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Since the end of Unified Sith (he left NS several months back for personnal reasons) and the culmination of events (caused in part by myself) in the 2nd Galactic Civil war, which was rather more of a battle than a war, saw the rise of Chronosia to the ruling of the Galactic Empire. This then resulted in the fall of the Sith from power. This is my opinion was a great shifting point in all things FT.

Now let us view in retrospect what has thus since then happened:

Chronosias policy concerning the affairs the GE have thus far remained unknown, he having not made very many wide-spread decisions concerning the known former worlds and member nations of the GE.

The GFFA has gathered much more influence in the seeming vacuum left by the GEs apparent crumbling and lack of ability to command. This strong alliance of nations has proved that it backs those who join it and helps those who are allied to it. A strong force in the universe.

The recent Cassiopean wars. This guy gets the award for stiring up the most trouble possible and somehow still being alive at the end of it all. *hands TCG a golden cockroach* His recent invasion of No Endorse Territory has sparked a counter invasion and will most likely have him turn out like Sephiroth ( his home planet turned to glass and covered in casinos owned by the former invaders).

Any other major happenings? Anything to conflict or say about my thesis or view about the 'turning point'? And heres another question:

I like SW tech, more to the point: Imperial SW tech. Star Destroyers are just the bomb for me. Nothing better. My entire army, navy, everything is modelled after the Empire's armed forces. And with the fall of 'real' Imperials from GE control, I find that the FT world finally has a true Imperial Remnant. Chronosia has seen the end, unitentionally no doubt, of what was Imperial about the Galactic Empire.

So, thoughts, threats, tomatos?

Well if CW would get back, we can get back to the lockdown war in its more organized version...

Back in my backwards little corner of the galaxy, we don't really care what's going on in the rest of space as long as nobody's taking over.

Back in my backwards little corner of the galaxy, we don't really care what's going on in the rest of space as long as nobody's taking over.

Your "little corner of the galaxy" would be were? Maybe my Grand Admirals might find some military use in aquiring it...just joking. ;)

Well if CW would get back, we can get back to the lockdown war in its more organized version...

I never really kept track of that part of it. You have a link to it Godular? And I am curious as to your view on the things I said above.

I'd rather not link it. The OOC thread ended up getting some added vitriol when Unified Sith hippity hopped back in and tried to out-stubborn me. Needless to say, that killed that line right there.

At this point in time, me and Chronosia both agree that CW needs to be present in order for the Lockdown War to properly kick off again. Also keeping it closed and down to a 5.5 v 5.5 (as CW would technically count as a part of both sides).

As for the Cassiopeians... well, in one shot they pissed off four nations that have no real choice BUT to invade at this point.

In attacking No Endorse, he violated/voided a treaty of surrender between himself, CW, and I, which means in essence that a state of war that previously was ended is now back in full force and I have to bloody kill him now. He laughed off a challenge by Balrogga which means that the Ta'Nar now have a war of genocide to prosecute. He invaded both Mini Miehm and No Endorse, so they're conducting counterattacks...

To say nothing of Chronosia eying the Cassiopeia Galaxy for colonization...

As for the GFFA bit I would only moderately agree with. The alliance does support its members, but I suspect it still lacks the raw power that the GE still commands more or less due to Chronosia's allies. Of course, with me and CW in the alliance, and those who joined because me and CW are in the alliance, there is quite an untapped keg of whoopass dwelling within the GFFA.

I have to agree that the GE just isn't the same with a Warhammer basis instead of a Star Wars Imperial basis.

I have to agree that the GE just isn't the same with a Warhammer basis instead of a Star Wars Imperial basis.

It just never is quite the same...*sigh*

Well, seeing how as I only joined December 28th, i haven't really seen everything back in the day...though I gotta agree about the Imperial SW base...

Ahem, I think you'll find that aside from Remiel being in charge, theres been no change in basis. I've in no way converted anything Imperial to 40k.

CW is in charge of all the old Imperial heirarchy since hes familiar with the units. He's been absent and so the Imperial navy has been somewhat lax

The Empire, however, is far from idle. Had you checked the boards (Which, as a non-member you cannot do) you would see that preperations for expansion are imminent. I know I'm not US, I can't hope to equal that; but I'm doing the best I can, and a better job than you, or Nightshade would have done. We can't have the Empire dissolve into squabbling factions who all think they can equal our progenitor; if and when it dies, it shall be a glorious death.

I simply thought I should correct the ignorant (like SQ, who wasn't here for any of the 'good old days) among you, that I have changed nothing. I merely rule.

Ahem, I think you'll find that aside from Remiel being in charge, theres been no change in basis. I've in no way converted anything Imperial to 40k.

CW is in charge of all the old Imperial heirarchy since hes familiar with the units. He's been absent and so the Imperial navy has been somewhat lax

The Empire, however, is far from idle. Had you checked the boards (Which, as a non-member you cannot do) you would see that preperations for expansion are imminent. I know I'm not US, I can't hope to equal that; but I'm doing the best I can, and a better job than you, or Nightshade would have done. We can't have the Empire dissolve into squabbling factions who all think they can equal our progenitor; if and when it dies, it shall be a glorious death.

I simply thought I should correct the ignorant (like SQ, who wasn't here for any of the 'good old days) among you, that I have changed nothing. I merely rule.
...ok...

