NationStates Jolt Archive

(OOC: Since I'm supposed to be controlling the USA now... Though I'm not quite sure what else to say. Please, post away, and let's get this started.)

IC:

The US has embarked on a brave new program to continue to decrease the United State's dependence on foreign oil, building on the successful efforts in recent years to move a greater portion of the nation's power grid away from nonrenewable resources, and towards "greener" technologies, such as nuclear, wind, solar, and off shore wave generators.

More details to come.

Message to USA:
We invite the USA to help our ecconomy grow to that of a world super power. We have already invited the EU, Russia and China but Russia already turned it down. Please help us and end our status as a developing country.
SIC:
please impose ecconmic sanctions on Australia they are becoming more militaristic every day

SIC:

To: US Government
From: PM Lee and President S.R. Nathan, Singapore, HRH Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei, Straits League
Regarding: Armaments, Trade

The United States Government and the Governments of the Straits League (Singapore and Brunei) have long enjoyed a fruitful and productive relationship. After all, the US allowed us to field a capable Commando force, and has been a good trade partner.

Now, we propose to lower whatever very liberal trade barriers that are left and encourage American businesses to expand their investment in the League. We also would like to invest in American-made UAVs and fighter jets to provide for better security in the Straits of Malacca. For as you may or may not know, the Straits are vital to all when it comes to trading in East Asia.

We also would encourage you to ask the Australian Government to show some reason in its foreign policy. Quite frankly, many of our people--not just in government--are becoming somewhat wary of Australian moves into Africa and Australian economic expansion into South Asia and Vietnam.

SIC
Prime Minister Aramaki to Hillory Clinton

Australia wishes to purchase the retiring weapons from the USA, we wish to integrate our own technology with American power, no matter how old it may be. As naturally, your ally will pay for the military equipment.

[ooc: check out No Taxes old thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10412875)to get an idea of how people have issues with you...and be sure to check out the UN thread and the ALN thread, and, maybe every thread that you can...best of luck!]

To: United States
From: Saudi Arabia


Greetings. As we are the largest export customer of american weapons, we have to come to you about several things.

1. We wish to inquire if it is possible to apply the TUSK upgrade to our M1A2 tanks, and what the price for this upgrade would be.

2. With 2011 ever approaching, we wish to find out if we will be able to replace our F-15D's, and F-15C's with Joint Strike Fighters(JSF).

3. Our navy has decided to expand to a larger role in the persian gulf and red sea, protecting our oil intrests from aggressors. We wish to follow up on a 1995 Pentagon report that suggested we buy several AEGIS ships, including two Ticonderoga class Cruisers and four Arleigh burke class destroyers, for 6 billion USD as a naval upgrade. We also wish to inquire about smaller ships, mainly frigates.


(OOC- I got the AEGIS report linky if you want it.)

(OOC: One at a time now... If you've just posted, I'll get to you.

@Willink, that report would be helpful, thanks! And I have absolutely no idea as to a reasonable cost to that urban upgrade for the Abrams. I'd need to know how many MI's SA has, and the cost of the upgrade. I'll try to find it. And as a note, I don't intend to give AEGIS, though the rest of the requests I was going to allow.

@Naktan: Wooh, going to take a bit of time here. And thanks!)

IC:


To: India.
The United States has always considered India a close and reliable ally, as demonstrated by our nuclear accord in 2006. We pledge to continue to allow India access to US Civil Nuclear Technology, as well as continued permission to inspect US Civil nuclear facilities. Outsourcing in the civilian market to India has no doubt increased the base of skilled, technical labor in India, promoting a strong economy.

If increased support is desired, then we propose a meeting sometime in the near furture.


SIC to Singapore:
Australia has, and continues to be a strong ally of the United States. However we respect your concerns and will attempt to make agreements with the Australian Government.

Your interest in advanced US military hardware is noted, though we cannot present terms for a military transfer at this time.


SIC to Australia:
Australia's assistance in the global struggle against terrorism has not been forgotten, and you continued assistance is greatly appreciated.

In this light, we request that you present a reasonable list of requests, and we will consider.

The Republic of Italy is a level 2 partner in the JSF program and wishes to purchase a production license for the F-35 variants B and C.

OOC- Saudi Arabia operates 318 M1A2 Abrams
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=6985 - The link to TUSK article

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:8DikMni5hxUJ:www.fas.org/asmp/library/asm/asm30.htm+1995+Pentagon+report+AEGIS+to+Saudi+Arabia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

Report thingy

SIC:

Australia wishes to acquire 20 JSFs, 10 F-22's and 400 M1A2 Abrams.

The CBSS (Coalition of Black Seas States)
Would like to take this chance to point out the large amount of turmoil about to take place in the middle east http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472930
/ooc just a heads up, considering the US has some allies there

SIC to Singapore:
Australia has, and continues to be a strong ally of the United States. However we respect your concerns and will attempt to make agreements with the Australian Government.

Your interest in advanced US military hardware is noted, though we cannot present terms for a military transfer at this time.


SIC to USA:

For what reason have we been denied access to military equipment?

Also, we await a response to our trade question.

To:USA
From:Taiwan
Re:Allies

To improve the economic and political ties of Taiwan, we would like to allie the USA.

To Saudi Arabia:
We agree to the following:

-TUSK Upgrades ($30 Million.)
-JSF replacements. ($8.5 Billion.)
-Naval Upgrades. ($5 Billion. as your request for AEGIS vessels has been denied.)

Please be more specific about the Frigates.


SIC to Singapore:
Your request for US military hardware has not been denied. We only request a more detailed order.

Please specify what trade barriers you wish to be lowered.


SIC to Australia:
We request that the order of Abrams tanks be toned down to 100 before we make a final decision.

SIC: Australia resubmits the same order, with only 100 M1A2 Abrams in the final version.

Frigate wise, we wish to inquire about the US Navies current Frigate project

(OOC-Basically the Israeli Eilat Class with an EFOG missile system, armed with two Phalanx and two RAM launchers, and a forward Harpoon missile launcher, and a rear helipad, no link, im reading it out of Janes Magazine)

SIC to Singapore:
Your request for US military hardware has not been denied. We only request a more detailed order.

Please specify what trade barriers you wish to be lowered.


