NationStates Jolt Archive

So I was working on this map right, and as I was putting down the ethanol crops and oil reserves, I started thinking. There is no one way to invade my nation. Now, I'm not bragging, or saying its not possible in certain situations, (like, I don't know, getting invaded by AMF, Doomingsland, Praetonia, and Sarzonia at the same time), but it would be extremly difficult for someone about my size to invade successfully. Heres why.
Resources (http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3830/majorresourcesramissle1nv.jpg)
Ok, theres the map. Notice the location of the Ethanol, oil, and major crops. And that brings me to my first point.
Location, location, location.
Seeing where my nation is located in Irathria (http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5108/florintinecontinentislandadd3p.jpg), it would be almost insane to invade in the traditional way of driving your fleet up to the shore and bombarding it to hell. Insane. Why? Location. Ramissle has shores on both the inner sea and outer sea in Irathria. The inner sea would be a bad idea because of how hard it would be to get into, because of the PROPOSED defense fleet in the area, and because of the close proximity of nations in the continent you would almost definatly have to go through someone elses seas besides my own. Plus, with the time it would take you to go from outside the continent to the inner sea, I would have already detected your fleet and destroyed it somehow. Now, I guess it would be safe to assume that you should attack from the outer sea. WRONG! Commercial ships going from the islands up north back to the mainland are regularly patrolled by military ships, and the navy also preforms exersises in the area quite often. Not to mention the fleet permenatly stationed at the oil feilds in the middle of the ocean, and the coastal defense platforms and mines inshore. So basically, early detection AND an already stationed navy for you to face in the outer sea. Hooray!

Resources
Ok, so lets just say you've taken either the islands to the north, the mainland, or Florintine. You can just burn the fields and my people will slowly die of starvation and my military will run out of ethanol, right? Wrong. Seeing how I have enough ethanol fields in every area to support the nation with rationing for, well, ever(trust me, I did the math), you cant just stop trade from the breadbasket of the nation Florintine to Ramissle (or vice-versa) and expect to kill us all.
Ok, lets say you've invented a blight for my corn/sugarcane/whatever crops and now I can't grow anything for ethanol anywhere. Ok. But did you remember to destroy my oil fields as well? Probably not. And even if you did, I am almost positive you have not destroyed the defenses around it without moving your forces from somewhere else that they need to be, like oppressing my peoples.

Ha! One of your neighbors let me invade overland!
Ok, but can you even get in? The northern border of Ramissle with Truit is full of mountains, and military bases. I wouldn't even TRY to invade through the northern border with ICCD, because then you would have to get through Florintine or my navy in the ocean anyways. But now your going to try the southern border with ICCD! Excellent! Now get passed the defensive line put there specifically to deal with invaders!*

But I captured your Capital City!
Great! But did you remember to capture Florintines capital too? Didn't think so. Something you'll probably forget is that Ramissle is not just "The Incorperation of Ramissle", it is really "The Incorperation of Ramissle-Florintine". So even if you completly obliterate one, theres a slim chance that you've destroyed the other half. Not to mention Florintine has its own formidible military anyways.

So I think I've proved I'm right. But thats not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to prove me wrong. Do it, please, so I can improve my nation.

Um, notes
This is assuming (which is making an ass out of you and me. Ha!) that I bring my military back up to par with my size. Right now, after coming out of a deep sleep, its not up to where it should be. This is being done right now, and will probably be completed withen the week.

* This hasn't been built yet. I've got plans for it, but I've been too lazy this week to put them up. Don't worry, it WILL exist.

So go ahead, prove me wrong. I dare you!

Now, I WILL admit this is an INCREDible defence, but you've forgotten a couple things:

1. I don't care how good your position is, a big enough army can kill it.

2. One word: Nukes.

Now, I WILL admit this is an INCREDible defence, but you've forgotten a couple things:

1. I don't care how good your position is, a big enough army can kill it.

2. One word: Nukes.

1. I said someone about my size, so I doubt they would have an army much bigger than mine should be.

2. Yeah, but thats the cheap way of invading. If its not RPed well enough, I probably would just ignore that.

Well, the obvious thing youv'e done is give any potential enemy the stats to "count the cost" of invading you. If it was all added up, and the cost was prohibitive, then some sort of WMD situation would be the key to neutralizing Ramissle. Not a popular method to be sure, but a more cost-effective one.

Again, if it wasn't RPed well enough, I would probably ignore WMDs.

But if its RPed well, I would allow them, because that type of RP can be fun too.