Y'all are idiots, and have no idea what you are talking about. I have the closest thing to an inside line, and I know that Impy SW is still the mainstay of the GE, Remiel is simply emperor. If I could see you all in person there would likely be genital kicking, as it stands there will simply be general mockery of your intelligence, you RAVING MORONS. Thrashia is an idiot. If you simply accept his version of things then you are also idiots. Do a little research, and maybe read the threads that he mentions. Compare the actions of the GE(temporarily inactive due to lack of CW) with the actions of the Sith led GE. When we act there is no real difference, except that Palpy is now dead. Now, quit being morons, all of you.

Also factor in that since Sith's departure we've had new boards (Designed by him), a recruitment thread, action taken against TCG and, as I mentioned, preparations for new expansion.

I highly doubt the Empire would change much had it been under CW, or Thrashia, to what it has become today.

Wow, how did it go from nice ickle posts to Miehm starting the insults o.O.

Dont forget about the few us who are out there all alone! Or ... ill eat you..

I love this, Mini Miehm thinks he knows more about the GE than me. That makes me chuckle and grin. Spending hours on end listening to Unified Sith brag about what new measures he was enacting to destroy me and how his territories were virtually impervious to enemy assault endowed me with a somewhat unique inside line.

I should hope you did not intend to include me in that most comprehensive analysis, as you will note that I did not say one damn thing about the GE's constituency. I DO know that Chronosia's takeover was purely in the leadership echelons and quite happily not in the area of military technology and organization. CW knew more about how to run such a group, and it was to him that control of the Empire itself fell.

The simple fact of the matter is that the Galactic Empire has been in decline for quite a while. It does still wield significant power due to the devotion of several of its members, Chronosia first and foremost among these, but for the most part its been acting more and more as a rallying point for sycophantic hangers-on who go to start fights and run crying back to the big gunz when the heat gets too high for them to bear.

It lost the spirit of its existence long ago. It needs to die, but I do agree with Chronosia: It does deserve a glorious death. And it will be.

Wasn't Hataria the one who got casino-glassed?

Nah. That was Sephrioth. Although it should be taken as a bad sign for TCG that Balrogga is on the invading side again...

Balrogga's the one who conducted the glassing of Sephrioth... well, after Cam III and The Imperial Navy finished with it.

Unified Sith is/was irrevelant, the GE is/has always been a sad attempt at an FT GDODAD which is why i left with my puppets

Mini Miehm, knock it off with the ad hominem attacks. They really, really don't make you look good. Disagreeing with people does not require verbal abuse, and if I happen across any more such exemplars I shall not be happy.

~ Tsar the Mod.

*nods to what thar Tsar said* This is a discussion gentlemen/women about a thesis I presented and why I thought that thesis was true.

I do not mean to be so rash as to say that the GE has thrown all those Star Destroyers away, thats ridiculous and a mistake on my part for not making it clear. I simply mean to say that the Galactic Empire ruled by a WH40k emperor is just....poetically unjust (if I use the correct terms...).

I think since the fall of US the GE has needed a big-time reformation. Without it we will end up seeing its eventual death and I do indeed agree with both Godular and Chronosia that it will be spectacular either way.

Nah. That was Sephrioth. Although it should be taken as a bad sign for TCG that Balrogga is on the invading side again...

Balrogga's the one who conducted the glassing of Sephrioth... well, after Cam III and The Imperial Navy finished with it.

I wouldn't mind owning a few casinos if it happens to TCG. Good for advertising and not a bad way to earn a few credits. :D

Actually I need to correct a misconception.

I was not in on the glassing of Sephs wolrd and the eventual reconstruction by invading nations into a varied placement of drive-ins and casinos. I have to hand all the credit to Cam III and the others who did it.

I was the one who defended myself from three fleet attacks by him and after he destroyed a communications array, I opened fire. I ended up destroying said fleets accidently and he fled without firing any additional shots.

I did participate in the capture of his Titan System. HE declaired war on about 5 people at once and we all worked together to wipe him out. (sounds familliar to the TCG invasion) The multi-national forces trapped his Emperor (TIN and Moleland), thus ending that aspect. Several other nations responded to his attempt at invading a colony world I established at Prospero 4 (as part of a non-agression treaty with Cam III). The others each jumped in and had their fun while I was destroying the fleet of Planetkillers he sent against me. By the time I arrived IC, the others had already finished their dirty work so I tested out my Gravitational Tech on his dead worlds doing four experiments:


Removing the atmosphere from a planet
Cracking a planet's core
Pulling a planet out of orbit
Collapsing the sun



I figured it wasn't being used since everyone else virus bombed the hell out of everything so I might have made use of the space.

I do have links somewhere if you wish to read.



Back to the topic of the Thread.


The Intergalactic Trade Hub continues to grow and has approximately 125 members. I think it might be one of the largest organizations in NS other than the UN.

Well I'm sorry Thrashia, but thats what you seemed to imply. Now, it may be 'poetically unjust', but I would rather have my firm hand in control, than have you and CW destroy it with your squabbles.

Can you really see yourself doing a better job than I am in Sith's absence? Or would you like to try again? I can show you that the Empire is still strong.

When you're ready, simply ask. I'll admit I'm not Sith, but I'm doing that best job anyone could in my position. Because not one of you could do any better.

Well I'm sorry Thrashia, but thats what you seemed to imply. Now, it may be 'poetically unjust', but I would rather have my firm hand in control, than have you and CW destroy it with your squabbles.

