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THE EUROPEAN UNION
Official Site (http://europa.eu.int/)

http://www.visnet-noe.org/images/eu%20flag.png

Presidency of the EU:
2015 -
2014 -
2013 -
2012 - Denmark
2011 - Cyprus
2010 - Poland
France - 2009 - The Netherlands
Germany - 2008 - Portugal
Spain - 2007 - Lithuania
Austria - 2006 - Finland
Luxembourg - 2005 - United Kingdom
Ireland - 2004 - The Netherlands
Greece - 2003 - Italy
Spain - 2002 - Denmark
Sweden - 2001 - Belgium
Portugal - 2000 - France
Germany - 1999 - Finland
United Kingdom - 1998 - Austria

List of EU nations present in this simulation:

Austria - The Illyrians
Belgium -
CBAA - Cenaan
Cyprus -
Czech Republic -
Denmark - Seathorn
Estonia -
Finland -
France - Naktan
Germany - Lachenburg
Greece - Omorfia
Hungary -
Ireland -
Italy - Spizania
Latvia -
Lithuania - Canadstein
Luxembourg -
Malta -
The Netherlands - Citta Nuova
Poland - Ebedron
Portugal -
Slovakia -
Spain - The Macabees
Sweden -
United Kingdom - Evincas


Nations currently applying for EU admission:

Ukraine
Yugoslavia

TOTAL NATIONS AVAILABLE FOR VOTE - 12



Rules for using this thread:

1. Respect and obey the rules of God [Sel Appa], set forth in the main thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10388253&postcount=1).

2. Respect and obey the rules of the moderator of this thread [Naktan].

3. Contribute actively to get the most fun out of it all.

Rules regarding the EU:

Considering the fact that the EU is a parliamentary democratic federation of states, this is how we will go about maintaining the EU.

1. All decisions made by the EU shall be made on a multilateral consensus.
[you cannot say that your country is the voice of the EU; however you can say non-binding, non-committal, non-substantial comments on the behalf of the EU.

i.e.
On the behalf of the EU, the Republic of France offers its condolences to the aggrieved Russian Federation. (okay)

On order by the EU, the Republic of France condemns the Libyan Islamic Jamahiraya for its aggressive and belligerent actions to the Egyptian Arab Republic. (NOT OKAY)

If you want to say the latter, simply omit "EU" and it will be fine. The only decisions that have the backing of the EU are those that have been authorized in advance of Jan2006 and any decisions that have been authorized in this thread.]


2. Each nation is authorized a total of one [1/uno/un/ein] vote on substantial matters.
[Simply stated, you get one vote for every decision in this body, whether it is to pass a resolution, elect the presidency, and any other substantial material. Once I get some time, I will also post a list of substantial things that must have a vote to make a binding decision in the EU. In essence, this is like the UN; except with all members being permanent and no veto votes at all. And granted that you all have lives, I can't make every little thing substantial (in truth, there aren't many: declaration of war, new presidency, economic sanctions are the ones that top the list).]


3. Only nations that are a part of the EU may engage in debate and offer resolutions to the floor.
[This is just to prevent unwarranted ideas from clouting the EU floor. That said, another nation outside the EU can offer suggestions, critique on responses, and encourage action on our behalf, but they cannot engage in any active or substantial procedure.]


4. [akin to RULE 1] The Rules of God [Sel Appa] trump any and all rules in this forum. Violate them, and you're on trial with Russia [Sel Appa].


5. The Presidency of the EU shall last for one year [RL one week]. The EU President shall be elected by a parliamentarian rules, with a clear majority.
[As per the rule change in 2011, the President of the EU is elected by the members of the EU. To enforce this, the first four months of the year [RL 2 days] are open to candidacy declarations. After the fourth month [RL Wednesday 0000GMT], candidacies are closed and the election shall go on until November [RL Sunday 0000GMT]; if there are more than two candidates, the first round of elections will end on the ninth month [RL Firiday 0000GMT], and the second round will end on November [RL Sunday 0000GMT]. If no country places a candidacy, within the set time, the election of the next President will be by random lottery for that year [NO EXCEPTIONS AT ALL].]


6. New member states shall conform to EU standards before the EU Parliament votes to introduce them.
To all European states wanting admission to enter the EU, you must have a clean humanitarian record in the past two years [two weeks], provide for the separation of a religion and state, and actively pursue peace in the EU and the world.


7. Quorum shall be set at two-thirds of the EU member states at present [4 for the moment], where a majority of 1/2 +1 shall decide matters of lesser substantial worth [nothing emergency]. Any votes on substantial items of worth [i.e. admitting new members, declaring war, imposing sanctions, changing rules] shall be determined by a majority of two-thirds of those present.


8. A resolution shall be introduced and has one full year [RL one week] to achieve the required majority to pass; otherwise it fails.


ITEMS REQUIRING TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY:

1) Declaration of war by the EU;
2) Reform of the rules on this thread [historically, this is actually unanimous];
3) Enforcement of Sanctions by the EU against a state or party;
4) Admission of new EU member states.



When violations that are beyond a reasonable doubt detrimental to the proceedings of the EU or by consensus of the states present arise, this list of rules shall be edited.

SECRET IC TO ALL EU NATIONS:

The Republic of France would strongly encourage all EU member states to forgo any trade and military concessions to CIS and EAP states, as their potential to disturb the world balance radically has the potential to turn the world to war.

If you have any questions, please post them in a SECRET IC post...

The nation of denmark thinks that the EU needs to establish them selfs as more then just a econmic power so i would like the EU to start building a new space station so that we could become a scientific power.

Where?

thats not me i am not even arab or muslim

I would tend to agree... this could definitely be IAN.

it is not the IAN.

France announces its candidacy for Presidency in the year 2009.

We encourage all nations to enter into the Presidential elections, and we likewise endorse the candidacy of the Hellenic Republic of Greece.

Elections will take place soon.

China would like to submit a proposal to the EU to lift all military and economic bans and constrictions on China.

China would like to submit a proposal to the EU to lift all military and economic bans and constrictions on China.

The European Union will consider the proposal in a resolution.

[ooc: I need Europe to come here...otherwise, this is an aimless forum...I'll propose it to the EU where we will vote on it...]

OOC: Just post all Europeans check EU thread on th e main

OOC: Just post all Europeans check EU thread on th e main

I did that, and i posted on each individual threads...they're just not responding...

PROPOSAL A

Lift the weapons ban on China and open a trade of military supplies with the PRC.


Quorum needed - 6 (out of 10 possible) [this has changed...]

YAY- 1
NAY- 2

This proposal has until the end of the year [Monday 27FEB2005 at 0000GMT] to pass before it is legitimately passed or failed

RBA votes:
Proposal A: Yay


Romania & Bulgaria -joined EU in 2007

France announces its candidacy for Presidency in the year 2009.

We encourage all nations to enter into the Presidential elections, and we likewise endorse the candidacy of the Hellenic Republic of Greece.

Elections will take place soon.

Quorum - 6 [out of 10]

France - [France]; Netherlands
The Netherlands - [Netherlands]; France

[France votes for itself of course...]

The Netherlands votes for France too and is willing to become the candidate for the "other president" of the EU.

Also, I would like to put forward a proposal which gives the EU only 1 president per year [OOC: in RL, the EU presidency isnt elected at all. But if we are electing, then just make it one per year, that is a bit simpler]

I would also like to propose that the EU invites Yugoslavia and the Ukraine to start negotiations about becoming a memer. In other words, we should invite them to join the EU.

The Netherlands votes NAY on lifting the weapons ban on China.

[OOC At the top of the post, Romania should propably be replaced with RBA. And what happened to Turkey's status as an applicant nation?]

The Netherlands votes for France too and is willing to become the candidate for the "other president" of the EU.

Also, I would like to put forward a proposal which gives the EU only 1 president per year [OOC: in RL, the EU presidency isnt elected at all. But if we are electing, then just make it one per year, that is a bit simpler]

I would also like to propose that the EU invites Yugoslavia and the Ukraine to start negotiations about becoming a memer. In other words, we should invite them to join the EU.

The Netherlands votes NAY on lifting the weapons ban on China.

[OOC At the top of the post, Romania should propably be replaced with RBA. And what happened to Turkey's status as an applicant nation?]


[ooc] I will note the changes...and i guess if the real EU presidency isnt elected, this will be the first and last election of the EU, and from now on, it will be lottery of one state per year :)]

OOC: Well, we could introduce the elected presidency. I quite like the idea...

