NationStates Jolt Archive

Post all invasions, land changes, blah blah blah here.
Post all random arguments here:http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472096
Please, don't fill this up with stuff like that, please.
NO OLD NATIONS MAY TAKE NEW LANDS ON NEW CONTINENT! Other islands are fine.
Nation Map:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4849/florintinecontinentislandaddna.jpg

Topo Map:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2752/florintinecontinentopo7hy.jpg

Resources Map:
http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/2936/florintinecontinentresources4r.jpg

New Topo Map
http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/4557/florintinecontinentislandaddto.jpg
This is just to show a comparison from new to old. I like this one better, what do YOU think?

Oh, and I saved over the new topo map in bmp, so no more alterations :(

Climate Map
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/4655/florintinecontinentislandaddcl.jpg

[ I thought RC didn't have a homeland? ]

Hmm, I guess he does.

[ I remember him saying in the Frenzia invasion that he was based in Whyatica, like Raven Corps was a nomadic or loosely-bound organization, rather than a true nation.

Well, screw that, then. Gejigrad's nuclear subs now have a target. >:3 ]

thats property. YEs he now has a " home land" I guess you can say, but when he said that he has no "Homeland", he means he has no one place of being. His H.Q. is in Terra City, WIllink, A multi-national city made up of about 10 nations( most gone now). This is not to say that Raven corps, while being a company, does not have land. Of course he has land. he would need it to expand operations. But most of the lands he owns have been completely used up and are now huge facilities. Like massive cities. SOme are used for Security Forces breeding grounds. This would explain his large troop numbers. Being a corporation frees you from normal limits of a nation. as a nation only a max of 8% can be military,this is because you must factor in elderly, sick, young, and ETC.... - As where if you are like Raven corps, you have no population, you have employees, His numbers can be much greater then that of a normal nation. And while being a company his budget would be different. A lot would go to production, and his products would also be his weapons. SO he is like a self sistained war company, boosted by every sell he makes.

We had a long discussion about Corporations along time ago. You would have to ask him about it more. This is just what I remember.

*cough cough*:http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472096!

I'm advancing on the little island chain just south of my country. See this thread for more details: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472121

My island does not look right on you map. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/WolfeIsland.png
That is what it original looked like at the began of all of this.

At Transylvania:
Hmm, I think I know what happened. I changed the map by accident, just so I could see what it would look like, and saved it as the same file. So it got overwritten. Does it bother you the way it is on the continent map, or would you be willing to keep it the way it is?


Also, its going to end up being VERY hard to add every single Island to the Topo map, so if it changes at all, which I'll try not to do, I'm sorry.
And it will be some cooler colors!

At Transylvania:
Hmm, I think I know what happened. I changed the map by accident, just so I could see what it would look like, and saved it as the same file. So it got overwritten. Does it bother you the way it is on the continent map, or would you be willing to keep it the way it is?

Yes, it does because my map (The one you made for me) is not the same as the main map. Three things do not fit right.

The northern tip, closest to Rosi, is all wrong on the main map. Plus, that area is where the twin cities are at. And it would not work on the main map.

The north-eastern side of the island as a weird piece of land on the main map and not on map.

The southern and eastern coast look wrong on the main map. Just look and see.

And if you fix it on the main map and make it look correct, it would be nice for you do it.

I have invaded the islands to my north-east, just so you know. It seems to not be contested by any other nation, so I assume I have colonized them sucessfully. I've posted the thread in the news under A Strategic Move

Added new smallish continet to the map, go ahead and pick out if your a new nation. Don't even bother if your not.

just to point out, don't know whether or not you'd like to colour them, but the UK is colonising those islands in an arc located between Florintinian Ramissle and Kingsland (the UK)

Ooops! I'll add it now.

Roman Greece would like the land to the southwest of Newtdom, that grey land on the map. Thank you.

Roman Greece would like the land to the southwest of Newtdom, that grey land on the map. Thank you.
Lol, you cant have ALL of it. How about the end of the island.

Lol, you cant have ALL of it. How about the end of the island.

Sorry for that, I am new to this thread and so on. The end of the island? If I could, could we split it into West and East and I get one half? If not, we can discuss the end of the island.

That would still be an AWFUL lot. I'll put you down for the end, and see if you like it.

That would still be an AWFUL lot. I'll put you down for the end, and see if you like it.

Thanks. When you put me on the map, tell me so I can see where I am.

Done.

Thanks for fixing my island, Ramissle.

Done.


Thanks. It is ok I suppose but can I RP taking over the rest of the island if no one claims it or anything? If no, I understand, I am not trying to be greedy.

I guess if no one takes it in the next few days...

But I'd rather you try to take some of the gray islands that arent on that continent.

I guess if no one takes it in the next few days...

But I'd rather you try to take some of the gray islands that arent on that continent.

Thanks. If no one takes it then I will try to take it over (though I have not done any war RPG's or anything like that really). Also, where on the map are the grey islands? Just so I can make sure of things.

I would like an island. just any island or a group of islands. you pick.

thanks, by the way, and then ramissle, i was wondering if you'd be interested in talking about some work on more detailed continental-wide thematic maps, ie resources and climate and biomes and such - if you're interested, because I think it would help with writing a wiki article

Been working on that today, I'll get some up tommorow. I'll get your map up tommorow too Prairie du sac, imageshack is being mean to me.

not a problem, just offering some help if you need it

try photobucket its what i use.

Added nation map and BRAND NEW TOPO MAP!
I like it much better.

OMG NEW CLIMATE MAP!!!!

Oh, and just FYI, I didn't purposly save over the map so I no one could request alterations, it was all a huge accident. I can make it so I have a clean bmp version of it again, but it will take a really long time and I don't want too. :)

very nice, i like the climate map a good deal...

and now I know what sort of agriculture and mining industries I have...

hooray for productive environment for highly nutritional grains! and other such things, would it be a big deal if when I work on a more detailed map for my territory if I add some rivers and such?

Go ahead and add them. I did.
Oh, and I'm working on the history of the continent right now.
EDIT: Hmm, the histories not going to well...

any sticking points in particular?

any sticking points in particular?
Everything. Major writers block. Like, the only thing I can think of is having it originally been a much larger continent, and then the inner sea, which was originally a huge plains area filled with water. Kind of like the Mediterranian.

i can definately see that for the inland sea

other things that appear to me just at a quick glance:

The northern coast could be the result of the beginning stages of an ocean plate subsiding underneath the continental Irathrian plate, evidenced by the mountain ranges on the northern coast and the numerous islands... of course if this is the case the northern coast would be wracked by volcanic mountains and there'd likely be a few smaller islands along that horizontal axis of those three northern most islands.

As for the southern island/continent, it appears to fit into the main body of Irathria and could be a subcontinent tearing itself away from the rest of the plate, creating a rift valley that has since flooded. This would mean a great deal of tectonic activity and earthquakes in those areas, though.

Towards the south, I'd imagine something like a great submerged continental shelf, unlike the north which has a deep trench just offshore. I say this because as I look at the map there seems a lack of large, flat, rolling plains that chacterise most RL continents, and so I'd imagine that there were either large plains (such as the inland plain and one to the south that merged in plate collision causing the southern mountains) that were flooded with the rise of the sea levels.

Those are just some ideas off the top of my head, though.

Sounds good and believable.

Thanks for the new map, and I like all the resources around my nation!

A suggestion, we should show the primary naval Traffic Lanes, along with a naming of the various waters.

This should include my canal

I would also like to claim the two Islands to the Northeast for an offshore Oil Colonies, thanks

^
Getting to this.

Can I have two or three islands? The ones in the north of Irathia. Thanks.

Can I have two or three islands? The ones in the north of Irathia. Thanks.
Hmm, has this been RPed?
Same with you Niall.

Hmm, has this been RPed?
Same with you Niall.

Sorry. That must have slipped my mind. Thanks for telling me.

Roman Greece, we can start a thread, or we can just have negotiations in the courtship thread

do we have names for the straights all around, 'cause it will get cumbersome otherwise

yes or no?:confused:

Roman Greece, we can start a thread, or we can just have negotiations in the courtship thread

I guess we could do it in the courtship thread, if you want.

Can I have the islands to my north (the ones northwest of Slarchers). If I get the okay I'll roleplay it out (I have some good ideas). Also, can I have the small, easternmost island of that island-chain to my west? The rest someone else can have, I just need that one island so that shipping lane can't get cut down by you war-loving nations. Lastly, are the northern volcanoes still active? A massive volcanic eruption could be a good roleplay.

Hello! I'm a brand new nation on the international scene [though not to Nationstates], and I was wondering if you could maybe make a little room on Irathria for a newcomer like myself? I was thinking the land south of Xantias and Asbena looked rather promising, though if it's too much for a chickling like myself I would have no problem settling for half that size. Let me know whenever, and thanks.

EDIT: On second thought, after reviewing the climate map, I'd prefer to change my land bid to the opposite end of the isle that Roman Greece is on. My nation will be played as a hot, jungle-covered landmass, hence the change. Of course, I don't want to crowd Roman Greece [especially since he'd like to expand], so the end of the isle would be ideal.

Hello! I'm a brand new nation on the international scene [though not to Nationstates], and I was wondering if you could maybe make a little room on Irathria for a newcomer like myself? I was thinking the land south of Xantias and Asbena looked rather promising, though if it's too much for a chickling like myself I would have no problem settling for half that size. Let me know whenever, and thanks.

EDIT: On second thought, after reviewing the climate map, I'd prefer to change my land bid to the opposite end of the isle that Roman Greece is on. My nation will be played as a hot, jungle-covered landmass, hence the change. Of course, I don't want to crowd Roman Greece [especially since he'd like to expand], so the end of the isle would be ideal.

Hello there. Roman Greece would like to welcome you to Irathia. We hope you will have a good time here. Also, as for your statement on our expanding, we sort of do but we are planning that out.

Anyway, welcome to Irathia.

Roman Greece

Hello there. Roman Greece would like to welcome you to Irathia. We hope you will have a good time here. Also, as for your statement on our expanding, we sort of do but we are planning that out.

Anyway, welcome to Irathia.

Roman Greece

Why, thank you very much. The welcome is much appreciated, and I hope, if indeed my nation's request for a space on Irathria is fulfilled, that our nations will benefit from being within such a close proximity of one another. It'll be interesting having a neighbor; my main nation has never had such. Plus, since the story of Ttambo is practically unwritten, I would be able to connect Roman Greece into it somehow. This should make for very good future roleplays, should it happen.

Why, thank you very much. The welcome is much appreciated, and I hope, if indeed my nation's request for a space on Irathria is fulfilled, that our nations will benefit from being within such a close proximity of one another. It'll be interesting having a neighbor; my main nation has never had such. Plus, since the story of Ttambo is practically unwritten, I would be able to connect Roman Greece into it somehow. This should make for very good future roleplays, should it happen.

