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Map Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10541918#post10541918
Questions Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10541909#post10541909
Post all new links here.
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Wars:
Asbenian-Florintine Border Conflict Asbena/Florintine
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10438425#post10438425

A Religious Civil War Nial Nogilach
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599966#post10599966

Character RPs:
An Odd Temperment Florintine/No Endorse
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470089

Summits:
Irathrian Maritime Confrence and Air Summit
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10509083#post10509083

Colonization:

Secession, Florintinian Style Ramissle
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471740

Hmm, certainly looks like the Block... Ramissle
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471943

The Corporation Expands Corpsac
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470781

Operation:Seize the Lands The Transylvannia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472118

The Quest for First Lands Amazonian Beasts
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472121

A Strategic Move Newtdom
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471972

Bukkha and Samsara Koryan
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472877

Other:

The Search for A Bride, and a Queen Niall Noiglach
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471996
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Old Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469056

yah continuation from the last post in the old thread....

The north for south proposal was to switch up the North of ICCD for the South of the Old Ramissle.
The border would be adjusted to go to the volcanic montains (the small highground just above the spine mountains) meanwhile the islands clutured up would just be dropped off into ICCD territory.


Here is a repost


The way I am seeing the area, is that it is both a colonial area, and there is some territories such as Transylvania perhaps Absena Koryan, ICCD, Newtland and Florintine and perhaps others that have been in the area for a while.

There are also some 'colonial' powers such as Ramissle (unless this is their native area) Raven corps and perhaps some others that are more so 'colonial" although I'm not sure about this this is just what it seems to me at this point.

I'm geussing 'T' will end up get the islands around wolfe unless someone tries to stop them.. Corpsac will get the islands around them.. if not then I am going to state a claim and if anyone else does then we can start a thread...

I've claimed the big Island of Palamos (which is a pretty big grab) as well as the Island chain that I made back a while ago, but it appears to be altered.. I 'd like if it was reduced to what it was before but I geuss Rami would like to have bunch there too so I made up the Argathe wars that happened a milenia ago ending after 100 or so years in a peace as other conflicts and issues required peace, since then Ramissle and Oldhearthe (a province and the old kingdom of ICCD) have been at peace with sealane treaty ect. unless ramissle would rather just have ongoing bloody warfare in the area. I need a sealane none the less and a deepwater sea lane at that otherwise it changes my navy completely as I need room for a large tankers and subs.


If Ramissle has an issue with me tweaking for integation just say but at the least I need deep water and a sealane so the Argathe peace treaty makes the most sense for keeping some consistense with what was already written.


"Also Ramissle if your interested in a 'North For South Trade' It may make things allot more 'ordered' just an offer. That I I lob off a chunk of land to the Vocanic mountains you lob off the connection to the south and the islands you have mingling in that area as a bulk transfer and I move the Lorne and Temporasis territories down south."

Yes i know you like your boundries but this may make it better for us both that way you have a contiguous boundry with Truitt

like for instance

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/430/wank9ou.jpg

Hmm, should probably have gone in the questions thread or map thread, but what ever. Anyways, I really don't want to make a trade on that, and even though I haven't really said that this is going to be my "original area", I think its going to end up being that. I really don't want to make a trade right there. Like really really. Like I said before, I like my boundries from before.
EDIT: If you really, really want a deep water sea lane, then I suggest we just have a thing at the confrence about the area between the East something or other islands and the rest of it, and I'm pretty sure I was going to make that deep water anyways.

Finally, a hub thread, is my Courtship thread in there?

Got the link?

Hop hop hoppity and a tag. Is this gonna be a new OOC thread? Or just the signup thread?

OOC Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10541909#post10541909
Sign up thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10541918#post10541918
And this thread is where you post your news and the links.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470781

The Corporation Expands

Invasion of the new lands, the "clean-up" of the locals oh and anyone who borders me might find out alot of Refugees flooding across your borders.

Here is my first RP for Irathria. Operation: Seize the Islands (Continent of Irathria) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472118) The title sucks, I know. I could not think of anything cool sounding.

The Search for a Bride, and a Queen
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10542840&posted=1#post10542840

My first Irathrian RP...early and modest expansion to the island chain just outside my country: The Quest for First Growth (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472121)

I finished some stuff.

I would like to remind all members of the continent of Irathria, that they are invited to send a young lady of affluence, Upper Middle Class/Upper Class or Nobility, to court my son Aidan.

The following has the link to my nation's tourism page, please consider
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Niall_Noiglach#The_Royal_2nd_Navy

Heres my colonization thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471972

Here's my conquest of the Tyr Islands thread: Bukkha and Samsara (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472877)

A civil War is brewing in Niall Noighlach, here is the OOC thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599760#post10599760

and here is the IC

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599966#post10599966

Just an alert, there may be an epidemic starting in my nation, all those nearby should put their citizens on alert.


Hmmmm, I may just send my Capitol Police into there as peace keeping forces *coughs* ahem...

Just an alert, there may be an epidemic starting in my nation, all those nearby should put their citizens on alert.

...
Who are you?

Just an alert, there may be an epidemic starting in my nation, all those nearby should put their citizens on alert.

If you're in Irathria, then expect to see some Military Junta of No Endorse vessels sometime in the not-too-distant future.

After the civil war and such blow over, how about a coalition war? Slarchers is inactive but instead of just erasing him, how about a coalition (like me, Azazia, No Endorse, Velkya, and other nations in the area) has to come in and overthrow it's corrupt government (maybe extremists or a gang or something have taken over and started building up it's military for a massive invasion of it's neighbors). Then after the war's over, a new player could join the continent and take Slarchers's place (like a new government was installed or something and, ofcourse, the people would rename their country in shame of what happened). Just a little idea since all the action in Irathia seems to be in the southern hemisphere.

As the Gods will it, it shall be done.

Good idea. Although, he is a puppet. I don't remember who though. I could go find out and then just ask him to be active again. That should probably happen first.



And Rosi Crocious is much more inactive, just FYI.

EDIT: Its NSAA, and I just found out he hasn't posted since the middle of February. Go for it.

Hey there! Thought I'd pop in and let you know there's been a character roleplay going on for some time now involving a number of Irathrian nations. It's called the Dark Rebirth and it concerns Ttambo, the Kraven Corporation, Whyatica, and Black Agents, all whom are Irathrian nations I believe. The link is: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472192

Check it out, it's some good reading.

Ramissle yoiu were looking for a conventional war.. this is a perfect oppourtunity for you.... why don't you try to defend slarchers from the coalition

Slarchers is right on my border... I'm not really sure how to feel about this one. On the one hand, it's a great chance to grab territory... on the other, I don't like that many armed forces right on my border.

I'll get back with you soon as to my position.

EDIT: I might ICly state a line a certain distance from my border which coalition troops must not cross. No Endorse would invade up to that point from our own borders. We can meet and shake hands and all there.

Just be prepared in case of that. Otherwise, I might allow my nation to be used as a staging ground (for kickbacks of course ;))

Ramissle yoiu were looking for a conventional war.. this is a perfect oppourtunity for you.... why don't you try to defend slarchers from the coalition
:O!

Perfect!

I was thinking that the line that can be invaded to should be the start of the penninsula.

I'll probably take over part of that island north of Slarchers to begin, for my project that I'll be using.

Slarchers is right on my border... I'm not really sure how to feel about this one. On the one hand, it's a great chance to grab territory... on the other, I don't like that many armed forces right on my border.

I'll get back with you soon as to my position.

EDIT: I might ICly state a line a certain distance from my border which coalition troops must not cross. No Endorse would invade up to that point from our own borders. We can meet and shake hands and all there.

Just be prepared in case of that. Otherwise, I might allow my nation to be used as a staging ground (for kickbacks of course ;))

I'm not actually looking to gain land from it, just thought it would be a good way to wake up northern Irathria. (actually there's apparently been a war going on in Whyatica just south of me that I never knew about. They could have invaded my country and I never would have known. :eek: ) I also don't mind having my nation invaded by anti-coalition forces (I always wanted to try an anti-occupation rp).

I'm not actually looking to gain land from it, just thought it would be a good way to wake up northern Irathria. (actually there's apparently been a war going on in Whyatica just south of me that I never knew about. They could have invaded my country and I never would have known. :eek: ) I also don't mind having my nation invaded by anti-coalition forces (I always wanted to try an anti-occupation rp).


I could help you there, well me and Whyatica can, seeing as in effect, we are the same Nation (its complicated, were the same nation, but different people, I don't know if you've heard of Kraven Slave States?)

Little update....Asbena is building Pykrete vessels.....nothing stationed on any of the colonies in Irathia, but they will be showing up in a few NS years. :)

I could help you there, well me and Whyatica can, seeing as in effect, we are the same Nation (its complicated, were the same nation, but different people, I don't know if you've heard of Kraven Slave States?)

Haven't heard of them yet but I'm sure I can dig up some info. Looks like Slarchers is going to have quite the alliance. This could end up being the Great War of Irathria :sniper:

Haven't heard of them yet but I'm sure I can dig up some info. Looks like Slarchers is going to have quite the alliance. This could end up being the Great War of Irathria :sniper:

Well, basically, the Kraven forces would invade, occupy and strip mine all of the resources from your nation, then move on, kinda like locusts, the Occupation would be very hostile and brutal, through the Iron fist of Military Oppression...


http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/The_Supreme_State

Wiki Article on Slave states and The Supreme State

Well, basically, the Kraven forces would invade, occupy and strip mine all of the resources from your nation, then move on, kinda like locusts, the Occupation would be very hostile and brutal, through the Iron fist of Military Oppression...

Interesting. But is there any way to actually escape in one piece or will the iron fist crush any resistance? (Koryan isn't very resource rich as it is)

The Iron fist will crush any blatant Opposition, but with enough time, preparation and the will to succeed, even people with rocks can slay the mightiest of beasts, (its been done before, a mine rebelled against their Capitol Police guards, and brought one down with pick axes and rocks, before the rest opened fire and butchered the workforce)

Alright then. Koryans haven't had any terrible perils yet - maybe a few generations as a slave state will toughen them up.:cool:

The Beltway's first steps onto Irathrian soil... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477144)

ICCD raises concern over the expansion of Kraven from whyatica to potential koryan as well.

ICCD sees both Raven and Kraven as potential destabalizing forces in Irathria

ICCD, what ever happened to that thread trying to determine my right to Valoria? (that area of the Relish strait that I grabbed...) I'd like to get a final IC agreement hammered out on that, but I lost the thread apparently.

where it left off is basically that. Our militaries have a ceasefire line.

You will grant ships unhindered passage through the area. I think you stated something like a 14 km territorial area. from the shoreline.

If you forfit your solitary claim of solitary holdings and turnover to a joint treaty for freetrade , non taxation and universal use and civil rights for the area than you will be able to utilize the resources in the south as ICCD has been doing.

(the map that you used in that other thread is still sorta contested) as I think a bunch of the islands that are grey were claimed and the lines don't quite work out how the area was drawn especially the south streight area which violates two landing poins and neutral areas, as noted when the fast map was drawn. Sanderburg has posted yet so I have no idea if they recognize the change.

I've already pumped billions of dollars into the south, and established two main 'bases'. (if we take a 1NS year = 1 rl day as the basis)

I have a bunch of bases secretly constructed. I also have at this point hundreds of thousands of troops in the area.

I'm not sure if any of the international allies started extracting resources and developing the area as I did.


As long as your troops don't cross the ceasefire line, all is well. If they do it would be breach of the ceasefire.

We don't see your claim as 100% lawful, but we find peace more important and hope you will rejoin the fold.

ICCD is wondering what your stance on Kraven in the area is?

Perhaps we can find mutual interest in defence against potential expansion by Kraven...

No Endorse has just turned the area into a trade area and the beginnings of a big military base. It's the new companion to my other two bases, giving me 3 mains, Valoria (the strait), Tyria (the island to the N of No Endorse), and Caranda (at the mouth of the river in NE)

I believe it was like 14 nautical miles territorial waters or something... Oh well, make it a 25km zone and we'll be more than happy. (that's a little less than 14nm I think)

There is pretty much no way in the mortal plane that NE will forfit its claim there, it's not ICly possible unless we benefit tremendously from it. (The government has to be able to say to the people "look at what we squeezed from them! The fools!" and not look like they gave in to international pressure)

However, they love money. So they'll let traders go through at will, especially if that trade adds a little to out coffers ;) I'm not in it for anything other than money and a good base, and with us holding that territory, we can assure a steady cash flow if trade holds up, plus we can provide a good refueling stop for ships entering the S sea. (In NE economic warfare is still considered warfare, and not really a laughing matter. And we avoid war where possible.)

We haven't crossed the ceasefire line intentionally... though as with all battlefields, I probably hold a few km of your ground and you probably hold a few km of mine. We might want to go over it with sats to ensure that the borders are being established appropriatly, and that we don't kill each other over a spysat calibration error.

Yeah, I 'claimed' some islands. Nothing out there right now except maybe a couple small bases (two docks (1 deepwater), a company each of infantry and LAVs, a single airstrip with a trio of fighters, a radar dome, sonar array, and a single 4 rocket SAM site) and some patrolling ships. (nothin more extreme than SSNs/cruisers and maybe a solitary CVN) No power projection, just a wee outpost for some forwarning and to... umm... 'stirr the masses' if/when obliterated.

I've pumped some money down there, mostly to get a bunch of tacnukes and such to create nasty killzones in those mountains. (You are aware that the border runs through a rather large mountain range, aye?) Prolly some troops down near the coast for some mobile warfare, some aircraft to ensure that the skies are safe. Most of the stuff is up north though. No Endorse isn't concerned too much. They know that the main issue is trade ($$), and war is expensive.



Kraven is in the area? Oh. Hmm... he'd better not run into me. ICly I have absolutly no problem snuffing out a billion lives to end groups like that, unless I can profit from him. ;)

If I can keep the territory, with the catch that I become part steward of the straits*, having to keep trade open and monitor naval movements, I'll join up as a rather staunch supporter.

*I'd say... ~40% control with your international coalition splitting the rest up individually. Better than Transylvania splitting it with me, trust me.

*I'd say... ~40% control with your international coalition splitting the rest up individually. Better than Transylvania splitting it with me, trust me.

Hey! What are you trying to get at? I can't be trusted.

:D not saying you're not trustworthy! Just pointing out that the alternative is you and me each taking 50% control over the area. I'm sure that you, ICCCD, assorted 11international coalition, and I can come up with some sort of agreement. However, I would like to point out that it is right in my and Transylvania's back yard. Any agreement has to give us a good degree of control over aggressive naval actions through the strait.

