NationStates Jolt Archive

Naktan you start. I am confused. What is happening, since you are here and less aggressive them Mac.

Well, France isn't at war with Australia right now...

The current countries are at war on the said coalitions:

Iran
Italy
Islamic Federation
Spain

against

Australia

[ooc: I can't really control the war, but keep it clean, keep it real, and NO GODMOD...start with a placement of troops for the moment before anyone makes any attacks, so we have clear reference of what's going on...if that info is popsted elsewhere, RE-post it here...quite honestly, I'm not certain if anyone really knows what's going on...]

Countries can join this list as they please, realizing the consequences of doing so...

Any objections to a post must have Sel's approval or a moderator [who's not in the war, which means that I forfeit my impartiality if I join in as a combattant...]

I'm trying but Mac is just an insane warmonger right now. I said I can't RP it, I don't have all the maps and stuff or the info I need for it and he's forcing stuff down my throat.

Now....why those nations.

Except Spain...I know that.

My naval movements were begun yesterday morning, and entrance into the Red Sea was barely finalized on midday today, so AFAIK, my movements were legal.

I'm trying but Mac is just an insane warmonger right now. I said I can't RP it, I don't have all the maps and stuff or the info I need for it and he's forcing stuff down my throat.

Now....why those nations.

Except Spain...I know that.

Because those nations gave you in character declerations of wars, which you can't ignore. The player behind those nations decided to support Spain and not Australia, now live with it. And I'm the warmongerer? I'm not the one who annexed Somalia, and then launched an operation [failed operation, at that] into Djibouti. I'm just pretty frustrated at the amount of out of character crap that has to be spilled out before a simple post is completed.

My naval movements were begun yesterday morning, and entrance into the Red Sea was barely finalized on midday today, so AFAIK, my movements were legal.

[ooc: Just post them so there is an easy reference of troop locations]

I'm trying but Mac is just an insane warmonger right now. I said I can't RP it, I don't have all the maps and stuff or the info I need for it and he's forcing stuff down my throat.

Now....why those nations.

Except Spain...I know that.

Those nations posted their declarations of war on the Djibouti thread after you invaded/moved troops/did something there. As of yet, I have not seen any cessation of hostilities by those states [seeing as they're not that active anyway, there isn't too much to worry from them, except for Italy...besides IF is landlocked...]. Again, they declared war on you after you moved into Djibouti [for reasons and by methods of which I am not certain...].


Because those nations gave you in character declerations of wars, which you can't ignore. The player behind those nations decided to support Spain and not Australia, now live with it. And I'm the warmongerer? I'm not the one who annexed Somalia, and then launched an operation [failed operation, at that] into Djibouti. I'm just pretty frustrated at the amount of out of character crap that has to be spilled out before a simple post is completed.

It's already starting to get insane with the wild words...keep it clean...

One...I don't accept your post about the fleet attacking. Being spammed with it is NOT how you fight a war. People have time to sort stuff out. Now since those people are not online I have to have Aramaki attempt and read how they came to their conclusion. Someone declared war on me for anothers IC post which was a total lie. That isn't fair or proper. We don't even have ties to Iran. Italy we are supporting and sending aid to, now how can he turn and fight us without something. Face it your spamming of this has blow this way out of proportion for the type of conflict I wanted.

I've spent the last 2 hours trying to figure what the hell is going on. 2 hours and almost 100 posts WASTED on NOTHING.

[ooc: Just post them so there is an easy reference of troop locations]



Those nations posted their declarations of war on the Djibouti thread after you invaded/moved troops/did something there. As of yet, I have not seen any cessation of hostilities by those states [seeing as they're not that active anyway, there isn't too much to worry from them, except for Italy...besides IF is landlocked...]. Again, they declared war on you after you moved into Djibouti [for reasons and by methods of which I am not certain...].



It's already starting to get insane with the wild words...keep it clean...


