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This is the OOC Thread for the Cluster War Thread

The IC thread is HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10477870#post10477870)

I know some of this is duplicated in my first post but it bears worh mentiong more than once.

To be part of this war, you have to be a resident of The Cluster, I.E. be accepted by the Landlord (Waterhelper) as a resident of one of the territories he discovered. The war is CLOSED to all others, even if you have allies here and they called you for help.

All Out Of Character remarks will be placed within this Thread. Please do not place any OOC remarks in your posts as it distracts from the story and is rather rude.

Don’t wank. It doesn’t matter what kind but please refrain from all sorts of wanking. It ruins a story damn fast.


All those who are in this war please post your ships that you will use

Personally, I have


4 starbases
1 Blackstone Fortress
1 shipyard
the Homeguard for my 5 planets
the 2nd Imperial Fleet
the 4th Imperial Task Force


I will not import any other support from outside the cluster. any losses will have to be replaced through production of the Shipyards

Draconus Prime is my Primary world here

Ok as New Carpentaria is the home of the Expeditionary fleet. The full might of the Expeditionary fleet can be used. However that would only be in a humongous pitched battle. The frigates are not FTL capable and need the SDF Dominion to jump.

So expect the grand total to be the very nasty battle ships, all 20 generally about 50 cruisers. And the 4 naval troopers destroyers that were sent here secretly. In case of hostilities.

I have very little in the way of ground forces. Mainly the 500 or so armsmen aboard ship [ who arent great at fighting in anything but built up areas] and the Morgenreate II's and III high maneuver frames [cross an armoured core with a veritech bext explanation given to a few, otherwise crossreference my factbook and the beginning of an Ill wind blew on the mars forum at www.sunsetrpg.com to learn more. They are the real stars of the show when it comes to my RP.

Thats it for me. We can count on the PTPS [police/urban warfare specialists] for defense in Tannelornian soil only.

But for now all that is involved are two ships. For now

And losses are likewise for Balrogga and i, we have a shipyard here..but the Prefecture wont compromise the defense of the nation for this.

Currenlty that exact Task force. 10 battle ships and 50 cruisers has been sent to stop the gate builders and the terrans and heck..anyone else there [that was a majour hot spot].

Sorry, Meihm, I usually don't read what doesn't concern me. Hadn't thought I'd be dealing with a second force RPd by you.

Sorry, Meihm, I usually don't read what doesn't concern me. Hadn't thought I'd be dealing with a second force RPd by you.

That's the only force I'll be RPing in this war. The Terrans and Protoss are occupied elsewhere.

I think my wording in my post might have been confusing.

I wanted to send the ship ahead and park it so the fleeing ships would have to pass by it, leading to the impression we "know what is going on so don't try anything funny", even if we actually don't. The ship just sat there with it's weapons dormant. It should have been an erie scene but it kinda flubbed. We have all seen movie scenes where this has happened. After they get by, everyone finally remembers to breathe again.

My actions are based on the "No Fighting" request and it was a reminder to refrain from firing. We don't know about the Pananab offer IC so we had to remind the crew we were there. Tigerlan ships look the same to us. I cannot tell the difference between a captured ship turned rebel and one that wasn't.

I hope this cleared up what I was doing better. If you want to edit your posts to show reactions based off this explanations feel right ahead. It would make an interesting story...

Another thing, you will see some psi but you don't know that IC. Please check out my web site for more information.

Ok, Auman. I don't really care WHO you are. What I do care is that you're using space in an IC only thread for OOC BULL CRAP. I will make posts as long as I want to. If I decide to answer a page long post with "several ships were destroyed, and the Zeji returned fire." Then I will. If I want to respond to a oneliner with a pagelong monstrosity, that's up to ME. Your opinion is not needed or wanted. If Tannelorn is your brother, good for you, if you want to talk about how we're fighting this war, have Tannelorn do it for you, since he's the only one in your family that's involved.

Well i find the idea of a page long monstrosity offensive lol. Its easily two pages on some of my posts :p. Anyways no he wasnt aware it was all resolved. However i would like to point out that it would be nice to add a little more detail to posts. For fun sake and so when we sit back and read the war it looks alot like a novel. Its ok i like to write. Alot of this is for practice for story writing.

So it doesnt matter to me if its a one liner or not, just dont mind if i fill in the blanks. And page long monstrosities are the standard where we come from haha.

Well i find the idea of a page long monstrosity offensive lol. Its easily two pages on some of my posts :p. Anyways no he wasnt aware it was all resolved. However i would like to point out that it would be nice to add a little more detail to posts. For fun sake and so when we sit back and read the war it looks alot like a novel. Its ok i like to write. Alot of this is for practice for story writing.

So it doesnt matter to me if its a one liner or not, just dont mind if i fill in the blanks. And page long monstrosities are the standard where we come from haha.

You can get details when the shooting starts. Until then, deal with it.

The shooting did start Mini, and i was fighting in a battle. I think my brother was refferring to the smaller posts by Tigerlan. I fill in details of what I am doing. And if i do choose to make it a large post thats fine. And to be honest wars arent fought like DOS command prompts. They have a little more to them.

And once again the shooting did start. I currently have two cruisers engaged with a group of Tigerlan SSD of which i assume several attempted escape..but we arent letting the other one go so easily. This is the point to which the conflict is currently at.

Now all i need to do is wait for the Gate Builders and Tigerlan. I may leave gatebuilders territory due to his inactivity and pursue the Tigerlan fleet in to Pananab space. They fired on Tannelornian vessels with intention of destruction. At least in our eyes. Self defense. We cant let them get away with such powerful weapons so close to our homes. We are kind of psycho about that..that and they shot at us.

I jumped my three destroyers on to stop them.

I have two behind and one in front.

The shooting did start Mini, and i was fighting in a battle. I think my brother was refferring to the smaller posts by Tigerlan. I fill in details of what I am doing. And if i do choose to make it a large post thats fine. And to be honest wars arent fought like DOS command prompts. They have a little more to them.

