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Japan 21C (Closed)

Clan Smoke Jaguar
07-03-2006, 04:34
Stats as of 2005 / 2012 est

Nation: Japan
Army: Japanese Ground Self Defense Force
Air Force: Japanese Air Self Defense Force
Navy: Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force
Population: 127.417 million / 127.864 million
GDP: $4.955 trillion / $5.731 trillion
GDP Per Capita: $36,285.57 / $44,821.06
Active Military: 238,300 / 325,000
Portion of Population: 0.187% / 0.254%
Military Spending: $45.841 billion / $80.234 billion
Portion of GDP: 0.99% / 1.4%
Head of Government: Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi / Prime Minister Shinzo Abe
Incumbent Party: Liberal Democratic Party (Conservative)



All military figures are for current 21C Year
Ground Self Defense Force:

Personnel:
175,000 active (200,000 by 2015)

Tanks:
640 Type 90
310 Type 74 (+550 in storage)

Recon
180 Type 87 RC
290 Type 82 CC

APC/IFVs
300 Type 89 IFV
500 Type 96 APC
240 Type 73 APC

Artillery:
90 M110A2 203mm SP
340 Type 99 155mm SP
60 Type 75 155mm SP (+140 in storage)
480 FH70 155mm towed
201 227mm MLRS
60 Type 75 130mm MRL
600 120mm mortar
720 81mm mortar

Antitank:
200 Type 96 ATGM
500 Type 87 ATGM
250 Type 79 ATGM
150 Type 64 ATGM

Antiaircraft:
270 Type 87 35mm SPAAG
30 35mm towed AAG
150 Chu-SAM
50 I-Hawk SAM (+150 in storage)
320 Stinger SAM
150 Type 93 SAM
250 Type 91 SAM
70 Type 81 SAM

Helicopters:
88 AH-64D
40 Ka-50-2 (60 more delivered by 2015)
220 OH-1
55 UH-60J
200 UH-1J
44 CH-47J



Air Self Defense Force:
Personnel: 75,000 active (100,000 by 2015)

Combat:
41 F/A-22A (250 planned, 2012-2019)
202 F-15J
152 F-2 (48 more planned)
0 F-35A (up to 200 planned, 2020-2027)
0 F-4EJ Kai (102 in storage)

Recon/Surveillance:
5 E-767 (7 more planned, 2012-2017)
10 E-2C Hawkeye 2000 (to be upgraded to "D" standard)
5 E-2D Hawkeye (20 more planned, including 10 new-build, 2012-2017)
0 RF-4EJ Kai (27 in storage)

Cargo:
5 C-17A (13 more planned, 2012-2015)
6 C-130J (24 planned, including 16 new-build, 2012-2015)
4 C-130J-30 (20 more planned, 2012-2015)
12 C-1 (8 in storage, rest to be retired)
8 C-130H (to be upgraded to "J" standard)
10 YS-11E (to be retired)
11 MU-2
20 U-125

Helicopter:
56 UH-60J
24 CH-47J

Training
14 T-1A
50 T-2
50 T-3
200 T-4
15 T-400
15 T-33

Air Defense
Patriot PAC-2: 32 batteries
Patriot PAC-3: 200 missiles



Maritime Self Defense Force:

Personnel:
75,000 active (100,000 by 2015)

Submarines:
0 Okishio SS (3800 tons submerged) 12 planned 2015-2025
15 Oyashio SS (3600 tons submerged)
6 Harushio SS (3200 tons submerged) 2 relegated to training duties

Major Surface Combatants:
2 Ise DDH (~20,000 tons) 2 more planned by 2015
2 Yamashiro DDG (~10,000 tons) 8 more planned by 2020
8 Kongo DDG (9485 tons) 2 more planned by 2014
2 Shirane DDH (6800 tons) to be retired by 2015
2 Hatakaze DDG (5600 tons) to be retired by 2015
1 Tachikaze DDG (4800 tons)
8 Takanami DD (5300 tons)
9 Murasame FF (5200 tons)
8 Asagiri FF (4300 tons)
12 Hatsuyuki FF (3800 tons)
6 Abukuma ASW FF (2500 tons)

Minor Surface Combatants:
2 Yubari FF (1760 tons)
1 Ishikari FF (1450 tons)
19 Hayabusa Missile Boat (200 tons)
6 PG 1-Go Missile Boat (50 tons)

Mine Warfare:
2 Uraga MST (8400 tons)
3 Yaeyama MSO (1150 tons)
12 Sugashima MSC (620 tons)
9 Uwajima MSC (590 tons)
5 Hatsushima MSC (536 tons)
2 Hatsushima MDC (536 tons)
3 Hatsushima MDT (536 tons)
1 Takami MDT (510 tons)

Amphibious:
3 Osumi LSD (14,700 tons)
2 Yura LSU (590 tons)
2 LCU
8 LCAC

Auxiliaries:
3 Towanda MPRS (15,850 tons)
2 Mashu MPRS (13,500 tons)
1 Chibaya Sub Rescue Ship (6200 tons)
1 Chiyoda Sub Rescue Ship (4450 tons)
1 Kashima Training Ship (4060 tons)
1 Hatsuyuki Training Ship (3800 tons)
1 Minegumo Training Ship (2750 tons)
1 Yamagumo Training Ship (2700 tons)
2 Harushio Training Submarine (3200 tons)
1 Tenry Training Ship (3500 tons – operates target drones)
1 Kurobe Training Ship (3200 tons – operates target drones)
6 Oceanographic Ship
1 Icebreaker
4 Cable Service Ship
3 Ocean Surveillance Ship
3 Support Craft

Aircraft:
0 P-8A MMA (112 planned 2013-2020)
97 P-3C (to be retired)
85 SH-60J (to be upgraded to SH-60K standard)
116 SH-60K
26 MCH-101 (EH-101 MCM)



ORDER OF BATTLE
Note: Mechanized Divisions generally have about 9000 personnel, while Infantry Divisions have 7000. Independent brigades have 3000-4000.

