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The CARE Conference (Closed)

McKagan
05-03-2006, 04:50
[Kurora, McKagan]

The weather in Kurora was the same as usual. The most inland parts of the city were warm and humid, but the coastal region was being exposed to rain almost all day, everyday.

Despite the weather conditions here the city had actually grown the fastest of any McKagan city. The McKagan Military used it as a major base. Not only that, but the city's IT based economy had gotten cash flowing to an extent that several other major industrial zones were being completed. Moving towards small-scale manufacturing, the city was important for reasons other than the governments pleasure to use it as a diplomatic center.

At Kurora International Airport all was as it always seemed to be. A few cargo planes flew in, passenger planes came in from time to time. The corporate base was the busiest, with a nearly constant stream of small, private jets coming in. On the far edge of the airport was the industrial shipping zone.

What most didn't realize was that a large runway here had been bought by the McKagan Military. It stretched on a horizonal route from an area near the corporate zone and ran towards a set of what was known as 'private' docks. They're also owned and operated by the McKagan Government.

From that center of the airport a road route had been established that discreetly ran into the middle of corporate Kurora. At the building known as The Complex things were beginning to take shape. The highly secure compound was a major center for face-to-face meetings between foreign personnel and McKagan diplomats. It was a stable, secured environment. Not only that, but the McKagan Central Intelligence Division had bugged the building from the top to bottom and operated a major center on one of the lower floors.

Then, during all the relative calm, a discreet convoy from the IMA Outpost positioned on the eastern end of the airport left from the base. Headed by several COV-TMSC's, a COV-12 followed close behind. They moved quickly and quietly to a small hangar at the secret airfield. The thirty soldiers depart from their vehicles inside the hangar. They spread out around the base and secure the area. While they do this, another COV-TMSC comes from the west along the coastline and deposits a squad of soldiers to make sure no one breaches the concrete shore. Despite all the activity at the airfield, that's not the entier extent of the security being taken. A platoon of soldiers from the same IMA Battalion are deployed on the roadway between the airport and The Complex.

With security in place, it was time to put it to use.

[Encrypted Message]

To: All CARE Members
From: McKagan State Department
Subject: The CARE Conference

We have, in the last few weeks, seen the formation of an organization with the potential to shape the world and its politics for decades to come. Despite the great success we are already off to the organization still requires some grass root talks between members to survive. It's no shock. Please send your delegates to Kurora International Airport, Terminal 29. This is supposed to be a discreet meeting, so try to keep to small planes and a maximum of 10 armed guards.
The Beltway
05-03-2006, 05:07
A single Gulfstream V, purchased years ago, having received clearance from the tower, began to make its descent through the rainy skies over the coastline of Kurora. Aboard, former Secretary of State Madeline Albright sat, sleeping, in her chair; four guards sat nearby, each toting a small submachine gun. The pilot knew not to announce that they were landing; at her age, Albright needed her rest.

The plane soon touched down, and Albright awoke, rubbing her hands over her eyes. She was only a bit tired; a coffee would cure that. She unbuckled her seatbelt, got up from her seat, and was helped down the steps of the small ladder of the Gulfstream. The rain continued to fall as Albright looked for the McKagen representatives who would be taking her to the conference.

--Encrypted; secret--
To McKagen -
We have received your message; Madeline Albright, our representative at the conference, has been flown out to Kurora. Thank you, and we hope to have a successful meeting at Kurora.
Sincerely,
Mark Warner, Foreign Minister
--End of encrypted; no longer secret--

Fluid time rocks!
Luchamos
05-03-2006, 05:10
[Encrypted Message]

To: McKagan State Department
From: Araceli Eruzione, NPL Foriegn Secretary

I will be personally attending the conference. I will be taking off in a few hours with three staffers and 10 Epsilon Diplomatic Gaurds. See you soon
Xeraph
05-03-2006, 05:17
McKagan State Dept.,

As the Emperor may be taking personal oversight of potential involvement in the Yurka-Juumanistra situation, I will be attending the conference. I'll be arriving in about three hours via HCGS with my security team.

regards,

Vlad, Prince of the Empire.
McKagan
05-03-2006, 05:23
-snip-

As Albright exited the plane she was quickly intercepted by a group of McKagan State Department officials. "Right this way, ma'am," the lead official stated as the two IMA Soldiers flanking her walked towards the plane to talk to the pilot. The message to him was simple. "Ok sir, there's a good chance you'll be here for a while so we're going to have you move the plane on over to the terminal. Hook up there and they'll take care of you as long as you're here."

Albright was escorted across the tarmac and to the hangar. After walking through the large, open door she was greeted by an IMA Colonel. "Ok, you can take as many people out of the airport as you wish. However, it may be best to keep it to a minimum as we have only a set number of transports," he said while making a passing motion to a PFC manning a computer station on the side of a COV-12. He sent out a quick email, and the Blue ASI800 Sedan moved up to the hangar.

"If you're ready, this will take you to The Complex's lower garage."
The Beltway
05-03-2006, 05:30
"We have a total of eight people: myself, four guards, and three aides," Albright replied. "Any chance you could get me a coffee?"

Meanwhile, pilot Anne Quincey, upon hearing the State Department official's words, shouted out, in reply, "Got it, sir. Which way should we go?" She was a bit confused by the intense security procedures involved; this was only a diplomatic conference, after all, not some war-planning session.
Kahanistan
05-03-2006, 05:40
Senator Mohammed bin Abdul Haram flew into Kurora International Airport in an old Blackhawk, probably twenty years old. The controls were easy enough that the Senator could handle them well enough to fly with minimal training, which was a good thing, as most Kahanistanian officials liked to travel with as few guards or other staff as possible. The lack of need for a pilot was an advantage to the Senator in this respect.

He approached Terminal 29, looking for a helipad to land on.
Xeraph
05-03-2006, 05:55
As the Comanche MKII alighted near Terminal 29, a half-dozen Royal Marines jumped out and formed a tight guard around the Prince. All were clad in standard black battle-dress, all armed with the AK-47iiA and a Glock 9mm sidearm.

Prince Vlad himself had his Katanas strapped to his belt, and was packing a Beretta 9mm. He was most anxious to be in on this conference, as radical extremism was on the rise, and the Emperor was becoming increasingly agitated about it.

He saw the other arrivees just ahead and moved quickly to join them.....


ooc: I'm going to be gone until late afternoon tomorrow, but will catch up to you.
Luchamos
05-03-2006, 06:17
Araceli Eruzione's jet touched down. She stepped off the plane with her four staffers and 10 gaurds. She decided to leave two staffers and four gaurds in the plane to send messages back.

She walked toward the welcoming party...
McKagan
05-03-2006, 06:24
"We have a total of eight people: myself, four guards, and three aides," Albright replied. "Any chance you could get me a coffee?"

The Colonel cracked a smile. "This wouldn't be an IMA operation without coffee." He motioned to a Private, who promptly walked to the back of the hangar, behind the COV-12, and returned with a cup of steaming coffee. Colonel Yemit started to speak again, "If there's anything else you need just let someone know. We can take care of just about anything up here."

Meanwhile, pilot Anne Quincey, upon hearing the State Department official's words, shouted out, in reply, "Got it, sir. Which way should we go?" She was a bit confused by the intense security procedures involved; this was only a diplomatic conference, after all, not some war-planning session.

The IMA Soldiers responded promptly, trying to ensure that the private jet didn't end up running over a light or something.

"Straight ahead until you reach the blue line. Then make a right and follow it to the terminal. You can dock at any one of the ports there. We don't have any other traffic out here."

-snip-

Lucky for the Senator the Blackhawk had been identified as a non-hostile as it crossed the shoreline. Had it came in low and fast one of the Weapons Officers on a rooftop may have mistaken it for a terrorist on an attack run and put a KM-3 or two into it.

