NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Here is good.

Australia is preparing to invade Djibouti to protect the USA base and end attacks on Somalia from the defeated rebels of Puntland. Which we have reason to believe are hiding here and under the Lithuanian intrusion will grow only stronger in resistance.

the CBSS will be holding until a vote passes through the UN about this. we also prefer to hear what the USA says about this considering it is apparently their base.

Lithuania move 500 troops from Albania and the 400 troops from Sudan. With the troops will be 2 T-90s and 5 BTR-90. The Lithuanian ask the Australian to stop and if they don't they will bring it up with the UN. We are not invading, but merely helping the people of Djibouti.

Lithuania move 500 troops from Albania and the 400 troops from Sudan. With the troops will be 2 T-90s and 5 BTR-90. The Lithuanian ask the Australian to stop and if they don't they will bring it up with the UN. We are not invading, but merely helping the people of Djibouti.


Your actions go way beyond helping, its invading now you know.

As the former parent country of Djibouti, France will not tolerate any infringement of Djibouti's territorial sovereignty. We respectfully ask that both Lithuania and Australia back their troops from the proper territory. Furthermore, France still does not recognize Australia's claim to Somalia and will thus demand their withdrawal from that territory as well.

OOC: We don't need to start WWIII over Djibouti of all places.

IC:

France holds a good point. Although Israel supports the move of Australia to take Somalia, we cannot support further invasions at this time, especially when Australia likely does not have Somalia under total control (no matter what you tell us, it's going to be hard to hold that place in peace). Israel suggests that Australia continue to control Somalia and offer them help, rather than rampaging through Africa at the current pace.

Australia simply wants to secure the American influence in Djibouti until the matter can be handled in the UN. Our forces will not leave the border. Ethiopia and Djibouti are both housing ILLEGAL, criminal fugitives of Somalia. The warlords and their men fled into the nations and are proceeding to attack Australian and Somalian people inside of Somalia.

Forceful removal of these warlords must be taken as they threaten a united Somalia. Australia believes that Lithuania is specifically training warlords to fight against Somalian guards and Australian troops.

[ooc: ok... what is Australia doing in Somalia? Forceful acquisition or forceful modernization? I keep getting confused because the rhetoric keeps changing everywhere...]

[ooc: ok... what is Australia doing in Somalia? Forceful acquisition or forceful modernization? I keep getting confused because the rhetoric keeps changing everywhere...]

OOC: Australia is turning Somalia into Australia.. >.>

[OOC: Where did Australia get the logistics to support an invasion of a country thousands of kilometers away from it? In all seriousness, I don't understand how Australia is able to put enough men on the ground to forcefully take any African country, despite the size, and realistically, the United States should be jumping in and putting a lot of pressure on Australia since there are many American airbases in Djibouti, many of them used in both Persian Gulf Wars. There's no doubt that Australia is an advance country, but the only nation with the abilities to support such an invasion so far away from home is the United States, and perhaps the United Kingdom.]

[OOC: Where did Australia get the logistics to support an invasion of a country thousands of kilometers away from it? In all seriousness, I don't understand how Australia is able to put enough men on the ground to forcefully take any African country, despite the size, and realistically, the United States should be jumping in and putting a lot of pressure on Australia since there are many American airbases in Djibouti, many of them used in both Persian Gulf Wars. There's no doubt that Australia is an advance country, but the only nation with the abilities to support such an invasion so far away from home is the United States, and perhaps the United Kingdom.]

We're in Somalia right now...Djibouti only has 500,000 people for a population and the USA isn't reacting...but we haven't invaded...yet.

[OOC: It's a wonder to me how you even got to Somalia, but since you are already there I guess it's ex-post facto, so I won't press it further. I hope I have the same leeway as Spain. :) ]

[OOC: It's a wonder to me how you even got to Somalia, but since you are already there I guess it's ex-post facto, so I won't press it further. I hope I have the same leeway as Spain. :) ]

I just wish the USA would do something...and Lithuania stop training the enemy...its getting really messed up because of Russia and Lithuanian influence.

We are currently training the army they had before we came into the country. We will also help the Australians by rounding up any warlords and sending them to Somalia. Also the Lithuanian Government has sent a message to all the countries. We are not invading this country. We are merely helping the control not be a underdevolped country anymore. We will leave once are help is no longer needed.

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Also the Lithuanians have sent a statement to the Australians.

Russia is helping us in the area. We are in the middle of forming a pact betwee our countries. If you don't stop we will have to start a war.

Your actions are impeding a legal investigation with Australia and the Puntland warlord. Pull out immediately or Australia will not be responsible for your troop losses.

Spain Pledges Military Aid to Djibouti
In lieu of Spain's newfound 'alliance' with Iran, Middle Eastern politics have suddenly become a centerpiece for Spanish diplomats. The sphere of the Middle East, of course, including all Muslim countries, including those on the Horn of Africa. More than that, Australian expansion in the area has been seen as a direct infringement on Spanish interests, especially on shipping into the Red Sea, which is the largest shipping lane of petroleum to Spain from Iran. With this political sorrounding, Spain has pledged full military support, including the shifting of both Spanish carriers [one is not a full fledge carrier, however], and major naval detachment, as well as mechanized units. Madrid has issued an official warning to Canberra stating that should Australian ambitions carry it to any other country in North Africa Spain will be ready to stop, destroy and return the Australian offensive, and push them back out of Africa. Currently, Madrid is looking for its allies in Thailand, Singapore and Iran to issue their own decrees and show some hint of support. Moreover, Spain is hoping for some type of heavy pledge by France, especially the aid of the de Gaulle nuclear carrier which would have more range than either of the Spanish counterparts until the Illustrious is fully transferred to Spain, if that deal doesn't fall through. Military experts conclude that any defensive operation would be quick, noting that Australia may soon be put under economic sanctions which would cripple the Oceanic economy. Cutting them off from their colonies with naval forces would seal the fate of Australian troops in Africa. Finally, Spain has also declared that it will soon be reinforcing Djiboutian formations with older M60 Patton tank variants that once served in the Spanish Army [replaced largely by the Leopard 2E].

You misread the situation....Somalia is becoming westernized. We are not going to be stopped and our control of the tip the eastern edge of the Red Sea is cruical to our future operations. Economic sanctions will actually enhance Australia's military and speed the developement of weaponry to crush its oppressors. The same that Germany did for World War II. It went from a nation that was crippled with a worthless currency to the almost ruler of the world.

[OOC: The situation with Germany was completely different..and for all the military increase, at its zenith German industry only produced around 700 tanks per month, while the Russians were making an average of 1,520 T-34s monthly, plus all the other tanks they produced. And, it was economic sanctions which destroyed Germany's potential for military dominance - it was the fact that they didn't have petroleum that made it worse. Without petroleum your military is dead in the water, and economic sanctions will tear your country apart...be realistic here.]

[OOC: The situation with Germany was completely different..and for all the military increase, at its zenith German industry only produced around 700 tanks per month, while the Russians were making an average of 1,520 T-34s monthly, plus all the other tanks they produced. And, it was economic sanctions which destroyed Germany's potential for military dominance - it was the fact that they didn't have petroleum that made it worse. Without petroleum your military is dead in the water, and economic sanctions will tear your country apart...be realistic here.]