I am sure that your nation's request may be approved. Also, it would be ok, I suppose if Roman Greece is in the story of Ttambo. I hope you have a good time in Irathia. Your welcome for the greeting.

Roman Greece

OOC-Sorry for short reply.

Ttambo, I'm adding you now.

Could I please be added to the Map, on the section next to Roman Greece? in some suitably evil colour, is prefered, Red and black or a Dark Crimson red..

Sure sure.
EDIT: Hmm, should I put you down as Slovania or The Kraven Corperation?

I'm going to expand a bit on the islands to my northwest, if nobody else has claimed them.

RP it, RP it, RP it.
:D

Duh. I'll make my thread in a bit.

Sure sure.
EDIT: Hmm, should I put you down as Slovania or The Kraven Corperation?

Erm, The Kraven Corporation, but Don't make it public, so just call it, hmmm...

Cydonia for now....

Got it. I'll get to that soon.

Here you go: Bukkha and Samsara (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472877)

The Tyr Islands are the islands north of me (northwest of Slarchers). I also claimed the easternmost of the islands to my west (just the little one for shipping security purposes), but I figured one little island wasn't worth a whole roleplay. The rest of those western islands Whyatica is claiming and he can name then and everything else.

Can you paint that island chain on my eastern cost in my color? I’m rping the take over.

Yeah, the waters are named, thank you.

*Niall bows deeply*

now we will not be fumbling over the names of the waters.

Added stuff.
Finally!

Can I claim land?

Where?
Oops, gotta add TKC

On the island, I am on, is there any land I can claim?

^ Actually, that's the land I wanted to claim.

^ Actually, that's the land I wanted to claim.

On the island that I stated?

Ya, that empty land.

Ya, that empty land.

I see. I was just seeing if I could claim any land. How should we decide this?

Can someone fill me in on what I just caused here?

May I claim land on the peninsula above Sanderburg? It's filled with resources and has good weather - is there a reason anyone hasn't claimed it?

May I claim land on the peninsula above Sanderburg? It's filled with resources and has good weather - is there a reason anyone hasn't claimed it?
Yes, no one is allowed to have that land. Sorry.

May I claim the land directly to the east of Velkya?

No, he said that someone else is supposed to be his neighbor, but he didn't say who.

How about that just south to Asbena?

Ok, go start a colonization thread and your good to go.

Please note that I am slowly claiming the islands between Velkya and Raven Corps in "Mahan, Applied (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477144)."

Is the point of this thread to claim land? If thats the case, i'd like to claim the Island directly North of Slarchers. Theres no name attached to it, so im assuming it hasnt been previously claimed...

Colony thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477601

Is the point of this thread to claim land? If thats the case, i'd like to claim the Island directly North of Slarchers. Theres no name attached to it, so im assuming it hasnt been previously claimed...
Well.....
Would you mind claiming somewhere else? I'm planning on using that for an upcoming RP...

Well.....
Would you mind claiming somewhere else? I'm planning on using that for an upcoming RP...


not at all, i'll take another look at the map. Thanks for informing me!

Well.....
Would you mind claiming somewhere else? I'm planning on using that for an upcoming RP...


How about the Island directly left of that? If not im okay with taking the area next to Velkya.

The island to the left is fine.

The island to the left is fine.


Thank you. Would you like me to Fact Book my colony?

Thank you. Would you like me to Fact Book my colony?
Uh, sure.

Make sure you write up a small colonization thread.

done, i did my colonization thread.

could you color my part of the map red? That is my national color, and i did not see it on the other politcal maps. If this color is not availible, any other color out there will do. Thank you!

bump

Zukariaa has taken the island to the north of Raven Corps. I guess?

Zukariaa']Zukariaa has taken the island to the north of Raven Corps. I guess?


Sorry, but thats my territory, it just hasnt been marked yet. The Island to the left of it is reserved as well. As far as i know, all other unmarked space is availible though :)

Dang.. well, what about the islands to the right of Koryan and Whyatica?

Bump.

Erm can I claim a section of Irathria for my home country? Is there any land left, or could you edit the map to add me?

Zukariaa']Dang.. well, what about the islands to the right of Koryan and Whyatica?


Unless they've claimed them for an RP, i dont see why not. But this isnt my thread...

Um, ok. When does this get updated and stuff?

Erm can I claim a section of Irathria for my home country? Is there any land left, or could you edit the map to add me?
Yes, where abouts would you like? I'll even add to it for you, mostly because its easier to add to the other maps than it is to edit this one.

You could either add another largish island on the northern end of the map, or you can attach me to the mainland in the north (if thats acceptable, after all it will mean a nation suddenly has a new boarder).

Added Frozopia

ahh more meat for the grinder, soon i will start the Irathria war...(im not kidding, its my plan to plundge Irathia into a massive war.). anyway welcome to Irathria.

ahh more meat for the grinder, soon i will start the Irathria war...(im not kidding, its my plan to plundge Irathia into a massive war.). anyway welcome to Irathria.


OOOKAY then, time to start consolidating my alliance with Roman Greece, Asbena, ICCD, and Yurka

ahh more meat for the grinder, soon i will start the Irathria war...(im not kidding, its my plan to plundge Irathia into a massive war.). anyway welcome to Irathria.

When such a war brakes out, i am remaining neutral.

When such a war brakes out, i am remaining neutral.

When Kraven gets involved, No one is Neutral... Neutral is just a word... :cool:

Wanderjar, I come representing Niall Noiglach (it takes too much time to log out and then log back in). Ard Ri Niall of NN offers you a full membership in the Mutual Defense Pact that NN will be forming, called the Irathrian Defence Force. also invited are ICCD, Yurka, Roman Greece, Amazonian Beasts, and Asbena. If interested, TG Niall Noiglach, and he will set up a closed thread for the formation of our alliance.

I won't be remaining neutral, rather I'll do some minor stuff to both sides and pick one eventually.

What are the specific sides? Not that I intend to get involved...

Well I am trying to start up a mutual defence pact.

Well I am trying to start up a mutual defence pact.


I'll sign that. The reason i declare neutrality is that i'm currently engaged in a war. But should the need arise for my military to assist other nations, I will do this. American Privateer, you have my word on that.


---Emperor Christoph Baker of the Dominion of Wanderjar

I'll sign that. The reason i declare neutrality is that i'm currently engaged in a war. But should the need arise for my military to assist other nations, I will do this. American Privateer, you have my word on that.


---Emperor Christoph Baker of the Dominion of Wanderjar

Here is the link, I have the proposal up, and If you have any ideas, just throw 'em out, and it will be debated

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10805275#post10805275

note that the maps were altered from what was stated when sorting out borders and the topo change in the south caused border issues with amazonian beasts.. you are messing around with the 'natural' borders. I'm attempting to work out an arangement but I may request that the southern topo be reverted if amazonia isn't for moving 'the original' border which wasn't drawn as stated. I'll post up the corrections that I've been going with since it was stated. The resources can stay the same or perhaps some more resources can be added to keep amazonian beasts happy. For a win win situation.
these areas arn't mapped the island just north of rosicrusi and south of raven. If those arn't previouslly taken then

a thread can be started otherwise ICCD has brought them into a protectorate. The govenor of the island was former cheif araku zenu they have relatively low population and the islands have little resource the island population is around 1 million.


The other unpainted Island is in the center of the inner sea between ramissle and florintine if they are not previously claimed ICCD is sending the third and fourth dian fleets to enact seizure of the islands. .. I think Niall may have claimed the two southern ones.. if so, ICCD just goes for the two northern ones..

threads can be started as needed.

also that CHUNK of land next to the iltremian sea.. that use to be florintine if it hasn't been invaded will be so invaded, on a basis of ICCD bringing it into a protectorship via paying 50 million G$ / year to the leader of the Ilterian Peninsula (as a payoff) as well as investing funds into the area and offering greater defence.

Also the Unpainted Hoplite Sea Islands if unclaimed are being administered via the first Dian Fleet and 4th and 5th state merchant marine.

The island off the coast of Ramissle Truitt if indeed still unclaimed will be administed via the 6th and potentially 7th Dian Fleets as well as the 8th and 9th merchant marine.

I'm not sure of their status etc.. so if there is any errors here can you clarify which of these islands are claimed if any.. any past histories so I don't mess with your timelines etc..

I'm trying to keep the areas clear.. send updates and requests to me and I'll add it to the map.'
I'll try to keep all operatiohttp://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6205/florintinecontinentislandaddna.gifns and claims clear.. post here as well on changes

It's too small...

It's too small...

He's right, you need a bigger map

Oooh, I'll have that grey land on the right of Velkya.

It's too small...
I can post up the fullsize..

hold on...

if posible do your corrections and information on any map it makes it easier if we just keep on writing over old maps.. for instance in photoshop you have the transparency option what you do is.. just repaint your new map for the corrections adjust the transperancy and write overtop of it.. and it will show where the disputed or errored area is.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6205/florintinecontinentislandaddna.gif

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6205/florintinecontinentislandaddna.gif

apparently beltway didn't move in so it reverses my reversal of the reversal but the original reason for the reversal isnt require so they are still going in unless someone is around to go into the area as discused such as amazon beasts either to the third zone or barbary..
or both if your interested.

p.s. amazonian beasts I know that those islands jst under you need to be painted it will be included in the next update

Er, you got us too far to the north. We hold the coast, near the West Islands; what you call NW Ramissle is SW Ramissle...

last post I read you said you didn't do anything yet?

The reason why it is NW is because the island was a new addition. I prefer to differentiate 'mainland' ramissle from the islands.

Although if you don't have any navy in the area what are you taking it with I have countless thousands of troops in the area and three fleets operating along the coast.

Where is the post or thread that explains this.

Just to clarify the situation, as far as ICCD is concerned.

THE AREA IS BEING LIQUIDATED.

Lots of very serious armoured troops tanks and helicopters.
No fly zones being inforced people being deported and sent to holdings locations.

Operations of thousands upon thousands of special forces rounding up high profile individuals either for protective custody or to remove security risks.

Military bases being secured. Tight coordination with Ramissles military for continuty of government in Ramissle proper.

The ramissle population is around 17 civilians to one ICCD Emergency Services Personnel. Ramissle officers are acting as general coordinators and peace officers.

Everything is being shut down. Potentially uncleared foreign aircraft would become engaged.

As far as clarification of you operations you told me it was not known. as far as ICCD is concerned IC you arn't active in the area unless information comes up otherwise. ICCD has much intelligence on Ramissle, this is due to our long standing relationship as having a warry peace, but there is a level of respect and cooperation among us that stretches back many hundreds of years.