The tower began sending out a radio transmission.

"Blackhawk helicopter orbiting airport, please turn west and proceed 300 meters before sitting helicopter down. You will be intercepted by diplomatic staff at that point."

-snip-

It was considered bad diplomatic protocol to allow a diplomat or foreign delegate to roam free without a greeting for any great deal of time. Quickly after spotting the Xeraph delegation a MSD Official walked towards the Prince.

"Welcome to Kurora. Do you need anything, right this way, please."
The Beltway
05-03-2006, 06:55
"Thanks for the coffee, Colonel...Yemitt, is it?" Albright said, pronouncing the name she read on the uniform as 'Yem-ette.' She tasted the coffee - hot, yet quite invigorating.

"Yemit. I've heard worse manglings of my name," the Colonel replied. Albright then motioned to her staff and guards, who came up to where she was. She then said, "Colonel Yemit, whenever you're ready for us to get in, we're ready."

Meanwhile, Anne Quincey, upon hearing the instructions, thanked the troops, then slowly proceeded to the terminal. She parked her plane up against one of the docks and took a look around the terminal. Not many planes here, she thought.
Animarnia
05-03-2006, 17:00
Encrypted: Code Yellow

To: McKagan State department
From: Animarnia State department

President Friedman is deeply sorry that he cannot attend the CARE conference in person due to diplomatic issues that home which require his attention however, Vice President Renee Shondel will be dispatched in his place. We trust that you will make her as welcome as we are sure our president would be during her stay, she will be taking five armed guards and two Attachés. Two fighters will also escort the Diplomatic jet, we trust that you have facilities available for them to land

Sincerely
Animarnia State Department

-----


A Small specially built privately operated jet approached Kurora international airport, Vice President Shondel and five of her armed body guards aboard as well as two attaches. Rene Shondel sat legs stretched out in one of the spacious comfy seats. This plane had been built specifically to ferry high-level government officials between nations in comfort and security and relatively covertly when they didn't wish to make a big show of it. Two of the newly purchased F/A-35 fighters flanked the jet as escort to the conference.

The pilot picked up the radio headset and set it to a scrambled channel cleared for use in communication with the McKagan Government; "This is DT-02 with escort fighters to tower, requesting permission to land over?" said the pilot now waiting for a response.

"Roger that…" said the pilot a few moments later gently lowering the landing gear of the craft and beginning final approach to the runway and making a perfect landing and moving to Terminal 29. The escort fighters landing just behind the Diplomatic flight the two fighters waiting for instructions, as it would be unlikely they would be allowed near the same terminal as DT-02.

As the plane came to a stop, the door popped open and two armed guards in black suits and dark glasses exited the plane, each carrying a P90 Sub machinegun and a 9mm Glock shoulder holstered. A moment Later Vice President Shondel and her two attachés stepped out flanked by the remaining 3 armed guards each dressed and armed as the first two. President Shondel looked around briefly to take in the sight of the airport, it was quite impressive she surmised absently moving a loose strand of her tied back sandy blonde hair behind her ear, she disliked long journys.
McKagan
05-03-2006, 18:45
Araceli Eruzione's jet touched down. She stepped off the plane with her four staffers and 10 gaurds. She decided to leave two staffers and four gaurds in the plane to send messages back.

She walked toward the welcoming party...

"Right this way ma'am," the MSD Official said while turning to lead the diplomat towards the hangar. The rain on the runway was starting to pick up, so they were making it a point to meet the officials as soon as they steped off the plane in order to keep them from getting a cold in the middle of the conference.

It was at this time Colonel Yemit, the IMA Colonel who had commanded Special Forces in the capture of Ira Gaines south of Torontia, felt sorry for the soldiers he'd assigned to guard the coastline. Of course, he was also feeling sorry for himself - since he'd given up a good job with the McKagan Imperial Security Agency in order to come to Kurora to work on a program he'd assigned himself. At this point he was working as much for MISA as he was for the IMA. Due to his current mission status as investigating the organized crime society that was moving in around Kurora, there was a good chance that MISA would give him an office at the new base they're contracted out to build just off the airport lot.

The Luchamos delegate was moved to the hangar. Yemit's Lieutenant approached her and started to talk. "We're moving everyone to The Complex now. You can take a few of your people with you if you want, but it'll probably have to remain under 3 if you want everyone to fit in the same vehicle," he stated while looking to his right where a red sedan pulled up.
McKagan
05-03-2006, 18:58
"Thanks for the coffee, Colonel...Yemitt, is it?" Albright said, pronouncing the name she read on the uniform as 'Yem-ette.' She tasted the coffee - hot, yet quite invigorating.

"Yemit. I've heard worse manglings of my name," the Colonel replied. Albright then motioned to her staff and guards, who came up to where she was. She then said, "Colonel Yemit, whenever you're ready for us to get in, we're ready."


"Well as much as I've enjoyed talking to you," be started, "we really should start moving people out of the airport and towards The Complex."

Complying, Albright was put into the Sedan. The driver waited for her and the people she was traveling with to be secured and then drove off at a fairly slow, stable rate of speed. Traveling across the tarmac the car soon reached a two lane road that lead under a highway overpass and into the city proper. The trip was, from this point, fairly blunt. The most ominious part was when the sedan passed a courtyard. At the rear of the courtyard was the remains of a Baptist church. It was burnt out, obviously just a few days earlier.

"The organized crime here has really started targeting religion. It's not that bad yet, but we've lost a few churches in the last two months," the driver said as he turned the car onto the road in front of The Complex.

What he neglected to mention was that the "organized crime" he spoke of had actually been an Avalt Security International squad carrying out a contract placed by a secret McKagan Senate Action Comittee.

The car slowed and turned into the basement garage of The Complex. Albright and her group were taken from the car and escorted by State Department staff into the building, and given a small, villa like room to wait for the conference to start.
McKagan
05-03-2006, 19:09
-snip-

Colonel Yemit walked to the rear of the hangar and got on the radio that had been established between all of the groups of soldiers that were operating around the airport. He turned as to not face the the opening of the hangar, and to mask his voice so any diplomats who were wandering around wouldn't hear him. He spoke into the radio in a clear voice - "Could we try to hurry this up and get these people moving? I think a front is coming in and it's getting really wet out here."

His orders were acted upon, because soon afterwards a black sedan, just like the others, pulled up to greet the Animarnian delegation. The MSD official had a simple greating, and then promptly began train to get the delegation mounted up so he could begin the journey towards The Complex.
Luchamos
05-03-2006, 19:42
"Right this way ma'am," the MSD Official said while turning to lead the diplomat towards the hangar. The rain on the runway was starting to pick up, so they were making it a point to meet the officials as soon as they steped off the plane in order to keep them from getting a cold in the middle of the conference.

It was at this time Colonel Yemit, the IMA Colonel who had commanded Special Forces in the capture of Ira Gaines south of Torontia, felt sorry for the soldiers he'd assigned to guard the coastline. Of course, he was also feeling sorry for himself - since he'd given up a good job with the McKagan Imperial Security Agency in order to come to Kurora to work on a program he'd assigned himself. At this point he was working as much for MISA as he was for the IMA. Due to his current mission status as investigating the organized crime society that was moving in around Kurora, there was a good chance that MISA would give him an office at the new base they're contracted out to build just off the airport lot.

The Luchamos delegate was moved to the hangar. Yemit's Lieutenant approached her and started to talk. "We're moving everyone to The Complex now. You can take a few of your people with you if you want, but it'll probably have to remain under 3 if you want everyone to fit in the same vehicle," he stated while looking to his right where a red sedan pulled up.

Eruzione was confuused with the insane security measures, what could ever be the reason? With that in mind she took two Epsilon Guards with her and left her staffers, she really didn't need them anyway.