SIC to USA:

We request the following barriers to be lowered reciprocally (we'll lower them, can you?):

-Any sort of tariffs imposed on importation of goods between on our states.
-Barriers on allowing American automobiles and automotive parts to enter the Straits League nations.
-Barriers on American heavy industrial equipment, such as construction equipment, steel, etc., entering Singapore or Brunei.
-Barriers to outsourcing Investment for companies in both the Straits League nations and the US.

We also would like to request, if possible, the purchase of 100 Predator UAVs and 70 F-22 fighters to help provide the Republic of Singapore Air Force and the Royal Brunei Air Force with modern fighters and reconnaisance capacities. We also would like to inquire about purchasing a version of the Longbow Apache.

OOC: it is called the DD(X) it is due for 2011 and my fleet uses it (I'm FT but I never had the initiative to update it)
here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/dd-x.htm)

OOC: it is called the DD(X) it is due for 2011 and my fleet uses it (I'm FT but I never had the initiative to update it)

:Smackshead:, I know the DDX, im looking for the new frigate, not the destroyer

OOC: ND...that's over 2x your entire military budget! O.O

To:USA
From:Tailand
Re:Allies

To improve the economic and political ties of Taiwan, we would like to allie the USA.

[ooc: please stop refering to Taiwan as Tailand... that's not what it means...]

what the hell? i could have sworn i checked it. Sry. I was thinking about something else at the time.

The Republic of France requests solidarity against the Australian occupation of Somalia, in terms with the resolution condemning and endorsing sanctions against them, to persuade them to move out.

OOC:so the freedom class
Here (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=USS+Freedom+%28LCS-1%29&curtab=2222_1&linktext=USS%20Freedom)

SIC to USA:
We would like to buy ships from your ghost fleet:
USS Constellation (CV-64) ($300,000,000)
x2 knox class frigates ($75,000,000 each)
x2 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates ($100,000,000 each)
x2 Charles F. Adams class ($100,000,000 each)
x2 Spruance-class destroyer ($125,000,000 each)
sub total: $1,150,000,000 payed over 50 years with 10% intrest
intrest: $115,000,000
total: $1,265,000,000
cost per year: $25,300,000

The Republic of France requests solidarity against the Australian occupation of Somalia, in terms with the resolution condemning and endorsing sanctions against them, to persuade them to move out.

OOC: Did you not read the post saying that we would be finished mostly by 2016? >.>

SIC to Australia:
You request has been accepted, totaling around 10 billion dollars. However, please note that the Raptors we have sold to you are of inferior quality to US owned F-22s. Downgraded Avionics, and engines, along with a lower quality RAM have been delivered with your order. The JSF's delivered are also of the "A" variant. Please understand that while these measures may seem to be aimed solely at Australia, the US must still hold its military lead across the globe.

Also note that these will be the last sales the United States makes to Australia for the time being. We cannot continue to further the capabilities of a newly imperialistic power, despite your peaceful intentions.


SIC to Singapore:
The trade terms are acceptable, however, delivery of the F-22's is not, as well as your inquiry into acquiring Longbow Apaches. Your request for 100 Predator UAV's has been accepted, though you should note that these variants are not capable of firing Hellfire missiles as US versions are.


SIC to France:
Though we will not risk provoking such an obviously militaristic, imperialist, and easily offended nation, rest assured that measures are being instituted, and the matter is a great concern.


To Taiwan:
The United States remains a strong supporter of the One China Policy, and we will not accept your request.


SIC to India:
While all of your request, excluding the order for CV-64, is acceptable, we hope that there is more that the US can offer other than military hardware...



(OOC: I'm starting to wonder just how secret these things can stay, when suddenly everyone starts getting US equipment...)

OOC: Did you not read the post saying that we would be finished mostly by 2016? >.>

[ooc: where is it?]

OOC: Price should be like $2.5 bil tops. Not $10 bil.

OOC- Saudi arabia is the largest export customer of the US

IC: Since our Aegis inquiry was denied, we would like to see if it would be possible to buy the four Kid class destroyers that are currently for sale(IRL at least).

We also wish to enquire about when our Joint Strike Fighters shall be produced(Production wise, i need about 150, and 30 Navalized versions)

(Also, what about the frigates ? For 5 billion i could buy about 20, but i just want 6-8)

SIC to Singapore:
The trade terms are acceptable, however, delivery of the F-22's is not, as well as your inquiry into acquiring Longbow Apaches. Your request for 100 Predator UAV's has been accepted, though you should note that these variants are not capable of firing Hellfire missiles as US versions are.


Secret IC to US:

Very well. We accept the trade deal and the Predators. But what of purchasing a downgraded version of the JSF?

[ooc: where is it?]

Main OOC thread....x-X I dunno... we planning to pull out at earliest in 2016.

As part of the US's attempt to wean the public off of its dependence on oil, renewed tax deductions of $5,000 for owners of hybrid vehicles, similar to the $2,000 deductions expired in 2007, have been introduced. However, hybrid vehicles are only a stepping stone. The government is currently working with the major oil companies to slowly transition from delivering oil, to delivering hydrogen, for a new hydrogen based infrastructure.

NASA's program to develop newer space shuttles has been shelved, in favor of working with private companies to develop a new competition for creating a newer space vehicle to complement NASA's CEV currently in service. Such a program promises to yield a safer, cheaper, and more productive space vehicle than can be achieved through the conventional design process. The program has been dubbed the "X-Prize III"

While Private companies develop the new shuttle, NASA has been given an initiative to reach Mars by the year 2025.

Also, despite past announcements hinting at the militarization of space, the United States would like to announce that these plans have been abandoned, in favor of increased global cooperation in the great adventure that is manned space flight.


(OOC: Honestly, Asbena, the F-22's and JSF's alone cost more than that.)

JSF's 30 mil each, F-22's 100 mil each, Abrams 4 mil each. Where's the problem?

OOC- Saudi arabia is the largest export customer of the US

IC: Since our Aegis inquiry was denied, we would like to see if it would be possible to buy the four Kid class destroyers that are currently for sale(IRL at least).