Northern Army:
Headquartered in the city of Sapporo, on the northern main island of Hokkaido, this was the vanguard of any defense against a Soviet invasion, which was expected to come from the Soviet-occupied Kurile Islands that lie just off the northeast coast of Sapporo. As such, it is the single largest command, with about 40% of Japan’s total ground combat capability contained within (consider that the 7th is the only armored division in the GSDF, and the first to be fully equipped with Type 90 tanks). The command’s four divisions are stationed around the island of Hokkaido, and include the following:
-7th Armored Division (headquartered at Higashi-Chitose)
-2nd Mechanized Infantry Division (headquartered at Asahikawa)
-11th Mechanized Infantry Division (headquartered at Makomania)
-5th Infantry Division (headquartered at Obihiro)
-1st Artillery Brigade (headquartered at Kita-Chitose)
-1st Antiaircraft Artillery Brigade (headquartered at Higashi-Chitose)
-1st Tank Group (headquartered at Kita-Eniwa)
-3rd Engineer Brigade (headquartered at Minami-Eniwa)

Northeastern Army
This command is headquartered in Sendai on the main island of Honshu, which lies about halfway between the northern tip of the island and Tokyo. The command encompasses most of the northern part of the Island. In the advent of an invasion that could not be contained in Hokkaido, this force would be holding the main route to Tokyo, and would also protect the area against smaller-scale operations such as airborne strikes. However, the area isn’t as strategically important and is not as heavily populated as the southern half of the island, so this command includes only two divisions, including the following:
-6th Mechanized Infantry Division (headquartered at Jimmachi)
-9th Infantry Division (headquartered at Aomori)
-2nd Artillery Group (headquartered at Sendai)
-5th Antiaircraft Artillery Group (headquartered at Hachinohe)
-2nd Engineer Brigade (headquartered at Funaoka)

Eastern Army
This is the central force, and is headquartered in Ichikawa, and is responsible for the area around Tokyo. However, it’s more of a central reserve, consisting of several brigades but only one division, including the following:
-1st Infantry Division (headquartered at Nerima)
-12th Infantry Brigade (headquartered at Somagahara)
-2nd Antiaircraft Artillery Brigade (headquartered at Matsudo)
-1st Engineer Brigade (headquartered at Asaka)
-1st Training Brigade (Takeyama)

Central Army
This command covers the area from Nagoya all the way through the western tip of Honshu, as well as the island of Shikoku, and covers many of the nation’s biggest cities, including Nagoya, Kobe, Kyoto, Hiroshima, and Osaka. The actual headquarters is in the city of Itami, and with two divisions and two independent brigades, this is the largest command beyond the all-important Northern Army. It includes the following:
-3rd Mechanized Infantry Division (headquartered at Itami)
-10th Infantry Division (headquartered at Moriyama)
-13th Infantry Brigade (headquartered at Kaitaichi)
-2nd Mixed Group (a combined infantry & armor brigade, headquartered at Zentsuji)
-8th Antiaircraft Artillery Brigade (headquartered at Aonogahara)
-4th Engineer Brigade (headquartered at Okubo)
-2nd Training Brigade (headquartered at Otsu)

Western Army
The final command is responsible for the island of Kyushu, as well as Okinawa, and is headquartered in Kengun. It consists of two divisions and one combat brigade, including the following:
-4th Mechanized Infantry Division (headquartered at Fukuoka)
-8th Infantry Division (headquartered at Kumamoto)
-1st Mixed Group (headquartered at Naha, on Okinawa)
-2nd Antiaircraft Artillery Brigade (headquartered at Iizuka)
-3rd Artillery Group (headquartered at Yufuin)
-5th Engineer Brigade (headquartered at Ogori)
-3rd Training Brigade (headquartered at Ainoura)
Clan Smoke Jaguar
07-03-2006, 05:11
CNN

In Indonesia, the massive wave of violence caused by increasingly well armed insurgents has reached the point where the government forces can no longer control the situtation. Armed uprisings and ethnic conflicts in the provinces of Aceh, North Maluku, Maluku, and West Irian Jaya, along with multiprovincial conflicts on the islands of Borneo and Java have left the Indonesian military sorely overextended and unable to cope with the situation. With disputes with most neighbors, and Australia otherwise engaged, a desparate request to the international community for aid was sent. The call was answered by a very unlikely source. Though not without protest from numerous nations, the nation of Japan has, with the invitation of the Indonesian government, dispatched elements of the 1st Infantry Division to assist in controlling the situation on Borneo. This will mark the first deployment of Japanese combat units beyond the nation's own borders since the Second World War, and is expected to meet with a great deal of opposition, particularly from other Asian governments.
However, Japanese prime minister has assured the international community that this is a peacekeeping mission, and that the conflict being administered is one of ethnic nature, with the ethnic Dayak insurgency striking against Madurese immigrants more than the Indonesian government itself. He also assured the world that the Japanses Ground Self Defense Force is a professional army and is well versed in the proper treatment of civilians.
Malaysia, while cautious about the presence of Japanese troops, has nonetheless supported this deployment, citing that if not checked, this violence could cross over the border.
Geneticon
07-03-2006, 15:38
Secret IC to Japan...
From Israel

"Please pay close attention to this message (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471911), and please reply there. Thank you."
Clan Smoke Jaguar
07-03-2006, 23:20
After several weeks of operating in Borneo, the Japanese 1st Infantry Division has done what all experts consider to be a spectacular job, and has not only made great strides in quelling the fighting in the region, but has participated in no less than three human relief and disaster assistance operations, saving the lives of over 3000 civilians by providing access to food and medical care and rescuing individuals who were stranded in by the massive floods brought by a pair of typhoons that struck over the last two weeks. However, while the Japanese peacekeeping effort in Borneo has proven to be surprisingly successful, Indonesia is not faring so well in Java and Aceh, and has requested further Japanese assistance in quelling the fighting here. The remainder of the 1st Infantry Division, as well as two independant brigades, have been sent in accordance with this request. Though not directly related to the conflic, Japan has also deployed a unit of E-2C Hawkeye aircraft to the region, and will combine with a naval task force to montior traffic through several key areas and intercept vessels involved with piracy, drug trafficking, and smuggling. It is suspected that this measure is being taken in part to appease nations such as the United States and Australia, and to a lesser extent, those of Europe and the rest of Southeast Asia, who have all suffered a great deal from these activities.
It has been reported that several additional Southeast Asian nations may also be considering requesting Japanese aid in dealing with internal conflicts depending on the outcome of this endeaver.


In related news, the government of Japan has released information today regarding an update of a previous 5-year, $200 billion program to modernize and restructure the military. In light of increasing tensions and the expanding role of the Japanese Self Defense Forces, a further 5 years and $275 billion has been added to the program in order to further modernize and expand the Japanese Self Defense Forces in order to allow them to fill their assigned tasks.

It has beceme clear that a large portion of the spending is going into imrproving logistics and infrastructure to allow Japan to fill its growing role as a peacekeeper and promoter of regional stability, though quite a bit is going into purchasing significant amounts of modern combat equipment, and many experts believe that an eventual confrontation with China is certainly on the minds of those involved.
Sel Appa
08-03-2006, 02:01
Russia invites Japan to a meeting to discuss the strengthening of our relationship, as well as discussion of Japanese technology.