Can you really see yourself doing a better job than I am in Sith's absence? Or would you like to try again? I can show you that the Empire is still strong.

When you're ready, simply ask. I'll admit I'm not Sith, but I'm doing that best job anyone could in my position. Because not one of you could do any better.

Actually, I prefer you over Sith but that's just my opinion, mind. I think you are a capable evil warlord or somesuch within the FT cummunity. PM me won't you? There's still more to discuss.

Well I'm sorry Thrashia, but thats what you seemed to imply. Now, it may be 'poetically unjust', but I would rather have my firm hand in control, than have you and CW destroy it with your squabbles.

Can you really see yourself doing a better job than I am in Sith's absence? Or would you like to try again? I can show you that the Empire is still strong.

When you're ready, simply ask. I'll admit I'm not Sith, but I'm doing that best job anyone could in my position. Because not one of you could do any better.

Maybe at another time in the distant future when I can gather more men and allies to the cause. But until then, I'll take peace. I'm still finishing rebuilding my homeworld. *shakes a fist at Khurgan for virus-bombing the original* My original had cities similar to Curoscant and all. And while I did get my heavy industry workers and a lot of equipment off Thrashia Prime, the Merchant Guilds are still bringing things back up to top notch.

EDIT:

And I'm not questioning your leadership skills Chron, not at all. I imagined, had I won, to install a sort of government similar to the Imperial Remnant that you read about in the Expanded Universe books. A council of grand moffs, a senate, and the military arm. Nothing too complicated or original, but enough to keep balance and things out of control of the Sith.

We have a council of Moffs, a senate and a military arm. As I have previously stated most of the Imperial mechanic falls under Cw, whose absence puts us all at a disadvantage.

I don't disguise that I have no grasp of SW tech; but I do think I've succeeded in keeping things out of the Sith's hands. It becomes clear, however, that ICly, our Empires will come into contact, possibly conflict, before long.

We have a council of Moffs, a senate and a military arm. As I have previously stated most of the Imperial mechanic falls under Cw, whose absence puts us all at a disadvantage.

I don't disguise that I have no grasp of SW tech; but I do think I've succeeded in keeping things out of the Sith's hands. It becomes clear, however, that ICly, our Empires will come into contact, possibly conflict, before long.

I know enough about SW to fight it effectively, but other than that, we really DO need CW for this.

Now, here's a thought for Godular. You had not posted here, yes? By that reasoning you were not included. Now, everything Sith told you was via MSN, and therefore OOC. That means that everything you "know" can't be USED. But I'm sure you knew that. Unless of course you want me to start using my OOC knowledge to screw you over at every opportunity, like breaking the Lockdown at every opportunity, or using Yamatos under Voidshield. Yes, using Yamatos under voidshield, since they aren't Superlasers they aren't affected. That's a warning for the next time we fight, and I'm sure it'll be soon enough.

We have a council of Moffs, a senate and a military arm. As I have previously stated most of the Imperial mechanic falls under Cw, whose absence puts us all at a disadvantage.

I don't disguise that I have no grasp of SW tech; but I do think I've succeeded in keeping things out of the Sith's hands. It becomes clear, however, that ICly, our Empires will come into contact, possibly conflict, before long.

I had been thinking of a ruler without Remiels' infamous reputation.

Now, here's a thought for Godular. You had not posted here, yes? By that reasoning you were not included.

I did post. Which points out in turn that you did not read this thread before you commented. Which points out the irony that you called everyone morons without first checking to see who it was you were calling such a thing.

Now, everything Sith told you was via MSN, and therefore OOC. That means that everything you "know" can't be USED. But I'm sure you knew that.

Indeed I did. And the amusing thing is that I have only acted upon information that is considered publicly known amongst the members of the empire and that information came to me ICly via former members and standard spying.

Unless of course you want me to start using my OOC knowledge to screw you over at every opportunity, like breaking the Lockdown at every opportunity, or using Yamatos under Voidshield.

Which you can't do because I have given you no OOC information in regards to achieving such things. As such, you're still fucked, wootie toot.

Yes, using Yamatos under voidshield, since they aren't Superlasers they aren't affected.

Doesn't matter. It worked on Chronosia's warp cannon, and it'll work on your yamatos. It operates by detecting massive energy buildups and places the voidshield in the path of the beam. It sacrifices discretion for reaction time and as such allies and enemies are equally hampered in this regard in order for the thing to work effectively. It will work on any super-high-yield direct energy weapon, such as superlasers and yamatos, and as such, as per my previous statement, you're still fucked, if only because you're so bloody stupid as to put almost all of your weapons strength into supers.

That's a warning for the next time we fight, and I'm sure it'll be soon enough.

Citing your Impeller wedge would make that quite a lively argument indeed, but then I have remained ICly quiet on the issue. However, if you really want to be a dick about me being able to counter your own tactical foolishness I can start pointing out how your impeller wedge would require a dyson sphere to power...

It’s been some time since I visited these boards…. Such a long time. But the Galactic Empires infrastructure has been secured before I left. The current direct situation is.

Empress Nightshade has been elected leader of the Empire by the council of Moffs, she is merely a figure head.

Remiel has direct control over the Imperial Navy, however Nightshade has the loyalty, in effect, if she wants the Imps to do something, they will.

