NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, im not too sure how this works, so i'd be glad if a more expieriened player could take over. Basically we start in 1789, and end in 1825. (We will work out time duration, like 1 year=1 day) If you agree to sign up for this, please tell me. Then once confirmed by me, choose an empire as follows. (This is NOTbased on historical accuracy. Every nation begins in a so called, time of political "chaos." Each nation may choose one of the following political systems.

Absolute Monarchy

Constitutional Monarchy

Millitary Dictatorship

Democratic Republic

Allied States (must have annexed several nations)

Empire (Must control at least 2 kingdoms.)

Once confirmed please choose an empire (once again I want a very expierienced player to take over, if you are willing, give me a telegram, or e-mail me at ocelot_37@hotmail.com)

France

Great Britan

Austria

Prussia

Poland

Russia

Spain

Portugal

Kingdom of Italy (subject to change)

Ottoman

Denmark & Norway

Sweeden

Now, the point of this is to control all nations. For example, lets say russia raises an army of 800,000 men. Then, Sweeden, Poland, and Austria all fall to them. They then have annexed 3 nations. Details will be made between an expierinced player of my choosing and I. For example, once you are annexed, you are kicked out of the thread. But, if you are able to conquer a nation, lets say (figures subject to change) of thier remaining forces, 35% of thier survving men join your forces, as well as all the money in thier treasury. We will try to stay fairly simple and not get too complex.

I want for each nation to begin with a differnt amount of money, men, and pop growth.

Example:

Austria

Enlisted men: 130,000
(Millitary growth: 2% per year)

Treasury: 400 million Florins
(Yearly income: 53 million Florins)

France

Enlisted men: 185,000
(Growth: 3% per year)

Treasury: 230 million florins
(Yearly income: 32 million Francs)

Anyway, as for how to change your army growth an income, well, as i've said before, me and a PRO RPER will work it out.

Check with me if you are interested. Please do not join to spam, as you will be instantly kicked. Also, if this thread goes UNRESPONDED TO, 3 days after I post it, I will delete it.

Once again, if you are a PRO and are interested in working something out with me, contact me through telegram, or at ocelot_37@hotmail.com.

Final warning: No noobs!!! (ex: Well my 15 guys take out your army of 200,000 cuz im so sexy!) none of that. Be preapred to use math (however basic) to calculate losses. This is an honor based game. If you lose 100,000 men, deduct them from your army. I will periodically keep track, and boot all cheaters.



Basically I love the history of this era.

I am decreasing the deletion time to 48 hours. IF THIS THREAD IS NOT REPLIED TO IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS, I will delete it.

A very interesting idea to be sure... I'm not so sure that there will be many people that will want to play... but if you need help running it, you can count me in.

I'll take Great Britain

So what is your expiereience with nationstates, and RPing? Also, why do you think NOBODY is signing up? Also you can have Great Britan.

Announcment:

I will allow this thread to move slowly, to accomadate peoples needs. Every day, people can either make moves or not. If you make a move, and so does evry1 else playing, you can make another (in the duration of say, a day). Once again, this game will move at a slow pace, so that no1 is left behind. You must however, be prepared to respond at least once every 48 hours, or face being booted.

So what is your expiereience with nationstates, and RPing? Also, why do you think NOBODY is signing up? Also you can have Great Britan.

My experience is vast. I'm playing (or have played) in about 20 different RPs, inluding the 21st century RP right now. If you want a complete listing, go to search and type in my name.

I don't think anyone is signing up becuase the time period is really strange. I think a lot of people (including myself) would ratehr play a MT game. But I'll settle for this. I like the concept.

Thanks... if you want help modding this, let me know.

Well seeing as nobody is going to sign up besdies you, lets just say fuck it right now, eh? And what exactly do you mean by people not likeing the time? Would a 1770 to 1845 game be more appealing? Or is it just that people arent interested in the napoleonic era?:confused:

This Rp has potential, however you might want to lose the 48-hour boot rule though, or at least make it more like five days or so. I figure most people won't be able to post once every 48 hours all the time. Another possible deterent is that there is another Napoleanic era Rp going on right now that is just barly full, so they may have attracted your audience

I'd like to play as either France, Prussia, or Austria if confirmed.

Can I be an Elective Monarchy*? I would definately like to Be Prussia.

*An Elective monarchy is where you well... Elect the King.

Well seeing as nobody is going to sign up besdies you, lets just say fuck it right now, eh? And what exactly do you mean by people not likeing the time? Would a 1770 to 1845 game be more appealing? Or is it just that people arent interested in the napoleonic era?:confused:

The whole problem is... the Napoleonic era... is well... a little boring in this kind of setup. It can be made fun... and I personally think this will be fun. But most people would rather fighter with bombers and cruise missiles rather than cannon.

I love Napoleanic era, but it tends to work better playing single battles. I'll give this a try though. Could we start a bit earlier, say 1850? If yes, put me down as Piedmont. Otherwise, I'll choose whatever no one else wants.

Could I possibly be the Russian Empire?

Im just gonna make a small factfile of Russia in 1789
(feel free to make any conscrutive critisims)

Russia had become a large power following the reign of Peter the Great. Russia saw large expansion and modernization. Peter created the foundations for the Russian Navy. Following Peter's death, the Era of Palace Revolutions happened, in which a series of changes of the crown, in which many people became czar. Russia took an increasingly involved role in Europe, in the War of the Polish Succesion, the 7 year's war and it saw expanse into Ottoman territory to the south. Then came the era of Catherine II. Catherine II expanded Russian territory even further, aquiring parts of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia and parts of Ottoman territory. Catherine II continued Peter the Great's policies and "westernization". Catherine II the great still sits on the throne.

Pop: 70-90 million (this is my estimate)

More to come!

Im just gonna make a small factfile of Russia in 1789
(feel free to make any conscrutive critisims)

Russia had become a large power following the reign of Peter the Great. Russia saw large expansion and modernization. Peter created the foundations for the Russian Navy. Following Peter's death, the Era of Palace Revolutions happened, in which a series of changes of the crown, in which many people became czar. Russia took an increasingly involved role in Europe, in the War of the Polish Succesion, the 7 year's war and it saw expanse into Ottoman territory to the south. Then came the era of Catherine II. Catherine II expanded Russian territory even further, aquiring parts of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia and parts of Ottoman territory. Catherine II continued Peter the Great's policies and "westernization". Catherine II the great still sits on the throne.

Pop: 70-90 million (this is my estimate)

More to come!

the population of Russia is actually about 35 million at this time (remember, Russia still hasen't taken much south of Kazakhstan) but everything else is good.

If anyone wants a good population estimate, go to http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/

the population of Russia is actually about 35 million at this time (remember, Russia still hasen't taken much south of Kazakhstan) but everything else is good.

If anyone wants a good population estimate, go to http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/
Thanks for the site, I missed by so much.

NP, I've done worse
Also, I'll try to make a good representation of each country's basic position in 1789, if anyone cares to look before they chose (they are in descending order of likeleness to win it all at this time, in my opinion)

France: The begining of the French revoultion, but it has yet to spiral out of control. The french army is the strongest in the world, but it's currently tearing itself to shreds with constant infighting and rebellions

Austria: Austria is at the height of it's power, with a large empire and influence in Italy, the balkans, and poland. It has alot of puppet states, such as Lombardy in Italy and Moldavia and Wallachia on the Ottoman border.

Prussia: a mere thirty years after winning the seven year's war, Prussia is nationalistic and bold, with a highly trained but small in numbers type of military. Prussia is also experiencing some domestic troubles in the polish territory it took in the partions of poland.

Britian: A booming trade with the colonies of India and canada, the British are wealthy. They are also becoming industrialized quickly and have a well-trained and decent army. They also have an amazingly large fleet, with disciplined crews and good commanders.

Russia: Large territory and biggest population. However, the population isn't very Nationalistic, as only about half the people controlled are Russian. Also,
The Russian military is large and cumbersome, with the biggest army in the world but one of the worst trained (not really bad, but bad)

Ottomans: A proud country that has slowly decayed over the past century, and unified by religion and nothing else. The provinces of Tripolitania, Tunisia , and Algeria are booming in the Piracy buisness, and are feeling little loyalty to the Sultan in Istanbul.

Italy: Still dis-unified, the countries of two Sicilies, Peidomont, and Lombardy control most of the region, and the rest is held by Genoa, tuscany and the papal states. The states are feirce rivals and often war for little reason at all

Norway and denmark: Not much information, however they do have a sizeable army and scandinavian ambitions. A rival of Sweeden and they war on and off for years on end

Sweeden: Similar to Denmark-Norway, but larger and has a better econemy. They also are itching to retake the land Peter the great took from them. The finns in the eastern part of their country are also looking for independence.

Poland: Lost alot of territory in the previous 40 years, going from one of the continent's biggest countries to one of the most insignificant. Polish people are spread under the control of the Austrians, Russians, and Prussians

Spain: Holds almost all land in the america's west of the mississippi and south of the current Candian- American border. However, Spain has fallen from one of teh most prominent nations in Europe to one with declining influence, as It has a small army and a poor econemy.

Portugual: Ally of Britian for almost 450 years, Portugual has a decently sized military but a very loyal population that is ready to fight any invader. Has (in my opinion) the worst chance of conquering the continent
also, I found a map of europe in 1800
http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1800.htm

Nice find, which country are you again?

I'm France

I think i;ve already claimed Prussia Before you. But since you came up with that factbook stuff, He'll Approve you instead of me. If that happens, i'll quit.

I think i;ve already claimed Prussia Before you. But since you came up with that factbook stuff, He'll Approve you instead of me. If that happens, i'll quit.

Okay, I wont take Prussia then. I'll just take France

Can I take Denmark and Norway as an empire with an absolute monarchy?

Ok, this is not in any way official, I'll let New Ausha figure that out
but so far, i think it stands like this (took the list from the OP):

France - Kamy kamy

Great Britan

Austria

Prussia - Defuniak

Poland

Russia - Me! (Franberry)

Spain

Portugal

Kingdom of Italy (subject to change)

Ottoman

Denmark & Norway - The Scandinvans

Sweeden


More people should sign up!!!

Thanks.

OMG....this threads picking up steam :eek:

Anyway, i've looked it over, and decided the following...

Geneticon- Great Britan

Kamy kamy- France

Defuniak- Prussia (This does not include the German Confederation, which was sepearte in 1789.)

The Russian Empire- Franberry

Denmark & Norway - The Scandinvans

Austria- Me (New Ausha)

Ottoman Empire- N/A

Sweeden- N/A

The Kingdon of Naples: N/A

Updates:

Nobody choose you political systems yet, ok? Wait till we start the game.

The new boot rule is: If you dont post 3 days since your last post, you are booted.

Guys do not get carried away with historical accuracy. As I said, this is almost completely fictional. When we begin the game, I will post how many troops each nation begings with, wats in thier treasury, and such.

