NationStates Jolt Archive

France offers diplomatic mediation in this crisis to Australia and Spain, to resolve this peacefully.

Foreign Minister Arturo de la Vega will attend the peace conference, fully understanding the wishes of King Phillip VI, and prepared to drive Spanish points to the table.

Prime Minister Aramaki will attend with his aide Alex.

[ooc: please note all ooc as "ooc"...and thanks for coming :)...let's see if diplomacy can work]

Seeing as Villepin was again detained from diplomacy, PM Michel Troummant will attend this conference to help moderate the negotiations for a peaceful resolution of this crisis.

Official Statement by HM Phumiphon Adunyadet of Thailand -
We applaud the willingness of Spain and Australia to step back from the brink of all-out warfare. Hopefully, France will be able to help bring an end to an unwanted war.

[OOC: Do you guys just want to assume we all arrived?]

OOC: Who's first?

[ooc: thanks for using ooc's :)...seeing as everyone announced their arrivals, we'll just assume that they're in Paris, le Palais Elysee, ready to deal out their intentions...and please be reasonable in your demands...this is about resolving the Djibouti affair, not pursuing the war into Somalia...honestly, that will come later...]

OOC: Mac?

[ooc: I guess I'll initiate...]

"Bienvenue, Messieurs!" PM Troummant said, welcoming PM Aramaki and Foreign Minister de la Vega into the large room. Its elegance mimicked the royal quality of Versailles some twenty miles down the road. But that aside, Troummant made his personal endeavour to resolve this peaceably and quietly. While he didn't agree with Australia's occupation of Somalia, he certainly didn't believe that a war should result on some error of judgment. Besides, there was still time to discuss resolving Djibouti, a longtime friend of France. No one hurt, so no one should suffer as a result of that misjudgment. Somalia would certainly come later, but for the moment, he focused his thought on Djibouti.

Neither side deserved to suffer the scourge of war over such a matter as such, somewhat trivial compared to past examples. He sat down at the rosewood table, sent from French Guiana and beckoned the two men to sit at opposite ends. The white tablecloth extended out as the national flags of the various persons stood behind them.

"Now that we are settled, we propose that the Spanish lay down their claims and propositions to end this state of hostility, assuming that the Spanish have halted their military actions in the Red Sea, and likewise the Australians. After Spain has laid her case, we shall hear the propositions of PM Aramaki for Australia. After having heard both sides, we will discuss on how we can come to a conclusion over the matter, if any interests are in conflict and if any proposals can be modified to fit peacefully into the world. Minister de la Vega, please present your case."

OOC: Am i allowed in here?

OOC: Am i allowed in here?

[ooc: seeing as Italy is a party with Spain in this coalition, yes...]

President Ciampi will attend in the name of the Republic of Italy.
OOC: what does australia control at the moment? This is the perfect time to dismantle the Australian Empire

[ooc: this is the discussion to the resolve the crisis about Djibouti, nothing else...if you want to press war on Somalia, that's for another thread...if Australia is willing to talk about it however, you may press for a peaceful withdrawal of Australia from Somalia...]

OOC: Its the fact that Australia should be looking for a way out of the war, since it knows that it cannot defeat us all and that we might push all the Way to Australia itself.

OOC: Its the fact that Australia should be looking for a way out of the war, since it knows that it cannot defeat us all and that we might push all the Way to Australia itself.

[ooc: I agree, but France personally does not like the use of war as a means for diplomacy...Australia, Spain, Italy, Iran, and IF should all be using this thread to avoid a war, rather than to test each other out...So far, France has only done economic sanctions on Australia, which is not the same thing as PREPARE THE BLACK SEA FLEET FOR WAR!!!...so Italy and Spain should work to end the war rather than press Australia to war...try to persuade Australia out of a war in Somalia if you can, but don't press the war...]

[OOC: With Australia's history of complaining about every single thing, I rather not have a war with it - it would just be too frustrating.]

De la Vega took a look at the prime minister of Australia, and scoffed. This was the man who had proved to be so childish, and it was a pain to know that de la Vega had been the one chosen above all to deal with this mess. He looked his contemporary up and down and said, "Good evening," failing to extend his arm. He then said, "Spain is ready to finish this debacle as soon as possible, and leave Australia to other wolfs, namely Saudi Arabia who now wish to see you gone from East Africa, as do most of us."

He then flipped over a page in the documents extended before him and went on, "Spain has a few terms, that will have to be followed for peace. These are that Australia pledge, here and now, their non-belligerence towards Djibouti, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Kenya. In other words, Australia has to pledge that it will not deploy near their borders, nor make any intentions to step on their territory without prior explicit consent. In other words, unless their governments specifically allow you to step foot on their sovereign territory, and you have evidence of this, any act of belligerence, from Spanish point of view, will warrant an immediate decleration of war on the government of Canberra, from the government of Madrid." That would be it. Madrid had no intention of dragging out the discussion, instead turning its eyes south, to match the Australian conquest of Somalia. It would now turn into a race.

Troummant looked at de la Vega and nodded.

"Spain has been generous in their offers. PM Aramaki, what proposals do you submit?"

OOC: Oh my... Islam is fighting a battle on both fronts now.

I have to join if Australia attacks... eek! i guess that's what friends are for though.

OOC: Oh my... Islam is fighting a battle on both fronts now.

I have to join if Australia attacks... eek! i guess that's what friends are for though.

OOC: Spiz how'd you come to know about Australia, and suddenly declare war ICly when you weren't there. Also....how come you refuse our aid and declare war on us? Its weird, but whatever...