The Djibouti operation was wasn't an invasion or anything it was clean up, which many nations do without the whole world knowing unless something seriously messes up, I was going to RP a covert Ops for this. Though everything went to hell in like 10 mins. This was going to be a USA attack on cuba type thing. Though everyone knows ICly when they couldn't so this whole thing is blown so far out no one even gives me a damn chance.

One...I don't accept your post about the fleet attacking. Being spammed with it is NOT how you fight a war. People have time to sort stuff out. Now since those people are not online I have to have Aramaki attempt and read how they came to their conclusion. Someone declared war on me for anothers IC post which was a total lie. That isn't fair or proper. We don't even have ties to Iran. Italy we are supporting and sending aid to, now how can he turn and fight us without something. Face it your spamming of this has blow this way out of proportion for the type of conflict I wanted.

I've spent the last 2 hours trying to figure what the hell is going on. 2 hours and almost 100 posts WASTED on NOTHING.

[ooc: aie....... was that Djibouti thing SIC or IC? and where's the darned post? and no one is attacking anyone at this point...just troop positions...until that's sorted, no one is attacking...and I'm not certain Italy completely understands you...he hasn't been very supportive of you, period...]

Order of Battle


Giuseppe Garibaldi [Italian Light Carrier]
Principe de Asturias [Spanish Light Carrier]
Aragon [Spanish Carrier/Amphibious Ship Hybrid]
5x F-100 Alvaro de Bazán class frigates
2x F-80 Santa María class frigates
2x Maestrale class Frigates [Italian]
2x Audace class Destroyers [Italian]
5x P-75 Descubierta class Patrol Craft
4x P-70 Serviola class Patrol Craft
4x BAM class Vessels [http://www.armada.mde.es/esp/ElFuturo/bam/FichaTecnica.asp?SecAct=05203]
M-11 Diana Support Ship
3x M-30 Segura class Mine Hunters
A-15 Cantabria Replenishing Ship
A-14 Patiño Replenishment Ship
A-11 Marques de la Ensenada Fleet Oiler
A-01 Contramaestre Casado Logistics Ship
A-04 Martín Posadillo Cargo Ship
A-111 Alerta Electronic Warfare Support Ship
2x S-80 submarines


Ground Forces:

El Tercio [Foreign Legion]
2nd Mechanized Division
1st Armoured Division


There are also aircraft squadrons, but these are still in Spain.

One...I don't accept your post about the fleet attacking. Being spammed with it is NOT how you fight a war. People have time to sort stuff out. Now since those people are not online I have to have Aramaki attempt and read how they came to their conclusion. Someone declared war on me for anothers IC post which was a total lie. That isn't fair or proper. We don't even have ties to Iran. Italy we are supporting and sending aid to, now how can he turn and fight us without something. Face it your spamming of this has blow this way out of proportion for the type of conflict I wanted.

I've spent the last 2 hours trying to figure what the hell is going on. 2 hours and almost 100 posts WASTED on NOTHING.

Why don't you accept my attack? Do you even have a reason, or do you just refuse to accept that you might possibly lose a war. They declared war on you because I declared war on you - that's their reason. Italy doesn't want your support obviously - it's agenda is not yours. They have declared war on you, now deal with it. I haven't spammed - you have spammed OOCly, and I have replied to each and every of your OOC messages. The only instigator of spam has been yourself. Now you face it.

[ooc: aie....... was that Djibouti thing SIC or IC? and where's the darned post? and no one is attacking anyone at this point...just troop positions...until that's sorted, no one is attacking...and I'm not certain Italy completely understands you...he hasn't been very supportive of you, period...]

SIC. Obviously if I have covert op troops heading in I don't exactly want to announce it to the whole world.

Mac...how about contributing something other then your forces you're planning to kill me with.

Ummm, Naktan asked me to post it, so I did. Thank you.

