NationStates Jolt Archive

"....mano kaj man' kunpremitaj, trans la eterno sen lim', ne dismetiĝos plu, ne disligiĝos plu!" said the priest as he finished his prayer.

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Australia was a beautiful land at the turn of the new century they immediately begin searching and reaching out for people in the brave new world in the new century.
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Australian Territory:

Australia
Bangladesh (NPC)
Puntland (Non-existant now)
Somalia (Fell to imperialism of Australia)
Somaliland (Non-existant now!)
Vietnam (NPC)

Threads:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471094 - Argentina's Anger
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469932 - Australian Build up
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471820 - Russia/Aust Summit
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472148 - Singa/Aust Conference

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471344 - South African Thread

Umm this is 21C RP.....Australia not Alaska or Austria

The nation of Israel recognizes Australia and hopes that they will help to ensure peace in the Middle East.

"....mano kaj man' kunpremitaj, trans la eterno sen lim', ne dismetiĝos plu, ne disligiĝos plu!" said the priest as he finished his prayer.
Oooh Esperanto...:D

(OOC: sorry 'bout the whole thing on the main thread)

Telegram From Prime Minister Stephen Harper to Australia

Fellow British dominion, we wish to increase relations with our common brethren, so far we have had little in the way actual co-operation except in the occasional cases of our forces being played in British wars, and so we extend to you the Olive branch.

The US would also like to increase its relations with Australia. We would like to increase our economic trade with Australia, and ensure each other military support.

OOC: Esperanto....wow someone actually identified the language. Now you get a gold star if you know where the lines come from!

IC:

Australia wishes to extend an invitation to a conference on trade to Great Britain and America. It will take place in Sydney, Australia in two weeks on the important matter of trade and international cooperation in environmental safety protocols.


OOC: No need for a new thread, let's to it here.

OOC: Yes, I learned a little bit of it last December from Montagu Butler's book, which is a bit hard. ".mano kaj man' kunpremitaj, trans la eterno sen lim', ne dismetiĝos plu, ne disligiĝos plu!" Best I can get out of it is: "Hand and hand ???, (I forget what trans means..into?) the eternity...I can read part of it, but I have no idea where it's from.

Hand and hand together
Across the limitless eternity
We will no longer be put asunder
We will no longer be bound!

From Memoro de la Ŝtono of FFXI. http://www.fflyrics.com/ff11.html#mdls
Otherwise...gold star! :)


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Australia is building many Thermal Depolymerization plants across the nation, they are being backed by the government and should be operational by 2008. They will make Australia not dependent on foriegn oil at all anymore, effectively ending imports on oil as a nessessity.

Also Australia's troops are moblizing and learning to handle themselves in dense jungles, the reason why is unknown, but in 2008 they claim to be ready for an operation to end one of the primary causes of natural death in the world.

OOC: It is 2008. *puts gold star on shirt*

OOC: Yay?! ^_^ Guess my other post....leads to this one!

IC:

Australia is leading the way in oil production with the creation of new factories that will MAKE crude oil for use. Australia is wishing to extend a rather unusual trade proposition to ALL nations. Australia wishes to buy from nation's, specifically their garbage and they will even ship it themselves to Australia for refining.

Australia is willing to pay $2 per metric tonne of garbage. No questions asked as long as it is NOT Toxic Waste or Nuclear Waste. Australia will pay $10 per metric tonne of that.

Both uses for this, is considered classifed, but Australia is certain that they will make good use of it and preserve the environment.

Russia is considering using prisoners to seperate garbage and prepare it for proper recycling and we are currently starting huge recycling programs. Any leftover or unrecyclable waste will marked for your pickup.

Food, Plastics, Farming waste, bones, fats...all of that is of great use and we can take care of that personnally....unless you have a massive prisoner set to pick through your entire nation's trash pile. ^-^

~Happy Happy Sunshine Production Facility

Iran would like to build up its ties with Australia. There is much our two natons can do for each other, Australia needs oil while Iran needs friends in the modern world.

OOC: We are not trying to be dependant on oil though....allies sure, but not oil dependent.

Everyone in the modern, industrialized world is dependant on oil, but yes we would like to be allies very much.

OOC: We'll make our own oil...and have unlimited reserves basically. That is why we are closing down our import of oil.

How is Australia making its own oil?

How is Australia making its own oil?

With the plants. We will produce crude oil for export to.

Plants? How is it possible to manufacture crude oil?

TDP Plants. They breakdown materials into hydrocarbons. Making a collection of different types, forming crude oil. Such things like turkey waste (sparing your mind here) can be broken down to crude oil.

while the idea of TDP plants is nice, do realize that the technology is a long way off of reality. Granted that it is picking up speed, TDP won't become a market force for maybe another ten years, judging by the fact that Australia has to construct these plants, get a workable supply of organic matter and find ways to refine this new oil [chemically, it might be something totally different...] So far, it looks reasonable, although I'd caution you into assuming that you have complete independence from oil-producing states like Iran immediately. Unfortunately, I don't think that it's reasonable to say that you don't need Iranian oil at all [or any other oil for that matter] until you have a working infrastructure [I'd say ten years again] that can supply an adequate amount of this crude oil.

Even though I built a whole bunch of these plants and could reasonably power them and supply them with materials? Australia likes to recycle, so breaking down plastics (which is part of the plant) allows for production. We are also buying trash from other nations. (No RP ones willing at the moment)

Even though I built a whole bunch of these plants and could reasonably power them and supply them with materials? Australia likes to recycle, so breaking down plastics (which is part of the plant) allows for production. We are also buying trash from other nations. (No RP ones willing at the moment)

[ooc: considering that it took almost ten years to build the first one, which was completed in the USA in 2003, I seriously doubt that Australia took the lead on this project and built an entire line of plants ready for use before them...I gave ten years for construction and implementation of polcies, not for use...That said if you provide an update on their construction, it may be more legitimate to say that you have an entire series of plants ready for artificial crude oil usage.]

IC:

Australia wishes to extend an invitation to a conference on trade to Great Britain and America. It will take place in Sydney, Australia in two weeks on the important matter of trade and international cooperation in environmental safety protocols.


OOC: No need for a new thread, let's to it here.
The US would be happy to attend a summit in Sydney to meet with Australia and Great Britain.