IC:

Aramaki looks at the French Ambassador and smirked, "We have our orders, though our intentions were peaceful, not a shot was fired from our forces or on us. France's actions have more the plagued our government long enough and has dragged others into it. If you want this to be over, its imperative that you forget the Djibouti incident. We have no planes on taking any more African land, its a war we cannot afford. Stablization of Somalia is our current goal."

Aramaki showed a huge book Vega, it was entitled, "Restorative Stablization of Somalia". Aramaki said, "This is a book that overviews the entire Australian process. From the beginning of the fall of the warlords in the intense and bloody battles that cost us 35% of our forces to the construction plans and operations of Somalia as part of Operation Humanity. The goal is to erradicate sickness and double the life expenctancy of every Somalian. The nation was in a state of anarchy for sixteen years, that's over a third the average life expentancy of someone in Somalia. Our work may have been dirty and a little underhanded, but to avoid the legal red tape and ineffectiveness of the aid which was fueling the warlords. The situation was completely different from other African nations, and as a result needed a swift strike to change that."

"Do you understand now? Why Australia would go so far and fight so bitterly for people who suffer endlessly despite economic aid? It had to be done."

Troummant, slightly disturbed by the Australian statistics, replied, "We are here to discuss Djibouti, whether there is any resolution on that matter. Seeing as both Spain and Australia are willing to forget that part of history, we can consider this resolved. That is, if both agree that the war should be terminated over Djibouti.

"On the other hand, now that Australia has brought up that point about Somalia, we strongly support improvement of living conditions and the modernization of countries. However, seeing as Australia's unilateral attempt to annex a nation violates our current efforts to improve the standard of living in Africa, we have to oppose in all rights, especially with the passage of the UN resolution. This issue has been long overdue, but we are likewise willing to work out plans to revert Somalia to its national sovereignty. If Australia is willing to improve the standard of living for these people, they will likewise accept the self-determination of those people, the national sovereignty of that country, and all the territorial and security rights that are granted to all member states of the United Nations."

Troummant paused, recollecting his thoughts. This was not the place to discuss this, he thought.

"Well, if everything is as it should be, we will conclude that the state of war that exists between Australia and Spain [et al.] is over. That would be better for everyone, and hopefully, it will lead to further developments in the stabilization and peace efforts in Africa."

Aramaki said, "That will be business for another day. It shouldn't be till at least 2015 before we can consider pulling out."

De la Vega shook his head, "No, I don't understand. From here on, if Australia agrees to any treaty that is forged in this room, Australia must have explecit permission to step on sovereign territory, irregardless of what you consider good intentions. Spain's point of view on the matter is different from yours, and it is our point of view which will be respected when it comes time to decided to once again declare war on your nation. You must, if you wish to leave this room with peace on your hands, promise that Australia will not insert personnel in any country of those listed before without their written and proven permission to do so."

He thought to himself for a mere two seconds and then pressed the issue, "I couldn't give a damn if these warlods hid in these neighboring countries. That is for the sovereign country of that territory to deal with. If they do not allow you in written words to enter on their soil, we will decipher it as war, and we will declare war in return. Now, do you understand?"

A long silence ensued...

Troummant was getting anxious, fearing that this discussion was turning to Somalia, which was one place where he could not afford to allow this discussion...

"You have already stated your point and I have stated ours. It is not Spain's right to dictate concerns of our policy." said Aramaki, obviously annoyed at the man's disrespect and dishonor and senseless avoiding of what was indeed the the answer they were searching for.

De la Vega cackled, "But it is Spain's right to voice its opinion, and through sovereign right, it is Spain's natural God given right to enforce its opinions. That said, at this point Australia should work its hardest for peace and not antagonize Spain, because to be frank, Spain's diplomacy has shown more fruitful conclusions than that of Australia, and as proven with this war, we can bring much more force to bear than your tiny island nation. This can be seen as a threat, and I simply don't care about your reaction. I came here to ensure that Australia signs that it will not step foot on those countries unless it has prior consent by those governments to do so. If Australia leaves without pledging this and agreeing to this then there will be no peace."

OOC: Dude....did you really miss the answer your guy wanted in the first place, Naktan seemed to know it was there and your guy is being a pompus ass. No politican would be so gung-ho with the thought of a war riding on it, espically after getting the damn answer they wanted.

OOC: Dude....did you really miss the answer your guy wanted in the first place, Naktan seemed to know it was there and your guy is being a pompus ass. No politican would be so gung-ho with the thought of a war riding on it, espically after getting the damn answer they wanted.

[OOC: Obviously I didn't get the answer I wanted. The answer I want is Australia's treaty signed pledge that it promises not to step on any other of those nation's land without prior proven consent; or Australia agrees that Spain has the right to declare war on it. That's what I want. Yes, my representative is pompous, but you have to live with that. Frankly, given Spain's history with Australia in this roleplay, Spain doesn't care if it has peace or war - Spain wants that its politics are agreed to and carried out.]

Aramaki didn't look pleased, "I'll sign the paper, but on two conditions. Australia demands a formal apology for Spain's aggressive moves against Australia and an apology accepting that Spain international actions were hastey."

"Spain will not apologize for moving its fleet since it was done as was pledged. Spain, from the very beginning, promised that it would declare war on Australia should Australia attempt to infringe on Djiboutian sovereignty. From our perspective your country was, so we believe we were in the right. However, I will agree to apologize for any hasty movements, although it will be left as a generalization." De la Vega felt that partially aquiescing to this condition was the best he could do, as most of Spain's administration believes that it had been the island nation that had been hasty in any movements done around Africa.

[ooc: presume that things have broken down here?]

[OOC: Eh, only if Australia really need the first apology.]

Uh ya...think we're done...Aramaki is not going to press his advantage. Before the delete this basically happened:

Aramaki accepted the first one and would sign.

[ooc: yay...]

OOC: yep...so no war!