Why don't you accept my attack? Do you even have a reason, or do you just refuse to accept that you might possibly lose a war. They declared war on you because I declared war on you - that's their reason. Italy doesn't want your support obviously - it's agenda is not yours. They have declared war on you, now deal with it. I haven't spammed - you have spammed OOCly, and I have replied to each and every of your OOC messages. The only instigator of spam has been yourself. Now you face it.

Read Naktan's comment. Besides a war is not something you go:
OMFGOMOFMOMFOGMOMOM NUKENUEKJHEUINEKE! NUKEORS YOU! DIEEEE NOWWS.

I have a right to figure out what the hell is going on OOCly and get to a bottom of this and prepare. You have no maps, no troops locations, positions, UN declaration or anything, I have none of the same either. A war would essentially be all FORCE, not strategy and no fun.

I did ask for troops positions...NOT TROOPS...

And unless Italy gave you permission to draw up his troops, the Italians aren't there... [in which case, post the post he said it...]

If this is all SIC, how did everyone else get word of it?

Let's postpone the troop placements and get all of the threads in order of what should have happened...and should happen, because if this is all SIC, then it shouldn't even exist...unless this whole thing isn't over Djibouti, in which case proceed [after posting the comments about it, because I thought this was because Australia infiltrated Djibouti in some form or whatever...]

There's plenty of strategy in the war; just because a missile forces you to step out of the old strategy box, doesn't mean strategy is nonexistant. That's a fallacy. What's more, I don't know why you even suggest the word nuke, as nothing of the like has happened. You have to face that missiles are the world's choice of weapon, and it's your fault for even starting the entire conflict without realizing the consequences. You thought you could win, and you're wrong. Now the reaction is something you can't possibly win so you want to avert the destruction of your fleet through petty out of character arguments. That's the wrong way to deal with it.

This is what Naktan said:

Just post them so there is an easy reference of troop locations


So I put my order of battle of what's currently in the Red Sea. Congratulations. Do you want a map? Google a map of the Red Sea, and bam, you have your map.

If this is all SIC, how did everyone else get word of it?


It's in the post that you quoted - it's in his decleration of war.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10561892&postcount=37


the Giuseppe Garibaldi, two Audace class DDs and two Maestrale class frigates will rendevous with the spanish fleet off of Pantelerria and will be placed under the command of a Spanish Admiral.

ok with tthe Italian ships...

But I did ask for troop locations, which does not mean you label every single ship youu have; just numbers and location...

So that translates to about 20 ships in the northern Red Sea, along with supporting ground units [or in route?].

Besides that, where's the SIC post?

That's 39 ships exactly. Here is every single IC post detailing the progression of the fleet:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10561604&postcount=17 - News
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10564324&postcount=45 - Rondevouz off Pantelleria
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10567379&postcount=65 - Entrance into the Red Sea

That's nice, but I'm still looking for that SIC post...

That's nice, but I'm still looking for that SIC post...

What SIC post?

I doubt Italy knows what's this is about and jumped the gun. We'll see tomorrow. Now...the Djibouti was SIC, you don't know it happened, so Italy can't even be included unless you KNEW ICly, I was going to do covert ops and you slammed me to fast I couldn't even do the RP right.

SIC means its not announced. So your whole invasion and his forces may be moot.

That's nice, but I'm still looking for that SIC post...

I have no idea where it is, with all the stupid senseless OOC yelling and crap my search won't even go back that far anymore.

War was declared because of this post: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10561835&postcount=35

This is not semi-IC. The world will know of any Australian movements in Djibouti within five minutes of the beginning of the operation. Australian troops would not be able to enter the country clandestinely.

War was declared because of this post: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10561835&postcount=35

This is not semi-IC. The world will know of any Australian movements in Djibouti within five minutes of the beginning of the operation. Australian troops would not be able to enter the country clandestinely.