OOC: I'm not sure about Great Britain, though, since they haven't replied in a while at all after posting their desire to rp as Great Britain.

[ooc: considering that it took almost ten years to build the first one, which was completed in the USA in 2003, I seriously doubt that Australia took the lead on this project and built an entire line of plants ready for use before them...I gave ten years for construction and implementation of polcies, not for use...That said if you provide an update on their construction, it may be more legitimate to say that you have an entire series of plants ready for artificial crude oil usage.]

Though that is ONE plant, this means that it had to go through many problems and ordeals before being completed, three years is surely enough time to build the plants. I'm sorry, but I am NOT changing my stance on them, just because someone built it slower out of a lack of innovation and money for these.

The US would be happy to attend a summit in Sydney to meet with Australia and Great Britain.

OOC: I'm not sure about Great Britain, though, since they haven't replied in a while at all after posting their desire to rp as Great Britain.

We have a new UK, want to do it now then? Right in this thread?

Though that is ONE plant, this means that it had to go through many problems and ordeals before being completed, three years is surely enough time to build the plants. I'm sorry, but I am NOT changing my stance on them, just because someone built it slower out of a lack of innovation and money for these.





Your going through a very , very large military build up while also conducting an extremely expensive oversea's operation in Africa, how do you have the money to build so many plants in three years? Do you know how expensive it is to even build a low tech coal fired plant? Let alone a cutting edge facility.

Its hardly cutting edge. It's just not in demand.

Its close, but either way its expensive to build such plants. So the question still stands, how are you paying for all this?

Though that is ONE plant, this means that it had to go through many problems and ordeals before being completed, three years is surely enough time to build the plants. I'm sorry, but I am NOT changing my stance on them, just because someone built it slower out of a lack of innovation and money for these.

[ooc: if you can explicitly explain to me the process of thermal depolymerization, perhaps I could personally accept it...Sel Appa might say it's ok, but until then, it remains unreasonable to me that anyone could be such a genius to cut the construction of a brand new variety of facility by over one-half - even one-half. Do it as you please, but until you can explain it the process to me - step-by-step, I won't accept it.]

OOC: Just some numbers for you to throw around. Australia needs about 900,000 barrels of oil a day, this is in 2006, so It would be higher for you. The TDP plant at Carthage produces 500 barrels of oil a day. 900,000 divided by 500 is 1,800 plants. Times that by the $20 million it costs to build each plant...36,000 million, or 36 billion. Lets not forget all the workers(lots of $$_ needed to operate the plants and the training for them(more $$) and the workers to build them(Lets not forget Australia's small population of 20 million.), and also where the fuel for the plants is going to come from. (200 tons daily for the one existing in Carthage) So multiply 200 tons by 1,800 plants and you have 360,000 tons of garbage daily. Three years is impossible, even ten by be a stretch.

Feedstock:

The feedstock material is first ground into small chunks, and mixed with water if it is especially dry. It is then fed into a reaction chamber where it is heated to around 250 °C and subjected to 600 lbf/in² (4 MPa) for approximately 15 minutes, after which the pressure is rapidly released to boil off most of the water. The result is a mix of crude hydrocarbons and solid minerals, which are separated out. The hydrocarbons are sent to a second-stage reactor where they are heated to 500 °C, further breaking down the longer chains, and the resulting mix of hydrocarbons is then distilled in a manner similar to conventional oil refining.

Turkey Waste (don't ask)

Working with turkey offal as the feedstock, the process proved to have yield efficiencies of approximately 85%; in other words, the energy required to process materials could be supplied by using 15% of the petroleum output. Alternatively, one could consider the energy efficiency of the process to be 560% (85 units of energy produced for 15 units of energy consumed). The company claims that 15 to 20% of feedstock energy is used to provide energy for the plant. The remaining energy is available in the converted product. Higher efficiencies may be possible with drier and more carbon-rich feedstocks, such as waste plastic.

http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/S&E/tdps.htm

These plants cost ONLY $20 mil to build, if you are so obsessed with saying this is not possible read the link I gave you. There is nothing cutting-edge about it then the way its used.

Interesting fact....a person would give 38 pounds of oil if you threw one into it. >.>

The beauty of this process is that nearly any carbon-based waste will work just fine. Dead critters (Brad Lemfey, author of the Discover piece, used a 175 pound human as an example – such would render out to 38 pounds of oil. 7 pounds of gas, 7 pounds of minerals and 123 pounds of water), excrement, PVC piping, medical waste (non-radioactive, that is), ground up electronics, kitchen garbage, tires, all types of plastic – all can be converted, cheaply and easily, into gasoline, oil, and minerals, with the remainder of the bulk in almost pure water.

OOC: Just some numbers for you to throw around. Australia needs about 900,000 barrels of oil a day, this is in 2006, so It would be higher for you. The TDP plant at Carthage produces 500 barrels of oil a day. 900,000 divided by 500 is 1,800 plants. Times that by the $20 million it costs to build each plant...36,000 million, or 36 billion. Lets not forget all the workers(lots of $$_ needed to operate the plants and the training for them(more $$) and the workers to build them(Lets not forget Australia's small population of 20 million.), and also where the fuel for the plants is going to come from. (200 tons daily for the one existing in Carthage) So multiply 200 tons by 1,800 plants and you have 360,000 tons of garbage daily. Three years is impossible, even ten by be a stretch.


Here's the thing your not getting....though thanks for the info, you posted it 4 mins before me really.

The Carthage plant is a 1st Generation one, mine would be a 2nd Generation at the very least. Since this has a government backing behind it (and not a private company) I'll not have money issues with this. (I actually overshot my military budget for Australia and would cover this with it.)

The thing about the 'fuel' source, I'm buying trash and waste from other countries. ALSO I am using excess feed, stock, and waste from all forms of agriculture for this, as long as you continue crop rotation and periodically re-fertilze the fields you can continue to grab excess amount of oil from the product. I'm even considering using bamboo to have a good source of 'fuel'. Though I don't have a place for bamboo farming.