And once again the shooting did start. I currently have two cruisers engaged with a group of Tigerlan SSD of which i assume several attempted escape..but we arent letting the other one go so easily. This is the point to which the conflict is currently at.

Now all i need to do is wait for the Gate Builders and Tigerlan. I may leave gatebuilders territory due to his inactivity and pursue the Tigerlan fleet in to Pananab space. They fired on Tannelornian vessels with intention of destruction. At least in our eyes. Self defense. We cant let them get away with such powerful weapons so close to our homes. We are kind of psycho about that..that and they shot at us.

Ok, lemme put it this way... You can have longer, more detailed posts when MY shooting starts.

You will have to take them from our dead, cold hands!

Seriously, though, Pananab won't let the Seperatists to be active for a while yet. Not until the plans are drawn up to push out Tannenlorn and Balrogga, and possibly Waterhelper. Stowes sees them as the only real threat in the area as the Police. Pushing them out would allow Pananab to establish a stable empire and be able to settle down. Stowes doesn't care about Waterhelper, but as they discovered the area, he thinks they deserve to keep what they have, he just doesn't think they have the right to say what goes on in other nations.

Also, Pananab will not follow any of the rules, as they made no claim through Waterhelper. They found a place that had not been ventured into and claimed it. From the way they see it, it was unexplored territory and they were the first there, so they had every right to claim it.

But, Stowes will be more willing to cooperate if the Panrabia crashes on a planet. To him, that would be a sign that this is the Pananab homeworld, and would make this claim. If the war is to successwful, he will make the same claim. Either way, this is where Pananab will make its capital.

Also, can we make a map for this?

Well i have a better idea then just a map. How about we get a forum. An actual forum at invisionfree. I have no idea how to do this however. But i do know how to set it up.

And tigerlan i would like to finish the battle between Valor and Zealous crusader and the vengeance SSD its fluid time so it can still be going on. I apologise my work takes so much time from me.

So Pananab, you want to ally with the Tigerlan seperatists..help them out.
I only currently have two ships their. half of the fleet is in my home system. And a massive battle group is currently blockading the gate builders. So this is the true start.

1.) I have yet to see TGB actually finish an RP. He even had the mods lock his intro thread while other nations were waiting a response from in it (Ha Dum for example).

2.) A map of the star cluster would be good. Only inherent problem is that a cluster is usually 3-dimensional.

3.) My posts very in length depending on RL matters and how much is needed to get the point across. I just don't go in for all that filler junk.

Can someone please respond to the ships I have targeted? Any movement other than one strictly obedient to the instructions will be taken as an attempt at resistance.

I have basiclly fired the shot over the bow with the laser light show. The ships also have been warned twice by direct messages the captain has sent himself. Ther has been plenty opportunity to comply so any events afterwards are on the rebel ships, not the captain.

Besides, he recieved reports of these ships firing upon Tanelorn vessels...



EDIT:

I agree, we need some sort of map of the Cluster that would reflect our locations, the locations of our borders, and any "navigational" hazards like nebula and other potentially ship damaging areas

You will have to take them from our dead, cold hands!

Seriously, though, Pananab won't let the Seperatists to be active for a while yet. Not until the plans are drawn up to push out Tannenlorn and Balrogga, and possibly Waterhelper. Stowes sees them as the only real threat in the area as the Police. Pushing them out would allow Pananab to establish a stable empire and be able to settle down. Stowes doesn't care about Waterhelper, but as they discovered the area, he thinks they deserve to keep what they have, he just doesn't think they have the right to say what goes on in other nations.

Also, Pananab will not follow any of the rules, as they made no claim through Waterhelper. They found a place that had not been ventured into and claimed it. From the way they see it, it was unexplored territory and they were the first there, so they had every right to claim it.

But, Stowes will be more willing to cooperate if the Panrabia crashes on a planet. To him, that would be a sign that this is the Pananab homeworld, and would make this claim. If the war is to successwful, he will make the same claim. Either way, this is where Pananab will make its capital.

Also, can we make a map for this?

Wait a sec... You didn't make a claim? That means that you're fair game, since you don't qualify as a legitimate owner of that territory.

A very good point MM. There is no such thing as squatters rights in The Cluster. Either you requested permission to settle, or you are here illegially. If it your view that you are not here legally, and thus has to follow the rules, then you will soon see the police knocking on your door with a notice to vacate.

Waterhelper will likely not be on for some time today.

I am persuing this IC by asking Waterhelper in our new base. Meanwhile, I have ships on the way. If I have to I will use my Kythons to remove all traces of them from the planet.

I am persuing this IC by asking Waterhelper in our new base. Meanwhile, I have ships on the way. If I have to I will use my Kythons to remove all traces of them from the planet.

Come on man, don't I get to kill ANYTHING??? Kythons are used on BIG enemies, or thing that you should want REALLY dead. Pananab should be cold meat for the Zeji.

Not for fightin them, to wipe all traces of them from the system so it will be "sterilized" of anything Pananab for the next tennent.

Can you think of anything that would do the job more efficiently short of a stellar event to get the job done? A couple hours with a full swarm and the planet would be clean again. They would leave anything considered "natural" alone, of course. Bambi would not be included in that definition so he will still die.

Not for fightin them, to wipe all traces of them from the system so it will be "sterilized" of anything Pananab for the next tennent.

Can you think of anything that would do the job more efficiently short of a stellar event to get the job done? A couple hours with a full swarm and the planet would be clean again. They would leave anything considered "natural" alone, of course. Bambi would not be included in that definition so he will still die.

Kythons are good at that I guess. I have dibs on killing anyuthing that moves! Inbcluding Bambi.

After we are all done, there will be Venison for us to share.

After we are all done, there will be Venison for us to share.

SWEET!