IC:
The representatives of the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg make a proposal for the European Parliament and European Council to consider:
Realising that the rotating presidency impairs the proper working of the Union, it will be advisable to change the system into something more democratic. We propose that from now on, the presidency shall be voted on every year. The presidency will retain the current responsibilities and countries can be re-elected three times in a row.

OOC: Well, we could introduce the elected presidency. I quite like the idea...

IC:
The representatives of the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg make a proposal for the European Parliament and European Council to consider:
Realising that the rotating presidency impairs the proper working of the Union, it will be advisable to change the system into something more democratic. We propose that from now on, the presidency shall be voted on every year. The presidency will retain the current responsibilities and countries can be re-elected three times in a row.

Quorum - 6 [out of 10]

YAY - 2 [Netherlands, France]
NAY - 0

[ooc: I know that it's "yea" ...I just lilke YAY better, and the meaning is easily inferred... and Netherlands, don't use all those countries in voting...each person gets only one vote, and having three countries doesn't give you the right to vote for all three countries...that said, the proposal is now on the floor...DEBATE!!!]

OOC: I know, for now I am voting for Netherlands only. But the proposal was made together... I am, however, planning to officially merge some time soon to form the BeNeLux federation, but that will take a little more time...

IC: Netherlands obviously votes YAY to the proposal, as it would significantly improve the practical workings of the EU on a daily basis!

In addition to that, we would like to extend our congratulations to France for becoming the Union's president as of today [OOC: I guess France is the president, as there were no other candidates:confused: ]

OOC: I know, for now I am voting for Netherlands only. But the proposal was made together... I am, however, planning to officially merge some time soon to form the BeNeLux federation, but that will take a little more time...

IC: Netherlands obviously votes YAY to the proposal, as it would significantly improve the practical workings of the EU on a daily basis!

In addition to that, we would like to extend our congratulations to France for becoming the Union's president as of today [OOC: I guess France is the president, as there were no other candidates:confused: ]

[ooc: France and the Netherlands... the last dual presidency...and if the proposal doesn't pass, the last election too, although i cant say it was an election...]

I'm going to clean up all of the proposals on the floor sometime, and seeing as 2010 is coming up, I'll draw straws [sorry Netherlands...but no one's voting...]

As the new representative of Poland i would like to put my vote in:
Poland-Vote for France

ironically, I draw straws for the 2010 presidency, and I drew Poland... :D

i appreciate the call, but we still need to pass the proposal to introduce EU presidential elections...

and furthermore, we have yet to resolve several other resolutions...i'll fix them as soon as the time peremits me [maybe today]

Secret IC to EU...
From Israel

"Please pay close attention to this message (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471911), and please reply there. Thank you."

Secret IC to EU...
From Israel

"Please pay close attention to this message (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471911), and please reply there. Thank you."

[ooc: stuff to France goes here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10463003#post10463003)...

stuff to EU stays in this thread...]

Thanks :)]

PROPOSAL B


IC:
The representatives of the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg make a proposal for the European Parliament and European Council to consider:
Realising that the rotating presidency impairs the proper working of the Union, it will be advisable to change the system into something more democratic. We propose that from now on, the presidency shall be voted on every year. The presidency will retain the current responsibilities and countries can be re-elected three times in a row.

Quorum needed - 7 (out of 11 possible)

YAY - 2 [Netherlands, France]
NAY - 2 [Poland, Denmark]

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PROPOSAL A

Lift the weapons ban on China and open a trade of military supplies with the PRC.

Quorum needed - 7 (out of 11 possible)

YAY- 1 [CBAA]
NAY- 3 [France, Netherlands, Denmark]

OOC: Well, we could introduce the elected presidency. I quite like the idea...

IC:
The representatives of the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg make a proposal for the European Parliament and European Council to consider:
Realising that the rotating presidency impairs the proper working of the Union, it will be advisable to change the system into something more democratic. We propose that from now on, the presidency shall be voted on every year. The presidency will retain the current responsibilities and countries can be re-elected three times in a row.

The Republic of Poland can not agree to this and if it must, it will put its name in for the presidency.

ooc: how can you speak for 3 nations??

Secret: TO Polish Military Command
Prepare military exercises in the north. Prepare test flight of the new PF-305.
Distribute prototype weapons to SF units involved in exercises. Exercise type: fast assault-city fighting.

i presume that poland votes no...

this guy apparently wants to unify the benelux kingdoms, and while it is acceptable, i already told him that he can only vote for one country, so it means little if thte other countries make a proposal because they won't be voting [until someone joins as those countries...

what about China?

Stance of Denmark of proposals A and B.

Proposal A:

Nay.

The EU should maintain economic ties with China, but weapons trade should not occur.

Proposal B:

Nay.

This would essentially eliminate Denmark as ever having the chance of presidency.

idk. why is China even involved with the EU? i think that who ever voted wins and we move on from this voting problem.

idk. why is China even involved with the EU? i think that who ever voted wins and we move on from this voting problem.

Because a huge military supplier to China in real life is France and Germany. ;)

Proposal:
Denmark wishes to condemn Italy, on account of it provoking a war between Italy and Tunisia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10551383&posted=1#post10551383

It is unacceptable that a european nation should start a war without consulting other EU nations, as the action of a single EU nation can result in the other EU nations being judged in the same light.

Therefore, Denmark votes to condemn Italy.

Proposal:
Denmark wishes to condemn Italy, on account of it provoking a war between Italy and Tunisia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10551383&posted=1#post10551383

It is unacceptable that a european nation should start a war without consulting other EU nations, as the action of a single EU nation can result in the other EU nations being judged in the same light.

Therefore, Denmark votes to condemn Italy.

YAY - 3 [Denmark, France, Spain]
NAY -

OOC: Shouldnt that be the other way around? as your voting TO condemn me

OOC: I agree, it should be two yays to condemn Italy.

:p diuhdhajfdsi;; :p

[OOC: I'm glad the coup in Spain when unnoticed within the EU. :cool: ]

[ooc: just becauses it went unmentioned doesn't it mean it went unnoticed :p]

And for the record, Spain issues a yay for the condemnation of Italy.

OOC: So is my weapons ban lifted?

I don't think so...but considering that quorum hasn't even been reached, the vote hasn't really been resolved either...

The Republic of Poland is preparing to withdraw from the EU if it continues to work in such an useless manner. We need to reorganize the system.

OOC: please make the discussions more straight-forward. what are we discussing at the momment. it doesnt make sense. could you please explain yourself more, maybe annual updates on what is occuring just to make a little more sense for us stupid people.hahaha.jp.thxs

It's only as useless as people don't use it...

PROPOSAL A

The PRC requests a lift on the weapons ban currently in place by the EU and NATO [can't do anything about the NATO part, but China basically wants to open up military trade with the EU].

Y- 3 [CBAA, Spain, Poland]
N- 3 [France, Netherlands, Denmark]

PROPOSAL B

Denmark proposes a resolution to change the presidency selection into a general election process by the EU member states.

Y- 4 [Netherlands, France, Spain, Poland]
N- 1 [Denmark]

PROPOSAL C

Denmark wishes to condemn Italy, on account of it provoking a war between Italy and Tunisia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....1#post10551383

It is unacceptable that a european nation should start a war without consulting other EU nations, as the action of a single EU nation can result in the other EU nations being judged in the same light.

Therefore, Denmark votes to condemn Italy.

Y- 3 [Denmark, France, Spain]
N- 1 [Poland]

Since apparently the major powers wont help (actually I never got a reply from the US) We appeal to the EU to help develop our resources to bring more of our population out of poverty and help us attain self sufficiency.

Proposal A: Y
Proposal B: Y

India: Spain is prepared to begin a private interaction between the subcontinent and the peninsula, although there would have to be some reassurances, such as India's alliance against the Australians. In return Spain would offer valuable assistance in India's economic and military developement, much like the program currently in progress with Iran.

The presidency hass been chosen for 2011 - The EU welcomes the presidency of Cyprus, and congratulates Poland on a successful presidency.

Resolution 1- Y
Resolution 2- Y
Resolution 3- N

PROPOSAL B

Denmark proposes a resolution to change the presidency selection into a general election process by the EU member states.

Y- 4 [Netherlands, France, Spain, Poland]
N- 1 [Denmark]


That makes no sense, we voted against it :p

Res 3 - no

While we are inclined to have open trade relations with India, we do not feel that India is in dire need of foreign aid, as some countries most certainly are.