Finding sources of material to break down is not a problem and it is so abundant the larger facilities will be better maintained and they work well. Nicest thing of all, THEY TURN A PROFIT. You can sell the oil and gas for cheap, producing a market for this. Which is also why the complaints and court cases about this is damaging the industry and reducing the success, when it is infact very clean and perfect. (Businesses are very bad about being brought down by a cheaper, cleaner technology that is not their own, so Australia is going to be smart and go green.)

OOC: I understand that the money issue isn't that big, you can afford it although its going to hit you hard trying to build the plants while at war and going through a military build up. The real questions are

1. the work force needed to man the facilities and the support structure around the facilities. Australia has a very small population, the grand majority of which is already employed and many of those that weren't are in your now much expanded military. Its not just the plants themselves but the support structure around them, transportation(drivers, handlers exc) The guys in the offices working the phones and doing busy work exc.

2. Getting the garbage to the plants. I understand you saying your going to buy the stuff from overseas but shipping in 360,000 tons of garbage daily is going to take a huge shipping network, one that Australia doesn't have yet.

I'm not saying you can't do this, just that its going to take time to get it done, a lot more time than just 3 years.

Its not 100% operational no. I haven't had any nations sign onto my program yet, though when they do we will. Australia has 150,000 men per year added to the work force basically. Since a good amount leave to, we are going to use criminal labor I think. Not sure if I'll have to go that far. While the unemployment is very very low (around 2-3%) I'll still be able to get a collection of plants going, but the massive shipping sector won't be able to be done.

The 360,000 ton required...is probably under the regular amount needed. I'm expecting a 10x larger capacity then the original plant because of sheer size. So around 1,300,000 million tons of waste processed a day maximum.

By using these around cities and urban areas you can effectively recycle and reuse the towns waste into fuel. It will be really big every summer and fall though when the plants will convert the agriculture products into oil. Using sewer sludge is another one...so many possibilies...the plants can run easily on the waste produced a day. Though not at full capacity.

Factbook Updates for 2009:

Currently 22 million people are in Australia.
The birth rate has risen to 2.3 children per woman.
GDP: $820 Billion
Unemployment rate: Less then 1% due to government backed TDP and military spending needs.
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The Australian Government is backing heavy industrial growth with business subsideries for all businesses. Also the government is planning to pay parents for birthing children and raising them, which is hoping to create an artifical baby boomer. Though the steep costs has sent Australia from its previously good and almost debt-free nation back a massive $300 billion for the next 5 years on these projects. Though time will tell if the risky plan will be effective for boosting Australia's economy.

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OOC: IN heavily industrialized and modern countries birth rates go down for a reason, so unless your willing to pay huge amounts o money per child your not gonna get the birth rate up much. It costs thousands to raise children nowadays, tens of thousands, in an industrialized nation because of this and other reasons there is no way Australia is going to get its birth rate up significantly, if you want a pop increase your going to have to get it some other way.

/ooc perhaps china would trade you children for oil ^.^ ... jk /ooc

OOC: Australia would do that lol!

The children are being paid for....but I'm going to use proproganda to help that. 1.77 kids is not good. So we're doing something new...

/ooc can see the propoganda now.. "NO MORE CONDOMS!!" "Only loosers dont get some by age 18!" "protection is for wusses" "do koalas use protection! NO! so why should you! *big austrilian uncle sam pointing at you*" i want to live in austrilia >.<

OOC: Correct...Cause Australia has protection for hookers even! LEGAL! :D

Though seriously:

IC:

"A large family is a happy family!"
"More kids...more money!"
"Service your wife and service Australia!"
"Procreation is natural and beautiful!"
"Just do it, cause its the right thing to do."
"Do it because in China they can't!"
"There is no substitute for a family."
"A perfect family has four or more kids."
"Things are great! Let's have another baby join the club, honey!"

These and dozens of other child advertisements are seen around the country. Encouraging couples and existing families to produce for Australia. Combined with tax-cuts for families larger then 4 kids and feeling more like a 'real' family. The emphasis on families with less then 4 kids is that they are really not patriotic or in love. This is the start of Australia's baby boomer, inspiried by the nations need to grow!

The CEO of 'Omega-chip' has released a new type of chip that is going to be mass-produced for the world. The chip is unlike any other and is expected to bring many high-tech businesses to Australia.

The chip is made out of diamonds! A complete motherboard is expected to cost around $10,000. Though the price may be steep, the technology is a brand new addition that allows for faster hard drive speeds, better CPU's, more Ram and can be used under extreme weather conditions.

Though the chip is made on a diamond waffer, the ability to resist heat far outweighes the cost for computers, which had practically reached the peak of power without liquid nitrogen cooling systems. As a result of this break-through the chips are able to withstand higher heat and are excellent conductors, allowing for a next-gen computer that won't quit.

As inaccordance with international copyright laws and applications of these chips could easily be used as military weapons, the Australian government is carefully watching to make sure other nations do not find out how to make the chips in mass production or take profits for counterfeits.

The Russia/Australian Summit about Economic Ties. Just a refrence.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471820

Feedstock:

The feedstock material is first ground into small chunks, and mixed with water if it is especially dry. It is then fed into a reaction chamber where it is heated to around 250 °C and subjected to 600 lbf/in² (4 MPa) for approximately 15 minutes, after which the pressure is rapidly released to boil off most of the water. The result is a mix of crude hydrocarbons and solid minerals, which are separated out. The hydrocarbons are sent to a second-stage reactor where they are heated to 500 °C, further breaking down the longer chains, and the resulting mix of hydrocarbons is then distilled in a manner similar to conventional oil refining.

Turkey Waste (don't ask)

Working with turkey offal as the feedstock, the process proved to have yield efficiencies of approximately 85%; in other words, the energy required to process materials could be supplied by using 15% of the petroleum output. Alternatively, one could consider the energy efficiency of the process to be 560% (85 units of energy produced for 15 units of energy consumed). The company claims that 15 to 20% of feedstock energy is used to provide energy for the plant. The remaining energy is available in the converted product. Higher efficiencies may be possible with drier and more carbon-rich feedstocks, such as waste plastic.

http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/S&E/tdps.htm

These plants cost ONLY $20 mil to build, if you are so obsessed with saying this is not possible read the link I gave you. There is nothing cutting-edge about it then the way its used.