OOC: I'll make a new thread for this if you agree. Russia and Japan have resources the other one needs badly. We have oil, you have technology...and that's just the start.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
08-03-2006, 02:20
OOC: I actually have plans that will dramatically reduce the need for oil (which Japan is already working on), but some Russian technology is of the kind Japan would need (often cheaper to buy from someone else than research for yourself), and there are so many other mineral resources, particularly in Siberia . . .
The Kurile Islands are a bit of a sore point though.


IC:
The Prime Minister and his cabinet are honored by the Russian offer, and a delegation will be sent once the place and time are determined. We see a great deal that our two nations can offer each other, and look forward to seeing what our great nations can accomplish when combined.
New Dornalia
08-03-2006, 03:17
The nation of Singapore commends you for helping to combat piracy in the Straits and for stabilizing a dangerous situation in Indonesia. If possible, Singaporean Navy units may be available to join you in helping ships of all nations trade without fear on these waters.

SIC:

Singaporean forces hope the Japanese are just there for peacekeeping, and conservatives are not happy to see the Japanese so close to Singapore, fearing they may pull another 1942. President Nathan and PM Lee assure them otherwise, but do keep tabs on the situation.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
08-03-2006, 03:39
The Prime Minister wishes to again assure the people of Singapore that the Japanese forces being sent are for peacekeeping only, and are under strict rules of engagement that do not permit them to fire unless fired upon, nor operate beyond designated boundaries, all of which are within undisputed territory controled by Indonesia. At no point in the future, near or distant, does Japan intend to initiate any form of military action against Singapore. Indeed, even if we did, the people of Japan would not stand for such an action, and it would have to be aborted anyway.
New Dornalia
08-03-2006, 03:47
The Prime Minister wishes to again assure the people of Singapore that the Japanese forces being sent are for peacekeeping only, and are under strict rules of engagement that do not permit them to fire unless fired upon, nor operate beyond designated boundaries, all of which are within undisputed territory controled by Indonesia. At no point in the future, near or distant, does Japan intend to initiate any form of military action against Singapore. Indeed, even if we did, the people of Japan would not stand for such an action, and it would have to be aborted anyway.

Singapore thanks the Japanese for their assurances, and holds them to their word. Having said that, the Singaporean Government offers the aid of its Navy in limited joint operations with JMSDF units to start in the Straits of Malacca, where pirates and smugglers are a problem.

OOC: That bit about Singaporean fears was Secret IC, but I'll let that go. Public paranoia probably can't be kept too secret, after all. :D
Sel Appa
08-03-2006, 03:51
Russo-Japanese Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10544048#post10544048)
Clan Smoke Jaguar
08-03-2006, 04:12
OOC: Yeah, I recognized that it was secret IC. However, I had also planned to make that post before yours (it was actually drawn up shortly after I suggested checking this out). I actually intended to do some posts like that long before I made this thread (have some elaborate multiyear plans here), and will probably be making a couple more like that to create the proper atmosphere (I'm not getting any real international complaints for some reason). You just conveniently came at a good time.
New Dornalia
08-03-2006, 04:32
OOC: Yeah, I recognized that it was secret IC. However, I had also planned to make that post before yours (it was actually drawn up shortly after I suggested checking this out). I actually intended to do some posts like that long before I made this thread (have some elaborate multiyear plans here), and will probably be making a couple more like that to create the proper atmosphere (I'm not getting any real international complaints for some reason). You just conveniently came at a good time.

OOC: Thanks. Say, what of my offer for joint ops in the Straits?
Clan Smoke Jaguar
08-03-2006, 04:38
Regarding the Singaporean offer for limited joint operations in the Straits of Malacca, the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force would be happy to accept any and all assistance offered. Combatting these criminals is no small task and with only a few units authorized, we can certainly use any help we can get.
Cenanan
08-03-2006, 06:33
Despite the distance to travel, the CBSS would be happy to assist you with naval units. If you accept our help we hope that this will allow us to begin a friendship with your country.
President Victor Alexandru - CBSS
Clan Smoke Jaguar
08-03-2006, 07:24
If the Coalition of Black Sea States can indeed afford to part with a few of its vessels, we would welcome the assistance. They need only be able to receive and respond to communications from our E-2 Hawkeye AEW aircraft, which are providing surveillance for the area.


OOC: You really can't do too much right now. All three nations you claim are regional powers at best, and only a few vessels, probably one or two G class frigates, could be spared. The only one with serious naval power (that's capable of deploying beyond the Med) is Turkey, who needs most of it to counter Greece. Those two nations should still be at each others' throats on the Aegean dispute, as well as Cyprus.

On the other hand, you have some fast growing economies there, and Turkey in particular is going to give you some nice funds in a decade or so (they could conceivably be up to $1 trillion GDP by then).
Cenanan
08-03-2006, 09:51
Nonetheless the CBSS will send 2 Gabya G class frigates to the troubled area. They will be given orders to follow the lead of the Japanese ships in the region.

The President was quoted as saying " In times like these, countries should always be able to rely on eachother. Especially when we look at the conflicts raging due to Chechnya and the Austrilian invasion of Africa."

/ooc you've given me alot of reading to do.. but I expect tomorrow to be slow at work, so thanks ^.^
New Dornalia
08-03-2006, 22:06
Regarding the Singaporean offer for limited joint operations in the Straits of Malacca, the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force would be happy to accept any and all assistance offered. Combatting these criminals is no small task and with only a few units authorized, we can certainly use any help we can get.

Response from the Singaporean MoD:

"Very well. Frigates, three Corvettes, and three Missile Gunboats from our Navy's 185 Squadron will arrive to assist JMSDF forces in patrolling the Straits. They are failry powerful, and have helicopter capability, which will make them useful for intercepting pirates in the act."

OOC: Background on RSN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Singapore_Navy
Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-03-2006, 02:29
Very well, the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force is grateful to the CBSS and Singaporean assistance in this endeavor, and we hope to see some extensive progress in making these internationally important waters safer to transit.
However, of even more considerable value than the vessels, is the possible addition of two of Singapore's E-2C aircraft to assist in the surveillance. As it stands, we can only deploy six such aircraft, which, while capable of providing nonstop surveillance, places a greater strain on aircraft and maintenance crews than we would like. If two Singaporean units could be deployed for this effort, we could lower the rate, leving only a single 6-hour mission for each aircraft per day.