[ooc: India is not on a proposal list...]

and FYI to all, I'm arbitrarily cutting off all resolutions for midnight [GMT] tonight...this quorum system works too slowly, so just bear with me as we get these things done...if you haven't voted on any of the following, PLEASE vote now...
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PROPOSAL AThe PRC requests a lift on the weapons ban currently in place by the EU and NATO [can't do anything about the NATO part, but China basically wants to open up military trade with the EU].

Y- 3 [CBAA, Spain, Poland]
N- 4 [France, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria]
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PROPOSAL B

To change the presidency selection into a general election process by the EU member states.

Y- 3 [Denmark, Spain, Poland]
N- 2 [France, Austria]
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PROPOSAL C

Denmark wishes to condemn Italy, on account of it provoking a war between Italy and Tunisia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....1#post10551383

It is unacceptable that a european nation should start a war without consulting other EU nations, as the action of a single EU nation can result in the other EU nations being judged in the same light.

Therefore, Denmark votes to condemn Italy.

Y- 3 [Denmark, France, Spain, Austria]
N- 1 [Poland]
Resolution 1- N
Resolution 2- N
Resolution 3- Y

I'm confused. Anyway, just to clarify Denmark's positions on the three proposals:
A - nay, Denmark seeks to limit all weapons trade and so finds this proposal a bad idea.
B - nay, this would effectively leave Denmark (with a smaller population) with less chance of being in the EU presidency.
C - aye, we wish that the EU condemn Italy for its invasion of Tunisia. We leave further action to the UN body.

the "res 3 - nay" that was in one of my later posts was directed at India's request, so please ignore it.

We could always give each EU country one vote, and each EU country puts its support behind one of the presidential candidates.

We could always give each EU country one vote, and each EU country puts its support behind one of the presidential candidates.

Yeah.

but, this government wishes to oppose elected EU presidencies. Maybe the next one (in 2014)

putting the EU to a general election process means that electing a new president will run just like a resolution vote, with each country getting one vote and passing by 1/2 majority...if there are more than two candidates, it will run like parliamentary elections, where the top two candidates will face off in a majority vote...

personally, seeing the effectiveness and the speed in which people reply, France has changed their vote, since I'd like to see a president on the thread rather than spend three years [or four] voting on the president that should have been elected for those three years ago...

So you just choose it?

Austria's Stance on the Resoultions:
Resolution 1- N
Resolution 2- N
Resolution 3- Y

ooc: I see your point Naktakn. Efficiency is the main issue here.

ic:
After much discussion with Spanish and French diplomats, the goverment has had internal politics going on. The opposition gathered together to enforce a yea vote on proposal B.

Following this re-groupment by the opposition parties (namely, the Conservative Party and the Danish People's Party), some members of the current government (the Socialist People's Party and some of the Radicals and Enhedslisten) voted against the majority coalition. This resulted in their move in the EU to be altered.

As such, the nay vote on proposal B has become a definite yea vote.

Seeing as the oting period has terminated, the following are in order:

Proposal A - fails

Proposal B - passes

Proposal C - passes

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As of now, the EU shall elect a nation to represent the EU as President. Please announce your candidacies for 2012 NOW!!!

Candidacy declarations end in 48 hours

I'll update the rules...

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The European Union formally condemns the member state of Italy for their unwarranted attack on Tunisia.

France moves to open EU membership to the following states; please vote on each separately:

Ukraine
Yugoslavia

[ooc: if these nations were already accepted in general forum, please tell me and this will completely disappear in the best capability that I wield...]

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France also moves to institute an expansion of the European Defense Integration Initiative [Initiative de l'Integration de la Defense Europenne]; to coordinate better the defense capability of the EU, to present a basic foundation for military industries in Europe, to modernize the military force of European nations, and to provide a force capable of assisting and defending the EU member states and allies.

Internal Minister Dacio Arsenal would like to represent Spain and the EU, as the latter's president.

Internal Minister Dacio Arsenal would like to represent Spain and the EU, as the latter's president.

[ooc: the official head of state or head of government [as it seems in your case] is the President of the EU...[i.e. your PM would become President of the EU].]

Spain's candidacy has been accepted.

[OOC: Ah, then retract my candidacy, since I don't think Phillip VI could run.]

[OOC: Ah, then retract my candidacy, since I don't think Phillip VI could run.]

[ooc: you don't have a PM?]

[ooc: you don't have a PM?]

[OOC: Nope, Phillip VI promised a return of a parliament, but nothing has been established yet.]

Polands chosen an emissary in parliment and we place him for his candidacy. We enter for the presidency of the EU.

[ooc: FYI to all wishing to extend their candidacies in the future...

Your Head of Government becomes the President of the EU. You do not need to set aside a special minister to serve that role. That said...]

Poland's candidacy declaration has been accepted. Currently, they are the only candidates in the race.

President Alexandru of the CBSS would like to throw his hat in the ring for president of the EU

CBSS's candidacy has been accepted; there are currently two nations vying for the spot.

The US would like to express its great interest in this latest round of election preparations, and also congratulate the EU on furthering its cause in creating a more unified Europe.

how did you get to be USA? i asked to be it right after No Taxes went missing. is that considered fair?

(OOC: I'm sorry? I really can't say if it's fair or not, only that Sel said I could.

EDIT: Lol, it's not that bad, though I thank you. I'd be asking the same thing TBH.)

The ESA announces the first test flight for the IXV [Intermediate Experimental Vehicle] to be within the next few days. The vessel has been prepped for launch from Kourou and the ESA authorities are anxious for a successful flight and re-entry.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Launchers_Home/SEMNCI1PGQD_0.html

Denmark feels that it could do a good job in the presidency of the EU, with its relatively central location and successful national implementation of mixed socialist and capitalist economic policies. Seeing as how the EU was always meant as an Economic union that should further political and social relations between the european countries, Denmark feels that it could best serve as the next president.

PM Jacob Andersen announces Denmark's candidacy for EU presidency, but would like for an EU parliament election to take place first (ooc: i.e. get every EU citizen to vote for new parties, so... somebody needs to figure out how that is going to be done). This way, the people's desire will be immediately reflected.

[ooc: the current EU parliamentary system runs on a direct democracy by the member states:

The European Parliament is made up of 732 Members elected in the 25 Member States of the enlarged European Union. Since 1979 MEPs have been elected by direct universal suffrage for a five-year period. Members

* Each Member State decides on the form its election will take, but follows identical democratic rules : a voting age of 18, equality of the sexes and a secret ballot.
European elections are already governed by a number of common principles : direct universal suffrage, proportional representation and a five-year renewable term.

* The seats are, as a general rule, shared out proportionately to the population of each Member State. Each Member State has a set number of seats, the maximum being 99 and the minimum five.

* Equality of men and women: the proportion of women in the European Parliament has risen steadily. At present about one third of MEPs are women.

* MEPs divide their time between Brussels, Strasbourg and their constituencies.
In Brussels they attend meetings of the parliamentary committees and political groups, and additional plenary sittings. In Strasbourg they attend 12 plenary sittings. In parallel with these activities they must also, of course, devote time to their constituencies.

* The Members of the European Parliament are grouped by political affinity and not by nationality.

* They exercise their mandate in an independent fashion.

* Members of the European Parliament, whose powers have become more and more extensive, influence every area of the day to day life of the European public: the environment, consumer protection and transport, as well as education, culture, health etc.

http://www.europarl.eu.int/parliament/public/staticDisplay.do?id=45&pageRank=3&language=EN]

PM Jacob Andersen announces Denmark's candidacy for EU presidency, but would like for an EU parliament election to take place first (ooc: i.e. get every EU citizen to vote for new parties, so... somebody needs to figure out how that is going to be done). This way, the people's desire will be immediately reflected.

[ooC: Seeing as three candidates have entered the race, the presidential election will run in parliamentary style, with all three in a primary race until RL Saturday [since the candidacy deadline is technically set for Thursday 0200GMT]. The top two leaders of the primary will face off in second rounds which will ideally end that Sunday [at the latest Monday 0000GMT]. I'm really hoping that people take a respect for this position and don't clutter the race with more than five contenders, seeing as there are only 12 of us currently...and do take note that while there is no term limits, in order to ensure equality of terms, please serve for no more than one term for every fie years...these aren't rules, but this is the system I will be running France by, and it would be respectable to others if they ran by a similar system to that, although I'm requiring it...]

ooc: that sounds very correct.