Interesting fact....a person would give 38 pounds of oil if you threw one into it. >.>

that's lovely, but that's not explicitly explaining to me the process. That's simply telling the superificial image - perhaps I wasn't clear myself in asking for an explanation. What are the chemical processes that allow the carbon polymers to re-arrange in such a manner and such a conformation that the conventional crude form of polymerized hydrocarbons to result? Do you have hydration formation? Do you have hydrogenation? blah? What makes that glucogen complex revert to a simplified alkane chain?

And 1st Generation plants versus 2nd Generation plants...I nearly laughed when I read that. you are making extremely large leaps in technology - I would say you were working with 4th Gen tech...

And finally, "going green" by artificially creating oil won't solve the problem of carbon imbalances - it will actually hurt it even more. basically, you're recycling the carbon in the immediate vicinity [i.e. trash] and rather than letting it decompose naturally and cycling into lithic carbon, you're taking and adding back that immediate amount. Quite honestly, I personally think that Australia's time and tech would be perhaps better spent on studying and contributing to the fusion race that is going on across the world now. Eventually, your oil plants will become less useful, even for the fabrication of plastics [although that might become a good reason to continue a minimal program...].

Laudable, but not reasonable in any reach of the sense of the intention and action...

Uh the process is shown right there infront of you....it heats them up and compresses them, acting like the earth does on its own to produce oil and gas. Though I guess you didn't understand the specifics. It's perfectly okay, I wish they would have better descriptions of the breakdowns for the process.

If you were in the field you'd know, but since I am clearly not, I can't give you the reasons why they breakdown, though it applies to the basic principal of heating up fats, heat them up and they break down and rearrange. You take larger chains and smash them into smaller chains.

Though yes it is a flaw, you do burn the oil and gas again, though the nice part is that it produces CO2 hopefully and can be re-asborbed into the plants and animals to be repeated. It makes a carbon cycle...though it still damages the ozone layer when burned, it doesn't produce any more trash or anything that is already on the surface. Its a temporary solution until other technologies are produced to stop this cycle and put it away safely again. (I.e. waiting for fusion)

[well, i cannot persuade you otherwise...i hope that i can persuade you to accept the realistic implications of fabricating oil on a large scale, but I little doubt that I can do that...

and besides, I still have to figure out what to do with africa as france; I can't spend forever debating this...]

OOC: Debating what about Africa? Australia is trying to bring the three states under its control, but holding down 8 million people is not an easy task. I'll have an IC update about it later, but I am still doing research for it.

OOC: Debating what about Africa? Australia is trying to bring the three states under its control, but holding down 8 million people is not an easy task. I'll have an IC update about it later, but I am still doing research for it.

[ooc: i meant debating the oil... Africa is a high priority for France, especially, since some of the states that you indeed to control are former colonies of France...and we now value their independence...ESPECIALLY DJIBOUTI :p]

[ooc: i meant debating the oil... Africa is a high priority for France, especially, since some of the states that you indeed to control are former colonies of France...and we now value their independence...ESPECIALLY DJIBOUTI :p]

I haven't attacked Djibouti, I posted in the UN about getting permission. I eliminated Somaliland and Puntland though. So don't get too worked up.

Australia's government has begun funding Toshiba for the Galena project. The $600 million required for production has been sent to the Japanese company to begin building a prototype.

Australia is expected to further its 'Green-program' and sell electricity to other nations as need be.

Russia will not allow Australia to invade Djibouti. Our aid progams are working and a very tense meeting is going on between Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Djibouti that could, if disrupted, start a very bloody war.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472000

The conflict is here....

Updates in Somalia:

Australian businesses are taking a hold in the nation and are increasing the production. The large naval port has been completed and an international market has been opened between Somalia and Australia.

180 Hospitals around Somalia have been completed and are fully operational and are currently training and being staffed by Somalias. The medical equipment is being donated by Australia's government and various other businesses of Australia to help increase the modernizationof Somalia.

Over ten million water purification systems have been delivered to Somalia thus far, as the Australian military handed them out they did not recieve must resistance after the Somalias learned that the water was pure and great, and they can drink as much as they need without getting sick.

The Somalian power plants have been improved and enlarged to produce more energy for the modernizing country, it is hoped that the energy of the demands of the nation slowly increase along with the amount of power the country is able to use until 2012 when five hydroelectric power plants come online along with 5 coal fired plants come online.

So far most of the original housing in Somalia has been torn down and being replaced with proper homes that are economical and produce their own energy through solar panals. Such things as heated water, lights and other environmentally friendly ideas have been put into the houses so that they stay warm in winter and cool in the summer. Australian retail businesses are currently taking charge in the operations of constructing and selling the homes to Somalias whose wealth is now on par with Australia.

More to come later....

Israel sends congrats to Australia on their sucessful invasion of Somalia, and hopes this will ensure security for the oppressed peoples of Africa. Above all, we thank Australia for improving humanity through this strife.

Israel sends congrats to Australia on their sucessful invasion of Somalia, and hopes this will ensure security for the oppressed peoples of Africa. Above all, we thank Australia for improving humanity through this strife.


OOC: thanks

IC:

As mentioned earlier, attacks on Somalia/Australian people are being conducted by the warlords, forcing a possible aggressive attack on the nations of Ethiopia and Djibouti (which Lithuania is sending troops to train them) in a possible African war.

Australia is making it clear that they will not stand for cowardly attacks upon the people of either nation, and will not hesistate to remove the threat with military action.

To: Australian Government
From: Prime Minister Lee, Singapore

We have noticed the recent acts of Australia in regards to foriegn and domestic affairs. While these actions have taken many Singaporeans offguard, we feel that perhaps Australians and Singaporeans can talk, and mutually benefit from each other's technologies and resources.

To that end, I would like to offer a reciprocal trade pact with the Australian Government that would lower barriers on both sides.

To: Prime Minister Lee
From: Prime Minister Aramaki

Wonderful, do you suggest a summit for such matters to be discussed?

To: Prime Minister Lee
From: Prime Minister Aramaki

Wonderful, do you suggest a summit for such matters to be discussed?

To: Prime Minister Aramaki
From: Prime Minister Lee

I would suggest such a meeting, yes. Singapore and Australia are linked by common ties from the days of British command. Why disband them now? I am willing to host you in Singapore, but if you want me to come to Canberra or another site, I can do so.