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You can tell your story now. I've read what you have written but it doesn't qualify as a land claim 'at this point' if you were to establish control of a population center or be able to defeat the administrative forces that would change. ICCD isn't yet entrenched in the area (except perhaps in the border regions) but it has secured major roadways population centers airlanes, ports, train etc.. basically controlling movement. They have also instituted martial law, this is to prevent a 'foreign' power invasion and to insure the sovreignty of ramissle. ICCD is doing this because it has arrangements with ramissle and feels it is a security risk as they openly stated to have anyone but the rightful ramissle democratic government in ramissle all illegal states will be removed (and as of the huge special forces operation have managed to shut down all but those power constitutionally allowed to keep the ramisslian order. (minor resistance has been met in various areas but the superior firepower (less so numbers) made it a non issue. There have been casualties though but that information has not yet been released. In Forintine the situation appears much graver as far as any continuation of former government.

If any fleets or ships operate in the blockade area they will be flagged.
play it out of course.. we'll hit a working common reality eventually..

last post I read you said you didn't do anything yet?

The reason why it is NW is because the island was a new addition. I prefer to differentiate 'mainland' ramissle from the islands.

Although if you don't have any navy in the area what are you taking it with I have countless thousands of troops in the area and three fleets operating along the coast.

Where is the post or thread that explains this?
See Ramissle's original departure thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10886734) for explanation of my initial deployment; see Mahan, Applied (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477144) and my defence ministry page for details on the deployment.
We moved first; thus, you were preempted. Besides, you would have undoubtably encountered resistance at sea and on land; people in civil wars rarely like to have foreign powers intervene unless the foreigners are on their side, and Ramissle-Florentine had a strong navy and army.

Just to clarify the situation, as far as ICCD is concerned.

THE AREA IS BEING LIQUIDATED.

Lots of very serious armoured troops tanks and helicopters.
No fly zones being inforced people being deported and sent to holdings locations.

Operations of thousands upon thousands of special forces rounding up high profile individuals either for protective custody or to remove security risks.

Military bases being secured. Tight coordination with Ramissles military for continuty of government in Ramissle proper.

The ramissle population is around 17 civilians to one ICCD Emergency Services Personnel. Ramissle officers are acting as general coordinators and peace officers.

Everything is being shut down. Potentially uncleared foreign aircraft would become engaged.

As far as clarification of you operations you told me it was not known. as far as ICCD is concerned IC you arn't active in the area unless information comes up otherwise. ICCD has much intelligence on Ramissle, this is due to our long standing relationship as having a warry peace, but there is a level of respect and cooperation among us that stretches back many hundreds of years.

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You can tell your story now. I've read what you have written but it doesn't qualify as a land claim 'at this point' if you were to establish control of a population center or be able to defeat the administrative forces that would change. ICCD isn't yet entrenched in the area (except perhaps in the border regions) but it has secured major roadways population centers airlanes, ports, train etc.. basically controlling movement. They have also instituted martial law, this is to prevent a 'foreign' power invasion and to insure the sovreignty of ramissle. ICCD is doing this because it has arrangements with ramissle and feels it is a security risk as they openly stated to have anyone but the rightful ramissle democratic government in ramissle all illegal states will be removed (and as of the huge special forces operation have managed to shut down all but those power constitutionally allowed to keep the ramisslian order. (minor resistance has been met in various areas but the superior firepower (less so numbers) made it a non issue. There have been casualties though but that information has not yet been released. In Forintine the situation appears much graver as far as any continuation of former government.

If any fleets or ships operate in the blockade area they will be flagged.
play it out of course.. we'll hit a working common reality eventually..
Intracircumcordei - You're rping this horribly. You can't just waltz into a civil war and expect to dominate everyone.

If you claim a no-fly zone over Ramissle, you'll have to enforce it; the successor states will probably be pissed, and you'll have to tie down air assets dealing with their air force and AD.

VIPs are likely to have bodyguards; any attempts to round them up will turn into small-scale battles. Further, by angering leaders rather than trying to help them, as individuals, secure a reunified Ramissle, you've lost many potential allies and soured the rest of Ramissle on you.

You won't be able to secure tight cooperation with Ramissle's military; the military is probably divided, and individual generals-turned-warlords will not be inclined to back you without incentives. Further, Ramissle is in a state of civil war; its government and officials are no longer capable of providing assistance, and are likely to turn on you in order to gain popular support.

Everything is being shut down? Clarify, please...

My operations are known, in the sense that you know I deployed to New Barbary; it is not, however, known that The Beltway intends to invade other successor states.

We never claimed to have claimed land at this point; we've so far acted in support of a successor state.

There is no rightful government of Ramissle; Ramissle is dead.

Here is the latest

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expect to dominate everyone ~ well I outnumber everyone else
claim a no-fly zone over Ramissle, you'll have to enforce it~ it is being enforced I have hypersonic stealth aircraft firing hypersonic stealth missles at anything not declaring itself.

successor states ~I'm protecting the authentic military Ramissle has a history of harsh enforcement. We sent special forces to take out all high profile people ICCD was aware of. Any militaries that commit 'treason' would be attacked considering the odds I think most would stay loyal.

VIPs are likely to have bodyguards; any attempts to round them up will turn into small-scale battles. ~ yup thats why I 'attritions over 1000 special forces casualties.

I don't think I've soured ramissle... they would rather be strong then weak and dominated by foreign powers, we are securing their sovereignty any military person would rather be strong then weak.

You can play the traitors I'll play the loyals but I think most would be loyal.


And ICCD is taking out all the traitors.



Everything is being shut down? Clarify, please...

Roads, airports, ports, train stations. It is all being stopped martial law. Arrests deportations.



you have no right to be in new barbary.. supporting a treasonis government, get out, or face air strikes. The 'successor state' has no right.. THAT IS TREASON.


The rightful government is continuty of government. Where they are left they need to reelect their leaders, democratically and that is why ICCD and allies are there.

GET OUT.

p.s. the reason why I am playing in summary mode is because there is so much happening it is not posible to RP every occurance so any occurance in which there would be an RP between 'real people' or if you felt like it background could be done. If you have any requests about anything going on you'd like written out just TG me and I'll write something up. If there is a 'conflict' between us which sounds like it is going to happen then we just both agree that we are going to meet then we can write it out. Due to many different things going on, it isn't posible for me to RP all my multimillions strong military or political so I summarize. Get it.


I've had crashes here.. loosing some long posts that is why some of it is summarized as well. I know what is going on from this end. Most of it is just fill the important thing is Martial Law, stoppage of everything nonessentially and deportation of any foreign nationals. Any militant forces seeking to undermine the ramisslian government are being killed or capture. High profile individuals put into protective custody or if they resist killed, unless they have vouchers from the senior command.

Communications systems are being monitored. ICCD is taking orders from the Ramissle National Security Teams and the Justice System as well as oversight. If they all match up. As far as ICCD is aware beltway has not legitimate reason to have a mechanized division in Ramissle right now and they have not given ICCD a legitimate reason. So they are 'invading' all those that claim 'independance are traitors' and they had special forces teams taken out.. some failed and you can take that into account for any characters you would like that survived. However, ICCD and the Loyal Ramissle has dominance in the area through numbers as far as I am aware.

That is why I see you capacity to 'secure the large area' as inadeqeuet. Note the operational armies are not the only forces in Ramissle the city forces are also there and there is oddly a higher concentration in central ramissle then the west coast.

You can think what you'd like but put in any requests you have. We have two conflicting ideas for the future of the area.. the difference.. it's my next door neighbour.

Intracircumcordei, your nation’s pop is 752 million. I repeat 752 million people. Meaning that your army, air force, and navy will be 37,600,000 at 5% of your pop. At 10% is will be 75,200,000. On NS, everybody does not go above 10% of your pop. So, you do not outnumber anybody. So, stop godmodding or you will kicked out of Irathria.

Right now, there is no leader of this thread. Meaning everybody is like a leader now. All we have to do is vote to kick you out. Understand?

expect to dominate everyone ~ well I outnumber everyone else
claim a no-fly zone over Ramissle, you'll have to enforce it~ it is being enforced I have hypersonic stealth aircraft firing hypersonic stealth missles at anything not declaring itself.

successor states ~I'm protecting the authentic military Ramissle has a history of harsh enforcement. We sent special forces to take out all high profile people ICCD was aware of. Any militaries that commit 'treason' would be attacked considering the odds I think most would stay loyal.

VIPs are likely to have bodyguards; any attempts to round them up will turn into small-scale battles. ~ yup thats why I 'attritions over 1000 special forces casualties.

I don't think I've soured ramissle... they would rather be strong then weak and dominated by foreign powers, we are securing their sovereignty any military person would rather be strong then weak.

You can play the traitors I'll play the loyals but I think most would be loyal.


And ICCD is taking out all the traitors.



Everything is being shut down? Clarify, please...

Roads, airports, ports, train stations. It is all being stopped martial law. Arrests deportations.



you have no right to be in new barbary.. supporting a treasonis government, get out, or face air strikes. The 'successor state' has no right.. THAT IS TREASON.


The rightful government is continuty of government. Where they are left they need to reelect their leaders, democratically and that is why ICCD and allies are there.

GET OUT.
One, you cannot outnumber Ramissle; Transylvania, and everyone else before Transylvania who has weighed in on the size of your military, is correct. It cannot be done; even Kraven - a state that focuses on war, that maintains itself and its armies through brainwashed slave labor - has a military that is about 5% of its population.
Two, there is no such thing as a hypersonic stealth aircraft/missile; it's a contradiction in terms.
Three, it's a civil war, so everyone claims to be loyal.
Four, you will be seen as foreign occupiers; you apparently had sour relations earlier, and worse, you never took a side, so, by default, you are everyone's foe. You can claim you're there to support democracy, but it would be incredibly easy for opportunistic people (like officers, governors, mayors, businessmen, etc.) to claim that you're foreign occupiers bent on ruling over Ramissle. In Ramissle, you are the only foreign occupier; The Beltway was accepted into New Barbary. Oh, and military people are very patriotic; thus, they'll not view you as making them strong, but as invaders to be driven out.
Five, again, since everyone claims to be a 'loyalist' fighting the 'traitors,' there are no loyalists. There is only opposition. You, by the way, would be seen as being brought in by the 'traitors' (who are simply the political enemies of whoever is using you in an argument).
Six, attempting to secure all transportation facilities means that you'll have to hold them down against attacks; further, they'll probably be sabotaged as soon as people realize what you're trying to do, and then you'll have some supply issues to deal with.
Seven, we have every right to be in New Barbary; it is a successor to a government that has collapsed. You aren't in charge of Ramissle; nobody is. Or, to put it bluntly: Ramissle ceased to exist.
Eight, there is no government for continuity.
Ninth, in reference to your other topic: I'm not saying you wouldn't react to chaos, I'm saying you'd be unable to deal with chaos in time. In other words, I'm postulating that Ramissle's society is loose and unstable, with a strong potential for collapse; a reasonable hypothesis, given that Ramissle apparently began to collapse after its President was assassinated. A more stable society would survive an assassinated leader without governmental collapse.

expect to dominate everyone ~ well I outnumber everyone else
Like the CCCP outnumbered Chechnia and Afghanistan...Plus, you have most of the Rammisillian military fighting you. So it's you versus Rammisile. I know who my money is on.

claim a no-fly zone over Ramissle, you'll have to enforce it~ it is being enforced I have hypersonic stealth aircraft firing hypersonic stealth missles at anything not declaring itself.
Hypersonic stealth aircraft/missiles? Honstly, that is a real low for Irathria. In NS, you can't expect to be both decently stealthed AND hypersonic, you have to choose one due to the uber-radar everyone claims, plus the nature of RAM.

