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President Holtz, tired from 20 years of service as president of Holy Paradise since he was 35, stood up at the famous podium where he had made many important announcements in the past. He cleared his throat, and then began what could become the most controversial speech of his life.

"My fellow Holy Paradisians...

Over the 20 years I have served you, or at least, attempted to, many things have happened. Some things I regret ordering, some things I am proud of, some things you regret, some things you are proud of. I don't know what this will become, but I now stand before you, to warn you of a resurrected danger, one that threatens our entire country, the entire world. A red infection is spreading throughout the lands and across the oceans of this great planet of ours, and completely consumed many a nation, all nations that were beautiful and strong before this vile disease took control of them. The infection has attempted to take control of our nation once, but thanks to the resolute spirit of the Holy Paradisian people, it failed. This infection is not AIDS. It is not the Avian Flu. It isn't an actual classified disease at all, but, how virulent and contagious it acts, I see it appropriate to attack it head-on. My fellow Holy Paradisians, this disease you know well, and many of you hate it with a passion, I being in agreement with you. The disease is none other than the rights-hating, oppression loving ideology known as Communism, and it is attempting to take over the world. It must be stopped, but it cannot be stopped alone. I ask all freedom-loving nations to join Holy Paradise in a war on Communism, not through conflict, but diplomacy. If we wish to protect our peoples from an enemy worse than all diseases combined, we must unite, and push for the collapse of Communism throughout the world, for if we don't, all that awaits us is a hellish, anti-religious totalitarian one-world government, and we shall be ruled by it for an eternity if nothing is done. Thank you.

{OOC: John, welcome back! :D You should join the World Anti-Communist League.}

It is good to see you. I am also intrigued about this league which you speak of.

{OOC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461888}

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Official Governmental Statement

The Dominion of Amazonian Beasts, newly reformed government, takes absolute delight in the speach of President Holtz, and wholeheartedly supports the actions and decisions against the scourge of communism that threatens every person of the international community. A huge round of applause goes out, and if Holy Paradise joined the WACL, the Dominion would gladly welcome them in.

-Kyp Droma
Emperor, the Dominion

OOC: Yeah, the governmental reforms will extend to MT and PMT as well...

We regret to inform you that your nations people will not be able to travel to Frenzia anymore.Though we cannot provide aid we hope you can find a cure.

Capitalism/Democracy: (capitalists'/democratic persons' point of view) good
Communism: (commies' point of view) good
It all depends.

Clamparapa is democratic but has a General Secretary.

(OOC: I liked the USSR in WW2, yet I don't agree with everything they did and just to let you know, I'm a CCC-Canadian Christian Conservative)

Public Statement from President Holtz:

Holy Paradise thanks all countries who have shown their support for us. Your actions shall not be forgotten by the people of the world when Communism falls.

Capitalism/Democracy: (capitalists'/democratic persons' point of view) good
Communism: (commies' point of view) good
It all depends.

Clamparapa is democratic but has a General Secretary.

(OOC: I liked the USSR in WW2, yet I don't agree with everything they did and just to let you know, I'm a CCC-Canadian Christian Conservative)

OOC: Yeah, I supported the USSR in WWII also, only because it was necessary too. I see you are also a rare political ideological group: Canadians that are Christian and conservative, that's hard to find, no offense to your nation of course.

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To-The Goverment of the Holy Paradisians
From-SSu Jason Mikoyan,Union of Usean Soviet States.
Subject-"Infection"?!?


I can se that we,being people of this good earth,have different ideas,and we accept it.Yet pounding the ideals of others into the ground is not acceptable!I hope you recant your thinking and appologise for your disrespectfull comments.We hope you claming to be holy can see the error in your ways.

Supreme Soviet Unifyed Jason Mikoyan.

OOC: This is MT, Nationstates world stuff, not RL cold war

Official Statement of President John Holtz of Holy Paradise
To:SSu Jason Mikoyan,Union of Usean Soviet States
Subj: RE: -"Infection"?!?