We also wish to enquire about when our Joint Strike Fighters shall be produced(Production wise, i need about 150, and 30 Navalized versions)

(Also, what about the frigates ? For 5 billion i could buy about 20, but i just want 6-8)


(OOC: I tried to look up how many F-16's and F-15's were in service, and then calculate the cost of the replacing all of them with F-35's. Was that acceptable? I'll change the thing if it isn't. I though the 5 billion was the whole order? I'm going to admit right now that the Navy, and exact figures on modern US hardware is not my strong suit. No where near... This whole selling spree is a learning experience for me right now. Are the Kidd's about 25 mill?)

IC:

To Saudi Arabia:
The first JSFs are estimated to arrive in about 1-2 years as our own service's needs must be filled as well. The rest of the order from the first plane is estimated to finish in about 1-2 years as well.


SIC to Singapore:
Once again, a more specific order is requested.


(OOC: You see Asbena, I used 184 million for the Raptors, 5 Million for the Abrams, and 45 million for the JSF's. That's the problem I'm guessing.)

OOC: DoD said $100M currently for the production of the f-22 so that's 1 bil. Even 5 mil per abrams is 1.5 bil total. and even $50 for the JSF is $2 billion total. Even if you charge an extra .5 billion for export charge. $2.5 Billion is being GENEROUS.

OOC: DoD said $100M currently for the production of the f-22 so that's 1 bil. Even 5 mil per abrams is 1.5 bil total. and even $50 for the JSF is $2 billion total. Even if you charge an extra .5 billion for export charge. $2.5 Billion is being GENEROUS.

(OOC: With those numbers, try $4.5 billion. That's what I'm editing it to, and I'm not budging from that number. Call me an ass tomorrow if you want, I don't care. (When have I ever? Lol.))

Average unit flyaway cost includes the costs associated with procuring one aircraft, including the airframe, engines, avionics, other mission equipment, and certain nonrecurring production costs. It does not include “sunk” costs for development and test and other costs to the whole system, including logistical support and construction. The average unit flyaway cost for the F/A-22 in 2003 was about $178 million, while the unit flyaway costs for future annual buys were projected before the budget decision to decrease to $127 million, $111 million, and $108 million in fiscal years 2007, 2008, and 2009 respectively [that is to say, roughly double the unit flyaway costs of the single engine F-35]. With the program will be truncated in 2008, the less expensive aircraft in 2009 and beyond will not be bought and unit costs are projected at $135 million in 2007 and $149 million in 2008 (increases associated with close-out of production).

OOC: I'll give you THAT number and raise it to $3 Bil. Happy? Edit: Clarification, pick a number besides the 2003 cost...and there you have 3 bil for 10 F-22, 20 JSF, 100 A1A2s

The Republic of Italy is a level 2 partner in the JSF program and wishes to purchase a production license for the F-35 variants B and C.

To Italy:
Your request is accepted, and greatly appreciated, however, the requested production rights cannot be granted at this time.

SIC:
That is acceptable but we would like to inquire as to why the CV was denied as is is mothballed and a out of date version.

OOC: I'll give you THAT number and raise it to $3 Bil. Happy?

(OOC: $4.5 billion. Hey, it may cost the US that much to make the things, but we've got to make a dollar here and there...)

OOC: Fine...

IC: Australia settles for $4.5 Billion for the order.

To the government of the United States -
We wish to purchase four F-35As for trials purposes, and will pay $180 million US for this purchase. We have remained a steady ally of yours since 1945, and hope to continue our strong relationship with you. If there is anything else you request of us, please feel free to respond.
Sincerely,
HM King Phumiphon Adunyadet of Thailand
PM Thaksin Chinnawat of Thailand

SIC:
That is acceptable but we would like to inquire as to why the CV was denied as is is mothballed and a out of date version.

SIC to India:
Despite the fact that it is indeed an outdated piece of hardware by US standards, by the standards of the next greatest military power in the region (China, who's good side we are urgently trying to get on.) the addition of another carrier in the Indian fleet upsets the balance of power in the region, and antagonises our Chinese "friends".

(OOC: $4.5 billion. Hey, it may cost the US that much to make the things, but we've got to make a dollar here and there...)

[ooc: I'm surprised that the USA is willing to sell relatively new equipment to Australia, let alone to any state...]

[ooc: I'm surprised that the USA is willing to sell relatively new equipment to Australia, let alone to any state...]

(OOC: It is relatively new. New, yet downgraded considerably. (Something like what the F-2 is compared to a full fledged F-16.) I recognize that Australia needs to be kept in check. But just not the way everyone else in the world seems to want to do it (Military threats, ultimatums, etc.) Those acts only fuel the fire. The best way is to make the Australians think that they're getting what they want...

About the rest of the sales to others, the world isn't getting exactly what they're asking for either...)

[ooc: I'm surprised that the USA is willing to sell relatively new equipment to Australia, let alone to any state...]

F-22 is closing production in 2009 I thought. The JSF will be new, but since we were in on the project (I think we are) and its a cookie-cutter type aircraft, its cheap and exportable!

OOC: they dont make F-16s for the air force anymore only for export
SIC to USA:
((I would buy a Iowa but the operationg sosts are to high))
china is segnificantly more powerful then us in terms of technology they could destroy us we do not see how another carrier would upset that, and even without the carreir another one is due for early next year and it wouldn't matter anyway. We just need to augment our navy against the growing threat that australia poses on the free nations of south East asia.

OOC: they dont make F-16s for the air force anymore only for export
SIC to USA:
((I would buy a Iowa but the operationg sosts are to high))
china is segnificantly more powerful then us in terms of technology they could destroy us we do not see how another carrier would upset that, and even without the carreir another one is due for early next year and it wouldn't matter anyway. We just need to augment our navy against the growing threat that australia poses on the free nations of south East asia.

SIC to India:
These things you have listed reflect exactly why we must deny the sale of the carrier, and expose that confidence in the US's ability to defend India is very low. We will hold the carrier on reserve for India for the time being, while additional measures are taken to contain Australia. Should these measures fail however, you will have your carrier.

(OOC: Was that F-16 bit towards me? I know.)

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OOC- When built, about 40 mill, but since they have been decommisioned and are offered for sale i bet it would be considerably less than that.

OOC- When built, about 40 mill, but since they have been decommisioned and are offered for sale i bet it would be considerably less than that.

(OOC: I put it at a little more than half that. Though I'm guessing it can be reduced further? $20 Million?)