No...that's not it, its REFRENCING my SECRET -IC post not Semi. We are seeking out the USA Base, peaceful to. So there is no invasion, no conquest. Its not militaristic or invasion. Though Russia did scare them off with the threat of the troops.

Your men stepped food ot Djiboutian territory; Spain pledged that it would declare war on the second this happened, and they held their promise. That post I quoted is completely in character, or do you want to dispute that as well? The only part that is out of character in that post is what's in parenthesis, and the edit; everything else is considered in character. Spain responded to that.

I can't find it...I've looked in every single thread, almost every single post leading up to the declarations of war, every single post after that...

I'm afraid to say that it doesn't exist. If you wanted to do SIC on that one comment [that seemed more like a declaration than anything else...], you should have written SIC on it...I'm off to eat, so I'd suggest checking the USA thread, the other threads, wherever you posted someething about Djibouti [which is why I hate this cluttering of other threads because no one knows where anything is...]. I'm leaving that much time to find that SIC post; otherwise, it becomes void and the war is still on. This is as fair as I can make it without giving too much partiality to Spain and whatever. [If this is to be voided, ask Sel about nullifying the whole Djibouti invasion thingy; otherwise, it's still on...]

Spain; hold off on the war until I come back...or Sel Appa comes back to moderate this whole thing...

Yes, but this is peaceful not militaristic. >.>

Not a cause for war.

It may have been peaceful from your point of view, but it wasn't peaceful from the point of view of Spanish, Iranian, Italian, Lithuanian and Russian officials.

It may have been peaceful from your point of view, but it wasn't peaceful from the point of view of Spanish, Iranian, Italian, Lithuanian and Russian officials.

No you don't get it, you can't interpret it as violence when they are going peacefully on a mission of peace? That's like attacking a diplomat for being in a nation on a peace summit.

No you don't get it, you can't interpret it as violence when they are going peacefully on a mission of peace? That's like attacking a diplomat for being in a nation on a peace summit.

Who are you to say how I could interpret something? Caesar wiped out the Helvetti on a whim; I can do the same thing if I wanted to. Australia never declared it had peaceful intentions, and it entered on Djiboutian soil without the explecit permission of Djibouti - Australia thinks it had it, Spain thinks it didn't. So war has been declared, and most of the world currently agrees with me. Deal with it.

Actually it did state that it had peaceful intentions.

Who are you to say how I could interpret something? Caesar wiped out the Helvetti on a whim; I can do the same thing if I wanted to. Australia never declared it had peaceful intentions, and it entered on Djiboutian soil without the explecit permission of Djibouti - Australia thinks it had it, Spain thinks it didn't. So war has been declared, and most of the world currently agrees with me. Deal with it.

IT SAID SO IN THE FUCKING POST DAMMIT! READ IT AGAIN!

You can't also spam shit about an invasion when I didn't invade. YOU'RE WRONG. THIS WAS PEACEFUL. SINCE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT MY COVERT OPS YOU CAN'T SAY THAT EITHER. THIS WAR IS STUPID!

Actually it did state that it had peaceful intentions.

No, it didn't. It said Australian troops entered in a peaceful manner; that still doesn't explain the fact that Australia entered sovereign and autonomous soil without the permission of the government of that country. That is a breach of sovereignty, and that's what Spain declared war on.

Those are peaceful intentions, not quite... allowed peaceful intentions but they are peaceful intentions,

IT SAID SO IN THE FUCKING POST DAMMIT! READ IT AGAIN!

You can't also spam shit about an invasion when I didn't invade. YOU'RE WRONG. THIS WAS PEACEFUL. SINCE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT MY COVERT OPS YOU CAN'T SAY THAT EITHER. THIS WAR IS STUPID!