Oh...I see what you're talking about. The strait to me is nothing, my waters are good enough. Anything that gets into my water gets round form one of the Wolfe guns.

Kraven is in the area? Oh. Hmm... he'd better not run into me. ICly I have absolutly no problem snuffing out a billion lives to end groups like that, unless I can profit from him. ;)

If I can keep the territory, with the catch that I become part steward of the straits*, having to keep trade open and monitor naval movements, I'll join up as a rather staunch supporter.

*I'd say... ~40% control with your international coalition splitting the rest up individually. Better than Transylvania splitting it with me, trust me.


Hehehe, I wouldn't Brush Kraven off so readily... in the words of Questers "Kraven is like Sven Co-op"

it wouldn't be IC to take you seriously. At least until you blew up several major cities, turned our strategic arsenal against us, and killed the Prime Minister's (err... dictator's) wife. We're just that messed up.

it wouldn't be IC to take you seriously. At least until you blew up several major cities, turned our strategic arsenal against us, and killed the Prime Minister's (err... dictator's) wife. We're just that messed up.


Lol! I see... its all cool..

Just as an update, thanks to ICCD, we have destroyed the WASP forces, including the cloning chambers for Wolf, meaning no more Nazi's in my lands :cool: . Now for those pesky commies who are trying to start a plauge.

they have smuggled Small pox, Bubonic plauge, and Anthrax. Thank god we administer SP vaccines in our baptismal rites.

I think we will all need to talk about it, I can't speak for everyone. I think that you relinquishing your claims to the area is a good start no endorse.
I think that your idea of percentages may be off base though, no claim means no claim, solitarily, simply it means that if you are willing to be peaceable to the others being peaceable then we don't have an issue. If there is some type of contest over the area then we can mitigate it to decide what is best overall for irathria and the area in particular.

I think transylvania is quite set on protecting their borders and territorial waters. No endorse agreed to let Irathrian naval traffic through unhindered. I think that that is supported by every party in the internal sea of Irathria.

By all means we are all the guardian of the straight. Much like the 'rescue and protection' seaborne teams that Niall Noiglach and ICCD put together...
ICCD further extends cooperation and planning of that force to extend to all coasts that extra search and rescue teams can benifit the security of international and domestic individuals in the area during times of crisis.

A good start would be allowing this force to operate in your territorial waters unhindered, for the protection of all Irathrians. The second would be opening your side of the line to general Irathrian usage without restriction, except in enforcing the 'general' Irathrian international laws. That have yet to be set, other than at this point general respect, and non interferance in an individuals right of way, or protection of person, and with that same respect protection of an individuals designated properties.

I.e. no blockages road blocks or searches. Self defence is fully applicable but what ICCD and perhaps other parties invision for the area is an area to secure the entry to the inner sea of irathria for shipping and other purposes as well as foster a place of peaceful coexisting use for those parties that can peacefully coexist in mutual pursuit of economic prosperity advance and exchange.

Essentially those parties that can peacefully coexist should be entitled to use the area, any party that selfishly tries to claim the whole of the area and to enforce laws which violate the principles of equality and equal right to use of the area, are disrupting the environment of peaceful coexistance.

It must be kept in mind of reasonable use of the area, that which does not endanger the lives of the general population in the area, nor that which violates rights of passage or rights of precidence of use.

For those involved in industrial practices an area can be stated as being mined or harvested and as long as it is reasonble to assume that the land use cannot be made more efficient by outside intervention then the use may continue unhindered. In the case that there is a more efficient system to be emplaced then it may be, that simple.

Anydisagreement rests with the past process during a hearing before the Irathrian council for the straights area, to side with the best option for the use of the area, irrespective of citizenship.
The idea of percentage of use does not make much sense, even economically because there is not taxation on business in the are by any particular party, the zero taxes does not circumvent taxes of origin where applicable to a particular state but it does not rest exclusively as a taxable jurisdiction. Any charges for services are specifically the determination of the provider and the client.

Our recommendations are:
1. join the search and rescue "Inter Irathrian Saviour Naval Task Forces"
2. disolve your claim or sense of sole jurisdiction to the north and open it to interirathrian investment. Invest in the south, likewise we would invest in developing the north particulary the two base areas that were designated prior to your occupation of the area.


Transylvania was never excluded from use of the area since they never stated any sole claim to it. I am not aware of any of their activities in the area though.

No Endorse has not placed a sole claim to the strait as far as I am aware, only the land to the South and several islands, the issue of jurisdiction was merely for oversight to ensure open-ness of the straits. You continue to operate under this fantasy that NE wants to restrict trade. OOCly AND ICly, this is a complete fallacy. No Endorse merely wants to get more land to spread out some, and to tap into the trade in the area. We're in it for $$.

If you would like to invest in that territory, please do. However, I cannot ICly give up that land from No Endorse to another country. Economic laws are quite lax, so companies/nations can buy property and open all sorts of stuff down there. (subject to No Endorse law and any treaties ratified by No Endorse of course) If you can think of an ndustry, odds are good we'll let you open it there.

I'm not about to start 'road blocks.' I intend to make it part of the country. That means border crossing points, customs, et cetera. That also means that anyone entering there can go directly to No Endorse mainland without needing to go through passport control. Unless you set up a border system in the area that is acceptable to No Endorse, I will have to keep a border there. Otherwise, I will be able to allow free travel in the area, and also free travel to the No Endorse mainland from that area.

As for the Search and Rescue force, No Endorse already posesses one, and while it will work in close conjunction with your force, it will remain a separate entity. Your forces will be allowed to operate in our waters under the condition that you radio your position, direction of travel, and purpose. You may or may not have No Endorse vessels/aircraft come to aid/supervise. Apon completion of the mission, you will be escourted either to a port (if you need fuel/repairs/etc) or out of our waters. All victims will be rushed to the closest medical facility, and then sent on to wherever necesary on the bill of No Endorse.



Here's the problem with you asking me to relinquish claim to the area: it would be like me demanding that you relinquish an area of your nation to allow for a cross-continent railroad/canal/et cetera. Except more severe, as I've got 3.3 billion crammed into my territory up North there. Territory is a bigger deal when dealing with that many people in such an area. (I'll need to figure out what the pop density would be...) Plus, the fact that you are forced to come to me really puts it in my citizen's heads that NE holds the upper hand in this situation, and backing down when one has the advantage is simply unacceptable. Lastly, my nation would note the comparative sizes and populations, being highly offended that such a 'sparse' nation as you would dare to go toe-to-toe with us when the physical territory and fiscal support is so greatly needed in NE.

Much of what you suggest would probably be for the best, however I cannot accept it ICly, and WILL go to war over it. It's I've listed pretty much the extent of what I'm willing to give up. If you can accept that, then fine. Otherwise, we've got a flashpoint ready to go off.

so what have i missed since i vanished (its in the works why), whos at war with who and are you useing any of my waters?

hello again Irathria

so what have i missed since i vanished (its in the works why), whos at war with who and are you useing any of my waters?

hello again Irathria

No, Yurka and I built a canal, thus circumventing your stranglehold on entrance into the sea.

so what have i missed since i vanished (its in the works why), whos at war with who and are you useing any of my waters?

hello again Irathria
I'm trading around and arguing with ICCCD about the Strait area. Meh, I've given all I intend to, so there's a potential war righ there.

ICCD, Asbena, Amazonian Beasts, Yurka, Roman Greece, Koryan, you are all invited to join in on the discussion of a new military treaty.

Irathrian Defense Force (Closed, entry via Telegram only)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10805275#post10805275

*feels left out* Oh well, I guess I'll just have to be content with what I have (insanity) And I've gots lots of it ^_^

*feels left out* Oh well, I guess I'll just have to be content with what I have (insanity) And I've gots lots of it ^_^

If you and ICCD can promise to play nice together then go ahead, the two of you have been squabbling of late, and I wanted to prevent as much of that as I possibly could.

If you and ICCD can promise to play nice together then go ahead, the two of you have been squabbling of late, and I wanted to prevent as much of that as I possibly could.
Well, I'm close to the end of my offers. If he'll meet me at the halfway, we can proceed. If not, I'm afraid the squabbling will continue.

I've offered to not only allow trade, but to protect it. I've offered to make compromises with border security so that only one trip through customs is necessary for the whole penninsula. I've offered to open the place up for open commerce from almost anyone, to voilently protect stability, and open into friendly relations. I believe that I have offered an EXCESSIVE ammount.

The course of the area rests on his sholders. If he accepts a compromise, he saves countless lives and opens an era of cooperation and friendship.

Well, I'm close to the end of my offers. If he'll meet me at the halfway, we can proceed. If not, I'm afraid the squabbling will continue.

I've offered to not only allow trade, but to protect it. I've offered to make compromises with border security so that only one trip through customs is necessary for the whole penninsula. I've offered to open the place up for open commerce from almost anyone, to voilently protect stability, and open into friendly relations. I believe that I have offered an EXCESSIVE ammount.

The course of the area rests on his sholders. If he accepts a compromise, he saves countless lives and opens an era of cooperation and friendship.

well, add your name to the lst if you would like

I've got to say that this region is seriously not giving any sort of entertainment to me any longer. I'm most likely headed to Haven soon.

I've got to say that this region is seriously not giving any sort of entertainment to me any longer. I'm most likely headed to Haven soon.
Its not because of my inactivity is it? Its only been a weekend or more.

Hmm, to convince you to stay, I'll give you a little teaser for whats going down next. You'll want in, trust me.

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/1044/slarchers0az.jpg

Good enough for you to stay?

I'm trying to get a thread up withen the week, just hoping track and stuff don't interfere.

*hint* I'll be using all my new goodies in it AND its probably going to be my best thread ever. (not that hard to do)

If thats not enough to stay, than good luck.

Velkya, what happens to your island if you leave?

That Island you've marked with Rellingford and Yeagellin is actually under the control of No Endorse. The Island is named Tyria (gotten from the RL city of Tyre from ancient times)

Neither of those names really fit with my naming tradition, give me some time and I'll get back with you about that. (Besides, the main city is on the N shore of that inland bay)



^_^ NE will be willing to take initiative all the way to the Lake Crast- Ifferwast- Lolifunt line, and then turn most of it back over. We would be much obliged if the Fordent- Kollingston line became about where the DMZ would be. (Mostly cause that would necessitate the complete demolishing of those two cities... *shifty eyes*) We'll be taking everything south of that DMZ and... 'integrating' it. But don't worry, we'll be friendly neighbors ^_^



Also, I'll take some of Velkya's offshore isles if/when he leaves. I'll split with Azazia.

EDIT: Who is Slarchers?

That Island you've marked with Rellingford and Yeagellin is actually under the control of No Endorse. The Island is named Tyria (gotten from the RL city of Tyre from ancient times)

Neither of those names really fit with my naming tradition, give me some time and I'll get back with you about that. (Besides, the main city is on the N shore of that inland bay)



^_^ NE will be willing to take initiative all the way to the Lake Crast- Ifferwast- Lolifunt line, and then turn most of it back over. We would be much obliged if the Fordent- Kollingston line became about where the DMZ would be. (Mostly cause that would necessitate the complete demolishing of those two cities... *shifty eyes*) We'll be taking everything south of that DMZ and... 'integrating' it. But don't worry, we'll be friendly neighbors ^_^



Also, I'll take some of Velkya's offshore isles if/when he leaves. I'll split with Azazia.

EDIT: Who is Slarchers?


Oops! I knew about that when I started, but then I forgot. I'll fix it sometime soon.

And Slarchers is a puppet of NSAA, who also hasn't posted since Februaryish (I think.)

Bye! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10886734)

Well perhaps we will meet again at the thames...


ICCD declares martial law in all the border region, and calls for the immediate mobilizatin of 200 million of the Security forces 100 million immediately to take the portion of ramissle between Intracircumcordei Provincia and North Farland, and addition 100 million were put on immediat standby.. emergency lockdowns and short term halting of regular operations.

All populations were put under protective custody until the southern portion of ramissle could be pacified with restored order.

This was the largest operation in ICCD's history


Additionally all navies and marine are called up to secure all the islands around ICCD.

Looks like you have a large army. You just field 300 million armed soldiers from the looks of it.

To ICCD -
We wish to understand your intentions in Ramissle-Florentine. If you simply desire to restore order, we wish to support your efforts from our base in and around New Barbary; the Eighth Mechanized Infantry Division is being deployed to there to assist in re-establishing order in Ramissle-Florentine. If you desire to annex part of Ramissle-Florentine, we are opposed to that proposal. The Beltway has interests in Ramissle-Florentine that need to be protected.
Sincerely,
Kostas Alexakis, Deputy Foreign Minister of The Beltway

I sold domestic production rights to Baltimore Shipyards designs to Ramissle; I (ICly) want to secure the design plans before they get lost...

Looks like you have a large army. You just field 300 million armed soldiers from the looks of it.


Large armys are never a good thing ;) 300 million troops is 40.761% (about) of your population ICCD.

I have 100% tax rate played off a predominately volunteer and servie system tax system military budget 35+% just under $10 trillion
military service is compulsary and the emergency services program starts in the first year of school. cadet corps involvement is mandatory without special waiver for medical reasons or special cases. every goverment job requires atleast 1 year of post cadet service.. conscription and other programs.. everyone in government is effectively military at any time approximately 500 million dians are able to serve some military role including the youth corps and cadet corps, the reserves. not having to 'pay' anyone is very beniffical to the mlitary program and our core mines in addition to other methods of procuring resources make the military very well armed. not meant to be wanking but any reasonable reasons why it couldn't happen are invited.

200 million represents those who are in 'active' military service or on limited recall including infrastructure service workers and other branches of Emergency services which includes intelligence.. you have to understand the state is just that the state only a small ammount of individuals are outside of government completely. Most businesses are operated by the 'secret service' or former intelligence operatives etc.. Note that the ICCD military is 'dual oreinted' in that it trains individuals for needed civilians skills such as engineering, medical, and agricultural maitnence.

the majory of iccd population is in the 15 to 50 age group so aproximately 60% of that around 95% have gone through military training so around 56% of that around 40% are either in security forces essi or infrastructure services the remaining 16% is either covert engagement or a small ammount retired from active service ~very rare. Government employment means they have to uphold the constitution, it is just where they spend their time. Citizens are responsible for thier own defence and the vast majority of dians own weapons and a large number body armour.

a 200 million frce is approximately 27% of the population which fits into the 'active military service range.. not exception.. conventionally considering mismanaged 'class' systems and politically motivated fracture of societies on basis of ideas and ego.. it may not be so redily applicable.. but for the lives of dian it is not the first time emergency services has declared martial law, dians train for it daily in school and as part of their loyal adult lives.
As for ramissle the collapse of the government is very dangerous considering it is inviting foreign powers right next door. mobilizing half of Emergency Services is not 'imposible.. actually ICCD could mobilize close to 500 million indivudals in defence of Intracircumcordei. Considering the vast majority of the population is in intracircumcordei and east farland that is where a large portion of the military would be.

