NationStates Jolt Archive

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Argentina recognises Taiwan as an independant nation from the PRC and requests an Embassy be built for Argentina in Taipei

Despite growing relations between China and Spain, Spain recognizes Taiwan as an independent country, even if the United Nations won't. That said, Spain wishes to foster relations between the island and the peninsula.

The Republic of New Zealand recognizes Taiwan as an independent state as well, and wants to offer the hand of friendship from New Zealand to Taiwan.

We are glad that Taiwan can extend its political relations with countries around the world.

SIC: Seeing as Taiwan has not even officially declared independence from Beijing, France will continue to follow the One China Policy - although we would recognize Taiwan as a separate entity if they did declare independence [ooc: so long as they could maintain it from Beijing's wrath...]. Our businesses still appreciate the lucrative trade in Taipei still.

[ooc: to all who recognized Taiwan, you are acting two steps ahead of everyone else...Taiwan has not declared independence - ironically, both China and Taiwan claim to be the one China - it just happens that the UN recognizes Beijing's claim more than they do Taipei's claim. Recognizing Taiwan without them even declaring independence as a separate country from their original One China statement is definitely a blatant disregard from Beijing's authority and potentially a declaration of war on China...If anything, Taiwan needs to successfully declare independence from the One China policy and form the Republic of Taiwan [they are still called the Republic of China...compared the the People's Republic of China...] - and then you can recognize Taiwan... just realize still that China might retaliate faster and harder than you can imagine...]

(OOC: That is, if the China player wouldn't mind stopping by every so often...)

IC:

The United States would like to urge Taiwan to cease its continued provocation of the Chinese Government. Such actions only serve to intensify Chinese aggression towards Taiwan, and upset the Status Quo in the Straits which the United States would like to maintain. Provoking China by recognizing Taiwan as independent also only serves to increase tensions between China and Japan, which only a few years ago, went as far to suggest that Taiwan's standard of education was due to Japanese Imperial Occupation during WWII.

As the United States is a strong supporter of the One China Policy, we must urge that the other nations not recognize an island which has not yet even declared its own independence from China.

the problem with declaring our independance is that we arent entirely sure what China's responce would be.

the problem with declaring our independance is that we arent entirely sure what China's responce would be.

(OOC: Ummm, yes we are. By now, they've long since declared that they would attack the moment Taiwan tried such a thing.)

News 8, TNC

Earlier today, a protest in the streets outside of the Capitol raised some important questions. The protesters belive that Taiwan should declare independance from China, and not be "One China". The government has responded with only "The government is debating the issue in congress."

(OOC: Ummm, yes we are. By now, they've long since declared that they would attack the moment Taiwan tried such a thing.)
I belice you are talking about the IRL china, not the 21C china. We do doubt that their responce (IC) would be... good...

I belice you are talking about the IRL china, not the 21C china. We do doubt that their responce (IC) would be... good...

(OOC: I am. And Things AFTER Feb 8 This year are subject to change. Not things that happened before. Like China's declaration for instance...

Damn it, we need China to show up... Hell I'd take control of it NPC for a while just to make sure such a rising power isn't left lying around like this...)

[ooc: China might be angry that we allowed Taiwan to become a player state... :D]

[ooc: China might be angry that we allowed Taiwan to become a player state... :D]


(OOC: Lol, bring on the 700+ missiles China has aimed on that tiny patch of ground. I honestly believe that China has every inch of that nation sighted, lol.)

(OOC: Lol, bring on the 700+ missiles China has aimed on that tiny patch of ground. I honestly believe that China has every inch of that nation sighted, lol.)

[ooc: there's about 5000 missiles - about 250 of them tipped with semi-nuclear warheads - aimed at Taiwan, and most of them are located straight across the strait... :D]

[ooc: in truth, there are about 250 nuclear missiles aimed Taiwan; the rest of the missiles, I have no clue...]

[ooc: there's about 5000 missiles - about 250 of them tipped with semi-nuclear warheads - aimed at Taiwan, and most of them are located straight across the strait... :D]

[ooc: in truth, there are about 250 nuclear missiles aimed Taiwan; the rest of the missiles, I have no clue...]


(OOC: There goes my China credibility. *Watches as it flies out the 3rd story window.* 5,000...Huh...)

of course, you have spent the last 50 years building bigger and bigger bunkers and defensive positions, which is why the Chinese couldn't overrun you the last time the tried

of course, you have spent the last 50 years building bigger and bigger bunkers and defensive positions, which is why the Chinese couldn't overrun you the last time the tried


(OOC: Let's stop the clutter here. Though as my last statement, I don't put too much stock in static defenses.)

of course, you have spent the last 50 years building bigger and bigger bunkers and defensive positions, which is why the Chinese couldn't overrun you the last time the tried

[ooc: They never tried in a full scale military operation...]