We refuse to take back what we said. Communist nations are the opposite of all things free and righteous in the world. Communist nations hate freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and much, much more.

To-President John Holtz of Holy Paradise
From-SSu Jason Mikoyan,Union of Usean Soviet States

I wonder what kind of steryotipical nonsence you picked that up from,I am part of a alliance of Communist,Socalist,and Soviet states that have plenty of rights,even more that some "Free lands".I hope you look at the world to day President Holtz,Because it is not what I see.

A Communist nation that has rights is like Albert Einstein failing a 1st grade math test.

A Communist nation that has rights is like Albert Einstein failing a 1st grade math test.

Actually, Einstein wasn't too bright when he was a youngster. Couldn't speak till four and couldn't write till seven or eight.

I just wanted to point out that that's a bit funny since Einstein himself was a socialist and he did perform poor in school for the first few years of his life.

A Communist nation that has rights is like Albert Einstein failing a 1st grade math test.


OOC-Einstine actually dropped out of school due to his poor grades, lol

IC- Diplomatic Transmission to Holy Paradise

While Willink refuses to deal with so called "Communism Vigilanties", we find that your so called "War" on communism is a joke. How you can compare Communism to AIDS is beyond me. People deserve to be free, yes, but people also choose what type of government they want, while this is not always the case, your medeling within such countries will be met with strong backlash from the politicly "Sound" governments, unlike nations such as and The Roach-Busters and Amazonian Beasts, who seem to be disillusioned in their own fanatical beliefs that they can defeat communism worldwide. We bid you good day, and hope to see the end of this idotic communism backlash from fanatical hopeless governments.

OOC: Okay, Einstein when he was older. Sue me, lol.

IC: To Willink:

You have to fight for what you believe or you'll collapse to what you hate the most.

Man I was hoping more than 6 people would get interested in this.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467764

Holy Paradise, click here^

To-The Goverment of the Holy Paradisians
From- General Grimm , Leader of The Holy Republic of Bloodbank

I commend you on your break away from the red devils. We ,The Holy Republic of Bloodbank, support you in this endeavor and well lend any help we can against the Soviet Dogs that would dear to oppresses all people under all their lies and false information.

To-The Goverment of the Holy Paradisians
From- General Grimm , Leader of The Holy Republic of Bloodbank

I commend you on your break away from the red devils. We ,The Holy Republic of Bloodbank, support you in this endeavor and well lend any help we can against the Soviet Dogs that would dear to oppresses all people under all their lies and false information.

To: General Grimm
From: President John Holtz
Holy Paradise supports any peaceful or defensive endevour you take against the Communists, my friend.

To: President John Holtz
From: Casear Espatus

While The Empire of Novus Romus is far from a Communist nation, we respect the views and decisions of other such nations. To say that Communism is a 'scurge' is over dramatic. Has a Communist nation done something to you? Has one declared war on you? You cannot simply change other nations to your liking; therefore I, and the rest of Novus Romus, ask you to tend to your own nation and stay out of affairs of others.

Sincerely,
Caesar Espatus

Secret IC:

The Kremlin, Moscow

Soviet Premier Comrade Vladimir Kuschev had been made aware of the speech given by Holy Paradise's John Holtz by his KGB Security officers.

After watching the long winded and tedious monologue on a TV Screen in his private office that made Kuschev wished he had spent all the time watching and hearing it doing something worthwhile, he had nontheless ordered a transcript of the speech, and shortly, that was delivered to him.

Now, the KGB officers stood patiently in Kuschev's private office as Kuschev, his bald head bathed in the glow of the evening lamp upon his desk, took the transcript from them.

Kuschev had been suffering a cold of late, the ferocious sort that when Kuschev found a tissue or hankerchief was absent, compelled him to simply press one of his nostrils closed with his index finger, while he breathed out through the other, creating a 'snot rocket', a huge glob of greenish mucus that would fire like a projectile from his open nostril.