Any questions ask, and I'll try to answer, but if suprisingly the mobilization of 100 million and the standby of 100 mlllion and the reserve orders of 50 million under declared martial law is not out of reach for ICCD.. constructive critisism welcome.. and I can fill you in on supply issues etc..

Looks like you have a large army. You just field 300 million armed soldiers from the looks of it.

Everyone in ICCD has a miliimun of 6 years of paramlitary training
everyone in government has a miliimun of 7 years of paramlitary training
Everyone in a good government job has 10
anyone in research, intelligence or medical is likely to have 12+
anyone in the actual mlitary 15+
anyone in the core servicces 17+ around 30 years of age..
anyone in command 22
and for the politicians etc.. 25+ in some intellligence or security role.

there are exception but that is average..

actually I only 'fully mobilized' 100 million
100 million were placed on standby
and not mentioned as per the martial law 50 million were given martial law powers.
only 100 million are engaged around 80 million between farland and intracircumcordei and the remaining 20 million elsewhere. that includes army navy and air.

OOC - Then who manages your factories? Who manages your farms? Who maintains your economy? Quite simply, a nation cannot put more than 3-5% of its population under arms under normal conditions; even under emergency conditions, it won't get that high.

To ICCD -
We wish to understand your intentions in Ramissle-Florentine. If you simply desire to restore order, we wish to support your efforts from our base in and around New Barbary; the Eighth Mechanized Infantry Division is being deployed to there to assist in re-establishing order in Ramissle-Florentine. If you desire to annex part of Ramissle-Florentine, we are opposed to that proposal. The Beltway has interests in Ramissle-Florentine that need to be protected.
Sincerely,
Kostas Alexakis, Deputy Foreign Minister of The Beltway

I sold domestic production rights to Baltimore Shipyards designs to Ramissle; I (ICly) want to secure the design plans before they get lost...

ICCD intends to restore order and peaceable society to the portion of land between South Intracricumcordei Provincial and North East and West Farland for humanitarian and security reasons. North West Ramissle is not being entered at this time as we currently do not have the manpower to effectively engage in that area unless the situation degrades in the area. The islands around ICCD are also being secured to insure that naval violations do not occur and any dependant territories are provided their requirements. We invite you to bring order to Florintine area of ramissle florintine as it is out of our area of intended operations. as for the North West Ramissle we invite you to establish peace and order in that area, and to secure the Dian border in that area. We will be attempting to establish forums in the areas we are securing so that a new democratic government can be established first at the municipal level then at a regional level.
We applicable we will assist the Ramissle Military in providing law and order until order can be reestablished. We will be transporting local reps to the security of Xian City to set up a temproary national council in security until the government can be reestablished in good peace and order.

We have no intent to annex ramissle florintine, we will not oppose any requests for them to form a greater unioin with the Dian Imperium, but that will be thier choice not ours, we beleive in a fully accepting state, not one subjected into agreement.
We welcome active talk on this issue, perhaps another summit is in order.
Peace and Order for all of us is a number one priority.

OOC - Then who manages your factories? Who manages your farms? Who maintains your economy? Quite simply, a nation cannot put more than 3-5% of its population under arms under normal conditions; even under emergency conditions, it won't get that high.

I was about to ask the same thing.

OOC - Then who manages your factories? Who manages your farms? Who maintains your economy? Quite simply, a nation cannot put more than 3-5% of its population under arms under normal conditions; even under emergency conditions, it won't get that high.

Much of ICCD's agriculture is provided by both underground and above ground greenhouses, also terrace structures. A combination of GMO's and 'proper' farming methods as well as automation (made easier by the greenhouses') maitains crops. As for industry once again robotics is highly used. Dian also removes a large portion of waste and junk production. the state manages production on an as needed basis or for profitable foreign export.

Because ICCD's military is self supplied for the first 5 or so years it takes a burden away from the government in some respect. we have more then enough arms and ammunition to equip a large military and we do not 'control' basic infantry arms and armour (law and order 0%) dians do what they like and much like the wild wild west tote guns with them most everywhere.. our automotive industry make armoured cars as a regular product.

as for say only 5% of population can be military you are false and if you have an explination I am willing to hear it. In the 'non education of western society' and the unhealthy living styles it is understandable why you may think only 5% of a population can be military but training people how to shoot a gun with 5 hours a week and promoting high standards of fitness with atleast 10 hours of dedicated exercise a week + teaching 'valuable' skills rather than social drible to augment an otherwise 'mad' and confused society isn't overly difficult for an ordered society.

70% of dian or more could do the work of most police forces with little trouble. Any valid reason as to why not and I'm geussing it will be based on a mismanged and culturally confused system largely spread over the planet earth.

If you think your society is 'efficient... it aint.'
Take lawns etc. for instance think of all the food that could be grown if everyone had gardens instead of grass.. or think of the gas saved if they didn't mow them.. think of the water savings if grey water was reused.. or the pollution reduction if the sewage system was a closed system that turned feces into compost and gas... and urine into water and fertilizer. think of the pollution loss if cars stored their exhaust fumes and then had them collected for later greenhouse and other uses when they refilled their car. Think of the waste reduction if factories didn't 'pollute' instead traded their wastes for other applications' think of how much time waste could be reduced by efficient ai systems and free everything that was needed and nothing to confuse or waste peoples time. think of food for everyone managed for need not profit. etc.. etc.. 5% is sadly not what most nations have employed for their police firefighters and doctors.. now what if the training programs melded all these into one program... removing all the duplication of training.. what if there were no prisons for the citizens and the only punishment was death or exile. That is ICCD. A social humanistist extremist population for the absolutes. They highly value natre and honour and use 'cyclic non wasting systems'. Controlled by the state- the imperial houses and the casa militar and other bodies.. Dians do what they like but their education and training lets them see the real values.. the past political purges provide a united unobscured identity and purpose.

Why 5% i'd like to hear this but perhaps a new thread is in order to discus it and it may invite other interpretations.

p.s. on standby and martial law.. everything is 'slowed down' a bit, some places still run at max capacity and some places are stepped up to remove some stored materials but a large chunk of the population isn't able to go above ground without clerance..

oh if you didn't know Dians have two trademark constructions underground buildings, cities factories etc.. and terrace stone pyramids a mix of ziggaruat, pyramid and hanging gardens.

any questions ask but on the contrary 100% of the population is military if they uphold the constitution it is just how good they are at doing it or if they would kill.. everyone in ICCD is under the 'feudal' imperium.. meaning everyone can kill and get away with it.. no one has 'police' powers they do have the right to duel or raise arms against violaters of the constittion, and special justisars can mediate a dispute.. or are sent out to resolve an attack against the state. attacks against the state are generally seen as acts of war, or perhaps equivlent to terrorism for others minds, which the punishment is death, the punishment for any attack against the state or ESSI is death or exile, almost always death. Martial law simply means that individuals are on the job considered government and the state 24 hours instead of just when they are at work. martial law also means that extra security is added sites, and curfews and closure of the borders for tourism and trade.. or much more highly monitored etc..

The highest military levels I can think of offhand are the US during WWII and then Israel at several times.

But even still, 40% is an economy crusher. Remember how effective the US economy was in WWII? And that was something like 16% I think at MAX. (EDIT: and no one was actively attacking our production facilities like we hit Germany...) This is almost tripple that, in highly modernized and mechanized warfare.

ICCD intends to restore order and peaceable society to the portion of land between South Intracricumcordei Provincial and North East and West Farland for humanitarian and security reasons. North West Ramissle is not being entered at this time as we currently do not have the manpower to effectively engage in that area unless the situation degrades in the area. The islands around ICCD are also being secured to insure that naval violations do not occur and any dependant territories are provided their requirements. We invite you to bring order to Florintine area of ramissle florintine as it is out of our area of intended operations. as for the North West Ramissle we invite you to establish peace and order in that area, and to secure the Dian border in that area. We will be attempting to establish forums in the areas we are securing so that a new democratic government can be established first at the municipal level then at a regional level.
We applicable we will assist the Ramissle Military in providing law and order until order can be reestablished. We will be transporting local reps to the security of Xian City to set up a temproary national council in security until the government can be reestablished in good peace and order.

We have no intent to annex ramissle florintine, we will not oppose any requests for them to form a greater unioin with the Dian Imperium, but that will be thier choice not ours, we beleive in a fully accepting state, not one subjected into agreement.
We welcome active talk on this issue, perhaps another summit is in order.
Peace and Order for all of us is a number one priority.
To ICCD -
We appreciate your candor. The Beltway, unfortunately, lacks the sort of force needed to secure Florentine, and will be unable to deploy sufficient forces to the area in anywhere near a meaningful amount of time. As it is, our deployment in New Barbary, in Southeast Ramissle-Florentine, is taxing our resources fairly significantly, due to the distance from our nation. Nonetheless, we will continue in our operations to restore some sembalance of order in Ramissle-Florentine.
In the event of an offer of union with The Beltway by any of Ramissle-Florentine's successor states, we will take their offer into consideration.
Sincerely,
Kostas Alexakis, Deputy Foreign Minister of The Beltway

No Endorse would be willing to secure Florintine. It will be retaking the rest of that peninsula thingy anyways, so we'll be in the neighborhood.

We are not willing to see ICCD take all of Ramissile. However, we are willing to make a deal.

The highest military levels I can think of offhand are the US during WWII and then Israel at several times.

But even still, 40% is an economy crusher. Remember how effective the US economy was in WWII? And that was something like 16% I think at MAX. (EDIT: and no one was actively attacking our production facilities like we hit Germany...) This is almost tripple that, in highly modernized and mechanized warfare.

Your thinking in mismanaged resources. Wartime was warwaste.. it also had untrained individuals and lacking of automation. note tractors etc.. came out as a result of wwII no computers etc..

also our soilders serve multiple roles their traning is 'productive' and constructive, and educational.

Also war waste is an issue of 'actual' war. That is the stuff you make blows up. ICCD is rarely active in material wasting war. Most of it's systems are cyclic. That is resource are stored by the systems.

US etc.. were not efficient.. they arn't comparible. The techologies and systems employed are not comparible. Also the US had 'private' ownership of industry in some respects... etc.. also there was widespread unemployment faulty education etc.. etc.. prior to the war. ICCD is efficient and united. The US was partially divided and composed of 'individual interests' rather than united objective of improving humanity as a whole, rather than making a life for yourself.. for Dians it is about making the state better for everyone that is the idea, dians are not selfish for themselves, they strive to improve their living standards by thinking of more efficient systems that enhance nature.

Also US taxes etc.. are not comparible to ICCD's taxes.

Ah but the merchant fleets were being attacked.. and the economy was not 'truelyhurt' the banks just took a large portion of power.... the whole point of the war likely. Corporate powers over the public.

Although the social systems are the same. ICCD is a commune oriented system that has compulsary military service starting in a very well run high time consuming education system. more involved then current japanese education.

Individuals spend their free time in activities that are benificial to the state expanding creativity or using the materials the state provides.. the foreign influence is not so much there. Although dians are not limited, society is structured to make the most useful materials and resources most accessable.

The US wasn't efficient in WWII.

No Endorse would be willing to secure Florintine. It will be retaking the rest of that peninsula thingy anyways, so we'll be in the neighborhood.

We are not willing to see ICCD take all of Ramissile. However, we are willing to make a deal.

ICCD sees any involvement in assisting peace and stability in Florintine as a good thing.

Note that ICCD's naval operations include the Florintine Isles to the West of Florintine proper.

If there is no one to secure the North West of Ramissle it leaves little choice but to dispatch 30 million of the Northern ICCD Standby Forces.


Anyone that has forces in any of the areas of operation of ICCD operations would you advise us as to this

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=480864

is a fairly weak thread I started in regards to ICCD's operation. I generally only go into depth on operations on request or interest.. as such if you'd like the story written just request it and I can provide ICCDs details.

ICCD will as best they can assist peace and stablility in the collapse of Ramissle to circumvent nonirathrian influence. ICCD is striving to reform the democratic government in Ramissle.

So no endorse or any other Irathrian Nations that can assist in a peaceful transitio of Ramissle Florintine I invite you to assist, especially in Florintine.
Anyone that would like to assist ICCD's operations in Ramissle (Ramissle Ramissle) contact Intracircumcordei via TG and we can coordinate operations.

The Corporate States is mobilizing the 2nd Army to take control of South Florintine, We will consider any forces from any other nation in the planed area an invasion and act of war and will respond in kind. This will be the only warning the Corporate States will give.



OOC:

ICCD, its a general rule that your military can not be more then 5%, anything above that is considered millita who have little training.

Its in most of the sticky's and belive me your not the 1st person to use technobable and claim that due to the this that and the other i can do this but all have lost and most get ignored.

Red Army in May 1945: about 29 million
Soviet population in May 1945: about 170 million
Percentage of population in the army in May 1945: 17.1%

A few notes on that...
The USSR was only building some of its equipment at this time; the US, through lend-lease, supplied the Soviets with a lot of equipment that the USSR couldn't build itself due to both destroyed factories and a lack of manpower, especially locomotives, trucks, waterproof telephone cables, aluminum, and canned rations.

Sources:
Demographics of the USSR - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union)
Soviet Army - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Army#World_War_II)
Lend-Lease - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-lease)

Satisfied?

The Corporate States is mobilizing the 2nd Army to take control of South Florintine, We will consider any forces from any other nation in the planed area an invasion and act of war and will respond in kind. This will be the only warning the Corporate States will give.



OOC:

ICCD, its a general rule that your military can not be more then 5%, anything above that is considered millita who have little training.

Its in most of the sticky's and belive me your not the 1st person to use technobable and claim that due to the this that and the other i can do this but all have lost and most get ignored.

Speaking for NN, I would like to warn CorpSac that unwarranted agression against No Endorse, ICCD or Niall Noiglach, will result in the full military forces of all three nations down upon your head. Think wisely before provoking the memebers of the IDF into action.

*points out the quality of the CCCP army during the period in question*

Let's be honest, we're fighting against russian equipment every time we fight a third world country.



Corpsac, would I be able to take some of the northernd area of old Florintine? Or am I gonna have to fight you for it?

EDIT: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Random/fe6e907e.jpg There's where I'm lookin, though I can easily cut a hunk outa the west side there.