OOC:
Total Forces in the Straight:

Singapore:
2 E-2C "Hawkeye 2000" AWACS
4 Formidable Class Frigate
-4 S-70B Seahawk (one per frigate)
3 Victory Class Missile Corvette
3 Fearless Class Missile Gunboat

CBSS
2 Gabya G Class Frigate (US Oliver Hazard Perry)
-4 SH-2G Super Seasprite

Japan
6 E-2C "Hawkeye 2000" AWACS
12 F-2 Fighter-Bomber
1 Ise (DDH-X) Class Destroyer
-3 SH-60J Seahawk
-1 MCH-101 (EH101 Mine Countermeasures)
2 Haruna Class Destroyer
-6 SH-60J Seahawk (3 ea)
2 Hatsuyuki Class Destroyer
-2 SH-60J Seahawk (1 ea)
1 Abukuma Class ASW Frigate


Plus regular Malaysian and some Indonesian defense.


Also, just a note: Indonesia wouldn't mind so much with their other domestic problems right now, and Singapore has historically been in favor of outside support, but Malaysia would not be happy. That should be noted somehwere by at least one of us, and with New Dornalia looking into that as an NPC, he might be an appropriate one to say something, though I could too.
New Dornalia
09-03-2006, 02:39
Very well, the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force is grateful to the CBSS and Singaporean assistance in this endeavor, and we hope to see some extensive progress in making these internationally important waters safer to transit.
However, of even more considerable value than the vessels, is the possible addition of two of Singapore's E-2C aircraft to assist in the surveillance. As it stands, we can only deploy six such aircraft, which, while capable of providing nonstop surveillance, places a greater strain on aircraft and maintenance crews than we would like. If two Singaporean units could be deployed for this effort, we could lower the rate, leving only a single 6-hour mission for each aircraft per day.


OOC: Four Frigates from 185 Squadron are involved. I fgure it would not be smart to send all of them out.

And I'm not sure I get your last comment there...

IC:

Reply from MoD-

"Singapore will deploy its E-2C aircraft to aid the Japanese and CBSS forces in hunting these awful pirates."
New Dornalia
09-03-2006, 02:46
SIC:

To: Prime Minister Koizumi
From: Prime Minister Lee, Singapore

In this time of uncertainty, with upheaval all over the globe, it is wise to look for friends. As you may know, we in Singapore are in a strategic position that may yet decide the course of future affairs and directs global trade as it stands. So, to that end, we would like to pose an offer- an alliance that would enrich trade connections and if possible, provide a means of defense against foreign aggression.

Also, I want to create some kind of grander coalition or more interestingly, a confederated state here near the Straits to counterbalance the Aussies. Even if we are at good terms with them, it will give them a reason to stay as such. To that end, we may need your help in this endeavor, especially with the Malaysians.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-03-2006, 03:39
OOC: the bit about the E-2s was just logistics, but appropriate. The the Straits of Malacca are about 500 km long and up to 200 km wide, which means you'd need two E-2s working in conjunction to cover them. The E-2 has an endurance of 6.25 hours, so providing a good solid coverage would have 4 aircraft for each station: 3 down, 1 up. It could be done with 3, but 4 is optimal. Japan only has 13 E-2s, and they can't quite afford to part with 2/3 of their force for just one area, even if it is such an important one. This is also why Japan is trying to procure more from the US.

Also, Koizumi's no longer the PM. He's actually stated that he would step down this year. I picked Shinzo Abe (one of the most likely successors) to be the current one, though he might drop soon too.


SIC:
To: Prime Minister Lee
From: Prime Minister Abe

We agree that the stability and security of the Straits is of paramount importance, and that the Australian aspirations are a bit troublesome, as is the situation regarding Malaysia. Considering Singapore's role as one of the most prosperous and strategically important nations in Southeast Asia, we cannot help but look favorably upon such an alliance.

Interestingly enough, we also envision a strong Southeast Asia, which could combine with Japan to match any nation in economic and political strength. To that end, we see Singapore as a strong ally in such an endeavor, as a beacon of economic and political strength and stability for the rest of Southeast Asia to aspire to. While I must confer with some associates regarding certain issues, it is entirely possible that our two nations may find themselves operating in unison to achieve this goal.
Cenanan
09-03-2006, 03:44
Yes, the CBSS will be including the seasprites with the ships.
New Dornalia
09-03-2006, 03:51
SIC:
To: Prime Minister Lee
From: Prime Minister Abe

We agree that the stability and security of the Straits is of paramount importance, and that the Australian aspirations are a bit troublesome, as is the situation regarding Malaysia. Considering Singapore's role as one of the most prosperous and strategically important nations in Southeast Asia, we cannot help but look favorably upon such an alliance.

Interestingly enough, we also envision a strong Southeast Asia, which could combine with Japan to match any nation in economic and political strength. To that end, we see Singapore as a strong ally in such an endeavor, as a beacon of economic and political strength and stability for the rest of Southeast Asia to aspire to. While I must confer with some associates regarding certain issues, it is entirely possible that our two nations may find themselves operating in unison to achieve this goal.

SIC:
To: Prime Minister Abe
From: Prime Minister Lee

Singapore thanks you for your support. We are currently acting to form the Straits League, which will be a step towards this goal. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10547663&postcount=6) If possible, we can send men from the members of Brunei and Singapore to form an alliance between the League and the nation of Japan in person.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-03-2006, 04:19
SIC:
To: Prime Minister Lee
From: Prime Minister Abe

An alliance would be most acceptable, and pending a slight amendment to our constitution that's in the works, could become the basis for a very beneficial arrangement. We look forward to ironing out the details on this.
The Macabees
09-03-2006, 04:29
The Spanish government has found itself desperate for friendlies in what seems like a crazed world. Although the South Pacific is not in the kingdom's league, knowing how the Spanish navy fails to have the prerequisitives for extensive military operations in the area without the aid of others, Australian expansion in East Africa, threatening Ethiopia amongst others, have forced Spain to look elsewhere for friends, as Madrid hopes to curtail thorough Aussie attempts to spread its zones of influence. As Japan no doubt has known, Madrid and Singapore recently signed a contract for the shipment of Spanish Eurofighters to the city-state, and now, perhaps, the sister state of Brunei. This leaves Japan and Spain with similar goals and idealogies when dealing with the region, including a stern opposition to Astraulian belligerence, especially near the Straits of Malacca. That said, Phillip VI has found himself to be extremely interested in what would be Japanese-Spanish cooperation, and although Spain couldn't send much in the way of a fighting force to the Pacific, it could provide aid in East Africa. What could be devolved from this stategic disposition would be a dual axis of defense against Australian imperialism should the country threaten what both Tokyo and Madrid deem as valuable objects of interest - nominally, Singapore. In other words, Spain is ready to take a position in cooperation with Japan to protect and shape the future of Southeast Asia, where Spain would take a very low key role in the protection of what it sees as a newfound ally [Singapore].
Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-03-2006, 18:59
OOC: Japan is actually playing the Australian issue carefully. Since they have a stake in several Autralian plans (mostly with the Toshiba 4S reactor), and a desire for access to certain Australian technologies, they will not openly oppose them, though there is some anxiety.