(OOC: I put it at a little more than half that. Though I'm guessing it can be reduced further? $20 Million?)

OOC-Yeah around that range is what im guessing, i could go look it up if you wanted though.

OOC-Yeah around that range is what im guessing, i could go look it up if you wanted though.

(OOC: Well, actually, I looked it up myself, and found 25 Million for operating costs only. I kind just rounded that down a bit... I'm putting it at 22 Million.)

(OOC: Well, actually, I looked it up myself, and found 25 Million for operating costs only. I kind just rounded that down a bit... I'm putting it at 22 Million.)

OOC- OK, consider the deal done, my navy will probably just update the computers and radar equipment a bit.

OOC- OK, consider the deal done, my navy will probably just update the computers and radar equipment a bit.

(OOC: Great. Hopefully other nations may now start to look to the US for things other than more military hardware...)

(OOC: Great. Hopefully other nations may now start to look to the US for things other than more military hardware...)

[ooc: France sought tacit support on the Somalia issue...]

[ooc: France sought tacit support on the Somalia issue...]

(OOC: Noted. I'll get something up. It's just that I have to get my mind away from the RL Australia, and focus more on the stupid things it's doing in this World...)

IC:

In response to the increasingly belligerent attitude of the Australian Government, and their apparent refusal to accept the consequences of their actions, along with a seemingly out of touch leadership bent on altering the peaceful country into a global super power, the US has announced its support for actions against Australia, from condemnation of its actions in Somalia, to economic and military sanctions against this threat to world stability.

(OOC: Noted. I'll get something up. It's just that I have to get my mind away from the RL Australia, and focus more on the stupid things it's doing in this World...)

IC:

In response to the increasingly belligerent attitude of the Australian Government, and their apparent refusal to accept the consequences of their actions, along with a seemingly out of touch leadership bent on altering the peaceful country into a global super power, the US has announced its support for actions against Australia, from condemnation of its actions in Somalia, to economic and military sanctions against this threat to world stability.

[ooc: whoa...so much for tacit, but the extra support is welcome :D]

[ooc: and if it may please the USA, the EU just voted down a proposal to lift the weapons ban on China...]

[ooc: whoa...so much for tacit, but the extra support is welcome :D]

(OOC: Heh, time to get hard lining on Assbena.

EDIT: Regarding that voite, that is a good thing...)

(OOC: Heh, time to get hard lining on Assbena.

EDIT: Regarding that voite, that is a good thing...)

[ooc: i said if it may please the USA...]

[ooc: i said if it may please the USA...]

(OOC: This is the problem with text only... Yes, I was kind of agreeing with you, and stuff...)

To the government of the United States -
We wish to purchase four F-35As for trials purposes, and will pay $180 million US for this purchase. We have remained a steady ally of yours since 1945, and hope to continue our strong relationship with you. If there is anything else you request of us, please feel free to respond.
Sincerely,
HM King Phumiphon Adunyadet of Thailand
PM Thaksin Chinnawat of Thailand

To Thailand:
Your request is approved, though please note, that like all recently exported US hardware, these JSF's have been severely downgraded.


To Australia:
Due to recent Government actions, we regret to inform you that your order has been cancelled. None of your transferred $4.5 Billion will be accepted.

From: Copenhagen, Denmark
To: Washington D.C., United States

Denmark would like to discuss the closure of the US base in Thule, in the north of Greenland. We find that:
1) It is no longer necessary, as its function was to serve as a warning base against the soviet union, which no longer exists.
2) It is a waste of precious oil and gas resources, which we feel that it is necessary to reduce.
3) We feel that an act of demilitirization by the USA in a environment where a military is not needed (or even wanted by neither the Danish nor the Greenlandic population) would be a good example for other nations to follow (namely: Australia).

We await your reply.

Signed, PM Jacob Andersen and Margrethe II, Queen of Denmark

Australia wishes to know when the embargo will be lifted.

(OOC: I'll get to Denmark after some light research.)

IC:

To Australia:
We wish to notify Australia that its actions in Somalia, though done without permission, have been helpful towards creating a stable state in an unstable region, and these efforts are appreciated.

The all encompassing embargo stems from Australia's refusal to cooperate with the other nations of the world to begin removing Australian troops from the region, and a lack of a clearly announced timetable for the removal of Australian troops.

The embargo will be lifted once Australia accepts that the United States will continue Australia's current stabilization efforts with international support, and Australian troops leave the region immediately. (Before your announced time table of initial troop reductions in 2016.)

OOC: America would commit to a $5+ trillion operation like that? Our troops are being gained only for this Dome of the Rock incident to 40,000 in 2011. Though we have more Australian ran businesses and operations in Somalia. Holding an army in Somalia is costing us over $500 billion a year.

Edited: Billion to trillion

(OOC: Buddy, we're not in Iraq or Afghanistan anymore, thanks to No Taxes, and our troop deployments abroad have been on the decline. We've got the freakin money, resources, and available forces to do it. Plus, we're not going alone, mind you. I've said that already.)

(OOC: Buddy, we're not in Iraq or Afghanistan anymore, thanks to No Taxes, and our troop deployments abroad have been on the decline. We've got the freakin money, resources, and available forces to do it. Plus, we're not going alone, mind you. I've said that already.)

OOC: Fine...by 2012. Though this means you'll end up paying 2-3x more then all of Iraq, unless you want Australia to pay for reconstruction (as we actually do have business with Somalia pre-war).

(OOC: You talk to me IC'ly about that, and I think we can work something out.)

Australia inquires about their interests in Somalia if they are to replace Australian troops before 2016.

The current news...

The X-Prize III program has finally gone underway, with a previous announcement last month of the competition's imminent arrival already generating activity at a fever pitch.

Virgin Galactic, a US based Space Tourism Agency has announced its own plans to potentially utilize one of its own commercial space planes as a base for a modified version as the new space shuttle.
Virgin Galactic's website can be found here: http://www.virgingalactic.com/en/default.asp


Meanwhile, in the military, the Air Force has announced plans to begin testing a solid state laser weapon to be used onboard US JSF's. The first tests of the prototype weapon are slated for 2020. The Army is also pleased to announce that the first milestone in its total force conversion program, Future Combat Systems, has been reached with the introduction of the new Advanced Warfighter equipment. The full information is available in the Army's own website: http://www.army.mil/fcs/.