I still disagree with the 5% is the largest concept. It is just structured system. Take for instance past models.. Elizibethian England.. made it law that everyone was trained in the long bow etc.. in the early us it was law that everyone owned a gun in some cases. Look to hunter gathering bands all the mails were warriors intitiated into certain rights..

Many countries have 'mandatory' periods of service lebanon etc..
Those are all generally 'capitalist' forms of government.



ICCD is state oriented, unlike anything that has occured on earth.. I already went over the INFO but quite simply ICCD is a militarized state. 5% of the population is miniscule. If the entire government was the military that is basically ICCD. The bulk would be 'reservist/militia' but trained in infrastructure roles.. the high standard of education that is declassed taking out the propaganda and duplication of information as most education systems assists in providing them with the skills dians need. Physical education is highly engrained ICCD as to so IT, and philosophy.
If you can provide 'proof or theory' other than mismanged cultures I would have to side with you if I could not refute it but so far I havn't been given anything but these guys only did this.

Do not underestimatte the Dian Militia though.. they take their guns home with them... and fuedal violence is an every day event, there are also various sports equivlent to laser tag done in large auditoriums and mock city blocks etc...


ICCD does have a larger than usual ' professional' military as well though. Information on ICCD Security Forces are provided in the wiki article. If you have any questions on missing information I can fill it in for you. Some of my info is only on the harddrive and hasn't been put up on wiki.. I've done quite a bit of 'background' writting, structuring etc.. wiki is a little dated...

Just because every person is armed doesn't make every person a soldier, and certainly does not make every person a peacekeeper. You cannot commit 100 million troops to peacekeeping operations as a 700-million person nation.

Plus it's less of what you believe, and more of what other people are willing to accept. The beauty of free-form is you can have whatever you want... we just don't have to accept it. It works both ways too.

Just because every person is armed doesn't make every person a soldier, and certainly does not make every person a peacekeeper. You cannot commit 100 million troops to peacekeeping operations as a 700-million person nation.

Yes it does. The way ICCD HRD program is manged is that student entering school are enrolled into scouts type training with heavy emphasis on devloping survival skill and physical activity.
By Highschool they go into 'CADETS' which is actual indepth.. everyone.. except those with valid reason.. such as medical.

a vast mority 90+ % of Dians work for the government .. this insures one full year at usually age 19 to full year training both hardcore military skills physical etc... it is outline in the wiki article. Many are luered to get 'good govermnet jobs.. and a damn good pension and stay to Imperial Acadamy or what the best and brightest Lictor Service.. after that they generaly move on to Intelligence or command roles. The way ICCD progresses training has the bulk of the military as army.. with navy and army training 'cross training'. Only a small percentage.. perhaps 1% of the military is airforce and less than 1% the space program. The navy has high weighting on a solid command crew and capable seamen. Special forces teams are the 'core' of the operational military.. ICCD's provincia forces are generally not deployed out of the province they are usually in. they would be the bulk of the reserve forces with around half of them being deployed in ramissle. Although those are the forces mobilized actual numbers of troops in ramissle or long term engaged in ramissle is questionable.

The issue is think of all the factory workers.. what if they also were trained in site security etc.. what if the factories were automated... what do they do? There is still stuff to be done but Dian HRD does training and education in addition when you leave formation is does not end the duty to uphold the constitution.. and as most dians have weapons and know how to use them.. there is a constant edge of insecurity in ICCD this has fueled a more capable public especially in urban combat. The professional forces are capable in a variety of other forces. Going to WWII though isnt a good example.. because those soilders didn't train much prior to going into service.. ICCD is constantly in the education system and the requirements of compulsary service.. constantly training for a strong intelligent and honourable force.. the state of ICCD.

ICCD is very capable in field 1 in 7 of the popuation.. MALE AND FEMALE.
for that matter ICCD has around 4 in 7 capable of taking some security related role.

Plus it's less of what you believe, and more of what other people are willing to accept. The beauty of free-form is you can have whatever you want... we just don't have to accept it. It works both ways too.

Nope you don't have to accept it but if you can give me a valid reason other then. I don't like that cause it makes me look pathetic isn't adequet.

It's not "We don't like it because it looks pathetic." It's "We don't accept it because you can't reasonably have an army of that size without almost everyone being militia, and if most are militia, then you'll have no real capability for offensive operations."

Further, Israel in 1973 mobilized 415,000 troops by the end of the Yom Kippur War out of a population of 4.2 million (http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/yankee/yomkippur1973.htm); that's with a militia-style army (everyone goes through military training and everyone gets their own weapons), yet only 9.9% of the population was mobilized.

I've been trying to cite emergency situations as a means of showing you what has happened in the past, so as to give you a real-life basis for your military. If there is so much automation that you can field one-seventh of your population, then where does everyone work?

Note that site security =/= warfare/peacekeeping/soldiering...

The social systems arn't the same though, the education system isn't the same. Real world examples won't show it.. use my social system and explain why it wouldn't be posible.. if you can do that it would be a valid reason. Also using 1940's and 1970's examples don't fill the technology gap.. also having and sex discriminatory country i,e. only males could serve adds to this.

ICCD has a core professional modern 'cutting edge' military and a very well equiped and trained militia/reservist/national gaurd type force that has a minimun of 4 years training. from 16 to 19 one year solid training.
40+% of the population has 5-7 years.. etc.. as in the wiki.

There are no real world examples. We are a cutting edge technological, computer/space age state that has a harsher education system then Japan, that combines military schooling with high technology and 'otherwise insane standards of reality. Still no valid reasons why not.. sure you are citing 'Real World' countries at a given time however the thing is they don't use my systems in full.

I think your facts are interesting but they are not overly applicable because ICCD as a state is unitarian.. not fragmented. unitarian to the state... dissenters of lies corruption and weakness. It is a strong state. Based upon the information I've given I see no reason why my numbers would be inaccurate.. if you can give examples of the systems and why they could not function do so otherwise you are trying to fit the mold where it doesn't apply.
Russia and Isreal were OK examples but you need to put it in the right time frame and enhance it by 100x's to get an idea of how militarized the system is. There are only vaugely pions and corporate individuals in ICCD less so then russia etc.. the state is involved in everything.. clearly. It is like kabutz and menonite community in one.

Nope you don't have to accept it but if you can give me a valid reason other then. I don't like that cause it makes me look pathetic isn't adequet.
I have no worries about being pathetic. When a nation deploys nuclear ordinance freely, they aren't concerned by any blusterings.

Besides, I'd like you to stop and consider how much money you're spending on the military here. Your 8 trillion dollar defense budget won't nearly cut it for a 300,000,000 man army, nor will you be capable of supporting a 1:1 ratio when your enemies are carpet-nuking you. (And trust me, should a conflict come up in Irathria, there WILL be carpet-nukings)

*points out the quality of the CCCP army during the period in question*

Let's be honest, we're fighting against russian equipment every time we fight a third world country.



Corpsac, would I be able to take some of the northernd area of old Florintine? Or am I gonna have to fight you for it?

EDIT: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Random/fe6e907e.jpg There's where I'm lookin, though I can easily cut a hunk outa the west side there.


we're not bothered about the northern and central part, just want the southern part since its near to our shores and we have have nearly 5 and a half billion people to house and such. With our current land we're not going to be able to do that and hence we must expand.

TAP/NN
Dont threating a State that could crush you with its boot and wipe you on the carpet with out thinking twice. ICCD is so spreed out at the moment that We're suprised that there nation is so bold to claim as much land as they do when they do not have the man power or millitary to hold it let alone fight a war with a nation that's millitary thats active at the moment is over 1/7th there total population (and thats 3/5th (about) of my military, including logistical).

The only one in that allaince of 3 of your that we would even think was a challange is No Endorse, tho im shore they share the same feeling as us of not going to war over a idal threat made by a....child nation. That and they must know that we hold nothing back and use anything and everything if it got to that point.

OOC:-

no offence, its not that i think what your trying to say ICCD holds no water but if i ignore others who say the same sort of thing you do and dont ignore your claim of military...well....you know.

Think of it like this, for one solider you have your Armour, Doctors, Dentists, Barbers, Cook, Supply manager, postal service, Trainers and so forth. And thats at just one base, yes meny of them would service more then one solider but its still per soldier 8 other people working to help just one.

My nation of over 5 billion can have at 3% over 160 million people in the military, but around 90-100 million are in logistical service, leaving what 70-60 million in combat roles. I would never field such a military force in one combat since my military serves as police as well and its impratical in RPs to have million man armies.

I have no worries about being pathetic. When a nation deploys nuclear ordinance freely, they aren't concerned by any blusterings.

Besides, I'd like you to stop and consider how much money you're spending on the military here. Your 8 trillion dollar defense budget won't nearly cut it for a 300,000,000 man army, nor will you be capable of supporting a 1:1 ratio when your enemies are carpet-nuking you. (And trust me, should a conflict come up in Irathria, there WILL be carpet-nukings)


8 trillion taking a 1 year / year that is $30,000 spending per person.. but they do other things... like real life stuff integrated as needed. That 300 million isn't constantly active.. also arms etc.. don't need to be repurchased in the 60 years of growth ICCD has not had to repurchase it's arms and equipment on a regular basis (ammo was needed) but as far as the budget goes.. we are fitting our budget.. taking a 1/2 that is still 4 trillion / year for living costs and 4 trillion for programs... note that healthcare etc.. etc.. is all included in the state.. maning no costs for education / health etc. whihc are all other budgets.. paying for a 400 million person security program where 200 million are in active 'emergency services roles and 200 million are involved in infrastructure roles (like most blue colar workers.. ) is very much feasable.. note that 9 trillion or whatever it is currently.. has been that way for some time.. with slight fluctuation.. if you count 15 years by only 5 trillion that is 75 trillion .. the money and equipment adds up.



EDIT: As for the carpet nukings that quicky deterioates the situation.. I'd just transport ICCD to another planet(writing it off) in the case it goes to fullscale nuclear conflict.. ICCD of course has nuke defence.. and interceptors.. but if everything gets nuked it makes it mostly redundant. I'd keep playing ICCD it just wouldn't be Irathria(I've done too much development just to pack it in) I'd keep playing it out but I'd develop a new storyline for ICCD. All is fair but carpet nuking would be extremely expensive. I'm willing to play out any given situation if it is done reasonably.
That includes carpet nuking I personally don't see why anyone would resort to doing that though. It is fair game but I don't see much intelligence in it.. unless people are for post apocalyptic.. a few nukes tacticle or field nuetron bombs strategic strike operations is undersanble but lashing out with megatuns upon megatons of nuclear weapons does nothing but blows up the planet and makes life 'mostly' unlivable. Not much gain in that for anyone.
If they can realistcally support the number of nukes they have etc.. I'm game.. if they can't I'd call it a wank.

PS don't forget the state owns everything.. so the money is only a measure of resources... it only grows. Time Training Resources.. the first two are free infrastructure costs.. technology & science givens.. and no inflation of costs for equipment for profit etc... as the state operates the factories etc.. predominantly.

we're not bothered about the northern and central part, just want the southern part since its near to our shores and we have have nearly 5 and a half billion people to house and such. With our current land we're not going to be able to do that and hence we must expand.

TAP/NN
Dont threating a State that could crush you with its boot and wipe you on the carpet with out thinking twice. ICCD is so spreed out at the moment that We're suprised that there nation is so bold to claim as much land as they do when they do not have the man power or millitary to hold it let alone fight a war with a nation that's millitary thats active at the moment is over 1/7th there total population (and thats 3/5th (about) of my military, including logistical).

The only one in that allaince of 3 of your that we would even think was a challange is No Endorse, tho im shore they share the same feeling as us of not going to war over a idal threat made by a....child nation. That and they must know that we hold nothing back and use anything and everything if it got to that point.

OOC:-

no offence, its not that i think what your trying to say ICCD holds no water but if i ignore others who say the same sort of thing you do and dont ignore your claim of military...well....you know.

Think of it like this, for one solider you have your Armour, Doctors, Dentists, Barbers, Cook, Supply manager, postal service, Trainers and so forth. And thats at just one base, yes meny of them would service more then one solider but its still per soldier 8 other people working to help just one.

My nation of over 5 billion can have at 3% over 160 million people in the military, but around 90-100 million are in logistical service, leaving what 70-60 million in combat roles. I would never field such a military force in one combat since my military serves as police as well and its impratical in RPs to have million man armies.

We are just there to assist the rightful government maintain peace and order, and to insure the continuance of the Ramissle Government in whatever democratic form emerges.

We thank you for any assistance you can have in this manner. Currently our intelligence show the Beltway staging operations in North West Ramissle. We are not fully sure of the intent.

ICCD has decided not to deploy into North West Ramissle due to Beltways presence.

South West Ramissle up to the Barbary border will be assisted. The Islands in and around ICCD not including the Northern Ramissle Island are to be assisted. Continental Florintine will not see any Dian Troops unless blatant human rights abuses are noted, in that case we may be forced to protect the Florintine population from barbaric practice.

In no way are we at war with anyone right now, and feel that mediation is the best option for ongoing Irathrian Security. We invite Corpsac to indepth discusion along with IDF members No Endorse etc.. to insure that powerful foreign influences do not engage in Irathria, and that the best intersets of all Irathria and those stakeholders in cushioning the breakup of Ramissle have voice in peaceful activities in relation to the breakup.

We have no protests to any of the activities, including both No Endorse and Corpsac at this time. We would be willing to mediate any potential conflict between No Endorse and Corp Sac to insure both parties settled any potential administrative disputes.

TAP/NN
Dont threating a State that could crush you with its boot and wipe you on the carpet with out thinking twice. ICCD is so spreed out at the moment that We're suprised that there nation is so bold to claim as much land as they do when they do not have the man power or millitary to hold it let alone fight a war with a nation that's millitary thats active at the moment is over 1/7th there total population (and thats 3/5th (about) of my military, including logistical).

The only one in that allaince of 3 of your that we would even think was a challange is No Endorse, tho im shore they share the same feeling as us of not going to war over a idal threat made by a....child nation. That and they must know that we hold nothing back and use anything and everything if it got to that point.

OOC:-

no offence, its not that i think what your trying to say ICCD holds no water but if i ignore others who say the same sort of thing you do and dont ignore your claim of military...well....you know.



Just so you know, our armies combined make up the armies of more than just No Endorse, myself, and ICCD. And, If war broke out, my people would themselves pickup arms and begin partisan activities in your nation, after all, gun ownership is compulsory for that very reason. And just as a warning, my Combat Archery Divisions are expanding, after all, who wouldn't want to use a bow and arrow to cath someone on fire, from the inside out.