Germany didn't have the resources...but we sure do. Djibouti is a hot zone which could simply be solved if Lithuania backed out of their invasion and training of th enemy. If he does not do this I'll have to force him out of Djibouti.

Germany didn't have the resources...but we sure do. Djibouti is a hot zone which could simply be solved if Lithuania backed out of their invasion and training of th enemy. If he does not do this I'll have to force him out of Djibouti.

[OOC: Oh yea? Did these resources come from the magical pot of goodies? Where is Australia getting its petroleum? Where did Australia get the power to propagate itself in the first place? Regardless, should Lithuania choose to leave the situation would still not be resolved since Spain would still not allow Australian operations in Djibouti.]

[OOC: Oh yea? Did these resources come from the magical pot of goodies? Where is Australia getting its petroleum? Where did Australia get the power to propagate itself in the first place? Regardless, should Lithuania choose to leave the situation would still not be resolved since Spain would still not allow Australian operations in Djibouti.]

Australia has its own oil fields and natural gas reserves. Infact our exports of natural gas is quite high. With resources all around we will be able to combine it with our own green technology to produce ample power and not need imports of oil. Though as a result of any economic sanctions....things will become out of hand very very quickly. The key to avoiding the conflict is to let Djibouti go so we don't have to invade the nation to route out the terrorist attacks on Australia.

The more the attacks grow and the harder the world pushes against Australia, how do you think our populace is going to feel? Unable to persue terrorists who bomb cruise ships to cause confict?

Iran will be supporting our new allies in Spain in any situation that develops in Africa. For now no military forces will be dispatched but equipment that has just recently been replaced by new Spanish weapons shipments will be sent to arm the Dijibouti military.

Iran will be supporting our new allies in Spain in any situation that develops in Africa. For now no military forces will be dispatched but equipment that has just recently been replaced by new Spanish weapons shipments will be sent to arm the Dijibouti military.

OK YOU GUYS ARE SERIOUSLY THICKHEADED! THIS IS AMERICAN CONTROLLED TERRITORY! You're all aggressors to the USA now. Congrats! This is not Australia's problem and hence you all fight over stupid crap. I am asking UN permission to enter USA territory to stop terrorist attacks and you are supporting them. In the eyes of the world, you are all monsters!

OOC: Put an OOC tag on OOC stuff, but anyawys...Dijibouti is in fact a soveriegn nation, which while it houses American bases and operations, it has TOTAL and COMPLETE control of its own politics. Notice how I said I was NOT sending military forces, just equipment to arm the Dijibouti army. So I don't know whow I'm an "agressor" on the USA but if you want to invade Dijibouti go ahead, just hope you realize that it is NOT American territory, grab yourself an atlas.

OK YOU GUYS ARE SERIOUSLY THICKHEADED! THIS IS AMERICAN CONTROLLED TERRITORY! You're all aggressors to the USA now. Congrats! This is not Australia's problem and hence you all fight over stupid crap. I am asking UN permission to enter USA territory to stop terrorist attacks and you are supporting them. In the eyes of the world, you are all monsters!

[OOC: Ummmmm? Djibouti is a sovereign nation.]

OOC: Put an OOC tag on OOC stuff, but anyawys...Dijibouti is in fact a soveriegn nation, which while it houses American bases and operations, it has TOTAL and COMPLETE control of its own politics. Notice how I said I was NOT sending military forces, just equipment to arm the Dijibouti army. So I don't know whow I'm an "agressor" on the USA but if you want to invade Dijibouti go ahead, just hope you realize that it is NOT American territory, grab yourself an atlas.

No...Lithuania sent a military in. Now you are sending in weapons and stuff. What about the nation itself? How are they taking it?

No...Lithuania sent a military in. Now you are sending in weapons and stuff. What about the nation itself? How are they taking it?

[OOC: What nation? What are you arguing?]

No...Lithuania sent a military in. Now you are sending in weapons and stuff. What about the nation itself? How are they taking it?

OOC: Again, OOC tag on OOC stuff, but Dijibouti is taking it extremely well, they've just been offered tens of millions of dollors of free military equipment, training from a modern European army and protection. Dijibouti is jumping in joy right now.

[OOC: Ummmmm? Djibouti is a sovereign nation.]
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It is a sovereign nation...but sending in troops to train the military to fight (and espically with things the way they are is just asking for a problem).

[OOC: From whom? From you? I'm looking for a fight with you, so that doesn't really worry me. From who else? With any dose of reality, the United States is just as opposed to Australian intervention in Djibouti, a US ally, as Spain is, so I have no fears concerning the United States. The only ally you could count on that could do something is Italy, unfortunately, Italy needs me more than he needs you, and him being just as power hungry in North Africa, no doubt would like to see you gone from the continent.

I'm sure Djibouti welcomes the sudden spike in interest, especially since its military is about to be lifted to yet another stage. It's not everyday that they receive military training from a European country - albeit a near third world European country -, as well as military goods from Iran, and full fledge martial support from Spain, which has a greater ability to deploy strategically in the Red Sea than Australia has, especially since Australia also has Somalia to deal with.

In other words, I really see no forseeable problems.]

OOC: Now that thats all taken care of why don't we move on witht he IC, Australia, I believe the balls in your court as to how to react, ICCly that is.

Australia responds to the aiding of Djibouti and the strenghening of the terrorists attack as the so-called Djibouti military has warlord sympathizers/abeiters in it. Australia steps up border patrols and Red Sea searches for suspicious ships in Somalian waters.

Australian troops have entered onto Djibouti in a normally peaceful manner, seeking out the USA base for assistance and not to be ignored. The Australian military in its primilianary search has already uncovered 50 suspects that are carrying C4 and other advanced military weaponry. Apparently Lithuania's military aid has pushed its way into the hands of the terrorists who were attacking Australian troops in Somalia.

(This is a VERY REAL situation, its how many people would acquire weaponry under conditions of the enemy state inside another one. When Australia forced Puntland out they lived on the border as is. This means the Puntland refugees and people would move across the border and are now attempting to push Australia away. Since Lithuania is granting them military weaponry and supplies they will do this BETTER now. Australia has no choice to invade, and we HAVE to to stop it, as the 'warlords' won't fit in unless you take a full charge and search and destroy, which would be called an invasion anyways and not 'aiding'. )

EDIT: if 'PEACEFUL MANNER' didn't tell you we had permission by the government, then its right here. THIS IS NOT ANNEXATION.

The Kingdom of Spain issues a decleration of war on the Australian government for stepping on sovereign Djibouti territory. A peaceful way of resolving it would have been opening talks with the government of the state, but instead, Australia has decided to do whatever it needs to through force of arms. Although Spain cannot successfully put enough men in Djibouti to stop its annexation, it has issued a pledge to the government that it will be liberated, along with Somalia. Spain has also promised Ethiopia its support. There is absolutely no reason why Australian personnel should step foot in Djibouti without the explicit permission from the nation's government. Spain will not stand by to see yet another African country fall to Australian belligerence. We urge France and other European allies to follow up with their own decleration of war, and hope that our northern neighbor will rondevouz their fleet in the Mid-Mediterranean for a full blown operation south of the Red Sea. This decleration of war can be retracted before twenty-four hours should the Australian government step off Djiboutian soil.