At least on one occasion, one of these 'snot rockets' had found it's way onto the Soviet Agriculture Minister, in an incident that could be argued as not being an accident, the Soviet Agriculture Minister having to wipe his suit down with a hankerchief to get rid of the unsightly green lump of mucus from The Soviet Premier Comrade, and even then, as green stain remained.

Now, his nose again bunged up with his cold, Kuschev took the transcript of John Holtz's speech, but he did not read it.

Instead, he took the transcript in one hand, and threw his head forward, now blowing his nose into it, as if it was a tissue or hankerchief, and a disgusting sound ensued of snot being thrust out of his nostrils into the paper, accompanied by the occasional sound of snuffling and snorthing.

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Kuschev finished, obviously satisfied, as he squeezed the now snot-ridden paper in his hand that made what was to Kuschev a humourous squelching sound.

A wide grin came across Kuschev's face as he chucked the soggy transcript into a waste paper bin in the corner of the office.

He turned back to the KGB officers.

"I would wipe my arse on it, but it's not worth the paper it's written on." he said calmy.

Laughter ensued from the hard faced men gathered.

Secret IC:

The Kremlin, Moscow

Soviet Premier Comrade Vladimir Kuschev had been made aware of the speech given by Holy Paradise's John Holtz by his KGB Security officers.

After watching the long winded and tedious monologue on a TV Screen in his private office that made Kuschev wished he had spent all the time watching and hearing it doing something worthwhile, he had nontheless ordered a transcript of the speech, and shortly, that was delivered to him.

Now, the KGB officers stood patiently in Kuschev's private office as Kuschev, his bald head bathed in the glow of the evening lamp upon his desk, took the transcript from them.

Kuschev had been suffering a cold of late, the ferocious sort that when Kuschev found a tissue or hankerchief was absent, compelled him to simply press one of his nostrils closed with his index finger, while he breathed out through the other, creating a 'snot rocket', a huge glob of greenish mucus that would fire like a projectile from his open nostril.

At least on one occasion, one of these 'snot rockets' had found it's way onto the Soviet Agriculture Minister, in an incident that could be argued as not being an accident, the Soviet Agriculture Minister having to wipe his suit down with a hankerchief to get rid of the unsightly green lump of mucus from The Soviet Premier Comrade, and even then, as green stain remained.

Now, his nose again bunged up with his cold, Kuschev took the transcript of John Holtz's speech, but he did not read it.

Instead, he took the transcript in one hand, and threw his head forward, now blowing his nose into it, as if it was a tissue or hankerchief, and a disgusting sound ensued of snot being thrust out of his nostrils into the paper, accompanied by the occasional sound of snuffling and snorthing.

Flluuuuurrruuuuurrrrrrrrr

Kuschev finished, obviously satisfied, as he squeezed the now snot-ridden paper in his hand that made what was to Kuschev a humourous squelching sound.

A wide grin came across Kuschev's face as he chucked the soggy transcript into a waste paper bin in the corner of the office.

He turned back to the KGB officers.

"I would wipe my arse on it, but it's not worth the paper it's written on." he said calmy.

Laughter ensued from the hard faced men gathered.

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Statement from President John Holtz:

I have seen Communism destroy lives. About 20 years ago, a Communist rebellion took place in Southern Holy Paradise. It took too much bloodshed to prevent a takeover by the rebels, but thankfully, we prevailed. I have visited many countries before. I have seen capitalist, communist, and other such nations that I despise. But what irks me about Communism is the way it takes away economic opportunity from the people. A hard-working, moral man makes the same as a lazy jerk under Communism. It is not a fair system. It is a promotion of a government that takes every dream and aspiration and crushes it under the gears of a totalitarian-controlled, monotonous life. Communism may have been well intended when it was created, but its ideals have been perverted by big government.

Shortly after hearing the Presidents statement:

Espatus slowly brushed his suit off as he prepared his own statment.