This is my basic idea for soldiers, and soldier production:

Example:

Russia

Troops=300,000
Growth(per year)+23,000

You can buy: (With notifing me first)


Basic Barricks: +25,000 men (per ea province they are built in, 1 per province) cost: 40 million
Conscription posts:+15,000 men (ea province) cost: 30 million
Millitary academys:+65,000 men (ea province) cost: 150 million
Stables:+20,000 cavalry (ea province) cost: 100 million
Advanced Barracks:+80,000 men (ea province) cost: 200 million
Firing Ranges: 1 time only: 150,000 solderis upgraded to lvl 2
Founries: +40 cannons (ea province) cost: 50 million
Advanced foundires: +70 cannons (ea province) cost: 120 million
Advanced stables: + 34,000 cavalry (ea province) cost: 260 million
Millitray colleges: 1 time only: 300,000 men upgraded to lvl 2, +140,000 men cost: 395 million
Millitary hospitals: 1 time only: 200,000 men up to lvl 2 + 20,000 men cost: 112 million
Armory's: 1 time only: 400,000 men up to lvl 2 cost: 430 million
Advanced Armory's:650,000 men up to lvl 2 cost: 575 million
Royal training camps (exclusive to those who choose the absolute monarchy political system):+45,000 lvl 3 men cost: 650 million
Organized conscription(exclusive to dictatroships): +300,000 men cost: 800 million
Senate draft proclamation(exclusive to democracies): +190,000 lvl 3 men cost: 825 million
Under her majesty's service(exclusive to constitutional monarchs):+145,000 lvl 3 men cost: 735 million
Imperial loyalty:(Ex to empires):2 million men up lvl 2 cost: 750 million
Rights of every soldier: (ex to allied states): 300,000 lvl 3 men cost: 860 million

confused? heres an example:

France has 5 provinces. each building can be made in a province, but only 1 per province. France has 3 basic barracks. (ea 1 does +25,000 a year. since I have 3, do 25,000x3. Every year, i get 75,000 men into my army.

Levels:

Not too sure about battle system now, but I want thier to be 3 classes of soldier. Infantry, Cavalry, and Artillery. Levels, as you can imagine, the higher the lvl, the better the soldier.

EX:

100,000 lvl 2 infantry vs 150,000 lvl 1 infantry

Once provinces are captured, all the buildings in the province, are given to the conquers.

Now I need evr1's help. Evry1 pitch me ideas about the battle system. We'll work something out.

As for money, well ill re-post about it.

The Keltoi Tribe, sorry but i've decided for Piedmont to be a NPC... Please re-select...

Finally, what do you guys think of the time traslatio, 1 day= 1 year? Thats 46 days long.

Couple of Questions:

Okay, can I build a barracks and an Academy in the same territory and get the combined bonus, or is it more of an upgrade?

For all one-time things, are they one time per province or one in a country?

Also are all troops produced at level 1 unless otherwise stated?

I think I also have a good estimate of the number of provences per country.
These are not official, just estimates based on the size and military power of each country
France: Five (Aquitaine, Burgundy, Champagene, Brittany, Paris)
Britian: Four (England, Canada, Ireland, Scotland)
Prussia: Three (Brandenburg, Prussia, Silesia)
Russia: Five (Moscow, Kiev, Caucas, St. Petersburg, Siberia)
Austria: Four (Hungary, Austria, Bohemia, Galacia)
Ottoman: Four (Balkans, Anatolia, Egypt, North Africa)
Spain: Four (Andulsia, Argon, Castile, Leon)
Sweeden: Two (Sweeden, Finland)
Norway/ Denmark: Two (Norway, Denmark)
Naples: Two (Naples, Sicily)
Portugual: Two (Lisbon, Algrave)
Poland: One (Warsaw)
All German States (assuming they are allied into one nation): Three (Hannover, Saxony, Bavaria)
Switzerland: One (Genoa)
Sardinia-Piedmont: Two (Piedmont, Sardinia)
Morroco: One (Casablanca)
Low countries: One (Batavia)
Papal states: One (Rome)
Lombardy: Two (Venetia, Milan)
Arabia: One (Arabian Desert)
50 in total

As for the Battle simulations, you could always just keep track of skills of the general, and just roll a dice, with 1 being really bad luck, 2 and 3 being small bad luck, 4 and 5 is moderatly good luck, and 6 being amazing luck. Then just let a war mod (unbiased) sim the battle and come up with accurate results.

Just a suggestion
Could the level formula for comparison be (X+1)/2, so level 1 troops have 1 effecientcy, and level 2 troops have 1.5 effecientcy, and level 3 troops have level 2 effiency (30,000 level 1 troops= 20,000 level 2 troops=15,000 level 3 troops)

Could I possibly play as Naples?

Could I possibly play as Naples?
Probably, but you need to TG New ausha

I am getting info my nation's thread and just wanted to know would if be okay if I maintained an army of 80,000 Regulars round with 40,000 trained reserves?

I am getting info my nation's thread and just wanted to know would if be okay if I maintained an army of 80,000 Regulars round with 40,000 trained reserves?
I think that's a little high, about 60,000 regulars and 40,000 reserves would be better, but 80,000 could work. Also, Cavalry is about 1/6-1/4 of your army, so 60,000 regulars, 40,000 trained reserves and about 10,000 enlisted cavalry with another 10,000 reserve cavalry would work

In other words, about 60,000 infatry and 10,000 cavalry mobilized, with another 40,000 infantry and 10,000 cavalry in reserve

Update:

Sorry but rolling dice wouldnt work, because obviously not everyone would be entirely turthful...

You got it Junna.

Kamy kamy, ill choose your starting forces, so dont worry about it for now. Also, all troops trained begin at lvl 1. I do not want this to be too comlicated, so lets say forces cannot exceed lvl 3 in skill. The buildings are all sepearte, and not upgrades, but only 1 of each can be made in each province.

Perhaps we should go 1770 to 1830?

I want to begin in a week or two, so lets get this money production and battle system online.

I don't think that a technical battle system is necessary. I think that if everyone RPs fair and logical then it should come out all right.

Also, Britain should have the province of India shouldn't it? It's part of their control and a very important part at that.

I dont think colonies hsoudl be included as territory, but as a form of income. Otherwise we're gonna end up with a world war, and Britian would be crazy powerful.Beacuse then all you have to do is buy the expensive upgrades as far as possible from the enemy. i.e Canada, India, South Africa

And as for naval combat:
(Something small):1 Firing deck, between 2 and 10 cannon
Sloop: 1 firing deck, between 10 and 18 cannon (faster than Frigate and Ship of the Line)
Frigate: 1 to 2 firing decks - between 30 to 42 cannon (Faster than Ship of the Line, stronger than Sloop)
Ship of the Line: 2 to 3 firing decks - between 50 to 76 cannon
Transport: Little to no cannons, can transport 1,000 men

(You cant get the maximun size on the cannons until the late game)

oh, and i'm going on a short vacation during the weekend (3days), so if i could be exempt from the booting rule for those days.

Well we havent started the boot rule yet, so it does not apply. Also, Great Britan holds the territories as following:


England
Ireland
Scotland
Canada

*some of you are right, India wouldn't be fair.

does my naval thing work?

Oh, we could also have first-rate ships of the line, with 100 cannon

Well, if not Piedmont, then I'll run with Sweeden. And to I still have anything in Northern Germany? Cuz the Swedes had outposts there in 1700. Not that it matters much. I'll find info on the army too.

Could the level formula for comparison be (X+1)/2, so level 1 troops have 1 effecientcy, and level 2 troops have 1.5 effecientcy, and level 3 troops have level 2 effiency (30,000 level 1 troops= 20,000 level 2 troops=15,000 level 3 troops)

I think thats a great way of doing it.

Perhaps we should go 1770 to 1830?

good time period, I was gonna sugest an increase but i dont think thats needed now.

Also, shoudl we work out the whole colonies thing?
For people like Prussia or Austria thats no problem, but people like England, France, Spain, Portugal, and even Russia (Siberia)

Well we havent started the boot rule yet, so it does not apply. Also, Great Britan holds the territories as following:


England
Ireland
Scotland
Canada

*some of you are right, India wouldn't be fair.

India is quite important to GB... but you are the admin so what you say goes.

I will stick with England, Ireland, Scotland and Canada... they should serve me well.

I'm ready to start when you are.

India is quite important to GB... but you are the admin so what you say goes.

I will stick with England, Ireland, Scotland and Canada... they should serve me well.

I'm ready to start when you are.

We still have to figure out the whole combat thing, and we only have 5 people signed up, I think its gonna take another week

Perhaps.

I don't like the idea of a formula to determine combat.

It's an RPG for heaven's sake... not a video game!

i don't like the time frame. It's too quick. How about 1 day = 1 season? Therefore 4 days = 1 year.

I think the formula is interesting. It will force people to put their RPG efforts into diplomacy rather than combat, cuz no one can ever agree perfectly on combat results. But how about (X+2)/3. Less difference between levels 1 and 2.

i don't like the time frame. It's too quick. How about 1 day = 1 season? Therefore 4 days = 1 year.

I like this... *thumbs up*

i don't like the time frame. It's too quick. How about 1 day = 1 season? Therefore 4 days = 1 year.
Thats even better!

i don't like the time frame. It's too quick. How about 1 day = 1 season? Therefore 4 days = 1 year.

Good idea, that way troop movement can be more realistic and everyone can really keep up. Troops can march about 25 miles/a day (in average terrain), so that means armies can march over 9,000 miles per real day on the old time frame.

Also, I think that colonies should be included as a provence only if troops would voulenteer from those places (so Russia can't recruit troops from Alaska, Britan can't recruit troops from India or South Africa, etc.)

As for the seperate threads, every1 should put Imperial glory in the first title, so a seach on those words can find all related threads. I've started France's thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472876&highlight=Imperial+Glory)

I'd like to be Spain. Kamy Kamy and Junna will vouch for me.

Good idea, that way troop movement can be more realistic and everyone can really keep up. Troops can march about 25 miles/a day (in average terrain), so that means armies can march over 9,000 miles per real day on the old time frame.

Also, I think that colonies should be included as a provence only if troops would voulenteer from those places (so Russia can't recruit troops from Alaska, Britan can't recruit troops from India or South Africa, etc.)

As for the seperate threads, every1 should put Imperial glory in the first title, so a seach on those words can find all related threads. I've started France's thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472876&highlight=Imperial+Glory)

Good Idea, I shall be starting Russias thread later, lets just not get tooo ahead of ourselfves

I just want to clear some stuff with you before (u seem to have more knowledge on the subject)

Army: 300,000 (lvl 1) (250,000 inf, 50,000 cav, 500 cannon)
Imperial Guard: 50,000 inf, 100 cannon (lvl 2)
Reserves: 300,000 inf - 50,000 cav
Available for constription: millions
Navy: Small
Treasury: ?????