In the Civilian sector, Fusion research continues to make strong strides, and the first operational reactor is expected to begin operation sometime in 2075, though critics continue to label the date a hopeless dream. The Conversion to a hydrogen economy is still underway, as the Tax incentives announced by the Government last year now go into effect. The Tax incentive goes to all owners of hybrid vehicles for a deduction of $3,000.


Also, the Gaming Giant EA Games has announced its plans to finally introduce Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3...


*Flicker off.*

About the rest of the sales to others, the world isn't getting exactly what they're asking for either...)

OOC: No really. :D I need a reply to my order.

And the USA would be happy to know this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10580909&postcount=27).

OOC: GD it ND...read the threads. BTW! You have NO KNOWLEDGE OF Vietnam and Bangladesh being connected to Australia! Stop using OOC knowledge ICly. BTW nothing has been done on their threads. (Burn)

OOC: GD it ND...read the threads. BTW! You have NO KNOWLEDGE OF Vietnam and Bangladesh being connected to Australia! Stop using OOC knowledge ICly. BTW nothing has been done on their threads. (Burn)

OOC: Settle down....stop screaming....as it is, I've deleted the references to Vietnam and Bangladesh.

[SIC to the USA: Australia's current proposals for their withdrawal from Somalia are unacceptable by France's standards. While the intentions are certainly warm and meaningful, their implement begs for abomination. We encourage the USA to review this and make their decision about, seeing as France is unwilling to work with this kind of reform, especially since they make no mention of military and political withdrawal from Somalia.]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581625

[ooc: regardless if you agree with me or not, you really should be monitoring this...]

OOC:Naktan read the damn thing that I continued in the report...I'll add more later to it, but you have to read the whole thing.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581457#post10581457

OOC:Naktan read the damn thing that I continued in the report...I'll add more later to it, but you have to read the whole thing.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581457#post10581457

[ooc: we disagree with the first parts, and we furthermore disagree with much of the latter part...]

OOC:Naktan read the damn thing that I continued in the report...I'll add more later to it, but you have to read the whole thing.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581457#post10581457

(OOC: Asbena, FFS, please stop being an ass in my thread. I will not accept anyone else but me making "GD", "Damn", "Moron", etc statements in here. Here, you be nice, and let the people say what ever the frak they want! (Within reason.)

TBH, you make it seem like your the God and savior of Somalia. Do you not understand that the people there in RL DON'T WANT DEMOACRACY OR ANYONE'S HELP?! They are not people to be won over. The only thing they respect is themselves, the commanders, and victory. OVER nations like yours... Why the hell do you think that even after all that UN assistance in the 90's the people STILL REVOLTED, and warlords STILL FOUGHT AGAINST THE WORLD?! Its the same reasons why in RL, in IRAQ, there's still an insurgency. I'm just not happy with how your actions continually demonstrate your complete lack of grasp on reality.

Finally, you wasted most of your time posting all that stuff as I've already said that I'm making the US take the reigns from here. Just LEAVE, and I GUARENTEE, that the rest of the world WILL BE OFF YOUR BACK.)

IC:
The current proposal of Australia for their planned actions before they pull out of Somalia is unacceptable. These measures force Somalia to be nearly completely dependant on Australia even long after Australian troops have left. International investment, and Internal Growth, not Australian business, are what Somalia needs to return to its feet.

The Government's official position is that has proven completely incapable in rebuilding Governments while the United States has had much experience in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, and Japan. Take it from us. We know how to rebuild a nation.

We request that the Australian Government limit the level of involvement Australian business has in the reconstruction of Somalia.

France sends an invitation to the USA to vote the current resolutions on the UN floor...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10582162

France sends an invitation to the USA to vote the current resolutions on the UN floor...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10582162


(OOC: I think I already did.)

(OOC: Previous announcement to Australia modified.)

OOC: DoD said $100M currently for the production of the f-22 so that's 1 bil. Even 5 mil per abrams is 1.5 bil total. and even $50 for the JSF is $2 billion total. Even if you charge an extra .5 billion for export charge. $2.5 Billion is being GENEROUS.
OOC: Actually Asbena, for the record, the M1A2 costs over $6 million for the US military, and most nations are paying more like $10 million a pop (Australia payed $423 million just for 59 used M1A1s). That's $3 billion just for the tanks. The F-22, you'd probably be paying about $150 million or more for exports at such low numbers (also need some associated support), so $1.5 billion. Probably $2.5-3 billion for the JSFs. That makes $7-7.5 billion. Things tend to be a bit different in actual sales, and listed prices are often for domestic use, rather than export, which is usally more expensive.


More OOC: most of these are things the US already has or at least has considered selling to Japan. I'm also modeling these offers after previous sales to try and make them as realistic as possible. Of particular note is licensed production. Japan is very nasty about imports, and you practically have to give that to even sell to them. But, they have the money to spare, and are nice customers who control a decent chunk of your debt ;)
Also, unlike certain nations such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE, they don't get downgraded equipment. Firstly because they wouldn't stand for it, and secondly because they're a stable ally.


IC:
In light of the recently expanded peacekeeping role Japan has found, we have generated an urgent requirement to acquire several systems from the United States. We know many of these are sensitive, but expect that there will be little issue due to previous overtures.
The Air Self Defense Force is looking into the possible purchase of F/A-22A Raptor fighters to provide the role of front line fighter throughout the remainder of the first half of the 21st Century. Our total requirements would be for as many as 250 aircraft over the next 9 years. Our request would entail delivery of 82 aircraft from the US over the next two years, at a cost of $11 billion, with the remainder to be assembled in Japan under license*.
To accommodate this deal, we have agreed to drop the current P-X and C-X projects for US equipment. For the P-X, we are interested in acquiring up to 112 aircraft, with the first 35 delivered by the US from 2013-2015 under a $4 billion contract**, and the remainder assembled locally. For the C-X, we would eventually wish to acquire the ATT when it becomes available***, but in the interim, we would wish to acquire 18 C-17A, 24 C-130J-30, and 20 C-130J aircraft, with our 10 C-130H units upgrade to "J" standard. All of this will be delivered by US companies over the next 4 years for a total contract price of $6.5 billion, though we wish to retain rights to produce the C-130J and J-30 aircraft in the advent of renewed requirements.
The Air Self Defense Force, while late, has also agreed to pledge $2 billion to the JSF program for Tier II status. Requirements are for as many as 400 aircraft to be delivered by 2025, primarily under licensed construction.
On the final note, increasing surveillance requirements have prompted that we look into additional AWACS aircraft. The current E-2C Hawkeye 2000 and E-767 have served us well, but are far too few in number. Japan would requrest 12 new E-2D aircraft and an upgrade of our existing fleet to that standard over the next 6 years, for a total of $4 billion. Additionally, 8 more E-767 aircraft are required, at a cost of $4 billion more.
The total commitments of the JASDF are for approximately $34 billion in guarnteed contracts over the next nine years, along with approximately $14 billion more in associated contracts should all options be exercised.