Imperial and Chronosian infrastructure has not and will not mix, due to severe technological and cultural differences.

The current boundaries of the Empire remain so, Remeil has just taken the shield and sword and become a better and more competent protector than Nightshade could ever be.

The Empire is run semi-democratically with the council of Moffs. Since they have the power to get rid of the Emperor/Empress, Chronosia cannot feasibly begin mass conversion unless they have been neutralised, which would in turn cause massive civil war.

It’s been some time since I visited these boards…. Such a long time. But the Galactic Empires infrastructure has been secured before I left. The current direct situation is.

Empress Nightshade has been elected leader of the Empire by the council of Moffs, she is merely a figure head.

Remiel has direct control over the Imperial Navy, however Nightshade has the loyalty, in effect, if she wants the Imps to do something, they will.

Imperial and Chronosian infrastructure has not and will not mix, due to severe technological and cultural differences.

The current boundaries of the Empire remain so, Remeil has just taken the shield and sword and become a better and more competent protector than Nightshade could ever be.

The Empire is run semi-democratically with the council of Moffs. Since they have the power to get rid of the Emperor/Empress, Chronosia cannot feasibly begin mass conversion unless they have been neutralised, which would in turn cause massive civil war.

If that really is you Sith, and not CW using the USs account, then of course I accept this. And even if it is CW, I still do I guess.

I was never questioning the ability of Chronosia to command. I simply stated that from my point of view, things had changed to a point that the old Imperial ways are slowly eroding. As an erstwhile supporter of the 'good ole days' (much like a Moff Flennic...) I am always concerned over the Empire, even if what I do or say has no affect upon it.

Again, this is a discussion. In my point of view, FT has changed. A lot, and very quickly in a short span of time. Larger and Larger fleets are being made up, and huge-ass ships are being designed and used. And the way people are coming up with new techonolgies (not to insult those people's brilliance or desire to improve their tech) that can seem godmoddish and a fair stab at word-play. "My shields are uber strong because of this and this, so I'm still alive" being an example, if a shoddy one at that.

Again, this is a discussion. In my point of view, FT has changed. A lot, and very quickly in a short span of time.

Really? I have found things more or less the same, at least over the last two years, give or take. There will always be a few good FT RP'ers and the rest range from mediocre to pure crap. That's not my opinion, it's fact!

Larger and Larger fleets are being made up, and huge-ass ships are being designed and used.

Again that's been around quite awhile, the only real difference perhaps is that the ships simply got bigger and bigger over time, the technologies became more powerful and because of these factors it became a wank arms race which rapidly spiralled out of control long before some of you younger nations happened by. For example, when I was RP'ing a fair amount here, a really big ship was about 3-5km long and there wasn't many of them. A given nation may have had only one. As time passed, however, guess what? they got bigger still....and more of them....

Well suprize, suprize...

As thing even got more wanky, smaller and smaller nations and races somehow gained the tech for more powerful technologies, the manpower and resources for huge fleets and equally huge ships.

And the way people are coming up with new techonolgies (not to insult those people's brilliance or desire to improve their tech) that can seem godmoddish and a fair stab at word-play. "My shields are uber strong because of this and this, so I'm still alive" being an example, if a shoddy one at that.

Again as I've said in another thread, what we really lack in our small community is STANDERDIZATION.....

This lack of standardization is the core to all our problems.

If anyone tell's me during an RP their shields, armour, weapon or what have you is invincible or "uber" for whatever reason, I will ignore them, simple as that! And really, who among you hear can blame me? To this end, over time I cultivated a more critical discriminating view as to who I will actually RP with.

Does that sound elitist? Or arrogent? You bet it does! But again, I've come to that point where I've had enough. That's the honest truth. I only RP with others, who one, know my race and RP style to the point where sometimes we even play (to a very limited extent) each others characters - again, within limitations and two, we get olong and trust one another. Both of which can only come with time.

Sorry for the rant, but it had to be said and in truth I understand when we are considered a joke or a laughing stock to NS at large and the MT community in particular.

Really? I have found things more or less the same, at least over the last two years, give or take. There will always be a few good FT RP'ers and the rest range from mediocre to pure crap. That's not my opinion, it's fact!

I mean in relative to US leaving to this point in time. But I agree in your terms concerning some FT rp'ers.


Again that's been around quite awhile, the only real difference perhaps is that the ships simply got bigger and bigger over time, the technologies became more powerful and because of these factors it became a wank arms race which rapidly spiralled out of control long before some of you younger nations happened by. For example, when I was RP'ing a fair amount here, a really big ship was about 3-5km long and there wasn't many of them. A given nation may have had only one. As time passed, however, guess what? they got bigger still....and more of them....

Well suprize, suprize...

As thing even got more wanky, smaller and smaller nations and races somehow gained the tech for more powerful technologies, the manpower and resources for huge fleets and equally huge ships.

I hope that 'younger' comment wasn't aimed at me. You'll notice the date I joined is several months in advance of your own join-date.

Again I am again refering the the time period between USs leaving and now. Not the entire time NS has been here. You'd need a damned book on it to make things even remotely clear.

(in Bold) This has been largely 'new' to the FT stage. While there have been those previously to do so, a much larger number are springing from the cracks. I find them rather distateful in that they have no wish to really rp their nation correctly, making it so their history isn't just made up, but in part based on fact. I quite agree with you.