I just wish some of the others would post soon. They must have realized JOLT was up by now...

A very good point MM. There is no such thing as squatters rights in The Cluster. Either you requested permission to settle, or you are here illegially. If it your view that you are not here legally, and thus has to follow the rules, then you will soon see the police knocking on your door with a notice to vacate.
Pananab never filed for a claim on their sector, but Waterhelper DID give it to us after we claimed it. So, technically, it is ours legally. I'll dig up the post if you want. So we're not free game, nor are we squatters.

Well, either you are legally herew and has to follow the rulesa like everyone else or you are not and don't have to.

In the IC Thread - put the question to the Founder to answer. I believe you were the only one to settle before asking.

It is all up to Waterhelper's interperation.

Pananab never filed for a claim on their sector, but Waterhelper DID give it to us after we claimed it. So, technically, it is ours legally. I'll dig up the post if you want. So we're not free game, nor are we squatters.

You don't follow the rules, you're fair game. So... Gonna follow the rules, or gonna get destroyed? Binary solution set.

Well, we haven't broken any yet, so we've following them.

Well, we haven't broken any yet, so we've following them.

According to Waterhelper you're fomenting war. That's a violation.

The discussions are still under way, so as of yet there has been no official ruling. Don't be so hasty.

If you reread my council post you will notice there are sentries at the door. You would have to RP getting past them because this would have been a closed security session. I own the station and I had to show my I'D.

Since you admit to not participating in council affairs, there would be a diffacult case to argue you even having a rep on the station.

Getting one there would be impossible in the timeframe involved. You have a deathfleet above your planet that just gave you 12 cycles to go or else.

My ship heard the message and used the Space Minus Transmitter to call HQ. They called an emergency security meeting to resolve the legality issue and to place ships in position to either aid the MM ships or to stop them. My ships haven lt arrived yet and they only take 10 minutes to Wormhole anywhere. That means there has been less than ten minutes passed IC.

If you reread my council post you will notice there are sentries at the door. You would have to RP getting past them because this would have been a closed security session. I own the station and I had to show my I'D.

Since you admit to not participating in council affairs, there would be a diffacult case to argue you even having a rep on the station.

Getting one there would be impossible in the timeframe involved. You have a deathfleet above your planet that just gave you 12 cycles to go or else.

My ship heard the message and used the Space Minus Transmitter to call HQ. They called an emergency security meeting to resolve the legality issue and to place ships in position to either aid the MM ships or to stop them. My ships haven lt arrived yet and they only take 10 minutes to Wormhole anywhere. That means there has been less than ten minutes passed IC.

In case anyone is wondering, that's 1 hour. Because I'm evil, and a short time frame amuses me. If Bal says they're legal, the Zeji will back off.

Pananab never filed for a claim on their sector, but Waterhelper DID give it to us after we claimed it. So, technically, it is ours legally. I'll dig up the post if you want. So we're not free game, nor are we squatters.

Could you link to the post where that happened?

you do relize bal, that we arent even moving and you posted to late to get my fleet at all? weve been near the Pananb Flagship for qite some time, oh and Tannelorn, im working on a post for the fluid time, Ive been busy

Since Tannelorn posted after you about getting fired at, including combat maneuvers I thought these were the same group.

How can we rectify this?

Well what i say is that it is a different group, after all then the main fleet. My main post was simply moving in to his territory to stop them fighting. These ships attacked me. Its 4 vessels i believe. 3 trying to escape and the larger ship is trying to hold them off. That works nicely really. In doing this icly we actually give pananab and Tigerlan a chance to get a real war going.

I'll edit the post so it reflects I am targeting the group where you are fighting.

I think I edited it correctly to show I went to the correct group of ships.


Pananab, please read the OOC post I submitted earlier (#33) about your appearance in the council chambers. After you adjust your post accordingly, I will answer. Remember, if you bust into the room you might just get arrested.

...or shot by the guard trying to do his job.

Like I said earlier, the meeting was a closed security session. That means the security forces would be the ones having the meeting. The participants were the Founder and the police forces. We were discussing an emergency situation that warrented having armed guards at the door keeping out anyone who did not belong in the emergency security session.

I edited my earier posts to rectify a mistake I made in my understanding with those ships (you need to reply, by the way...) so it would only be fair to edit your posts.

Put simply, you would be shot if you barged into a closed security session. Pananab does not even have anyone that is recognized at the station since he didn'tt participate in the Council. That is a completely different session

Hmmm...

Please rectify your mistakes you made in the council chamber.

Also please post what is happening with the ships I have been targeting (the ones that were fighting Tannelorn). Nobody ever seemed to finish that battle. I arrived and everyone ignored me.


If you have a problem editing your posts with the council mistake, remember I edited several of my posts to rectify a mistake I made earlier. It is only fair.

Now onto the maw...

SeaQuest-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10439672&postcount=336
And since we haven't fought yet, and that was the only term, our claim is still legal not that I re-read it.

That battle became ignored and i think i know why, its alright however. Basically from what i am gathering several of us are trying to tie in to the Chaos war thread idea chronosia had. Its a wonderful idea. That and Tigerlan was trying to actually set up sides for a war. Bravo. After all this could be alot more fun that way. Now what i am imagining would be a good way to go about this at this point would be to have Balrogga try to stop this maw, drawing mini in and whatever plans he has. Currently i will engage the Pananabians, really looking for Tigerlan. This should become a flashpoint to the war.

However to make this really good. So we can take some time on this war, not just make it a short one, after this first few shots, the nations [or parts therein] that feel "persecuted" by the law nations should band together..perhaps under the chaos banner? Not sure but i do hope chron and the chaos armada makes an appearance.

Waterhelper, you have thought of something not many others did, a place where just about anything can happen, and is at least so far. Now if chron and them come in to turn this in to a massive war, then its all hats off. And it could be alot more fun. And much less one sided. After all chron and i are reasonably evenly matched, he has more pop but in the 700 or so million range, not the 2 billion+ differences that we have been witnessing so far.

