NationStates Jolt Archive

The following post is totally OOC

Okay, I tried to start doing this as the former nation of The Holy Fleet, but time constraints caused me to stop playing and I lost my nation. So now I'm trying it again as a different nation, but I still want to continue my project regarding trying to make BFG ships a bit more 'real' i.e. with regards to size and crew.

So I made the following diagram which some of you may remember:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8383/shiplistjpeg4tk.jpg

Since doing this, I have been scouring the internet trying to find some sources to base my idea of crew sizes on, but the only thing I have managed to find is some writing a person did here: http://wolfedengames.com/battlefleetgothic/crew.htm - certainly not canon, but it is the closest thing I can find. So, using that information, I have worked out the following crew sizes as a basic idea:

IoM Vessels

*Minus Fighter Crews

Cobra Class: 5,000
Imperial Transport: 3,000
Firestorm Class Frigate: 5,600
Sword Class Frigate: 5,600
Dauntless Class Light Cruiser: 7,200
Dictator Class Cruiser: 6,600*
Gothic Class Cruiser: 6,600
Dominator Class Cruiser: 6,600
Tyrant Class Cruiser: 8,360
Lunar Class Cruiser: 8,360
Overlord Class Battlecruiser: 8,200
Mars Class Battlecruiser: 8,200*
Retribution Class Battleship: 8,200
Emperor Class Battleship: 8,800*

This listing does lead to show that some smaller Cruisers actually have larger crews that the Battlecruiser's themselves. I justify this on the grounds that, whilst the Cruisers have more physical weaponry (more weapons batteries and lance turrets) than the Battlecruisers, the weapons on the Battlecruisers would obviously be more powerful and thus not require so many batteries and therefore less crew. Also, I imagine the larger ships may have greater automation as more sophisticated vessels.

With regards to transporting ground forces, my website source puts forward the idea that each vessel could possibly transport forces equal to half their complement, although of course Imperial Transports would be much larger due to the specialised nature of their task and be able to carry much more than their complement. To that end, I would suggest the Transports were possible of carrying perhaps 10,000 Infantry and the equivalent size in vehicles and other equipment.

Now, I know that this is not Canon and I'm not trying to enforce it. However, this is the closest I have found so far as to giving a guide to this, and I intend to follow it myself.

Hope to see some constructive comments.

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very interesting.

I play BFG and I enjoy the game very much... it would be cool to RP it sometime.

I play as Imperials and Eldar. Dang, do those Overlords pack a punch or what?...

Cool to see a fellow BFG fan. ;)

very interesting.

I play BFG and I enjoy the game very much... it would be cool to RP it sometime.

I play as Imperials and Eldar. Dang, do those Overlords pack a punch or what?...

Cool to see a fellow BFG fan. ;)

Thanks. :) I was particularly interested in trying this in order to give me some assistance in creating a fleet for my Imperium of Man based nation, and perhaps for other people to use as a reference too.

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See, there's the slight problem that the pictures in the BFG rulebook aren't quite to scale. The Cobra is a MUCH smaller model than a Battleship, as can be seen here (http://bobgagne.com/Battlefleet_Gothic/DauntlessWEscort.jpg) where it is in the foreground of a picture of a Light Cruisier, and is still visibly less than half the size. A better size comparison would be done using the actual models and a tape measure.

they look cool. Very rustic.

See, there's the slight problem that the pictures in the BFG rulebook aren't quite to scale. The Cobra is a MUCH smaller model than a Battleship, as can be seen here (http://bobgagne.com/Battlefleet_Gothic/DauntlessWEscort.jpg) where it is in the foreground of a picture of a Light Cruisier, and is still visibly less than half the size. A better size comparison would be done using the actual models and a tape measure.

Well, unfortunately I do not own one each of the models, so the rulebook pictures was all I had to go by. As I said, it isn't perfect in any sense, but it seems to be a good start in which to base the scale of the vessels on where previously there was little literature on the matter. :)

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The Models aren't to scale anyway, they are just a representation of the vessel, the actual size of the vessel is indicated by the point on the stalk at which the vessel sits, so measuring them with a tape measure wouldn't be an accurate estimate of their sizes

Aren't the battleships in BFG 1 mile and the destroyers less?