To: Prime Minister Lee
From: Prime Minister Aramaki

I'll be happy to attend the meeting in Singapore. I shall arrive as scheduled.

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OOC: You make the thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472148

Our conference. I may reply tomorrow, due to the time....

Updated thread info list and made a few changes.

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Australia is developing Cold Plasma technology. The Australian government is putting $20 million into the research for a cold fusion use and application for both peaceful and miliaristic needs.

The money is ten times the amount the USA was willing to spend on cold plasma in the earlier years of the project.

[ooc: even that might be enough...]

France is enouraged to find other nations seeking alternative sources of energy, and we sincerely wish your country luck in that particular field.

[ooc: even that might be enough...]

France is enouraged to find other nations seeking alternative sources of energy, and we sincerely wish your country luck in that particular field.

Also; check this thread France. It applies to you.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10551487#post10551487

Australia is currently recieving pressure from France and as a result has stopped all informational releases of the Cold Plasma technology. However it appears that the Cold Fusion technology is currently entering the experimental testing stage.

Current platforms being tested are missiles, aircraft, tanks and vehicles.

Cold Plasma missiles are expected to enter service in mid 2011
Cold Plasma aircraft are expected to enter service in 2014
Cold Plasma tanks are expected to enter service in 2013
Cold Plasma vehicles are not expected to enter service at all.

sorry to get off topic but does anyone know whether or not railgun technology will be produced in the near future?

sorry to get off topic but does anyone know whether or not railgun technology will be produced in the near future?

It is...but the energy limitations makes it very expensive and Russia and America will probably only have it. With Europe also gaining it soon after.

[OOC: Electromagnetic weapons won't be introduced before 2030 as a viable alternative to the conventional solid propellant smoothbore/riflebore gun - this according to a PDF released by Rheinmetall. There has been testing done with concepts, and they have been successful, but the best results were achieved through using non-realistic rounds. The powerpack to the railgun alone for a 90mm application weighs just nay of 2 tons, which is heavy. The railgun is not making the 20 ton limit set by the FCS anytime soon.]

((erm... plasma weapons are highly unlikely but rail guns are likely as they are being developed...))
India is putting pressure on Australia to withdraw from Somalia as it is a direct invasion of their sovereignty

((erm... plasma weapons are highly unlikely but rail guns are likely as they are being developed...))
India is putting pressure on Australia to withdraw from Somalia as it is a direct invasion of their sovereignty

Ours are being developed...we'll be using them in 2011.

for a short list of reasos I will use wikipedia

* The plasma shot out of a plasma rifle tends to dissipate in the surrounding environment within about 50 centimeters from the gun, from thermal and/or electric pressure expansion, called blooming, unless the magnetic confinement bottle is extended all the way to the target (as it was in the games Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2), or the particles are fired at high enough speed to reach a target before blooming occurs. This is then a particle beam more than a plasma beam.
* The technology to create plasma toroids and particle beams is presently far too bulky for anything man-portable. In such a high-performance design, the plasma would have to be stored and created in highly focused magnetic bottles, such as those used in NASA's VASIMR rocket: this design has been suggested as a potential weapon design for future real human-engineered plasma weapons. For simpler designs based on plasma cutting torches, a designer could get away with using an arcjet to heat the plasma, if his power source is strong enough.
* Using current technology, if a plasma beam was fired in a planetary atmosphere, it would quickly be stopped by atmospheric resistance and would make a short hot flame like a blowtorch
* One virtually universal characteristic of plasma weaponry is its tendency to overheat, thus being sometimes impractical even within the context of science fiction.

Wrong one....please read my post again...

ah nevermind then I though you were useing it as a weapon
...still waiting on responce to the increase of pressure

ah nevermind then I though you were useing it as a weapon
...still waiting on responce to the increase of pressure

So that means you don't like us much....that's not really a pressure...

think of it like this we are watching you and if you make a wrong move we have a excuse to attack

[ooc: if it's a war, try to avoid talking about future tech, unless your country actually has the technology to use; otherwise it clutters the thread...]

France officially bars any form of trade with Australia, seeing as they refuse to acknowledge our warnings and demands to cease hostilies with the people of Somalia. France furthermore warns Australia that if they do not remove their troops within a reasonable amount of time from Somalia, we will proceed to use military action to liberate the Somalian state.

[ooc: if it's a war, try to avoid talking about future tech, unless your country actually has the technology to use; otherwise it clutters the thread...]

France officially bars any form of trade with Australia, seeing as they refuse to acknowledge our warnings and demands to cease hostilies with the people of Somalia. France furthermore warns Australia that if they do not remove their troops within a reasonable amount of time from Somalia, we will proceed to use military action to liberate the Somalian state.

Umm....you know how stupid this sounds ICly? You been there for a year...you own the land and now we want you out! That's like leaving after wiping Iraq's leadership out and leaving it ruined.

[OOC: Yes, but this time around we're ready to just continue the developement of Somalia through an international effort, and not right out occupation.]

France opposes the occupation and assimilation of Somalia into the Australian state. This is not just invasion; it is conquest. France will not stand for that.

OOC: Have both of you declared war on Australia?

OOC: Have both of you declared war on Australia?

[OOC: No, only Spain, Iran and Italy.]

[OOC: No, only Spain, Iran and Italy.]

Umm...how about they say for themselves then?

[ooc: they already did...]

Iran http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10562477&postcount=42

Italy http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10561892&postcount=37

Islamic Federation http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10564183&postcount=43

Spain [need I say?]

Umm thread in context not out of context please.

Iran's one is fake, they can't do it ICly, Aramaki wouldn't stand for it.

[ooc: they already did...]

Iran http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10562477&postcount=42

Italy http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10561892&postcount=37

Islamic Federation http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10564183&postcount=43

Spain [need I say?]

Islamic Federation is also faked...ignored to. You can't go to war over OOC reasons that haven't existed. Now let me see the full Italy one.

OOC: Jesus Christ, stop making up bullshit and respond to the attack. Iran declared war on you - it's not fake. Now please respond. It's your fault your in deep shit, no deal with it.

What do you mean the Iran one is fake?

[ooc: I faked nothing...those are legit posts...be glad that France isn't among them, because those guys aren't very active...]