The Republic of Italy stands by its allies and hereby issues a decleration of war against Australia, the Giuseppe Garibaldi, two Audace class DDs and two Maestrale class frigates will rendevous with the spanish fleet off of Pantelerria and will be placed under the command of a Spanish Admiral.

Lithuanian Troops are ordered not to fire upon the Australians Troops.

OOC: Do you know Russian Troops wouldn't like this. You better get ready for a war.

Umm...Ya..we asked the government, assumed no reply. No reply from the USA guy either (its been like two RL weeks for this), we are crossing the border to smash the terrorists.

FYI I am assuming our troops are allowed by the government, its not annexation.

[OOC: If you received no reply then the government obviously doesn't care for your politics, and so is opposed to your interdiction in the matter. At least, that's the assumption Spain will make, especially since Spain is really ready for a fight.]

[OOC: If you received no reply then the government obviously doesn't care for your politics, and so is opposed to your interdiction in the matter. At least, that's the assumption Spain will make, especially since Spain is really ready for a fight.]

The nation is NPC its not played by anyone....it can't possibly make a yes or no reply.

Iran now has no choice but to anounce that a state of war exists between Australia and Iran. We have ordered what limited forces we have in Dijibouti to try to get over the border to Ethiopia now while they have the chance.

Due to the situation in Djibouti, the Islamic Federation is hereby declaring war on the Commonwealth of Australia

The nation is NPC its not played by anyone....it can't possibly make a yes or no reply.

[OOC: Then you should have waited until SafeHaven2 took it as a NPC.]

20 Nautical Miles Off the Coast of Pantelleria
The flagship of Carrier Task Force Santander, the Príncipe de Asturias, stopped just off the coast of Pantelleria sometime around noon two days after it had departed Cádiz, being refueled by Italian tankers from Taranto. The entire flotilla was commanded by Admiral Ignacio Lorca, a very well respective naval officer that hd seen service for NATO, and now was one of Spain's top commanders. He sat on the bridge of the ship, looking through the recently installed photonic telescope at the horizon. A faint outline of a ship had already been reported, but he could see it clearly through this; and it made him smile - right on schedule. It was the Giuseppe Garibaldi, one of two current Italian carriers that would soon be under his command, as well as the Audace and the Ardito, the two Italian Audace class Destroyers, and finally, the team of Maestrale class Frigates, the Libeccio and the Espero. Meaning, in total, the armada placed under Spanish command boasted three lightweight carriers, two destroyers and a total of seven frigates, plus the inclusion of a large host of troop transports, small time escorts for these, and logistics shipping. It was a very powerful naval force, and if needed the Spanish could send more, and hopefully the French would soon offer their own fleets to bolster this task force. But even if not, it was not doubted that the task force would cut off Australia from its troops in Somalia, meaning those personnel would starve to death, and Somalia would be fully liberated.

Within two hours the entire fleet had been fully organized, and it made its way to the Red Sea. It would be roughly another two days before the entire fleet had entered the Red Sea, through the Suez, and a day after that before it entered the coasts of Djibouti and Somalia, hitting open ocean. There the fleet would be able to conduct operations freely, destroying any Australian shipping in the area and closing Australian Somalia to all trade. The Spanish state was not joking around when it had declared war, and it was fully prepared to invest what Australia had, and pry it out of their hands. Australia's pompous attitude had gone to far, and it was now time that the country learn its place in the world - the dead bottom.

Little did he know that he had additional help under the waves. Indeed, the S-74 and S-73 S-70 class diesel submarines were planning operations off the coast of Somalia, supporting the surface fleet, and they were ordered to base themselves off the tanker and replenishment ships of the surface fleet until the city of Djibouti could be effectively taken and secured, allowing its port for resupplying and replenishing diesel stocks. Nonetheless, the aid of two submarines would be indispensible, and Spain very well understood the damage submarines had done in prior wars, and were prepared to mirror the effects. Over the waves, and what's more, over the atmosphere, two satellites were making three passes a day, each, over Somalia and Djibouti, outlining Australian military bases, and most importantly, Australian naval assets; both civilian and military. These feeds went directly to Admiral Lorca and his fleet, so they were well prepared for operations. Spain was preparing for anything.

[OOC: So, in other words, although ICly I wouldn't know all of it, what is your naval disposition in the area?]

Umm.....I don't think the Mediterranean has a way into the red sea....because I was already thinking of this for sending aid and support to Italy.

About the ships....let me get it. I have 360 ships for the entire conflict which I ordered.

Tobruk Class Ships: 15
Kanimbla class Landing Platform Amphibious: 100
Balikpapan class Landing Craft Heavy: 45
Guided Missile Frigates: 5
Submarines: 5

Submarine Tenders: 3
Nimitz-class Aircraft Carrier: 1
Naval Command Ship: 1
Battleships: 10
AEGIS Radar ships: 5
Patrol boats: 60

Cargo Ships: 70
Fleet Suppliers/Oil Tankers: 20
Troop Logistics Supplies: 20

Total for Operation Humanity 360 Ships

By the way....you know Australia has been expecting a counter-attack from any nation for a LONG LONG time. They've gone far beyond what you think is a simple capture. It's been almost two years that Somalia has been under their control. They've built naval ports, Australian businesses and have set up hospitals, power plants, water/sewage systems, farming, solid construction of housing, schools.

As a result they won't know that we've built so-called Research Centers, which are really Radar stations similar to those in northern Australia (with a range of 3000 miles so they can spot potentional threats long ahead of time). Australia isn't excactly weak in Somalia.

[OOC: The Suez doesn't ring a bell? In any case, I'm not recognizing that fleet - how and where did you get it? This is the Australian fleet 2006:

8x Anzac Class Frigates
5x Adelaide Class Frigates
10x Fremantle class patrol boat
3x Armidale Class Patrol Boats
6x Collins Class Submarines

By 2010 Australia planned for 14 more Armidale class Patrol Boats, and the retirement of 1 Adelaide. You're claiming a carrier, five out of six submarines you should have period, 60 patrol boats 10 battleships, a naval command ship, twenty logistics ships, twenty tankers and seventy cargo ships. It would take at least a period of twenty-five years to build those battleships alone, and that's assuming you could even afford them, which you can't - even the United States doesn't return the battleship to service due to maintenance costs and requirements. The fleet is completely unbelievable, and I'm going to get a mod to call something on this because it's rediculous to the point that I don't even think it's worth roleplaying with you, who completely avoids realities.]

[OOC: The Suez doesn't ring a bell? In any case, I'm not recognizing that fleet - how and where did you get it? This is the Australian fleet 2006:

8x Anzac Class Frigates
5x Adelaide Class Frigates
10x Fremantle class patrol boat
3x Armidale Class Patrol Boats
6x Collins Class Submarines

By 2010 Australia planned for 14 more Armidale class Patrol Boats, and the retirement of 1 Adelaide. You're claiming a carrier, five out of six submarines you should have period, 60 patrol boats 10 battleships, a naval command ship, twenty logistics ships, twenty tankers and seventy cargo ships. It would take at least a period of twenty-five years to build those battleships alone, and that's assuming you could even afford them, which you can't - even the United States doesn't return the battleship to service due to maintenance costs and requirements. The fleet is completely unbelievable, and I'm going to get a mod to call something on this because it's rediculous to the point that I don't even think it's worth roleplaying with you, who completely avoids realities.]