The easiest way to find this out would be to simply email the Rulez Boyz at GW, they will be able to tell you exactly what the sizes are and will also be gospel

The easiest way to find this out would be to simply email the Rulez Boyz at GW, they will be able to tell you exactly what the sizes are and will also be gospel
BAD idea. Bad, BAD idea. The Roolz Boyz ARE NOT a valid source of fluff or, for the most part, rules. They're not employed to answer your rules questions, they're the idiots who work for direct services or whatever it's called, IE, mail room boys. There's a minimum amount of experience required for the job, hell, most aren't even good painters.

The Models aren't to scale anyway, they are just a representation of the vessel, the actual size of the vessel is indicated by the point on the stalk at which the vessel sits, so measuring them with a tape measure wouldn't be an accurate estimate of their sizes
You mean on the flying base? I fail to see how the depth of a single hole on the model and/or the size of the flying base you choose is a better determinant of length than the actual size of the model. Admittedly, they aren't perfectly to scale, but one would assume that they made the Destroyers too large and the BBs too small intstead of the other way round, ne?

Aren't the battleships in BFG 1 mile and the destroyers less?
Figure I see most often is that the Cobra Destroyer is 1.5 kilometers and a Battleship 7.5 klicks or so. There's a second school of thought that places the Cobra around 800m to a klick, with a BB around 5.5 or so. Neither really seems to have a very solid reason behind it, partially due to GW's horribly inconsistant fluff-managing.

GW tended to work a bit better back when they didn't even try to bother putting any real stats on anything. I suppose for all its coolness the codex imperialis (2nd edt fluff book) was the beginning of the end and now we have novels that claim that a leman russ's battle cannon is a whopping 80mm gun etc etc.
Bah! *goes back to the days when the goblin doomdiver was new and that all the new models got rules in WD and you didn't have to wait for the codex/army book or get the codex/army book then have to wait 2-3years for the models*

BAD idea. Bad, BAD idea. The Roolz Boyz ARE NOT a valid source of fluff or, for the most part, rules. They're not employed to answer your rules questions, they're the idiots who work for direct services or whatever it's called, IE, mail room boys. There's a minimum amount of experience required for the job, hell, most aren't even good painters.


You mean on the flying base? I fail to see how the depth of a single hole on the model and/or the size of the flying base you choose is a better determinant of length than the actual size of the model. Admittedly, they aren't perfectly to scale, but one would assume that they made the Destroyers too large and the BBs too small intstead of the other way round, ne?


Figure I see most often is that the Cobra Destroyer is 1.5 kilometers and a Battleship 7.5 klicks or so. There's a second school of thought that places the Cobra around 800m to a klick, with a BB around 5.5 or so. Neither really seems to have a very solid reason behind it, partially due to GW's horribly inconsistant fluff-managing.


Hmmm, Last time I used roolz boyz, they seemed to be pretty accurate with their rules, so unles GW have outsourced that part of the Company, I don't know, as for the Flying bases, that was told to me by the Manager at the Darlington store during a game of BFG, the point on the flying base is the actual vessel, the model is just a representation of the vessel.

but either way it makes no difference to me, just throwing in my lot

yeah there is soem guff in the rule book about how the models don't corespond with the actual ships and how the actual round base if actually the outside of the shields or soemthing, basically its all part of the non 3D cop out, I'll need to go back a reread it.

the point on the flying base is the actual vessel, the model is just a representation of the vessel.
Admittedly, but that's in the same way that in 40K the Fire Warrior's base and the Space Marine's base are the same size in TT, but the Marine is bigger by about four feet in fluff (Heh, finally figured out what Tau are - the new Space Dwarves).

I thought the Demiurg were the new Space Dwarves?

Fine, Space Halflings. :p