"Try to keep dry Colonel." She said as she climbed into the car.
McKagan
05-03-2006, 20:00
-snip-

The sedan moved away, following the exact same pathway as the one before. A concern that they were having was that traffic would pick up as people left their corporate buildings to go to the bars or evening clubs. That was still about an hour off, but it was alot safer to move during the midday when no one was on the streets.

As they passed the destroyed church this driver didn't say anything.

As with the other delegates, they were placed in a medium sized room to wait for the rest of the delegations to start the conference.
Xeraph
05-03-2006, 20:21
Vlad was more than a bit surprised at the tight security. If it was because of religious extremists, then he was here none too soon. Several buildings that appeared to be churches had been bombed, a couple of them pock-marked with .35mm bullet holes.

Something HAD to be done about this rising menace. The Emperor had given him full authority to hammer out any kind of agreement with the other governments at the conference. Personally, he was all for a 'blitzkrieg' type of assault on known socio-religious belief systems that had even the remotest avowance to violence as a means of 'spreading the word'. Hit 'em when they aren't looking, and keep the momentum going. Get as many as you can before they realize what's happening, and then re-double your efforts. Wipe 'em off the face of the earth.

The Emperor was of a like mind, and if the other nations of CARE started leaning that way, Vlad would do all he could to push them over the edge.

The limo pulled up before a rather nondescript building, and they were ushered into a conference room to await the rest of the conferees.

The room would get real small and hot real quick if all of the security people of each of the representatives were allowed in, so Vlad took the initiative. He signalled to the officer in charge. " Major, would you pick out one other guard to remain in here with yourself, and have the other four stand outside. It's getting kinda crowded in here."

Major Robinson was a 23 year veteran of the Xeraphian military. He'd seen it all up to and including the Black & Grey Imperium treachery of recent history. He signalled to the four Marine troopers nearest the door to head outside, and gestured to Lt. Kesey. " Your'e with me, lieutenant. Keep your eyes peeled."

"Yessir."
Animarnia
05-03-2006, 21:59
Colonel Yemit walked to the rear of the hangar and got on the radio that had been established between all of the groups of soldiers that were operating around the airport. He turned as to not face the the opening of the hangar, and to mask his voice so any diplomats who were wandering around wouldn't hear him. He spoke into the radio in a clear voice - "Could we try to hurry this up and get these people moving? I think a front is coming in and it's getting really wet out here."

His orders were acted upon, because soon afterwards a black sedan, just like the others, pulled up to greet the Animarnian delegation. The MSD official had a simple greating, and then promptly began train to get the delegation mounted up so he could begin the journey towards The Complex.

Miss Shondel smiled as she spotted the black Sudan, it was certainly tipping it down, not that she was too concerned she had one of the body guards hold an umbrella over her as she and the rest of the delegation approached the Sudan and the delegation entered the vehicle. She was a woman of few words, and those that knew her, knew this too. She took a bottle of water from her purse and took a swig of it before getting comfortable in the Sudan.

"You guys really know how to run a security operation" she said, complementing the McKagan security forces, they looked every bit as good as Animarnia's own Special Forces
Xeraph
06-03-2006, 20:13
bump
Minnechusettsfornia
06-03-2006, 23:52
Rain tapped on the window of the small government jet. The woman sitting alone in the window seat looked through the rivulets of water on the glass down to the blocky shape of Kuora in the distance. She straightened her blue tie almost absentmindedly, tucking it inside her matching jacket. One would think that one in her position would not be sent to an international conference of this nature. Then again, one would also have to think that she was just an average Secretary of Education. She reached into her pocket and unfolded a wrinkled sheet of paper.

Katie

I won't mince words, partly because this pen is dying. We both know how important this conference is, how it could shape this organization and the future. I trust you to accurately convey your own feelings on how CARE should operate, and I also trust that they are the right ones. But just to be sure, here's our bottom line.

-Minnechusettsfornia supports the rights of everyone in the world to hold their own beliefs, and for states, if they are so inclined, to practice a state religion provided they do not use it to intrude on their citizens' rights, be they civil or religious.

-We believe that religious oppression is an enemy of all people and should not be tolerated any more then any other type of oppression.

-We believe that 'religious' crimes, including terrorism and genocide, are inexcusable and must be stopped.

-That religion cannot and must not impede on the rights and needs of humanity

-People everywhere must be both free to hold their own religious beliefs, or no religious beliefs, and free from violence or oppression inspired by religions that ought to belong to all their followers, not just extremists, and that this should be the ultimate goal of CARE: To ensure this right to all the world's people, and protect them against the spectre of violent or opressive extremism.

Naturally as with any conference of this nature, we're flexible. These are just your guidelines. But please don't be afraid to speak up. Don't let the extremists hijack it to cleanse the world of backwards superstition, and don't let the moderates turn it into a toothless scarecrow. When you're behind that podium, remember we're there with you. All 480,000,000 of us.

Good luck

-Theodore Fredric Reynolds

She ran her finger over the President's signature.

"Ms. Allister, we're on our final approach."

She looked up. "Thank you."

A few minutes later, she and her four guards stepped out the door of the plane onto the tarmac of the airstrip. "Glad to see they aren't expecting trouble." She stated flatly, surveying the security measures. She then stepped down the stairs onto the asphault.
Kahanistan
07-03-2006, 01:29
The UH-60 landed at the area ordered by the McKagan tower and the door opened. Senator Mohammed bin Abdul Haram exited it slowly. He was a tall, thin, bald man, and very old. In fact, he was the oldest Senator in the Kahanistanian Supreme Soviet.

The 105 year old delegate stepped feebly out of the Blackhawk into the area where the diplomatic staff were. "Senator Mohammed bin Abdul Haram, Kahanistan Supreme Soviet. I'm here to represent the Soviet Republic at the CARE conference."

Although old, he gave the impression that he was still strong, mentally if not physically. He allowed the diplomatic staff to escort him.
McKagan
08-03-2006, 00:14
Just as always, the individual delegates were escorted away from the airport as quickly as possible. All moving through the same cold, wet streets, soon everyone had arrived at the conference.

Each being moved to the conference room, soon they were all sitting around a large, circular table with bottles of water placed strategically around the table.

Then, in a surprise move that the outside world would not learn of until the conference was over; President Robyn Cavalt walked through the staff doors and took a seat at the head of the table. Usually a MSD official would handle a conference, but this, being Cavalts brainchild, would be personally taken up by her.

"Hello," she started, "I am President Cavalt. We all know why we're here and what we're trying to do. So, I'd like to ask a question to each and every person here: What do YOU want to see in CARE?"
Brydog
08-03-2006, 01:10
A Beechcraft King Air 350 arrives at the airport with Secretary of State Romanov. He got off with two guards and waited.
McKagan
08-03-2006, 01:35
[OOC: Just assume everyone is already at the conference.]
Luchamos
08-03-2006, 02:00
"Hello," she started, "I am President Cavalt. We all know why we're here and what we're trying to do. So, I'd like to ask a question to each and every person here: What do YOU want to see in CARE?"

Seeing as no one else spoke up, Araceli Eruzione decided to do so.

"The NPL wishes to for an organization that is against militant religious extremism. As our nation is 95% religious, we do not wish to produce an organization bent on the destruction of all religion. Therefore, we wish to include under extremist, or at lest make a stand against militant atheist who target religous. My government is open to a military alliance as well."
Minnechusettsfornia
08-03-2006, 02:40
A moment later, Katie Allister stood.

"We also believe the main objective of CARE should be to combat religious extremism, both on a military and social level. We must be able to end the genocidal actions of religious dictatorships through either diplomacy or force, and we must also be able to handle and eliminate the hateful, xenophobic, and other harmful underlying philosophies that give rise to those governments and terrorist groups before the use of bullets becomes neccesary."
Xeraph
09-03-2006, 00:16
Vlad stood and addressed the assembly.