What do you mean the Iran one is fake?

OOC: He doesn't mean anything; he's making as much as he can up so that he can get out of hot water. He can't accept the consequences of his cockiness.

OOC: He doesn't mean anything; he's making as much as he can up so that he can get out of hot water. He can't accept the consequences of his cockiness.

Shut up and use this thread stop spamming mine up:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10568248#post10568248

As from recent postings, all Naval forces possess two Metal Storm bullet boxes that are used to shred enemy missiles before they hit the ship. The defensive mechanism allows for a wall of metal to be deployed in rapid bursts to help defend the ship.

Australia has since closed all people interested in Metal Storm acquistion technology, using the native Australian technology for our own sole purpose, and use.

The ADWS are to be set up along the borders of Somalia (now, stationary), Bangladesh (In two years), Vietnam (In two years), and Australia (Currently researching mobile versions)
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Australia's OICW upgrade for the infrantry has set another year back, and possibly more as Spain's pressure to Australia has the navy scrambling to find an appropiate measure against the military. It appears as if ADWS systems will be ineffective on the naval vessels, but will make incredibly short work of any aircraft that fly over the Red Sea, along with several SAM batteries that are operational.
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Australia is currently recieving pressure from France and as a result has stopped all informational releases of the Cold Plasma technology. However it appears that the Cold Fusion technology is currently entering the experimental testing stage.

Current platforms being tested are missiles, aircraft, tanks and vehicles.

Cold Plasma missiles are expected to enter service in mid 2011
Cold Plasma aircraft are expected to enter service in 2014
Cold Plasma tanks are expected to enter service in 2013
Cold Plasma vehicles are not expected to enter service at all.
OOC: I assume this is for plasma stealth, and if so, cold plasma is not going to work as you expect Asbena. It has already been pretty well refuted in most of your applications. Lets see:

Missiles: Rather useless. Plasma (cold or otherwise) cannot be maintained over the airframe due to friction with the air. The only use of plasma stealth has been admitted to be an internal screen covering certain high-return internal components. On a missile, only the radar (if it has one) could be covered thus. However, the screen will interfere with any such radars. While you could have it deactivate the screen when the radar turns on, it's at this point that the missile is most likely to be detected anyway.

Aircraft: Very limited. As mentioned above, Russian experiments have proven that plasma cannot cover the exterior of an aircraft, limiting it to covering internal components such as radars. This only provides notable signature reduction for relatively non-stealthy aircraft with powerful radars. It does not help as much as many current and more "conventional" stealth technologies.

Tanks: Rather limited. You again can't cover the whole vehicle (this time simply because there are areas you can't generate a field over due to lack of space for components, such as the barrel). Tanks are also not helped that much because many of the radars that are used to detect them are actually powerful enough to detect them even with the coating.


And regardless, this once again falls under the "you forgot to take the time for proper R&D." You need a few more years of integration and testing, and then a few to design a new system based on this. I would not expect to see any of these in service prior to 2015, and probably later. And either way, you're seriously overspending again.

Cold fusion is a straight up no. You cannot have it for some time. Not without providing several major breakthroughs (which I don't recall seeing). Realize that in 17 years, there's been very little progress, leaving the entire validity of the concept in doubt, and that even if it was possible, Australia won't be the first to have it. Japan would probably lead the way there, and no amount of claiming would change that.
For cold fusion, even if accepted, I don't see it happening before 2020, and no practical application before 2025.

-CBSS Diplomat
While we notice that you are having some problems with the outside world, the CBSS would like to inquire as to if you are still looking to purchase trash waste from countries. If this is the case we would be interested in selling you our waste. f possable, we would like to know if you would consider the exchange of fissable material such as uranium for this waste. We know the exchange rate would be quite bad, but we are interested nonetheless. Otherwise, we may be interested in purchasing Fissable material from you.

/ooc shal we assume the deal that went through last night before they restored the forums is still valid? 1 ton of waste for 2 lbs of processed uranium?

Could I have a list of any Australian tanks availible for purchase by Argentina? We would be interested in a contract for a fair price if there are any suitible ones.
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Secret From: Nestor Kirchner, President of Argentina
To: Australia
Re: Tanks
These tanks must be capable of crossing mountains such as the andes by some means of transport besides airlifting, they could also pehaps be put on ship and transferred through a short location. We must have these soon, and we need enough to storm a city. (Not stating that we are going to do anything, but one of our prioreties is to make sure we can win most wars)
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OOC: SECRET MEANS ONLY AUSTRALIA CAN SEE IT!

SIC:

Australia has 71 Leopard I's that we are looking to sell, but with way the current things are, our tank production is possible, but at a rate of 20 Leopards a month. Australia can produce the tanks and sell them to Argentina if they desire it.

Could I have a list of any Australian tanks availible for purchase by Argentina? We would be interested in a contract for a fair price if there are any suitible ones.
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Secret From: Nestor Kirchner, President of Argentina
To: Australia
Re: Tanks
These tanks must be capable of crossing mountains such as the andes by some means of transport besides airlifting, they could also pehaps be put on ship and transferred through a short location. We must have these soon, and we need enough to storm a city. (Not stating that we are going to do anything, but one of our prioreties is to make sure we can win most wars)
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OOC: SECRET MEANS ONLY AUSTRALIA CAN SEE IT!

[ooc: yea, tell that to my IF... you don't need to tell us if it's secret...just type SIC... :)]

Secret From: Nestor Kirchner, President of Argentina hmm... i wonder what a secret is...

lol, theres been alot of idiots god modding and "seeing" SICs

hmm... i wonder what a secret is...

[ooc: hahaha :) - you're taking this too seriously... just type SIC or SECRET FROM: to your pleasure - we'll never know about it...]

like who? and when?

lol, theres been alot of idiots god modding and "seeing" SICs

Ya....I wonder who they are.... >.>

Was that SIC to Russia?

lol Asbena, you can reply at any time IC ;)
NVM didnt see ur reply
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Is there any information/specs I could see on the Leopards?

[ooc: this is a little hypocritical, but mind you all to use the ooc thread for this conversation, since this is Australia's thread...unless you don't mind it, Australia...]