Official No Endors Dispatch:
The nation of No Endorse welcomes aid in the Florintine area, and would love for a power such as Corpsac to aid in keeping the peace. The area is, as far as we can tell, in sheer anarchy. Full-scale assimilation will be undertaken in the areas detailed in an attatched image. (ooc: see above) We warn our allies that war is not such a wise course of acton in these circumstances.

We fully intend to revolutionize this nation, making it a full fledged member of the Military Junta. Thank you for your time and attention.
-Atal Amner

ooc: anyone know the current population of Florintine?

I'm not sure how current the information is considering the prior disintigration of florintine prior to the incorporation in ramissle florintine but here are the florins stats

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Florintine

A recommendation was put forth. Perhaps Niall Noiglach and other nations such as Absena and Azazia and Transylvannia can mitigate the central florintine area. This would provide a relative land buffer between CorpSac and No Endorse. Since Corpsac stated they were only interested in the south, and no endorse the north, it would be benificial to have a multinational force bring order to the central regions as to prevent either of the two from making land based attacks against one another.

Why take land in the central Florintine area? When the Dominion has control over Wolfe island and the Angel island chain. If a battle happens in the central area, the Dominion will sit back and laugh at two forces. One more thing, the 8th Night Stalker will be stationed on Wolfe island and the Angel island chain. For those who have no idea what the 8th is, it is one of the massive airship fleet of the Dominion. ~ Lord Governor Cain Wolfe (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/CainWolfe.jpg)

OOC: The 8th Night Stalker has all of these airships listed.
20 Hyperion class rigid airships
20 Trojan class rigid aircraft carriers
20 Trojan II class rigid airborne aircraft carriers
40 Mako class airship bombers
40 Spartan fleet defense blimps

Official No Endors Dispatch:
The nation of No Endorse welcomes aid in the Florintine area, and would love for a power such as Corpsac to aid in keeping the peace. The area is, as far as we can tell, in sheer anarchy. Full-scale assimilation will be undertaken in the areas detailed in an attatched image. (ooc: see above) We warn our allies that war is not such a wise course of acton in these circumstances.

We fully intend to revolutionize this nation, making it a full fledged member of the Military Junta. Thank you for your time and attention.
-Atal Amner

ooc: anyone know the current population of Florintine?

WE will be keeping the peace in our own little way, the people will be....happy...by the end of our....Change of hands. We of corse suspect lies of the Criminals of Faith (yes all faiths/beliefs etc are outlawed in the Corporate States) will say that we are doing crule and inhuman things, but this is all just lies.

Kimiko, Chairmen of the CEOs

Hi
Can everyone with land in Irathria do a map or post details of ALL territories they claim or are occupying. Maps are prefered. This way any conflicting identities can be discused seperately to have a clear piture of what is happening. From these maps I can make a current map and post it up.

The Beltway will, assuming all goes well, by the end of this, hold southwestern Ramissle along with the islands just off its coast. For the purposes of this rp, I'm going to assume that there are six major successor states in SW Ramissle: New Barbary (where I'm based from; northern SW Ramissle, near the coast), Harmonia (on NB's southern border), the Seafarers' Kingdom (the islands near SW Ramissle), the Holy Republic of Pilgrim (on NB's eastern border), and the Irathrian People's Republic of Kursov (the rest of SW Ramissle). There may be a few city-states, but none of real interest.

A recommendation was put forth. Perhaps Niall Noiglach and other nations such as Absena and Azazia and Transylvannia can mitigate the central florintine area. This would provide a relative land buffer between CorpSac and No Endorse. Since Corpsac stated they were only interested in the south, and no endorse the north, it would be benificial to have a multinational force bring order to the central regions as to prevent either of the two from making land based attacks against one another.
ooc: I have no intentions of bringing war against him. I actually intend to try to increase relations with him. You can put little pockets between us, but all you'll do is make it so that if war does break out, it will HAVE to be a world war, instead of just letting it be between two powers.

No Endorse holds the following areas: (extra notes in parenthesis)
No Endorse (the main area) Holds the capitol of New Heisen on the N coast, and the big 3 base and major city of Caranda on the River. (that is the proper name... "Caranda on the River")
Tyria, the island just to the North of NE (major naval/army base, one of the big 3)
Valoria, the strip of land near the strait, plus a cluster of islands at the inner end of the strait. (major naval/army base, one of the big 3)
And we're eyeing the vibrant blue area detailed in the following map, to be named Florinland.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/anomaly149/Random/fe6e907e.jpg

we're obviously claiming all the way to the coast there, as well as those Florintine islands in the Gulf of Tiber I just didn't bother filling it in. Also, note that penninsula to the west is unclaimed.

IC: Official No Endorse Dispatch No Endorse would like to announce that it is taking the rest of the penninsula along the Gulf of Tiber. Troops are currently mobilising and moving. Any interference in the area detailed in the attatched map will be considered an act of war, and we will respond quite negatively to such actions.

The areas in question are marked blue on this map. I chose the colour myself, I do enjoy it. I hope that you do to.
-Atal Amner, Prime Minister of No Endorse

Already several divisions were moving south to secure the area. This penninsula was relatively sparsely populated, and there was minimal trouble in steamrolling over what minimal defense the locals put up. However, the terrain was dense and the going hard. Already a flash-flood had wiped out an entire platoon, but the wide swaths of burning forest cut by the troops would soon serve as superhighways, with bulldozers already beginning the initial preparations in No Endorse.

Why take land in the central Florintine area? When the Dominion has control over Wolfe island and the Angel island chain. If a battle happens in the central area, the Dominion will sit back and laugh at two forces. One more thing, the 8th Night Stalker will be stationed on Wolfe island and the Angel island chain. For those who have no idea what the 8th is, it is one of the massive airship fleet of the Dominion. ~ Lord Governor Cain Wolfe (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/CountJWolf/CainWolfe.jpg)

OOC: The 8th Night Stalker has all of these airships listed.
20 Hyperion class rigid airships
20 Trojan class rigid aircraft carriers
20 Trojan II class rigid airborne aircraft carriers
40 Mako class airship bombers
40 Spartan fleet defense blimps

OOC: I feel ignored. Nobody is listening to Cain.

The Beltway will, assuming all goes well, by the end of this, hold southwestern Ramissle along with the islands just off its coast. For the purposes of this rp, I'm going to assume that there are six major successor states in SW Ramissle: New Barbary (where I'm based from; northern SW Ramissle, near the coast), Harmonia (on NB's southern border), the Seafarers' Kingdom (the islands near SW Ramissle), the Holy Republic of Pilgrim (on NB's eastern border), and the Irathrian People's Republic of Kursov (the rest of SW Ramissle). There may be a few city-states, but none of real interest.
Just so you know go to the map thread.. I alredy have troops in some of those areas..

So inform me of any operations where RP is necesary.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10903088#post10903088

this is not a diffinitive map this is the sctetch of what I have put together by what information I have read or gotten already.. feel open to correct errors etc.. where rp is necisary start up a thread or inform me to.

This is fairly big, and if there are any contests as there appears to be then we'll have to play it out.

Knowing now that Beltway intends war with areas in ICCD's sphere, it is indeed reverseing the reverse of the Barbary troops and is sending the 30 Million into the area. To secure the mountains and coordinate with the Ramisslian Military in that area for plans against a Beltway invasion.

The publisized defence is to storm from the mountains to the sea and deprive beltway from the coast for naval operations. ICCD is mobalizing the western fleet for defence of the inland coast and palamos. The Northern Islands will only be so defended if beltway plans an invasion of them. Ferrying any troops supplies and individuals posible prior to the arival of beltway to the Northern Islands.

OOC: I feel ignored. Nobody is listening to Cain.

If you change your mind just say... as always ICCD is looking for stronger relations with Transylvania. We just arn't sure how that is possible.

Not going to change my mind. The Dominion has all of the land it needs. To get stronger relations with me, it is really hard. To keep them, it is harder.

I haven't declared war, nor has New Barbary mobilized. You have no IC knowledge of NB's intentions, nor any of my own intentions. Nice try...

WHAT IS NB? It does not exist. Any division of ramissle is treason and is being treated that way.

p.s. ICCD has mobilized and any resistance to upholding ramissle is being met with lethal force.

ICCD, I've had enough of this rp. Go ahead and take over Ramissle - it's what you wanted originally, isn't it?

Because ICCD uses 49%or higher of his pop, I say we vote him out of Irathria. Irathria is not place for godmoder that think he can use 50% of his pop in the army.

One vote for ICCD to be kicked out.

I doubt we could safely do that; besides, I don't really want to end up on ICCD's borders. I suppose we could try to kick ICCD out, but I doubt it would work. Still, motion seconded.

We can kick him out, there is not one leader (Ramissle) anymore of Irathria. They are many leaders, now. I can modified Rams map to make ICCD disappear on it. Making it nobody's land.

Two votes for the kick out. I repeat, Irathria is no place for godmodders.

Fair enough, although I'm more concerned about how well we'll be able to make it stick...

Two ways, take him off the map. Tell him not to post in anymore Irathria thread and if he post in an Irathria thread after that, tell the mods about it and they enforce what we told him. That is why me and Corpsac never posted in a thread that one of was in. Now, we put everything behind us and started fresh. We can post in each other threads, if we want.

Sounds good, right?

Just wait until tomorrow; let the others see this first before you set up a new thread.

Okay. Plus we will need the others to vote too. Before i can do anything.

Speaking for Niall Noiglach, I vote Nay, he is not godmodding, he has explained how it is that he is able to mobilise such a large force, you simply chose to disregard it. As a PMT Nation, it is feasible for a nation to have such a large army. Look at Israel, their military is much more than 5%, include mechanization of your industries, and you no longer need as many people back home to watch over the factories. MAchines making machines.

Niall Noiglach, using 50% of your pop is a godmode. A big godmode.. Machines need somebody to run them, meaning he will need to have workers to do that.

Speaking for Niall Noiglach, I vote Nay, he is not godmodding, he has explained how it is that he is able to mobilise such a large force, you simply chose to disregard it. As a PMT Nation, it is feasible for a nation to have such a large army. Look at Israel, their military is much more than 5%, include mechanization of your industries, and you no longer need as many people back home to watch over the factories. MAchines making machines.
The Israeli army (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10898804&postcount=87), at its highest proportionally (in 1973), was about 9.9% of its population.

Two ways, take him off the map. Tell him not to post in anymore Irathria thread and if he post in an Irathria thread after that, tell the mods about it and they enforce what we told him. That is why me and Corpsac never posted in a thread that one of was in. Now, we put everything behind us and started fresh. We can post in each other threads, if we want.

Sounds good, right?

Ya me and Trans put our differences aside after all whats the point of a fude on NS. The best way if we were to Kick ICCD is:-

Recrate the Irathria Thread, use the same map but edit ICCD out and place RULES when we make the thread, things we ALL agree on.

Ya me and Trans put our differences aside after all whats the point of a fude on NS. The best way if we were to Kick ICCD is:-

Recrate the Irathria Thread, use the same map but edit ICCD out and place RULES when we make the thread, things we ALL agree on.

hey, go over to the map thread and read his latest post, he has explained it all for you, if you still don't accept it, then all it shows is a hardheadedness. The way he has constantly explained this makes sense if you just take the time to understand how he has set up his military.

His nation is set up so differently than anything we have seen before, therefore, nothing in the RL can be used to quantify how his nation should be run. If you still have a problem, let's bring in a moderator and let him/her decide, otherwise, debate it out with ICCD.

hey, go over to the map thread and read his latest post, he has explained it all for you, if you still don't accept it, then all it shows is a hardheadedness. The way he has constantly explained this makes sense if you just take the time to understand how he has set up his military.

His nation is set up so differently than anything we have seen before, therefore, nothing in the RL can be used to quantify how his nation should be run. If you still have a problem, let's bring in a moderator and let him/her decide, otherwise, debate it out with ICCD.


I was justing giving an idea, i already Ignore ICCD's military and wont RP with him/her while he/she claims to have a military such as he does. that is my right on NS, im not bickering or anything, i stated what i thought then decided to Ignore ICCD's military numbers.

Anyway on a completely unrelated subject, ive got a few problems at home so i wont be on NS as much as i would like, dont worry i will be on NS and i say sorry now to anyone im RPing with, NN i will post the moment i can. Again im sorry that im sort of bogging down your RP, if you want you can decide to ignore all my posts, im not bothered if thats what you need to do to carry on. Tho i do have a few problems with your last post but i will address them acordingly in the right thread.

Yes, I saw what he wrote. 50% of your pop is huge godmode. Half of your pop is in the armed forces. His armed forces is three times my army and etc. My pop is 2.49+ billion and ICCD is 752+ million. I’m like ICCD, a lot of my people have joined my army and etc. But one big thing, people get old and people get killed. You can not have 80 year old men and dead people fighting in your army.50 year old men is pushing it. ICCD, your nation cannot be all 18-29 year olds. Because that would be godmode in itself.

If we were to remake it, who would get his old lands?

it would be cleared, no one would own it. Then we would slap on the rules so this cant happen again and someone with a low pop cant control more land then gods got lil green men.

What Corpsac say is what I was thinking. ICCD, you have to think about what you are going to do. Use 10% and stay or use 50% and go. Up to you.

tho we need to remake the thread anyway, so slap on rules you think we will all agree apon once that's done make the thread and away we go again to allow others to join.

PS

1is rule i think would be good would a cap on military
2nd rule i think would also be good is a Pop/Land cap, cos i feel also that ICCD has more land then he has people to put on it (but thats just cos i cheak ICCDs pop when this military thing came up, yes i would cheak each persons population and point you out too)

Sounds good, Corpsac.

Sounds good...

Speaking for Niall Noiglach, I vote Nay, he is not godmodding, he has explained how it is that he is able to mobilise such a large force, you simply chose to disregard it. As a PMT Nation, it is feasible for a nation to have such a large army. Look at Israel, their military is much more than 5%, include mechanization of your industries, and you no longer need as many people back home to watch over the factories. MAchines making machines.

Over 5, sure, but not fifty. They all have guns and know how to fight, but it doesn't mean that's their standing army.

here is one example and it is only partial

"he United States has the largest number of guns in private hands of any country in the world with 60 million people owning a combined arsenal of over 200 million firearms."

ICCD's school system teaches them how to use them. NOTE "PRIVATE HANDS" that is a gun for every one of my 200 million force and reserve right there.

Just because you can shoot a gun doesn't make you a soldier, and it certainly doesn't make you a peacekeeper. The Swiss and Israelis require everyone to have a gun; however, neither maintains armies nearly as large as yours in proportion to their populations.

just to clarify I have 15 million troops stationed in the Ramissle mainland. of this 15 million around 10 million rotate every month and a half.

for the second phase of the 'the catch & fall' which will be the new thread

sucks that beltway couldn't write out a compramise.. anyway on with the show....