Don't try the 'stealthed shape' shape argument, because anyone with the means to uses distributed arrays whenever possible, plus the shapes that are stealthy are nowhere near the ones that are fast. The Avro Arrow isn't the B-2 Spirit.

*agrees with Beltway and The Transylvania*

Intracircumcordei, your nation’s pop is 752 million. I repeat 752 million people. Meaning that your army, air force, and navy will be 37,600,000 at 5% of your pop. At 10% is will be 75,200,000. On NS, everybody does not go above 10% of your pop. So, you do not outnumber anybody. So, stop godmodding or you will kicked out of Irathria.

Right now, there is no leader of this thread. Meaning everybody is like a leader now. All we have to do is vote to kick you out. Understand?


Sorry but that is not the way I play. My society is Spartan, and non sexist.
If you can't deal with that, that is your issue. NS doesn't have rules. It has examples. I'm not playing a game with rules i'm roleplaying freeform based upon ICCD culture. If I cared about rules I'd be playing axis and allies not NS.

I'm not godmoding, I'm being inventive, can you give me an example of how I'm godmoding? If having a militarized society is an issue don't watch starship troopers, or star trek. There is nothing god moding about having a militiarized society, just because you base your societies on hugely enslaved class societies doesn't mean I should suffer the same fate. If you are going to be so idiotic as to say that realism isn't allowed in a game then go --- yourself as I'm sure you will fullfill that role somehow.

Like the CCCP outnumbered Chechnia and Afghanistan...Plus, you have most of the Rammisillian military fighting you. So it's you versus Rammisile. I know who my money is on.


Hypersonic stealth aircraft/missiles? Honstly, that is a real low for Irathria. In NS, you can't expect to be both decently stealthed AND hypersonic, you have to choose one due to the uber-radar everyone claims, plus the nature of RAM.



Don't try the 'stealthed shape' shape argument, because anyone with the means to uses distributed arrays whenever possible, plus the shapes that are stealthy are nowhere near the ones that are fast. The Avro Arrow isn't the B-2 Spirit.

*agrees with Beltway and The Transylvania*


Read the specs if you have a system to detect it you can detect it is that simple. THE TECHNOLOGY EXiSTS NOW!! Irathria was introduced as MT/PMT.. I have better tech then you, nuff said. Stop whining and play the game.

I make my culture one way you make yours another. THE TECH ALREADY EXISTS IN REAL LIFE!

Note there are technologies that can detect it.. but I'm not telling you which ones... not meant to be tech wank but why would i give out NS secrets if I don't have to.. forcing you to be inventive.. and the aircraft have weaknesses if you know them you know them.. I'm not telling though.

It is just warfare you arn't accustomed to. It's the future of war.

Just so you are clear about what I feel your stance is.

My technology is too good and I have too many troops.

Well.
Dians are intelligent and use good technology and dian culture is based around organized anarchy and self defence.

Play yourself your way I'll play mine mine.

It comes off as politics against me because I'm better then you, I can understand that. Nothing personal, but keep grasping.

Try to take me out, change your militaries to compensate.. oh but hold on you don't want to change your societies.. cause you need slaves and oppressed people.

whatever...

stop your dribble. and if there is a good reason why ramissle would rebel if the bulk of ramissle was against ICCD there it wouldn't be there.. but that isn't the case right now.. ICCD is cooperating with the ramisslian military and they havn't been asked to leave.

anyone iraqi here?

Sorry but that is not the way I play. My society is Spartan, and non sexist.

Well, good for you. You play like you are a Spartan nation.

If you can't deal with that, that is your issue. NS doesn't have rules. It has examples. I'm not playing a game with rules i'm roleplaying freeform based upon ICCD culture. If I cared about rules I'd be playing axis and allies not NS.

NS does have rules. They are in those things that are called stickies. There are rules for every type of game you would play. Be it a bloody card game or a video game.

I'm not godmoding, I'm being inventive, can you give me an example of how I'm godmoding?.
You are role-playing 49% or higher of your pop in the millirty. Your nations would not have workclass with eveybody in the army. Meaning your nation would not have any money to paid it soldiers and fix thier things like guns and vehicles.

If having a militarized society is an issue don't watch starship troopers, or star trek. There is nothing god moding about having a militiarized society, just because you base your societies on hugely enslaved class societies doesn't mean I should suffer the same fate.

There is not agaisnt having a militiarzed society as long as you do not godmode having 50% of your pop in your army.

If you are going to be so idiotic as to say that realism isn't allowed in a game then go --- yourself as I'm sure you will fullfill that role somehow.

When in the Hell did I say realism was not allowed in the game? All I'm was saying that your army was huge godmode.

Look, it's simply not realistic. If you're Spartanesque, then who are the helots you practice on to keep your skills sharp? Why have you done so little annexation? By the way, your society doesn't really seem Spartanesque; it's just an anarchistic democracy. Sparta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta) seems rather different from your society (as it used slaves for most of its labor, and had a separate class for the merchants/artisans); you probably shouldn't compare the two. Further, comparing your society to Sci-Fi societies doesn't necessarily work well as a base of comparison...

Further, hypersonic and stealth are contradictory. If something goes fast, it makes a large radar signature; further, at high (Mach 2+) speeds, RAM paint is essentially sheared off. Heck, the amount of sound made by a hypersonic plane would be enough to make stealth useless; what's the point in stealth if we can hear you from miles around?

There is no reason why the military of a collapsing Ramissle would cooperate with foreigners, unless said foreigners explicitly offered to support one faction of the military over the rest. Did you even read my post about civil wars?

Saying "I'm better than you" is about the poorest argument I've seen. You claim to be better based on what we see as doubtful concepts. How can there be organized anarchy? It's a contradiction in terms.

ICCD, thank you very much for utterly ignoring my arguments and derailing a promising anarchy/civil war rp. I really appreciate your ruining what I thought was going to be a rather interesting rp and am especially glad that you chose to simply accept your own version of events over the one that seemed more generally accepted.

[QUOTE=The Transylvania]Well, good for you. You play like you are a Spartan nation.



~NS stickies are rules - I see them as 'guidelines' examples, suggestions but not rules.

That defies freeform as for it I havn't read it and I choose not to have that as a personal rule because it doesn't work with my military. It defies the compulsary military service etc.. options in the nationstates portion of the game.


for every type of game you would play. ~ this goes into I think singer or game theory and stages of childhood development. No not all games have rules that invovle numbers. An established custom may exist, but many games especially rpgs, have house rules and core 'reality rules' applying social structure rules is stupid, not saying the person who proposed it is, but for a game about nationstates, setting limits on social capacity and structure is contrary to the concept of a freeform rpg based on nations, just my take. Althouhg I can understand how some individuals may be disabled or born defect (in those countries that don't execute them outright) not the supersoilders wank, but ICCD does do some genetic screening and even genetic engineering. I can understand your concern, but honestly, what does it matter? You think it gives me an unfair advantage, it doesn't. Just because I have a extremely socialist state that is spartan doesn't mean that I am any more 'dangerous then you, war ins't completely a game of numbers, that is the freeform part. I like to have the idea of playing 'reasonably' things that happen that make sense and are posible. Personally I think I have kept myself reasonable even though the Real world is incredibly fragmented I choose to have a slightly 'different' society, then others that exist in real life incorporating a number of other cultral idea into my own. If you give me a "REASON' why your 5% rule exists and it is a good one that makes sense I'll follow it.. but putting out statistics that arnt applicable is not proof, that is rhetoric, and bad rhetoric at that. That is like me saying because 30 percent of pet owners own dogs, the most other animals that would be pets is 15%. Or because 10% of people have blue eyes only 5% can have brown. It is stupid plain and simple. Rules that 'make' sense are fine for me, but rules with no basis whatsoever i gotta ask.. why?



Read ICCD wiki ask me questions, ICCD is structured through HRD education in ES which 90+% of the population take part, very youn children and very old people are taken out of the equation which leaves around 70% of the population. Of that working with rough number 40 percent stay for 1 to 3 years after their mandatory 3 year cadet service and 3 years youth and 4 years junior youth. WWII Germany is an ok examples but not 100% because it adds the benifit of modern psychology and technology. During those 'early' years up to cadet they do service and assitance and training in their local commnity and one summer camp each year, one cold seaon camp. Of the remaining 30%they are what you would consider 'carear' soildrs. These are the ones that keep prograssing. That ammounts to around 200 million. Note after dians complete their 1 year manadatory service they can enter government jobs such as HRD or IIS (human resources and infrastructure) .. but if they would like a gaurnties post they stay for longer.. depending on their level of military advance, they get better positions, which is an incentive for theme.. the ones that stay longer then 3 years are in the imperial acadamy.. these are the soilders who are the bulk of the 'military' they train in naval and land and airdefence. The next stage with around 10% is the imperial guard.. these are the 'heros' of ICCD they are instructors, they are the core tank operators etc.. these are what might be equivlent to rangers or airborn or marine.. not quite marine recon etc.. but the upper grade would be approaching it.. see the training chart. After this is the lictos.. who are intelligence and poltical officers like a mix between special forces and cia etc.. the continuance rate barely decreses at this point due to extreme loyalty and very high societal rank. the commando's core pilots etc.. follow. My numbers work. Note that the lower grades etc.. do other work, like conscripts but they have higher standards of living and better training. Recalls occur every year where citizens train for a few weeks a year after they complete their mandatory service. HRD and iIS also do 'staff' security training. Dians love contact sports and tribal form is well loved 'like korean martial arts' because self defence training is done in the schooling system.. EVERYONE knows it and by the time they hit their senior year many have attained a high belt.

Our tax rate is 100%, our automotive industry initated self defence vehicles. We mass produce a number of set models of weapons lowering costs supstancially.. you weapons issue is false, because russia and the us ect.. mass stockpile those weapons and have more then enough for every man woman and child. Look at gun ownership 10 years ago... it was a high percentage.. now if you only had three guns to buy? Also I've budgetted ICCD and the money works out 8 trillion dollars a year is allot of money for guns and equipment.


I'm not godmoding if I was godmoding I'd say everyone was special forces and I have 2 million indistructabe tanks. What i am doing is being intelligent.

IT ISN'T GODMODING. why is it godmoding.. what is not realistic about it I've asked that 4+ times about it all you do is site non applicable statistics and you game rules that don't have any grounding in reality.

OOC:

You will find that the stickies at the top of the page are rules. They are not guidelines, they are rules. Everyone else abides by them, and so shall you.