(ooc: what about navies?)

Update:
You got it Junna.


Thanks, my thread is Naple's thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10572430#post10572430)

How do I know what Britian starts with?

How do I know what Britian starts with?
Make up something realistic, about 1% of your population as a standing army and .5% of your population in reserve.

Naval-wise, Britian has maybe 100 ship-of-the-line, and 200 frigates and 300 sloops with alot more transports. This navy is spread all ove the world, with only half ready for immediate duty (Stationed in Britian)

Good Idea, I shall be starting Russias thread later, lets just not get tooo ahead of ourselfves

I just want to clear some stuff with you before (u seem to have more knowledge on the subject)

Army: 300,000 (lvl 1) (250,000 inf, 50,000 cav, 500 cannon)
Imperial Guard: 50,000 inf, 100 cannon (lvl 2)
Reserves: 300,000 inf - 50,000 cav
Available for constription: millions
Navy: Small
Treasury: ?????


(ooc: what about navies?)

I need help on the navy and treasury

armies (http://www.histofig.com/history/empire/armees/)

This is a great site i found for the armies

armies (http://www.histofig.com/history/empire/armees/)

This is a great site i found for the armies

Nice find, I have to decode the french, but still, i get the gist of it.


Army: 300,000 (lvl 1) (250,000 inf, 50,000 cav, 500 cannon)
Imperial Guard: 50,000 inf, 100 cannon (lvl 2)
Reserves: 300,000 inf - 50,000 cav
Available for constription: millions

Regiment: Each regiment of infatry has 5,000 men in it, with an additional 1,000 cavalry and 10 cannon.

St. Petersburg (by 1770 its the capital right?): 10 regiments of the imperial guard. 7 normal Regiments
Moscow: 12 Regiments
Kiev: 18 Regiments
Caucas: 12 Regiments
Siberia: 1 Regiment



(need help)
Navy: Small
Treasury: ?????


(ooc: what about navies? hows the combat and stuff gonna work for that)

bump

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!! I posted everyone starting forces and the goddam forum wen tdown. This is complete bullshit.

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!! I posted everyone starting forces and the goddam forum wen tdown. This is complete bullshit.
Same happened to me with sea zones, it is so LAME
I also got some other posts eaten up in toehr threads

Starting forces (if the forum is shut down 1 more time, and I miss a post, im quitting this thread)

Russia
Infantry: 170,000
Cavalry: 3,000
Artillery: 20
Treasury: 40 million
Gain: 16 million

Prussia
Infantry: 35,000
Cavalry: 15,000
Artillery: 65
Treasury: 50 million
Gain: 15 million

Austria
Infantry:80,000
Cavalry: 20,000
Artillery: 40
Treasury: 65 million
Gain: 20 million

France
Infantry: 125,000
Cavalry: 30,000
Artillery: 80
Treasury: 80 million
Gain: 26 million

Spain
Infantry: 45,000
Cavalry: 12,000
Artillery: 34
Treasury: 35 million
Gain: 24 million

Portugal
Infantry:20,000
Cavalry: 1,000
Artillery: 25
Treasury: 25 million
Gain: 50 million

Denmark & Norway
Infantry: 42,000
Cavalry: 1500
Artillery:45
Treasury: 46 million
Gain:18 million

Sweeden
Infantry: 32,000
Cavalry: 1600
Artillery:65
Treasury: 54 million
Gain: 12 million

Ottoman
Infantry: 225,000
Cavalry: 55,000
Artillery:20
Treasury: 48 million
Gain: 17 million

Kingdom of Naples
Infantry: 12,500
Cavalry: 8500
Artillery: 85
Treasury: 60 million
Gain: 65 million

If you would like to lodge a complaint, please e-mail me at ocelot_37@hotmail.com (with an underscore, not a space)

If I missed you, go ahead and post.

Same happened to me with sea zones, it is so LAME
I also got some other posts eaten up in toehr threads

Dont i know it.

What about Britain? I think you missed them...

Thanks for heading this up... I know how much effort it takes to run something like this, and I appreciate it.

Russia
Infantry: 170,000
Cavalry: 3,000
Artillery: 20
Treasury: 40 million
Gain: 16 million


Compared with the other factions (especially the Ottomans) Russia had a bunch more people, especially in the artillery and cavalry sections
maybe

200,000
5,000
60

(and i dont want to nag, but what are we gonna do about naval)

armies (http://www.histofig.com/history/empire/armees/)

This is a great site i found for the armies



Sorry, I don't Speak French.

I don't understand how the Military Gain thingie works... I didn't see the Increase or Beginning Military for Prussia...

Oh Sorry, I found the Starting Rates... :D


Infantry: 35,000
Cavalry: 15,000
Artillery: 65
Treasury: 50 Mil
Gain: 15 Mil


Also, Lets Scrap the Troop Level Thing... The Province Thing is neat though... If we DO keep the Troop Efficiency, Prussia should start hogher than other nations like,

Normal Barracks: 25,000 Men Prussian Barracks: 10,000 Men
Normal Barracks: Lvl 1 Prussian Barracks: Lvl 3

I'm still Against that Idea though.

Starting forces (if the forum is shut down 1 more time, and I miss a post, im quitting this thread)

Russia
Infantry: 170,000
Cavalry: 3,000
Artillery: 20
Treasury: 40 million
Gain: 16 million

Prussia
Infantry: 35,000
Cavalry: 15,000
Artillery: 65
Treasury: 50 million
Gain: 15 million

Austria
Infantry:80,000
Cavalry: 20,000
Artillery: 40
Treasury: 65 million
Gain: 20 million

France
Infantry: 125,000
Cavalry: 30,000
Artillery: 80
Treasury: 80 million
Gain: 26 million

Spain
Infantry: 45,000
Cavalry: 12,000
Artillery: 34
Treasury: 35 million
Gain: 24 million

Portugal
Infantry:20,000
Cavalry: 1,000
Artillery: 25
Treasury: 25 million
Gain: 50 million

Denmark & Norway
Infantry: 42,000
Cavalry: 1500
Artillery:45
Treasury: 46 million
Gain:18 million

Sweeden
Infantry: 32,000
Cavalry: 1600
Artillery:65
Treasury: 54 million
Gain: 12 million

Ottoman
Infantry: 225,000
Cavalry: 55,000
Artillery:20
Treasury: 48 million
Gain: 17 million

Kingdom of Naples
Infantry: 12,500
Cavalry: 8500
Artillery: 85
Treasury: 60 million
Gain: 65 million

If you would like to lodge a complaint, please e-mail me at ocelot_37@hotmail.com (with an underscore, not a space)

If I missed you, go ahead and post.

The militaries are downsized a little from the real time period, but the downsize is apparent across the board. Assuming that some of the posts get changed, (like the Ottomans having 225,000 infatry and 20 cannon) I think that we should all start threads for our countries, and seperate ones for wars that might drag on a while, like if all the countries take sides and declare war. I also voulenteer to coordinate the whole wars thing, to keep track of the battles and campagin locations so New Ausha doesn't have to do it all:D

Also, do we have a definate turn classification? (in other words, do we get all our troops in one season a year, or is it spread out over the four years?) and, Can we start our first turn posts, so like what we buy with our money and alliances now, so we don't have to scramble the first day?

The militaries are downsized a little from the real time period, but the downsize is apparent across the board. Assuming that some of the posts get changed, (like the Ottomans having 225,000 infatry and 20 cannon) I think that we should all start threads for our countries, and seperate ones for wars that might drag on a while, like if all the countries take sides and declare war. I also voulenteer to coordinate the whole wars thing, to keep track of the battles and campagin locations so New Ausha doesn't have to do it all:D

Also, do we have a definate turn classification? (in other words, do we get all our troops in one season a year, or is it spread out over the four years?) and, Can we start our first turn posts, so like what we buy with our money and alliances now, so we don't have to scramble the first day?

Updates:

All complaints have been ignored, as I have given instructions

Kamy kamy thank you so much, as it would prove very difficult on my own.

As for time duartion, im feeling good with 24 hours=1 year

Troop class may get a little complicated, but using raw numbers is just kinda dumb. At least have 2 infantry classes. (Millitia & Grenadiers, or something)

As for time duartion, im feeling good with 24 hours=1 year

can we comprimise with 48 hours=1 year? A day for a year can get kind of Hectic, espescially since political relations have changed in far less time (a good example is Russian-French relations:1807 war, 1808 alliance, 1809 war again, 1810, Alliance, 1812 war)
Also, we still need to figure out the entire battle system. Any suggestions?

Update:

48 hours is hereby translated into 1 year.

Im about to pass out, so ill post on the battle system tommorow.

We probably need a lvl system, or designate a lvl for each type of troop. This is mainly for the Jagers for me and Prussia, and the various types of cavalry.

May I suggest that we cap military forces at something like 5% of population? Otherwise, we could easily end up with a situation where virtually the entire nation is in the military.

Example: Say Naples builds a barracks and a stables. This gains 45,000 men per year. After 12 years, Naples has 540,000 men, or more than 10% of its population enlisted.

This would also have the benefit of encouraging nations to actually fight and not just sit around all the time.

Can anybody give me the GB (Great Britian) specifics?

May I suggest that we cap military forces at something like 5% of population? Otherwise, we could easily end up with a situation where virtually the entire nation is in the military.

Example: Say Naples builds a barracks and a stables. This gains 45,000 men per year. After 12 years, Naples has 540,000 men, or more than 10% of its population enlisted.

This would also have the benefit of encouraging nations to actually fight and not just sit around all the time.

Love it. Great idea. And I still think the 4 days a year time system would work best, as everything would block in winter, thus leaving time for nations to recover, especially if you gain 1/4 of your yearly troops every day.

Love it. Great idea. And I still think the 4 days a year time system would work best, as everything would block in winter, thus leaving time for nations to recover, especially if you gain 1/4 of your yearly troops every day.

I agree.

Can anybody give me the GB (Great Britian) specifics?
Based on New Ausha's estimates, I would say about 50,000 regulars and 10,000 cavalry with maybe 50 cannons. Income about 40 million, with mabye a treasury of 70 million. New Ausha can confirm
Also, since I'm the new movement controler, I need some kind of accurate troops locations before the RP officially starts (you can't suddenly send those 100,000 troops from Siberia to Paris in one day), but only for countries with large territory (like Austria, Spain, Russia, etc.) I also need to know if my province estimate is accurate enough so I can use that as refrence.

Ok, Can I have A summary of Evrything? I still think that Prusssians Should a higher rank bonus.