Again as I've said in another thread, what we really lack in our small community is STANDERDIZATION.....

This lack of standardization is the core to all our problems.

This is true only in part, as I will explain below.


If anyone tell's me during an RP their shields, armour, weapon or what have you is invincible or "uber" for whatever reason, I will ignore them, simple as that! And really, who among you hear can blame me? To this end, over time I cultivated a more critical discriminating view as to who I will actually RP with.

I would do the same, or at least try to bring them around to the error of their ways; but in the end, we are not all perfect. The thing with standardisation is that it leaves less room for those who dis-like star wars tech, for example, to try new things besides SW tech; thus making this game more un-fun so to speak. And no, I don't blame you. And to dicriminate at all is to blind oneself to seeing what could possibly be a good rp. It simply takes patience and a strong will. (not to imply that either those attributes are absent in your case)


Does that sound elitist? Or arrogent? You bet it does! But again, I've come to that point where I've had enough. That's the honest truth. I only RP with others, who one, know my race and RP style to the point where sometimes we even play (to a very limited extent) each others characters - again, within limitations and two, we get olong and trust one another. Both of which can only come with time.

I wouldn't say elitist, more than I would say strong headed. And if you give those new people time, they in turn can gain from rp'ing with you. You just have to make sure they listen first; and butting heads together to get a point across is useless and is a wastes of time.


Sorry for the rant, but it had to be said and in truth I understand when we are considered a joke or a laughing stock to NS at large and the MT community in particular.

I understand your need to rant, we all do occasionally. And I would say you had many valid points. FT does indeed have many problems, but they're ones that can be worked out if we are just willing to be patient and listen.

The MT community is trapped within itself by the rules of present times. And often times they are subjected to the rule of a mighty over the weak. (no names will be mentioned *cough-amf-cough* ;)) Whereas in FT its not unseen for a smaller nation to defeat a larger.

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And I wish to bring to the fore another view I have to be discussed. Usually when I rp expanding I use a small taskforce of say about 4-9 star destroyers (if that really) backed by their support crew. I recently rped such a case, and without even carefully reading MiniMeihm jumped in (to rp the opposition) with some 400 capital ships. I was to say none the less, shocked.

It seems that we've all become so accustomed to throwing around big fleets and having slug matches, that few people see the value to a such a small task force. In my view, we've all turned into commanders of the WWII Red Army: using numbers of mass waves in order to defeat an enemy. Theres just no...'beauty' to it or definition of who has great tactical skill involved. Of course word-play does take part largely in such cases, I do admit. This I believe limits us, and I have tried my best to stop using such large fleets and go back to Thrawn-like manuevers and tactics: using the least amount of force possible to gain the greatest amount of advantage and thus victory. A philosphy I am sure many would agree to, but then we're not the best of pragmatists are we?

And people moan at me and ask why im inactive..

..in my case, between plain flat out burn out, being rather weary with war threads for too much of the latter half of last RL year, and my recent bout of kidney stones, my participation has been far far less than this place deserves.

And yes, I'm one of those 'younger' nations that have been wanking. Course then again, when I joined, and saw the storefront threads that Huntear and others were operating at the time (and still do...) with even SSDs being offered rather widespread, it made wanking essentially legal in my eyes.

I did it as deliberate as possible, to make a younger nation become a major power in a unique way (whether anyone liked it or not.) with the idea of simply that it may 'be' possible in a sense, that the most massive scale the imagination can handle, can be approached in the same way as more normal levels of scale are handled.

I mean, our own world has changed in both growth and warfare in one single century, where we have gone from horse carriges to multi-hundred horsepower engines, and bare copper wire telegraph, to the internet, and where war from the beginning of the last century went from six-seven years (WWI) to barely a couple months cumalative (the two Gulf Wars, nevermind the current rubbish.)

It stands to some level of reason, even if not everything follows the same paths that more extraordinary events have. (Yeah yeah, there's still far more third world that acts like 19th century instead of 21st. Some more 15th really..) That there is enough evidence that some areas of culture, with the right resources, chance and events, will grow faster than others. It can all crash into dust as well by the same circumstances, but that's all 'chance'.

Something the rping around here might be lacking in a touch. I myself included, usually take chance out of it, and when another tries the same, egos clash more oft than nor. One of the recent inter-alliance battles/wars/spit matches, threads is no futher needed to look at for this. So how much of the FT rping here is done, whether there's big fat, mutli-ego run fleets, takes into account how much imagination is 'really' needed to comprehend of freakin big space really goddamned 'is'? If someone has rped a big fat fleet jumping into the path of a supernovae in progress (natureal or otherwise..,) I've yet to see results of it.

No one here like having their imaginary toys being broken, no matter 'who' here believes otherwise.Most of us, if not ALL of us on top of, do not really explore just how detailed, drawn out, and resource intensive holding each and every one of our empires, star fleets, and further, it all really is. In this regard, current advanced real world nations, that run major militaries effectively, are far more high in regard than we ALL here every hope to be.

I'd like someone here to rp on a daily basis, the day in, day out, day through operations of even a small element of one of our FT militaries, that would make even Tom Clancy impressed. The only ones that actually do that, are the goverment real world entiries we can't fathom operating for real.

Most of the time, we have all of these imaginary ships, fleets, worlds, empires, councils, and such, to rp the 'story' of our individual realms. The only one who possibly pays attention to all of this, beyond NS FTers, is God itself. For all the work put into having FUN rping all this extaordinary, yet totally imaginary, idealisim of our own reflections of ego and desire, it's amazing that a place that rps 'nations' in the first place, has FT at all.