Can I also point out that the new parliament building in Brussels should be completed at this time? That means all those MEPs all have a nice new room to sit in With a beautiful building around them :D

That room is quite awesome by the way.

Oh yes: There should be translations to and from each possible EU language. There isn't always, but there should be. That's... a lot of languages (12+ at least and it's probably 22 if none of the new member states have similar languages, which I don't think they do.)

I shall personally stick to one term and avoid entering if a fourth candidate has announced themselves (in future elections).

[OOC: So, do we vote for the primaries? And could the candidates present some kind of plan that I can base my vote off?]

Please monitor this, as Australia details their plans in Somalia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581625

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[ooC: you're asking for a nightmare...I only know French and only tentatively read Spanish, Italian, and German...I'm not going to do translations, especially from and to Estonian, Latvian, Dannish, Norwegian, Finnish, Czech, Slovak, Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Portuguese, and Greek...]

[OOC: So, do we vote for the primaries? And could the candidates present some kind of plan that I can base my vote off?]

[ooc: if you'd like, you can vote in advance, but the main point is that the primaries end on Saturday 0000GMT...

And to echo Spain's call, the candidates should have speeches [i.e. plans] for the EU, so that others may have a reason to vote for you [other than that you're their friend and whatever...]...have a real plan for the EU, like expanding EU contributions to the ESA, or invest more funds in science and technology, or improve relations with Russia, the Middle East, or China, or even to cut back on the budget to pare down the EU to a less integrated structure and more of a federation of states...just your plans for the EU...and be reasonable about them... [the most excessive that I'll personally accept is the equivalent of JFK's mandate to the moon...]...have fun with it all :)]

CBSS President stands before the convened EU. Running for President of the EU is no minor matter yet he appeared calm. Looking at the group he spoke “To those who do not know me, my name is Victor Alexandru. I am the President of the Coalition of Black Seas States. I am here before you today to explain why I believe I would be a fitting leader of the EU. “
Victor cleared his throat “I have noticed during my working with the EU that while it is grand for us to have one large unified nation, People seem to fall back into their habits of independent states. I believe this would be solved fairly simply by reducing the overall government of the EU. While this would reduce the amount of power held by the government itself it would return a good amount of power back to the individual governments that make up our Union. I would of course maintain the Euro as it took a while for it to get in place it would be foolish to remove it.”
He looked across his audience “I believe that we should improve our relations with our direct neighbor, the CIS. For too long we have limited trade to the countries that make up the CIS and I believe that this has hurt our own economy. There are billions of people in those states that could benefit from the goods that we produce. We should also improve our relations with the Islamic Federation. Religious wars are terrible and if the governments of the nations were able to work peacefully with each other, I believe the people would follow suit. At the same time that we are improving our relations with our neighbor countries we should be trying to help Africa reconstruct itself. For too long we have turned a blind eye towards the suffering that is going on there. Aside from a few countries helping, Africa has been left primarily unaided by us. In aiding Africa and removing poverty we would reduce the threat of my next topic, Terrorism. Terrorism in the EU is all too real of a threat. The Middle East is in a constant state of turmoil that could lead to attacks on our soil. We should enact stronger border laws to stop terrorists from entering our countries. At the same time these enhanced borders would stop smuggling and slavery. We should also look to aid countries in Eurasia and South America in establishing strong democratic governments. In the end, there is only a finite amount of room on this planet. Thus I recommend that we begin funding increased research into space. There is much to be gained out there that no human has ever seen. I believe that we could easily be the first to really get out there, if we were to only try.

Thank you and goodnight.”

[ooc: the candidacy deadline is tonight at 0200GMT, and while I personally wouldn't like to see another person on the ballot, if you really want to run, submit your candidacy now!]

In preparation for the primaries, we have this list of candidates running for election, with their positions [if submitted]; while the primary technically doesn't start until after the candidacy races end, you can still make your votes for the primaries now.

The Republic of Poland:
-improve intranational relations in Europe
-increase funding and research in space program
-create program to study effects of power supplies, think of ways to power the world
-create security council and military alliance in the EU
-provide more joint military and diplomatic operations between EU nations

The Coalition of Black Sea States:
-improve relations with CIS
-assist in the reconstruction of Africa
-take a stronger stance against terrorism
-increase funding for space research

The Kingdom of Denmark:
-Improve and clarify border security issues and allow EU member citizens better access to neighboring countries
-Create a more unified EU foreign policy whenever possible
-Implement measures to repair the budget contributions by EU members [minimum 1%?]
-Increase funding for space research and improve cooperation between Russia and the United States space agencies
-Establish and monitor the world order

PRIMARY ELECTIONS:

Poland - 2 [Poland, Spain]
CBSS - 1 [CBSS]
Denmark - 2 [Denmark, France]

Denmark would like to present its own plan to the Union, as the CBSS did. We would also like to thank the CBSS for their inspiration.

Primarily, PM Jacob Andersen will leave matters to the EU parliament and allow for free discussion of important topics that concern the EU.

Thereafter, Denmark will personally make suggestions as well as allow foreign countries to make suggestions to the EU concerning their foreign policy (though nothing else). This will only be done if the EU parliament is moving slowly.

Should the EU parliament be moving slowly, then Denmark will come with suggestions that will focus on the following:
A reduction in internal border controls - a unified Europe with a unified economy and understanding requires the free movement of people. There are still countries in the EU that have border controls, although minor, including the UK and others.
An attempt to create united foreign policies whenever possible, although leaving such decisions up to the sovereign states.
Forcing EU countries to meet a standard of aid: A majority of EU countries do not meet the 1% of GDP given to aid. We should be using this aid to further countries that direly need it and deserve it for their development of human rights amongst other things. Thus, we too support helping re-construction in Africa, but we would prefer that this happens either through direct aid, where we send people to personally oversee the distribution of aid, or self-help, where the societies must present a plan in order to receive the aid.
An increased funding in space research will be pursued whenever possible, and co-operation will be advised with the Russian and American space agencies.
Otherwise aiming at making more allies. We support France's attempts at establishing peace and order in the world and will continue to do so.

[ooc: can we vote for ourselves? if so then... of course, it is kinda redundant]

maybe ic: Denmark also announces that it will (obviously) vote for itself.

Please monitor this, as Australia details their plans in Somalia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581625

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[ooC: you're asking for a nightmare...I only know French and only tentatively read Spanish, Italian, and German...I'm not going to do translations, especially from and to Estonian, Latvian, Dannish, Norwegian, Finnish, Czech, Slovak, Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Portuguese, and Greek...]

This has been noted and we are pleased it was brought in the UN.

[ooc: I know. I wonder how they do it. Mind you, I could do French (fluent), English (fluent), Danish (fluent) and Dutch (partially)... I can only understand written German with difficulty, and only because of all my other languages, so no bone there. Still, Swedish is easy for me to understand :D ]

President Alexandru will of course be voting for himself in this election. Thus.

CBSS votes for --> CBSS

Polish Platform:

-improve intranational relations in Europe
-Increase funding and research in space program
-Create program to study effects of power supplies, think of ways to power the world.
-Create security council and military alliance in the EU
-more joint military and diplomatic operations between EU nations


Poland feels that before saving the world and rebuilding it, we must first make sure Europe is secure and safe. After making those assurances, we will then branch out to more world relations. But remember this fellow Europeans, this Union was made to better Europe, we must first worry about our area, because that is why this organization was created.

Vote for Poland
Vote para Polonia
Votare per la Polonia

ooc: playing language games are we? :D

ic:
vote for Denmark
stem på Danmark
votez pour Denemarque
stem op Denemark

ehhhhhhhhhh...

I've updated the candidate list...take a look at their positions and decide accordingly...the candidacy race will close in about 5 hours, so if you want to run in the primaries, say it now or forever hold your peace until next year [next week :D]. If this is our list of candidates, then I wish luck all of you in your election. France needs time to ponder on these proposals and until then we will abstain the voting...rest assured, we will make our vote soon.

[ooc: as this is the strictly OOC part of my message, I'm actually very glad that this hasn't turn into a jumble to get elected and that the proposals are fairly reasonable. Good job on that part. In clarification on the reason for the policy list, the EU President has in RL 6 months to guide the EU. In conjunction with EU parliament, he goes out to reform, retain, or react the policies that that person/country feels is necessary. People might remember Blair's frustration with the EU parliament over the budget when Britain was the President and while I don't expect to see frustration every time the President has proposals to enact, we will try to run the EU like that. I'll have to figure out what little goodies the President gets in addition to bragging rights for one week, seeing as the EU President does play an active role in the EU.