"I would first like to thank the government of McKagan for not only beginning the process of the establishment of CARE, but for inviting us all here to this most important conference.

The Emperor himself was most desirous of attending, but the post-war conference in Comatica precluded his being here. He has given me carte-blanche to deal directly and decisively with any form of extremism.

Three times the Empire has suffered the effects of religious extremism; twice in Xeraph itself, and once in my native country, The Grey Phoenix. All three attacks were instigated by radical elements of the Islamic Jihad. The perpetrators of the attacks no longer exist thanks to the Emperor's quick response. Every one of the people involved, including two nations who harbored the radicals, suffered overwhelming reprisals from all allied nations within the Empire. The individual perpetrators are all dead. The harboring nations no longer exist.

These events led to a thorough revamping of the Xeraphian National Security Agency. Today, all citizens of the Empire have a micro-chip embedded under the skin of their left fore-arm. On this chip is all the information about each citizen. If there is a person who somehow gets into Xeraph without detection, that person will be picked up on one of the scans done by our two hundred Orbiting Battle Platforms. These scans are continuous....no one is ever missed during a scan. As a result, we have not had an incident in over 70 years.

This is the Emperor's stance: What goes on in a particular country is THAT country's business. If a nation, such as Iran, wishes to have a government based on an extreme version of a conventional belief system, that is alright with Xeraph.

However, if there are oppressed elements in a nation like that, and those elements get together and somehow send a message to the world that they need help, then, and only then, would the Empire respond. It is not our job to police the world. What is distateful and undesirable to us may be normal to others.........as long as no one gets hurt.

Further, if a nation exports its extreme beliefs to another nation in the form of violence, then we will step in and rid the world of said nation. If there is a group who claims to be from no sovreign nation in particular, but has a base or bases of operations in a particular country or countries, then it will be the harboring nation's duty to arrest and/or expel or turn said terrorists over to a qualified authority such as CARE. If the harboring nation refuses, then the Empire will declare war on said nation, and cause it to no longer exist."

Vlad stopped speaking for a few seconds, and glanced around the table.

"Ladies and gentlemen. We have here before us a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to quell the rash of terror attacks that have been increasingly plaguing the world in recent years. There is another anti-terrorist organization, CATP, that has for some years now been battling terrorism fairly effectively. Perhaps the two organizations can help each other in this endevour.

I thank you all for the opportunity to air Xeraph's views."
Animarnia
09-03-2006, 04:26
Rene Shondel listened carefully to what as being said, one side wanted to take a xenophobic approach turning CARE into an agency on a crusade to wipe out all religions, another it seemed wanted to turn CARE into a toothless tiger like the current UN. The middle ground seemed to be suggested by; Rene took a moment to read the name plaque on the table; 'Minnechusettsfornia"

Miss Shondel adjusted her glasses; "I agree for the most part with", Rene read the gold name tag attached to the persons suit "Ms Allister however I am uncertain if she truly understands for someone to be classed as an extremist, that they are in all likely hood beyond hope. I believe that the extremist eliminate would know nothing but military force, however by education and social understanding you can eliminate the need for further shots to be fired by removing the breeding ground of hatred the extremist used to recruit new followers" Rene said, slowly and in concise manner

"I think CARE should have the military backbone to remove Religious extremist, and also have the resources be the economic or otherwise to help educate a populous on religious tolerance and cultural diversity", she added a moment later.

"My Government is willing to provide both to CARE"
Xeraph
09-03-2006, 04:49
Rene Shondel listened carefully to what as being said, one side wanted to take a xenophobic approach turning CARE into an agency on a crusade to wipe out all religions, another it seemed wanted to turn CARE into a toothless tiger like the current UN. The middle ground seemed to be suggested by; Rene took a moment to read the name plaque on the table; 'Minnechusettsfornia"

Miss Shondel adjusted her glasses; "I agree for the most part with", Rene read the gold name tag attached to the persons suit "Ms Allister however I am uncertain if she truly understands for someone to be classed as an extremist, that they are in all likely hood beyond hope. I believe that the extremist eliminate would know nothing but military force, however by education and social understanding you can eliminate the need for further shots to be fired by removing the breeding ground of hatred the extremist used to recruit new followers" Rene said, slowly and in concise manner

"I think CARE should have the military backbone to remove Religious extremist, and also have the resources be the economic or otherwise to help educate a populous on religious tolerance and cultural diversity", she added a moment later.

"My Government is willing to provide both to CARE"



Vlad was trying very hard to keep the cynicism out of his voice as he said, " Well, Miss Shondell, I can appreciate your view. But tell me.....how would you propose removing the breeding ground of hatred used by extremists? Set up a school of Peace and Understanding? Or perhaps CARE could send sociologists into a seething pot of mistrust and poverty to see if they can try to understand the psychoses of environmental determinism.

I'm all for contributing finances to educate the children. But history has shown that throwing money at what is essentially a disease doesn't work. Just look at the Democrats from the 20th and 21st centuries in the old USA. Their answer was always "more money for the underpriviledged". All that did was create generational welfare. No, Miss Shondell, we must put first things first. If there are any elements of religious terror in play, then we must target them, remove them, and then educate what's left."
The Beltway
09-03-2006, 05:02
Albright chose that moment to speak up, saying, "Look, this is an alliance of conservatives and liberals against extremists. Let's not get bogged down in politics; what we need to focus on is how we will properly combat religious extremists and religious extremism."
McKagan
09-03-2006, 06:16
Cavalt spoke up.

"This isn't going to be an organization that merely hunts down all religions in an attempt to stop the problem of extremism," she explained, "but rather an organization meant to combat these extremists in their own recruitment zone."

"Lets use a hypothetical terrorist organization for instance. The terrorist organization most likely gets its recruits, or new members, from poverty stricken states where no alternative view on religious subjects is presented due to a lack of free media, or media at all. Our job, instead of invading said nation and destroying said terrorist organization would be to infiltrate that nation and PROVIDE the people with that alternative viewpoint. We can't expect that running an ad on SRN will fix everything before dinner - but it will take effect over generations."

She took a sip of water.

"Military force should be an option ONLY when an extremist organization leaves its 'recruitment zone' and threatens to expand that zone into other regions."
Xeraph
09-03-2006, 21:26
Cavalt spoke up.

"This isn't going to be an organization that merely hunts down all religions in an attempt to stop the problem of extremism," she explained, "but rather an organization meant to combat these extremists in their own recruitment zone."

"Lets use a hypothetical terrorist organization for instance. The terrorist organization most likely gets its recruits, or new members, from poverty stricken states where no alternative view on religious subjects is presented due to a lack of free media, or media at all. Our job, instead of invading said nation and destroying said terrorist organization would be to infiltrate that nation and PROVIDE the people with that alternative viewpoint. We can't expect that running an ad on SRN will fix everything before dinner - but it will take effect over generations."

She took a sip of water.

"Military force should be an option ONLY when an extremist organization leaves its 'recruitment zone' and threatens to expand that zone into other regions."



" Madame Cavault, using your example, if elements of CARE infiltrated a terrorist nation, or a nation harboring such an organization, what benefit to that nation would an alternative viewpoint be? Either the nation's government would deny entrance to the CARE members, or, upon discovering CARE's discreet involvment in their affairs, would in all probability either execute the CARE reps immediately, or hold them for political advantages. Perhaps even declare war against CARE....which would be extremely foolish on their part, but nonetheless, a possibility.