And having 50% of your men in the military is not possible, you do not understand this. Your economy would crumble. The USSR, at the height of the cold war, had 2% of their population in the military, and that was running them into the ground.

You have 100% tax, you say? Also impossible. NS says it's possible, but what the hell would they do to survive?

Yes, you are godmoding. You have an exceptionally high number of men in your military. There are plenty of real world statistics to back this up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=367578 - go read.

Yes...but my education system means that 50% of my population are soldiers. WHO CARES? You would have no-one to run anything. Not just factories, but shops, offices, public transport, arnament, everything.

So RP feasibly, or stop RPing at all.

Dians beleive in rule of the fitest, the imperium.. they are spartan in that strenght and fighting capacity is of high merit in their society. As for annexation. Dians arn't stupid, politics is part of war. Quite simply because ICCD has high political and civil rights they honour.. FREEDOM. they dont support slavery nor do they agree to it.. that is where RL sparta and ICCD differ.

how do you keep your skill sharp~Training is done in the education system, youth also have much infighting, gang violence etc.. there are a number of city mock up sports as well big arenas that serve as combat, these are done with 'non lethal' weapons though. As for training.. ICCD constantly is involved in one part of the world or another.. but generally only special forces, they have only deployed gaurd and acadamy in two locations up until ramissle in the last 20 years that is the international zone and naill. however, other operations and exchanges have occured. Due to the fuedal system interfamily violence is common, however there is an authority. Deaths are kept to a minumun but people die every day in ICCD due to fuedal violence, damage to non public buildings.. this over time has made the imperium more powerful due to over time gaining strength over the infighters. Dian tribal form which every dian who wasn't living in a cave would be accustomed to and tribal form competitions keep them sharp. FItness and health is just part of life, dians are active beyond the level seen in most modern societies. They have alteranitve hands on education.. the stale teaching enviornments of most western countries are not used 100%, outside classes, teaching in water, extended field trips etc.. are all commonplace the standard of education is very high. Also an imperial gaurd or more then one is assigned to each school, and acts as their combat trainer. this is done from elementary right up until graduation so the military is always around them.. this is in addition to their physical education instructor.THe gaurdsman also provides security and is essentially in command of the school. It is like having a school police officer that not only prevents crime at the school but also trains you how to fight.

Why isn't it realistic? ICCD considering Irathria is pretty active at aquiring new territory.. due to the tense environment in Irathria going to war with anyone cause be a fatal move. However, in the case of Ramissle not going to war would be fatal so either way it is a loss so we might as well take the option that has us with the potential of control in the situation.

It is an anarchist democracy, but the miltiary provides structure for the anarchy, that is imperium. We give the people the will and capacity to be soilders, to uphold their own sovereignty we educate them to be philospher kings.

Like I said we are spartan in that we value self capacity.


The blackholes have a variety of operating conditions some offer EM stealth others ofter accoustic stealth.. depending on how it is operating it will have different stealth characteristics. If you tell me what type of air defence or detection you have, I can tell you if it was detected. Just so you know we use compontent stealth technology in addition to frequency osication redirection.. read the specs.. it works. you are correct in your paint issue.. it would actually be 'melted' off by the plasma feild. that is why extracoating is only used for non supersonic runs. You are absolutely correct on the sound issue... I never stated all it's stealth characeristics work together in all environments, it has a number of characteristics that can work.. independantly under different conditions.. radar stealth that is EM band stealth is a constant as long as it has power reserves though... other methods are dependant. In a fast attack it goes to high altitude then decends rapidly unloads payload then usually gains hieght again. Actually you wouldn't hear us since we are at high alitude, you only have two or three minutes to detect us at that point... and considering how fast mach 10+ is it iwould be very difficult in my opinion.


We are offering them. I understand oyu have an idea for the breakup but ICCD's intent on ramissle doesn't match with yours.

Organized anarchy is the state. that is faith.. that is society.. that is why we are the HOLY EMPIRE. Life is organized anarchy.. the fuedal structure brings a base order.. and THE IMPERIUM shows the domiance the alpha route. Surivival of the fitest.. how is that not realistics.. that is life.

I'm being reasonble, I'm not god moding, and my tech is made using REAL life science and real life engineering.

ICCD, the stickies are rules not guidlines. If they were guidelines, would they be posted at the top of II forum. The answer is no. That is all I'm going to say about it.

ICCD, thank you very much for utterly ignoring my arguments and derailing a promising anarchy/civil war rp. I really appreciate your ruining what I thought was going to be a rather interesting rp and am especially glad that you chose to simply accept your own version of events over the one that seemed more generally accepted.

I'm geussing you are making these arguments simply because you were expecting a simple cake walk. I'm offering resistance if you could pull it off why not, but if you are that incapble or uncreative then that is your issue, don't claim I'm derailing anything I'm not I'm adding my actions. It is your issue you can't deal with them. You can't expect me to change my entire society just to fit your RP that just happens to be my next door neighbour. I have much more at stake then you in this case. I havn't contested your version of the events... I've added my own actions. YOUR ARE TALKING NONSENSE. take for instance when I attempted to clarify if you were in barbary or not YOU SAID "NO I DON'T HAVE ANYONE THERE". Then you were like oh I have troops and a fleet there.. saying you prempted me I posted 30 seconds after you... DO YOUR RP I'll do my take.. if you are just writting a story and not RPING it is redundant. I SAID "IF YOU WOULD LIKE ANYThIng CLARIFiED OR LIKE ANYTHING WRITTEN TG ME etc.. I'm being reasonble I sense you are just complaining because you don't know how to RP.

I was justing giving an idea, i already Ignore ICCD's military and wont RP with him/her while he/she claims to have a military such as he does. that is my right on NS, im not bickering or anything, i stated what i thought then decided to Ignore ICCD's military numbers.

Anyway on a completely unrelated subject, ive got a few problems at home so i wont be on NS as much as i would like, dont worry i will be on NS and i say sorry now to anyone im RPing with, NN i will post the moment i can. Again im sorry that im sort of bogging down your RP, if you want you can decide to ignore all my posts, im not bothered if thats what you need to do to carry on. Tho i do have a few problems with your last post but i will address them acordingly in the right thread.


Just letting people know.

Just letting people know.

then you I will just ignore your involvement in Niall Noiglach from now on. ICCD already has a presence there, and if you try to invade, then ICCD will be forced to react, as we have a MDP. Don't like it, too bad. And the only sticky I could find that actually stated 2-5% said it was unofficial and that it was just a suggestion.

I'm not saying that 2% is a definite figure, just that 50% is entirely unreasonable.

And I was expecting resistance from you. I can deal with reasonable resitance. But it is your totally unreasonable military response I find unlikely.

I am therefore cleansing my hands of this RP and of the issue. I am ignoring ICCD until further notice, and if that means that his alliance ignores me too, then fine.

And having 50% of your men in the military is not possible, you do not understand this. Your economy would crumble.

The military is the economy! How would this crumble, using keynesian economics and other macroeconomic models and work force allocation it IMPROVES THE ECONOMY! not deteriates it. It reduces duplication and waste production.

Russia didnt modernize. ICCD USES MODERN TECHNOLOGY. The reason russia lagged was because of lack of high level computers. ICCD has advanced computers sciences, robotics and 'efficeint systems'

100% tax ~~impossible. If you didn't know whatever citizenship you are, the government owns everything but leases it out to you.. if they ever need it they take it from you.

SOCIAL SERVICES.. the government supports them with their programs.

It ain't just men it is men and women.. and i am not godmoding.

You obviously don't understand social systems. I'm not doing anything unusual. My economic system is explained. You obviously are missing something.

However if you are going to apply rules that you cannot give a valid reason for I'm not going to follow them.
The social system works.. it does produce militarily trained individuals in high numbers.. it is realistic. Any reason why it couldn't and not citations and rhetoric actual reasons systemology.

then you I will just ignore your involvement in Niall Noiglach from now on. ICCD already has a presence there, and if you try to invade, then ICCD will be forced to react, as we have a MDP. Don't like it, too bad. And the only sticky I could find that actually stated 2-5% said it was unofficial and that it was just a suggestion.


if thats your decission thats fine, tho the plane never crashed and noone from my nation ever set foot into your lands.

ICCD, I'm tried of all of this crap. 50% of your pop is bloodly godmode. Get it through your head, it is a godmode. I don't care how much stuff you write about it, it is still a godmode. Irathria is not a place for godmodders, now change your army to 10% and everything will be cool. Don't change it and you can get out of Irathria. Understand?

Not that I in anyway agree that I am godmodding by any standard in a MT/PMT Rp.. perhaps beltway you would notice 2 D. from that link supplied.

To say the least there is no evidence of god mode on my part. I feel I have explained sufficiently the systems, and i have not applied unfair advantages that would not be available to you. I have not made invisnsible troops, I have not made everyone in the military. I mearly have what would seem to be a military dicatatorship and administration.

Beltway I think atleast understands my tech.. so beltway imo doesnt have an excuse for having issue with it. As for my military.. it is how my society is structured... if you give me 'a reason' not a rhetorical statement and not a statistic.. then I'll take it into consideration.. you havn't.

I am not an overly agressive state I am stable.. the only reason I am involved in ramissle is because it is on ICCD's border.

and this is the maps thread.. not that I'm against offtopic however perhaps we can move this to another thread.

if this comes to a vote, i'll say what i think:-

Yes to kick unless ICCD agrees to lower the Military number, got nothing agenst ICCD i think he RPs ok (even if he has rather advanced military...but meh its more to do with the RPing). ICCD i can totaly understand what your trying to say but if i didnt ignore you and your military (and at the moment its only your military numbers) then i would be a hypocrite to the times that i ignored others who tryed to claim as you do has having the ability to have a 50% active military. 10% active is the most ive ever accepted, that to me is 5% fully trained military force and 5% milita/National Guard (and they wouldnt be the gratest in the world just roughly know what there doing and being weekend soliders). Anything above that i wouldnt be bother if say you were being invaded and your people were taking up arms (then i might accept 30-40% poorly trained just able to shoot iin the right direction).

The last person i know off who tryed to claim such military numbers is not around anymore (IP banned but thats a totaly different reason), he got just as much crap as you and in the end thought it was best to lower the numbers.

OOC:

Hey, is there any way a new nation can join Irathria? You are about the only nation on NS that I notice has an up and coming RP front, and that is active.

This has been brought to my attention due to the ICCD....incident. There are a few good guys here, and they are the type of folk I want to RP with.

Any response is good.

ICCD, I'm tried of all of this crap. 50% of your pop is bloodly godmode. Get it through your head, it is a godmode. I don't care how much stuff you write about it, it is still a godmode. Irathria is not a place for godmodders, now change your army to 10% and everything will be cool. Don't change it and you can get out of Irathria. Understand?