SeaQuest-
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10439672&postcount=336
And since we haven't fought yet, and that was the only term, our claim is still legal not that I re-read it.

Thanks for the link. Only asked to double-check/triple-check. One can never be too sure about things. Not that I'm paranoid or anything, lol.

The real wrench tossed into the gears is the Entropy effects upon my nation from the Maw. The merging of the nova event with the Maw would establish a permanent feature in the Cluster. I could do something about it over time but at the moment I have other things that are more important.

I posted assumong both Tigerlan and Pananab backtracked like Pananab did when he changed his post.

I am assumong the old text (marked "saved" I think) has nothing to do with the events that is going on currently and you have kept it there so you can copy,paste it when you needed it.

ill change my post. I would like to point out though, Tigerlan is definently not supporting Pananb or any of his actions, we are only granting the Rebels Indipendance from Tigerlan due to the new threat of choas

Balrogga: That is correct.

Tannenlorn: Basicly Pananab has been expecting this kind of force, so we're ready. My larger ships aren't to be underestimated. They are some of the most powerful ships constructed. My medium ships are very varied, and smaller ones are usually pieces of junk. Firing on Civilian ships, stations, or the fleeing Tigerlans will end in a declaration of war and Pananab will fully commit. Zheng wants to keep this within the Cluster, and Pananab will take this to the Council when they speak to justify their actions.

I've rethought on what I'm going to do after Meihm threatened me. I'm not that experienced with military fights, so I didn't want to experience the slaughter that Meihm would probably impose apon me.

And just note that Pananab is willing to cooperate as best it can. It won;t give up teh Tigerlans, but has already offered to repair and/or pay for the damage taken from the ships in our protection.

Before we go further, I will explain the way we see things.

Tigerlan goes into civil war and suddenly the rebel forces get accepted by Pananab. It looks like they were behind the fighting but (since they actually were not) there is no proof yet.

Currently we are trying to figure out what caused the firefight and to get some ships in there for damage control.


The MAW and the Entropy is another matter. HQ is waiting for the crew to get back to be fully briefed but since they are in shuttles, it will take longer to get to the nearest ship, and then to the HQ.

Meanwhile, the Entropy is spreading......


One question, are our borders touching or is there wide areas of neutral space that nobody (but technically Waterhelper) owns as their territories, This would make for interesting RP as we dance in and out of the Neutral Zones. Like the international waters we have on Earth, free for any nation to use.

This would make it easier to create a map, if anyone started one.

No worries Pananab, i like your style a great deal. I prefer RP to all else. My ships are very good, but right now i am so vastly outnumbered only tactics can truly prevail, i simply dont have enough weapons to keep fighting. I would burn out my ships cannons before i could destroy all of your ships.

However we are going to have a fight on our hands. And since i only have the resources currently in cluster to utilise against anyone, this is going to be proportional.

As i said, i like your style and this will be pure rp. :)

A nasty fleet skirmish that turns in to a majour shooting match. Thats the idea on this one. ;)

And yes lets get the chaos boys in here! Pananab i know you are one of them, so no worries but i hope we can get more. Entropy/chaos whatever it is, is one of my favourite "antihero's" of all time. And i would enjoy facing them greatly!

I posted in the IC thread before seeing this post. If you want me to change anything, just ask.

Not a problem, i did the same..hmmm well actually, since pananab has the bast numerical superiority, we consider the fight even. Since after all the proportion of the fleet Pananab has against us is massive 4000 vessels, to perhaps 300. Even if many of them are obsolete and not so great, there are some good ones.
And numbers are quite important. However its not so bad if your canny.

However now would be a perfect time for any other people to jump in on the pananab [chaos i will state, since the chaos war thread can easily tie in to ours]
side. And i will hope that they do :) otherwise we may have to change the thread a bit.

Well, the Entropy is affecting my people (the headaches and other stuff) so I am going to be fighting more fiercely than usual.

I am using this opportunity to make a change in my nation that was caused by the Entropy. Things might get hairy but, well, we will just have to see.

Here is the composition of the four battlegroups I brought into the battle



Battlegroups 2-5


Avatar Carrier - 2
Intruder Carrier - 2
Desolator Battleship - 4
Enforcer Battleship - 4
Infiltrator Cruiser - 4
Repulsive Cruiser - 5
Peacekeeper Cruiser - 5
Interceptor Destroyer - 5
Shadow Destroyer - 4
Vengeance Destroyer - 7
Idolator Frigate - 4
Torpedo Frigate – 26
Explorer Class - 3


The Idolator Frigates and the three Explorers are hanging back to protect the two Intruder Carriers. The Infiltrator Cruisers are still within T-Space with their Tripple-S deployed getting an extremely acurate four point view of the battlefield and surrounding areas. The Shadows and Repulsives are protecting the Avatars. The rest are attacking the Pananab forces.

The Avatar Carrier supports 2000 fighters while the Intruder Carrier supports 1000 so that means I dumped aproximetly 3000 Proteus Fighters into the area while holding 3000 in their hangers for a second wave or other use.

The rest of my capitol ships support from 10 to 20 fighters which they have not yet deployed but the pilots are waiting for launch orders.

The Psionic Shout is currently backed by a total crew of nearly 59.ooo members (not counting the cruisers in T-Space, only the ships in Real Space). Not everyone is broadcasting (only about half) but it is quite disconcerting.

Pananab is not offically on any side, but once Chaos gets involved, Pananab will ally with Chronosia for its own 'benefit'.

Pananab really has done nothing wrong by its own laws (Which are only used when convenient, but that's SIC.). In Pananab Courts, trials are often conducted with lawyers going back and forth with as many laws, resolutions, and decress as they can dig up to support their side. But all laws agree that this attack is unjustified other than for imperial gain, which is illegal by Cluster Law, so right now we feel stabbed in the back. Both Security Fleets are attacking when no reason has been given for said assault. After we asked for help from the second Security fleet, we get attacked by them, too, so right now we're a pretty disgruntled resident right about now.