As I said before, there can be but two reasons for CARE to take up arms against repressive/terrorist nations. One, a faction or factions within the repressive nation asking for help, or the export of the repressive/terrorist nation's violence. I'm not saying that we should exterminate any and all belief systems that we don't like. Just those that promote extremist views that result in violence."
McKagan
09-03-2006, 21:38
-snip-

"You're thinking too militarily," Cavalt started. "We aren't playing SOCOM 3. We're talking about a large scale social invasion. Yes, that can be difficult, but cultural diffusion through various means works. It's just hard to find many governments willing to work that way and take decades over sending in Special Forces to kill terror cell leaders."
Xeraph
09-03-2006, 22:32
"You're thinking too militarily," Cavalt started. "We aren't playing SOCOM 3. We're talking about a large scale social invasion. Yes, that can be difficult, but cultural diffusion through various means works. It's just hard to find many governments willing to work that way and take decades over sending in Special Forces to kill terror cell leaders."


"Madame Cavalt, I am 100% on your side. I agree that the first measure should be a peaceful one. The only question I have is 'What if the nation we want to socially invade doesn't want us there'? Do we just throw up our hands and say 'Oh well', or do we take more strenuous measures?"
Luchamos
09-03-2006, 22:50
Araceli Eruzione spoke up.

"After rejection in a peaceful sense we try politcal manuevering, blackmail, etc. If it does not work, we give them "a shot across their bow" by flexing the military muscle. If they still do not give in, well flexing muscles will only work in the future if we fight. The problem is that if we take military action, it will drive the people we want to change to our views into the ranks of the enemy. We must proceed with extreme caution."
McKagan
09-03-2006, 22:53
"Madame Cavalt, I am 100% on your side. I agree that the first measure should be a peaceful one. The only question I have is 'What if the nation we want to socially invade doesn't want us there'? Do we just throw up our hands and say 'Oh well', or do we take more strenuous measures?"

Cavalt started to answer.

"We don't say 'CARE is coming to change your nation.' If that's what you mean. It's an invisable effort. I do, however, understand how some nations resist change so great that it would be impossible. That's the point where we target the nations economy. While at the same time we try to enlighten the people against their government."
The Beltway
09-03-2006, 23:24
"Perhaps we should set up something like Radio Free Europe? Further, we'll probably need to recruit moderates in religions where extremists are active in order to help promote an alternate vision. Finally, we should probably focus on, as Madame Cavalt has said, social changes over time, rather than simply military force," Albright said.
Brydog
09-03-2006, 23:27
Romanov stands up.

This use of mass media could work and I believe we should try it first, then if more is needed then embargos and other policial means should be used.
McKagan
09-03-2006, 23:44
"Perhaps we should set up something like Radio Free Europe? Further, we'll probably need to recruit moderates in religions where extremists are active in order to help promote an alternate vision. Finally, we should probably focus on, as Madame Cavalt has said, social changes over time, rather than simply military force," Albright said.

"You understand exactly what I want," Cavalt started, "but we must keep our military option highly viable. However, there is another problem. What about terrorist organizations that operate from multiple countries and don't need to recruit? In my opinion, that would be the only time an all out military action would be forseeable."
Minnechusettsfornia
10-03-2006, 00:18
"I don't quite understand what you mean" started Allister. "All terrorist groups need recruiting, even if a government acts as a front for it. We can cut off the source of recruits by educating their recruitment pool and removing cultural and religious hatreds, much like the representative from the Beltway stated." She nodded towards him "However, I agree that an international terrorist group would be cause for use of force, though we would need to be careful in the use of that force. Fighting a terrorist group of that nature would be quite unlike fighting a country with a definite army and location. Intelligence operatives and precision strikes would be key in that regard, 'all out' action might be ineffective against an invisible force like that, unless you mean using it against the enabling nations."
Xeraph
10-03-2006, 00:43
" My thoughts exactly, sir", said Prince Vlad. " If there is an international terrorist group operating within the borders of a given nation, that nation must take responsibility to halt their activities. If they do not, then that nation is as guilty of terrorism as is the terrorist group, and should be dealt with accordingly."

Vlad was tiring of this 'easy does it' approach. He knew the Emperor, and if Xeraph were asked to intervene in the case of a terrorist attack, there would be no social agenda. There would be no sending in the re-education groups. There would be a single declaration of intent that if the harboring nation did not act to stop the perpetrators, then Xeraph would. And only God could then help anybody who got in the way of Emperor Alaric Tan'its vengeance......
Animarnia
10-03-2006, 01:32
Rene Shondel listened to the representative Vlad and what the others had to say, picking up on the cynicism in Vlad's voice however she agreed, for the most part; "I agree, with Ms Allister and Prince Vlad. Nations harbouring religious extremists should be treated as hostile as the extremists themselves, however, I think that we do not wish to turn CARE into an organisation bent on the destruction of ALL religion, so. It is paramount that as members of CARE we define exactly what we see as religious extremism so as to better know where CARE' should act and where it should not" she said, She was quick to the point and shot from the hip.

"and to answer you question, Prince Vlad, unless you alter the underlaying social aspects afterwards, you will just give birth to more extreamists, creating a never ending circle of violence"

People generally respected her for being honest and concise, she spoke her mind and had raised an important point, what DID care consider to be religious extremism
Xeraph
10-03-2006, 02:12
Rene Shondel listened to the representative Vlad and what the others had to say, picking up on the cynicism in Vlad's voice however she agreed, for the most part; "I agree, with Ms Allister and Prince Vlad. Nations harbouring religious extremists should be treated as hostile as the extremists themselves, however, I think that we do not wish to turn CARE into an organisation bent on the destruction of ALL religion, so. It is paramount that as members of CARE we define exactly what we see as religious extremism so as to better know where CARE' should act and where it should not" she said, She was quick to the point and shot from the hip.

"and to answer you question, Prince Vlad, unless you alter the underlaying social aspects afterwards, you will just give birth to more extreamists, creating a never ending circle of violence"

People generally respected her for being honest and concise, she spoke her mind and had raised an important point, what DID care consider to be religious extremism


" Yes, Miss Shondel, the key word is 'afterwards'. After the terrorists are dead, after the land has been scoured clean of their bloody tactics, and after their schools of intolerance have been rooted out and destroyed, then we can commence the social re-education of the citizens.
The Emperor is not by any means against religion. Indeed, the Empire in general and Xeraph inparticular hold that whatever you believe is between you and your God. Over 70% of the citizens of the Empire are Essenic Christians. The remaining 30 percent is divided up by the Jewish, Buddist, and mainline Christian belief systems. There are less than 1/10 of 1 percent Muslims. I said all that to say that we are not anti-religious. We ARE anti-terrorist, whatever form that terror may use."
Luchamos
10-03-2006, 03:10
After feeling ignored last time, Araceli Eruzione spoke again.

"The problem with using force is that the source of recruitment is exposed to propoganda and after they are liberated, they form new terrorist groups. Then we take on the role of an occuping force, and no occuping force can win without severe treatment of all citizens, as good and bad are indistinguishable. However, if we take no military action, no one will fear us, and the regimes will ignore our demands to let in our "social invaders". Groups with two or three nations should be contained in the different nations they reside in, effectively creating different groups, to be dealt with seperately."
Xeraph
10-03-2006, 19:37
bump
Xeraph
11-03-2006, 18:17
bump
McKagan
11-03-2006, 23:48
"I'm very much against sweeping invasions." Cavalt started, "but rather economic and diplomatic warfare. A host nation could very well have its mind changed if we set them up FOR sweeping invasions from a host of other nations if they don't comply. If it does come to military use, I'd suggest that we utilize massive special forces teams before outright invading the nation. It's really hard to say, though, since every situation is different. That's a major point. It's hard to plan for alot of the situations we'll be facing."
The Beltway
12-03-2006, 00:01
Albright smiled, then, still seated, said, "Madame Cavalt, I wholeheartedly agree with your statements."

She sipped her coffee and waited for other replies, which she hoped to be short and in agreement. She wanted to move on to discussing the organization's structure. In general, she wanted this to be a relatively quick meeting, as she had started to notice a tendency to nap after a few hours of sitting still. Hopefully the caffeine would work...
McKagan
12-03-2006, 00:20
Cavalt, while feeling personally that she had remained fairly predominant in the debate, also felt that her last statement hadn't been as precise as she would have liked. She liked to keep things rather closed up and not let people point out problems in her plan that she already knew about.