The Maritime Self Defense Force, owing to increased demands for coverage due to our alliances in Southeast Asia, are looking for additional AEGIS and related systems for a final two Kongo class destroyers, and 8 more DDG-X destroyers. As these would also assist in relieving the missile defense burden on the US, we expect that there will be little opposition to this****.




In an only marginally related issue, Toshiba has, with the pending success of the Galena Nuclear Power Plant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant), opted to join with additional contractors to develop a larger, 150 MW counterpart. If the US would help finance the construction and testing of this plant, we could have it fully accredited by 2017, after which, these and the Toshiba 4S could become the core of the US power grid, providing cheaper, safer power than any other form, while also being able to harvest hydrogen for fuel cell application. We estimate high public approval for these two units, and they certainly fit in perfectly with likely long-term plans for your nation.


OOC:
*Many of the components for contracted aircraft, particularly the more sensitive ones, would be produced in the US and shipped to Japan for assembly, but final assembly would be local to keep imports to a minimum

**That 35 units makes a 33% increase in aircraft built in the US. The US military would practically beg for that contract just to cut costs. I also said starting 2013 because that's the planned IOC year, which is a bit after full rate production.

***I suspect it won't be around until at least 2020, probably 2025. But it will be a nice plane, and perfect for my requirements

****Japan and the US have a joint missile defense system that Japan plays a major part in, both in terms of cost and role. Japanese air defense destroyers are to be SM-3 equipped and will be the first line of defense against ballistic missiles for both nations. Japan will also operate PAC-3 and possibly THAAD as well.

OOC:
Kyanges...thank you. We know. Just need Naktan to say it passes.

CSJ...we wanted 100 tanks. So even $1 bil by that is acceptable. $1.5 Bil for 10 f-22's and 20 JSF's at $50 mil per pop (for another bil). That's $2.5 Bil, though Kyanges got his money, for it.

Oh Kyanges is America still working on the Fusion reactor?

OOC: Ive deleted my previous order and just going with this one

IC: Italy would also like the schematics and production licences for the F-4 Phantom, since this is a near obsolete aircraft we hope this would be possible.
We would also like to enquire of the cost of the AGM-65 Maverick Air to Ground missile and of the AGM-88 HARM.

(OOC: @CSJ, I sense that you're either trying to be helpful and let me know somethings, or you're somewhat worried that I might not be very realistic in how I respond to your requests, and then downgrade all of it, or something to that effect.

Should it be the former, thanks a bunch. Your knowledge of hard facts on these things is invaluable.
Should it be the latter, though I don't know many hard facts, I know enough to know (That's awkward...) that Japan would get pretty much what it asks for, because, as you've said, Japan is a stable ally. Plus, with China...

Just remembered, thanks for reminding me about the ATT. I really didn't know whatever happened to that program.)

IC:

To Japan:
Simply put, your requests, including funding of the nuclear power plant, are accepted, although your your request for at least 400 JSFs by 2025 will have to be pushed back slightly to 2027. We hope that this is acceptable.

The US is somewhat concerned with just what affect additional missile defense related transfers will have on our relations with China, though we will attempt to negotiate the delivery of the additional AEGIS technology for your Kongo Vessels, while we both continue to develop the "anti missile shield".


(OOC: @Spizania: Honestly, I forgot, and I'm sorry. I will respond to your original post anyway. Considering how much Italy is contributing to the JSF project, it just doesn't make much sense to start asking for F-4s to me.)

IC:

SIC to Italy:
Your request is approved.


(OOC: Asbena, yes, and we will have a working reactor in 2050. In working, I mean a part of the US power Grid, fully operational. Plus, please don't try and dispute much with CSJ. Most of the time, if he says something costs a certain amount, it does. Plus, I still remembered he helped me some with my MT storefront a while back. Remember that one? Ahh, business was good...)


-News announcement:
(Condensed form.)

-New Space Shuttle is 2 years from operation.
-CnC: RA3 released to critical acclaim.
-ATT is still under development, competition seems to be shifted towards Boeing's design.
-Advanced warfighter gear is still being deployed, to the 3,000 soldiers expected to be equipped with this gear.
-Development of prototype Exoskeletal suits is continuing along at a steady pace, expected trial combat deployment in limited numbers (around 200 units.) of "Lifters" (Leg only enhancements.) is expected in 2020
-Fusion reactor development continuing. The expected operational date has now been pushed up to 2050.

[ooc: is the USA aware of Italy's forceful acquisition of Tunisia?]

[ooc: is the USA aware of Italy's forceful acquisition of Tunisia?]

(OOC: Haven't really read up on that... Is there a condensed version of the events somewhere?)

(OOC: Haven't really read up on that... Is there a condensed version of the events somewhere?)

[ooc: look on the NATO and UN sites...they're tentative but for certain, you'll want to get up on that stuff...]

OOC: He said 3 bil for tanks at 10 mil a pop. I could only get 100...so unless they cost $30M each...the math is off. That's my point.

OOC: The main troubling events have been the following:
Spain is invading Morocco
Italy invaded Tunisia
Israel's getting some flak for moving the DotR (I would not be surprised to see another Yom Kippur War in the near future). Several countries are supporting them though, and this could really flare up.
Australia invaded and occupied Somalia, and had confrontations with some other nations


And most worrying of all: China's not doing much of anything.
This is certainly scaring anyone near them do death :p


And yes, I was trying to be helpful. There's a lot going on right now, and there's just way too much to dig into for the US, even for those of us who live here.
As for the ATT, last I heard they didn't even intend to start implementing it until at least 2011 (it's now AMC-X btw). I wouldn't expect to see an IOC date much earlier than 2025. The C-X/KC-X/NSA/GRA program(s), however, probably won't result in operational aircraft prior to 2030, so it's closer to relization than some. Japan has a vested interest in both of these. We need tankers, and especially need good cargo aircraft that can operate off short and/or rough landing strips.