Yup. Did the author of the book that led to the creation of this ENTIRE site, consider we'd be doing FT discussions in the first place? What did the rps here look like in the first days that NS existed? Was there things like FT, MT, PMT, PT, or such? I don't know, some of you more than likely do.

The point is, we've built up a set of rules, with no 'real' boundries other than populist movement (hence the seemingly sudden growth in size of fleets and such things..,) all to tell the story of our own imaginary nation.

To think we have the time to devote to such a thing, that does no good for the collective growth of our real life nations, to do nothing but... what it word?

Enjoy...

.. enjoy the rping that we do with others that happen to share intrests 'rather' close in line with each other. In using the guidelines of our own human nature, history, and the flavor of more Sci-Fi 'tools' that can be healthy for our society today, we've built our own world and universe, to play our own imaginations and stories out. (some good, some lousy, some grammar challenged.)

Hence I come back to why the hell I've rped like I have, with the size of fleets, scale of size, and breadth of imagination, that I have employed. (To some degree of chagrin apparently. Sure, no names mentioned my patuta. =--= ) Since no one here is making money doing what we do here, and fun is the factor that started our quest for the one nation to rule them all, my degree links to my scale of imagination, 'knowing' it's impossible to truly rp out all the logistics needed to deploy our fleets, even for mere homeworld defense. (all that food the troops, and all that electricity the droids need have to come from SOMEWHERE few people really rp out fully. And I mean through ALL the processes needed to get it from resource gather point to resource feed point.

Has anyone thought how many steps there is for a simple loaf of bread? How about between white and sourdough? Ahem...)

Since most of the time, we assume all needs are met resource wise to even send a fleet out, and we intend to tell a story instead, and size is relative to comfort level of the NSer telling their story, I decided to tell it on the Uber-scale, knowing that if anything is possible in an infinite universe, then ANYTHING is possible in an infinite universe. Sure, laws of physics and such taken into consideration, and with time, anything can be done, it comes down to one simple thing when dealing with each 'other' as FT NSers here, and therefore why I rp as 'I' do here.

How to interact effectively, with the other rpers, to tell the story where our specific NS nation gets the attention. Aye, I'm guilty as everyone else here of wanting glory hogging, even I'm doing it as a good guy nation. Going back to the reasons stated initially, the burnout/kidney stone one, not being able to give full attention as deserved, add to it now, having to worry about others that have been here longer than myself, and other 'younger' nations, (which constitutes elitisim, my prefered pet peeve,) to toe the line, or not be paied attention to, because they're too worried about things going out of control, it does hurt some knowing my prefered rp style, size and whatnot, does not bring rpers in more than I'd like.

Saying that, I have no intention to contract ANYTHING, from either fleet size, size or empire, or anything else I have established at present. If not for the burn out and stones, I'd be around more to be sure. (nevermind the crap Jolt Formus have been pulling for the past six months, another major reason I keep losing interest.)

I say as such, because in the end, my idea of a storyline, is very expansive, I acknowledge that this vast universe can be traversed at any scale, and again, in an infinite universe, ANYTHING can happen. Therefore my storylines are evolved from this, and this is the level my participation comes from. It is all not done to make major wars and invasions on other NSers needlessly (like some others apparently, whatever their size.) Can't be a good guy nation, and make such wars without reason. Never said I was pacifist, and my fleet sizes reflect my own taste for cool tech.

And yes, I 'do' believe in the 'power of Gods' aspect in my rping, which is a core element of my storyline as well. If anything, it's not the fleets that's my central focus, even with my 500km behemoth, but rather the power of one person and his family, which is my focus to be more powerful than any mere weapon can be.

Silly, yes. But the power of famliy is more my main 'weapon', than superlasers and subspace weapons. The Hikari Trees are my reflection of a hope I personally feel is lacking in this real world, where people empathic to each other in some way, truly cherished in hope and prosperity, lacking in the cynical elements this world feels too much. (Or at least I do from some RL experience.) That it can stand against anything.

Heck, I'm suprised no one has openly questioned my use of heaven and hell as well. How about cross dimensional existence? Hell, I'm suprised some 'actual' scientist with more degrees than a thermometer, hasn't come in and lambasted us ALL in the same vein, why we can't rp breaking concepts of established real world physics and such.

If we're going to have discussions about complaints about limits, one better consider other places that could complain about limiting what we do ALTOGETHER. Given I won't do that, no one is SERIOUSLY doing the same, and we're supposed to have fun, then my concepts of what my rping feels important therefore precludes the concept of limiting anything, as long as my rping isn't directly insulting anyone.

Aye, I can't control whether people here like my style of doing things, and can't make them enter my rps. Repsect is all I ask for instead, the same for other rpers that at least try to come here for fun, and no be so worried about whether the size of a fleet is realisitic.

Nothing here at all is realistic. No money is made for anyone here, and we're doing it for fun. If you're here not for fun, good god man (or woman) go away, get. Go play checkers instead. Lacking fun just drags things down for others man (or woman. =^^= )

So, fun.. check.

Storyline for our nation.. check.

Prefered soda or beverage of choice.. check the fridge.