Ok, Can I have A summary of Evrything? I still think that Prusssians Should a higher rank bonus.
Just having Prussia's military better isn't realistic in 1770 (at least I think this is the official start date) since Fredrick the Great is downsizing the military in order to help keep peace in Europe. Prussian troops are still well trained, but Prussia needs expert training less, so the level of discipline and accuracy drops to about the level of British and French troops.
I think that Prussia, Britian and France have lvl 2 troops (since they had the best-trained and most skilled armies of the era anyway) Austria and Spain could be included, but probably not. Russians and Ottoman basic troops weren't very well trained, and everyone else is a "minor" power right now.

Also, according to Junna's idea, the current caps for total military personal for all the playable countries (5% of population)
Note: These are absoulte maximums, hitting these means 1/3 able-bodied men in your country are in the military
Britain: 715,000
France: 1,250,000
Spain: 460,000
Portugual: 135,000
Sweeden:150,000
Norway/Denmark:100,000
Austria: 1,150,000
Naples: 270,000
Russia: 1,300,000
Ottoman Empire:1,100,000

Can I make a few modifications to you costs post (barracks, stables, etc.) New Ausha? If you confirm, here they are.

Conscription posts: + 15,000 men cost: 30 million
Basic Barracks: +30,000 men cost: 70 million
Military academies: + 45,000 men cost: 110 million
Advanced Barracks: + 90,000 men cost: 230 million

Smelters: +20 cannon cost: 20 million
Foundries: +40 cannons cost: 50 million
Advanced foundries: +80 cannons cost: 135 million

Horse Breeding Grounds: +6,000 cavalry cost: 20 million
Stables: + 12,000 cavalry cost: 50 million
Advanced Stables: + 24,000 cavalry cost: 110 million

Firing Ranges:150,000 soldiers upgraded to level 2: cost 100 million
Military colleges:300,000 men up to level 2,+140,000 men cost:450 million
Military hospitals: 200,000 men up to level 2 + 20,000 men cost: 175 million
Armories: 400,000 men up to level 2 cost: 250 million
Advanced Armories: 650,000 men up to level 2 cost: 450 million

Royal training camps (exclusive to absolute monarchies): + 145,000 level 3 men cost: 650 million

Organized conscription (exclusive to dictatorships):+300,000 men cost:800 million

Senate draft proclamation (exclusive to democracies): +190,000 level 3 men cost: 825 million

Under her majesty's service (exclusive to constitutional monarchs): + 175,000 level 3 men cost: 735 million

Imperial loyalty (exclusive to empires): 2 million men up level 2 cost: 750 million

Rights of every soldier: (exculsive to allied states): 300,000 level 3 men cost: 1000 million

Updates:

Kamy kamy, I like your modifications, lets keep them.

Prussia would, in my opinion have the best troops. Historically there were troop deductions, but as Russia gained terriotory, and began encroachment, Prussia saw rise in its millitary production.

This may be too simplistic. But perhaps for naval battles we should simply have "warships" and "transports"

So we could do:
Small Shipyards-50 million, +5 warships.
Medium Shipyards-125 million, +10 warships.
Large Shipyards-250 million, +15 warships
Transport Shipyards-100 million, +10 transports

Each transport could carry 1000 men.

Thoughts?

I like the simplicity, but Naval battles are going to be alot less excting that way. Also, I suggest everyone should start a thread about their country, to keep this thread open for international events (like war). We still need a battle system, and I suggest we go with simplicity and just apoint a war mod and an secondary and let them simulate the battles

Proposed Battle System

If this gets 5 votes, we will adopt it as the battle system. To vote, simpy post your support for it. For CONSTRUTIVE critisism please, feel free to post.

Example:

France attacks Spain

French forces commited:

Infantry Lvl 1: 160,000



Cavalry Lvl 1: 11,000



Artillery: 75

Reserves: 20,000

Spanish forces commited:

Infantry Lvl 1: 130,000



Cavalry Lvl 1: 30,000



Artillery: 30

Reserves: 40,000


Battle:


First begin with matching the unit types and lvls. (Ex lvl 1 infantry with lvl 1 infantry)

Phase one:

France: 160,000 Lvl 1 Infantry

Spain 130,000 Lvl 1 Infantry

I (New Ausha) will flip a coin. (Before the battle, each side has chose heads or tails) Now guys, I know what you are thinking, but, to ensure fun, I will be completely honest with you.

France= heads

Spain= tails

I got a heads. Spain take damage. The first flip, the one who looses the toss, expiereinces a 15% casualty rate, and the winner, 5%.

Openeing casulaties:

France: 8,000

Spain: 9,500

Phase two:

Now each side commits forces into battle. Each side can commit a max of 100,000 soldiers into ohase 2.

French reinforcments: 95,000

Spanish reinforcments: 50,000

Units on field: 247,000 french, 170,500 spanish

Now, the opening forces have taken damage, this is where it gets technical. For every 20,000 men each a force has on the field, they earn 1 coin toss. Since france has 247,000 on the field, they earn 12 coin tosses (with rounding) Each toss they win (heads) earns 10,000 enemy casualites. (by the way, spain earns 9 coin tosses) total 9+12= 21 flips

Outcome:

18 heads, 3 tails

Casualites:

French (3 tails, each equalling 10,000 losses 3x 10,000=30,000) 30,000

Spanish: (18x10,000=180,000) 180,000 Spanish forces are anilated. Now, Spain can choose to retreat, or continue. Spain continues.

Phase 3:

Forces commited:

Spanish: 100,000 (they must obey the max still)

French: 75,000

Forces on field:

Spanish= 100,000

French= 292,000 infantry

Battle:

(20,000= 1 flip, so 292,000 divided by 20,000= 15 flips, Spain, 100,000 divided by 20,000= 5 flips)

Casulties:

toatl flips 20

heads: 8
tails: 12

French: 120,000

Spanish: 80,000

Left:

French: 172,000

Spanish: 20,000

Forces are commited until one side retreats or is anilated.

I want to eliminate Lvls, and instead, have infantry, cavalry and artillery.

For cavalry:

Instead of 20,000 men equal 1 flip, 20,000 now equal 3 flips.

Artillery:

Every 2o batteries equal 4 flips.

Now, obviously, I will not be able to do this by myself, so I am appointing player mods. Since I have come to trust Kamy kamy, I am appotining her player moderator number 1. I trust you kamy kamy, to be fair with the flipping process.

Ill need 1 more mod. please e-mail me, if you are interested.

Obviously, mods cannot be involved in thier own battles.

Feel free to comment guys. If this is accepted, we will finalaize all rules, then finally *drumroll* start the RP!

UPDATE:

I realized a major error with this. For coin tosses earned, it wouldnt be fair (say if you earn 5 tosses) to take damage if you get opposite of what you are (heads tails) So if you get 4 tails (you are heads) and 1 head, the enemy take 10,000 losses, while you take none.

Sweeden:150,000

The Sweedish regular army was just over 200,000. Maybe that should be my max?

And for the battle system, it'll work I think. So, unless someone comes up with something better, I agree with that. And the troops will be split up between infantry, cavalry and artillery. The level system only improves your troops, so if you have 100 000 lvl 2 troups, that's the same as having 133 333 lvl 1 troops for the damage you cause. 2 extra coins.

The Sweedish regular army was just over 200,000. Maybe that should be my max?

I based that max soley on the population of the country, and the population of Sweeden was about 2.5 million in 1770, so I took a little more than 5% as your max.

You might have gotten the date wrong, other than that mabye we just have different data to base our information from.

Proposed Battle System
Now, obviously, I will not be able to do this by myself, so I am appointing player mods. Since I have come to trust Kamy kamy, I am appotining her player moderator number 1. I trust you kamy kamy, to be fair with the flipping process.

First of all, I accept the responsibility, but to be fair I won't do any battles I have something directly riding on (like when I'm fighting or invading the same country)

Second of all, since when am I a she?

Third, for the combat system, I like it but the biggest problem is that You need information about who's retreating and who's not after each round. At 48-hour years (unless this changes) we could be faced with battle modding taking almost an entire day. Other than that, I'm fine with it

I guess we could use flex time when neccesary

Sorry, I won't do an rp with that system. Its ust not... Rp'ing.

The battle system is ok... but one thing that is not counted in is defense. the force that is defending should most definitely get a bonus of some sort... it make since if they are fighting in their own country, which they know well and can plan more.

Typically, a defender has a 4 to 1 advantage over an attacker, although I don't think that would be acceptable for this because it's too high.

But I would like to see at least a 3 to 2 advantage somehow.

Sorry, I won't do an rp with that system. Its ust not... Rp'ing.

Right... that's the other problem, it's become a board game now, instead of a RPG.

I have to be against this system. It's too videogamey, and relies excessively on mod honesty. Why don't we just ROLEPLAY the battles?

Cuz there ends up being one page with diplomacy, then twenty with battle movements. I was interested in the battle system idea because of that, but I'll do either way.

Second of all, since when am I a she?


I hate those surprise sex changes.

This Rp seems rather complicated...but i like the whole idea... nice..

Update:

Those of you who will not accept this battle system or don't like it (Defuniak) well then I have an idea.... WHY DONT YOU COME UP WITH A BATTLE SYSTEM? :eek:

Kamy kamy, well I suppose without you mentioning it to everyone, and soley based on your name kamy I was supposed to know you were a guy? I could have refered to you as an "it" if you prefer. Also, girls tend to be more offended being mistaken for guys, plus I knwo about 15 girls named kammy, cammie, cammy, Kamey, so uh... I infered.

As far as the battle system goes, I am somewhat against it. I believe it would be more interesting and exciting if the player was to RP the troop movements, and have the war mod(s) calculate the casualty rate, outcome, etc. of the battle, taking into account what the terrain is (soldiers attacking up a hill get torn to shreads), whatever fortifications or entrenchments the defender has in place (an army attacking trenches or a fort or whatever is bound to take heavy casualties). I think that the system in place now is not nearly realistic enough. For example, say France was to invade me (Spain). I would most certainly have dug in in the Pyrennes. The attackers (France) would take much heavier casualties than the defenders, especially if said defenders are in trenches in the mountains. The coin toss thing is too equal.

Kamy kamy, well I suppose without you mentioning it to everyone, and soley based on your name kamy I was supposed to know you were a guy? I could have refered to you as an "it" if you prefer. Also, girls tend to be more offended being mistaken for guys, plus I knwo about 15 girls named kammy, cammie, cammy, Kamey, so uh... I infered.

No problem.

As far as the battle system goes, I am somewhat against it. I believe it would be more interesting and exciting if the player was to RP the troop movements, and have the war mod(s) calculate the casualty rate, outcome, etc. of the battle, taking into account what the terrain is (soldiers attacking up a hill get torn to shreads), whatever fortifications or entrenchments the defender has in place (an army attacking trenches or a fort or whatever is bound to take heavy casualties). I think that the system in place now is not nearly realistic enough. For example, say France was to invade me (Spain). I would most certainly have dug in in the Pyrennes. The attackers (France) would take much heavier casualties than the defenders, especially if said defenders are in trenches in the mountains. The coin toss thing is too equal.