And now to show some more chaotic actions.

The battlegroups switch from attacking to peacekeeping...

hi i never saw this thread untill now sorry and yes i made a map!!! i need to post it
forces:

20 Cheyenne class
50 Defiant class
10 Galaxy class
40 Intrepid class
5 Nebula class
50 New Orleans class
10 Prometheus class
50 Saber class
10 Sovereign class
20 Springfield class
50 Yeager type
1 Daytona class carrier
2,000 Peregrine class fighters (warp fighters)
2,500 nanobot fighters
5 nanobot ships
5 Jackson class battleships


map:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1615/maop1dn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Oh pananab i think you misunderstand exactly what a Gamma ray laser or X ray laser is, its more commonly known as a Graser or a Xaser. Basically..you simply cannot get a more powerful laser weapon, Xasers make phasers look like childrens toys. Trust me the casualties would have been horrific.

The reason nukes make wonderful sensor distractions, is because of the massive emp pulse. There is no weapon in Tannelorns arsenal that can be "wanked". Basically a Graser can put a hole through anything, so can a Xaser, and they dont like to be stopped, the actual radiation dissipates long before the beam strikes the target, its the massively powerful laser beam that does the killing :). Grasers and Xasers are really more like the Phasers and disruptors of the NS universe. They are the RL equivalent. A ridiculously powerful energy weapon, that cannot simply be nullified.

And yes we stopped shooting i just had graveyards. I would edit the post a bit to remove the Gamma ray and nuke statements, now that its been cleared up a bit better :).

That was a short battle though >.< haha. Its ok really. Now lets start negotiating and making an actual cluster treaty.

what i find oddly annoying is that you never thought to ask what cuased the civil war.............you just instantly assume it was pannanb? it was cultural issues........ funny isnt it? the police forces cuase more trubble then the rest of us!!!! some police!!!!:upyours: :mad: :sniper:

Since I am part of the policing forces I will assume I am included in this generalization.

As we discussed on MSN, I OOC knew why your crew did what they did. We spoke about it when I asked you.

Now, my normal actions would have been to arrive and ask but thanks to an event brought upon us all by MM (the Maw). I have had to RP my nation acting uncharacteristicly. They jump into battle, change their views, change their opinions, ect...

The visable signs that something is amis are the headaches, inconsistant actions, and other that will become apparent over time.

The ENTROPY is affecting them, making my Ta'Nar and Childer act chaotic. Eventually they will regain Balance but until then, I will continue to RP this way.

The next manifestation of their entropic natures will be bloody obvious.

The entropy would be affecting my people to but its effects are diminshed by the genetic modifications to the mind (think of it like a ancient in the stargate universe)

I will explain exactly what is happening as long as everyone keeps this as OOC information.

The crew of The Three Hour Tour was exposed to massive amounts of Entropy. They are basically infected in a way and would return to normal and nothing would have come out of the whole thing. The problem is they escaped and jumped into Hyperspace. I am using the Babylon 5 version of Hyperspace where it amplifies Psi.

Now, all my people are connected, or linked in a way. It is like a shared conscious or subconscious, depending upon the race. The Ta’Nar are directly linked together while the Childer have not developed their link so it is only subconsciously.

Well, when Entropy infected the crew went into Hyperspace, their connections were amplified allowing the Entropy to affect everyone. First the Ta’Nar will be affected, then the Childer. The symptoms are headaches and/or blurry vision. This is because the Entropy is changing the way they interact with their clone bodies. It would be like a form of tissue rejection transplant patients could experience. The feedback is affecting their ability to connect with their artificial bodies. Eventually they will be driven out of it by the pain. Also, once they leave their bodies, they will not be able to return. The crew aboard the 4 battlegroups I used will discover that soon. This means we will either have to interact with you mind to mind, or use a substitute form that we can inhabit.

Also, their actions are becoming more erratic and unpredictable, uncharacteristic. They have so far demanded answers in council meetings, jumped into battle without investigating, called for cease fire right after entering previously mentioned battle, wishing someone would so something so they can shoot them, and some others that don’t come to mind at this moment.

The erratic and uncharacteristic actions will slowly increase and the other nations will see either the Empire becoming more enigmatic as they begin to hide their appearance or they will take on a new form that they can inhabit. Quite possibly something else might happen.

Whatever happens, I hope this slow change will enrich the RP with at least a little mystery.

I am waiting for Pananab and Waterhelper to meet on The Hopeful for the talks to start.

Please post your arrival in the IC Thread.

Tannelorn and Mini Miehm, please keep all OOC comments restricted to this Thread only. The comments in the RP Thread only detract from the experience and make it sould like you both are squabbling little children. I know we are all adults here and we can get along.

Also, I modified that warp storm by placing one of my ships in there when it went BOOM. That created a dimensional rupture that would make it last, well, until I get around to fixing the tear if reality with my Dimensional Technology. Then the warp storm again becomes a tempory fixture of the area.

Actually the exposure to the Entropy and the subsequent jumping into hyperspace (Babylon 5 type) are the only things I used from the scenerio. Everything that happened and will happen is because of those escape craft. The removal of the warp storm will not change anything with what is going to happen.

Tannelorn and Mini Miehm, please keep all OOC comments restricted to this Thread only. The comments in the RP Thread only detract from the experience and make it sould like you both are squabbling little children. I know we are all adults here and we can get along.

Also, I modified that warp storm by placing one of my ships in there when it went BOOM. That created a dimensional rupture that would make it last, well, until I get around to fixing the tear if reality with my Dimensional Technology. Then the warp storm again becomes a tempory fixture of the area.