"Although some countries may not agree to the way a Communist government coducts itself, it is the peoples duty to overthrow, should they not like it. If one nation is to say another is evil only due to its government structure is wrong. Such a country, one that finds it a need to change others, would be classified as an evil. Therefore, you are fighting against what you are."

Slowly, he made his way back into his Villa.

Shortly after hearing the Presidents statement:

Espatus slowly brushed his suit off as he prepared his own statment.

"Although some countries may not agree to the way a Communist government coducts itself, it is the peoples duty to overthrow, should they not like it. If one nation is to say another is evil only due to its government structure is wrong. Such a country, one that finds it a need to change others, would be classified as an evil. Therefore, you are fighting against what you are."

Slowly, he made his way back into his Villa.

"The idea that pushing for freedom and democracy is an evil thing is foolish. Nothing is greater than the ability to go and vote privately for who you choose. The feeling that you make a difference, why, that's what makes countries soar." President Holtz said.

Statement from President John Holtz:

I have seen Communism destroy lives. About 20 years ago, a Communist rebellion took place in Southern Holy Paradise. It took too much bloodshed to prevent a takeover by the rebels, but thankfully, we prevailed. I have visited many countries before. I have seen capitalist, communist, and other such nations that I despise. But what irks me about Communism is the way it takes away economic opportunity from the people. A hard-working, moral man makes the same as a lazy jerk under Communism. It is not a fair system. It is a promotion of a government that takes every dream and aspiration and crushes it under the gears of a totalitarian-controlled, monotonous life. Communism may have been well intended when it was created, but its ideals have been perverted by big government.


Official Socialist Imperial Communique:

In, Emperor Anton IV, condem your speaking out of Communism as a 'disease'. But I shall be brief, and shall say only this. If Capitalism is all about an honest man earning his wages and getting somewhere, why is it that most third world countries that go for capitalism tend to end up with the biggest rich/poor divide? Infact, it appears to be the case in msot capitalist countries, where welfare of hard working labourers is about as good as the treament of dogs...

OOC: Also, to invalidate your argument, I've seen several Soviet nations on NS that have democratic elections, and even allow NON-Communists into power. I doubt very much that they are stomping down on freedom to vote, and of speech. Soviet Democracy Kahanistan also accepts Shoobans as being human, unlike capitalist paridise Roach Busters...

Official Statement of President John Holtz:
"But why, then, are developed capitalist nations, (especially the RL U.S.A and Japan), the most powerful in the world. That is because capitalism, although it has its flaws, yes, is the best system that we have."

I really dislike it when those who know nothing of Communism speak so ill of 'this red disease'.

Communism is the ultimate freedom.

Why don't you people just do some research before you bash Communism?

Is that meant as OOC or IC, Communistic Intentions. Either way, I have researched Communism, and in its purest form, it works, but, in practice, it is a very unfair and anti-civil rights ideology, especially when it comes to the fact it bans all religion. Yes, Marx once said, "Religion is the opiate of the masses." So, its anti-freedom ideals are very unsuitable for modern society.

OOC: I do agree with you there but Communism does start out good "For the poeple" and all that but when they take over more then likly go to a one man rules the nation if there ever was a real Communism then things might be differnt but just look at who tried them and you can see why it was bad
Soviet Union, Cuba,China,North Korea just to name a few

OOC: I do agree with you there but Communism does start out good "For the poeple" and all that but when they take over more then likly go to a one man rules the nation if there ever was a real Communism then things might be differnt but just look at who tried them and you can see why it was bad
Soviet Union, Cuba,China,North Korea just to name a few

Quite true. Communism is the best economic ideology, in theory. But you can't trust human nature to follow it to the letter. James Madison once said, "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be adminstered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself."

Sadly, Communism believes angels govern men, and does none of the things Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution, recommends.