But play on, and to the candidates: good luck!]

ooc: specifications - Denmark wants to decrease border controls between EU member states, though you may have said that. Denmark wants to leave non-EU borders up to the sovereign countries to decide

the 1% is minimum 1% of Budget going to Foreign Aid.

ooc: specifications - Denmark wants to decrease border controls between EU member states, though you may have said that. Denmark wants to leave non-EU borders up to the sovereign countries to decide

the 1% is minimum 1% of Budget going to Foreign Aid.

[IIRC, there is no border control between EU states; I know for a fact there's a lack of border control between France and Portugal, since I've crossed both; and non-EU borders are already up to sovereign countries to decide - at least that's what I've gathered from Spain's own program to increase unmanned security along the coast of Andalucia.]

[IIRC, there is no border control between EU states; I know for a fact there's a lack of border control between France and Portugal, since I've crossed both; and non-EU borders are already up to sovereign countries to decide - at least that's what I've gathered from Spain's own program to increase unmanned security along the coast of Andalucia.]

[ooc: I persume that you mean from Spain to France and Portugal freely...and I know about the border permeability in Europe, but let him say as he pleases...I wouldn't know how the situation is in the east with Poland, the former Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states, and any other new state...]

OOC: What are we doing about the fact that the EUs borders have just been extended now that Tunisia has surrendered?

Spain throws it vote behind Poland.

OOC: What are we doing about the fact that the EUs borders have just been extended now that Tunisia has surrendered?

[ooc: France is really considering some serious action on Italy for its unwarranted annexation of Tunisia...]

France proposes the expulsion of the Republic of Italy from the European Union for its unwarranted attacks, invasion, and ultimate seizure of Tunisia. They have proved most uncooperative in the international community and we will not stand to watch Italy act in the very bellicose manner as Australia did.

On a note about proposals, there are currently four proposals.

France moves to open EU membership to the following states; please vote on each separately:

Ukraine
Yugoslavia

[ooc: if these nations were already accepted in general forum, please tell me and this will completely disappear in the best capability that I wield...]

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France also moves to institute an expansion of the European Defense Integration Initiative [Initiative de l'Integration de la Defense Europenne]; to coordinate better the defense capability of the EU, to present a basic foundation for military industries in Europe, to modernize the military force of European nations, and to provide a force capable of assisting and defending the EU member states and allies.

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France proposes the expulsion of the Republic of Italy from the European Union for its unwarranted attacks, invasion, and ultimate seizure of Tunisia. They have proved most uncooperative in the international community and we will not stand to watch Italy act in the very bellicose manner as Australia did.

Add Ukraine
Y- 5 [France, Spain, Poland, Italy, Germany]
N- 2 [CBSS, Austria]

Add Yugoslavia
Y- 7 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland, Denmark, Italy, Germany]
N- 1 [Austria

European Defense Integration Initiative expansion
Y- 5 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland, Germany]
N- 3 [Denmark, Italy, Austria]

Expel Italy
Y- 3 [France, Denmark, Germany]
N- 4 [Spain, Poland, Italy, Austria]

These all have until the end of this year to pass... PLEASE VOTE ON THESE AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENTS!!!

Spain votes yes for the first three, and votes a token no on the last.

[OOC: That last one is for SIC reasons that people should gather from whatever talks I've had with France. I really can't vote against Italy.]

Spain votes yes for the first three, and votes a token no on the last.

[OOC: That last one is for SIC reasons that people should gather from whatever talks I've had with France. I really can't vote against Italy.]

[ooc: not to bend this vote in anyway, but if you can't vote against Italy, you can abstain...]

[OOC: It's more of walking that thin line again. I didn't vote all in NATO, but I'm voting for Italy in the EU. Appeasing both parties until I figure out what exactly I'm going to do.]

On a note about proposals, there are currently four proposals.

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Add Ukraine
Y- 2 [France, Spain]
N-

Add Yugoslavia
Y- 2 [France, Spain]
N-

European Defense Integration Initiative expansion
Y- 2 [France, Spain]
N-

Expel Italy
Y- 1 [France]
N- 1 [Spain]

These all have until the end of this year to pass... PLEASE VOTE ON THESE AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENTS!!!

Ukraine is a member of the CIS already.. how could they join both? So until they renounce their ties to CIS. Nay

Yay on Jugoslaivia

Aye on defense. We prefer to maintian our own borders, but being right next to a lot of unhappy Islamic nations..

Italy- Abstain currently, we need to do assess the topic.

The Republic is shocked that the EU would bring such a resolution against it.
Firstly withdrawing the Italian forces currently present on Tunisian territory would simply allow the country to slip into chaos as there is no central government who could assume control of the country. Also several armed groups have popped up after arming themselves from looted Tunisian Army Depots that we are unable to guard.

There have been NO Civilian casualties in Tunisia as a result of the fighting, the total lack of ground combat assured this.
In five months time the Italian government will carry out a free plebicite amongst the Tunisian people that will deside the fate of tunisia, if the result should be unfavorable the Italian Miltiary will withdraw its forces from Tunisia.

It is the opinion of France that Tunisia wouldn't have any problems if Italy hadn't maliciously attacked her.

[ooc reminder: 2 hours for candidacies...post or forever hold your peace until next year...]

Voting For Poland

1-Y
2-Y
3-Y
4-N

Poland thanks Spain for their vote and confidence in us. We will not forget our friends.

Candidacies are now closed...

The race is on with Poland, CBSS, and Denmark.

The Republic is shocked that the EU would bring such a resolution against it.
Firstly withdrawing the Italian forces currently present on Tunisian territory would simply allow the country to slip into chaos as there is no central government who could assume control of the country. Also several armed groups have popped up after arming themselves from looted Tunisian Army Depots that we are unable to guard.

There have been NO Civilian casualties in Tunisia as a result of the fighting, the total lack of ground combat assured this.
In five months time the Italian government will carry out a free plebicite amongst the Tunisian people that will deside the fate of tunisia, if the result should be unfavorable the Italian Miltiary will withdraw its forces from Tunisia.

[ooc: that's bs to the third degree...NO civilian casualties are impossible with air strikes...morre civvies get killed in air strikes than in conventional strikes...the Italian government will not hold a plebiscite because the UN moderates plebiscites, not individual governments...and the TUnisian people wouldn't even be inn this situation if YOU hadn't invaded them...you are still in the wrong by a long way and trying to rectify them by saying "we'll hold elections for them so they can decide if we were right" is absolutely horrible, abominable, and excessively manipulative...

reasons why Tunisia would not become a part of Italy:

-most Tunisiansspeak Arabic or French
-Tunisia is a relatively stable government with strong ties to the US, EU, and other Arab states
-Tunisia would hate Italy for calling air strikes on them for no apparent reason otherr than to annex their territory
-Tunisia wouldn't really surrender that easily to a belligerent power seeing as the Italians didn't have the tenacity to even send ground troops in
-the Arab League should be condemning Italy for their uncalled attacks on Tunisia, a member of the Arab League [but they aren't]
-and Tunisia has a history of being colonized and exploited [by France and the Ottomans]; they would perish before they suffered that kind of history again]

France is supporting the Danish candidacy

[IIRC, there is no border control between EU states; I know for a fact there's a lack of border control between France and Portugal, since I've crossed both; and non-EU borders are already up to sovereign countries to decide - at least that's what I've gathered from Spain's own program to increase unmanned security along the coast of Andalucia.]

OOC: Spain has signed the schengen. France has signed the schengen. Portugal has signed the schengen. So have lots of other countries.

My IC (and OOC) issue is that the UK has not, therefore, there Are border controls when you try to enter the UK (by train, boat or otherwise). The new eastern european countries haven't either and going from Latvia to Lithuania (and back again, once each), they have border controls there too, strict ones.

It's really just trying to force countries to sign the Schengen treaty.

Otherwise, you are correct

IC:
Denmark is abstaining on the Ukraine. We are uncertain of what to decide here.

edited out: [We would like the CBSS to clarify their position and back it up, otherwise we will vote yes (I need to know what the CIS is, I am confused).]

Denmark is voting yea to the entrance of Yugoslavia: this will help social order, economic power and political and social stability, while eventually providing the EU with a capable ally.