Mac...When I started Australia I started reworking how my nation works COMPLETELY. I put Australia in debt $600 Billion for this, just to take Somalia. Buying up crappy moth-balled ships from the WWII era is not exactly going to cost that much. They suck and aren't good, and I know that.

The ships have been old and aren't even good, but its been nearly 5 years. I suggest you look at the old posts...cause I also mentioned building a huge military base set-up on Melville Island. Yes we are militaristic now, you'd be surprised what a nation can do with 3 years to prepare for taking Somalia. I also said my troops were being trained for jungle and urban fighting. I RPed constructing 3 new construction yards and a little of taking Somalia (albeit I didn't follow up and I am ashamed of that and I think I should do more just for fullness).

Edit: BTW its godmodding to force what you THINK I'll have by a certain date when I have RPed otherwise. If I am doing cold plasma weaponry and slapping them on missiles and putting them into service in 2011 (for service hopefully in mid 2011) then I think my nations intentions are truely different then what you expected.

[OOC: And the United States accepted this? Please, do you have any form of clue of how much this would cost you, and how large of an impossibility this is? You are realistically tens of trillions of US dollars in debt, especially due to maintenance cost of all this, and the fact that such a large purchase so fast would mean you don't have the trained crew to man the ships. The fleet is completely unrealistic, and as of now, it's completely ignored. I'm sorry, it's just an impossibility. It's taking me three years to procure an already built ship from the UK, and that's not even sure - that's realistic.

EDIT: Ummmmmmm...do you have any clue on what the word godmodding means? It's not godmodding - I'm telling you what's realistic. By your logic I could say Spain has 30 dreadnoughts, and since you can't tell me otherwise, my knowledge is infallable. Please.]

[OOC: And the United States accepted this? Please, do you have any form of clue of how much this would cost you, and how large of an impossibility this is? You are realistically tens of trillions of US dollars in debt, especially due to maintenance cost of all this, and the fact that such a large purchase so fast would mean you don't have the trained crew to man the ships. The fleet is completely unrealistic, and as of now, it's completely ignored. I'm sorry, it's just an impossibility. It's taking me three years to procure an already built ship from the UK, and that's not even sure - that's realistic.

EDIT: Ummmmmmm...do you have any clue on what the word godmodding means? It's not godmodding - I'm telling you what's realistic. By your logic I could say Spain has 30 dreadnoughts, and since you can't tell me otherwise, my knowledge is infallable. Please.]

Who says they are US ships? Also you are forcing total shit on me Macabees. Tens of trillions in debt is crap. Go take your damn false numbers out of this thread otherwise. $600 billion is a HUGE amount. If a Nimitz takes $5 billion to build an 5 years to construct, that's still a drop in the bucket for building an army of 30,000 for Australia.

The cargo ships....are standard cargo ships sending supplies (business type ships) that were moved down to just 5 inactuality after the operation. (They were commandeered for the inital operation)

Edit: Oh ya....if this was barely accepted for the operation, how can it not be now? Since most of the ships were business ships those numbers I gave aren't realistic...let me recheck.

Who says they are US ships? Also you are forcing total shit on me Macabees. Tens of trillions in debt is crap. Go take your damn false numbers out of this thread otherwise. $600 billion is a HUGE amount. If a Nimitz takes $5 billion to build an 5 years to construct, that's still a drop in the bucket for building an army of 30,000 for Australia.



Are you considering the logistic's and training to build a carrier, and were else would you get Battleships and a Nimitz besides the US ?(Hell, the US doesn't even HAVE 10 battleships in mothballs, the NJ and Missouri are museums and the Iowa will be soon, and i am extreamly doubtful the Us would sell the Wisconsin to Australia)

Are you considering the logistic's and training to build a carrier, and were else would you get Battleships and a Nimitz besides the US ?(Hell, the US doesn't even HAVE 10 battleships in mothballs, the NJ and Missouri are museums and the Iowa will be soon, and i am extreamly doubtful the Us would sell the Wisconsin to Australia)

Lol...they aren't as good as you think they are. Utter crap is more like it. Floating platforms with 16 inch guns. A helicopter pad and very small and compact. Not exactly well armored (cause heavy armor doesn't work well on ships today with Exocets >.>)

The carrier is not a Nimitz...I was using that as an example. It can only hold a squadon. (I think I mentioned that before on the invasion, that air support was so little it was just a squadron).

The force is weak, its ment for a large expanse, but its not high-tech or amazing. I am working on a few ship designs for 2011 though. Surprises will come, but this is not a good force...and I know it.

The Duma has authroized 100,000 combat troops to be sent to Djibouti and Ethiopia to protect their sovereignty. Putin offered Austrailia a last warning to back down or watch it be decimated: "If Austrailia contunes to show aggression, we will not hesitate to annihilate them and we certainly have the capability to do so."

OOC: Seems the world just broke down to hell...so much for the UN. Reserved meaning I would post when I had a chance.

Subscribing...Reserved also.

OOC: Huh? What's reserved?

OOC: okay, a bit of fixing here. Asbena, even with your debt and military spending, he's right, that's far too much. I'm estimating an armed force that makes up over 400,000 personnel for you, which is just absurd for a nation like Australia, especially a modern one. You need to RP more economic trouble, including possibly a dropping GDP (yes, it should be falling).
Also, your spending exceeds your debt and budget (yes, I'm accounting for the multiple years). Heck, just the training needed for the new personnel and the costs of the war easily exceed that $600 billion. Then $150+ billion payroll and soldier upkeep. Military acquisition, including ships, munitions, supplies, aircraft, and ground vehicles, is probably exceeding $350 billion as well. All in all, I'd estimate you're around $1 trillion in the hole.

Battleships, it doesn't matter what they are. There are no such ships to purchase, so you have to have built them yourself. This means a few years R&D, a few years to construct the facilities to build them (no, they don't exist anymore), and then several years for construction. But that's not all, you also need sea trials after launch before they're commissioned. Having new ships commissioned within 10 years of project start is often unlikely. It shouldn't be until at least 2015 that we see them, probably 2020.


Also, heavy armor is exactly what you want against an Exocet. The missile can only penetrate 2.75 inches (70mm) of steel. Some WWII destroyers, and almost all light cruisers and larger, could actually survive Exocet strikes better than similar sized modern vessels.

OOC: You could say Aramaki nationalized everything and concentrated everything on the military like in North Korea... Also, Asbena please reply so Russia can own you...I may have to go to bed soon. :(

EDIT: I have to go to bed now...:(

The Lithuanian Troops have gone back to the capital of Djibouti. They are making a stand here. Also they ask the President to call up a army to protect the country.

Australian troops have left Djibouti, apparently the raid only lasted a few hours, but content, Australian troops left, rather then incure the wrath of Russia. Aramaki made no reply other then: "It's handled" to Russia.

500 troops more troops have entered Djibouti. Making the total number number of Lithuanian Troops to 1,000. About half of them are along the border of Somalia. The Lithuanian Government ask the Djiboutian Government to make a regular army. Also that they would train the army and work along side them.