It is unfortunate you feel that way it seems we cannot go to war against each other. Translyvania whatever. Give me a good reason and If you noticed the number is more like 70% arond 40% go through 1-3 year adult training. (after which they work for the government and have regular yearly recall) 10% are professional lifelong soilders like baraks style. 4% are very highy higly trained 3% are high rate skill such as advanced special forces, and aeronautics, and less than 1% are political and high level command.

That is reasonable to me.. if it isn't reasonable to you I'd like to know why.

I'm backing up Corpsac on what he posted.

@Galashiels: Yes, new nation can join. There is a few island still open. You got a small problem to fix before we do anything esle.

I'm not actually involved in current altercation....but couldn't help pointing out slight flaw in notion of 100% Tax, iccd's refutation that govt. owns everything and leases back to the population....My question is how do population pay for lease????

It is unfortunate you feel that way it seems we cannot go to war against each other. Translyvania whatever. Give me a good reason and If you noticed the number is more like 70% arond 40% go through 1-3 year adult training. (after which they work for the government and have regular yearly recall) 10% are professional lifelong soilders like baraks style. 4% are very highy higly trained 3% are high rate skill such as advanced special forces, and aeronautics, and less than 1% are political and high level command.

That is reasonable to me.. if it isn't reasonable to you I'd like to know why.

It is bullshit. You would not have a work systems. Like somebody would want to be a factory worker after being in the army. Plus, how you are doing this. It looks like any of your people is a trained killer. Meaning your pop is all trained killers for the looks of it. A huge godmode.

Ok, I can deal with that. Just keep me in touch, if that's ok.

Quickly at ICCD: lets say 25% of your population is 18-40. That means that half of your army is either under 18 or over 40 :S

Remember that your entire NS population includes the elderly and the very young, who make up a large part of any nation. Judging by the amount of old folk on my street, I'd say more ;)

OOC-I'm not part of this, but how exactly do you expect to have a decent economy when everyone is in the military? Above 5% and the economy begins to feel it, but 70%? You would have no money to supply all of them with equipment.. and what are you doing? Force conscripting 8 year olds and 70 year olds? Not everone is of military age.

50% active military ~ corpsac what you don't seem to get is that I have declared martial law, and called up reserve forces. I said 70% are militarily trained but they work 'normal' governmental supplid jobs for 95% of the year. and train for 5% of it to keep fresh.. the government also has maditory 'exercise' programs at all places of work this helps insure fitness.

others have a medium length duration and they are considered 'provincial' like a national gaurd but my training standards are higher and they are employed in other tasks such as infrastructure maitenance.

I have many weekend soildrs but they all go through 1 to 3 years dedicated training before they go into reserve.. they go through college programs during this time in the acadamy.. that is why they qualify for government work after, because they get university training and advanced ROTC at the same time THEY ARE MILITARY ACADAMIES

I have a much more active training program then found in the US or many other countries.. arguble all them since socialism was largely crushed after WWII.

I would be willing to lower the numbers if I was given a reason. For instance you can't train 12 year olds how to fire a machine pistol or people won't exercise under threat of not being fed. Or the automotive industry can't make armoured cars in bulk, or you don't have enough resources, or people are too stupid to be that intelligent or whatever.. and if you could back it up for my case Id be obliged to take the advice... I'll keep criticizing you for not taking the situation into account.

I think I am being fair and raasonble once again if I'm not 'explain' why.
I just sense you are trying to dilute my irathrian world powerness because you have a higher population.. if the worold worked your way china and india would be laughing at US and Britain and Germany and France etc... that isn't the case.

It is my society.. I don't think a 10% continuance into the ESSI program is unrealistic.. I don't think 4% of my population being 'political class' is too high. I don't think 3% of my population being elite class .. it is actually pretty much on par with the real world btw add police to your paramilitary percent numbers paramedic, doctors, firefighters, forest rangers, rescue workers, coast gaurd.. etc.. My numbers arn't off I just consolidate roles.

I think what they're trying to say is that sure you can call up an army that size to go fight, but even a short war would leave the nation is serious financial and economic problems.

Unless the government agrees to pay the business's bills, find and hire immigrant workers (which there aren't too many of in Irathria), halt payments on loans and debts (meaning banks would have to either shut down or produce a ton of extra money causing severe inflation), and somehow pay off the population so they don't get pissed with five million children who's parents are off fighting a war for an imperialistic government, your country's economy will completely collapse which is going to really piss off all those soldiers when they come home to a nation of slums that they were just wounded and even killed trying to expand it's borders.

Ermm, I'm Still wondering how do the population pay to lease stuff off the government when everyone pays 100% Tax leaving them with zero finances...a small point I know but one with some relevance...because if you can justify it or explain it I think I too will apply 100% Tax

well since ICCD wont hear a thing anyone has to say, doesnt relise that all he/she needs to do is lower his/her military down to the number that people are saying (10%), what doesnt change ANYTHING OTHER THEN THE FORCES YOU CAN USE ON IRATHRIA, doesnt change how you can RP your nation outside irathria and so forth, ICCD is now offical on my Ignore list.

no offence ICCD but ive got no time for someone who could easyly agree to disagree and just do as people ask. Its not hard, its not trust me, ive been there done that got the slaps.

Ermm, I'm Still wondering how do the population pay to lease stuff off the government when everyone pays 100% Tax leaving them with zero finances...a small point I know but one with some relevance...because if you can justify it or explain it I think I too will apply 100% Tax

It's probably like a form of communism. They people don't get paid but get rations of food, clothes, and gas.

It's probably like a form of communism. They people don't get paid but get rations of food, clothes, and gas.
Leasing involves financial recompence??

Or Am I misunderstandign the term Lease?

Without private money, the only leasing would be under government supervision as part of rations or something like that.

Well I shan't be applying any pinko commie system in my lovely dictataorship thank you very much...

It is a financial gain but border raids and low scale guerrilla warfare in ICCD would be worse for us. Also a war with foreign powers next to you ain't good either.


Loaning would be a better word perhaps then leasing. YOu have it on loan until they need it. They usually will trade for it though but it isn't necisarily a trade you are ok with, it aint that common though that would be bad for business, but look through history it has happened at one time or another all around the world, damns and waterways are notorious for this. In wartime it is much more common. But yes they attempt to be atleast a little fair.

For Dians they are the state, So yes a form of communism, but everyone is free, the structure and resources are allc ontroled by the Imperium though, ike a monarchy. in a monarchy everyone is subjects of the monarch. There are different forms of monarchy though. The law is communism. ICCD openly states the fact it is personal choice though, we don't obscure or hide the system behind custom and culture, we let that speak for itself.

As for how they manage finances... depending on what you do you get a set salary. From that money you can subscribe to programs. Food etc.. is either grown by you or supplied by community coops or gathering, usually a mix.

Foreign goods are strickly monitored like china you have to get approval from the government this is usally as simple as buying Dian Credits, Dian Gold Standards are only usable IN ICCD and are metal form coin currency that are illegal to remove from ICCD, the credits are 'banked by teh Dian central bank. You use there credits for doing business. The State has it's export office, and opens international companies undernames big ones are Novatec, XNOVA, East Farland Consolidated, Imperial Dian Bank. The state does business. All imports and exports are monitored. We don't tax personal production of a certain limit, and we do not tax 'free trade' ie you give something to someone for free. It is lengthy to explain and I have to go to the washroom.
finances...a small point I know but one with some relevance...because if you can justify it or explain it I think I too will apply 100% Tax



The government supplies resources, there are social workers (administration ) like in commie poland, you put in requests for living arangments, but it is also like a mennonite community in that they do barn building or house building, the state supplies and divides resources as needed they have local reps elected into the CAC the CAC form the legistlature that is their 'civil' arangement, there is a imperial side that is the 'families' ect.. the families manage estates where they have access to the resourcs, they coordinate in the Imperial fuedal system, basically x is vasal to y etc.. they are equal but if they break the structure it could mean a fuedal war. This goes all the way up to the great Imperial Houses which are like kings and princes etc.. they control huge areas of land, the imperialo houses have a vote when it is time to elect the emperor, but there is also a casa militar, which is exclusivey the commanders of the militar senior ranking officers, they elect thier own commander in cheif or president, who coordinates with the Emperors 'lugal' and others to plan military, the military runs itself but they coordinate the emperor does have final say but rarely interferes with the military, even though some emperors have been the head of the casa in the past others not, most senators have been in the casa, there are different ways to get into the senate, through the economic system the infrastructure system the military or the political system. It is quite layered, there are provinces, In ICCD there is Intracircumcordei (the provincia) The islands, east farland west farland (formerly farland but it split in half a few hundred years ago) , the isles and palamos. each provincia is broken down ito districts and districs into areas, It would slow down the economy but since we have surpluses, it would be minor drain, but we have a high waste budget like half a trillion. Not mentioned but we are trying to rotate troops on tours of around 6 weeks, also ICS the actual number of troops active in Ramissle is much less then 100 million. But ICCD has dedicated that number if need be, there are millions though.


ICCD isn't in debt it is a nation that trades and has surpluses. We also have foreign investment. Frankly we have more money then we know what to do with. Our dollar is the gold standard.. there is 0 inflation. Our economy increases with foreign trade. We sell our surplus over quota and in special circumstances do contract work for foreign government where it is more profitable then doing it for ourselves or where we have excess labour.

Because we are a socialist system our education starts at preschool and has universal daycare. the 2 in 7 still leaves about 3 to 2 for care requirements, that is there are 3 adults for every child, that is a very valid point though, and if we didn't have universal daycare it could be an issue, things are very tense under martial law but because movements ect are kept to a minimun Dians would be spending a lot more time together. Kids would still be going to school then they would probably be staying with their grandparents or family friends, dians have a huge fuedal kin system so families are really tight comparitive to spanish latin families.

We have had casualties the numbers havn't been released in full howver ICCD genrally doesn't have 'slum's we have a planned economy and planned building. We use natural products and one or our largest product is quarts and other stone building blocks. These blocks are used in underground and above ground machupichu style structures. We get these blocks from our magma furnaces. Dians are underground construction specialists this partially assited by our use of magma in industry and energy production.

btw if anyone has map edits, local maps etc.. post in this thread.

ICCD - I'd like to clarify something. I didn't intend to 'roll over' Ramissle; in fact, I intended to use limited force in support of a newly-formed state jockeying for power in the aftermath of a governmental collapse. I intended to rp a civil war, not some sort of invasion.

What the hell?

Let's start this off first - you cannot have a standing army of 70% to your population, unless you want to have a crippled economy. If you are a nation of completely militia, I understand, but from your talk it seems like you aren't. As a second note, hypersonic does not exist in any form. It's merely supersonic, meaning that it's faster than the speed of sound, no hypersonic. Now let's go into a little logic:

To supply your army, you need people who are trained to supply your forces. You cannot break off parts of your army in the middle of battle to resupply another, so you need a standing supply force. The majority of supply forces are larger than most armies in real life, so it's illogical that your army is going to be larger than your supply force without crippling your economy. Next, you cannot logically keep your forces in the same training league as the other nations with that population. You need teachers to teach them at the age that is most proper so they can learn properly, then once they can comprehend they can begin to develop enough power, you need a population with money to give to the government so they can afford to pay the soldiers, so that the soldiers can pay for their equipment and supplies. You need another group of people to work on the machines that supply and create the items, or create the resources needed to buy the items from far off countries so you can supply your forces.