Denmark is voting nay to an integrated defence network. We need to be absolutely positively certain that drafted citizens will Never participate in such a network unless voluntarily.

Denmark is appalled at Italy's actions, which remain unfounded, unjustified and wrong. We vote yea on expelling them, but suggest that they be granted membership when they have restored Tunisia (Again, we will never accept Italy's claim on Tunisia). That's a Yea on expelling Italy.

[ooc: on expelling Italy, if it's too hard for an issue to press, we could decide on a suspension idea, like Denmark had in NATO...]

the CIS is the coalition of independent states, essensially the Russian EU. Ukraine is a member, as is China. I have no problem with them joining the EU I just dont know if the CIS has rules against it.

OOC: I fully intend on holding a vote, why do you think i spending money earmarked for replacing my Leopards with Arietes on big projects that create loads of jobs?

OOC: I fully intend on holding a vote, why do you think i spending money earmarked for replacing my Leopards with Arietes on big projects that create loads of jobs?

[ooc: we wouldn't be having this problem if you hadn't invaded, annexed, and all that other stuff...holding plebiscites is laudable, but you've got all of the other bad stuff that requires rectifying...and holding a plebiscite by Italy to determine whether those people want to join you after you invaded and annexed them is not really logical, because either you'd rig the elections or the people would vote against you...]]

OOC: The plebicite is in Tunisia! And held by Tunisian Councils

Posted in 21century thread:

Poland is officially announcing the creation of the modern space shuttle. We have building for the last 5 years shuttles, satellites, r&d bases, and launch sites. We also are close to completing our first space station. In the future we will build a science post orbitting earth. We will be launching in 2012. Poland, hopefully with the EU, will be the first nation in years to return to the moon. In 2020 we hope to have built the first outpost on the moon. We will lead the human race into space.

OOC:if anyone has seen armageddon that is our type of space shuttle. Would someone like to make a new "space race" thread?

Denmark vehemently opposes Poland's ambition to produce a military space station. It will undermine the great progress that has been done in keeping space as free from military as possible.

Denmark would also like to point out that Poland does not have the resources to carry out such a project - The ESA, which is funded by most of the western european countries, requires at least ten years to build a minor research space station and they have the advantage of far better launch sites much nearer the equater. Additionally, they have ties with Russia and the US when it concerns space travel.

If there was a reason to return to the moon, resources would be provided to do so, but there is no economic or scientific reason to travel to the moon. The moon is a desolate area, with no air, water or any sort of potential for large scale human development. If anything, our attention should be focused on mars, where real potential exists.

I dont know what to tell you Dennmark, we diverted a few resources and some scientists. Made a few technological trades. We PLAN on 2012. That is a dream. We are just trying to get our scientists to work hard, we will be done soon though.

I dont know what to tell you Dennmark, we diverted a few resources and some scientists. Made a few technological trades. We PLAN on 2012. That is a dream. We are just trying to get our scientists to work hard, we will be done soon though.

And yet Poland, you completely ignore the beautiful ideal that is: a space free of military.

Please, Denmark urges Poland to divert its resources away from military projects into space and rather have it join the ESA (ooc: if enough people are interested, the ESA could feature in a space race type thingy, except we do it subtly until the US and Russia notice) which will mean:
1) lower launching costs (due to France's old colonies, we are able to have a launch site that is very close to the equator).
2) lower launching dangers (a large ocean means that any serious failures will not cause civilian casualties).
3) higher productivity (a single organization with more resources is better than a number of organizations with fewer resources: The sum is more than all its parts).
4) higher ambitions than previously possible. The ESA has frequently attempted to build its own space stations and assists in the construction of the International space station. Both of these make attempts at growing plants in space (and are successful too).

But again, Denmark urges Poland to avoid building any sort of military space station.

OCC: I apologize for my lack of activity lately. I've had...things to do.

IC:

--- Official German Communique ---

The Federal Republic of Germany views the recent announcements pertaining to the establishment of a Polish Space Agency with a certain degree of disdain. After all, the Polish people and the economy in which they interact is still mired by the after-effects of the previous Communist regime and its statist economic policies. Indeed, much progress has been made since the fall of the Iron Curtain two decades ago, but much more needs to be done to ensure the continued prosperity of the Polish citizenry in these adverse times.

Thus, it is our suggestion that Warsaw continues devoting its national budget towards the development/improvement of domestic industry and infastructure instead of such far-fetched ambitions.

- German Delegation to the European Union

i changed it from being military, but one day, the space will have military in it. Just not today.

IC:
i changed it from being military, but one day, the space will have military in it. Just not today.

We are allowed to have our own space program and work with other nations. We will keep it independant for the moment.

i changed it from being military, but one day, the space will have military in it. Just not today.

Only if we put it there, so lets not. It's difficult enough to put anything there, let's not give incentives to send military projects into space.

And yes, Poland is allowed, but Denmark fears that Poland will bankrupt itself and that will have consequences towards the rest of the EU.

[ooc: the EU has the ESA as its primary space agency...and it costs an awful lot to develop space rockets and the launch sites, the mission control center, and the maintenance of this agency...

and where are you going to launch your rockets?]

[OOC: It should be noted that NASA itself doesn't have the resources for another lunar landing mission for the next decade. That should give you a figure of time for an indegenous space program strating, basically, from scratch. Even Spain only has one government satellite up, and it's a communications satellite [SPASAT]. My next satellite will be put up there near 2023 since I lack both the satellite and the launching capabilities.]

The ESA announces the first successful launch of the IXE launcher from Kourou today. The spacecraft will circle the globe approximately 150 times, with the crew conducting nominal experiments onboard and testing the craft's weatherinng ability, to determine whether re-entry is feasible. After its tenure is done, the craft will attempt at re-entry in the Pacific, near French and British possessions. Mission Control is expecting a successful test flight, and we're crossing our fingers for good luck :).

[ooc: not too many people voted in the primaries...but we still have two winners...]

Poland and Denmark emerge from the primaries as the victors and continue on to the Presidential election [ends Monday 0000GMT - no ifs, buts, ands, or ors...]. For ease of review, their positions are listed.

We applaud the CBSS for their candidacy and wish them better luck year. To Poland and Denmark, we wish you good luck.

Poland:
-improve intranational relations in Europe
-increase funding and research in space program
-create program to study effects of power supplies, think of ways to power the world
-create security council and military alliance in the EU
-provide more joint military and diplomatic operations between EU nations

Votes - 3 [Poland, Spain, Italy]

Denmark:
-Improve and clarify border security issues and allow EU member citizens better access to neighboring countries
-Create a more unified EU foreign policy whenever possible
-Implement measures to repair the budget contributions by EU members [minimum 1% of GDP]
-Increase funding for space research and improve cooperation between Russia and the United States space agencies
-Establish and monitor the world order

Votes - 4 [Denmark, Germany, France, Austria]

[ooc: PLEASE VOTE ON THESE NOW, AND THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS POSTED HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10586179&postcount=94)!!!]

Spain throws its support behind Poland, as it finds its policies much more agreeable.

--- Official German Communqiue ---

The German Delegation firmly places its support behind the Kingdom of Denmark during this election as the Danish Platform appears to coinside with further integration efforts among member states of the European Union.

Furthermore, we feel as though the establishment of a 'security council and military alliance' within the European Union is unneccisary as NATO is still in effect and, as displayed by its action in Kosovo in 1998, fully capable of administering the security needs of the European people.

However, we wish the best of luck to both candidates and hope for a smooth, un-interrupted election process.

- German Delegation to the EU

Poland would like to explain the "military alliance" thing

IC: This would not mean creating a security council per se, but we wish to create a discussion about the possibility of the maybe making a military arm. this ofcourse would not be forced and we would ofcourse allow this to be voted on.

Also if Germany had viewed the link where it shows the status of voting, you would have seen that a program of military integration is already taking place, that is pretty much part of my platform. I guess i have no need for it

Poland:
-improve intranational relations in Europe
-increase funding and research in space program
-create program to study effects of power supplies, think of ways to power the world
-create security council and military alliance in the EU
-provide more joint military and diplomatic operations between EU nations

Votes - 2 [Poland, Spain]

Denmark:
-Improve and clarify border security issues and allow EU member citizens better access to neighboring countries
-Create a more unified EU foreign policy whenever possible
-Implement measures to repair the budget contributions by EU members [minimum 1% of GDP]
-Increase funding for space research and improve cooperation between Russia and the United States space agencies
-Establish and monitor the world order

Votes - 2 [Denmark, Germany]

[ooc: PLEASE VOTE ON THESE NOW, AND THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS POSTED HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10586179&postcount=94)!!!]