IC:
We are also somewhat worried about what the Chinese response might be to some of our acquisitions and operations. However, they will be necessary for meeting future goals and ensuring peace and stability throughout the region. And as these remain defensive forces, there is little basis for any objection.

For the F-35 units, we do not find such a delay to be too problematic, though it will require some revision to long-term plans.

OOC: The main troubling events have been the following:
Spain is invading Morocco

[ooc: where's that thread? I NEED TO SEE THIS...]

[OOC: Not yet, I'm still waiting for an answer to that ultimatum :P]

OOC: Was that my order for the 280 F-35/Cs and the 48 F-35/Cs?
Well id like the blueprints and production rights for the F-4 aswell then

OOC: Was that my order for the 280 F-35/Cs and the 48 F-35/Cs?
Well id like the blueprints and production rights for the F-4 aswell then

(OOC: All encompassing, "Yes.")

OOC: Sorry to keep posting in the thread, but I buy the AGM-65 Maverick to go with my new upgraded F-4s and JSFs?

(OOC: No problem. That's what this thread is here for.

I thought I was answering yes to that too. Just keep in mind baring the F-4's, I'm sending you downgraded equipment.)

OOC: I plan on upgrading them again anyway, im turning them into new Ground Attack and backup air-superiority fighters to assist my eurofighters. Im slamming a new engine in them and everything. I can add you as a project partner if you want

OOC: I plan on upgrading them again anyway, im turning them into new Ground Attack and backup air-superiority fighters to assist my eurofighters. Im slamming a new engine in them and everything. I can add you as a project partner if you want

(OOC: That'd be nice. Just forgot to add though, the JSF's won't be ready until 2030.)

SIC:
"Australia would like to purchase the production rights to the F-14 Tomcat. Would the USA consider selling them for $500 million?" ~Alexander Andersong.

(OOC: To continue on with NT's little thing...)

IC:

President Clinton's State of the Union Address:

“This country continues to be on the forefront of inovation and development in the world. Many of the technologies I have set as golas for this nation are fast approaching the day they will make the lives of Americans better. No other country is as far along the development process for hydrogen cars, nuclear fusion, and space research as the United States, and that is a fact I am proud to announce. I have further increased the budget of alternative power sources, such as wind, fusion, and solar power, along with many lesser known technologies, such as extracting methane from our nation's once useless landfills, and the vast power generation potential of bacteria. As my predessesor once said, America is addicted to oil, and it is time to end that addiction now.

This nation has also continues to wield the most powerful military force this planet has ever witnessed, and our forces are working hard to maintain our lead. Just last week, I was informed of a new military project to bring into being exoskeletal suits to increase the strength of our soldiers, laser weapons into the hands of our troops, and the arrival of a better, faster, global network of communications and information that will allow our forces to coordinate with precision better than any other military force on the planet.

On the home front, national debt continues to wither as our economy grows more powerful everyday. Education has improved across the areas which America has needed it most: Science, and Mathematics. For the first time in years, the amount of students applying for studies Engineering, and many scientific fields in both the heavens and on Earth, from geology, to astronomy has increased, dispelling worries that America will lose its position to the rising Asia, and Europe.

In space, with an increased budget, and a full shakeup of its old administration, NASA plans to return to the moon within the decade, and finally set off on a trip to MArs in the next. The planting of the first American flag on Mars is expected before 2040. A new space shuttle has come into service, and working in concert with NASA's existing CEV, we continue our march into the stars with more reliable, and safer platforms than ever before. And as the United States prepares to help nations such as Poland embark on their own missions into space, America continues to lead the world in exploring the heavens.

Around the world, nations such as Australia, which shocked the world with its stunning invasion of Somalia, has finally listened to reason, and has pulled out of the area, restoring hopes that Australia will remain a close ally. Japan, a close ally, has helped to defend American interests in the SE Asian region. Though the Middle East continues to be a hotbed of political, and military conflict, close to nothing there will affect America directly as we and our allies have moved ever farther from our need for oil.

The United States remains the most powerful nation on the planet, and as we march proudly on into the new century, the state of our Union is Strong.

Bump...Tomcats?

Bump...Tomcats?

SIC to Aussies:
Just so long as you follow the United State's lead when we need you to, and we can work out almost anything that you want. Are we clear?

We'll consider it for the time being.


(OOC: Attribute this to some super, duper, uber secret black world secret agent dude. HE said it. Lol.)

SIC:

"We understand and know."

Australia wishes to acquire 20 JSFs, 10 F-22's and 100 M1A2 Abrams for $4.5 Billion.

(OOC: Could've sworm I'd already posted this, but...)

Fellow Nations of the World:
As I am sure you know, The Republic of Peru has come under attack by guerilla fighters bent on destroying democracy in our nation. These terrorists... blah... blah.. blah.
President Garcia

(OOC: To lazy to actually write a speech, but basically asking the UN to send troops to help root out the guerillas - or at least the US.

NOTE: I used terrorists and democracy in the same sentance - that means the US HAS to help:) :) :) )

(OOC: Could've sworm I'd already posted this, but...)

Fellow Nations of the World:
As I am sure you know, The Republic of Peru has come under attack by guerilla fighters bent on destroying democracy in our nation. These terrorists... blah... blah.. blah.
President Garcia

(OOC: To lazy to actually write a speech, but basically asking the UN to send troops to help root out the guerillas - or at least the US.

NOTE: I used terrorists and democracy in the same sentance - that means the US HAS to help:) :) :) )

SIC to Peru:
Troops will be deployed to your nation. Rest assured, America will assist.
In 1 week, we will deploy Delta Force to your nation, and attempt to work with your military command to end the terrorist threat. Democracy must be upheld.


(OOC: Yeah, that's some cheesy line from some movie...But yeah, I'm using it!)