Yeah, that sounds better, and there sould be attrition.
I'm Russia and my tactic is gonna be (if i get beaten around the border) to retreat and let winter set in, killing off the invaders. Russia's best generals, December, January and February have always done a good job of crushing invaders.

Yeah, that sounds better, and there sould be attrition.
I'm Russia and my tactic is gonna be (if i get beaten around the border) to retreat and let winter set in, killing off the invaders. Russia's best generals, December, January and February have always done a good job of crushing invaders.
A classic Maneuvar of Russian troops. I will do the smart thing if I get to your border, invade when the incompetent general May is in control. Muahahaha . . .

I'll let general Napolean do most of my fighting (after 1795)

Update:

Those of you who will not accept this battle system or don't like it (Defuniak) well then I have an idea.... WHY DONT YOU COME UP WITH A BATTLE SYSTEM? :eek:

Kamy kamy, well I suppose without you mentioning it to everyone, and soley based on your name kamy I was supposed to know you were a guy? I could have refered to you as an "it" if you prefer. Also, girls tend to be more offended being mistaken for guys, plus I knwo about 15 girls named kammy, cammie, cammy, Kamey, so uh... I infered.


A suggestion? How about... Roleplaying OHHHHH... :eek:

A classic Maneuvar of Russian troops. I will do the smart thing if I get to your border, invade when the incompetent general May is in control. Muahahaha . . .

I'll let general Napolean do most of my fighting (after 1795)

I'm seeing if I can clone February and replace May-July with it, unfortunately with 18th century technology, its not looking to goood :(


I'm going on vacation!! And I shall not be back till monday. Sorry bout it, but I wasen't the one who decide to go to Fake French Land (Quebec), so see you all on Monday!

Hopefully by then the combat systems and everything will be finished, and I shall not have to do anything!! Good Luck

With me around, the chances of a conclusion are quite slim... :p :cool:

Update:

Those of you who will not accept this battle system or don't like it (Defuniak) well then I have an idea.... WHY DONT YOU COME UP WITH A BATTLE SYSTEM? :eek:


Ok. I propose the following:
Two players are fighting a war. They agree on the outcome of the battles, and roleplay the results. If they cannot agree, then an independent observer comes in, looks at the evidence, and breaks the tie.

Simple.

That will probably work Junna, but what happens if one of the countries isn't controlled by anyone? Also, I still encourage everyone to start their country's threads soon just so everyone knows where all countries' forces are, and such. It will make my life as movement manager (fake title, but you get the idea) ALOT easier to do, and will allow people to start making allianes and plotting massive invasions.

That will probably work Junna, but what happens if one of the countries isn't controlled by anyone?

One of the war mods can play the unoccupied country.

One of the war mods can play the unoccupied country.
That reminds me, we still need to pick another war mod so someone can mod my invasions.

I also found a good map of Europe in 1770 (http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/europe/eu1770.gif)

Updates:

I have arbiltrarily (:p ) adopted the honor RP. When two players are in a battle, they will agree on casualties, ok? And, if they reach an impass, I or kamy will step in. Sound good?

Troops lvls, like 1,2 and 3 are banished. Since this is an HONOR rp you will keep track of your infantry, buildings, and such. Plus here are some cool defensive things you can buy. They can be used in each province:

Trenching lines: cost: 20 million (since this is an HONOR rp the people fighting will agree how much of an edge the defender gets from this.

Entrenched artillery positions: 25 million

hidden command posts: 45 million

Advanced masonry: 130 million

Fortress: 75 million each

Guard towers: 14 million each

Home guard units: (peasents that rise to arms)= 170 million

Here are some upgrades that, when purchased, effect ALL of your infantry. They only need to be bought once.

The square formation: (France automatically recievs this for free, in 1799 :p ): cost: 170 million

Double line formation: 185 million

Advanced officer training: 260 million

Stabilized artillery: 200 million

Strategic skirmishing: 140 million

Modern guerilla tactics: only used in capital provinces, ex: paris, berlin, vienna) 460 million

ALSO:

I will post RANDOM EVENTS throughout the RP. These can affect 1 country, 2 or everyone.

example:


Private agriculture:

Farmers from every nation have thrown down thier tools, and refused to work, unless thier respective states provide better wages. All nations lose 23 million currency for 2 years.

Effect: all

I will use this a bit, especially if you are a VERY VERY strong player.

DIPLOMACY:

The foundation of this RP (as it was in the napoleonic era) was diplomacy. Strategic allainces and coaltions make or break you. Here are some examples:

Defensive alliance

Coalition

Improve relations

Commericial treaty

Loan armies

Peace Treaty

Declaration of war

Those are a few, feel free to improvise.

When we begin, everyone is at peace, for a mandatory 2 years.

MAP MOVEMENT:

I AM DESPRETE for a good european mp. Sry kammy but these arent working. TO ANYONE: I NEED A WHITE MAP OF EUROPE, WITH BOLD BLACK BORDERS. I will draw in the beggining territoies each nation holds.

NPC's

Pedmont, Helevitan republic, Batavia, Papal States, Two sicilies, Hanover, Saxony, Greece, Egypt, Morroco, Tunisia will all be controlled by me and kamy. Me and Kamy will decide which one of us RP's them. Obvioulsy, there will competiton so be quick.

ATTENTION!!

Everybody, please post (on this thread) your starting nation, and political system. I will confirm you. FROM THE TIME THIS IS POSTED, IF YOU DO NOT CONFIRM YOUR NATION AND POLITICAL SYSTEM, WITHIN 3 DAYS YOUR NATION WILL BE UP FOR REPLACMENT! LET ME CONFIRM YOU.

Desired time to begin RP:

14 days

Pedmont, Helevitan republic, Batavia, Papal States, Two sicilies, Hanover, Saxony, Greece, Egypt, Morroco, Tunisia will all be controlled by me and kamy. Me and Kamy will decide which one of us RP's them. Obvioulsy, there will competiton so be quick.


Erm... Greece is owned by the Ottoman Empire, as is Egypt, I think. And I'm one of the Two Sicilies.

Also, have we decided how many regions everyone gets, and what to do for naval combat?

Erm... Greece is owned by the Ottoman Empire, as is Egypt, I think. And I'm one of the Two Sicilies.

Also, have we decided how many regions everyone gets, and what to do for naval combat?

Naval battles will be Rped by the players, just like land battles. I will post the cost for ships later.

Middle Shu, I have not confirmed you as you have not made a valid request for a nation yet. Additionly the Kingdom of Two Sicilies is a single kingdom. I have decided for it to be an NPC as well. Please choose again.

The Ottoman empire would be far too large with those provinces. It'll have to conquer them.

A far as Defiunk goes, I don't really trust you a goddamn bit, how bout that? And, as far as us getting nowhere without you, I respond with, NO ONE GIVES A DAMN IF YOU LEAVE.

In confirm as Great Britain... a Constitutional Monarchy

A far as Defiunk goes, I don't really trust you a goddamn bit, how bout that? And, as far as us getting nowhere without you, I respond with, NO ONE GIVES A DAMN IF YOU LEAVE.


Well Geez, I was hoping to be able to RP, but if we can't RP, I don't want to keep playing.

I quit then.

Middle Shu, I have not confirmed you as you have not made a valid request for a nation yet. Additionly the Kingdom of Two Sicilies is a single kingdom. I have decided for it to be an NPC as well. Please choose again.

Middle Snu is probablly Junna, since you confirmed him as Naples earlier. What is he going to play now? the only countries left are Portugual and Poland.

If we need to finalize a territory map, I've got a good one:
France: 5 territories, Brittany, Aquintine, Burgundy, Champagene, Paris
Spain: 4 Territroies, Castile, Corduba, New Spain, Peru
Portugual: 2 Lisbon, Matosinhos
Britain: 4 England, Ireland, Scotland, New World (Canada + 13 Colonies)
Austria: 4 Veinna, Venice, Budapest, Belguim
Prussia: 3 Berlin, Prussia, Silesia
Netherlands: 1 Holland
Hannover:1 Hamburg
Saxony: 1 Leipzig
Switzerland: 1 Bern
Poland: 1 Warsaw,
Piedmont: 2 Sardinia, Piedomont
Papal States: 1 Rome
Two Sicilies: 2 Bootleg, Sardinia
Morocco: 1 Rabat
Tunisia: 1 Tunis
Greece: 1 Athens
Egypt: 1 Cairo
Ottoman: 3 Turkey, Balkans, Iraq
Arabia: 1 Arabia
Denmark: 2 Denmark, Norway
Sweeden: 2 Sweeden, Finland
Russia: 5 Siberia, Caucaus, Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev
Naples:1 Naples
50 in total
All territory claimed by german states is in either Hannover (North and West) or Saxony (South and East)
I also confirm as France, a Military Dictatorship

Great Britan and France confirmed.

Defiunk is kicked from the thread.

Prussia is now availible.

Oh, middle shu is Junna? Well then Junna can still have Naples.

Well Geez, I was hoping to be able to RP, but if we can't RP, I don't want to keep playing.

I quit then.


Lol, read the page before this one you idiot.

Sorry, about not rping here for a while. I was busy doing work.

Apologies. Middle Snu is in fact Junna.

And now I'm just more confused. Can you please tell me exactly what I have? One Sicily (only Naples) or two (Naples + Sicily)?

Sweeden is a Constitutional Monarchy. As for my factbook, shall I put it up yet or is there more info to come?

Apologies. Middle Snu is in fact Junna.

And now I'm just more confused. Can you please tell me exactly what I have? One Sicily (only Naples) or two (Naples + Sicily)?


The Two Scilies is its OWN kingdom, and is, in fact, an NPC. You are the kingdom of Naples.

The Two Scilies is its OWN kingdom, and is, in fact, an NPC. You are the kingdom of Naples.
So is two Sicilies only the island of Sicily?

France, Britan and Sweeden are confirmed.

Historically, the island of sicily AND the southern have of the Italian penninsula belonged to the Two Sicilies.

All others please confirm. I want to start in 10 days.

Also, I want at LEAST 8 players involved by the time we start. If 8 players are not confirmed in 10 days, I will resign from the thread. Thank you.

Umm... wasn't Naples part of the two Sicilies?

Umm... wasn't Naples part of the two Sicilies?


nope

nope
Then where is Naples exactly?

(OOC: I'm baaaaaaack)

Am I confirmed as Russia??