You need a fielded team to design your forces, another team to bring the resources, another team to develop the technology to field your men, another team to supply the people who supply those people, and so forth. You also need delivery sanctions, trade routes and economic laws placed to allowed your people to develop a strong healthy economy so that when you are in war (which is required to suppress media, keep the people okay, no lower the cost of living, etc), you can maintain your nation and stop it from crumbling. Also, when you develop new technology, you need to buy rights for it to prevent possible competitors to take your things, you need to build defense systems which in turn require a full time group of people to work constantly on the project to field an army of such strength.

Not to mention all the people needed to supply your food, your clothing, and the children in your nation who will be the future soldiers of your nation.

Also, if there is a communist system applied, then it's not communism if a government exists, now does it? Communism is the form of the people's equal rule, where everyone is pretty much in the government, and if you take more rights towards your soldiers than your people, or if you hoard off foood by the government, then it's not a communist nation. Plus, the ideal of communism is an economic and social law, not police and political. A police and political form would not exist in communism, and only marginally for police as it must affect everyone equally with care, not just a select group (whether minority or majority).

Also, who is supplying you money for your country? Because a trade surplus only happens when the markets you are in have a higher demand and you have a lower need for it - from the strain of your civilian population against your army, it looks like you will be unable to do it without putting massive strain on your economy, which would happen constantly. Also, selling things over quota is not a god thing, as there is always competition that will sell it at quota or less, and hence you will lose more money fielding those objects, and thus you cannot afford to feed your people or your army (literally, apparently from your description of your country).

Your army of militia intrigue me.

I did some research and found that the nations that are list do not exist; Newton, Slarchers, and Yadicka. I’m editing the map, you take them off.

My soilders work in infrastucture as well as the government. about 10% of my soilders spend all their time doing 'soilder stuff'. 4% do high profile security and other operations and 3% run the country.

40% train for one to three years straight (not all at once) then put in a few weeks every year (as reserve) during those three years they do construction and education. basically like rotc community service and college

30% of the pop do up to an addtional three years same as the last group only after this they go onto better jobs in infrastructure services etc.. these ones train in heavy equipment.

The dian force training program balances emergency services role, this includes combat, first responder training, firefighting, driving etc...


ICCD automotive industries has a standard armoured cars the lower forces use these.

The 40% is 'nationalguard/militia' type they are trained for ground and 'sea assistance' coast gaurd type they also act as general 'police' but police really isn't applicable for ICCD, first responder is more accurate. They usually have imperial gaurd as lt.'s etc..

The 30% is homeland security type they gaurd AND OPERATE, facilties factories etc.. usually they go from training to permanent employment on the sites and tend to be provincial experts in their own areas.


The 10% is the imperial gaurd these are the 'fighting force' they use heavy combat equipment, occasionally helicopters piloted by lictors which are the next class
4% is special forces, acting as body gaurds, secret police, special operations etc.. these also move into 'intelligence' science education research and development etc.. however not exclusively from this level of training. however education is continuous with physical and combat skills.

3% is poltical and command (these are people in their mid 40's they move on to generally purely administrative and strategic roles. they RUN ICCD.


So take your politicians and replace them with the 3% group
take your scientists and educators and special forces and air force and replace it with the 4% group.

take you army and navy and replace it with the 10% group

take your police firefighters, sherifs state troopers, fbi forest park rangesr etc.. and factory workers and replace it with the 30% group

take your blue collar workers, reservists. militias and replace it with the 40%.


ICCD has a higher standard of military training then any country on earth.



~hypersonic does not exist in any form ~false both skunkworks and nasa, and france appear to have hypersonic aircraft.. Your information is lacking.


I do have standing supply forces you think all my soilders only fight I have supply trains that pull in supplies as well as emergencies aircraft. I also have apc's that are retrofited to act as cargo's. Also the personal vehicles bring supplies equipment and field rations. so to other vehicles, you also need spare parts, repair teams water trucks etc.. or ways to draw from local sources.

Supply is not larger then armies. As a matter of fact usually third parties are contracted out. Supply and logistics is not overly difficult but in a well groomed military your supply will be done by soilders who go throuhg regular training to fight as well as do supply roles.

note 35+ percent of my budget is military
10+ is education. to get a job teaching in ICCD you have to serve atleast 1 year in the service, the more years the better chance, ie to go to college for 3 years to get your bED you'd have to be in the service for three years. There is no 'private' post secondary, you have to go through the military.. as such indivudals that would like a job join the military. Tution is paid.. win win.

You don't need money you need resources, people don't need money. They need food water and shelter. Also ICCD's tax rate is 100% so people arn't earning anything anyway. It is all state run social programs and some craft production. They get it free if they follow the state program regardless. It isn't about money it is about status, and ICCD honours soilders.. so everyone gravitates towards it. They have budgetary allowance but they do other work too. In the US soilders need to pay for their equipment so to in ICCD but the soilder base pay has to be spent, and only on what is allowed, so it is mostly redundant. They get stuff they put in requests, it is that simple, if it is available they get it.

ICCD is relatively self sufficient. It's trade is only in surplus, and it only buys from it's trade surplus, i.e others funds, except for recently dumping 100 billion pre year on the exchange market for foreign investment.

You think old fashioned. I disagree. You need to have a team that is capable of creating it's own supply. take the Sas for example you need to gear your tours so that they are supplied for the duration in crations etc..

No you let the men develope their own technology. It creates duplication and resource drain not to have information sharing. ICCD is networked. Sure it creates a leak but for the high security operations it stays in the different circles. ICCD has no copyrights or patents, everything is public domain. .ICCD ain't capitalist, it is a socialist state.

ICCD has trade and allies, it has merchant marine, it has navy capable to act as cargo

You don't need to buy rights the state owns everything. We arn't capitalist. Information is free.

Our low enlistement personnel do production but we are also automated. Robotics etc..

ICCD is equality in strength, you must stand up for your own capacity. The truth is told and individuals strive to be the best, however mindful of their duties as the leaders of society. being the protectors of society. They live together and there is no seperation of state. There are many different types of communism.

ICCD has many greenhouses, individuals have their own gardens food is supplied as needed.

Everyone has right to be 'feudal' that means they defend themselves it is done via kin. However if the state is attacked generally lictors get involved re:special forces

We mine minerals the Dian Tresury Department manages the mint. We also have 'credits' social credits means when you do things like help building project donate blood help with garden coops you get credits, credits are exchangeable for goldstandard currency credits can be traded outside the country but gold standards cannot leave the country, due to the lost efficinecy of minting and loosing.

Money is the value of respect. one credit is 1 hour of work. there are sometimes percs for dangerpay, extra duty etc.. people on call also get extra, they actually get payed for all the hours they are on call as well.

ICCD manages it's supply and demand internally but produces for export, goods like fruit and makes special deals for export this gives ICCD the money to buy foreign equipment. ICCD also invests in other countries, and starts up foreign businesses.

ICCD doesn't have a civilian population it is an imperial system. those that drop out of the social program generally die within a year. Civilian roles are converted into 'military' roles. however it would appear civlian to foreign states, every dian knows their place.

Where is this economic strain you are talking about. Everyone eats everyone drinks everyone needs a place to sleep it is universally the same, just because the pentagon pays 50$'s for a toaster and 800$ for a toilet seat doesn't mean they need to. By removing inflation of private enterprise costs are reduced dramatically. By monitoring supply and demand efficency is improved. By removing waste production the economy is strengthened.

Our items over quota are put up for foreign sale.

It is one society not a class system. I understand where you are coming from but it appears very closed minded to the favour of traditional systems. Do you know how lazy the Tv generation appear to be. Work come home watch tv play video games or whatever.

The idea of ICCD is that they are active and healthy. 'GOOD population' they get out and do things, constantly get into conflict. They don't have an enterainment industry.. they have more of a local and state idea of important events, they have news and information though.

They don't have sitcoms on standard, no propaganda, just the real deal.

I do understand where you are coming from but sadly you are mistaken.

You do know that mach 18+has already been reached...

I did some research and found that the nations that are list do not exist; Newton, Slarchers, and Yadicka. I’m editing the map, you take them off.
Good call I noticed Yadicka a while back, I think some others have gone inactive as well.

Are you actually going to edit it or would you like me to?
Or are you talking to ramissle? as he may still be logging on.

The real threat to the economy is actually in 'lag' in education of the lower groups and 'growth' via community service

in the lower groups that is why they are being rotated. Combat Training programs are instead conducted in the feild, and raw education is later filled in when they return with reduce combat training periods.

Are you actually going to edit it or would you like me to?

You are not part of Irathria anymore ICCD. Your 70% pop army is godmode. Don’t post in any Irathria thread anymore. Understand?

Transylvania your not in Irathria anymore don't post in Irathrian Threads anymore.

Whatever.

While your at it pull the pickle out.

And don't pass me the crack.

P.s.

I was about to announce that the east isles and cern were falling under strick custody.

OOC announcement. that would be on the news and stuff.

ICCD - I'd like to clarify something. I didn't intend to 'roll over' Ramissle; in fact, I intended to use limited force in support of a newly-formed state jockeying for power in the aftermath of a governmental collapse. I intended to rp a civil war, not some sort of invasion.


And what is stopping you from doing that now? I didn't force you out.

note I made an Irathria region Transylvania, so you can join it with one of your friends to expell me? Happy?

TG me for the password.;)

ICCD, you have been kicked out because of your 70% pop army. The others will back me up on this. You were told not to post in anymore thread about Irathria threads. Do I have to get the Mods on you?

note I made an Irathria region Transylvania, so you can join it with one of your friends to expell me? Happy?

TG me for the password.;)
Quaint. OH NO! How will we ever survive THIS?!?

<_< *honestly doesn't care, as he wouldn't move to a new region anyways*

Good one, NE, good one. I just ignored that post. Because it will not be official.

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So you're a country of militia. Great.

Transylvania if you think I've broken some forum rule then by all means contact the mods, personally I wouldn't waste their time with this. As far as I am aware no rules were given as to the size or structure of Irathrian Security Forces. Whatever your issue is, I don't see it. How does this effect role playability?

If mods think that i am somehow breaking forum rules then there ain't much I can do, in my opinion though all you are doing is raising a stink. ICCD is a militant socialist government that has mandatory & compulsary military service as I chose for my Nationstates policy choices. I don't see how integrating you contries policy choices into the structure and social frame work of your country is 'breaking forum rules'. All I know is that atleast one other Irathrian player supports my choics and three don't. two of those three happened to be close to war with me and the the third if they continued would have had their forces potentially partially damaged. Personally I don't see why you have an issue with it. You havn't given me a reason, so I can't see it as valid. Why not just not get involved with anything I do, just like IC Transylvania is.