OOC: What about our reposted order? :o

OOC: What about our reposted order? :o

(OOC: Is Australian business out of Somalia too?)

SIC to Peru:
Troops will be deployed to your nation. Rest assured, America will assist.
In 1 week, we will deploy Delta Force to your nation, and attempt to work with your military command to end the terrorist threat. Democracy must be upheld.


(OOC: Yeah, that's some cheesy line from some movie...But yeah, I'm using it!)

SIC to US
Official sounding speech thanking the US for its aid.

SIC to US
Official sounding speech thanking the US for its aid.

(OOC: Argh, can you at least make something up?!)

OOC: Sorry, used up all of my daily creativity allotment in my Peru posts...

(OOC: Is Australian business out of Somalia too?)
OOC: Why would all our businesses suddenly pull out? All military operations have ended. So Somalia is in control of the entire government, road-building, power, electrical, agricultural, water management, law and order, welfare, defense (for 5 years they have access to our land vehicles (tanks, APCs))...

OOC: Why would all our businesses suddenly pull out? All military operations have ended. So Somalia is in control of the entire government, road-building, power, electrical, agricultural, water management, law and order, welfare, defense (for 5 years they have access to our land vehicles (tanks, APCs))...

(OOC: Ok, no order.)

Official Transmission to The United States of America

Saudi Arabia wishes to invite the United States to attend a summit in the city of Jeddah, for discussion of the future of Saudi Arabia and the future of the middle east.

Official Transmission to The United States of America

Saudi Arabia wishes to invite the United States to attend a summit in the city of Jeddah, for discussion of the future of Saudi Arabia and the future of the middle east.

OT to Saudi Arabia:
The United States accepts Saudi Arabia's generous invitation. Please provide a date, and we will attend.

(OOC: Kyanges-Apparently, the CG-21 project should be nearing completion soon. Presumably, you will be begining to retire the Ticonderoga cruisers around this period. When this occurs, Peru would like to purchase 1 or 2 Ticonderoga class cruisers to replace the outdated cruiser we have now - its WWII era)

(OOC: Kyanges-Apparently, the CG-21 project should be nearing completion soon. Presumably, you will be begining to retire the Ticonderoga cruisers around this period. When this occurs, Peru would like to purchase 1 or 2 Ticonderoga class cruisers to replace the outdated cruiser we have now - its WWII era)

(OOC: So what? You want AEGIS technology? Not likely. Your nation is still in the grips of a terrorist attack. Come on now. Peru is not a stable enough ally to trust with that sort of stuff.)

(OOC: Um, yah, thats still a few years away (2016). What I was asking is if you'd actually be willing to sell them AT ALL. Guess I should've been clearer...)

(OOC: Um, yah, thats still a few years away (2016). What I was asking is if you'd actually be willing to sell them AT ALL. Guess I should've been clearer...)

(OOC: No.)

(OOC: Whatever, it's not like I really NEED a navy - what the hack would I do with it?)

OOC: Kyanges....you can't be like that ICly, I can't embargo Somalia. We buy our wireless products from them, its a STAPLE of their industry. The USA has no right to say we have to cut all ties and stop purchasing our wireless netgear and phones from Somalia to get our damn equipment. That's childish.

OOC: Kyanges....you can't be like that ICly, I can't embargo Somalia. We buy our wireless products from them, its a STAPLE of their industry. The USA has no right to say we have to cut all ties and stop purchasing our wireless netgear and phones from Somalia to get our damn equipment. That's childish.

(OOC: I never said embargo Somalia, I said your business must go too. In RL Australia has practically nothing to do with Somalia, and they're doing fine. You can do the same too. It's legitimate in my eyes to want to have things return to the way they once were, and this is one of the few times I don't intend to listen to anyone else's opinion on the matter.

You don't have to leave all at once. Take your time and let them change business partners slowly so their economy, which is currently reliant on you apparently, won't take a hit. I've said it before, my whole stance is to wean Somalia off you, and let them diversify. There's nothing childish about that.

What is childish is that you don't try to think of a way to get out, and then pull, "Ohh, Somalia's business with us is a STAPLE of their industry.")

OOC: Kyanges...they are getting money from us. We are importing from them to. Stop being selfish, cause we are doing stuff right.

OOC: Well it seems i need US permission for the Solar Tower stuff, so can i have it please?

OOC: Well it seems i need US permission for the Solar Tower stuff, so can i have it please?

OOC: >.> We already been through this. Research your own and produce it in 30 years.

OOC: Kyanges...they are getting money from us. We are importing from them to. Stop being selfish, cause we are doing stuff right.

(OOC: I'm not going to even argue this. Either do it, or don't.

@Spiz: Lemme research it, and I'll get back to you in an hour.

EDIT: With regard to recent post I just read Spiz, please make an IC request.)

OOC: What do you think is going on? We have pulled out of EVERY sector of government, business and law enforcement, agriculture and are currently BUYING from Somalia! Our business with them is PURCHASING WIRELESS products! You ask to starve Somalia's chance at providing a decent export of $400 million per year which is more then the previous exports combined!?

OOC: What do you think is going on? We have pulled out of EVERY sector of government, business and law enforcement, agriculture and are currently BUYING from Somalia! Our business with them is PURCHASING WIRELESS products! You ask to starve Somalia's chance at providing a decent export of $400 million per year which is more then the previous exports combined!?

(OOC: I told you already, I'm not arguing this here anymore. The less OOC posts here, the better. You have my number. Call me in 1.5 hours.)

IC to Aussies:
Due to certain government policies that this firm is incapable of changing at this time, the order previous order of military hardware is still suspended.

Rest assured, we will try to negotiate some sort of deal with the government to get your products to you.

Government IC to Aussies:
The official position is that the current business practices of Australia continue to hold Somalia dependent on it. Until other international businesses invest in Somalia to allow them to diversify their exports, it's largely beyond your control, except to help the Somalians diversify as well. However, since no sane business will tell customers to search elsewhere for business, there is no other choice than to ask Australian business to leave.

To facilitate your exit, and to ensure that your businesses do not suffer as well, we will lift economic sanctions, however, military equipment will not be transferred until further notice.

Australia wants to know why they can't import from Somalia if they are to get this deal.

(OOC: Bump. Post edited at 2:00pm today.)