IC: Poland would also like to criticize part of Dennmarks platform and point this out to voters.
the underlined portion "establish and monitor the world order" is what our nation has a problem with.
The EU was created to deal with European affairs. This glorius organization has nothing to do with "world order".

That is why in my platform we plan to improve our amazing continent. We must focus on our region before moving into the world eye. We are a young organization, we should take it slow.

The Republc votes against the resolution to expell Italy from the EU, and it votes for the resolutions to accept Ukraine and Yugoslavia into the EU. It votes against the expand the common defence initiative resolution.

On the matter of the Presidents the Republic hereby places its votes behind Poland

IC: Poland would also like to criticize part of Dennmarks platform and point this out to voters.
the underlined portion "establish and monitor the world order" is what our nation has a problem with.
The EU was created to deal with European affairs. This glorius organization has nothing to do with "world order".

That is why in my platform we plan to improve our amazing continent. We must focus on our region before moving into the world eye. We are a young organization, we should take it slow.

We are as old as the UN. We are as old as NATO. We are one of the oldest economic blocs. We're hardly a young organization, are we? There are few organizations that are as old as the EU.

The EU was created to create a mutually beneficial economic situation between all member countries. It intended to reduce social problems between EU countries, such as the xenophobia presented by the UK's refusal to sign the schenghen or Italy's invasion of Tunisia.

Since then, it grew. It began to allow for co-operation between police forces, a reduction, if not elimination, of border controls and began to finance pro-european organizations. It grew from being a simple contract between nations concerning their coal and steel industry to become the EEC, then the EC and now the EU. The EU is more than an economic community or a social contract, it is a living breathing entity that should bind us all together.

The EU is a center of stability in Europe and in the world. In a place where we all know that war has raged for centuries and millenia, it is amazing that we should be able to maintain seventy years of internal peace between all EU members. It is about time that we spread this stability. With the failure of the US, it becomes our responsibility. We have seen what happens when the US isolate themselves and must not allow it to happen again.

[ooc: YAY! POLITICAL DEBATES!!! :D

This is really getting fun now :D]

France abstains from the Presidential race voting, to see what different opinions can come from the two prospective nations [although we arer certainly leaning on towards the Dannish position]

european nations, israel, USA, and Australia please read my latest post.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10592438#post10592438

try to post there if you will come or not.

[ooc: no one's debating now?]

[ooc: no one's debating now?]

ooc: I'll debate Denmarks full position now. There is white stuff on my table though, and it's glue :p seriously, it is glue.

How long is one presidency now?

For RPing reasons, I have included both Danish and English. I have personally translated from Danish to English.

ic:
Speaking to the European parliament, PM Jacob Andersen presented himself. He was well-dressed and the many translators were ready in their booths. The twenty five flags were behind him, all stuffed in an area too small for them to be, as it had originally been built for fifteen. In front of him sat over 500 MEPs, listening to one of the two candidates that had intended to become the next president of the EU. The translaters had all been chosen from people who knew Danish, Polish and the language they were translating into. English, French, and Dutch were also available to be translated into any language.

Thus, someone somewhere turned on the english translation and heard the english version of the Danish prime ministers speech to the EU. In a slow voice, so that the translators wouldn't be overburdened, the Danish prime minister debated the reasons why Denmark would make a good president for the EU.

"Idag står jeg, Jacob Andersen, statsminister af Danmark, foran det europæiske parlament for at forklare hvorfor at jeg burde være EUs næste præsident. Jeg nævner også at negative bemærkninger hjælper kun når det er konstructiv kritik."

"Med ti nye lande, der hver har set en voksende økonomi, er EU nu mere en fire gange størrere end det var for treds år siden. Den har vokset, forstærket sig selv og EU som en samlet enhed er en verdensmagt der har mulighed for at overgå Amerika, Rusland og Kina. Men det er ikke det vigtige. Det vigtige er at nu hvor EU har en magt der er lig med andre af verdens stormagter, så må vi bruge den til gode formål."

"Det er derfor at Danmark søger at øge mængden af hjælp EU giver til udlandet. Verden er ikke et stabilt område, men det er EU landene. Vi burde sprede vores stabilitet, og dermed bekæmpe nød og terrorisme. EU har lært os tolerance for andre kulturer ved selv at være en stor samling af dem. Lad os bruge det til at sprede en hjælp til ulandene, uden at ødelægge deres lokale kultur."

"Af samme grund så må EU nu se sig selv, som en enhed der kan holde fast på orden. Vi må stå fast imod krige og voldelige overgreb. Vi må være et godt eksempel på menneske rettigheder og frihed. Vi må forblive bedre end Amerika til at bevare fred og ro i krigs zoner. Derfor skal EU fokusere på at hjælpe til med at stoppe krige, oprette kommunikation og forøge international samarbejde."

"EU bliver derfor nød til at optage en fælles udenlandsk politik. Når vi forbliver splittet overfor resten af verden, så er EU meget lidt værd. Vi må samles og altid komme med en fælles beslutning om hvad der skal gøres i den internationale sammenhæng."

"Og ligesom vi skal have en fælles udenlandsk politik, så må vi have et fælles Europa, hvor folk frit kan rejse fra land til land. Det er en stor nødvendighed at alle medlemmer af EU og dens allierede underskriver schengen traktatet. Det vil øge forståelse og tolerance mellem vores lande. Det vil endvidere hjælpe vores økonomier og skabe bedre samarbejde mellem schengen landene."

"Samtidig med at folk kan flytte mere frit, så skal der være mere samarbejde mellem vores politistyrker. Det er allerede muligt at arrestere en europæisk forbryder ligemeget hvor han befinder sig i EU. Nu skal vi bare sørge for at det bliver gjort ordentligt."

"Som vi alle ved er kul, gas og oile alle energi resourcer vi kommer til at løbe ud af. Det er derfor nødvendigt at vi øger vores forsøg på at udvikle brugbare vedvarende energi resourcer. Danmark er allerede i spidsen, med dens mange vindmøller og andre forsøg, blandt andet bølgekraft. Sverige ligger længere foran, med deres dæmninger der næsten giver alt den energi de har brug for."

"Samtidig med disse vedvarende energi resourcer, så er der ESA. Det er i Danmark's interesse at overtale EU medlemmer til at arbejde sammen med ESA. Deres projekter giver os også mulighed for vedvarende energi resourcer, samtidig med at de tillader os at udøve forsøg i rummet, der ikke ville være mulige på jorden. For at ESA skal fungere effektivt, bliver det nødvendigt at EU medlemmer giver penge til organisationen og desuden bliver det nødvendigt at vi forøger samarbejde mellem ESA, NASA, Rusland og Australien."

"Til sidst vil vi gerne nævne at skulle jeg blive præsident, så vil Parlamentets ønsker selvfølgelig komme først. Det er først og fremmest op til Parlamentet at lede EU fremad. Mange tak."

With his speech done, the Danish PM resumed his seat.

English translation:
"Today I, Jacob Andersen, Prime Minister of Denmark, stand before the european parliament to explain why I should be the EU's next president. I will also mention that negative remarks only help when they are constructive criticisms."

"With ten new countries, that have each seen a growing economy, the EU is now four times larger than it was sixty years ago. It has grown, strengthened itself and EU has a united entity is a world power with the possibility to outperform the US, Russia and China. But that is not important. The important part is that now that EU has a power that is equal to that of other world superpowers, we must use it for good causes."

"That is why Denmark seeks to increase the amount of aid, which the EU gives to foreign countries. The world is not a stable area, but the EU countries are. We should spread our stability and thereby fight need and terrorism. The EU has taught us tolerance for other cultures, by being itself a great collection of them. Let us use that to spread our aid to foreign countries, without destroying their local culture."

"For the same reason, the EU must now see itself as an entity that can maintain order. We must stand steady against wars and violent seizures. We must be a good example for human rights and liberty. We must remain better than the US at keeping peace in war-zones. Therefore, the EU must focus on helping to stop wars, establish communication and increase international co-operativeness."

"The EU will therefore have to assume a common foreign policy. When we aren't united before the rest of the world, the EU is worth very little. We must gather, ehm, unite and always come with a common decision about our actions in the international scheme of things."