Actually the exposure to the Entropy and the subsequent jumping into hyperspace (Babylon 5 type) are the only things I used from the scenerio. Everything that happened and will happen is because of those escape craft. The removal of the warp storm will not change anything with what is going to happen.

I don't care WHAT you do with it. All that matters is that it exists, and that by utilizing any of its effects, and making it permanent, you've made it possible to use in OTHER RPs. It's the same effect my Terrans got from NS War 1 and other early conflicts. If a big nation accepts it then it gets transferred acceptance, especially if the nation is respected. It's how so much gets done around here.

TECHNICALLY; what you actually have is a warp rift (Thanks to Balrogga's interference). Said Rift could affect the star, thus making it spew corruption itself. While the Word Bearer's irradiated Calth's sun to smite the Ultramarines, what has occured here is far more interesting; in fact, what has occured here is the creation of an active vehicle of permanent system-wide corruption. You could remove it, but only by destroying the star and thus burning your system AND dispersing the corruption further.

ITS GENIUS!

Furthermore, it occurs to me that this could be used to 'poison the well' against C'tan feeding on stars ;)

@ MM

True but the number of nations that accept it also figures into the equasion. For example, if 3 respected nations accept something as opposed to 20 younger ones, which would hold more power on NS. That is a tricky question because it also brings into account the followings, alliances, and likability of the players themselves. It is an equasion that cannot be summerized very easily.

@ Chron

Thanks, I guess that makes me an accidental genius?

@ MM

True but the number of nations that accept it also figures into the equasion. For example, if 3 respected nations accept something as opposed to 20 younger ones, which would hold more power on NS. That is a tricky question because it also brings into account the followings, alliances, and likability of the players themselves. It is an equasion that cannot be summerized very easily.

@ Chron

Thanks, I guess that makes me an accidental genius?

You make a very good point Bal. When CW accepted alot of the things I did he gave me my early credibility, and so it went. With all of CWs allies I was a 10 minute wonder.

Yes it is, i rather like the idea, thank you mini miehm. Now lets resolve this conflict in the system, and in waterhelpers and we can declare the war pretty much at an end. However i am going to utilise this newly corrupted sun in RP with the newly acquired territory and colonies i took from mini miehm.

However the fleet, isnt getting away so easily! Same thing with the waterhelper system.

Yes it is, i rather like the idea, thank you mini miehm. Now lets resolve this conflict in the system, and in waterhelpers and we can declare the war pretty much at an end. However i am going to utilise this newly corrupted sun in RP with the newly acquired territory and colonies i took from mini miehm.

However the fleet, isnt getting away so easily! Same thing with the waterhelper system.

There are few ships in either system. And you should know what a Warp Storm does to a system. I specifically plan on going the "sentient moon" route.

It was more of an accident that Mini got that affect, in fact the effect of the attack is more like a booby trap then a direct weapon. There is no warp storm however, though there very much is a chaos threat. One to which the tannelornians will be unwary, and it will be seeded in the mini miehm colonists taken as a protectorate.

Plenty of potential for future trouble, especially when the devout tannelornians start to realise there is something wrong with mini;s people, and its not inbreeding. Though that would be the first idea with chaos mutations springing up amongst the Mini miehm.

And of course then I'll get involved to study the effects; very very interesting to reap the fruits of our endeavor. It will be quite amusing.

It was more of an accident that Mini got that affect, in fact the effect of the attack is more like a booby trap then a direct weapon. There is no warp storm however, though there very much is a chaos threat. One to which the tannelornians will be unwary, and it will be seeded in the mini miehm colonists taken as a protectorate.

Plenty of potential for future trouble, especially when the devout tannelornians start to realise there is something wrong with mini;s people, and its not inbreeding. Though that would be the first idea with chaos mutations springing up amongst the Mini miehm.

*points at Warp Rift* If it can be done once, it can be done again. The fact that there are already a rather decent number of Daemons on the planet, sustained by the Warp Tainted radiation from the sun should tip you off rather quickly. And remember, enjoy the Bloodthirster. Since you simply won't accept the previously established result, we'll go with the rather unpleasant Solar Warp. Just remember, YOU will start developing mutations too. Enjoy your 6th arm. ;)

Actually no, you only develop mutations if your already corrupt [for the most part], the real danger is spiritual corruption, which may or may not be an effect, considering Tannies are much like say sisters of battle or SM with the spritual devotion, to their own religion.

Tannelorn <<<< 40k Fluff master 13 years. Hahah, dont worry the reason i didnt accept was the canon was totally wrong, the warp isnt a weapon like that. ITs much nastier then a simple obliteration strike. Planting the seeds of chaos amongst a populace. Though more so what you did was gave tannelorn a chance to learn about chaos. Since we have never encountered it before its going to be rather nasty.

[probably end in a full scale nuking and quarantine heh.]

Actually no, you only develop mutations if your already corrupt [for the most part], the real danger is spiritual corruption, which may or may not be an effect, considering Tannies are much like say sisters of battle or SM with the spritual devotion, to their own religion.

Tannelorn <<<< 40k Fluff master 13 years. Hahah, dont worry the reason i didnt accept was the canon was totally wrong, the warp isnt a weapon like that. ITs much nastier then a simple obliteration strike. Planting the seeds of chaos amongst a populace. Though more so what you did was gave tannelorn a chance to learn about chaos. Since we have never encountered it before its going to be rather nasty.

[probably end in a full scale nuking and quarantine heh.]

It's not being used to obliterate you, it's being used to do nasty things to the planet and surrounding system, which will obliterate you. Like Otagias Sentient Moon scenario. Either way, you still get to play with my ships, and soon some Miehmish Daemon Ships. *is going to actually turn one of his planets into a Chaos Colony.* Corruption is fun. ^_^

Waterhelper with your approval can this be the new map. I say this map looks more like a territorial map than yours no offence.

http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cluster4ez.jpg

but I did follow the placement of your map territories though.

Oh yes I should proclaim my neutrality in the IC thread but I guess I shouldnt bother since its already very late.