"I think that, with the obvious use of Special Operations Forces this organization will employ, there's efficient clause in the establishment of a joint Military Command Center. It'll be a small unit comprised of a representative and a few staffers from each of your militaries and be used to coordinate our operations. I suggest it be located in Triesa, McKagan. That's a nice, tropical city that you'll all enjoy... moving on, don't worry about making this a toothless tiger. I'm also willing to state that McKagan will keep our entier force of the elite Imperial McKagan Army Halo's ready for quick, large scale deployments to hostile zones."
Xeraph
12-03-2006, 00:35
"I'm very much against sweeping invasions." Cavalt started, "but rather economic and diplomatic warfare. A host nation could very well have its mind changed if we set them up FOR sweeping invasions from a host of other nations if they don't comply. If it does come to military use, I'd suggest that we utilize massive special forces teams before outright invading the nation. It's really hard to say, though, since every situation is different. That's a major point. It's hard to plan for alot of the situations we'll be facing."


A good economic tactic would be to blockade the harboring nation. Although this is considered an act of war by most nations, it would at least be a non-shooting precursor to armed intervention.

I would assume that a "massive special forces team" approach would need a central command, as SpecOps Teams from several nations would be involved.
McKagan
12-03-2006, 01:33
A good economic tactic would be to blockade the harboring nation. Although this is considered an act of war by most nations, it would at least be a non-shooting precursor to armed intervention.

I would assume that a "massive special forces team" approach would need a central command, as SpecOps Teams from several nations would be involved.

Cavalt laughed. "You finally understand what I'm getting at! Of course we need to use military force alot more than anyone is willing to admit. We just make the other person fire the first shots for the propaganda jist of it!"
Minnechusettsfornia
12-03-2006, 16:53
Having remained silent for some time, Ms. Allister spoke again, looking slightly perturbed. "I don't like the idea of us needing to manipulate the course of events to justify our actions. If we are to use force, there should be no serious doubts among other mainstream nations that that course of action is correct. Forcing their hand and then using that as an excuse will not go over very well in my own nation, and it may tarnish our reputation as a fair anti-extremism group. If we are invading an extreme theocracy, there should be no need to take extra measures to make us appear justified. There should not be any doubt to begin with. I understand this position may appear weak." She hesitated. "But there are already several religious nations breathing down our collective necks, and I have no doubt that they will pounce on any percieved stage-management."
Animarnia
12-03-2006, 19:35
Rene, Shondel looked into her empty plastic beaker and whispered to her aid to fetch her another coffee; "I don't like manipulating events any more than the next person, however. It would certainly look better if they fired the first shot or they could simply use the 'CARE is a bunch of imperialists out to conquer our nation'" She said adjusting her glasses.

"Remove that defence mechanism and you remove the frightening number of nations who would leap to there defence purely because someone used the "I" word. If they fire first, they bring it upon themselves, we fire first, we simply appear as a bunch of marauding cowboys as sad as it is, PR is an important and fundamental part of how CARE will operate" she said.

Her aid returned a moment later with a fresh cup of coffee; "by Special Forces operations, would I be assuming correctly you mean covert actions in a 'hostile' nation?" Rene asked.
Xeraph
12-03-2006, 23:16
Having remained silent for some time, Ms. Allister spoke again, looking slightly perturbed. "I don't like the idea of us needing to manipulate the course of events to justify our actions. If we are to use force, there should be no serious doubts among other mainstream nations that that course of action is correct. Forcing their hand and then using that as an excuse will not go over very well in my own nation, and it may tarnish our reputation as a fair anti-extremism group. If we are invading an extreme theocracy, there should be no need to take extra measures to make us appear justified. There should not be any doubt to begin with. I understand this position may appear weak." She hesitated. "But there are already several religious nations breathing down our collective necks, and I have no doubt that they will pounce on any percieved stage-management."


" Ms. Allister, blockading a nation is not a manipulation. If CARE becomes aware of a terror situation, and is asked to help, then we need no justification in responding. We wouldn't be forcing their hand. We would be giving them the opportunity to act on their own behalf. The ball would be in their court. If they refuse, then we are not only justified in taking direct action, we are OBLIGATED to take direct action by the very reasons CARE came into being. And this is not a 'weak' position. Rather, it is a strong position, and will send a strong message to ANY nation that might be breathing down our necks.

Again, CARE should not be a proponent of 'might makes right', and go in guns blazing. But perhaps 'walk softly and carry a big stick' would be more appropriate a stance."

Vlad knew damn well that the Emperor's personal attitude was 'give us what we want or we'll beat the hell out of you and take it anyway', but that wouldn't fly here. The bottom line was that terror is like a cancer. You don't feel sorry for the cancer......you do everything you can to eradicate it without killing the body.
Xeraph
12-03-2006, 23:20
Rene, Shondel looked into her empty plastic beaker and whispered to her aid to fetch her another coffee; "I don't like manipulating events any more than the next person, however. It would certainly look better if they fired the first shot or they could simply use the 'CARE is a bunch of imperialists out to conquer our nation'" She said adjusting her glasses.

"Remove that defence mechanism and you remove the frightening number of nations who would leap to there defence purely because someone used the "I" word. If they fire first, they bring it upon themselves, we fire first, we simply appear as a bunch of marauding cowboys as sad as it is, PR is an important and fundamental part of how CARE will operate" she said.

Her aid returned a moment later with a fresh cup of coffee; "by Special Forces operations, would I be assuming correctly you mean covert actions in a 'hostile' nation?" Rene asked.

" Maam, SpecOps doesn't necessarily mean covert. It simply means a team that is specially trained to go in and perform surgery....to surgically remove the threat. These teams can take many forms, and even may require large-scale attacks before the teams can go in and do their job."
Luchamos
13-03-2006, 00:59
"This is politics, maniuplating events is part of the job. In any operation, we must make sure neutral nations feel that we are in the right, or at least not in the wrong. By manipulating I of course mean "spining"the event to our view, not making a happening up like Hitler.

A combined Spec Ops force I think would work. However we must have other forces ready to help if they need it. They should be able to be covert or not.

We have no problem with them being based in McKagan, however we feel they should have a minor base in all other countries designed for different situations, like an Gordon Island in Luchamos, for naval situations, and maybe a different country could have a jungle, polar, or desert base for training and for the countries to feel more involved. Of course they would spend most of their time in McKagan."

Araceli Eruzione motioned to an aide to send a message back informing of progress.
Xeraph
13-03-2006, 01:21
"This is politics, maniuplating events is part of the job. In any operation, we must make sure neutral nations feel that we are in the right, or at least not in the wrong. By manipulating I of course mean "spining"the event to our view, not making a happening up like Hitler.

A combined Spec Ops force I think would work. However we must have other forces ready to help if they need it. They should be able to be covert or not.

We have no problem with them being based in McKagan, however we feel they should have a minor base in all other countries designed for different situations, like an Gordon Island in Luchamos, for naval situations, and maybe a different country could have a jungle, polar, or desert base for training and for the countries to feel more involved. Of course they would spend most of their time in McKagan."

Araceli Eruzione motioned to an aide to send a message back informing of progress.

"An excellent suggestion, Madame Eruzione. I would like to offer a 200 square mile night-training facility in our subject-nation of the Dominion of Black Shadows. We can construct a base large enough for 1,200 men and 100 armored vehicles. Shadow AirBase 66 is just 40 miles to the east, and a Shadow naval facility is just offshore to the west. There will be complete protection of all multi-national forces while they are present on Imperial soil.