The country has had its eyes on a nuclear electricity program for a while now, and has recently completed a trade deal for reactor-ready uranium. Taiwan had previously got supplies of ore from other countries (no this is not godmod, this is taking things that happened IRL as bg info for it) so we will be building refinment/enrichment plants for the ore to be turned into nuclear energy. We are using nuclear electricity in some cities with nuclear reactors already, and there are plans to build some within 3 years for the major cities. The enrichment/refinment plants for the ore we already have is underway, and should be constructed within three years. The reprocessing plant should too. We expect this to use up many of Taiwan's energy funds, but it will in the longterm decrease the pollution over Taiwan (its really bad) and the costs of running power plants.

OOC: To the best of my knowledge, these are reasonable timeframes. If they are not, please post and I will edit accordingly, but I couldn't find anything that said otherwise.

News Channel 5

This weather report has been brought to you by MacDawnleds. Now back to the news.

-News Continues-

Anchor: And now for a trafic update from the NNN

-Helecopter Flies over backed up traffic-

Well, Louise, as you can see here, traffic is very backed up here by the West ports of Taiwan. Apparently just a large amoun of traffic over here.

-Back to the news-

-Some annoying breaking news sign comes on and a weird song plays-

This is NNN, Taiwan's best news network.

From: Nilda Garre
To: Taipei
Re: Declaration of Independance
While Argentina congratulates Taiwan on this, we can not risk a war on the Superpowers China and Russia until other countries offer support

OOC: What the heck...

IC: Russia still does not recognize Taiwan.

OOC: What the heck...

IC: Russia still does not recognize Taiwan.


I wasnt expecting russia to recognise Taiwan lol

OOC: and what happened to piss off Taiwan enough to break away? Did a shipment of pot just arrive in Taiwan? "Peace and freedome man" lol

rofl.

We decided it was time to give up that claim as the one china becuase there wasnt a single nation who recognised Taiwan as the one china.

From: Nilda Garre
To: Taipei
Re: Declaration of Independance
While Argentina congratulates Taiwan on this, we can not risk a war on the Superpowers China and Russia until other countries offer support

OOC: ALMOST WORD FOR WORD my comment! :O LOL! *feels loved*

IC:

Prime Minster Alexander Andersong recognizes Taiwan, but feels that Taiwan may cease to exist any moment.

It will stay as long as Comunisticturkeyes is away :D

OOC: ALMOST WORD FOR WORD my comment! :O LOL! *feels loved*

IC:

Prime Minster Alexander Andersong recognizes Taiwan, but feels that Taiwan may cease to exist any moment.

Depends on when communistturkeys gets back and what he decides to do lol. Of course, when ge gets back (whenever that is) he'll get it as a great excuse to attack.

edit: who wants to guess why there was excess trafic by the west ports?

OOC: What if someone else replaces/takes over for him until he returns?

OOC: What if someone else replaces/takes over for him until he returns?

Always a concern... lets hope not.

A defense pact between the U.S. and Japan signed in 2005 also implies that Japan would be involved in any response to a PRC invasion.[22] In the event of an invasion, other U.S. allies, especially Australia, would also likely be expected to respond.[23]

So if the USA responded, about a million other countries would be forced to take their side?

OOC: Where you get that from? Though I doubt it would stand if it caused China to attack because they PROVOKED it. Foreign invasion...but Taiwan is not seperate of China at the time this was made.
Cross-posted.

lol so was that thing about it

The Taiwan government asks for all military support because of this event. It is likely that China will attack Taiwan because of this recent announcement. We belive we should be free, and hope other countries can help us achive this goal in the case of an attack from China.

[ooc: this is the perfect opportunity to declare independence...while China is asleep...]

(OOC: Wtf? No one recognized the One-China Policy anyway? How about the country that pledged to defend your butt when you go off and do something silly? The USA?!

Oh well, unless China does something (CT), I don't have much to worry about.)

IC:

The United States urges that Taiwan realize that the United States may not be capable of ensuring Taiwan's survival in the wake of your announcement.

We will attempt to ask the Japanese to assist, but at the same time we also urge that Taiwan retract its declaration of independence.

As a final note, America still does not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation.

[OOC: Here is a pdf that everyone in this argument should be interested in: http://www.brook.edu/views/articles/ohanlon/2000fall_IS.pdf There's another one but I can't find it.

Here are some other ones:
http://www.comw.org/pda/nolt99.pdf
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/57462.pdf
http://community.middlebury.edu/~scs/docs/Taiwan%20Strait%20II-The%20Risk%20of%20War-ICG%20Asia.pdf

(OOC: Wtf? No one recognized the One-China Policy anyway? How about the country that pledged to defend your butt when you go off and do something silly? The USA?!

Oh well, unless China does something (CT), I don't have much to worry about.)

IC:

The United States urges that Taiwan realize that the United States may not be capable of ensuring Taiwan's survival in the wake of your announcement.

We will attempt to ask the Japanese to assist, but at the same time we also urge that Taiwan retract its declaration of independence.

As a final note, America still does not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation.

[ooc: in truth, most countries in the world recognize Beijing as the true China... Taiwan may be justified in declaring independence, I'm astonishing that everyone is willing to throw away their economies for something that their nation wouldn't normally recognize...even so, I'd be very cautious now that you've done this, since Beijing has probably got their finger on the war button, even as they are sleeping now...]