Um, no, you're still wrong. You're not adressing everything that you should adress. Spain doesn't agree with you that you entered in a peaceful manner - the only thing Spain agrees on is that you entered sovereign territory without the permission of the government. That's the fact. And when did you say this was covert ops? All you said is that your men had begun operations in Australia - and that's what Spain knows. You're making this war stupid. You did invade - get it through your head - you stepped on SOVEREIGN territory without the permission of the SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT - that is, by definition, an invasion, no matter what your 'intentions' were.... live with it, please.

No, it didn't. It said Australian troops entered in a peaceful manner; that still doesn't explain the fact that Australia entered sovereign and autonomous soil without the permission of the government of that country. That is a breach of sovereignty, and that's what Spain declared war on.


No one was RPing as Djibouti. That's been settled. If it was peaceful it is assumed they aren't fired on and they aren't firing back. I couldn't even do anything because of the massive dogpile you set up all cause you didn't read it.

No, that's something that you assumed incorrectly. SafeHaven2 had proposed him taking Djibouti as a NPC, but you jumped the gun and inserted troops into the country anyways, without waiting. That's your own fault, not mine; you should have waited. So now, deal with the war.

Um, no, you're still wrong. You're not adressing everything that you should adress. Spain doesn't agree with you that you entered in a peaceful manner - the only thing Spain agrees on is that you entered sovereign territory without the permission of the government. That's the fact. And when did you say this was covert ops? All you said is that your men had begun operations in Australia - and that's what Spain knows. You're making this war stupid. You did invade - get it through your head - you stepped on SOVEREIGN territory without the permission of the SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT - that is, by definition, an invasion, no matter what your 'intentions' were.... live with it, please.

I don't care, you don't have anyone to see. Its peaceful, its how they did it. Peaceful is peaceful. Spain has no right to do what they did. You have no right to start stuff. Now stop.

I don't care, you don't have anyone to see. Its peaceful, its how they did it. Peaceful is peaceful. Spain has no right to do what they did. You have no right to start stuff. Now stop.


Under that logic, you had no right to invade Somalia, so please leave. Be realistic here. Even if Spain had no real reason to declare war, it doesn't need one - it just needs to persuade the world that its intentions are pure, and frankly, Australia is not helping curtail this, especially since you refuse to pull out of Somalia. The world isn't fair, deal with it.

You lied OOCly and lied ICly. ICly we can choose to ignore your butt. Alright. You don't give anyone a chance. I even ASKED for someone to RP Djibouti. No one is doing it...you need to be patient. Its a damn virtue. Your OOC and IC lies are too much. I don't accept them and I told you that you were wrong since the whole thing began. So just stop it, send your ships home.

Um, I never lied, and you need to be patient. SafeHaven2 was ready to roleplay Djibouti, and then you said he couldn't and you inserted troops on sovereign territory. Any fault of this is yours, not mine, live with it, please. You're the only one lying - in fact, your SIC message was never found, and I don't even think it exists. And no, you ignored me OOCly, since you can't ignore a fleet firing at yours ICly. :P But your ignore is unprovoked and incorrect, and you have to deal with the attack. Whether you like it or not Spain is going to proceed attacking your fleet until you sue for peace, and there's no other way around it - you put men on Djiboutian soil without waiting for a Djiboutian response, and that to Spain was a breach of sovereignty, and due to the pledge, something that could be responded to by a deceleration of war. Italy, Iran and the Islamic Federation seem to agree with me. Now you have to deal with a war that you can't win. So instead of bullshitting out of character messages, deal with the war in an in character message and prove that you can role play, and not just annex and when things go wrong, bitch about it.

I'm not going to send my ships home. Whatever Australia thinks is wrong, the nations allied with Spain don't think is right. This is all in character, and you have to deal with it in character, not by complaining out of character. That's your job as a role player. If you think it's not fair, tough luck, you should have thought about that before you began operations in Djibouti, and before you annexed Somalia. I repeat, again, all of this is your own fault, and you brought it upon yourself. If you want an easy way out of this leave Somalia, or sue for peace and hope that Phillip VI is happy that day.