So I was working on this map right, and as I was putting down the ethanol crops and oil reserves, I started thinking. There is no one way to invade my nation. Now, I'm not bragging, or saying its not possible in certain situations, (like, I don't know, getting invaded by AMF, Doomingsland, Praetonia, and Sarzonia at the same time), but it would be extremly difficult for someone about my size to invade successfully. Heres why.
Resources (http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3830/majorresourcesramissle1nv.jpg)
Ok, theres the map. Notice the location of the Ethanol, oil, and major crops. And that brings me to my first point.
Location, location, location.
Seeing where my nation is located in Irathria (http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/5108/florintinecontinentislandadd3p.jpg), it would be almost insane to invade in the traditional way of driving your fleet up to the shore and bombarding it to hell. Insane. Why? Location. Ramissle has shores on both the inner sea and outer sea in Irathria. The inner sea would be a bad idea because of how hard it would be to get into, because of the PROPOSED defense fleet in the area, and because of the close proximity of nations in the continent you would almost definatly have to go through someone elses seas besides my own. Plus, with the time it would take you to go from outside the continent to the inner sea, I would have already detected your fleet and destroyed it somehow. Now, I guess it would be safe to assume that you should attack from the outer sea. WRONG! Commercial ships going from the islands up north back to the mainland are regularly patrolled by military ships, and the navy also preforms exersises in the area quite often. Not to mention the fleet permenatly stationed at the oil feilds in the middle of the ocean, and the coastal defense platforms and mines inshore. So basically, early detection AND an already stationed navy for you to face in the outer sea. Hooray!

Resources
Ok, so lets just say you've taken either the islands to the north, the mainland, or Florintine. You can just burn the fields and my people will slowly die of starvation and my military will run out of ethanol, right? Wrong. Seeing how I have enough ethanol fields in every area to support the nation with rationing for, well, ever(trust me, I did the math), you cant just stop trade from the breadbasket of the nation Florintine to Ramissle (or vice-versa) and expect to kill us all.
Ok, lets say you've invented a blight for my corn/sugarcane/whatever crops and now I can't grow anything for ethanol anywhere. Ok. But did you remember to destroy my oil fields as well? Probably not. And even if you did, I am almost positive you have not destroyed the defenses around it without moving your forces from somewhere else that they need to be, like oppressing my peoples.

Ha! One of your neighbors let me invade overland!
Ok, but can you even get in? The northern border of Ramissle with Truit is full of mountains, and military bases. I wouldn't even TRY to invade through the northern border with ICCD, because then you would have to get through Florintine or my navy in the ocean anyways. But now your going to try the southern border with ICCD! Excellent! Now get passed the defensive line put there specifically to deal with invaders!*

But I captured your Capital City!
Great! But did you remember to capture Florintines capital too? Didn't think so. Something you'll probably forget is that Ramissle is not just "The Incorperation of Ramissle", it is really "The Incorperation of Ramissle-Florintine". So even if you completly obliterate one, theres a slim chance that you've destroyed the other half. Not to mention Florintine has its own formidible military anyways.

So I think I've proved I'm right. But thats not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to prove me wrong. Do it, please, so I can improve my nation.

Um, notes
This is assuming (which is making an ass out of you and me. Ha!) that I bring my military back up to par with my size. Right now, after coming out of a deep sleep, its not up to where it should be. This is being done right now, and will probably be completed withen the week.

* This hasn't been built yet. I've got plans for it, but I've been too lazy this week to put them up. Don't worry, it WILL exist.

So go ahead, prove me wrong. I dare you!

It'd take a fairly big alliance and a combined Ocean/Air attack, but the tactics would essencially be the same. Tactical nuclear strikes to major population /crop growth areas. Special forces raids on lightly held oil field areas, bridges and infrastructure. Invade one nation first, and use special forces and bombing raids on the other to keep them busy. Eventually, you mount a major land attack against the remaining nation, and slowly, piece by piece, charge inwards. Keep up the bombing strikes, maybe a few more tactical nuclear strikes to the more distant targets, and with enough manpower it can be done.

Admitidly, it'd be one MOTHERFUCKINGHUGEASS invasion force to be needed.

Well, then you see, there IS this:

1. Burn all the crops. Bomb all the oil wells. Bomb all critical points (communication and ports too, also any RADAR)

2. Bombard your capital to heck. Then, once we've taken one caital, take that part of the country (no mountains to hide behind.)

3. Build up a force, and repeat for other side.

Yep. And I guess that would be my point: It would be an EXTREMLY large invasion for a relitivly smaller nation (2 billion small? Considering I should be around 4 right now, yes.)