OOC: okay, a bit of fixing here. Asbena, even with your debt and military spending, he's right, that's far too much. I'm estimating an armed force that makes up over 350,000 personnel for you, which is just absurd for a nation like Australia, especially a modern one. You need to RP more economic trouble, including possibly a dropping GDP (yes, it should be falling).
Also, your spending exceeds your debt and budget (yes, I'm accounting for the multiple years). Heck, just the training needed for the new personnel and the costs of the war easily exceed that $600 billion. Then $150+ billion payroll and soldier upkeep. Military acquisition, including ships, munitions, supplies, aircraft, and ground vehicles, is probably exceeding $350 billion as well. All in all, I'd estimate you're around $1 trillion in the hole.

Battleships, it doesn't matter what they are. There are no such ships to purchase, so you have to have built them yourself. This means a few years R&D, a few years to construct the facilities to build them (no, they don't exist anymore), and then several years for construction. But that's not all, you also need sea trials after launch before they're commissioned. Having new ships commissioned within 10 years of project start is often unlikely. It shouldn't be until at least 2015 that we see them, probably 2020.


Also, heavy armor is exactly what you want against an Exocet. The missile can only penetrate 2.75 inches (70mm) of steel. Some WWII destroyers, and almost all light cruisers and larger, could actually survive Exocet strikes better than similar sized modern vessels.


One....We have one tenth that number of troops. We can't possible support 300,000 with a population of 20 million. We aren't using aircraft. The ground and naval forces still exist. Though we are $600 billion in the hole for the operation. The forces are still a driving force into Somalia. If you think 300,000 troops for a 1 trillion debt, then going this far with 1/10th them shall show our true purpose to correct, fix, reorganize and secure Somlila.
CSJ could please give me an idea for 30,000 troops for this operation. (Not 300,000)

The GDP would be pretty constant, its changing for the business and businesses are setting up in Australia.

OOC: So you took Somalia, a country far out of reach for Australia, with two divisions worth of troops? This entire African campaign should be scrapped, and ten battleships...wow. This fleet is still under ignore until you revise those rediculous numbers.

OOC: So you took Somalia, a country far out of reach for Australia, with two divisions worth of troops? This entire African campaign should be scrapped, and ten battleships...wow. This fleet is still under ignore until you revise those rediculous numbers.

Highly possible, but the 10 battleships aren't the type you think. They are utter crap and have no real armor. Its only because of their guns I'll even call them battleships.

OOC - And how do you build the guns and shells? Who in Australia (or the rest of the world) really knows exactly how to build massive guns and shells any more? Eight-inch guns were last built at least fifty years before 2010, and sixteen-inch guns over seventy years before 2010. The shells might be easier, but even then...

Red Sea
With the Australian pull out of Djibouti to avoid Russian intervention, the Spaniards found themselves with some extra time, although Madrid didn't seem at all ready to retract the decleration of war, especially since the Australians had been so diplomatically rude and had made sure to rub in that it was because of Russia's intervention that they were willing to leave Djibouti, after they had conducted their operations. Spain wasn't sold, and they would prove that. The fleet made its way through the Suez Canal, a couple ships at a time, and recollecting in the northern area of the Red Sea. By midday the fleet would be ready to move south, where the ground forces would be left in Djibouti, allowing them to quickly deploy in Southern Ethiopia, after the country had allowed any allied aid against Australia. The day after that, the fleet would be ready to enter Somalian waters and face off the Australian fleet. In fact, the Task Force would park itself some sixty nautical miles from Australian's own ships and sit there, beginning operations.

According to intelligence, the majority of the Australian fleet found itself off Somalia, giving Spain the perfect opportunity to give a death telling blow to newfound Australian naval prowess, and causing so much damage that Australia's fleet would find itself outmatched by the Thai and Malay navies. Indeed, Australia had picked the wrong path to take when it had goaded Spain into war. They would soon find out just how true that was.

OOC: How can you be in the Red Sea?! It's impossible!

OOC: How can you be in the Red Sea?! It's impossible!

OOC: Looking at his post, he indicated he used the Suez Canal, trickling ships by twosies and collecting them in the northern bits of the Red Sea.

OOC: I'm guessing that he masssed his fleet in the Meditteranean, then went through the canal, into the Red Sea, because the Suez Canal does lead into the Red Sea

IC: South Africa offers to mediate this conflict between both nations

One....We have one tenth that number of troops. We can't possible support 300,000 with a population of 20 million. We aren't using aircraft. The ground and naval forces still exist. Though we are $600 billion in the hole for the operation. The forces are still a driving force into Somalia. If you think 300,000 troops for a 1 trillion debt, then going this far with 1/10th them shall show our true purpose to correct, fix, reorganize and secure Somlila.
CSJ could please give me an idea for 30,000 troops for this operation. (Not 300,000)

The GDP would be pretty constant, its changing for the business and businesses are setting up in Australia.
Look at your military, and please don't try to tell me you have that few troops. This is covering just what is known, based on current forces and what you've claimed for this and the response to the Argentine fleet. Consider:
5 Aegis ships (all Ticonderoga, making up the full list of baseline 0 & 1, as the other 22 will soldier on past 2025): 1935 crew

You actually can't have a used Nimitz carrier, since there are none to be stricken until 2025 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cvn-68-unit.htm). Even the Enterprise is going to soldier on until 2013 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cvn-65-unit.htm), and JFK goes to 2018 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cv-67-unit.htm). But, you can have a Kitty Hawk, which are all gone by 2008 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cv-63-unit.htm): 7630 crew, including air wing

8 ANZAC Frigates (at least): 1304 crew
6 Adelaide Frigates: 1140 crew
10 Collins Submarines (5 in Africa, at least 5 claimed still in Australia): 420 crew

6 Huon Minehunters (probably much more): 216 crew
2 Bandicoot Minehunters: 24 crew

100 Kanimbla Transports: 18,000 crew
45 Balikpapan Landing Craft: 540 crew
15 Tobruk Landing Ships: 1020 crew
60 Patrol Boats (probably at least 15 more): 1320 crew
10 Success? Multiproduct Replenishment Ships: 1770 crew
10 Westralia? Fleet Oilers: 600 crew
2 Pacific Survey Ship (probably more): 100 crew
90 assorted supply ships: ~4500 crew
Total: ~40,519


Actual Australian Navy today:
8 ANZAC Frigates (at least): 1304 crew
6 Adelaide Frigates: 1140 crew
6 Collins Submarines: 254 crew
6 Huon Minehunters: 216 crew
2 Bandicoot Minehunters: 24 crew
2 Kanimbla Transports: 360 crew
6 Balikpapan Landing Craft: 72 crew
1 Tobruk Landing Ship: 68 crew
15 Patrol Boats: 330 crew
1 Success Multiproduct Replenishment Ships: 177 crew
1 Westralia Fleet Oilers: 60 crew
2 Pacific Survey Ship (probably more): 100 crew
Total: 4095 crew

Total Personnel:
RL Australian Navy: 14,300
Estimate for this Australian Navy (based on known figures): 140,300
More Probable Estimate: 175,000