The Holy Empire of Czar Natovski Romanov is bewildered by the anti-religious sentiments of communist governments, and surely those that oppress religion in thier nation will be struck down by God HIMSELF!!! In keeping with this sentiment, The Holy Empire would like to join in a defensive Pact against communistic states as they are as stated so well previously a scourge to humanity and a threat to freedom everywhere. Henceforth all communists should abstain visiting The Holy Empire of Czar Natovski, as you are not welcome and will be executed as we see fit.

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The Holy Empire of Czar Natovski Romanov is bewildered by the anti-religious sentiments of communist governments, and surely those that oppress religion in thier nation will be struck down by God HIMSELF!!! In keeping with this sentiment, The Holy Empire would like to join in a defensive Pact against communistic states as they are as stated so well previously a scourge to humanity and a threat to freedom everywhere. Henceforth all communists should abstain visiting The Holy Empire of Czar Natovski, as you are not welcome and will be executed as we see fit.
Official Statement of President John Holtz of Holy Paradise:
"We are pleased with your decision to back us against Communism, but, executing Communists? It would make all capitalist countries look hypocritical, not to mention that Communists, although against everything we stand for, are still humans. We kindly request that you repeal your execution of Communist decree, but you are welcome to not allow them into your country.

The Union of Usean Soviet States has a large religious place in socity.The democratic system is acually nearing a election next month!many nations offen stumble on there beleaves.Like in the US(I'm not us bashing,I love it here)had manny problems including slavery,bribery,ethnect terrorism,solicitation,and the mass diregard for the will of the people.So dont be burning our Crimson flag without taking a good look at your self!

SSu Jason Mikoyan.

Official Statement of President John Holtz of Holy Paradise:
"We are pleased with your decision to back us against Communism, but, executing Communists? It would make all capitalist countries look hypocritical, not to mention that Communists, although against everything we stand for, are still humans. We kindly request that you repeal your execution of Communist decree, but you are welcome to not allow them into your country.

It is our position that communism encourages people to commit treasonous acts, and thereby any who should encourage such acts through ascribing themselves to a communist ideaology are in effect commiting treason. Thereby, I, the Czar have deemed it necessary to hold such extreme measures against communists. We refuse to repeal the laws of our land based on your concerns. This makes me wonder whether youre not a communist yourself, if it wasnt for your nations extensive efforts against them, Id be truly concerned.

The Union of Usean Soviet States has a large religious place in socity.The democratic system is acually nearing a election next month!many nations offen stumble on there beleaves.Like in the US(I'm not us bashing,I love it here)had manny problems including slavery,bribery,ethnect terrorism,solicitation,and the mass diregard for the will of the people.So dont be burning our Crimson flag without taking a good look at your self!

SSu Jason Mikoyan.
OOC: Glad to hear you like America. I love it too.

IC: I am sorry, but you do not follow Communism then if you have religion. Its creator said religion is the opiate of the masses, so, you're not really following it then, eh. Also, my nation has religious freedom, free speech, free press, and a free enterprise system, and we are among the most blessed and happy nations of the world.

It is our position that communism encourages people to commit treasonous acts, and thereby any who should encourage such acts through ascribing themselves to a communist ideaology are in effect commiting treason. Thereby, I, the Czar have deemed it necessary to hold such extreme measures against communists. We refuse to repeal the laws of our land based on your concerns. This makes me wonder whether youre not a communist yourself, if it wasnt for your nations extensive efforts against them, Id be truly concerned.

Official Statement of President John Holtz of Holy Paradise:
"So be it. We will consider you allies, but, we are currently unhappy with your nation's mass execution of Communists. We don't like them either, but we would rather deport them if we decided they shouldn't be in our country. Currently, there are only 2,763 Communists in Holy Paradise, a very small number when you consider there are almost 5 billion people living here. We let them follow their own ways, as long as they don't attempt to push any of it on others. We let them vote, we let them even nominate candidates, but they never win. If they turn violent though, we'll send them to you for...ehem...'re-education'."