SIC:
While we are not so opposed to current Australian operations, we do see the value of cooporation here. Should our efforts in Indonesia prove fruitful, we see little danger from Australia in that region, and we do not have that much riding in Africa at this time. It should be noted that Australia does not have the ability to take Indonesia, nor could they fight a war that requires supply lines through there if the nation rejects their actions. This is true of not only Singapore, but almost the whole of Southeast Asia. No doubt this is why they went after Africa instead. Thus, if you wish to curtail any chances of such expansion to the north, investing in Indonesia would be a wise choice. We ourselves suspect that their efforts in Africa may not prove so fruitful, and even if they do, by the time Australia can commit anywhere else, they will not see any viable targets to the north. Besides, if they were to try and take Singapore, they'd recieve instant condemnation from the most of the world, and would suffer economic sanctions and even military intervention. There is little excuse for invading that nation after all. Thus, Australia is not a major concern at this time.

As for us, we are currently just trying to ensure the security of vital sea lanes, which we rely heavily on, and to promote stability and economic growth in the region. However, a secondary goal is the capability of staving off a likely confrontation with China in the future. We fear that, at current rates of military and economic growth, they may try to expand through the within the next two decades.

Once again, we do see the value of cooperation between our two great nations, and we welcome any attempt to assist the nations of Southeas Asia, both economically and militarily, but understand that Australia isn't our primary concern at this time.
USSNA
10-03-2006, 00:35
(OOC: Not to make thngs hard or anything, but the DDX project isnt slated to produce a single ship untill 2012 and we are operating at 2010. And I'm not familiar with the other DD ship your useing)
Cenanan
10-03-2006, 00:46
the DD (whatever) designation is the japanese naval ship line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force#Surface_fleet).
New Dornalia
10-03-2006, 00:54
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10549876&postcount=10

OOC: I replied to your offer...
USSNA
10-03-2006, 00:56
((But the DDG-X is refering tot he United State's DDX project I'm assuming and there is no DDH-X in the japanese navy))
Cenanan
10-03-2006, 01:00
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20031228.aspx
there ya go. its japan's new "destroyer" aircraft carrier

http://www.ships-net.co.jp/detl/200107/091l.jpg
Clan Smoke Jaguar
10-03-2006, 01:01
(OOC: Not to make htings hard or anything, but the DDX project isnt slated to produce a single ship untill 2012 and we are operating at 2010. And I'm not familiar with the other DD ship your useing)
Wrong project there (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/7700ton.htm). The Japanese DDGX is a modified Kongo design, in no way associated with the US DDX program. They've actually already bought the AEGIS systems for them.
The DDH-X is a nice little ship (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/ddh-x.htm). They originally expected to have two done by 2010, but there's been a delay so the other one won't be commissioned ICly until 2011. However, it has already been launched.
USSNA
10-03-2006, 01:12
Oh okay that makes much more sense. I was just woundering because I'm trying to get my nations military together aswell.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
10-03-2006, 01:36
OOC: No problem. I recognize that not everyone can know about everything.
Many players, however, should have noticed the slight difference in designation (there be a "G" there), as well as the much lower displacement figures. Japan builds its own ships, and while US systems are integrated, they have never actually purchased current US vessels.
Incidentally, those ships (and possibly some or all of the Kongos) will have SM-3 capability. The current crop of Japanese air defense vessels are actually supposed to be the first tier of the nation's defense against ballistic missiles (PAC-3s take the leakers).



IC:
Japan Times
After a great deal of debate, and even more promises, a series of amendments to the Japanese consitution have been approved. These amendments are considered to be a response to Japan's growing role as a peacekeeper in the region, and improving alliance committments. These amendments revoked the previous Article 9, and replaced it with what amounts to a heavily modified version that includes several major changes. Among these are one regarding the sale of military equipment. Previously forbidden, the new revisions will allow it under certain stringent conditions, and will mostly be to allow for sales to Singapore and Brunei, with possible inclusion of Indonesia in the future. While detractors point out that this is in stark contrast to the current policy, supporters have pointed out the great potential income from these exports, and that these weapons are only being sent to militaries that will not be using them for offensive purposes.
A much more controversial revision is one that will allow Japan to maintain a genuine military force, though with a number of limitations. Most notably, while it may now deploy troops in the peacekeeping role or in support of a legitimate government that has called for their assistance in handling an internal dispute or repelling an invasion, it cannot commit any aggressive actions on its own, and specifically, it cannot deploy ground forces beyond the established borders of the nation it's assisting. As controversial as this has been, it has been repeatedly stated that this revision still forbids any offensive action to be taken, and especially forbids Japanese troops from operating on foreign soil without invitation.
China and North Korea, among others, are expected to vehemently protest these changes and their implications, while many Southeast Asian nations, as well as several in Europe and the Americas may actually support it, on the grounds that Japan is using this to promote greater peace and stability in the region, which is vital to most of the nations in the world.

Tied with these was the announcement that Japan would have increased defense spending, possibly expanding to over 2.5% of the nation's GDP, which runs in contrast to an unwritten rule that the budget would never exceed 1% of the GDP. It was repeatedly stated that there are no plans for it to ever go that high for several years, but it is a distinct possibility. Spending over the next few years will gradually increase until a zenith of probably around 1.75-2%, the spokesperson said. This is to allow for the major program to improve infrastructure and allow for foreign deployments.

The Japanese people themselves have shown their own mixed opinions, in tune with the slim margin that this was passed by. However, promises of more jobs and greater exports and income have quelled many potential dissidents, and even detractors admit that this could indeed be for the better if the new powers are used responsibly. As to whether or not that will be the case, only time will tell.


Edit: changed this to a more (hopefully) suitable format, and added in some recent info.
New Dornalia
10-03-2006, 01:59
Straits Times

PM Lee praises Japanese Amendments, Conservative MPs not too sure

PM Lee today released a statement just minutes ago praising the decision by the Japanese Government as "conductive to peace in Southeast Asia."

Indeed, the sentiment is also echoed by members of the Cabinet and by the Sultan of Brunei as well, who issued a statement saying "The Japanese Government's actions will ensure that stability occurs in our part of the world....and check potential foreign aggression." Center-left members of the PAP in Parliament have issued their own statement of support for Lee and the Japanese, citing the "greater dangers than Japan at this point, such as terrorists, Malaysia, etc," and declaring "that any such resignations over actions in Tokyo are mere hysteria; this is 2010, not 1941."