Check wiki for Leopards

I don't mind the OOC here...but only cause its related to Australia (for the most part).

Australia has nothing more modern than the Leopard 1? Or are they modified?

Australia has nothing more modern than the Leopard 1? Or are they modified?

Unmodified I think....maybe...wikipedia is lacking.

well apparently theyre from world wars two... but if they can either cross mountains (doubtfull, but I dont know much about tanks) or be loaded onto ships its fine.

Leopards are from the 60's or 70's, not World War 2

The US has issued a full trade embargo on Australia, and we support France's motion of:

"France requests that the NATO move to offer its support for UN resolution ###, condemning Australia for its unwarranted invasion and current occupation of Australia. As it currently stands, France, Denmark, and Portugal [ooc: there may be others, but I don't know...] have issued a full trade embargo on Australia, and we encourage the other NATO members to follow in suit. Hopefully, we will avoid having to use military force to persuade Australia out of Somalia."

The US has issued a full trade embargo on Australia, and we support France's motion of:

"France requests that the NATO move to offer its support for UN resolution ###, condemning Australia for its unwarranted invasion and current occupation of Australia. As it currently stands, France, Denmark, and Portugal [ooc: there may be others, but I don't know...] have issued a full trade embargo on Australia, and we encourage the other NATO members to follow in suit. Hopefully, we will avoid having to use military force to persuade Australia out of Somalia."
for its invasion of AUSTRALIA? Don't you mean Somalia or Djibouti?

for its invasion of AUSTRALIA? Don't you mean Somalia or Djibouti?

[ooc: That should be Somalia...occuapation of Australia by Australia is fine by us :D]

Due to the current trade embargo on Austrilia, the CBSS must unfortunatly cease its trade of waste for uranium. We hope that this situation can be resolved quickly and peacefully as this deal supplied energy for both of our countries.

You do know that embargo isn't a law lol. If your nation values the uranium then they should still trade.

Israel would like some of that uranium.

SIC: Australia is interested in selling, and asks what type of uranium is suitable.

/ooc its not the UN embargo i'm going with.. its the NATO embargo. the UN couldnt enforce its way out of a wet paper bag... NATO however.. yea.

/ooc its not the UN embargo i'm going with.. its the NATO embargo. the UN couldnt enforce its way out of a wet paper bag... NATO however.. yea.

What NATO embargo...there is no NATO here. Who said there was a NATO embargo on me?

/ooc its not the UN embargo i'm going with.. its the NATO embargo. the UN couldnt enforce its way out of a wet paper bag... NATO however.. yea.

[ooc: bearing in mind that the embargo is a NATO initiative to follow the endorsements of the UN...]

/ooc NATO did... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473174

for its invasion of AUSTRALIA? Don't you mean Somalia or Djibouti?

(OOC: LOL. You're absolutely right.)

OOC: OK This crap has gone on far enough. This fucking joke is pissing me off. WE ARE LEAVING SOMALIA! What is your problem dammit! I've posted it in like 10 threads now! Even the damn name of the operation said it would fix African nations that were unable to properly care for themselves, and until Mac came along I was actually getting by pretty easily and this is total crap! If Somalia is left to its own right now do you know how BAD things will be!?

SIC: Australia is interested in selling, and asks what type of uranium is suitable.

SIC: Give us the kind we can use to make nuclear weapons. Will you make the same deal with us that you made with the CBSS? We'll give you trash, you give us uranium.

We certainly have enough hanging around.

OOC: Weapons-grade Uranium!? We don't even have that. Australia is peaceful use of nuclear power under the treaty. We don't possess weapons-grade uranium.

IC: Australia has no weapons-grade uranium to sell or any of its own.

Upon review, the CBSS would like to resume its trade with Austrilia. The timetable set by the Austrilan government is suitable for the full removal of troops from somalia and the establishment of a democratic government.

OOC: Weapons-grade Uranium!? We don't even have that. Australia is peaceful use of nuclear power under the treaty. We don't possess weapons-grade uranium.

IC: Australia has no weapons-grade uranium to sell or any of its own.

OOC:darn... I want some of that stuff.. :headbang: :p

IC: very well... what other kinds are there?

OOC:darn... I want some of that stuff.. :headbang: :p

IC: very well... what other kinds are there?


Cen: Thank you, first nation to realize we don't want to annex Somalia...after embargo. :o

Geneticion: You can always enrich it if you have the facilities...but the other kind is regular reactor uranium. For nuclear power.

IC: Australia only possesses mined uranium and reactor-ready uranium.

[ooc: Australia hasn't provided absolutely clear intentions...the only real thread that you posted was the one where you said that Australia would CONSIDER withdrawal plans after 2015, which does fit nicely with what you have said; but you haven't listed any plans for that. We want more than just ooc statements and a CONSIDER plan; we want a PLAN. And furthermore, if Australia is truly intent on leaving Somalia, they wouldn't mind a UN resolution authorizing peacekeeping forces in Somalia to ease your transition out of there and help recover the country from the conflict, would they?]

Israel would like to trade you some garbage... for some of your regular uranium.

Australia accepts Israel offer if it is for 1 ton of garbage per 1 pound of uranium.

OOC: Naktan...I know I produced a damn list cause I was talking about it in class yesterday with Kyanges and ND. But where do I post the new post!?

Australia accepts Israel offer if it is for 1 ton of garbage per 1 pound of uranium.

Done... 3000 tons of garbage are on the way... you can pick them up when you drop off the soldiers.

OOC: Naktan...I know I produced a damn list cause I was talking about it in class yesterday with Kyanges and ND. But where do I post the new post!?

[ooc: Here? France? OOC? Somalia? anywhere where the matter is pertinent? if it were, I'd post it everywhere it was pertinent so that some people don't go around yelling out for demands that have already been met...]

Done... 3000 tons of garbage are on the way... you can pick them up when you drop off the soldiers.
OK

Naktan: will do...let me retype it up.

Australia to Leave Somalia by 2016

Current Operations in Somalia
Remove Warlords
Stop terrorist attacks from Somalis
Reestablish the Somalian Border
Replace Mogudishu as the capital and center of the Somalian Government
Modernize Somali with western goods

Currently 30,000 Australian Troops are stationed throughout Somalia they are the overseer's of the project by Australian businesses and industrial factories. The plan is to rebuild Somalia as a powerful nation, complete with full electricity and water availibity to all citizens. The project includes a total social and welfare revamping.