If it wasn't posible I wouldn't be doing it. Perosnally all this appears as to me is raising a stink so that you can continue in a sense of delusion and orthadoxy.

One last time.

How is it so unfathomable that ICCD requires security training for students in highschool

And that for anyone to get a state job is required to do atleast 1 year of conscript service.

That anyone seeking to get a degree post secondary is required to continue military training for up to 3 years.

anyone seeking a high post requires up to an additional 3 years in the imperial acadamy teaching etc..

that anyone who would like to get into 'governmental' politics business etc.. for the state requires even more

that anyone who would like to be in a command position in the military even more

and that this equates to a 70% lifetime exposure rate to the security forces with individuals have 4 years of 'youth' training scouts guides etc.. 3 years of 'cadet training' atleast 1 year of conscript training

for white collar workers 3+ years of ROTC type training.

for middle management teaching and industrial site operators up to 6 years of ROTC type training.

For business people and politicians in the Imperium mostly full time service for a few years in addition to their other training.

That other individuals of higher status have a very large military background and experience.

That at any given time roughly 70% of the population has been exposed to military service of some sort.

around 40% are capable of being called up for emergency situations, for site security, medical, and border operations to act as national gaurd, reservists etc.. and in part to this have a few weeks dedicated training every year and occasional 'job training' sessions on weekends in relation to their operations.

that of these force 10% of them are heavy combat capable in large tanks with good knowledge of technology and war.

and that roughly 4% are political and commando level
and that roughly 3% mostly older are capable administrators of the government.

WHY IS THAT NOT POSIBLE, in an extremist socialist imperialist state?

All of that is bullshit. If this was not NS, it would work. The use of 10% of your pop is all you can use for your army. Your nations has both young and old people. Do you have eight year olds and 80 year olds people in your army?

Moving on to the next question, who supplies your army with food and etc when 70% of your pop is for military use? I know the answer to this question, nobody does. Because old people can work that good.

Now, stop posting in this thread and other threads. You are not part of Irathria anymore. You could be but you did not change your army to 10% of your pop. Irathria is be started over without you and the other nations that do not exist anymore.

All of that is bullshit. If this was not NS, it would work. The use of 10% of your pop is all you can use for your army. Your nations has both young and old people. Do you have eight year olds and 80 year olds people in your army?

Moving on to the next question, who supplies your army with food and etc when 70% of your pop is for military use? I know the answer to this question, nobody does. Because old people can work that good.

Now, stop posting in this thread and other threads. You are not part of Irathria anymore. You could be but you did not change your army to 10% of your pop. Irathria is be started over without you and the other nations that do not exist anymore.

Naming your self the self-appointed dictator is a godmode if you ask me, therefore, by your own logic, you should be kicked out of Irathria as well.

Naming your self the self-appointed dictator is a godmode if you ask me, therefore, by your own logic, you should be kicked out of Irathria as well. OOC: I agree.

Naming your self the self-appointed dictator is a godmode if you ask me, therefore, by your own logic, you should be kicked out of Irathria as well.

One thing, AP, did I fucking name myself the self-appointed dictator? The answer is HELL NO. Read before you post anything. Irathria has not one leader but many leaders.

If you can't tell, you pushed the wrong button. Think before you post.

One thing, AP, did I fucking name myself the self-appointed dictator? The answer is HELL NO. Read before you post anything. Irathria has not one leader but many leaders.

If you can't tell, you pushed the wrong button. Think before you post.

No, look back, you and CorpSac singlehandedly decided that ICCD was kicked out, you guys didn't listen to him as he tried to make his as he made his arguments. Rather than put it up for a vote before all of Irathria, and allowing him to make his case before everyone, you decided to just kick him out. You began acting as the dictator when you did that. To tell you the truth, If one nation is going to be allowed to control what happens in Irathria, and throw temper-tantrums if he doesn't get his way, I can forsee many nations leavuing the continent. Thanks for ruining a potentially great RP situation.

Naming your self the self-appointed dictator is a godmode if you ask me, therefore, by your own logic, you should be kicked out of Irathria as well.

Having read ICCD's explanations thoroughly, I would have to agree with TAP here, and will be removing myself from the continent of Irathria. May you be infested with the fleas of a thousand camals (as the old muslim curse goes) for destroying a thoroughly enjoyable RP with your hard headedness and closed ears.

No, look back, you and CorpSac single handedly decided that ICCD was kicked out, you guys didn't listen to him as he tried to make his as he made his arguments.

There is always to sides to the story. To me, at the time I kicked him out, he was just posting bullshit. Nothing that

Rather than put it up for a vote before all of Irathria, and allowing him to make his case before everyone, you decided to just kick him out.

We did have a vote. Sorry that you were not there. We never finished. I have gave ICCD a couple of times to say his army was 10% of his pop or face being kicked out. After I kicked him out, he changed his mind and said that 10% of his pop was his active army.

You began acting as the dictator when you did that. To tell you the truth, If one nation is going to be allowed to control what happens in Irathria, and throw temper-tantrums if he doesn't get his way, I can forsee many nations leaving the continent. Thanks for ruining a potentially great RP situation.

Ramissle controlled everything before he left. ICCD is the one that is throwing the temper-tantrums here.

Having read ICCD's explanations thoroughly, I would have to agree with TAP here, and will be removing myself from the continent of Irathria.

Sorry, to hear that. But I don’t want to have to RP with a person, who says that 70% of his pop is part of his armed forces. I know he does not say it but that is what it is.

May you be infested with the fleas of a thousand camels (as the old Muslim curse goes) for destroying a thoroughly enjoyable RP with your hard headedness and closed ears.

Good job that is a threat, my man.

1. I would like to just quote you as saying that you kicked him out. That implies that there was no vote
2. I watched the vote, as a non-member of Irathria, I did not vote. I only saw three of the nations vote on this, you, CorpSac, and NN. That is not democratic in anyway. ICCD didn't even get a chance to vote.
3. NN had to propose the vote to prevent you and CorpSac from just banning him, and even then, you didn't just set a time and date, you just had it. If you had done that, then we could have called in everyone, and all of the member nations could have voted.

therefore, just from that, you have been acting like a dictator. I excpect many more nations to be seen leaving Irathria.

I agree with a suggestion of NN and ICCD, call in the mods and let them decide, hopefully they will make a wiser and more thought out choice than you did.

No, look back, you and CorpSac singlehandedly decided that ICCD was kicked out, you guys didn't listen to him as he tried to make his as he made his arguments. Rather than put it up for a vote before all of Irathria, and allowing him to make his case before everyone, you decided to just kick him out. You began acting as the dictator when you did that. To tell you the truth, If one nation is going to be allowed to control what happens in Irathria, and throw temper-tantrums if he doesn't get his way, I can forsee many nations leavuing the continent. Thanks for ruining a potentially great RP situation.

Em i never kicked anyone out, i just stated if this came to a vote i would vote yes. ICCD is on my ignore list so it really doesnt bother me if he stayed or not, i even stated that for the new Irathria thread that each rules be voted on by all, that all had a voice on whats what and NO ONE person was the leader.

do cheak my posts, i never once claimed to be leader or acted like it. I stated what i thought to ICCD again and again then put my reason for ignoreing him.

If i did act as if i was leader i never ment to, i dont have the time to be a dictator at the moment.

3. NN had to propose the vote to prevent you and CorpSac from just banning him, and even then, you didn't just set a time and date, you just had it. If you had done that, then we could have called in everyone, and all of the member nations could have voted.

Get your fact straight. The vote was my idea at the first. Do your research before you post.

Therefore, just from that, you have been acting like a dictator. I except many more nations to be seen leaving Irathria.

Hush your mouth and get up to date. ICCD is back because we agreed that his active military is 10% of his pop and 30% of his pop is national guard like soldiers.

I agree with a suggestion of NN and ICCD, call in the mods and let them decide, hopefully they will make a wiser and more thought out choice than you did.

The mods are not going to do anything because this is handled all ready. Read all thread before you post again.

Em i never kicked anyone out, i just stated if this came to a vote i would vote yes. ICCD is on my ignore list so it really doesnt bother me if he stayed or not, i even stated that for the new Irathria thread that each rules be voted on by all, that all had a voice on whats what and NO ONE person was the leader.

ICCD is back in with what I told AP. He will be watched, so that his armed forces doesn’t go over what he agreed. So, can you please take him off your ignore?

Everything that Corpsac is true, been saying at the start of all of these crap.

This is becoming just plain stupid and a waste of time.


1. NO ONE CAN KICK ANYONE OUT OF ANYTHING BUT THE MODS. WE ARN'T A REGION, and IRATHRIA IS NOT CLOSED. PLAY WHAT YOU PLAY.

2. POST YOUR OWN MAPS.

3. USE THE RIGHT THREADS

4. There are now 'two' irathria's 'the original' irathria' and 'the second irathria'

I am playing in the 'original' not the 'second' irathria. This post can still be used for the original, I suggest a new one be made for the second.


5. Trans DONT TOUCH MY TERRITORY UNLESS I AGREE OR WE ARN'T IN THE SAME RP UNIVERSE HAVE SOME MANNERS.

Anyone to clarify I am continuing in Irathria however I am not on the same time line as 'neoirathria' as it is not being handled appropriately imo.
I'm sure you'll all have fun, but I don't agree with the way it is being handled.

In the case anyone else would like to continue the 'common' timeline. For Irathria RP's to date, by all means keep using this thread.

For any players that are in 'the second irathria' that would like to join 'the original' irathria' A new continent can be made to accomodate you or you can submit maps to be added somewhere or just make a map with an new outlaying continent or island etc.. (imo)

I say that old 'unactive' territories should remain the same. However when playing war or actions with them anyone can play characters from them. If they get taken over by another player via a RP then they can so be removed, but we can keep the timeline history of them intact.

That is my suggetsion on maping.

If you get your national maps ect.. done post them up. If you would like to join Irathria, say where you are and post up a map of your nation and any additions to irathria.. new islands etc.. if posible post the islands. outside the main continenet as the 'inner sea' as I call it is already quite full.

Let's all just cool down and try to act like civilized people, damnit...

Let's all just cool down and try to act like civilized people, damnit...

My feelings exactly. Common sense and civilized discussion are two things that have become rare in recent times, it seems.

I could see having 70% of your pop. in the military, but you'd also be arming them with rocks and little sticks, 'cause you really wouldn't have the money for much else.

ICCD, stop everything now!!! The other thread is not a new Irathria, it is the same Irathria. This thread is useless because we can’t edit Ramissle’s first post. Guys, I’m being clam about this. I’m just tried of his bullshit.

ICCD, Ramissle should not gave you all of that land. To much for you to control right under most of the land was like a third world nation.