Several MPs in the People's Action Party resigned, however, saying they would rather quit than "work with untrustworthy men who are just going to gloss over the past," referring to the Occupation of 1942-1945 and recent agreements to purchase arms from Japan. However, the public has been mostly supportive of the recent amendments, with over 62% agreeing with the Sultan and the Center-left statements made today about the need for regional security. There however, has been some rumblings, as elements of the normally reticent Singaporean and Bruneian publics reportedly have begun demonstrating against the amendments.
Naktan
10-03-2006, 05:43
IC:
Japan Times
After a great deal of debate, and even more promises, a series of amendments to the Japanese consitution have been approved. These three amendments are considered to be a response to Japan's growing role as a peacekeeper in the region, and improving alliance committments. These amendments provide three modifications of the constitution, all related to military forces. The first, and least controversial, is simply one that will allow for increased defense procurement, up to 2.5% of the budget. It was repeatedly stated that there are no plans for it to ever go that high, but it was for a just in case scenario. Spending over the next few years will gradually increase until a zenith of probably around 1.5-1.75%, the spokesperson said. This is to allow for the major program to improve infrastructure and allow for foreign deployments.
The second change is one that has incited mixed responses, and is in regards to selling and leasing military hardware. Previously forbidden, the new amendment will allow it under certain stringent conditions, and will mostly be to allow for sales to Singapore and Brunei, with possible inclusion of Indonesia in the future. While detractors point out that this is in stark contrast to the current policy, supporters have pointed out the great potential income from these exports, and that these weapons are only being sent to militaries that will not be using them for offensive purposes.
The third, and by far the most controversial, amendment, is one that will allow Japan to deploy troops in the peacekeeping role or in support of a legitimate government that has called for their assistance in handling an internal dispute or repelling an invasion. As controversial as this has been, it has been repeatedly stated that this amendment still forbids any offensive action to be taken, and especially forbids Japanese troops from operating on foreign soil without invitation. China is expected to vehemently protest this amendment and its implications, while many Southeast Asian nations, as well as several in Europe and the Americas may actually support it, on the grounds that Japan is using this to promote greater peace and stability in the region, which is vital to most of the nations in the world.

The Japanese people themselves have shown their own mixed opinions, in tune with the slim margin that this was passed by. However, promises of more jobs and greater exports and income have quelled many potential dissidents, and even detractors admit that this could indeed be for the better if the new powers are used responsibly. As to whether or not that will be the case, only time will tell.

[ooc: Wow...nice steps...except that this is the real Article 9:

CHAPTER II: RENUNCIATION OF WAR
Article 9:
Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. 2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

In order to get anything done, you have to strike that completely. Your constitution shouldn't have "I'm going to allot a minimum of 2.5% GDP into defense budget" stuff...it's too restricting...If you want Japan to have any serious military [the current forces are labeled as police...], strike Article 9 completely, or re-write it accordingly...
Clan Smoke Jaguar
10-03-2006, 06:05
OOC: this IS a re-writing of article 9, I just didn't go an rewrite the thing because I didn't want to bother with coming up with an official-sounding paragraph for it. Just discussing the implications is fine. And I was informed of something regarding military procurement, though I'm not certain on it. so I though I might as well play it safe with that. 2.5% is a step, not a permanent fixture. You can only go so far at a time, especially when it relates to the Japanese Military.
Naktan
11-03-2006, 06:35
[ooc: The problem is that you can't use it on a legal basis without a revocation of this article...the current wording just says that we can pay for something that resembles a military structure, but we can't use it..." - particularly since the words "will never be maintained" are so clear and explicit...]
Clan Smoke Jaguar
17-03-2006, 08:32
Japan Times
July 14, 2011

Today, the Japanese Government announced that a new bill had been passed, which would practically eliminate gasoline-powered cars from the market. "While these vehicles will still be produced for export, and we will not remove existing stock yet" the spokesperson said, "no more new cars will be produced for the general domestic market." He then added that there will be a few specialty dealers that will still be allowed to carry these vehicles, but over the next few years, regulations are going to get more and more stringent, leaving fewer and fewer willing to buy them, eventually ending with these almost solely in the hands of wealthy enthusiasts. It is anticipated that through the rest of the decade, we will gradually switch over to greater use of the Hydrogen Fuel Cell as an alternative to gasoline for power. It is expected that by 2020, over 95% of domestic ground vehicles and a large portion of boats and ships, both recreational and commercial, will rely on the Hydrogen Fuel Cell for power. It is believed that this will make great strides in reducing the Japanese requirement for foreign oil, and dramatically reduce imports, on the order of billions, and eventually tens of billions, a year.
Much of the infrastructure for this is already in place, as the transition has been occurring for the last 5 years due to pressure, and with the expected success of the Toshiba 4S reactor, to go into mass production next year, and its much larger cousin under development, there is little doubt that the Japan of the next decade will be a cleaner, cheaper place to live, and a beacon for other nations to follow.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
17-03-2006, 10:15
Japan Times

First Okishio class submarine laid down.

Construction work has recently started on the first vessel of the new, and long delayed Okishio class. Originally slated for commissioning in 2009, the vessel was delayed by over half a decade, thus making a force of four improved Oyashio vessels its temporary replacement. This was to allow further design studies regarding the integration of new and developing technologies into the vessel, and the Maritime Self Defense Force is toting this as "the most advanced and effective conventional submarine in the world." With a new conformal flank array sonar, improved quieting, communications, and fire control, this certainly is a powerful ship, but the true power of the vessel is held in the advanced Hydrogen Fuel Cell power supply. While the Germans have already deployed this in their Type 212A and its derivatives, the Japanese vessel is claimed to have a "second generation" system, and boat's submerged endurance is stated as being "in excess of 30 days." Current submarines without hydrogen fuel cells or the alternative Sterling Engine have a submerged endurance of only a few days, then having to run near the surface in a noisy process known as "snorting" or "snorkeling" to recharge their batteries. Existing units with these features extend this to two or three weeks, but only the new Okishio class will exceed 4 weeks submerged. This puts it far beyond any existing conventional submarine, and will allow for longer patrols and greater combat maneuvering. The fuel cell power supply will also reduce reliance on more expensive diesel fuel, reducing operating costs and petrolium imports. Additional features such as a water-ram expulsion system will further improve this vessel, but the fuel cell power system will be the true star. The Okishio is expected to be the first vessel in a class that may reach up to a dozen boats by 2025.
Cenanan
17-03-2006, 20:47
The CBSS is interested this new Hydrogen Battery system. Would Japan be interested in attempting to hybrid this design with the currrent rail prototype that the CBSS is working on? Perhaps the vast battery life offered would allow the weapon to fire multiple times while still reataining the ability to manuver the vessel.
Asbena
17-03-2006, 21:37
Australia wishes that any trade embargos on it by Japan or its foreign allies cease immediately following the resolution in the UN.