Just because you can shoot a gun doesn't make you a soldier, and it certainly doesn't make you a peacekeeper. The Swiss and Israelis require everyone to have a gun; however, neither maintains armies nearly as large as yours in proportion to their populations.


Good for them, they are more self secure then ICCD is.

Note Irahtria has allot more troops and war and such then 'the real' world. So violence etc.. would be more common imo.

OK, think what you'd like however, my call if someone has a gun and knows how to shoot it and is in good health, they are dangerous.

Just my call. You give them surival training from their youth to adulthood, social and other learning, and release them into an area with bullets and a gun, they will be able to fight.

PEACEKEEPING IS FIGHTING THE STUPID. It is political psychological warfare, in some cases where both sides would rather not fight at their heads but their buts are full of it.

Since my soilders are trained to be police they can act as peacekeepers by default.

So, ICCD, are you role-playing with 10% of your pop or are you still using your 50% of your pop?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10913910&postcount=170 A link that Jenrak post in the other thread. You read it?

My society is still structured the same way so 70% is more accurate.

Well, bye then. 70% is a god mode, if they are all in your army.

The new Irathria thread = http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481502
It is a WIP thread.

Well, bye then. 70% is a god mode, if they are all in your army.
Nope they arn't all in my army. ICCD doesn't have an 'army'

It has Infantry Acadamy, Imperial Acadamy, Imperial Gaurd, Lictors, Command, and Political. This is made up of Navy/Army/Installations/Homeland security
Officer ranks (such as special forces, pilots and ship commanders)
and strategic command.

ICCD uses mixed forces.
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Well, 70% of your pop is in your armed forces then. Whatever. Stop posting, now!!!

I wont use the 'so those that didn't suffer massive brain damage line'.

By all means anyone that would like to continue in this role play reality' you can do so.


I propose just to clarify that no limits be placed on how we play our repective characters and countries.

Reason of course may be required, but isn't 100% required. Everything based on agreement of course.

No size limits on how much land you can 'claim'. No limits on your social structure etc.. etc..

Just hush, you are just making yourself look bad. 10% of your pop for your armed forces is a rule, unwritten rule but it is a rule. It is that way because it stops new players from using 50% of their pop for their armed forces.

Well, 70% of your pop is in your armed forces then. Whatever. Stop posting, now!!!


I think that you may have missed all the posts i wrote explaining that there is compulsary and mandatory security forces training. That due to it being a socialist state, the state can 'order' the public to act in a certain way under martial law, and that they have to defend the constitution.

70% of my pop works for the state. (although some are retired, they still have roles that they play in the communities, such as clerks etc..)

My fighting forces in what would be considered 'dedicated forces are the imperial gaurd who operate the heavy land based war equipment, do high profile site security and act as the Imperial Legion. The Imperial Acadamies are operated by the Empire but they are run on a provincial basis, after completion of the Imperial Acadamy individuals can work at 'imperial' government posts, not just 'provincial government posts' basically it is the difference between a bachelors degree and a masters or phd.

The lictors are more of a bodygaurd/intelligence role, but they also act as 'expensive equipment operators' and a secret police. They wield the most power as a group.

There are side shoots to emergency services, ESI (intelligence) which handles research and development etc.. and ESH (health services, doctors nurses etc..) it is easiest to get into those roles as imperial gaurd and generally aged based qualifications, they try to put off imperial gaurd that didn't advance off into es health as nurses when they reach their later 30's early 40's. meanwhile lictors can go into health or intelligence with relative ease when they age out, if for some reason they don't advance to command level or political.

The command level are the best and brightest what would be special forces, they see the most action all around. Most Dian activities not in a long term bogged down war will see the dian commando's or airforce. as this is where almost all special forces and pilots come from, although lictors are trained to fly they generally arn't trusted with ICCD's very expensive air force. These officers are also assigned to ship for both special forces operations and ship command.
Because ICCD has time on time off naval operations for their joint/army/navy in lower grades, by the time Dian officers reach command level they have some exposure to naval forces.

The Imperial Command level is generally reserved for 'aged out' officer with relatively good health and much experience and knowledge in their command post specialty. They rarely to high profile missions, such as WMD's or critical NS operations.

After this is political old soilders, they do more planning but occassional find themselves at foreign HQ's or in a fleet as commanding admiral.

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The thing that makes ICCD so militaristic is
The school system is state run and has 'surivival and craft training when school starts'
The Young Adult/Teen HRD education programs require cadet training including combat training.
To work for the provincial state (and it is a socialist state) you have to do conscript service, which includes education 'college like'
To work for the Imperial State (like the federal government) you have to complete the imperial acadamy. (get an MA/or PHD equiv)
Lictors get really good pensions.(but they are required to work for the state in 'starting up businesses etc.. spy like roles CIA field/KGB etc..)
To move into imperial command you get to have a vote in the casa militar, which starts to open up political options for the military wing and can speed up advance for people much faster then the tresury department or infrastructure etc. It is a gateway to the federal politics rather then being kept at provincia politics.

They get very good benifits at the upper levels, much presige, and imperial voice. To get to the poltical level opens up the potential for lordship etc..

In emergency situations it would not be uncommon for 40% of the population to be involve in insuring martial law is enacted properly. This would have heavy priority by the National gaurd.

During low level war it is usually just commando's
During close to home operations such as in ramissle the provincia forces could be used, this would not be reasonable for far away lands for long durataions longer then two or at tops three months in irathria and definately not out of irathria.

The Imperial Gaurd could see around 20 million active soilders in war and still maintain adequet operations in the homeland, however areas would be flagged off limits and operations consolidated. Long term war would cause a strain. Wars over 6 months to a year with heavy involvement over 10 million would cause a general insecurity internally for the empire.

Special forces could see around half their number deployed as the others are active in other more long term roles.

The poltical and administrative generally doesn't get involved in combat operations.

The Cadets are generally only used for last ditch defence or special operations that require youth.
The Infantry acadamy is relatively green and would not be used in active combat except in homeland defence or emergency situations. very close to home such as amazonia beast truitt or ramissle, or posibly niall noiglach for periods up to 2 months this would be a great disruption though.
The Imperial acadamy much the same asthe infantry acadamy but they use vehicles, and man air defence sites, etc.. however only for short periods of time a couple week rotations for exposure, sites are still managed by imperial gaurd, but have imperial acadamy officers to command for tasks and training.

After individuals complete the acadamies they either find themselves working for the government in other roles or in the Imperial Gaurd which is the core of the armed forces .. the imperial military. around 10% of the population, however of this 10% a group is assigned to other roles such as teaching in communities, acting as first reponders, forest rangers etc.. 'trusted state work' they train for both roles 'combat' and 'social function'. They move throughout the empire, and so this is where the ethnic mix usually presents itself from farlanders to palaoans to blood dians the islanders or others.

Each government department has site and community training sessions monthly and everyone is annually required to a 'refresher course that last two weeks. After this they have one week vacation. This means that every month one weekend is taken up for site and training and one weekend is taken up for locality training. Two weeks they go to camp or field and do physical and 'technology' upgrading and testing. If they fail, it usually means they have to go through 'basic training' again, which can be very embarising.

The actual new entrants to Infantry acadamy or Imperial acadamy is generally by age demographic.. i.e. by age groups. After they complete they leave the 'training' or program and go on to 'civilian' work. They are still in times of emergency usable. However they don't actually go to the sites etc.. anymore as they are assigned a 'civilian' job, that they put in a requests for, if there is an opening, they get it. Some stay in these groups a few extra years up to 8 or 9 years so they can advance the the Imperial Gaurd, get their grades high enough ect.. so from this group age between 19 and 24 year olds are most common, with some up to age 30. those older then 30 is rare. after they complete it they arn't on call, except in emergencies, like marital law in which they would take part in local and site security, community etc.. Those in active service however, may be obligated to take a larger role.

So of the 750 million pop approx 70% or 525 million have had or are in some type of security forces training. ranging from cadets to the emperor.

of this 525 million.
around 210 million are in a training program or have completed onei.e. conscripts of this around 30 million (approx would have to verify with age demographics) would currently be in the program at year 1 majority 2 or 3 minority(graduate 4 5 or doctorate 6 or post doc smaller portion)

52.5 million would be working for 'the imperial government. that is around 15% of the population work for the imperial goverment while arond 55% work for the state goverment with 30% of the pop retired or children.

of that 52.5 million around 30 million would be 'active military' with site security etc.. and the other 23 or so million doing non active service roles, education, accounting, perhaps business, factory managment, nursing etc..
So around 4% of the poplation would be 'active' combat military.

Around 30 million do intelligence, piloting, reasearch and development, science and technology, engineering (both social and scientific)etc.. of this group around 15 million would be available for helicopter piloting etc.. of this around 7 million could be counted on for foreign engagements.

The command which manage the society are at around 25 million of this aorund 5 million are active this number stays low due to age out, they move on to intelligence, national security, politcal ect.. or 'early retirement'. Of the 5 million around 1 million could be employed in foreign engagements.

The poltical or administrative class is much smaller these includes reasearch coordinators, social polticy coordinators, corporate execs, etc.. the royal family heads, imperial house heads.. etc.. they usually don't personally do fighting but are 'ceremonial' and to a lesser degree strategic commanders of the casa, although only praetors and legionaire commanders and a few select advisors of the emperor are in the Imperial casa militar.

All in all this ammounts to
70% of the population exposed to training and can be called on in emergencies numbers vary depending on the sevarity.
around 80 million if I added right are in 'the armed forces' (vaugely as it isn't really the same as it involves many other roles'

of that


30 million could be engaged in mid term military engagements a year or so without largely disrupting the internal structure, it would cause a greater level of insecurity though

so that would be 6% homeland defence including first responder roles
and
4% 'normal standing foreign fighthing forces'



Hopefully this clears up any misconception that I am godmoding instead it presents you with a vaugely realistic social structure that can in times of emergency have 40% of the population active in some security related role.
and up 70% exposed to military training.
Approximately 10% on duty ranging from secure sites to body gaurds to airforce to commanders and special forces.

of this 10%
6% being homeland defence
and
4% being 'expeditionary capable forces'

Hopefully transylvania and others can see that ICCD is not a godmode state, and actually would be meeting the requirements of your WIP version of irathria which I don't really plan on joining.

Note that ramissle(not including florintine ramissle) which ICCD has not annex is approximatly the size of the westcoast of the us. Large but not 'huge' ICCD is around the size of the east and midwest of the US, large but not huge.
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Can we not just be civil and play the game. This is so childish.

As for your pop land use.. why would you cap it.. other then to leverage your large pop OOC, which I find chince.

Large tracks of land go uninhabited. canada/russia while contries such as bengledesh have high popuation densities or india and china.. although their land masses are large.

I sense it more as 'power' for larger pop' countries which doesn't have any 'real' reason for being.

Of course in your WIP version whatever.

I'd recommend staying in this RP rather then dropping out of it for whatever reason.

If you don't like ICCD to have a lot of land then why not take some of it. Or have a summit or something.

You don't need to feel powerless and pull stunts to 'throw me out' for taking the oppourinity to grab more land.. that is what a good emporer would do.

The stuff is just sitting there.

To Beltway, I never stopped you from doing your breakup but I did bring in an element for you to rethink the ease of destabalizing a large part of irathria rather quickly. 'legitimately'.

A big bad war would happen and I think for largely OOC reasons. However if you think about it. Initially I invited you all to florininte, and NW ramissle.

When beltway got belted out of NB he said it never happened, note I didn't even force him out I left it open for him to write the result of the strike.

For Transylvania.. you said I'd like to play ramissle florintine, I said pick up the characters and play them, but I wasn't for restarting the thread I started and already wrote for I think it is reasonable but he could go back in the timeline. If he felt like it he could start his own thread. I think that was fair.

For Corpsac, I havn't interfered with any of your stuff. I think it is my presence of being a big scarry state that may be getting everyone worked up.

Sure I play myself as a scarry state because in one case my foreign trade was going to cut in half. in aother my closest ally was disinitigrating and a third my next door neighbour on three sides was disnitgrating into a civil war and anarchy. I think I've RPed appropriately and that in mind of the largeness of NSworld, there is nothing godmoding about what I've been doing.

ICCD operates 10 fleets and some task forces, it has a relatively large standing military and is a socialist state. we have MT and PMT technology. But are not doing anything unreasonably or unrealsitically especially for PMT. 99% of everything we use has already been made in some form or another and the PMT part is putting it together and mass production.

Some stuff I buy comes from other MT or PMT players. I don't buy FT technology, I am researching some though but no luck yet.
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I think it is fair you start your own alternate Irathria WIP, however, IMO you might as well stay as players in this Irathria because it has been that way for 2 or so months now.
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If you are leaving thouhg do you mind if I Napalm you a lot.

You don't need to feel powerless and pull stunts to 'throw me out' for taking the oppourinity to grab more land.. that is what a good emperor would do.

First thing, I’m not going to go and grab land. I have a enough land right now. Learn your bloody facts before you open your mouth.

For Transylvania.. you said I'd like to play Ramissle-Florintine, I said pick up the characters and play them, but I wasn't for restarting the thread I started and already wrote for I think it is reasonable but he could go back in the timeline. If he felt like it he could start his own thread. I think that was fair.

I’m recreating the fall of Ramissle and your thread is void.

I think it is fair you start your own alternate Irathria WIP, however, IMO you might as well stay as players in this Irathria because it has been that way for 2 or so months now.

I and the others can edit the first post of Ramissle’s thread. So that is why I repost the WIP Irathria thread.

If you are leaving though do you mind if I Napalm you a lot.

We are not leaving, we are recreating the thread. Bombing us will get a big fat ignore from us all.

At your 70%, it is still ignore because it is a godmode. Half of that armed forces would be 40 years old to 80 year old men and women. Don't you see it?

At your 70%, it is still ignore because it is a godmode. Half of that armed forces would be 40 years old to 80 year old men and women. Don't you see it?

FYI: 1/6 of a nation's military is combat troops. For every soldier on the front lines, 5 more are behind the lines in various jobs. Therefore, it is feasible to have 40-80 year old non-combatants in the military.

That does not matter. It is the fact that he has 70% of his nation that has military training.

That does not matter. It is the fact that he has 70% of his nation that has military training.