Umm what did Naktan say? Ya...that. Hmm...ignored cause your reasons are wrong and you didn't do it right. Ignored, deal with it cause your whole reasons for IC war is moot now.

No one was Rping it. The time between posts was just minutes and no one was Rping Djibouti. I asked LATER if someone wanted to, I didn't know the option was open.

You can't fire with the info you have or the info I have. Sorry, it doesn't float.

This is what Naktan said, thank you very much:


otherwise, it becomes void and the war is still on.



Spain; hold off on the war until I come back...or Sel Appa comes back to moderate this whole thing...


Which I am, because it's your response anyways; I'm just trying to drive the point through your thick head.

I made my movements in the war as correct as they could have been. There is nothing that is illegal in the 'rules' of roleplay in my posts - nothing at all. I declared war on you for putting troops in Djibouti, whether or not you agree with my reasons. There is nothing physically impeding me doing that in character, and you have to realize this. You cannot avoid war because you think your reasons for entering Djibouti were correct - you are not one to decide in character the point of view of another. Spain is sovereign; it can do what it damn well pleases, and it decided to declare war on Australia.

On the issue of Djibouti, SafeHaven2 offered to take it as a NPC the day before you put men in it. I can give you exact posts if you would like; in fact, I can quote the post that you said you wouldn't accept him as the roleplayer of Djibouti. Then you declared your operations, and after, when things started to go bad for you, you asked for someone to take it as a NPC. Get your facts straight.

Okay, here's my tentative verdict about this war sheebang... [tentative, meaning pending Sel's approval]:



1- Australia declares that its troops are entering Djibouti in this post here:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10559123&postcount=34
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10559123&postcount=35

Regardless of whether Australia had an SIC or not, this post just blatantly proves Australia's presence in Djibouti. [I thought about this over dinner...it wouldn't make sense that it would be secret if there was a declaration at all that revealed the intentions and the positions...].


2- In post 35 of the said, Australia also states that... Australia has no choice to invade, and we HAVE to to stop it, as the 'warlords' won't fit in unless you take a full charge and search and destroy, which would be called an invasion anyways and not 'aiding'.. That comment is part of a parenthetical comment, which unfortunately leaves some doubt to whether it is or is not OOC...seeing as it is not labeled, I am left to assume that it is IC...


3- While this leaves an open room for a declaration of war by Spain and the others that followed, the key to this problem is that neither the USA nor a viable NPC player for Djibouti [seeing as there was no one] replied. International politics calls this "silent reply," to which Australia believes that they have the right to proceed, since there was no explicit dissent.

4- The problem arises when Spain et al. believe that the "silent reply" does not express consent, so they assume that Australia has moved into Djibouti without their consent [thus, leading to an invasion...]. Spain rightfully replies with a declaration of war.

5- The declaration of war, coupled with Russia's movement in Djibouti [of which I'm still pending a declaration by Djibouti consenting to that one as well...], prompts Australia to retract its forces back into Somalia.

AS OF THE CURRENT STATUS, THERE IS NO REASON FOR A CONTINUATION OF THE WAR ON THE REASON THAT DJIBOUTI WAS INVADED, SEEING AS IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON BOTH SIDES. That said, all the declarations are legitimate, so a state of war does exist between Australia and Spain [et al.].

At this point, the Spanish/Italian fleet is away from the Australian fleet. Seeing as there were no obvious casualties in the little skirmish, I believe that this should not be a war thread but rather a negotiation thread [to end the state of hostility between the states]. In the international world, there is no legitimate reason to continue the war for the reason of a Djibouti invasion. If Spain wishes to pursue its declaration of war on the Somalia issue, that is a different story, in which a continuation of the state of war may in order, although I still believe that this can be resolved diplomatically.

Therefore, the war for Djibouti is not a legitimate reason to continue hostilities. A negotiation is in order at this time to resolve that crisis.