A more simple solution, use something that armies have relied on for centuries, called tactics, and hope to hell that you have a better grasp of tactics than your enemy does.

Well, then you see, there IS this:

1. Burn all the crops. Bomb all the oil wells. Bomb all critical points (communication and ports too, also any RADAR)

2. Bombard your capital to heck. Then, once we've taken one caital, take that part of the country (no mountains to hide behind.)

3. Build up a force, and repeat for other side.
Aha! A somewhat-cost efficient way of invading!

Well this SHOULD be taken care of once I get my air defense platforms all set and bought (you know, those things that TPM sells that have a crapload of missles on them? Yeah, those.)

But I guess for now, you've got it.

@ The Macabees
Ha ha ha ha ha. Your probably right, I don't have a firm grasp of what some people like to refer to as "tactics". Must be all those failed invasions and failed defenses in the past. XD

Ramissle, check TG

Done.

It wouldn't be that hard to invade your mainland. I can already think of several ways of doing it effectively.

Would you like to share? I mean, that is the point of this thread, to better my nation through constructive critisism.

Have each protective nation with SDI systems. XD

Satilites right? Well, considering I don't RP with people who bomb with satilites, I guess it wouldn't be fair to RP with defense systems either.

Satilites right? Well, considering I don't RP with people who bomb with satilites, I guess it wouldn't be fair to RP with defense systems either.


No... a anti-ICBM satellite that will destroy it, but cannot be used for aggressive purposes....generally.

No... a anti-ICBM satellite that will destroy it, but cannot be used for aggressive purposes....generally.
I meant since I don't let people bombard me with satilites, it wouldnt be fair for me to use satilite based defenses either.

But then again, considering that the offensive satilites I don't rp with are considered WMD's, then I guess I could RP with defense systems.

I meant since I don't let people bombard me with satilites, it wouldnt be fair for me to use satilite based defenses either.

But then again, considering that the offensive satilites I don't rp with are considered WMD's, then I guess I could RP with defense systems.

Consider the International stance on no weapons in space (held in space) and you can use it because its defensive.

Got it. Works for me.

You do have one huge shield though lol!

Ha ha. The whole continent is my shield.

Though the shield won't work if someone allies with them or turns against you....then your shield will be your demise...just remember that.

Whilst I admit that this defence is o-k, it's not infallable. Firstly, it would be fairly easy to split your nation in two by blockading the middle strait thing between the two halves of your nation and then simply firebomb your ethanol crops, Etc.* I also seriously doubt your ability to "destroy [my] navy somehow" which is just a vague assertion upon which you've based a large proportion of your defence strategy. Furthermore, a lot of things you seem to have cited as good defensive aspects of your nation begin 'But did you remember...'. Well yes, actually, if I (or any other competent power) were attacking your nation we would not simply 'forget' to destroy your oil fields, or attack both halves of your nation. I don't doubt that it would be difficult to drive a fleet into the archepelago of islands between the two parts of your nation, ultimately the 'outer sea' makes your nation just as vulnerable as any other and I daresay that my navy is likely to be more powerful than yours.

*'Gasahol' is not awfully efficient anyway, and for ethanol to be extracted and refined to sufficient concentrations to be used in fuel requires heavy industry which is easily targetted and destroyed. It isnt just a case of growing acres and acres of crops and then squeezing free oil out of them into your car.

I mean...nations going against you so you have an enemy on your borders and that enemies can push their armies through into yours by sheer force and numerical superiority.

Really, I would air-slag your nation...just destroy everything I possibly could with air strikes/missile strikes to set up an invasion.

Nah, I can find plenty of ways to breach you. It'd just cost alot. Its tough, but not nearly impenetrable.

One major thing, if your communications are jammed than you are likly to be screwed. I jam your comms, send in my navy to destroy ships [hopefully](which are having trouble communicating with each other) Launch ground assults, supported by my HAB-91 Desolators and LAB-19 Havocs escorted by my E-09 Guardians, along various weak points on your shores and, move inland, do the same to the other half...

Nah, I can find plenty of ways to breach you. It'd just cost alot. Its tough, but not nearly impenetrable.
Likewise. No garrison or bastion is impentrable, but merely more difficult to enter.

Meh. Off the top of my head I can think of several ways to invade you already without nukes. I can't afford any of them, and my military isn't quite strong enough, but it's possible.

For instance:

- Fry electronics with EMP or wide ranged NEM. Knock out oil fields and urban centers, cause havoc, kill warships with massive missile volleys, bring in your uber army and invade. Repeat as necessary.

And this is just the simplest. ^_^