"And just like we must have a common foreign policy, we must have a common Europe, where people can travel freely from country to country. It is a great need that all members of the EU and its allies sign the schengen treaty. It will increase understanding and tolerance between our countries. It will furthermore improve our economies and create better co-operation between the schengen countries."

"While our people are able to move more freely, there must be greater, ehm, more co-operation between our police forces. It is already possible to arrest a european criminal regardless of where he is in the EU. Now we must ensure that it is done properly."

"As we all know, coal, gas and oil are energy resources that we will run out of. It is therefore necessary to increase our attempts at developing useful sustainable energy sources. Denmark is already in the lead, with its many windmills and other projects, including wavepower. Sweden is much further in the lead, with its HEP plants that give it nearly all the energy it needs."

"Along with these sustainable energy resources, there is the ESA. It is in Denmark's interest to convince EU members to work with the ESA. Their projects also give us oppurtunities for sustainable energy resources, while they allow us to conduct experiments in space, that wouldn't be possible on earth. For the ESA to function efficiently, it will be necessary for EU members to fund the organisation and furthermore, it will also be necessary to improve co-operation between ESA, NASA, Russia and Australia."

"Finally, I would like to mention that should I become president, the wishes of the parliament will naturally come first. It is first and foremost up to parliament to lead the EU forward. Thank you very much."

[ooc: tentatively, it's one year , one week RL...

and a note on the translation, please do it all in one language and then the other...breaking it up makes it difficult to read where one lanugage stops and the other starts...]

one week in real life? to one year? i dont think thats fair is it?

OOC:What were the final tallies on those resolutions?

one week in real life? to one year? i dont think thats fair is it?

[ooc: if you don't think that it's fair, amend it...in RL, the presidency lasts 6 months...]

OOC:What were the final tallies on those resolutions?

[ooc: still on the floor, to be finished by this Monday 0000GMT]

(OOC: I'm slightly worried about the part of "being better than the US at keeping peace in warzones...)

[ooc: eh...European nationalism...it's at work...]

[ooc: tentatively, it's one year , one week RL...

and a note on the translation, please do it all in one language and then the other...breaking it up makes it difficult to read where one lanugage stops and the other starts...]

ooc: edited to conform to that standard. English is last.

(OOC: I'm slightly worried about the part of "being better than the US at keeping peace in warzones...)

ooc2:
what Naktan said. Add a grain of salt, a bit of friendliness (it isn't meant as an insult) and then consider US military deaths compared to EU military deaths in recent conflicts.

I find that often, the UK and Denmark are both much better at keeping peace over larger areas of land with fewer casualties. I think it might be because they don't actually conduct offensives, but rather just keep the peace. I'm not sure really, I just know that generally (warning: generalization) the US suffers more violence and death in peacekeeping missions. I am not talking about invasions and the like.

Warsaw Space Conference Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599599#post10599599

France announces its support for the Danish presidency.

Keep up with the EU presidency race: all resolutions and races end tonight at 0000GMT!!!

The IXE made a successful re-entry today landing on the air strips of New Caledonia. The crew several problems upon re-entry, especially with the re-entry location. Otherwise the mission was a considerable success.

In the meantime, the ESA will be looking for a new site to land future IXE missions.

Denmark would like to know if Italy is going to be expelled or not and if its vote will count in the presidency.

It seems that it may be a deciding factor.

You appear to be loosing on the attempt to get me expelled resolution

If Italy gets expelled/suspended, their votes will be considdered null void for this year's resolutions...

that said, you have a lot of friends that really don't care about Italian conquest, it seems...

On a note about proposals, there are currently four proposals.

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Add Ukraine
Y- 4 [France, Spain, Poland, Italy]
N- 1 [CBSS]

Add Yugoslavia
Y- 6 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland, Denmark, Italy]
N-

European Defense Integration Initiative expansion
Y- 4 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland]
N- 2 [Denmark, Italy]

Expel Italy
Y- 2 [France, Denmark]
N- 3 [Spain, Poland, Italy]

These all have until the end of this year to pass... PLEASE VOTE ON THESE AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENTS!!!

Add Ukraine

"Yay!"

Add Yugoslavia

"Yay!"

European Defense Integration Initiative expansion

"Yay!"

Expel Italy

"Yay!"

OCC: I think that about sums it up.

On a note about proposals, there are currently four proposals.

[/SIZE]

Add Ukraine
Y- 4 [France, Spain, Poland, Italy]
N- 1 [CBSS]

Add Yugoslavia
Y- 6 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland, Denmark, Italy]
N-

European Defense Integration Initiative expansion
Y- 4 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland]
N- 2 [Denmark, Italy]

Expel Italy
Y- 2 [France, Denmark]
N- 3 [Spain, Poland, Italy]

These all have until the end of this year to pass... PLEASE VOTE ON THESE AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENTS!!!

Ukraine-NAY
Yugoslavia-NAY
European Defence-YAY
Expel Italy-NAY
President-DENMARK

thank you Germany and Austria, your votes have bee noted :)

The following resolutions have terminated their time:

On a note about proposals, there are currently four proposals.

France moves to open EU membership to the following states; please vote on each separately:

Ukraine
Yugoslavia

[ooc: if these nations were already accepted in general forum, please tell me and this will completely disappear in the best capability that I wield...]

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France also moves to institute an expansion of the European Defense Integration Initiative [Initiative de l'Integration de la Defense Europenne]; to coordinate better the defense capability of the EU, to present a basic foundation for military industries in Europe, to modernize the military force of European nations, and to provide a force capable of assisting and defending the EU member states and allies.

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France proposes the expulsion of the Republic of Italy from the European Union for its unwarranted attacks, invasion, and ultimate seizure of Tunisia. They have proved most uncooperative in the international community and we will not stand to watch Italy act in the very bellicose manner as Australia did.


Add Ukraine
Y- 5 [France, Spain, Poland, Italy, Germany]
N- 2 [CBSS, Austria]

Add Yugoslavia
Y- 7 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland, Denmark, Italy, Germany]
N- 1 [Austria

European Defense Integration Initiative expansion
Y- 5 [France, Spain, CBSS, Poland, Germany]
N- 3 [Denmark, Italy, Austria]

Expel Italy
Y- 3 [France, Denmark, Germany]
N- 4 [Spain, Poland, Italy, Austria]

These all have until the end of this year to pass... PLEASE VOTE ON THESE AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENTS!!!

The proposal to add the Ukraine has passed - it now subject to ratification by the Ukrainian government.

The proposal to add Yugoslavia has passed - it is now subject to ratification by the Yugoslavian government.

The proposal to expand current defense plans in the European Defense Integration has passed.

The proposal to expel Italy from the EU has failed.

The EU has elected its new president for the year 2012!

Congratulations to Denmark!

[ooc: not too many people voted in the primaries...but we still have two winners...]

Poland and Denmark emerge from the primaries as the victors and continue on to the Presidential election [ends Monday 0000GMT - no ifs, buts, ands, or ors...]. For ease of review, their positions are listed.

We applaud the CBSS for their candidacy and wish them better luck year. To Poland and Denmark, we wish you good luck.

Poland:
-improve intranational relations in Europe
-increase funding and research in space program
-create program to study effects of power supplies, think of ways to power the world
-create security council and military alliance in the EU
-provide more joint military and diplomatic operations between EU nations

Votes - 3 [Poland, Spain, Italy]

Denmark:
-Improve and clarify border security issues and allow EU member citizens better access to neighboring countries
-Create a more unified EU foreign policy whenever possible
-Implement measures to repair the budget contributions by EU members [minimum 1% of GDP]
-Increase funding for space research and improve cooperation between Russia and the United States space agencies
-Establish and monitor the world order

Votes - 4 [Denmark, Germany, France, Austria]

[ooc: PLEASE VOTE ON THESE NOW, AND THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS POSTED HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10586179&postcount=94)!!!]


We wish luck to the Danish presidency as they spend the year attempting to improve the EU, and we furthermore extend our hopes that Poland will not be discouraged by this loss and attempt to rerun next year.

OOC: WE DEMAND A RECOUNT.LOL. i should of known i wouldny have won. you people were upset that I stepped on toes


IC: dont worry, we will run again. but, i am greatful to Spain and Italy for their confidence and hope they will show the same feeling next year

OOC: I am really screwed

OOC: I am really screwed

[ooc: I don't think it much takes a genius to figure that out...]

new forum for the EU:

http://www.atfreeforum.com/21c/viewtopic.php?t=27&mforum=21c