First of all I am rping as Dijibouti just to get that out of the way.


But about the whole war issue, Asbena maybe you did not have any harmfull intentions and really meant to be peacefull and wanted peace, that doesn't matter because Spain did not know that nor did I(Iccly). Even if we did Spain could still(and probaly would have) declared war, maybe Spain would have been morraly "wrong" in doing so but the point is he could still do so no matter how 'wrong" it is. You have a war on your hands now Asbena, can't get out of it.

In other news, I'll post tommorrow on both Dijibouti and Iran.

First of all I am rping as Dijibouti just to get that out of the way.


But about the whole war issue, Asbena maybe you did not have any harmfull intentions and really meant to be peacefull and wanted peace, that doesn't matter because Spain did not know that nor did I(Iccly). Even if we did Spain could still(and probaly would have) declared war, maybe Spain would have been morraly "wrong" in doing so but the point is he could still do so no matter how 'wrong" it is. You have a war on your hands now Asbena, can't get out of it.

In other news, I'll post tommorrow on both Dijibouti and Iran.

THANK YOU FOR REPLYING!!!

On other news, to iterate my earlier comments, there is still a war going on...my point is that the reason is now out-dated and should be diplomatically resolved...

Both parts say:

Australia steps up border patrols and Red Sea searches for suspicious ships in Somalian waters.

Though this says:

Australia has no choice to invade, and we HAVE to to stop it, as the 'warlords' won't fit in unless you take a full charge and search and destroy, which would be called an invasion anyways and not 'aiding'

NO CHOICE to invade. We can't invade and they wouldn be aiding. This is the precusor to the covert ops. It was an OOC message to Lithuania. Take it as you want. Though it can be taken both ways...I don't see an invasion part there.

First of all I am rping as Dijibouti just to get that out of the way.


But about the whole war issue, Asbena maybe you did not have any harmfull intentions and really meant to be peacefull and wanted peace, that doesn't matter because Spain did not know that nor did I(Iccly). Even if we did Spain could still(and probaly would have) declared war, maybe Spain would have been morraly "wrong" in doing so but the point is he could still do so no matter how 'wrong" it is. You have a war on your hands now Asbena, can't get out of it.

In other news, I'll post tommorrow on both Dijibouti and Iran.

Why should I have a war on my hands with Spain...if he's that dead set on it that means I have to post my defenses and all the crap...dammit. Mac you REALLY want to do this.

You don't think it's an invasion; however, Spain et al think it is, and acted accordingly. Similar stuff happens from time to time...

I already offered to you that you begin to sue for peace; or in other words, begin a peace process. We're both 1st world nations, we can settle this on the table.

I already offered to you that you begin to sue for peace; or in other words, begin a peace process. We're both 1st world nations, we can settle this on the table.

Sue for peace?

Begin to plead to bring the war to the peace tables, in other words.

Seeing as there is some resolution about the matter, how do you want to resolve this? in a new thread or in here?

[if that one part was not an invasion or even a border incursion, why did you say that your troops were leaving? or even that? aie... this is big headache...just end this diplomatically...]

Obviously because Australia didn't understand Italy had already declare war on him, him sending that small task force north was a mistake that shouldn't have happened otherwise, so I'm willing to ignore the engagement, meaning my ships are still prepping in the Red Sea and ready to continue south - that voyage is destined to be completed by tomorrow. I say we do it in a new, clean thread and fully in character.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10569060#post10569060

if you guys want to resolve this, talk here...

Subscribing...I'll post tomorrow.

OOC: So...what exactly is going on? Are we fighting?

OOC: So...what exactly is going on? Are we fighting?

[OOC: Ugh, no. Too much OOC bickering for me to even stand one day worth of fighting. We decided on peace. Australia has pledged to stay non-belligerent when regarding neighboring African countries.]

OOC: So...what exactly is going on? Are we fighting?

nope no fighting...see other thread, we got peace.