Official Statement of President John Holtz of Holy Paradise:
"So be it. We will consider you allies, but, we are currently unhappy with your nation's mass execution of Communists. We don't like them either, but we would rather deport them if we decided they shouldn't be in our country. Currently, there are only 2,763 Communists in Holy Paradise, a very small number when you consider there are almost 5 billion people living here. We let them follow their own ways, as long as they don't attempt to push any of it on others. We let them vote, we let them even nominate candidates, but they never win. If they turn violent though, we'll send them to you for...ehem...'re-education'."

None of my citizens are currently communist as all are devoutly religious people, of this I am sure. However should someone enter this country who is of communist bent we would not hessitate to protect our citizenry from thier rule of terror. I am glad to hear you dont allow them to preach thier heresy to others, and keep a tab on how many exist within your borders. Perhaps some sort of electronic tracking system would help ensure your control over thier suspect activities.

None of my citizens are currently communist as all are devoutly religious people, of this I am sure. However should someone enter this country who is of communist bent we would not hessitate to protect our citizenry from thier rule of terror. I am glad to hear you dont allow them to preach thier heresy to others, and keep a tab on how many exist within your borders. Perhaps some sort of electronic tracking system would help ensure your control over thier suspect activities.
Secret IC:
Official Statement of Director Michael Stone of the HPCIA(Holy Paradisian Central Intelligence Agency):
"One is already in place. That, along with voter registration, is how we know exactly what they do and how many there are. Also, 98% of the Holy Paradisian population are devout, conservative Roman Catholics. The rest are devout Protestants, except for a few Muslims and Jews.

This is an Imperial Order of His Majesty the Czar Natovski Romanov,
It is imperative that we as a nation stem the rising tide of communism within our border as of this date, all surveillence of the populous should be monitored for suspect activities indicating communism. Such behaviour may include, but is not limited to the missing of church services, any sort of civil dissobedience, possesion of proscribed literature(ie. the communist manifesto and other communist writings), as well as the weraing of red clothing. Officers are not to hessitate in dealing with suspects, all are to be brought in for "questioning" and any confirmed communists may be executed once outside of the public eye.
-His Greatness, The Holy Emperor Czar Natovski

Secret IC:
Official Statement of Director Michael Stone of the HPCIA(Holy Paradisian Central Intelligence Agency):
"One is already in place. That, along with voter registration, is how we know exactly what they do and how many there are. Also, 98% of the Holy Paradisian population are devout, conservative Roman Catholics. The rest are devout Protestants, except for a few Muslims and Jews.

Encrypted Response:
From Svetlana Romanov, Minister of The Holy Empire's Department of Health and Public Safety, and Sister to the Czar:
The Holy Empire's Department of Health and Public Safety oversees this matter within the Empire. Perhaps it would be best to pursue a policy unlike ours i which such persons would be, how did you put it? "re-educated", certainly there is little room for dissentors such as muslims, jews and protestants, we are proud to claim a 100% Catholic populous. Of course some must always be watched in case they turn on thier fellow man.

From the Worldnews Org:
It has been reported from an unnamed source that a "crackdown" on so called traitorous communists has been occuring within the Holy Empire of Czar Natovski Romanov. Often these people have done nothing wrong but to own certain books or miss a church service. Hundereds have gone missing during the past few weeks and noone has been informed as to where theyve gone. In response to an inquiry by the World News Reporters, the Czar's Representative has denounced these claims as propaganda against His Majesty and eternal Greatness, the Czar. However, we now have a tape of Czar Natovski's "Health and Safety" inspectors burning a non-descript, but clearly religious building with several people trapped inside. The nearby town was deserted and left in ruin when World News reporters arrived there.

Official Statement from Caesar Espatus.

"If you are truly a devout Roman Catholic nation, as Novus Romus is, you would not be executing others due to they're having different views. This seems to be hypocritical. Please, if you feel you have no other choice, deport them to Novus Romus. Otherwise, Novus Romus will have to take steps in fixing this.

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