Your Air Force (at least)
600 F/A-18
20 P-3C Orion
24 C-130H
14 DHC-4
33 BAE Hawk
67 PC-9
50 CT/4
5 707 Transport/Tanker
3 Challenger 604
2 737 Business
Note that I know you have to have more transports and tankers based on the number of claimed F/A-18s and the African campaign, but haven't seen a listed number, so I'm going with RL. Also don't know if F-111Gs are retained, or other types may be in service.
Total Aircraft: 818
Total Airrew: 1500+


RL Australian Air Force:
35 F-111G
71 F/A-18
20 P-3C Orion
24 C-130H
14 DHC-4
33 BAE Hawk
67 PC-9
50 CT/4
5 707 Transport/Tanker
3 Challenger 604
2 737 Business
Total Aircraft: 324
Total Air Crew: 1000+

Current RAAF Personnel: 17,700
Estimate For Yours based on known figures: 45,000+
More Probable Estimate: 125,000 with likely additional combat and support aircraft


Wow, there's at least 200,000, and probably more like 300,000, right there. Now, the army of course is going to have to have at least the 25,400 current strength, plus the 30,000 army troops deployed overseas, plus additional support. 100,000 isn't unlikely. So yes, my estimate is that Australia is pulling around a total military of at least around 350,000-400,000 personnel.





Regarding the "battleships," as I said, you just can't have them. You're designing and building a new type of ship. First, you need a design phase, which usually lasts a few years. Then, since you have no capability to build the ship's components (specifically, the guns), you have to spend the time to construct the facilities to construct them. Then, you need to build them, which, while it can be done in 3 years or so, can't be done on 10 at once. Even the US never had that many dreadnought battleships under construction at once (the max was 8).
Mac and the others are right, even if they are crap, they still have components that you can't just up and build without preparation, they still have to designed before being built, and they still have to have the facilities to produce them built. 3 years only covers (possibly) construction and sea trials. But even then, you shouldn't be doing more than 2 at a time. I'd say the first two enter service around 2012 at the earliest, and then you can have 10 by 2020 with a crash production/procurement. But no, you cannot have that many of these that quickly. The only way to do so is to get second-hand stuff, which, as noted, simply does not exist.

OOC: Looking at his post, he indicated he used the Suez Canal, trickling ships by twosies and collecting them in the northern bits of the Red Sea.

Though I thought the Suez canal was only 12 meters deep in some places? This is hardly able to send warships through and its thinnest part is only 55 meters, both of these in which a warship cannot simply pass through. Or me not spotting him because I had radar being build on the top of Somalia to spot ships coming in and out of the Red Sea.

Though I thought the Suez canal was only 12 meters deep in some places? This is hardly able to send warships through and its thinnest part is only 55 meters, both of these in which a warship cannot simply pass through. Or me not spotting him because I had radar being build on the top of Somalia to spot ships coming in and out of the Red Sea.
Actually most modern warships can pass through the Suez. Even many lighter carriers can. 12 meters is actually a good 2-3 meters deeper than the draft of most of these. Large carriers like the Charles De Gaulle might not get through, but that's due to beam, not draft. Most warships have a draft of less than 10 meters

Though I thought the Suez canal was only 12 meters deep in some places? This is hardly able to send warships through and its thinnest part is only 55 meters, both of these in which a warship cannot simply pass through. Or me not spotting him because I had radar being build on the top of Somalia to spot ships coming in and out of the Red Sea.

[OOC: You could have spotted me through satellite to. Spotting me is irrelevent. My largest warship has a draft of 9.4 meters, so that shouldn't be a problem - that being the Principe de Asturias. The larger ship in tonnage - Buque de Proyección Estratégica - has a draft of 6.9m, IIRC, based on the Armada's official sight. Any ship with a draft of less than 16m can pass through the Suez Canal.]

I never said I had a Nimitz...
The battleships were battlecruisers and were 1940's design.
Many of my ships weren't REAL military ones, cause I could never produce all the ships on my own in just 3 years.

The call wasn't so great....let's just leave it cause this is giving me a headache now. Its not FUN anymore.

Umm.....I don't think the Mediterranean has a way into the red sea....because I was already thinking of this for sending aid and support to Italy.

About the ships....let me get it. I have 360 ships for the entire conflict which I ordered.

Tobruk Class Ships: 15
Kanimbla class Landing Platform Amphibious: 100
Balikpapan class Landing Craft Heavy: 45
Guided Missile Frigates: 5
Submarines: 5

Submarine Tenders: 3
Nimitz-class Aircraft Carrier: 1
Naval Command Ship: 1
Battleships: 10
AEGIS Radar ships: 5
Patrol boats: 60

Cargo Ships: 70
Fleet Suppliers/Oil Tankers: 20
Troop Logistics Supplies: 20

Total for Operation Humanity 360 Ships
That looks like a claimed Nimitz to me . . .

[OOC: You could have spotted me through satellite to. Spotting me is irrelevent. My largest warship has a draft of 9.4 meters, so that shouldn't be a problem - that being the Principe de Asturias. The larger ship in tonnage - Buque de Proyección Estratégica - has a draft of 6.9m, IIRC, based on the Armada's official sight. Any ship with a draft of less than 16m can pass through the Suez Canal.]

That is height not draft. The width though is too long for the canal. It can't fit through.

That looks like a claimed Nimitz to me . . .

O.o Wrong sheet... x-x dammit. Sorry.

OOC: Draft is the how deep below the water the hull goes

[ooc: this world has thrown to chaos...

why are you guys using your navies? you have perfectly fine aircraft that can transport units effectively and efficiently...and where does it say that Australia invaded Djibouti? and why are we saying that the USA controls Djibouti? aie...please, get me my aspirin and mon chapeau...]

[ooc: this world has thrown to chaos...

why are you guys using your navies? you have perfectly fine aircraft that can transport units effectively and efficiently...and where does it say that Australia invaded Djibouti? and why are we saying that the USA controls Djibouti? aie...please, get me my aspirin and mon chapeau...]

My navy is aiding my troops in holding Somalia. Its a long way to send supplies for construction by aircraft...not efficent for one. Australia invaded Djibouti and cleared out in a few NS hours after a border raid on the terrorist scum. USA has a base in Djibouti and thus should have a say about Lithuania invasion, and training of Djibouti troops.

[ooc: the base in Djibouti is a supply stop...not a training depot...the USA has no real effective say on the policies of the Djiboutian military...but likewise, I thought France told Lithuania to get out Djibouti...The only country that authorized troop presences is Ethiopia [from Russia...]. Djibouti should only have American planes and ships...nothing more...

PLEASE, STOP INFRINGING THE SOVEREIGNTY OF DJIBOUTI!!!

if there's an NPC for Djibouti, tell me how is authorized to be on Djiboutian territory...because that will clear up everything [Lithuania, Sel Appa denied your NPC status over Djibouti, so stop giving Australia an incentive to invade Djibouti...].]

OOC: I took advantage of the confusion on Lithuania's side...but he sent in 500 more extra and wasn't heeding Sel's command. Now Russia has more troops in Djibouti then I have in all of Somalia...though I wonder how they get there or what's the point.

Australian troops were in Djibouti for only a few hours, nothing more.

OOC: Sel Appa in character gave the right for Lithuanian troops to go there. Also Russian troops were going in there soon so I sent people to help Russia.

OOC: Sel Appa in character gave the right for Lithuanian troops to go there. Also Russian troops were going in there soon so I sent people to help Russia.