Also Australia wishes to conduct business with the nuclear battery corperation, Toshiba. Australia's green power initaives are holding true to their expectations, but nuclear power will continue to provide safe, effective use of resources for energy. Australia is wishing to purchase directly from Toshiba for the nuclear reactors, all we need is approval of the Japanese government.
The Beltway
18-03-2006, 02:20
To the government of Japan -
We wish to inquire about the possibility of purchasing your Oyashio-class submarines once they become superfluous. Our two nations have been friendly for years, and hope to continue our warm relationship in times to come. Is there anything you would like us to do for your nation?
Sincerely,
HM King Phumiphon Adunyadet of Thailand
PM Thaksin Chinnawat of Thailand
Maikeria
18-03-2006, 03:00
Argentina wishes to notify Japan that Taiwan has broken away from China which may cause quite a disturbance in your region
Clan Smoke Jaguar
18-03-2006, 07:39
OOC: Cenanan, hydrogen fuel cells aren't quite that powerful. They have greater energy storage than a conventional battery, but in terms of power provided, a genuine generator is still preferable. It should be noted that while they talk about endurance in weeks and days, those are maximum times based on an average speed of 3-5 knots (minimum steerageway essentially). A good diesel generator will probably do better for you than a fuel cell system. Nuclear power is best though.

IC
The Maritime Self Defense Force has displayed some interest in your electromagnetic weapon technology, and would consider working with you in order to improve the utility of the system. However, we suspect that the fuel cells may not be an optimal energy source for the weapons to utilize, and that the ship's own power plant, even if it is moving at normal speeds, would likely be superior. Fuel cells would only be viable as a backup to allow the ship to make a dash at flank speed while still retaining the guns.
That said, we again see some utility for this system, and will look into possible deals regarding its acquisition.



OOC:
The Beltway. Traditionally, Japanese submarines are decommissioned after 18-20 years, and while that would suggest some Oyashio units starting to drop by 2013-2015, we're actually intending to maintain a larger force and extend the lives of the existing boats, so old Oyashios will last at least 30 years, until 2025.

IC:
We currently plan on modernizing and upgrading our older Oyashio series submarines in the hopes of maintaining them in the fleet until at least 2025. However, we are working on a few new shipbuilding facilities to allow us to provide vessels, these included, for export. These can thus be purchased, depending on the political situation, and could entail a first unit being delivered in 2016.



OOC:
Asbena, Japan has had no major embargoes on Australia so far. We need to maintain a stable relationship for now. in five or six years, that may not be the case. For now, we're not doing anything against you.

IC:
We would gladly accept Australian orders for the Toshiba 4S, and would certainly appreciate the confidence of such a modern and respected nation as Australia. Additionally, due to previous Australian participation in the program, Toshiba has agreed to offer them for $20 million each, $5 million below the current asking price. Toshiba and the Japanese government are also curious as to Australian interest in the larger plant being worked on. If successful, we could have those installed by 2017 to provide a cheaper and more centralized power source for larger urban areas.
Cenanan
18-03-2006, 10:31
We are aware of the batteries inability to put forth a large charge at once, we were going to use the battery to power the engines of the ships while the main power plant was used for the weapons.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
18-03-2006, 12:54
Ahh, forgive us for misunderstanding. In this capacity, they might be more useful, though they will still not last very long at combat speeds. However, for a few minutes of firing while maintaining decent speed, this could work.
Asbena
19-03-2006, 02:35
Australia wishes to purchase five reactors from the company for a total of $100 million.
Spizania
19-03-2006, 02:42
OOC: Im just a bit confused by the last couple of pages, are you selling nuclear reactors?
Asbena
19-03-2006, 03:02
OOC: Im just a bit confused by the last couple of pages, are you selling nuclear reactors?

OOC: Yep. Australia wants more...but we can't afford too many.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
19-03-2006, 03:21
OOC: Yes, the main one is a self-contained, minimally staffed, 10 MW reactor designed and produced by Toshiba, and known as the Toshiba 4S. It exists today, but they're working on getting it licensed. The test site is in the small Alaskan town of Galena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena_Nuclear_Power_Plant). The idea is for a small reactor that's relatively cheap ($25 million price tag mentioned) that provides cheap electricity for smaller, isolated communities that otherwise have to rely on diesel generators.
It's much cleaner and safer than existing reactors, lasts about 30 years, and is likely to be a big seller around the world if successful. As an added bonus, it can also use nearby water supplies to get hydrogen for hydrogen fuel cells. This was actually designed for export, and is the only reactor in the world where the core can actually be built domestically, and then shipped in its entirety to the desired location.

Secondary to that is the original design (50 MW), and a much larger, but related design, which is rated at 150 MW. I'm also going to make note of a 750 MW fast breeder based off of a successful Russian design (which Japan does have the technical documentation for IRL - bought for $1 billion), but I don't know about exporting that one.


This actually isn't a new thing, and most nations that have developed nuclear reactors have "exported" them. The 4S is just among the first that can actually be sold over the counter.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
19-03-2006, 15:15
Japan Times

Maritime Self Defense Force Announces Implementation of Fuel Cell Engines and New Naval Combatants

Today, spokesmen for the Maritime Self Defense Force confirmed that they will be implementing COFCAG (Combined Fuel-Cell And Gas) propulsion in future ship designs. Development of a high-efficiency fuel cell as an alternative to diesel generators has been ongoing in several nations, It maintains a gas turbine generator to provide high-speed dashes, eliminating one of the disadvantages of the electric drive systems, and is essentially a replacement for the diesel-electric systems found on many submarines and even some modern surface vessels. Fuel cells have already found a use as auxiliary generators on many recent SDF and civilian vessels, and experiments have already been carried out regarding the use of the system as primary propulsion. Additional experiments pertaining to operational capability are expected to commence within a few years using two destroyers that are to be decommissioned, as well as new-build and modified test ships. It is anticipated that these could result in viable fuel-cell powered vessels before the end of the decade, and it is expected that all designs after 2020 will use COFCAG propulsion systems. This is expected to affect new submarine and antisubmarine frigate classes anticipated in the near future, and it has been stated that there may be plans to modify many existing ships with this propulsion system. SDF planners note that this is an extremely promising development because it provides cleaner, renewable power supplies, while at the same time weaning the nation off of its massive oil requirements.