The people of Japan urge those of the Republic of China to retract this declaration before this situation becomes critical. Should the People's Republic of China launch a strike against the Republic of China with the intent of occupying the territory and removing the current regime, Japan will assist in defending the Republic of China using whatever means are deemed acceptable (OOC: by Taiwan, not us). However, we recognize that, at the present juncture, we only have a limited capability to intervene, and might thus be incapable of staving off PRC aggression. Thus, we must once again uge the people of the Republic of China to retract this claim of independance, and save it for when the time is truly right for such measures.

The people of Japan urge those of the Republic of China to retract this declaration before this situation becomes critical. Should the People's Republic of China launch a strike against the Republic of China with the intent of occupying the territory and removing the current regime, Japan will assist in defending the Republic of China using whatever means are deemed acceptable (OOC: by Taiwan, not us). However, we recognize that, at the present juncture, we only have a limited capability to intervene, and might thus be incapable of staving off PRC aggression. Thus, we must once again uge the people of the Republic of China to retract this claim of independance, and save it for when the time is truly right for such measures.
Peoples Republic Of Taiwan, not Republic of China... why the hell its peoples and not the Republic of Taiwan idk

[ooc: this is the perfect opportunity to declare independence...while China is asleep...]

defintly :)

(OOC: Wtf? No one recognized the One-China Policy anyway? How about the country that pledged to defend your butt when you go off and do something silly? The USA?!

Oh well, unless China does something (CT), I don't have much to worry about.)

IC:

The United States urges that Taiwan realize that the United States may not be capable of ensuring Taiwan's survival in the wake of your announcement.

We will attempt to ask the Japanese to assist, but at the same time we also urge that Taiwan retract its declaration of independence.

As a final note, America still does not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation.


I thought I said that noone recognixed Taiwan as the one china, not that noone recognized the one china policy.

OOC: I wonder how long China is gunna be asleep for :D

Peoples Republic Of Taiwan, not Republic of China... why the hell its peoples and not the Republic of Taiwan idk

OOPS mispelling :D:D

(OOC: Wtf? No one recognized the One-China Policy anyway? How about the country that pledged to defend your butt when you go off and do something silly? The USA?!

Oh well, unless China does something (CT), I don't have much to worry about.)

IC:

The United States urges that Taiwan realize that the United States may not be capable of ensuring Taiwan's survival in the wake of your announcement.

We will attempt to ask the Japanese to assist, but at the same time we also urge that Taiwan retract its declaration of independence.

As a final note, America still does not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation.


OOC: how do you retract a declaration like that?

edit: that would kinda be like john kerry

Peoples Republic Of Taiwan, not Republic of China... why the hell its peoples and not the Republic of Taiwan idk

(OOC: I guess since he doesn't really recognize Taiwan's independence, he's going to use Taiwan's current official name, rather than what Taiwan wants to be called.

@TSRM: I'd go with your gut feeling... Heh.)

My gut feeling says keep it going.. besides, you cant just say "ok i take this back"

My gut feeling says keep it going.. besides, you cant just say "ok i take this back"

(OOC: Well, I take my previous comment back. (^_^) Go with your gut feeling, and keep in mind, you can say that.)

The Kingdom of Denmark intends to remain neutral in this conflict.

SIC to Taiwan:
We support your claim for independence, but fear that it may have serious consequences. We do not wish to be involved in this, as our assistance would be near worthless against China anyway. We will support you if a related matter arises in the EU (as we did with the weapons ban against China).

(OOC: Well, I take my previous comment back. (^_^) Go with your gut feeling, and keep in mind, you can say that.)
ooc" o ya, how does this sound "due to increased pressure from other countries, we have decided we didn't mean it"

:D

OOC: You can't just retract it, but you can have the old school regain power and declare it null and void. Taiwan has two competing ideologies. The original government was the Chinese government-in-exile forced out by the communists, and advocated retaking control of mainland China. A newer movement involves younger individuals and complete independance and improving the nation as its own country. As the old guard has died out over time, the younger crowd has gotten more powerful, but the forces clinging to both ideologies are still very capable.
China would almost certainly commence massive attacks, if not outright invade, if Taiwan declared independance. With the US and Japan incapable of providing full support at this time, it's not a good idea to make that call. It could be interesting, especially if we get a proper Chinese response, but I wouldn't be too keen on the likely outcome.

OOC: CSJ is right....but when will china be back?

OOC: CSJ is right....but when will china be back?

(OOC: Seconded. Where is he?)

ooc" o ya, how does this sound "due to increased pressure from other countries, we have decided we didn't mean it"

:D

[ooc: ouch...independence and de-independence...

I don't if China i s going to be angry or happy...

by declaring independence, you created two Chinas...

by revoking that independece, you assert that there is one Chinese authority, giving more room to China to press their claim on Taiwan, and just maybe enough legitimacy to send troops to maintain control...after all, if you say it and decide against, it suggests that Taiwan isn't willing to become separate...

wild and beyond belief, but it's possible...]

OOC: CSJ is right....but when will china be back?

[ooc: thirded...WE NEED CHINA! WE NEED CHINA!! WE NEED CHINA!!!]