(OOC: I'm baaaaaaack)

Am I confirmed as Russia??
As soon as New Ausha comes back online (you still need to post a goverment type though)

As soon as New Ausha comes back online (you still need to post a goverment type though)

Well, I have a Czar, so it would be a monarchy

Well, I have a Czar, so it would be a monarchy
I know, but your in "Political chaos" right now and New Ausha needs the exact goverment type you want (I'm a dictatorship right now, but in history I'm an absoulte monarchy)

Ok, so I cant be what I would originally be? (Absolute Monarchy)

If so I would like to be a military dictatorship

Ok, so I cant be what I would originally be? (Absolute Monarchy)

If so I would like to be a military dictatorship
You can be anything you want, I was just pointing out that you didn't have to be an absoulte monarchy

The Constitutional Monarchy of Austria, please.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Austria, please.
Austria is taken by New Ausha (the guy who runs this RP) but Prussia is open. The only other countries that are playable that aren't taken are Poland and Portugal

Updates:

I have Austria, but like kamy said, you are free to take Prussia. Also, so far Genticon, kamy, franberry and the keltori tribe are confirmed. Hurry up and confirm guys.

Time till Rp starts: 9 days

Also, we still need a blank map of Europe.

Austria is taken by New Ausha (the guy who runs this RP) but Prussia is open. The only other countries that are playable that aren't taken are Poland and Portugal


I suppose, but many people havent confirmed, and its been five days, so its possible that oppotunites to take those nations will open.

Here's the map: http://www.europeetravel.com/images/maps/europe-blank-large.jpg

Here's the map: http://www.europeetravel.com/images/maps/europe-blank-large.jpg

Nice map, although it's current Europe. We just need someone to erase some lines, I would, but im retarded when it compes to computer art.

I want to to be prussia, as an absoulte monarchy

I want to to be prussia, as an absoulte monarchy

South Chadwick you are confirmed. Do you understand the rules?

Here's the map: http://www.europeetravel.com/images/maps/europe-blank-large.jpg


ok, im working on the map. It will be very very crappy (just to warn you) but it will give you a basic idea on the territotires of each empire. (What they start with)

ok, im working on the map. It will be very very crappy (just to warn you) but it will give you a basic idea on the territotires of each empire. (What they start with)
Historically accurate or not?

Historically accurate or not?

Preferrebly Russia wont be a small island west of Greenland,
I hope there some accuracy

Yes, I do hope I can keep Corsica (Napoleon) and the rest of France as my country

bump

bump

Hey kamy can I have your e-mail? Go ahead and telegram it to me. I figured i'd need it seeing as your a mod. Anyway, i've also been having trouble posting a link to the picture I develpoed of Europe. Maybe you'd have better luck than me. Thanks.

Game starts 8 days

I will post a final rules on the Rp 3 days before we begin.

2 days before we start ill post all millitary and economic upgrades you can buy.

24 hours before we begin, ill post the NPC's stats.

ok, sounds good

bump

Game starts: 7 days

Nations confirmed: 5

If 8 nations are not confirmed in 7 days, I will resign from the thread, on the basis on unpopularity.

Am i still confirmed?

yes, I understand the rules... Unless there are some hiding somewhere that I haven’t looked yet…

yes, I understand the rules... Unless there are some hiding somewhere that I haven’t looked yet…
Yep, they're under a rock in India

The scandanavians, you are not confirmed, please select either Poland, Denmark and Norway, Spain or the Ottoman Empire.

Kamy, did you get the picture I sent you?

Okay I will be the Kingdom of Denmark and Norway, if that is alright?

The scandanavians, you are not confirmed, please select either Poland, Denmark and Norway, Spain or the Ottoman Empire.

Kamy, did you get the picture I sent you?
Yes, but I can't seem to get it posted on the thread (I've got computer issues)
A couple of problems: Who controls the white space?, Naples is the southern part of Italy, not the northern part, and Prussia is a lot bigger

Okay I will be the Kingdom of Denmark and Norway, if that is alright?
I think Keloti tribes has that one

Actually, keltori has Sweeden, the Scandanavians is given Denmark and Norway. Scandanavians, please post your political system (look at page 1 for refrence)

Kamy, I take it you have seen the picture. I looked it up. The two sicilies controlled SOUTHERN italy, and sicily. The papal state was in middle, and Naples (originally lombardy) held the North. Prussia is actually smaller (if you can belive it) it only consisted of 3 slender prvoinces.

EVERYONE: Please post a faq about your nation. I think one of you has already suggested this. Post it with the title, Imperial Glory: *your nation* FAQ. Post stories (if you are a monarchy,) about your heirs birth, if your a dictatorship, post how you came to power, your peoples general feeling, big news, unrest etc. Ill be Austria remmember.

Actually, my nation is alot bigger than I expected. Modern day hungary is controlled by me too also I guess. The rest of the white is given to the Russian Empire k? Kamy, if you could make it a priority (im positive you are trying) to get that map posted, to give people time to review, and lodge complaints.

Kamy, I take it you have seen the picture. I looked it up. The two sicilies controlled SOUTHERN italy, and sicily. The papal state was in middle, and Naples (originally lombardy) held the North. Prussia is actually smaller (if you can belive it) it only consisted of 3 slender prvoinces.

in 1770 Prussia controlled almost the entire northern coast of central europe, Naples is the region in Southern Italy (lombardy was an Austrian proxy state) and Austria also holds present-day Belguim.
This map is what I found:
Map of 1770 Europe (http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/europe/eu1770.gif)

Actually, I'd like to point something out.

The Kingdom of Naples is named after the City of Naples. Here's a map of Italy:

http://www.continentholiday.net/images/italien/karta_italia.jpg

Notice that Naples is in the south. For additional documentation of this, the Encyclopaedia Brittanica states that "[The Kingdom of Naples is a] state covering the southern portion of the Italian peninsula from the Middle Ages to 1860."

According to Wikipedia:
"The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies was the new name that the Bourbon King Ferdinand IV of Naples bestowed upon his domain (including Southern Italy and the island of Sicily) after the end of the Napoleonic Era and the full restoration of his power in 1816. The capital city of the kingdom was Naples."

Notice that the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies includes Naples.

Now, if you want to give me Lombardy, that's fine. But just for clarity's sake, call me Lombardy, not Naples.

(Sorry for the perhaps excessive documentation, but you have made this mistake several times, and it will be confusing to anyone new to this roleplay.)

I see what you're going for Kamy and Shu, but actually I find that configuration akward, and difficult for most nations. My main poin of refrence is the territories after the congress of Vienna in 1815. It seems much fairer. I was afriad this would happen, and that is border disputes. What I gave to Kammy, in my opinion, is fair. As soon as we get it posted, i'd like you all to takje a look.

I posted my nations Bio faq, (see my previous post) so anyone who wants to, go ahead.

To clarify: I actually don't care what part of Italy I get. Just call whichever part I do get by its proper name.

Edit: which probably means I'm Lombardy.

I see what you're going for Kamy and Shu, but actually I find that configuration akward, and difficult for most nations. My main poin of refrence is the territories after the congress of Vienna in 1815. It seems much fairer. I was afriad this would happen, and that is border disputes. What I gave to Kammy, in my opinion, is fair. As soon as we get it posted, i'd like you all to takje a look.

I posted my nations Bio faq, (see my previous post) so anyone who wants to, go ahead.
My number one complaint is that Prussia is far too small; It's the size of Denmark when it should have mush more land, including the northern part of poland and Numerous territories bordering the Rhine. Fairness-wise, everything else is pretty good

To clarify: I actually don't care what part of Italy I get. Just call whichever part I do get by its proper name.

Edit: which probably means I'm Lombardy.


WATEVER!

Kamy, I saw your personal bio, and just to let you know, I have decided all nations begginging forces. I think I posted it...

IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU START WITH CHECK PAGE 4

I have stated everyones starting forces, money etc. Also, I have given everyone a chance to privatly criticize the post (to my e-mail) If you begin to criticize now, ill be a little aggitated, cause I have had that posted now for about a week.

Kammy has also worked on the millitary upgrades. Look back a few pages. Will use what kamy posted as upgrades.

NAVIES! Starting:

Great Britan:

36 sloops

27 frigates

16 ship of the lines

Portugal:

45 sloops

20 Frigates

11 Ship of the Lines

Spain:

38 sloops

27 frigates

12 ship of the lines

France:

26 sloops

14 Frigates

8 Ship of the Lines

Russia;

39 sloops

23 Frigates

3 Ship of the lines

Ottoman:

42 Sloops

16 frigates

1 Ship of the Line

Austria:

23 sloops

12 Frigates

10 Ship of the lines

Lombardy (thats what you wanted to be called?)

34 sloops

34 frigates

24 Ship of the Lines

As for everyone else, id expect to not have much of a navy. But you can post what you think fair.

NPC's:

Im not gonna RP the NPC's. Too time consuming. Ill only RP thier battles, but not thier advancments, troop gain or economy. Kamy will assist me in Rping thier battles. Ill post what they start with soon.

An for income upgrades for all nations, ill post that soon quick.

Kamy, I saw your personal bio, and just to let you know, I have decided all nations begginging forces. I think I posted it...
you did, and I decreased my armed forces by 5,000 men so I could deploy them in eight groups

you did, and I decreased my armed forces by 5,000 men so I could deploy them in groups of eight


ok well im done for the night, ill post on the economy upgrades tommorow. Night yall.

in 1770 Prussia controlled almost the entire northern coast of central europe, Naples is the region in Southern Italy (lombardy was an Austrian proxy state) and Austria also holds present-day Belguim.
This map is what I found:
Map of 1770 Europe (http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/europe/eu1770.gif)
I think the crime was under the country of Crimea, not under Ottoman control.

I am confirming as Spain, a democratic republic.

Rofland is confirmed as Spain. Look at page 4 to see what you start with.

did we decide on a combat system yet?

(This is a Geneticon puppet)

Rofland is confirmed as Spain. Look at page 4 to see what you start with.

Done and done.

Might I suggest we post the starting navies and armies on one post? I could do it if required.

I think the crime was under the country of Crimea, not under Ottoman control.
The Ottoman empire was run like the USSR, with it being more of a seperate group of states under the rule of the Sultan. Tunis, Algeria, Egypt, and others were countries part of the Ottoman "alliance" aka their empire

Done and done.

Might I suggest we post the starting navies and armies on one post? I could do it if required.


Go ahead Rofland, just please use what I HAVE posted. Thanks.

I want to start in 6 days, and we need 1 more person at least.

Hey this looks fun, can I be the Ottoman Empire please?

Hey this looks fun, can I be the Ottoman Empire please?

ABSOLUTLY! I was starting to think we wouldnt get enough people. Please review the rules, and see your starting forces. (page 4) Also, choose your politcal system.

Ecomonic upgrades: ^=only needs to be purchased once. Everything else, can be purchased for each province.

Basic banking: Cost: 65 million^ Effect:+10 million for every province you have per year

Paper currency: Cost: 130 million^ Effect: +40 million per year

National bank: Cost: 45 million Effect: +15 million for the province its in per year

Transaction records: Cost 230 million^ Effect: +35 million per year

Private Industry: Cost: 450 million^ Effect: 1/4 of what you are currently producing yearly is now added (ex: your making 100 million, after upgrade: 125 million)

General Insurance: Cost: 280 million^ Effect: +55 million per year

Accounting departments: Cost:65 million Effect: +10 million per year for the province it is in.