In somewhat related news, the Maritime Self Defense Force has admitted that the destroyer Kiso, which was ordered in 2009 and has recently been laid down, has had changes to the design that will make it the first in a class of anti-surface warfare vessels. The ship was originally intended to be the third Yamashiro class destroyer, but has had the bow modified, including the removal of the originally planned Mk.41 VLS cells, in order to accommodate an angled launcher for twelve large antishipping missiles, which sources indicate to be the modified version of the Russian Moskit missile currently being codeveloped between Mitsubishi and Raduga. Two other vessels currently in the planning stage, along with a fourth, have also been ordered, and it is expected that at least eight of these vessels will be delivered. A MSDF spokesperson stated that these are in response to the Chinese naval buildup and increased tensions between the two nations over current Japanese policy. It has been stated, however, that these units will not be operating abroad at this juncture, and will operate solely among the home islands as defensive units.
There are also preliminary design studies on a new class of ASW frigates that will be expected to enter servce early in the next decade. Research will be in parallel with the COFCAG propulsion, and it is expected that these will be the first class designed with this, followed by a new submarine class to replace the Oyashios, which will be nearing the end of their service life by 2020.
The Beltway
19-03-2006, 21:52
To the government of Japan -
Thank you. We intend to purchase two Oyashio-class subs, modified for the export market and fitted out with (preferably) American electronics, as soon as they are available. Again, if there is anything you request of us, feel free to ask.
Sincerely,
HM King Phumiphon Adunyadet of Thailand
PM Thaksin Chinnawat of Thailand
Asbena
19-03-2006, 22:28
OOC: Australia would be interested in purchasing one fast breeder nuclear reactor, however what will this put us back by? The Australian government is current searching for away to decomission its older power plants for a cheaper alternative that requires less upkeep.

Edit: Accidentally used OOC for IC. My mistake.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
19-03-2006, 23:21
OOC: We're not exporting fast breeder reactors yet. That was OOC info. In fact, right now, we still only have the Monju facility (reopened in 2008). We might be exporting an integral fast breeder design in the 2015-2020 time frame, but that's a bit iffy. We do intend to have IFBRs available for export in the 2025-2030 timeframe though.
And anyway, current PWRs are actually more cost-efficient than current FBRs.

IC:
We're afraid that, while we do have programs involving fast breeder reactors, we don't at this juncture have any designs available for export. In fact, we do not even have an operational production unit yet ourselves. Only a small test unit exists in addition to the Monju facility, and we don't expect a full-scale plant for a few years. Plus, despite cooling relations, we fear there may be significant international outcry based on recent Australian actions. We do offer ABWRs, and could have Australia as a test site for an ESBWR design. We estimate cost for a large-scale reactor to be $2-4 billion, depending on the specific size and type.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
19-03-2006, 23:27
To the government of Japan -
Thank you. We intend to purchase two Oyashio-class subs, modified for the export market and fitted out with (preferably) American electronics, as soon as they are available. Again, if there is anything you request of us, feel free to ask.
Sincerely,
HM King Phumiphon Adunyadet of Thailand
PM Thaksin Chinnawat of Thailand
We will see what we can do about American electronics, though you would have to purchase them yourself to have them installed, and many systems would be better served by current Japanese electronics, which have already been designed for these units. American submarines are much larger and of a significantly different design, and require different hardware and software for many key systems.
Beyond that, we can start production of the first submarine by 2014, and can have both vessels delivered by 2020.
Asbena
19-03-2006, 23:30
OOC: Forget it. That's outside Australia's budget. XD
Clan Smoke Jaguar
19-03-2006, 23:47
OOC: I was going to do this as an edit, but better late than never. Btw, the ESBWR is a Gen III+, which is about as modern as you can expect before 2020.

IC:
The Japanese government realizes that the cost of a nuclear reactor would be prohibitive for Australia, and we therefore might suggest a trade that would prove mutually beneficial for both nations.
Japan, despite measures to reduce consumtion, still requires a great deal of oil, and we see Australian TDP plant designs as being an excellent alternative source. The Japanese government is willing to provide Australia with a 600 Megawatt Economically Safe Boiling Water Reactor (ESBWR) design, in exchange for large-scale assistance in building a TDP infrastructure at least equal to that of Australia (5 million barrels/day). The reactor is a test-unit, but we have a great deal of experience with the BWR type, second only to the United States, and this is just an evolutionary version of the design. If agreeable, we could see this unit fully operational by 2017.
Asbena
20-03-2006, 01:27
OOC: This is from the still ailing Aramaki...but he's my man. ^-^

IC:

"Australia already has considerable amounts of power, with our Solar Tower completed this year and our nuclear power plants and older power plants, we can stand to modernize some more however. Based on our own inquiries we figure that Japan could easily produce 8 or even 10 million barrels of oil per day with a full integration of our fifth generation TDP plants. We'll be happy to help our ally build these plans to end dependance from foreign imports.

If Australia and Japan teamed up, our nations could put the OPEC nations to shame with cheap oil. Around $20-$25 per barrel will yield a decent profit margin of 70% or so.

However if we do this trade, Japan must not sell or give our technology without our consent. We will also not sell or give the information about the plant to other nations without your consent." ~Aramaki, Prime Minister of Australia.
The Beltway
20-03-2006, 01:39
b/c I'm too lazy to make a full post

IC - Japanese works well enough, on second thought, for our subs.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
20-03-2006, 02:03
OOC: This is from the still ailing Aramaki...but he's my man. ^-^

IC:

"Australia already has considerable amounts of power, with our Solar Tower completed this year and our nuclear power plants and older power plants, we can stand to modernize some more however. Based on our own inquiries we figure that Japan could easily produce 8 or even 10 million barrels of oil per day with a full integration of our fifth generation TDP plants. We'll be happy to help our ally build these plans to end dependance from foreign imports.

If Australia and Japan teamed up, our nations could put the OPEC nations to shame with cheap oil. Around $20-$25 per barrel will yield a decent profit margin of 70% or so.

However if we do this trade, Japan must not sell or give our technology without our consent. We will also not sell or give the information about the plant to other nations without your consent." ~Aramaki, Prime Minister of Australia.
We find this arrangement agreeable, and will not provide this technology to any other nation, though we may see fit to direct others to solicit offers to you in the near future. This technology has the potential to revitalize the economies of numerous nations that we're associated with, but we recognize the need for caution in order to maintain a solid lead economically.

Edit:
OOC: I was wrong, not really enough for exports. I'll still go through with this though as it's still quite a boon to my nation, if not yours.
Asbena
20-03-2006, 02:24
"Agreed. When we begin to export in 2012, Australia will sell oil for $40 per barrel which will be just under OPEC's asking prices."