It seems you placed Balrogga on the edge while I was in the center so I could act as a center of commerence and policing.

I like the spaces you placed in between the nations.

Here are the posts where I was granted the space. I see the origional mistake was made in WH's map and nobody noticed.

The origional request (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10383377&postcount=48)

Posts #64, #66, and #67 (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467217&page=5)

Well its wonderful we get to fix it and the new thread for the Cluster is up, its simply called the Cluster.

I am going to give a try at making a map too. This will show the Cluster in a three dimensional state by slicing it into three layers.

The top and bottom layer will have 5 territories each while the middle will contain ten.

The center will remain unoccupied because that is where the highest levels of radiation from the great number of stars, making any worlds uninhabitable. There will be four territories around this "hot zoneK and six larger one skirting these four on the edge of the central layer. This is also where the MAW will be.

Last night I created the three slices using Doga. The hard part will be assigning the territories to the correct nation. Was the MAW really between Hob and Tigerlan? I thought it was near SeaQuest territory. Do people want borders that touch or a lot of empty space "international waters" between territories?

Today I have a Wake to go to in a couple hours plus a few other things that need to be done, so I don't know if it will get finished before I have to work my 16 hr shifts this weekend.

For the record: The Rebels don't have any territory to their name, they're just ships part of the fleet right now.

Oh, and what's happened? My parents got seperated and I'm bouncing about right now, so I've had little time for NS.

Should we assume you are participating int he talks without you posting?

I mean you being there but anything decided would have to be approved by you, obviously. Being there just sitting without saying a word.

Well its alright, and middle territory can still be claimed, after all despite it being a cluster, its not as densely packed as some of them. In fact 500 stars is a teeny tiny number. Most of the worlds would just be sand ravaged hells however. heh. ITs all good pananab and there is a new Cluster IC posting colonial/exploration/diplomacy thread i will remind everyone again to check it out :).

Sorry Balrogga I was just following Waterhelper's Placement of territories on his map but i guess i could switch you and the capital.
Pananab that could be where the Rebel Fleet is stationed.
I think the map is good because it actually looks like an upgraded version of Waterhelper's.

Oh and no planet is uninhabitable, you just have to work hard to make it habitable such as Habitat Domes and Terraforming atmospheres. Balrogga will this new map follow mine and Waterhelper's map or will it be custom

Ok lol im done for now with this post now I will have to get a factbook about my expedition or repost it in the new forums

The capital could be mine because I am using my BF as the council halls and the HQ of the policing actions. That is where the Council Meetings are being held. It is in the Draconus System, orbiting the primary star (Thus Draconus Prime) there are two other stars in the system, one a small white dwarf spiraling with a Neutron star. when the neutron star collapsed into what it is today, the expulsion of energy stripped awat most of the stellar materials for it's companion star, thus depositing it throught the system.

This is a rich system with one of my inhabitable worlds (I placed each in their own systems) in the green belt. Around this planet called Draconus Prime 3 orbits the blackstone fortress I have. Guarding the system is the Imperial Task Force which includes one of the Planetkillers I purchased 18 months ago from Cam III.

I would offer this to act as the capital of the Cluster if WaterHaven wishes it to be.

my map would be two mall round maps with a larger one sandwiched between them to show the Cluster in three dimensions. There would be 5 territoried above and below the central plane of the cluster. The remaining ten would be situated around the center with four small and dense territories surrounded by 6 larger and less dense territories. The same amount of stars would be in each territory but there would also be space between them to allow for nations to travel around unfriendly nations, even above or below in this model.

Remember, I am not making a map that I will demand to be used, only offering one that others might like to use. Just a contribution that will not bother me if it is not chosen.

I created the clusters in the map using DOGA so it would be completely origional...

Ok I typed in the novel of my expedition lol. 5 Chapters.

Oh and by the way the status of the New Siberian colony can be checked.

http://www.nationstates.net/newsiberia

Here are the maps I created. There are not any territories assigned. I figured I would get your opinion before I went through the work. The redish star in the central map at about 10:00 is the Warp Rupture



Cluster Upper Region (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/clusterupper.jpg)

Cluster Central Region (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/clustercenter.jpg)

Cluster Lower Region (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/clusterlower.jpg)

those look like 3 kinds of my map.

I used a scatter pattern I found among the parts files in DogaL3. I overlaid several patterns rotating them so it would look like they were randomly placed and applied a white 450% emission mask abd a yellow 250% emission mask to make the stars glow. On the center layer I doubled the pattern by duplicating the entire part stack but I reduced them about 1/2 so it would concentrate the stars at the center. I then placed a sphere woth a 500% emission and reduced it to the point where only the glow and a bit of the sphere was visable for representing the Warp Storm. I then used a plain black background without stars and rendered the three as JPEGs. I used Macromedia Fireworks to draw the borders. I used a 3 pixel brush fir the lines. I then numbered the territories starting with the top regions. I had to place a "glow" effect on the central territories so the numbers could be easier to read. I exported them as JPEGs and saved the PNG files so I could make adjustments if they were needed. If the maps are not chosen I can save them for something else.

I'm prettuy sure the "massive AM torpedo" trick wouldn't work. If it did we'd have ST ships slamming into planets on a fairly regular basis.

Well Tannelorn is going to tell Waterhelper very very firmly not to do it again [when i can post again, tommorow likely sorry..work ; ;] Its no big deal really, just consider it to add to the nuclear winter effect.

And a note on that we use clean nukes for a reason. Standard doctrine is to create a nuclear winter to make it easier to perform our standard types of operations. High speed hit and run strikes. That and we come from mars, on mars nukes are used like normal people use artillery. However with the strike from two waterhelper ships, the nuclear bombardment would stop immediately..it would screw up our calculations.