Dept collection: Cost: 600 million Effect: Collect 1/5 of what everybody has in thier treasury. Only used once.

National lottery: Cost: 145 million Effect: +20 million for each province

High tariffs: Cost: 375 million^ Effect: +40 million for every human player in the RP. Lasts for the remainder of the game.

Organized tax collection: Cost: 100 million Effect:+35 million per year

Treasury Department: Cost: 540 million^ Effect: +85 million per year

Feel free to post additonal upgrades. Also, Kamy, hows the map coming along?

did we decide on a combat system yet?

(This is a Geneticon puppet)


Yea, we're going with simply using the honor system and RPing, with mods to break any arguments.

I like the upgrade system

I will set up my fact book later today, or sometime tommorrow

Also, Kamy, hows the map coming along?
I still can't figure out how to post a document from Paint on the forums

Also, can I add another possible economic upgrade?

Improve roads system: 20 million: + 5 million income (culmunative)

National lottery: Cost: 145 million Effect: +20 million for each province

High tariffs: Cost: 375 million^ Effect: +40 million for every human player in the RP. Lasts for the remainder of the game.


Speaking as an earnest student of economics, I can tell you that high tariffs do not generate much revenue for government. Not only that, but basing ingame effects on out of game status is generally a bad idea.

Also, isn't National Lottery a bit out of plance in a 1770 game? Lotteries, to my knowledge, didn't really get started until much later.

Other than that, it looks great!

Speaking as an earnest student of economics, I can tell you that high tariffs do not generate much revenue for government. Not only that, but basing ingame effects on out of game status is generally a bad idea.

Also, isn't National Lottery a bit out of plance in a 1770 game? Lotteries, to my knowledge, didn't really get started until much later.

Other than that, it looks great!


For one, if nations are willing to trade in volume, than high tariffs should generate a good income.

Also, 6 years later (1776) the continental army of America, was funded based on a lottery, ordained by none other than Geroge Washington.

kamy, I like your Idea for road systems.

Franberry has a good idea. Everyone keep a log, of nations, your income, your army, casulaites, terrtiories and such.

Speaking of territories, I have been frantically searching for a way to post my Map onto the forums. IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO POST A MAP INTO A THREAD, PLEASE INFORM ME.

Due to this error with the map, I am extending the RP start time 3 days. Instead of us begining in 5 days, we will begin in 8. I will create a seperate thread for the RP itself, and this one will be used to post complaints, report cheating, and to generally ask the mods for help.

I am postive people will not stick with this thread for 50-60 days. I say, we begin in 1785, and end in 1825. Also, i'd be happy if the time frame was 1 day=1 year. Im sure 40 days is long enough, but im open to suggestion.

I WILL ONLY SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME. PLEASE RECORD YOUR STARTING FORCES AS THEY ARE DISPLAYED ON PAGE 4!!! NAVIES ARE ON ANOTHER PAGE, PLEASE RECORD THEM TOO.

So now we start in 1785?

I will make my thread 5 to 2 days before we start

These are my states (just want to keep them together)

Treasury:
40 million
16 million Gain

Army:
Infantry: 170,000
Cavalry: 3,000
Artillery: 20



Navy:
39 sloops
23 Frigates
3 Ship of the lines

So now we start in 1785?

I will make my thread 5 to 2 days before we start

These are my states (just want to keep them together)

Treasury:
40 million
16 million Gain

Army:
Infantry: 170,000
Cavalry: 3,000
Artillery: 20



Navy:
39 sloops
23 Frigates
3 Ship of the lines

Franberry, nad eveyone else, you should also probably write that down in a logbook or something, for refrence.

Also, WE STILL NEED A MAP!

Also, 6 years later (1776) the continental army of America, was funded based on a lottery, ordained by none other than Geroge Washington.
That reminds me, are the thirteen colonies going to revolt in 1776 in this game?

That reminds me, are the thirteen colonies going to revolt in 1776 in this game?


No, we're starting in 1785 and going to 1835.

Franberry, nad eveyone else, you should also probably write that down in a logbook or something, for refrence.

Also, WE STILL NEED A MAP!
yeah I will do that, but not so far away from the start day, I dont want it to get lost.

yeah I will do that, but not so far away from the start day, I dont want it to get lost.


So will I, and I hope evryone else does. Lets agree that if someone doesnt keep track at all, and personally "alters" thier stats that they should be kicked, agreed?

So will I, and I hope evryone else does. Lets agree that if someone doesnt keep track at all, and personally "alters" thier stats that they should be kicked, agreed?
Agreed, I'll try to make a record of exactly what everyone has everey turn (exact accuracy not guarenteed), but someone needs to watch me.

Agreed, I'll try to make a record of exactly what everyone has everey turn (exact accuracy not guarenteed), but someone needs to watch me.


Im sorry, I just cant. That is why I chose to use the honor system. It's hard enough for me to keep track of myself as it is...

Im sorry, I just cant. That is why I chose to use the honor system. It's hard enough for me to keep track of myself as it is...
I will (try) to keep accurate tabs on everyone else then, just to make sure 2,000,000 troops just "Voulenteer" for active duty

I will (try) to keep accurate tabs on everyone else then, just to make sure 2,000,000 troops just "Voulenteer" for active duty


Kamy, you really shouldn't have too. Eveyone here will RP with HONORand yes, rest assured that 5,000,000 volunteers wont appear in my ranks.:D

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h125/Panzer6/8f9f594c.jpg


WOOOOOOT!!! Figured it out. Anway, this 1 is obviously way to rough, so dont bother saving it. Ill give a 3 day period for everyone to criticize, and make changes, then i'll make the final and post in 3 days. Also, everyone should make an account on http://photobucket.com/register.php so that you can post your movements (basically you can save the final map, and then in paint you can draw arrows showing your area of attack.)

Is anyone going to see the map??

j0, I'd like to play. I was referred here by Kamy Kamy. If possible, I'd like to claim Poland. Thnx.

j0, I'd like to play. I was referred here by Kamy Kamy. If possible, I'd like to claim Poland. Thnx.


All yours buddy. Please review the rules, and your starting forces on page 4.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h125/Panzer6/8f9f594c.jpg
Do you want me to create an accurate territory map? I have one right here:
Note: All regions are named based on important cities in the area

Britian: 4, Ireland, Scotland, England, and Canada
France: 5, Paris, Marseille, Bordeaux, Brest, Metz
Spain: 3, Barcelona, Madrid, Sevilla
Batavia: 2, Brussels, and Amsterdamn
Portugal: 2, Porto, Lisbon
Switzerland: 1, Bern
Lombardy: 2, Turin, Venice
Papal states: 1, Rome
Kingdom of the two Sicilies: 3, Calgiari, Naples, Palermo
German Confederation: 2, Hamm, Kaiserland
Hannover: 2, Hannover, Nuremburg
Prussia: 1, Berlin
Saxony: 1, Dresden
Denmark: 2, Copenhagen, Oslo
Sweeden: 2, Stockholm, Lulea
Finland: 1, Helenski
Poland: 3, Warsaw, Krakow, and Minsk
Austria: 4, Vienna, Budapest, Prague, Zagres
Moldavia: 1, Kishinez
Russia: 5, Moscow, Riga, St. Petersburg, Yaktusk, Tbilisi
Ottomans: 3 Sofia, Ankar, Jerusleam

North Africa and the rest of the World are still unmapped, but I'll do that later

Sure, go ahead

Do you want me to create an accurate territory map? I have one right here:
Note: All regions are named based on important cities in the area

Britian: 4, Ireland, Scotland, England, and Canada
France: 5, Paris, Marseille, Bordeaux, Brest, Metz
Spain: 3, Barcelona, Madrid, Sevilla
Batavia: 2, Brussels, and Amsterdamn
Portugal: 2, Porto, Lisbon
Switzerland: 1, Bern
Lombardy: 2, Turin, Venice
Papal states: 1, Rome
Kingdom of the two Sicilies: 3, Calgiari, Naples, Palermo
German Confederation: 2, Hamm, Kaiserland
Hannover: 2, Hannover, Nuremburg
Prussia: 1, Berlin
Saxony: 1, Dresden
Denmark: 2, Copenhagen, Oslo
Sweeden: 2, Stockholm, Lulea
Finland: 1, Helenski
Poland: 3, Warsaw, Krakow, and Minsk
Austria: 4, Vienna, Budapest, Prague, Zagres
Moldavia: 1, Kishinez
Russia: 5, Moscow, Riga, St. Petersburg, Yaktusk, Tbilisi
Ottomans: 3 Sofia, Ankar, Jerusleam

North Africa and the rest of the World are still unmapped, but I'll do that later


I suggest you gain membership to photobucket, it'll make it alot easier. I am going to make another map, better detailed.

Do you want me to create an accurate territory map? I have one right here:
Note: All regions are named based on important cities in the area

Britian: 4, Ireland, Scotland, England, and Canada
France: 5, Paris, Marseille, Bordeaux, Brest, Metz
Spain: 3, Barcelona, Madrid, Sevilla
Batavia: 2, Brussels, and Amsterdamn
Portugal: 2, Porto, Lisbon
Switzerland: 1, Bern
Lombardy: 2, Turin, Venice
Papal states: 1, Rome
Kingdom of the two Sicilies: 3, Calgiari, Naples, Palermo
German Confederation: 2, Hamm, Kaiserland
Hannover: 2, Hannover, Nuremburg
Prussia: 1, Berlin
Saxony: 1, Dresden
Denmark: 2, Copenhagen, Oslo
Sweeden: 2, Stockholm, Lulea
Finland: 1, Helenski
Poland: 3, Warsaw, Krakow, and Minsk
Austria: 4, Vienna, Budapest, Prague, Zagres
Moldavia: 1, Kishinez
Russia: 5, Moscow, Riga, St. Petersburg, Yaktusk, Tbilisi
Ottomans: 3 Sofia, Ankar, Jerusleam

North Africa and the rest of the World are still unmapped, but I'll do that later

Flatering...anyway I was just giving everyone a basic idea of what my idea was. Go ahead and submit a map, but i'll have to tell you, that I will submit the final map. If your map is accurate enough ill use it, or make some changes. I want this to be fair.

Flatering...anyway I was just giving everyone a basic idea of what my idea was. Go ahead and submit a map, but i'll have to tell you, that I will submit the final map. If your map is accurate enough ill use it, or make some changes. I want this to be fair.
I mean for this to be used for the province map, for military buildings and econominc stuff. I do not mean for this to become a picture, just lines inbetween yours.

I mean for this to be used for the province map, for military buildings and econominc stuff. I do not mean for this to become a picture, just lines inbetween yours.