So? All that it means is that 70% of his nation has military training, not that he can send 70% of his population to the front lines. In my nation, The American Privateer, all citizens are in the military, as you can't be born a citizen of The American Privateer, you have to sign up. However, 95% also hold jobs in manufacturing, mining, education, etc., which help to keep us fairly independent of the USA. All in all though, only 20% are qualified as front line troops, with 5% doing nothing but serve.

See, I will go with what you have because of this However, 95% also hold jobs in manufacturing, mining, education, etc.. ICCD, never said that.

See, I will go with what you have because of this However, 95% also hold jobs in manufacturing, mining, education, etc.. ICCD, never said that.

Yes he did, he said that he had a 10% standing army, and that the rest spend about 5% of their lives keeping their millitary skills sharp. If you had read his arguments instead of just dismissing them, you would have caught it. His nation and The American Privateer are basically the same, in that they have a small standing Army, with others who spend most of their lives doing other jobs, but can be called up for service. In otherwords, a 10% pop standiong army, and a 60% pop National Guard.

He did, maybe I did not see it. But it is to late. He said all of that at the end, not at the start of everything. We never said his armed forces was 10% of his pop, he said it was 70% of his pop.

He did, maybe I did not see it. But it is to late. He said all of that at the end, not at the start of everything. We never said his armed forces was 10% of his pop, he said it was 70% of his pop.

Dude, the National Guard is part of the Armed Forces. That's why it's the Army National Guard, Marine National Guard, Air Force National Guard, naval National Guard, etc. They are the Reserve units for the front line military. He stated in the begining that they where not all standing army, and that most where reservists who spent most of their lives conducting buisness. You where just to hardheaded to see it.

Here is what started it all. He field 300 million soldiers in the fall of Ramissle thread. How he had it they were both combat soldiers and police soldiers.

'At your 70%, it is still ignore because it is a godmode. Half of that armed forces would be 40 years old to 80 year old men and women. Don't you see it?'

Yes i understand how some people would be older and if they were not command they would not be active, but they would still capable of some role, mostly clerical, also intelligence roles and nursing for those between 40 and 60, people are generally still cable of manual white an blue collar work up until 60 sometimes older. Of course people over 60 get to be questionable in good health they are still capable of instruction and training, as well as other acts, althouhg active combat would not be as reasonble due to bodily training. that is why 30% of the population accuonts for children and the aged(or rather the disabled).

I don't see why you are recreating the thread when you can add to what is already there.


If you'd like and I geuss you will for neatness sake you can start a third irathrian start page. I personally think you are tripping though and your comments are unfounded.

I think I've adequettely explained the structure of my society. I think that 10% of my population as active military and 30% being capable reserve is not unfounded and that up to 30% more in a national emergency could potentially serve some role and that in all 70% would be exposed to security force training.

True some would be aged but they still in their lives would have been exposed to it.. although the oldest over 60 ( would have been alive during the revoltionary period, and the training structure wouldn't have been exactly the same)

Anyway I already invited you to start a new thread.. I am more then intitled to keep my thread going though. It would be much easier if you just started writting in the one that is already there but obviously you disagree with something that happened? What is it?

note 200 million is just over 25% of my population 100 million less then 15%. Not to spark you but well within the range of martial law capacities. You won't support that but that is your issue. You havn't given me any reason why it isnt posible. It isn't god moding a couple nukes will be more then adquette to eradicate a light infantry source. 'This was an 'exceptional instance but with your ANTI=ME ness I don't so much agree to you playing ramissle florintine exclusively because you've blatantly fostered animosity towards me, and unfounded as far as I'm concerned. You are numbers ruling. Any adequette RPer in my opinion could have found a million ways to out play an opponent in greater numbers. The whole point of it was 'effect' and to scare out foreign nations. Start your thread but the same thing would happen ust after the presidents death regardless, so it is largely redundant to start the thread over. my geuss this time though your stalling has fostered international powers and my initial attacks will now be circumvented by 'knowing' what my plan of attack is.

Whatever start you new thread like I said, but much like I told ramissle when he annexed florinitine due to it the whole time being a puppet, I find what you have done here pathetic, and you are being completely irational. You are intitled to your opinion and rp of course so ON WITH THE SHOW.

This is it, ICCD, I will go with your 10% of your population as active military and I will go with your 30% being capable reserve. The rest will be ignore. The only reason to have that is if you land is invade. I will add you back in, if you keep 10% as your active military. This will be the last time I offer it.

OOC: Posted my IC colonization.

This is it, ICCD, I will go with your 10% of your population as active military and I will go with your 30% being capable reserve. The rest will be ignore. The only reason to have that is if you land is invade. I will add you back in, if you keep 10% as your active military. This will be the last time I offer it.

I'm not sure what to say, but the structure of the forces is based upon need and demogaphics. I have around 4% forces that will 'normally' engage in a foreign war.

The ramissle situtaion is 'exceptional' because he is right next to me with billions of people. ICCD called a national emergency and declared martial law.

We cut a deal with some of the syndicate, others didn't like that. So ICCD started doing special forces operations. We suffered relatively large SF casualties in taking out some of the kingpins, but some got away, insurgencies started.

Beltway originally landed amechanized army in New Barbary, so ICCD sent two fleets, and their subs got there cause they are faster then the surface ships and lauched a large torpedo attack to 'scare' beltway from the coast. They also launched a large conventional air attack to dislodge the mechanized division (beltway later retracted this)

ICCD tried to bribe off the syndicate with large payroll. Some were ok others wern't

ICCD also learned that some of the syndicate may have been behind the assasination.

ICCD tried to find out what officers were loyal to Ramissle and sent the ones that were corrupt or bribable to an island.

This caused issues in the ramissllian navy.

Cerenth is 'very leftist' and the current emperor also had a relationship with of a general who was in charge of the cerenth region. So ICCD cut a deal with him. Cerenth somewhat supports ICCD's presence so to the islands.

Meanwhile in New Barbary there is an underground resistance and officers ect.. have gone underground.

Florintine intself has gone back into chaos.
The west coast is blockade by dian missle frigates. With the ramissllian westcoast navy 'restationed at the northern Ramissalian island except for a few ships that 'are cooperating' with the Dian navy.

Trade between ICCD and ramissle is happening, as well as other IDF members, Niall, and Amazon beast, roman greece etc..

however, there is reluctance to non IDF members for poltical reasons and safety reasons.

By no means is ICCD going to be able to annex the west of ramissle any time soon. There is still potential for the breakup in the thread that is ongoing and civil war.. actually the civil war is sort of being made already between the island the west coast and cernth area. Meanwhile florintine may have other issues to deal with.

Start your thread or add to the one already going.


All is fair.

All ready started the fall of Ramissle. One that I know that will be ran right. Because I don’t want any of his land. I will add you back to the map in spot to the east of Ramissle only. Because that is a lot of land to control for you. Plus, it will be close to the action.

OOC: Posted my IC colonization.
Welcome to Irathria.

Dude, what you don't relize is, I ALREADY DID DEVELOPMENT.

I would be swearing at you right now.

It has been that way for over a month.

Just BACK OFF.

I'm not playing with you as the sole controller of Irathria and my land boundries are staying as is, unless some war takes them
AND '
I don't agree to you playing ramissle florintine because you already are playing Transylvania.

Just leave it alone. If you'd like to play characters play characters but leave my Nation alone.

All ready started the fall of Ramissle. One that I know that will be ran right. Because I don’t want any of his land. I will add you back to the map in spot to the east of Ramissle only. Because that is a lot of land to control for you. Plus, it will be close to the action.


could you maybe post the thread somewhere?

ICCD, I’m not the sole owner of Irathia. We are all leaders of Irathia. I gave you that much because I know you would want to get more land. Plus, you had to much land to control and it opens more land for new players to join. Look at the map on the new main thread. You see that island on your eastern coast, rping taking it.

Yes, I do role-play as Transylvania. But in this thread, I will not be role-playing as Transylvania. I will be pure Ramissle in that thread. I repeat, I will not be role-playing as Transylvania in that thread.

The link in the new main thread for Irathia. Which is on the first page of II.

JBird, Maybe I'm overreacting. I'd just like to ask you a few questions before continuing any future chats with you. 1. How old are you, you don't need to give me an exact age just under 12 , teen ager, 20+. and 2. Do you have any mental disabilities I should know about?

I just feel like I may be treating you improperly, so i thought I better ask.

I’m 21 year old, almost 22 on the 27th of this month of May. I have dyslexic, too. Just to tell you, I have ran something like this thread before. It was Earth TLE, which die because nobody RP anymore.

Call me JWolf.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481502 = There is the link to the new main thread

Just a little personal background:
For fairness sake you should know Ive been diagnosed a psychotic delusional skitzophernic, and by another psychiatrist schizotypal / shizotypical.

It is really lifestyle beleif issues though, and being the subject of torture and a framed court case.

I might say I went insane while doing personal research on AI, I hit S/R and afterwords developed a deep sense of faith. I love nature and spend my time learning about science and technology mostly. I also have interest in history and philosophy. I'm slowly progressing towards studies perhaps in anthropology or prehistory studies. Ancient cultures etc..

I type slopily because i have a laptop with flat keys and I have long nails. I also don't proof check, and there always seems to be spelling errors, hence man edits for typos. I admit I'm a sloppy typer and have bad grammar use quite often.

Well, thanks for the info. Now, I see why we were clashing at each other.

p.s. I'm also apparently said to be criminally responsible atleast in the instance they allege 'I threated to kill the psychiatrist who diagonosed me as a psychotic delusional skitzophernic' those charges were withdrawn. I really am not criminally insane, I'm a generally all round good peace loving individual.

Well, can we stop using this thread. You can post in the new main thread. If anybody gives you crap about, I will deal with them.

Hi transylvania are you continueing in this irathria?

As i will be.

I don't support you handing over palamos which I have an active rp going on in.. nor the erasure of farland or my islands. u -


I am continuing in this one. Regardless of whether any of the other original players due, because you are being an a$$ in regards to my participation.

I think that you may have missed all the posts i wrote explaining that there is compulsary and mandatory security forces training. That due to it being a socialist state, the state can 'order' the public to act in a certain way under martial law, and that they have to defend the constitution.

70% of my pop works for the state. (although some are retired, they still have roles that they play in the communities, such as clerks etc..)

My fighting forces in what would be considered 'dedicated forces are the imperial gaurd who operate the heavy land based war equipment, do high profile site security and act as the Imperial Legion. The Imperial Acadamies are operated by the Empire but they are run on a provincial basis, after completion of the Imperial Acadamy individuals can work at 'imperial' government posts, not just 'provincial government posts' basically it is the difference between a bachelors degree and a masters or phd.

The lictors are more of a bodygaurd/intelligence role, but they also act as 'expensive equipment operators' and a secret police. They wield the most power as a group.

There are side shoots to emergency services, ESI (intelligence) which handles research and development etc.. and ESH (health services, doctors nurses etc..) it is easiest to get into those roles as imperial gaurd and generally aged based qualifications, they try to put off imperial gaurd that didn't advance off into es health as nurses when they reach their later 30's early 40's. meanwhile lictors can go into health or intelligence with relative ease when they age out, if for some reason they don't advance to command level or political.

The command level are the best and brightest what would be special forces, they see the most action all around. Most Dian activities not in a long term bogged down war will see the dian commando's or airforce. as this is where almost all special forces and pilots come from, although lictors are trained to fly they generally arn't trusted with ICCD's very expensive air force. These officers are also assigned to ship for both special forces operations and ship command.
Because ICCD has time on time off naval operations for their joint/army/navy in lower grades, by the time Dian officers reach command level they have some exposure to naval forces.

The Imperial Command level is generally reserved for 'aged out' officer with relatively good health and much experience and knowledge in their command post specialty. They rarely to high profile missions, such as WMD's or critical NS operations.

After this is political old soilders, they do more planning but occassional find themselves at foreign HQ's or in a fleet as commanding admiral.

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The thing that makes ICCD so militaristic is
The school system is state run and has 'surivival and craft training when school starts'
The Young Adult/Teen HRD education programs require cadet training including combat training.
To work for the provincial state (and it is a socialist state) you have to do conscript service, which includes education 'college like'
To work for the Imperial State (like the federal government) you have to complete the imperial acadamy. (get an MA/or PHD equiv)
Lictors get really good pensions.(but they are required to work for the state in 'starting up businesses etc.. spy like roles CIA field/KGB etc..)
To move into imperial command you get to have a vote in the casa militar, which starts to open up political options for the military wing and can speed up advance for people much faster then the tresury department or infrastructure etc. It is a gateway to the federal politics rather then being kept at provincia politics.

They get very good benifits at the upper levels, much presige, and imperial voice. To get to the poltical level opens up the potential for lordship etc..

In emergency situations it would not be uncommon for 40% of the population to be involve in insuring martial law is enacted properly. This would have heavy priority by the National gaurd.

During low level war it is usually just commando's
During close to home operations such as in ramissle the provincia forces could be used, this would not be reasonable for far away lands for long durataions longer then two or at tops three months in irathria and definately not out of irathria.

The Imperial Gaurd could see around 20 million active soilders in war and still maintain adequet operations in the homeland, however areas would be flagged off limits and operations consolidated. Long term war would cause a strain. Wars over 6 months to a year with heavy involvement over 10 million would cause a general insecurity internally for the empire.

Special forces could see around half their number deployed as the others are active in other more long term roles.

The poltical and administrative generally doesn't get involved in combat operations.

The Cadets are generally only used for last ditch defence or special operations that require youth.
The Infantry acadamy is relatively green and would not be used in active combat except in homeland defence or emergency situations. very close to home such as amazonia beast truitt or ramissle, or posibly niall noiglach for periods up to 2 months this would be a great disruption though.
The Imperial acadamy much the same asthe infantry acadamy but they use vehicles, and man air defence sites, etc.. however only for short periods of time a couple week rotations for exposure, sites are still managed by imperial gaurd, but have imperial acadamy officers to command for tasks and training.

After individuals complete the acadamies they either find themselves working for the government in other roles or in the Imperial Gaurd which is the core of the armed forces .. the imperial military. around 10% of the population, however of this 10% a group is assigned to other roles such as teaching in communities, acting as first reponders, forest rangers etc.. 'trusted state work' they train for both roles 'combat' and 'social function'. They move throughout the empire, and so this is where the ethnic mix usually presents itself from farlanders to palaoans to blood dians the islanders or others.

Each government department has site and community training sessions monthly and everyone is annually required to a 'refresher course that last two weeks. After this they have one week vacation. This means that every month one weekend is taken up for site and training and one weekend is taken up for locality training. Two weeks they go to camp or field and do physical and 'technology' upgrading and testing. If they fail, it usually means they have to go through 'basic training' again, which can be very embarising.