After all we dont want to kill the colonists, we want to sieze the colony.Its going to be interesting and remember mini, there is going to be alot of opportunity for chaos cult work in the cluster now. Especially with tannelorn having no idea what chaos is, and having no trouble letting the citizens of the miehmish colony talk to other people in the cluster...which could lead to a massive war against chaos within the cluster in the future. Not to soon of course, after all chaos normally takes a few years to get ready ;).

Mini i think that was an awesome idea, a truly devious booby trap, thank you for it. These little chaos ideas are going to make the cluster very very interesting from now on i believe. Hell maybe the tyranids will come in, as they did on mars.

And i am glad the cluster is back up and running. After all its gained alot of interest from others as well.

Well Tannelorn is going to tell Waterhelper very very firmly not to do it again [when i can post again, tommorow likely sorry..work ; ;] Its no big deal really, just consider it to add to the nuclear winter effect.

And a note on that we use clean nukes for a reason. Standard doctrine is to create a nuclear winter to make it easier to perform our standard types of operations. High speed hit and run strikes. That and we come from mars, on mars nukes are used like normal people use artillery. However with the strike from two waterhelper ships, the nuclear bombardment would stop immediately..it would screw up our calculations.

After all we dont want to kill the colonists, we want to sieze the colony.Its going to be interesting and remember mini, there is going to be alot of opportunity for chaos cult work in the cluster now. Especially with tannelorn having no idea what chaos is, and having no trouble letting the citizens of the miehmish colony talk to other people in the cluster...which could lead to a massive war against chaos within the cluster in the future. Not to soon of course, after all chaos normally takes a few years to get ready ;).

Mini i think that was an awesome idea, a truly devious booby trap, thank you for it. These little chaos ideas are going to make the cluster very very interesting from now on i believe. Hell maybe the tyranids will come in, as they did on mars.

And i am glad the cluster is back up and running. After all its gained alot of interest from others as well.

No nids. No Eldar, Orks(unless Chron plays the Uruks), DE, or any other truly unpleasant 40k race. Tau would be cool though...

And the idea really WAS to replicate the SQ anomoly. I'll live with having several truly dangerous critters on the planet, each leading a few hundred to 1000 Daemons. And then leading Cults, and then perhaps beginning a massive genocidal war in the Cluster.

The rather major facility I had planned to put in on the planet is going to play a major role in this, since it's a major factory, with the ability to make many unpleasant/useful things. Like a shipyard, based on the planet.

EDIT: Shoot, forgot to change SNs. This was MM, screwing up LIVE on 103.7, II Radio.

Interestingly enough, in the 40k Canon Factories can become corrupted over time, as can anything. A perfect example is in on of the novels, where an ancient, corrupted manufactorium was found still capable of building Iron men [androids] However they were corrupt in all of their forms. And the factory had sentience of a sort, and started on its own. Need any ideas i am sure chron and i can fill you in on alot of the nast y gobbledygook of Chaos. There is literally so much i cant tell you unless i get an example. This post would be a mile long.

Anyways lets get back to the fighting so we can end this bit of the war. I envision this war actually as much more of a Star trekky Federation vs the klingons in the old series. Not an open war [after this] but more of any time a mini ship and tannie ship see each other they try to fight. This is mainly because neither of us know where each other lives. And in tannies case well, attacking me would be foolish not because of my size or the like, but because Sol is so heavily militarised that most attacking fleets in Sol are wiped out in minutes by dozens of space fleets. It happens all the time over mars.

To attack Sol you need majour coalitions, to attack mini miehm i have to get information that may not be easy to come by. At all.

I am just curious, Mini miehm are you going to respond any time soon?

I am just curious, Mini miehm are you going to respond any time soon?

My apologies, I've been away for awhile, and extremely busy, if you hadn't noticed. I'll try and post within the next day at thew very longest.

I really oughta get involved in the Cluster...Might post today

I wonder who would win in a fight the Ori or Chaos.

Its no problem, sorry for my impatience its just i have work and my days off seemed to coincide with your days not on, its not a biggy. Oh and i understand the doctor weapon completely. Tannie ships [of this era these are post secession vessels] Utilise a full scale pinpoint barrier system. This makes it so any ship killer round, if blocked will not kill the ship. Only cripple it horribly. Weapons like the doctor would cripple it worse, possibly cause most non essential crew to abandon ship as the vessel slowly loses more integrity.

I know the weapon though heh. I have two systems in these type of vessels that could "halt" the effect. However its still a big scary shipkiller [and note that it did more damage to that ship then any other ship killer being "blocked" ever would have, a nod to its power :).] Real reason the casualties are somewhat light so far is the sheer number of ships against you. Just going icly on that. The other ships if you want them to pull out ought to start trying to get away now, we wont pursue.

kk thanks :)

Its no problem, sorry for my impatience its just i have work and my days off seemed to coincide with your days not on, its not a biggy. Oh and i understand the doctor weapon completely. Tannie ships [of this era these are post secession vessels] Utilise a full scale pinpoint barrier system. This makes it so any ship killer round, if blocked will not kill the ship. Only cripple it horribly. Weapons like the doctor would cripple it worse, possibly cause most non essential crew to abandon ship as the vessel slowly loses more integrity.

I know the weapon though heh. I have two systems in these type of vessels that could "halt" the effect. However its still a big scary shipkiller [and note that it did more damage to that ship then any other ship killer being "blocked" ever would have, a nod to its power :).] Real reason the casualties are somewhat light so far is the sheer number of ships against you. Just going icly on that. The other ships if you want them to pull out ought to start trying to get away now, we wont pursue.

kk thanks :)

Ok, I getcha now. The ships won't try to run, they're too badly battered by now. Time to go out with a bang.

I seem to be the only one posting on the new thread tannelorn started up and I would hate to see this RP die, so plz post soon chronosia

Tannelorn... You seem to be using the stats contained in my old factbook. I should really have that locked/deleted.... The Bastard Tech References are outdated, and don't include my transition to almost pure Honorverse.