If respect is confered, the moral and reality compass is set, and people TG each other before major NS conflicts, no matter what fleet size, then what the heck is the problem? If we're so worried about resources being exhausted, on a realistic scale, then we've well past the point where the visible universe is an empty husk, dryer and more bare bone than my fridge before a grocery run. (and it gets there at times. =^^= ) Heck, every planet in the universe, especially in the Milky Way Galaxy, should be occupied by now, and empty as my stomach was before noon. (Ate a chicken dinner as I was writting this disertation, yum.)

In the end, I think the reason why we're having this discussion, is because there are people willing to bend rules, and other don't like that. Is it really about force size? Or is it about rping with too many agressive bad boy type nations around here. It's like when I was playing Diablo II online, too many people preyed on weaker characters, many times outside established (though unrecognized) game boundries. Unwritten rules and all that.

My complaint then, is possibly 'why' all these uber fleets are being made all too easily, simply because too many of the older NSers here, are using their elder status to bully others in rps. They complain when the younger nations have fleets and don't allow the larger ones to walk over them. Gee, there's that ego thing on 'both' sides.

Aye, the GE has had a problem with this. I've noted more than a few threads where Chronosia comes in, (more than a few others, Chrono just comes to mind by name and example...) and makes an incharacter post that intimidates other nations. Of course if in a REAL battle, if all of FT existed for real (goddess forbid...) Chronosia would pummel most nations to dust.

If the GFFA and GE had a 'real' war, the hate would not be so funny to deal with. In trying to simulate this realisim, there's something going askew here, and when younger nations have suddenly larger fleets, or even superships, the larger, more inline rule nations complain, possibly not realizing that to the younger nations, this means that they may want the younger under the elder's heel.

Something along these lines 'is' going along the mindsets of some nations out there, in both directions. I'm not in any alliance, or rping very many wars against any nation directly, 'because' of this very mindset and unwritten rule set. It's not fun to get in the middle of what essentially becomes a pising contest between egos. I'm not here for that. It seems all the alliances 'do' is end up fighting each other, not very well for the most part. Not as nations, but as egos.

In the end, all my concepts is for story alone, and not for ego-pissing contests. FT is for fun for me, and nothing less. If I was using my fleets to attack other nations, godmoddish or not, I'd expect chiding. But just because someone 'has' the big ship and/or fleet, isn't enough to complain.

That's all the NRA/Anti-Gun debate were entering into her folks. That's for the General section. =--=

I'm here for fun, everything fun above, mentioned in the past, and not mentioned here included. Danke for reading all of this. =^^= (Now my fingers hurt.)

FT does indeed have many problems, but they're ones that can be worked out if we are just willing to be patient and listen.

Listen to this man, he speaks the truth.


It seems that we've all become so accustomed to throwing around big fleets and having slug matches, that few people see the value to a such a small task force. In my view, we've all turned into commanders of the WWII Red Army: using numbers of mass waves in order to defeat an enemy. Theres just no...'beauty' to it or definition of who has great tactical skill involved. Of course word-play does take part largely in such cases, I do admit. This I believe limits us, and I have tried my best to stop using such large fleets and go back to Thrawn-like manuevers and tactics: using the least amount of force possible to gain the greatest amount of advantage and thus victory. A philosphy I am sure many would agree to, but then we're not the best of pragmatists are we?

This is a good method, and if you really practice it, you have my respect.

Me, I force myself to have small fleets by having no more than twelve capital ships, total, at any one time. Unfortunately, in order to deal with those who toss around thousands of ISDs casually (because ignoring people is something I do in only the direst circumstances of OOC cockery,) I have to have a rather high 'upper limit' on the power level of each of those warships. (Though, with the way I RP, the upper limit is just that, an upper limit. If someone sends a less powerful force, I scale back my abilities so that one of my ships is not an insurmountable foe.)

Well, that and I love to wank. I just love it to death.

Truth be told, my views on wank are somewhat different than the standard NS fare. I can tolerate just about any wank in high amounts [exception: temporal technology, which I have a heady OOC distaste for,] so long as it's well RPed. The problem is that many of these people who wank don't RP well at all, in my opinion. It's like:

"I deploy my 8000 Imperial Mark II Star Destroyers. They fire 512000 10 teraton HTL blasts at your ship. Post losses."

Now me, I don't mind dealing with teraton level weapons. Sure it's rather unrealistic, but so are the extremely vast majority of FTL drives, as well as a lot of other FT tech we take for granted. However, what I don't like is RPing with someone who just puts up yields and numbers without having any actual descriptive meat to a post. Call me an elitist prick, but I feel that if you want to claim uberpower, you should put some effort into it. Each of your ships should be written in such a way as to evoke a feeling of uberness. Your weapons shouldn't do 'five teratons of damage,' they should be shown, rather than told, if you catch my meaning.

C'tan is really one of few the people I've seen who RPs uberpower in a way that I personally find acceptable.

I guess I'll also use this space to rant about one of my other pet peeves: Originality. I can accept that some people want a SW or ST or whatever themed nation. This is in of itself fine. But when someone takes some unholy hybrid of SW, ST, 40k, the Culture, the Xeelee, and god knows what else and tries to 'pwn' someone else, it really gets tiresome. When it's done, it usually reeks of powergaming, though I admit that some people can pull it off well. Usually, this means starting with one techbase and slowly working your way into another through detailed trade/research RPs.