The actual new entrants to Infantry acadamy or Imperial acadamy is generally by age demographic.. i.e. by age groups. After they complete they leave the 'training' or program and go on to 'civilian' work. They are still in times of emergency usable. However they don't actually go to the sites etc.. anymore as they are assigned a 'civilian' job, that they put in a requests for, if there is an opening, they get it. Some stay in these groups a few extra years up to 8 or 9 years so they can advance the the Imperial Gaurd, get their grades high enough ect.. so from this group age between 19 and 24 year olds are most common, with some up to age 30. those older then 30 is rare. after they complete it they arn't on call, except in emergencies, like marital law in which they would take part in local and site security, community etc.. Those in active service however, may be obligated to take a larger role.

So of the 750 million pop approx 70% or 525 million have had or are in some type of security forces training. ranging from cadets to the emperor.

of this 525 million.
around 210 million are in a training program or have completed onei.e. conscripts of this around 30 million (approx would have to verify with age demographics) would currently be in the program at year 1 majority 2 or 3 minority(graduate 4 5 or doctorate 6 or post doc smaller portion)

52.5 million would be working for 'the imperial government. that is around 15% of the population work for the imperial goverment while arond 55% work for the state goverment with 30% of the pop retired or children.

of that 52.5 million around 30 million would be 'active military' with site security etc.. and the other 23 or so million doing non active service roles, education, accounting, perhaps business, factory managment, nursing etc..
So around 4% of the poplation would be 'active' combat military.

Around 30 million do intelligence, piloting, reasearch and development, science and technology, engineering (both social and scientific)etc.. of this group around 15 million would be available for helicopter piloting etc.. of this around 7 million could be counted on for foreign engagements.

The command which manage the society are at around 25 million of this aorund 5 million are active this number stays low due to age out, they move on to intelligence, national security, politcal ect.. or 'early retirement'. Of the 5 million around 1 million could be employed in foreign engagements.

The poltical or administrative class is much smaller these includes reasearch coordinators, social polticy coordinators, corporate execs, etc.. the royal family heads, imperial house heads.. etc.. they usually don't personally do fighting but are 'ceremonial' and to a lesser degree strategic commanders of the casa, although only praetors and legionaire commanders and a few select advisors of the emperor are in the Imperial casa militar.

All in all this ammounts to
70% of the population exposed to training and can be called on in emergencies numbers vary depending on the sevarity.
around 80 million if I added right are in 'the armed forces' (vaugely as it isn't really the same as it involves many other roles'

of that


30 million could be engaged in mid term military engagements a year or so without largely disrupting the internal structure, it would cause a greater level of insecurity though

so that would be 6% homeland defence including first responder roles
and
4% 'normal standing foreign fighthing forces'



Hopefully this clears up any misconception that I am godmoding instead it presents you with a vaugely realistic social structure that can in times of emergency have 40% of the population active in some security related role.
and up 70% exposed to military training.
Approximately 10% on duty ranging from secure sites to body gaurds to airforce to commanders and special forces.

of this 10%
6% being homeland defence
and
4% being 'expeditionary capable forces'

Hopefully transylvania and others can see that ICCD is not a godmode state, and actually would be meeting the requirements of your WIP version of irathria which I don't really plan on joining.

Note that ramissle(not including florintine ramissle) which ICCD has not annex is approximatly the size of the westcoast of the us. Large but not 'huge' ICCD is around the size of the east and midwest of the US, large but not huge.
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Can we not just be civil and play the game. This is so childish.
OOC: Holy shit, that's my nation... Well it's wet dream at least since you have a shit load more people than I do the infrastructure is more stable. Though mine is almost exactly the same though every single member of this Society has to Military Education school; is conscipted into a reserve of thier choice at the age of 16 where they continue education in that area; and when they get a job and become of the age of 18 they get yearly rifle tests or they take 'Marksmanship' class all over again. They get 3 tries; every 10th person is taught to operate a armored vehicle, such as an MBT, and every other 10th person is taught to fly a UH-60 or OH-10A Sioux.

Well, one thing on the 70% population military, in a way to comform to Trans and to ICCD: Maybe he can have 70% of his pop in the military, but still really only 10% would be up to military par, the rest not being as good, more like citizen-soldiers who serve as armed bodies.

Well, one thing on the 70% population military, in a way to comform to Trans and to ICCD: Maybe he can have 70% of his pop in the military, but still really only 10% would be up to military par, the rest not being as good, more like citizen-soldiers who serve as armed bodies.OOC: Yeppers, I know that. I saw the about 7 pages of arguing over it... =P Though 20% of those 70% are really Home-land defence so all they do is work unless Martial Law is instated; then everbody grabs a gun; guards thier home and goes to work with thier gun and grenades. If the shit hits the fan Armed Citizens are on the Derka Derka's who did it like fat kids on pudding.

Hi transylvania are you continueing in this irathria?

As i will be.

I don't support you handing over palamos which I have an active rp going on in.. nor the erasure of farland or my islands. u -


I am continuing in this one. Regardless of whether any of the other original players due, because you are being an a$$ in regards to my participation.

We can’t edit anything in this thread. Really, you should have not had all of that land. Thanks for the flame.

At the others: I would have been fine with it, if he had them in his nation but he didn’t do it. He send them a lot of them over into Ramissle. And started role-playing unfairly. The reason it was unfair is this…ICCD wants Ramissle’s land. So, him role-playing as Ramissle makes it easy to god mode getting the land. All he have to do is do what he was doing.

Is it really true that ICCD fielded 300 million soldiers? I guess I'm just too lazy to verify this on my own.

Yes, it is. Fielded 200 million that entered Ramissle and had 100 million ready to back of the others.

Well, I support your decision to kick him out then. There's no way he could do that with his population. His economy would be nigh on nonexistant, and his soldiers would be armed with clubs and large rocks...

Thank you. Thanks for your support. And sorry about your flagship in Jenrak’s thread. LOL

Thank you. Thanks for your support. And sorry about your flagship in Jenrak’s thread. LOL

It's just a carrier, I have more where that came from. It's nuclear reactors are about to be self destructed, once Jenrak posts again... But that's off topic.

I know it is off topic. LOL. I want the mods to close this thread but they can’t because I’m not the owner. Ramissle needs to ask for it to be locked.

Is... Ramissle still around? I thought he left.

He did. How about nobody posts on this thread anymore and maybe ICCD will not, too.

Yeah...

Hey, Jenrak hasn't posted on our war for about 2 days.

doo dee doo...

I don't think ICCD will ever give up. On the basis of freeform roleplay, I guess.

We can’t edit anything in this thread. Really, you should have not had all of that land. Thanks for the flame.
Wether you or anyone else cares, I claimed that land fair and sqaure and have been devloping and rping with it for over a month.

I still have that land and you have no bloody right to erase two of my provinces both active in RP and sink my island chain.

Not only this but you 'gave' palamos to another person. It isn't doable.

Get off it. That person can't be in this irathria in that spot, so the two arn't compatible, either they need to be somewhere else or it won't be in the common timeline because RP is and has happened. DO YOU NOT GET IT.

I find it hard to beleive that after x number of posts you still can't understand that.

The map that is seen as current by me is the last one I supplied as no other players have supplied an alternate that is 'in line with keeping people land boundries intact.. and landmasses existant, unless there are alternates with in game reasons why it is not that way...

if someone disagrees with a zone say. it is that simple but there is no way in hell you can legitamize from nowhere erasing the islands , and suddently ICCD not having farland or palamos as provincia's because it doesn't work with the game dynamic. It is simply a way of tracking zones of interest in the game easily.

also as far as ramisles topography change a couple days before he left especial around the ICCD amazonian beast that at that time me and a.b. both agreed we could alter atleast on the dian side back to the way it was before the extremely rude and uncunsulted topography change.

Trans just so you know, I'm not playing with you or anyone else that feels they can erase my provinces and hand them to other people OOC, because that is just plain stupid.

The difference with ramissle and florintine is that we are vaugely agreeing to our intended actions.. we dont' control those territories that is why they are in part, a differnt colour.

So just so you know your 'second ' irathria is not compatible with the original.

If you don't like that fine, you can go to war or rp other characters or whatever. however just erasing territories isn't good imo. How would you like if I erased wolf Island or gave it to someone else?

At the others: I would have been fine with it, if he had them in his nation but he didn’t do it. He send them a lot of them over into Ramissle. And started role-playing unfairly. The reason it was unfair is this…ICCD wants Ramissle’s land. So, him role-playing as Ramissle makes it easy to god mode getting the land. All he have to do is do what he was doing.
First off Im not a 'wanton person' second of all how did I roleplay unfairly. I sent a bunch over the border within my current martial law limits for effect, then changed the stationing to around 15 million which is well within my regular force limits. Dude you are deluded, and I am the one who is suppose to be insane. Shut up already cause you are talking complete bs.

He did. How about nobody posts on this thread anymore and maybe ICCD will not, too.


Dude if you arnt interested in the thread stop posting instead of killing it.

OOC: Yeppers, I know that. I saw the about 7 pages of arguing over it... =P Though 20% of those 70% are really Home-land defence so all they do is work unless Martial Law is instated; then everbody grabs a gun; guards thier home and goes to work with thier gun and grenades. If the shit hits the fan Armed Citizens are on the Derka Derka's who did it like fat kids on pudding.
Hey, sparta if your interested you can have the area on the map marked transylvania.


It's called wolfe island .. but you can rename it.. you get the small island chain attached you can just say you convinced the local population that the water was breathable or something...


I don't think he actually did anything ingame as to effect the written time line or RP's ... I could be mistaken though

We could all just have a big war over it.

If the argument wasn't over ICCDs godmoding...

That would be an idea but you'd have to get off my island before we start.

That would be an idea but you'd have to get off my island before we start.

I could do that...

just make an island nearby or somewhere else using the original maps.

make your own topo resources features et....

and post it up here if you can.. just written infomation is fine, then I or someone else can attempt to add it to the maps when we have time.

So just so you know your 'second ' Irathria is not compatible with the original.

This is thread is VOID! The other thread, the one I make so we could edit thr first post, is the ORIGINAL IRATHRIA.

First off Im not a 'wanton person' second of all how did I roleplay unfairly. I sent a bunch over the border within my current martial law limits for effect, then changed the stationing to around 15 million which is well within my regular force limits. Dude you are deluded, and I am the one who is suppose to be insane. Shut up already cause you are talking complete bs.

Nope, you are the one talking the bullshit around here. With your 200 million men army moving into Ramissle and declaring martial law because you think you are all high and mighty. That act would have united the most of the Ramissle or all of the Ramissle against you.

Dude if you arnt interested in the thread stop posting instead of killing it.

It needs to be killed, ICCD.

Hey, sparta if your interested you can have the area on the map marked Transylvania.

It's called wolfe island .. but you can rename it.. you get the small island chain attached you can just say you convinced the local population that the water was breathable or something…

Really this Irathria is VOID. Everybody else, well a good bunch of them, are using my thread as Irathria. So, if you want to use this thread and Irathria, nobody would see it as official Irathria. This will be the unofficial Irathria.

I don't think he actually did anything ingame as to effect the written time line or RP's ... I could be mistaken though

I did do something like a timeline, when Irathria first came out. I told who first lands on the island and why it is name Wolfe Island. Most of the time, I stay of everybody’s thread because to me. There was no reason why the Dominion would be in any of those RPs.

By the power of grey skull would you already just shut up about declaring threads void already dude. Just because you arn't interested with continuing play in the original Irathria doesn't mean others (arn't) so would you just stop posting saying threads are void that don't have anything to do with you anymore.

Dude see it as you'd like but would you stop badgering this thread and use your irathria thread.

So frankly just leave this thread alone if you arn't going to take part in this Irathria.

Have you seen me in your thread saying it is void, no. No just leave already if you arn't going to play.


Otherwise perhaps I should see if the mods are at all concerned with blatant disruption and ignorance. Although I'd rather not waste my time doing so but you are being nothing but annoying.

Just a little warning, ICCD, I TMed Ramissle about what you are doing. About the godmodding and everything. And I asked him to close this thread and the others.

I know your reason for not wanting to rp in the real Irathria. You can’t follow rules, right?

No,
First off this is the real and original irathria

second, I'm not joining yours because you hacked off 3/4th of my territories already involved in other threads and Roleplays... and ONLY mine.

You obviously are doing nothing more then trying to antagonizing me.

Also your pop/land rule is stupid and has no real validity in reality.
also any caps on social structures or forcing others to play a certain way I don't agree to.

also you agreed I wasnt god moding so what is your freaken issue? all you are doing is being disrupting and ruining a perfectly good RP.

I don't like you. That is why I'm not joining your RP.

Sorry to burst everything for you, this Irathria is the same Irathria that I reposted. I redid map to make it look better IMO. I make the seas like better, made them look like larger ships could pass them. And when I did it, you were not part of Irathria.

About the pop/land rule, it is not stupid as you call it. The reason for that rule is this, a five million pop nation can’t rule over land the size of the Texas.

I never agreed that you were not godmodding. Don’t say things that I never said. 70% armed forces is a godmode. You sending 200 million soldiers into Ramissle and the whole country not uniting to kick your soldiers is a god mode. Your fall of Ramissle thread is unfair because you are RPing as yourself and Ramisssle. AN one side RP IMO.

Trans, see the issue is I could have a more invigorating RP with my dog, or 1 year old nephew then with you.

I disagree with your map. Because you sunk a developed island chain, gave one of my provinces to someone else and removed another province (actually two provinces from being controlled by me.

It was already agreed that the water around the islands were able to manage large ships. (me and ramissle discussed that previously.


Wether you know it or not at one time the whole of the planet never had five million pop. the spanish took over mexico with like 1000 people. anyway dude From history and rational 1 person can control a large ammount of land. Honestly no people could control a lot of land via robotics or enforcing a mobile border patrol etc..


Dude I never once had 200 million peope in ramissle I mobilized 200 under martial law and moved in 100 million. later 30 million more were sent into barbary... soon after the forces were reduced to 15 million.

You are not understanding what I am writting, we can't communicate, that is part of the issue. Either you have 20 IQ or your dyslecsia is impairing you or you are just being annoying to destabalize the situation. in all of the above it makes it very difficult for us to RP together because you don't understand me, is how I understand you.

I talked to ramissle about his country and he said it would be potentially posible to pay off the syndicate.

Also I RPed a civil war... I don't control Ramissle; however, for a while I have had an alliance with cerenth.. while NB is in an insurgency stage.

JUST SHUT UP!!!

Stop trying to make me look bad, you are the flaming. I’m reporting every, I repeat, every flame you say to me. I’m tried of your crap.