*sigh* Read what Naktan wrote, cause I think he's right.

OOC: Sel Appa in character gave the right for Lithuanian troops to go there. Also Russian troops were going in there soon so I sent people to help Russia.

Where's the thread?

That is height not draft. The width though is too long for the canal. It can't fit through.

[OOC: That's the height of the ship underwater, which is the draft. By 2010 the Suez was planned to allow drafts of up to 22m. There have been ships with larger widths and beams than my ships that have gone through the canal, sorry. All three carriers in the task force are light carriers.

EDIT: Naktan, I'm using my navy because it's arguably the best part of the Spanish military, while an operation in Somalia would require massive supply convoys, which would require that the Red Sea be open. In order to ensure this I have to destroy the Australian navy, which would effectively not only open the Red Sea to my shipping, but would cut Australia off from its own colonies, sealing the fate of Australian soldiers.]

Right here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472150

[OOC: That's the height of the ship underwater, which is the draft. By 2010 the Suez was planned to allow drafts of up to 22m. There have been ships with larger widths and beams than my ships that have gone through the canal, sorry. All three carriers in the task force are light carriers.

EDIT: Naktan, I'm using my navy because it's arguably the best part of the Spanish military, while an operation in Somalia would require massive supply convoys, which would require that the Red Sea be open. In order to ensure this I have to destroy the Australian navy, which would effectively not only open the Red Sea to my shipping, but would cut Australia off from its own colonies, sealing the fate of Australian soldiers.]

OOC: Say, I think I saw a pic once of the Nimitz going through the Suez.....just sayin.

"Well from what I'm told Ethiopia just needs us to keep the foundation stable until it can set its own, if you will. And there is talk of Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Eritrea uniting. You can stay in Djibouti and help out. If Austrailia causes trouble, Russia will gladly defend its fellow Slavs as we have done always. On Kaliningrad, perhaps we could work out some sort of deal..."

[ooc: Well, I guess Lithuania was right about keeping his troops there, although I am almost positive that Sel Appa also denied your status as NPC over Djibouti...and BTW, Lithuanians are Baltic, not Slavic...]

[OOC: That's the height of the ship underwater, which is the draft. By 2010 the Suez was planned to allow drafts of up to 22m. There have been ships with larger widths and beams than my ships that have gone through the canal, sorry. All three carriers in the task force are light carriers.

EDIT: Naktan, I'm using my navy because it's arguably the best part of the Spanish military, while an operation in Somalia would require massive supply convoys, which would require that the Red Sea be open. In order to ensure this I have to destroy the Australian navy, which would effectively not only open the Red Sea to my shipping, but would cut Australia off from its own colonies, sealing the fate of Australian soldiers.]

Fine...its okay. Your just in a very very very very VERY dangerous position cause we are importing fuel from Saudi Arabia.

EDIT: Naktan, I'm using my navy because it's arguably the best part of the Spanish military, while an operation in Somalia would require massive supply convoys, which would require that the Red Sea be open. In order to ensure this I have to destroy the Australian navy, which would effectively not only open the Red Sea to my shipping, but would cut Australia off from its own colonies, sealing the fate of Australian soldiers.]

[ooc: that may be wortwhile, but you still have to ask the Egyptian goverrnment...wherever he is...do we even have an Egypt?]

ooc: he did denied me the power of npc of djibouti, but the power of npc over djibouti is Safehaven2. He asked awhile ago.

OOC: Nice, Austrailia was scared by our threat.

IC: NIGHT-A patrol truck rolls down its route and a watchman flashes his torch back and forth. He sees something glistening in the distance and turns off the torch and alerts his comrades. The sergeant takes night-vision binoculars and points them toward the place the watchman said. He saw faint outlines of about a dozen people. Shhh! He tapped out a silent signal on his radio calling for reinforcements. In the meantime, the four soldiers pointed their guns towards where the outlines were seen and waited. When a second truck with eight more soldiers came they charged on what they thought was the enemy. The outlines, Austrailian soldiers, opened fire. Two Russians were shot and killed and one wounded. Four Austrailians were killed and eight wounded who were then taken prisoner.

Ethiopia made a statement that its citizens be returned in exchange for the Austrailians soldiers. They also said that Austrailia had taken innocent people and killed three civilians.

Five hundred Lithuanian troops have been placed along the border. They have the orders to shoot upon any Australian soldiers who cross the border with weapons. Along the border the troops have started to make camps and small bases for themselves.

OOC: Sel Appa can I be in charge of the border between Somalia and Djibouti.

[ooc: that may be wortwhile, but you still have to ask the Egyptian goverrnment...wherever he is...do we even have an Egypt?]

[OOC: I have to ask the international military overseers in the Suez, not Egypt - which is basically NATO. Being a NATO country I can assume I can pass, or I can do so without asking. If NATO, namely the USA, tells me to get out, I will...but so far, the USA has been rather inactive in international politics.]

[ooc: Australia invaded Ethiopia too??? and what does Safehaven say?]

[OOC: I have to ask the international military overseers in the Suez, not Egypt - which is basically NATO. Being a NATO country I can assume I can pass, or I can do so without asking. If NATO, namely the USA, tells me to get out, I will...but so far, the USA has been rather inactive in international politics.]

Egypt owns the Suez Canal...need I say that again?

Egypt owns the Suez Canal...need I say that again?

[OOC: No it doesn't. Nasser tried to nationalize the canal in 1956, and there was an Israeli invasion, followed by a French and English invasion. By the end of the war the canal was still nationalized, but it was internationalized after the 1967 war. Look at the link I gave you - the Suez Canal's international sovereignty is looked over by the MFO. It's on the other thread.]

MFO maintains neutrality of the Sinai peninsula...

And I was wrong about the nationalization...in 1978, Egypt privatized the Canal, creating the RAFIMAR...http://www.rafimar.com/profile.html...so it's a private company, meaning that you guys can move your ships if you've got the money to do it :p

MFO maintains neutrality of the Sinai peninsula...

And I was wrong about the nationalization...in 1978, Egypt privatized the Canal, creating the RAFIMAR...http://www.rafimar.com/profile.html...so it's a private company, meaning that you guys can move your ships if you've got the money to do it :p

[OOC: With all the money being thrown around by the Aussies, that shouldn't be a problem for them; it shouldn't be a problem for Spain either, especially coupling Italian support.]

OOC: Nice, Austrailia was scared by our threat.

IC: NIGHT-A patrol truck rolls down its route and a watchman flashes his torch back and forth. He sees something glistening in the distance and turns off the torch and alerts his comrades. The sergeant takes night-vision binoculars and points them toward the place the watchman said. He saw faint outlines of about a dozen people. Shhh! He tapped out a silent signal on his radio calling for reinforcements. In the meantime, the four soldiers pointed their guns towards where the outlines were seen and waited. When a second truck with eight more soldiers came they charged on what they thought was the enemy. The outlines, Austrailian soldiers, opened fire. Two Russians were shot and killed and one wounded. Four Austrailians were killed and eight wounded who were then taken prisoner.

Ethiopia made a statement that its citizens be returned in exchange for the Austrailians soldiers. They also said that Austrailia had taken innocent people and killed three civilians.