Im gonna ask that you DO NOT do this just yet please. The map I have now, basically is too rough. Tommorow im gonna redo it, with dark border lines and more detail.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h125/Panzer6/europe-blank-large.jpg

This map is better. Go ahead and add the prvinces kamy, but the game starts in 5 days.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h125/Panzer6/europe-blank-large.jpg

This map is better. Go ahead and add the prvinces kamy, but the game starts in 5 days.
My old one works fine for your new map, but I'll make a final one 1 day before we start, if that's okay

ok well what I wanted is for you to take the most recent map I posted, and add the provinces to that one, if you dont mind.

Spain and Portugal are still opern. ANY1 WHO WANTS TO JOIN UP PLZ DO SO IN THE NEXT 4 DAYS.

Starting forces

Russia
Infantry: 170,000
Cavalry: 3,000
Artillery: 20
Treasury: 40 million
Gain: 16 million

et. all.

If I missed you, go ahead and post.

As Poland, what are my starting stats? Also, I've decided to be a military dictatorship.

Spain and Portugal are still opern. ANY1 WHO WANTS TO JOIN UP PLZ DO SO IN THE NEXT 4 DAYS.
I thought Rofland had Spain

As Poland, what are my starting stats? Also, I've decided to be a military dictatorship.
This is unofficial, however maybe 50,000 infantry, 30 cannon, and 5,000 cavalry to get a rough estimate

Lol sorry, I guess I never posted for Poland.... anyway:

Infantry: 42,000
Cavalry: 4300
Cannon: 35
Treasury: 40 million
Gain: 13 million

I thought Rofland had Spain


He never confirmed....so I guess hes kicked.... BTW, Kamy hows the provinces for the map coming?

Ok guys, 3 days. Be ready.

He never confirmed....so I guess hes kicked.... BTW, Kamy hows the provinces for the map coming?
I don't have paint, so I can't seem to get it to work. I don't think it actually needs to get on the map. I don't want to play R:TW online, lets keep the rules loose on movment, but partial annexations could be kind of messy. We cxan work this out situationally later

Rofland is confirmed as Spain. Look at page 4 to see what you start with.
You confirmed him earlier

How bout the simple rule that you can only move from country to country? (Ex: France can attack the German Confederation, but not the ottomans)

Well, get Rofland to confirm, by posting something. Is everybody ready??

How bout the simple rule that you can only move from country to country? (Ex: France can attack the German Confederation, but not the ottomans)

Well, get Rofland to confirm, by posting something. Is everybody ready??
France is ready to Roll, Secret alliances are in place, muskets loaded, armies ready to invade, and countries are ready to be annexed

Also, can we only move through 1 country a year? Or only attack one country a year (so I could move troops to the Russian border in a year, but not conquer all of Germany and Poland in the process

Locked and loaded. :-)

Good to see you're all ready. Rofland, I take it your Spain? I'll add you.

And Kamy, you can attack as many nations as you want in a year, but you can only move from province to province. Say you border Poland and Russia. You can attack them both in 1 turn. But if you don not border a country it cannot be attacked. (unless you enact a right of passage with an allied country, then your forces can move through, and attackanother country)

Good to see you're all ready. Rofland, I take it your Spain? I'll add you.

And Kamy, you can attack as many nations as you want in a year, but you can only move from province to province. Say you border Poland and Russia. You can attack them both in 1 turn. But if you don not border a country it cannot be attacked. (unless you enact a right of passage with an allied country, then your forces can move through, and attackanother country)

What military system are we using?

What military system are we using?
Military system being combat system or production system?

What military system are we using?
honor

honor


Honor with me and Kamy moderating (to a small degree) We begin tommorow. Ill post th URL to then actual RP.

nation states went gay.....

nation states went gay.....
??

nation states went gay.....
I know, Nation Dates? what is that? You think that might be aroud Valentine's day . . .

It might be an April fools joke... anyway we start tommotow!

Good to see you're all ready. Rofland, I take it your Spain? I'll add you.

And Kamy, you can attack as many nations as you want in a year, but you can only move from province to province. Say you border Poland and Russia. You can attack them both in 1 turn. But if you don not border a country it cannot be attacked. (unless you enact a right of passage with an allied country, then your forces can move through, and attackanother country)
What I mean is can I move 500,000 troops to the Russian border from France in one year if I don't attack anything in between?

What I mean is can I move 500,000 troops to the Russian border from France in one year if I don't attack anything in between?


And if you have a right of passage with the nations that you would be passing through.

The thread!!! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475923

The thread!!! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475923

wooooooooooooooot

Who is going to mod the non-playable countries? If New Ausha will let me, I will do Portugal, Batavia, Moldovia, Switzerland, Hannover, German Confederation, and Saxony

ok... I guess I got north africa then.

Can I try to take North America from Canada? Where are the stats and the stuff I can buy.. can we quick link them on the first page?

Can I try to take North America from Canada? Where are the stats and the stuff I can buy.. can we quick link them on the first page?
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North America is owned by Canada?
what?

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North America is owned by Canada?
what?
He is talking about launching an attack from canda to conquer the rest of the New world

I don't know how that would work, but we could just say that there is no unoccupied territory, Britian owns all of current Canada, Russia owns Alaska, and Spain owns all of America west of the mississippi

ok... I guess I got north africa then.
And the U.S, China, Itlay (non-Lombardy), and Arabia/Iran (persia, etc.)
You can have Portugal and Batavia though, France doesn't have too good realtions with them and war could happen

Total accumalation of all stats and options so far (I filled some holes in the starting ships and changed the buildings to account for the abolishment of levels)
Starting forces:
France
Infantry: 125,000
Cavalry: 30,000
Artillery: 80
Treasury: 80 million
Income: 26 million
Navy:26 Sloops, 14 Frigates, 8 Ship-of-the-Line

Russia
Infantry: 170,000
Cavalry: 3,000
Artillery: 20
Treasury: 40 million
Gain: 16 million
Navy: 39 sloops, 23 frigates, and 3 Ships-of-the-line

Prussia
Infantry: 35,000
Cavalry: 15,000
Artillery: 65
Treasury: 50 million
Gain: 15 million
Navy: 20 sloops, 15 frigates, and 5 ship-of-the-line

Austria
Infantry: 80,000
Cavalry: 20,000
Artillery: 40
Treasury: 65 million
Gain: 20 million
Navy: 23 sloops, 12 frigates, and 10 ship-of-the-line

Spain
Infantry: 45,000
Cavalry: 12,000
Artillery: 34
Treasury: 35 million
Gain: 24 million
Navy: 38 sloops, 27 frigates, and 12 ship-of-the-line

Portugal
Infantry: 20,000
Cavalry: 1,000
Artillery: 25
Treasury: 25 million
Gain: 50 million
Navy: 45 sloops, 20 frigates, and 11 ship-of-the-line

Denmark & Norway
Infantry: 42,000
Cavalry: 1500
Artillery: 45
Treasury: 46 million
Gain: 18 million
Navy: 20 sloops, 14 frigates, and 3 ship-of-the-line

Sweden
Infantry: 32,000
Cavalry: 1600
Artillery: 65
Treasury: 54 million
Gain: 12 million
Navy: 26 sloops, 13 frigates, and 4 ship-of-the-line

Ottoman
Infantry: 225,000
Cavalry: 55,000
Artillery: 20
Treasury: 48 million
Gain: 17 million
Navy: 42 sloops, 16 frigates, and 1 ship-of-the-line

Kingdom of Naples
Infantry: 12,500
Cavalry: 8500
Artillery: 85
Treasury: 60 million
Gain: 65 million
Navy: 34 sloops, 34 frigates, 24 Ship-of-the-line

Defensive buildings:
trenching lines: cost: 20 million (since this is an HONOR rp the people fighting will agree how much of an edge the defender gets from this.

Entrenched artillery positions: 25 million

Hidden command posts: 45 million

Advanced masonry: 130 million

Fortress: 75 million each

Guard towers: 14 million each

Home guard units: (peasents that rise to arms)= 170 million

Tactics upgrades:

The square formation: (France automatically recievs this for free, in 1799 ): cost: 170 million

Double line formation: 185 million

Advanced officer training: 260 million

Stabilized artillery: 200 million

Strategic skirmishing: 140 million

Modern guerilla tactics: only used in capital provinces, ex: paris, berlin, vienna) 460 million

Economic upgrades: ^=only needs to be purchased once. Everything else can be purchased for each province.

Basic banking: Cost: 65 million^ Effect: +10 million for every province you have per year

Paper currency: Cost: 130 million^ Effect: +40 million per year

National bank: Cost: 45 million Effect: +15 million for the province its in per year

Transaction records: Cost 230 million^ Effect: +35 million per year

Private Industry: Cost: 450 million^ Effect: 1/4 of what you are currently producing yearly is now added (ex: your making 100 million, after upgrade: 125 million)

General Insurance: Cost: 280 million^ Effect: +55 million per year

Accounting departments: Cost: 65 million Effect: +10 million per year for the province it is in.

Dept collection: Cost: 600 million Effect: Collect 1/5 of what everybody has in their treasury. Only used once.

National lottery: Cost: 145 million Effect: +20 million for each province

High tariffs: Cost: 375 million^ Effect: +40 million for every human player in the RP. Lasts for the remainder of the game.

Organized tax collection: Cost: 100 million Effect:+35 million per year

Treasury Department: Cost: 540 million^ Effect: +85 million per year

Military buildings:
Conscription posts: + 15,000 men cost: 30 million
Basic Barracks: +30,000 men cost: 70 million
Military academies: + 45,000 men cost: 110 million
Advanced Barracks: + 90,000 men cost: 230 million

Smelters: +20 cannon cost: 20 million
Foundries: +40 cannons cost: 50 million
Advanced foundries: +80 cannons cost: 110 million

Horse Breeding Grounds: +6,000 cavalry cost: 20 million
Stables: + 12,000 cavalry cost: 50 million
Advanced Stables: + 24,000 cavalry cost: 110 million

Royal training camps (exclusive to absolute monarchies): + 100,000 infantry, 45,000 cavalry cost: 650 million

Organized conscription (exclusive to dictatorships): +300,000 infantry cost: 800 million

Senate draft proclamation (exclusive to democracies): +150,000 infantry, 40,000 cavalry cost: 825 million

Under her majesty's service (exclusive to constitutional monarchs): + 125,000 infantry, 50,000 cavalry cost: 735 million

Imperial loyalty (exclusive to empires): +400,000 infantry cost: 900 million

Rights of every soldier: (exclusive to allied states): 200,000infantry, 100,000 cavalry cost: 1000 million

Thanks kamy. Btw where is everyone else? Why arent they posting in the RP? Oh well, my 5 day rule still apllies... Also, a new year begins at 10 pm pacific time.

Thanks kamy. Btw where is everyone else? Why arent they posting in the RP? Oh well, my 5 day rule still apllies... Also, a new year begins at 10 pm pacific time.
Pacific coast time or Pacific Island time?