I would like to ask Ms. Allister which nations she is referring to as 'breathing down our collective necks'?"
McKagan
13-03-2006, 02:47
Having remained silent for some time, Ms. Allister spoke again, looking slightly perturbed. "I don't like the idea of us needing to manipulate the course of events to justify our actions. If we are to use force, there should be no serious doubts among other mainstream nations that that course of action is correct. Forcing their hand and then using that as an excuse will not go over very well in my own nation, and it may tarnish our reputation as a fair anti-extremism group. If we are invading an extreme theocracy, there should be no need to take extra measures to make us appear justified. There should not be any doubt to begin with. I understand this position may appear weak." She hesitated. "But there are already several religious nations breathing down our collective necks, and I have no doubt that they will pounce on any percieved stage-management."

Cavalt had stopped to let all the other people give their input. An important factor to running a show was not appearing to be doing just that. She started to speak.

"This isn't about 'justifying' our actions. If we weren't right," she continued, "then we wouldn't be operating against said nation anyway. The major factor, however, is making us appear right. No matter how right we are there are ways for an enemy nation to churn out propaganda. Propaganda is our main enemy, not a military force; since we're going to be so formidable as it is."

Rene, Shondel looked into her empty plastic beaker and whispered to her aid to fetch her another coffee; "I don't like manipulating events any more than the next person, however. It would certainly look better if they fired the first shot or they could simply use the 'CARE is a bunch of imperialists out to conquer our nation'" She said adjusting her glasses.

"Remove that defence mechanism and you remove the frightening number of nations who would leap to there defence purely because someone used the "I" word. If they fire first, they bring it upon themselves, we fire first, we simply appear as a bunch of marauding cowboys as sad as it is, PR is an important and fundamental part of how CARE will operate" she said.

"Correct, ma'am. If the other nation starts military action first then we can promote the death of anyone in that entier conflict as being on their hands. Not ours."

Her aid returned a moment later with a fresh cup of coffee; "by Special Forces operations, would I be assuming correctly you mean covert actions in a 'hostile' nation?" Rene asked.

"Define 'covert,'" Cavalt started. "McKagan Special Forces aren't very covert in alot of their combat measures. The only thing covert about them is where they're from, who they are, and what exactly they're trying to do."

We have no problem with them being based in McKagan, however we feel they should have a minor base in all other countries designed for different situations, like an Gordon Island in Luchamos, for naval situations, and maybe a different country could have a jungle, polar, or desert base for training and for the countries to feel more involved. Of course they would spend most of their time in McKagan.

"Spreading our forces around, especially ones as important as our Special Forces, is a very important aspect. The base that we'll be setting up for the multinational command force is an extention of the MISA CODEX base. CODEX is the anti-terrorist branch of our Special Forces; so you see where we're going with that. I encourage the establishment of military bases for our organization in each and every member nation. However, you'll understand that McKagan doesn't field an army of Special Forces, and thus won't be able to keep a mass of soldiers (or perhaps any at all) at every base, all the time."
The Beltway
13-03-2006, 03:02
A staffer handed a document to Albright, who read over it, nodded, then said, "The Beltway is willing to set up a joint military base near Cumberland, Maryland, for special operations forces and for mountain warfare. At the moment, we lack special forces troops; we're considering putting together a special forces unit with 80 SWAT officers, one frigate, and a NEST team; however, they'll need to be trained."
Luchamos
15-03-2006, 01:15
"Our country is one of mostly water. Smugglers teamed up with rebel forces, who established countless hidden camps on our small islands. Three special forces were tasked with hunting them down. With the rebelion over, we would not be opposed to having them be in the force or at least trainning in water to land raids/ patrol tactics.

If you need trainning to start up some Spec Ops, the Nomadic Peoples of Luchamos consists of many settled and nomadic tribes. The people native to the Plains, woodlands, mountains, and the sea may not be trained with the best equippment, but they have many tricks to help adapt to their chosen biome. They are proud, and if your forces prove worthy soldiers, which I am sure they will, the tribes would gladly pass on their skills, which of makes them honorary members of the tribe trained with, bonding our nations.

All CARE nations can send forces for training, as long as it is not excessive."

She then sat down and looked around. She realized that the offer might not be taken, but it seemed like a good try, and a good way to revitalize the conversation.
McKagan
15-03-2006, 02:58
The conference had moved great. People were showing their ability to put together special forces teams and willingness to work together. Asides from a conflict, nothing could bring the alliance to a working point better than military cooperation.

"I can't make military deployments from this room," Cavalt spoke. "McKagan doesn't need to train more people, I can confirm. However, we may be happy to make several forward presense missions or strategic deployments. That is left up to the McKagan Imperial Defense Department, or MIDD. If you have any ideas please direct your emails over there."

She waited for a few minutes. Giving the people in the room a chance to prepare for the looming next round.

"The organizational structure I'm suggestion is one that politically is beneficial both domestically and internationally for everyone in this room. You'll all understand that the McKagan populace wouldn't be very happy with what would be reported as McKagan dealing off with a strategic alliance, which is what having this organization being used with a figurehead OTHER than a McKagan representative would do. That means little, however. The organization is simple. Each nation has a vote on the security council, a majority is needed to push legislation through. McKagan will then be able to pass a veto, where the legislation goes back to the Security Council. If it gains a 2/3rds vote there, the veto is invalid. I know it's crude, but it seems to have worked elsewhere. Anyone can feel free to object to it here, or offer other suggestions."
Luchamos
15-03-2006, 22:13
"By legislation, I take it that includes military operations?" Eruzione asked.
Xeraph
15-03-2006, 22:29
"Our country is one of mostly water. Smugglers teamed up with rebel forces, who established countless hidden camps on our small islands. Three special forces were tasked with hunting them down. With the rebelion over, we would not be opposed to having them be in the force or at least trainning in water to land raids/ patrol tactics.

If you need trainning to start up some Spec Ops, the Nomadic Peoples of Luchamos consists of many settled and nomadic tribes. The people native to the Plains, woodlands, mountains, and the sea may not be trained with the best equippment, but they have many tricks to help adapt to their chosen biome. They are proud, and if your forces prove worthy soldiers, which I am sure they will, the tribes would gladly pass on their skills, which of makes them honorary members of the tribe trained with, bonding our nations.

All CARE nations can send forces for training, as long as it is not excessive."

She then sat down and looked around. She realized that the offer might not be taken, but it seemed like a good try, and a good way to revitalize the conversation.



The Xeraphian Empire would like to send 500 Royal Marines for training in sea and mountain tactics. We do have such facilities in the Empire, but as you have suggested, your tribesmen can undoubtedly provide us with an edge other, more hostile nations do not have.
Minnechusettsfornia
15-03-2006, 23:10
"The structural proposal seems solid enough." She sipped her water. "Shall we vote on it?" She hadn't said much, and was turning a very faint red. "I believe we would be willing to send one of our Shetland battleships and a ground brigade to the training area."
Xeraph
15-03-2006, 23:19
The conference had moved great. People were showing their ability to put together special forces teams and willingness to work together. Asides from a conflict, nothing could bring the alliance to a working point better than military cooperation.

"I can't make military deployments from this room," Cavalt spoke. "McKagan doesn't need to train more people, I can confirm. However, we may be happy to make several forward presense missions or strategic deployments. That is left up to the McKagan Imperial Defense Department, or MIDD. If you have any ideas please direct your emails over there."

She waited for a few minutes. Giving the people in the room a chance to prepare for the looming next round.

"The organizational structure I'm suggestion is one that politically is beneficial both domestically and internationally for everyone in this room. You'll all understand that the McKagan populace wouldn't be very happy with what would be reported as McKagan dealing off with a strategic alliance, which is what having this organization being used with a figurehead OTHER than a McKagan representative would do. That means little, however. The organization is simple. Each nation has a vote on the security council, a majority is needed to push legislation through. McKagan will then be able to pass a veto, where the legislation goes back to the Security Council. If it gains a 2/3rds vote there, the veto is invalid. I know it's crude, but it seems to have worked elsewhere. Anyone can feel free to object to it here, or offer other suggestions."