Umm...i'm ignoring that. You have no idea of my border troops, equipment or what they are doing. Then you RPed the fight and everything done. Besides our people haven't set foot on Ethiopian soil.

Five hundred Lithuanian troops have been placed along the border. They have the orders to shoot upon any Australian soldiers who cross the border with weapons. Along the border the troops have started to make camps and small bases for themselves.

OOC: Sel Appa can I be in charge of the border between Somalia and Djibouti.

WTF! This is not even right. This is BS and you now it. Our troops haven't done anything IC as Sel said.

The following states are now at war with Australia:

Spain, Italy, Iran, the Islamic Federation.

[ooc: and where's Safehaven? he needs to be here...it's his country right now...]

EDIT: Here are the posts:

Iran http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10562477&postcount=42

Italy http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10561892&postcount=37

Islamic Federation http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10564183&postcount=43

Spain [need I say?]

The following states are now at war with Australia:

Spain, Italy, Iran, the Islamic Federation.

[ooc: and where's Safehaven? he needs to be here...it's his country right now...]

Umm this is BS. I don't see anything of that. Post stuff.

WTF! This is not even right. This is BS and you now it. Our troops haven't done anything IC as Sel said.

OOC: It's because of your threats against our actions in Djibouti

OOC: It's because of your threats against our actions in Djibouti

OOC can't be used ICly and your IC actions don't make sense. We've LEFT djibouti completely, we aren't even on the damn border!

OOC: It's the border between Somailia and Djibouti.

This thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10568248#post10568248


You can move your troops there...but they won't see squat.

Umm...i'm ignoring that. You have no idea of my border troops, equipment or what they are doing. Then you RPed the fight and everything done. Besides our people haven't set foot on Ethiopian soil.
Fine, how about we ignore your entire invasion. Also, how did you get in and out undetected. Austrailians are not that well trained.

>.> Not now Sel.
I'd be glad to RP it, but we have static defenses in some spots and mobile patrols in the others with TANKS not regular vehicles as you think. Now I am busy as hell cause of Maca. I don't know what the hell is going on and it needs to be sorted out now.

http://toledo320.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/flag.gif

The Saudi Government has grown weary and annoyed with your presence in the Red Sea, and your blatant imperalism within the predominantly muslim nation of Somalia. With this warning, were are offering 48 hours to remove your fleet from the Red Sea, or face dire and severe reprocussions.

http://toledo320.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/flag.gif

The Saudi Government has grown weary and annoyed with your presence in the Red Sea, and your blatant imperalism within the predominantly muslim nation of Somalia. With this warning, were are offering 48 hours to remove your fleet from the Red Sea, or face dire and severe reprocussions.

OOC: This makes no sense. Its at the very end of the Red Sea/Indian Ocean line. Its not even near Saudi Arabia. Its by Yemen. Spain is in the Red Sea. We aren't past Somalia border.

OOC: This makes no sense. Its at the very end of the Red Sea/Indian Ocean line. Its not even near Saudi Arabia. Its by Yemen. Spain is in the Red Sea. We aren't past Somalia border.


OOC- Im taking control of the Western shore of Yemen right now, during the border war.

OOC: Need Australia to back Saudi Arabia up? If you want I can do an IC thing for it...but my troops are getting pretty spread out. I could barely spare a battalion to South Africa. We are getting oil from Saudi Arabia, we'd be happy to help out, cause it secures an area in which we dare not go. (Middle east has resources, but its not convientant or wise to control both sides of the sea.)

<Snip>

(No, The House of Saud's is pissed off at you over Somalia, and wants you to leave.)

(No, The House of Saud's is pissed off at you over Somalia, and wants you to leave.)

OOC: You do realize that I have already been in Somalia for a year and you accepted the contract while it was under our control FOR Somalia!?

OOC: You do realize that I have already been in Somalia for a year and you accepted the contract while it was under our control FOR Somalia!?


OOC-Yes i do, but they have been monitering the occupation, along with your interests in Vietnam, Singapore, and Bangledesh, and do no like it, and have decided to take action, instead of sitting around.

OOC: And he found it profitable now to break that contract and attack you. Any nation can declare war for any reason they'd like to. You don't need to go to war for good reasons. Just count most of the wars throughout history.

OOC-Yes i do, but they have been monitering the occupation, along with your interests in Vietnam, Singapore, and Bangledesh, and do no like it, and have decided to take action, instead of sitting around.

OOC:Singapore is Telegram IC....you wouldn't know our dealings.
Bangledesh has only had minimal change. Vietnam is using foriegn labor to rebuild. I don't see why. Even with the US in Iraq oil was not cut off to the America. What is the problem?

Mac...shut up.

OOC:Singapore is Telegram IC....you wouldn't know our dealings.
Bangledesh has only had minimal change. Vietnam is using foriegn labor to rebuild. I don't see why. Even with the US in Iraq oil was not cut off to the America. What is the problem?

Mac...shut up.

OOC-Easy, Saudi Arabia has grow tired of you, it is a simple as that, now stop trying to either get me to retcon it or ignore it altogether, stuff happens, no matter how it may effect you.

OOC: I'll post an IC response to this. Though how many months was this open?

OOC: I'll post an IC response to this. Though how many months was this open?

(Im guessing around 4-6 months)

OOC: Lol....Let's say 5. Still means 10 x 30 x 5 so 1.5 billion barrels. Which is more then Somalia needs....

OOC-Yes i do, but they have been monitering the occupation, along with your interests in Vietnam, Singapore, and Bangledesh, and do no like it, and have decided to take action, instead of sitting around.

[ooc: I hate to say this but if Saudi Arabia signed a contract, they are bound by that contract accordingly by international law. And while you don't need a good reason to go to war, it would be a whole lot better if you did. Saudi Arabia has a right to deny this contract if Australia proves to be a menace to Saudi Arabia itself - not to its neighbors; seeing as this is the case, Australia has a case against Saudi Arabia in the ICJ... that said, if Saudi Arabia feels that Somalia is of greater importance than their contract, they are free to break that obligation, aware of the consequences of their actions.

Are we continuing the peace thread or not?

And this unfortunately has little to do with Djibouti...please post in the appropriate thread...


And another note, Spain...saying that you don't need a good reason to go war in some way legitimizes Australia's invasion of Somalia, as it was an invasion for not a very good reason [a mon avis...]; nonetheless, saying that one time it's okay and at other times it's not is being hypocritical...]

[ooc: I hate to say this but if Saudi Arabia signed a contract, they are bound by that contract accordingly by international law. And while you don't need a good reason to go to war, it would be a whole lot better if you did. Saudi Arabia has a right to deny this contract if Australia proves to be a menace to Saudi Arabia itself - not to its neighbors; seeing as this is the case, Australia has a case against Saudi Arabia in the ICJ... that said, if Saudi Arabia feels that Somalia is of greater importance than their contract, they are free to break that obligation, aware of the consequences of their actions.

Are we continuing the peace thread or not?

And this unfortunately has little to do with Djibouti...please post in the appropriate thread...]

OOC-Yes, i know the consequences. Although i feel this is a little more "belivable" then the random Italian imperalism.

About the thread, i was not sure which would be appropriate.

OOC: I'll do it tomorrow, I doubt we'll let you go easy when you have a conflict going on at the same time to.