I really like it when someone has their own original stuff. It's a blast to interact with someone who has actually came up with their own equipment, their own ships, and especially their own society, but I can accept interacting with a SW, 40k, whatever themed nation. It's just the inconsistencies that get to me. Like a nation which is based around the ST Federation intentionally developing planetkilling/sterilizing weapons. That is totally out of character for any sort of UFP based government, and it just reeks of inconsistencies. If you're going to go and replicate the UFP down to such detail, don't be a twit and do something so out of character with your source material. Otherwise, what's the point of RPing as a UFP-ish race at all?

And finally, I feel the need to mention 'ascended' beings and their scions, so-called gods that are nigh-omnipotent and allow a five million man nation to pwninate a six billion one that has been RPing longer then the 'ascended' have been around. Frankly, I've only met perhaps one or two players who can pull off an 'ascended' nation without having the entire thing reek of powergaming and trying to 'one up' other players. The rest just sort of suck due to a combination of poor writing and too liberal use of uberpower.

Most ascended nations I've come across here have misused their uberpower, sometimes by wiping away another player's fleet/homeworld/armies/people/government with a glance and a flick of their wrist. This is, in case you haven't realized it by now, is in my opinion a gross misuse of uberpower.

To throw in my two cents, the reason as I see it that the younger nations can come up with these huge fleets is that the storefronts (not just the storefronts, but they make the most attraction often among younger players who know what they're doing, not n00bs) offer huge ships and tech at low prices, affordable for younger nations (you could classify me in the newer-player group, technically, even though I have more posts than some of you). And the sheer firepower and numerical situation that the larger nations and factions utilize puts some pressure on the newer guys to muster some sort of a defense so that they are not absolutely wiped out (even though, in RL, that's what would happen, but hey, what fun is that...).

Now I'll stop before I make one of those huge posts that takes 10 minutes to read...

And finally, I feel the need to mention 'ascended' beings and their scions, so-called gods that are nigh-omnipotent and allow a five million man nation to pwninate a six billion one that has been RPing longer then the 'ascended' have been around. Frankly, I've only met perhaps one or two players who can pull off an 'ascended' nation without having the entire thing reek of powergaming and trying to 'one up' other players. The rest just sort of suck due to a combination of poor writing and too liberal use of uberpower.
Here here. The only good way to use Gods is indirectly. Having nigh-unkillable beings that can do whatever the hell they want to reality actually take part in a battle is a bit out there. Sure, have them watching, inspiring your troops, etc., but to actually have them reach down and blow an entire enemy fleet/planet/whatever out of the water is just plain bad sportsmanship.

The best way to go about having Gods, IMHO, is roughly the method Chronosia and I (in my Khurgan persona) use: the Gods are there, they have a plan, they grant their followers a modicum of power, but they're far too busy doing much more important things in their own dimension (like, say, playing twister or watching The Price Is Right) to actually reach down and win a battle for their followers.

If the god's followers cannot win the battle, then they were not good enough to be that god's followers so if they perish, oh well.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Me, I force myself to have small fleets by having no more than twelve capital ships, total, at any one time. Unfortunately, in order to deal with those who toss around thousands of ISDs casually (because ignoring people is something I do in only the direst circumstances of OOC cockery,) I have to have a rather high 'upper limit' on the power level of each of those warships.

I really agree with you here, CF. I simply use (population / ships = power, power + RPing skill = fleet power). I don't really dislike wankers, but it's people who wank to the extremes (Like Scandivinians, or Hobeebia), without having a great plot reason for doing so, that really get my goat. Y'see, whenever someone pulls out a two-million ship fleet, and they've got 5 million NS pop, and RP with one-liners, I figure each of those ships stand a fair chance of hurting an unarmed child.

It's like:

"I deploy my 8000 Imperial Mark II Star Destroyers. They fire 512000 10 teraton HTL blasts at your ship. Post losses."

Yeah. Through recent years, good RPers seem to be declining. I won't reminsce about the good old days, but, as it is, the utter crapload of horrible RPers seem to chase away people who actually care about the story, want to develop their characters, rather than having uber-killers of death who can jump across space, land on a planet, and get up, brush their slightly mussed hair, and go save the day.

C'tan is really one of few the people I've seen who RPs uberpower in a way that I personally find acceptable.

And you, CF. You may have twelve capital ships, but you're right up there with Kanuck, and maybe even *shudders* Mekanta, in influence.

Most ascended nations I've come across here have misused their uberpower, sometimes by wiping away another player's fleet/homeworld/armies/people/government with a glance and a flick of their wrist. This is, in case you haven't realized it by now, is in my opinion a gross misuse of uberpower.

Well, in most cases, people don't recognize those so-called 'superpowers'. I mean, eventually, they might be recognised by good RPers.

In all seriousness, people just wank for no reason these days. This is the biggest detriment to FT, because it makes other people wank. I mean, sure, the occasional superpower is fine, so long as they're willing to accept the responsbility, the amount of RPing, the quality of RPing needed, and the ability to toe the line in what they do. Unfortunately, most people just don't seem to realise that, with rights, come responsibilities. That's why the Eternal Empire is a madman chewing on his socks, with delusions, in my reality.

It just really seems sad, because, these days, you can tell what's going to happen in every first contact. Fully armed battlecruisers will arrive, armed to the teeth, because every nation has enough ships to cruise around space, having drunken parties, and hiring hookers...