Vlad spoke up. " This would be amenable to the Empire. It is simple and effective. I hereby vote in favor of the proposal as set forth by Ms. Cavault of McKagan."
McKagan
15-03-2006, 23:36
"By legislation, I take it that includes military operations?" Eruzione asked.

Cavalt spoke up.

"Yes, of course it does. We've also got a small problem with the fact that a war might not be popular with every member of the organization and thus they might not want to send their assets off to fight in a war they don't want. How would everyone feel about making military aid optional, but making financial aid required for continued membership? That said, we should have some sort of rewards system where a nation who DOESN'T send military forces to an approved military operation doesn't have the same representation in the Security Council. Any ideas?"
Xeraph
15-03-2006, 23:50
Cavalt spoke up.

"Yes, of course it does. We've also got a small problem with the fact that a war might not be popular with every member of the organization and thus they might not want to send their assets off to fight in a war they don't want. How would everyone feel about making military aid optional, but making financial aid required for continued membership? That said, we should have some sort of rewards system where a nation who DOESN'T send military forces to an approved military operation doesn't have the same representation in the Security Council. Any ideas?"

Again, Vlad spoke up. " I think we should keep it simple. If a member of CARE doesn't feel that a particular military situation is appropriate, then that nation shouldn't be penalized. There may be several mitigating factors why they wouldn't send troops, such as their being involved in another conflict, religious holidays, and others.

There are a sufficient number of members currently in CARE that any three or four could handle just about any given situation."
McKagan
15-03-2006, 23:54
Again, Vlad spoke up. " I think we should keep it simple. If a member of CARE doesn't feel that a particular military situation is appropriate, then that nation shouldn't be penalized. There may be several mitigating factors why they wouldn't send troops, such as their being involved in another conflict, religious holidays, and others.

There are a sufficient number of members currently in CARE that any three or four could handle just about any given situation."

"As the President of a nation who is currently fighting on two fronts, I know and understand what you are talking about. I'll retract my previous statement."
Luchamos
16-03-2006, 22:25
"I with agree with Vlad, and will vote for that way." Eruzione said

"Also, Xeraph your marines are most welcome. The Mountain Tribe's, The Rotsachtigia, Chief is Haldor. Fly into the Abyssal Shipyard Naval Airbase, we will provide transport for your forces to the mountains."

(OCC: If you want to rp them let me know, otherwise they will be done in a month and have a bear claw necklace as proof)
Xeraph
16-03-2006, 22:39
"I with agree with Vlad, and will vote for that way." Eruzione said

"Also, Xeraph your marines are most welcome. The Mountain Tribe's, The Rotsachtigia, Chief is Haldor. Fly into the Abyssal Shipyard Naval Airbase, we will provide transport for your forces to the mountains."

(OCC: If you want to rp them let me know, otherwise they will be done in a month and have a bear claw necklace as proof)


ooc: sounds good. I'll rp something short when the marine commander meets the chief, and then we can go w/the bearclaw necklace.
Xeraph
17-03-2006, 01:42
Commander Cicci, 111th Royal Marine Division, stepped out of the Xeraphian ApacheII HCGS and surveyed his surroundings. 'Quite a set-up they have here in Luchamos. Almost as good as Xeraph's, ' he thought. He glanced up into the sky at the other Apaches circling to land, bringing 300 marines into Luchamos for mountain training with Chief Haldor of the Rotsachtigia Tribe. These tribesmen were supposed to be the end-all-and-be-all of mountainous terrain fighting and tracking. ' Well, we'll see about that', he thought. 'I've never seen anything like the vampire scouts old Teii is in charge of. You don't know theyr'e there until you feel the blade slicing across your throat. If these tribesmen are half as good as the vampires, I'll be happy.'

He turned and began to bark orders. " Seargeant! Get your ass in gear and unload those choppers! Whattya think this is,your fuckin' birthday? I got 22 more gunships landing here within the hour, and I need some fuckin' organization happening! Have I made myself clear?"

Evidently he had. Marines were scurrying all over the tarmac, carrying out Cicci's orders. He grinned.........now thats more like it.

He felt a tap on his shoulder. He looked to his left and saw what appeared to be an eight-foot tall muscle-bound gorilla. " That would be guerilla, commander, not gorilla."

He...it...saluted. " Haldor sir. Reporting for duty sir. And yes, I can read your mind..............and I can show you how to also......."
Animarnia
18-03-2006, 01:01
Rene nodded at the way things were being run; it was very slick; the McKagan president was very good indeed, they had set up a fair and democratic organisation but left themselves a back door should CARE want something they don't like, very slick indeed.

"I Agree with the preposed terms" she said simply and took a swig of her coffee...good coffee.
Xeraph
19-03-2006, 03:48
bump
The Beltway
19-03-2006, 04:52
Albright smiled. The terms laid out seemed fine, and the provisions that allowed nations to send only financial aid in the event of an attack would square well with Warner's demands. She quietly said, "On behalf of The Beltway, I accept the terms of the proposed alliance. Oh, and Ms. - or is it Mrs., or something else? I apologize for any unintended insult on my part - Eruzione, I'll get back to you soon on details for sending out our special ops trainees; we may be adding one hundred twenty Marines and a squadron of MH-60 helicopters."
Cagamos
19-03-2006, 21:57
Commander Cicci, 111th Royal Marine Division, stepped out of the Xeraphian ApacheII HCGS and surveyed his surroundings. 'Quite a set-up they have here in Luchamos. Almost as good as Xeraph's, ' he thought. He glanced up into the sky at the other Apaches circling to land, bringing 300 marines into Luchamos for mountain training with Chief Haldor of the Rotsachtigia Tribe. These tribesmen were supposed to be the end-all-and-be-all of mountainous terrain fighting and tracking. ' Well, we'll see about that', he thought. 'I've never seen anything like the vampire scouts old Teii is in charge of. You don't know theyr'e there until you feel the blade slicing across your throat. If these tribesmen are half as good as the vampires, I'll be happy.'

He turned and began to bark orders. " Seargeant! Get your ass in gear and unload those choppers! Whattya think this is,your fuckin' birthday? I got 22 more gunships landing here within the hour, and I need some fuckin' organization happening! Have I made myself clear?"

Evidently he had. Marines were scurrying all over the tarmac, carrying out Cicci's orders. He grinned.........now thats more like it.

He felt a tap on his shoulder. He looked to his left and saw what appeared to be an eight-foot tall muscle-bound gorilla. " That would be guerilla, commander, not gorilla."

He...it...saluted. " Haldor sir. Reporting for duty sir. And yes, I can read your mind..............and I can show you how to also......."


Chief Haldor of The Rotsachtigia had donned traditional dress to meet the Marines. He talked with Cicci about what he knew about mountainous skills. He then led Cicci to the current location of his nomadic tribe. The tribe roamed around the mountians, living in caves and making shelters out of rocks and trees.

After the other Marines arrived up the mountain, he split them up among tribesmen instructors. They taught the Marines their tricks to survive in the mountains, along with how to make basic traps to catch the little game, and move undetected in the open area.

After 1 month of instruction and war games, the Marines had learned all they could, and had even give the tribesmen a run for their money in competitions.

That lead to the initiation ceremony. All of the Marines were given an bear claw as a sign of entry into the tribe. They are also given a Rotsachtigia name.

To Cicci however, more than a bear claw was given. He was made an honorary member of the tribal council, and he was given a traditional bear headress and the name "Gradfador", meaning Thunder-Eyed Hawk.
Luchamos
25-03-2006, 16:47
OCC: Sorry, comp has been down, I just noticed I posted as my puppet, Cagamos up there, my apologies