120 Hospitals
12 Power Plants (Coal/Gas Powered)
Reconstruction of 4,000,000 homes and businesses
Laying down 1,800,000 miles of wire
Digging in 800,000 miles of sewage/water systems
Clearing 400,000 hexacres for farming
Paving 250,000 miles of road

Another operation is to purge bacterial sources from lakes and rivers to make them drinkable, this operation is expected to last 5 years. The plan is to make the water in Somalia safe to drink without the threat of water-borne sickness the currently plagues the people. Since the troops moved into Somalia the problem has been largely quelled with mass distribution of water purifiers and pumps that would allow the impurities to be removed easily. Such operation had an economic boom on the Australian market which was the sole producer of water purifers, so much so that the companies stock rating increased by fourteen times as 4 million units were ordered from the military to aid in Somalia. These water purifers are being paid for by Somali's that are currently helping to rebuild their shattered nation. The production of water purifiers started three years prior to the invasion along with Australia's movement to Somalia with Operation Humanity. Such interests helped to boost Australian businesses and their economic power with such demand of equipment.

The purification of the rivers is helped largely by building cleansing plants. The water purifiers will be completed in 2012 that will completely make Somalia's water supply safe and accessable as soon as the sewage/water system is completed. Somalias are currently funding this project on the side with the Australian military as this is one of the most potential life-saving operations in Somalia to fix the problem of water-borne illness and provide farms with plenty of safe water to grow plants and crops. The removal of the diseases will largely reduce the medical costs and problems of the Somali people on the largest and most viewable short-term scale that is being seen every day. What used to be brownish or dank water is now clear blue and the Somali's like the ablity to produce their own clean water from dirty water.

The engineers that are currently over seeing the operation, upgrade and functioning Somali power plants report a 20% increase in efficent production of power. The energy demands currently met the needs of Somalia in the past, but the next operation have put major strain on this and thayt is why twelve additional power plants began construction two years ago and they are just coming online now to give Somalia a massive power supply that is able to be sold to nearby countries to actually begin the restoring process in nearby Ethiopia, Kenya and Djibouti. Australia is currently suggesting that power be sold for little charge or no charge to the countries, until things in Somalia pan out. The energy grid for Somalia is only 30% complete, but by 2015 it will be completed.

Businesses in Somalia are largely run by Australians and the key export of Somalia is becoming a huge success. Agriculture is showing a massive boom, with the previous two years harvests being over 500% more successful and profitable for Somalia. Farmers were worried that the crops might be too plentiful and would reduce cost, but they agreed to subsidizing the farm to sell the food to starving Somalis and a business. This agriculture business is highly successful and is making many villages profitable by feeding the cities. Already there has been a 40% reduction in the cases of mal-nutrition as food becomes plentiful and cheap across Somalia.

Australia's troops are aiding in setting up medical facilities until the hospitals are completely supplied and stocked.While the demand of the troops is overwhelming the ability to care for the Somali's diseases is dire, so dire that the new medical students of Somalia are allowed to begin practicing medicine and surgery and care of patients with only four months of training. These are specifically met to the current issues at hand. Malnutrition, sickness, disease and other forms of bacterial illness. The current system is that medical officers of Australia identify what the probable illness is and sends the sick person to the specific doctor to be healed in the area that they are suited to. Medicine is a big problem, antibotics are being heavily abused and are being taken when not needed. Other patients are unable to recieve the medicines they need as a result of others infront of them that need the pills. The medical part of Operation Humanity is severely lacking and if Australia was not under trade embargos, would be able to procure the medical supplies they so dearly need. Australia has been providing stainless steel knifes and medical equipment to Somali hospitals, but sterlization of the tools is not often done, most are rinsed with purified water before surgeries and examinations, but this is a drawback of the influx of patients that are coming to the hospitals.

The Education System proposes by Australia is severely lacking and as a need to have more skilled workers in Somalia, the military is currently offering courses and information to Somali's on how to teach others, it is hoped that by 2017 that the beginning of a national school system is going to be run by the Somali government. Though this process is a long one, Australia is assured that it cannot care for this sector completely and is relying heavily on the local government to make this happen.

The reconstruction of housing is a joint effort by the proper government and the Australian government to meet the demands of the cities, which have been severely abused in recent years. Ever since the fall of the Somali government in 1991, the proper maintaince and operation, construction and care for the buildings have been up to the people that occupied them. In many cases the housing of the cities is inadequet and must be torn down and rebuilt, though the conditions may be bad, the livablity of the buildings still stands and only severely damaged buildings are being torn down and rebuilt in small economic sizes with non-descript cookie-cutter features.

The labor provided for the housing effort, much of the same along with the agricultural, medical, engineering, educational, law enforcement, and services is being provided largely by the Somali's with local governments at the head of the decision making process, except for areas of Somaliland and Puntland, which are under control of the military.

The Transitional Federal Government consisting of a 275-member parliament was established in October 2004 of Mogudisho is currently at the center of Australian and Somalian plans to fix the nation. The unicameral government is the primary driving force for repairs of Somalia. Although an interim government was created in 2004 other governing bodies continue to exist and control various cities and regions of the country, including the self-declared Republic of Somaliland, Australia's forceful removal of the twin nations within Somalia has made the hand of the Transitional Federal Government powerful.

Australian military officals can only help keep the peace and oversee the operation of the Transitional Federal Government that is currently being overwhelmed and is trying to grab full control of the northern parts of Somalia.

There is talk of placing the former Prime Minster Dishu at the head of a democratic party with the cabinet members made of the clans in a form of democratic/federalism style government. Australia only encourages that Prime Minister Dishu be made head of Somalia as his record to keep Somalia under control has been successful. Australia will not attempt to remove Prime Minister Dishu from his position and believes that Somalia will recognize the leader as the proper ruler of Somalia.

Australian troop removal will commence at 2012 will a steady reduction of 10,000 troops by 2013. These troops will lower the amount stationed in Somalia from 40,000 to 30,000 after the Dome of the Rock issue is solved.

In 2013 a proposed reduction of an additional 5,000 troops is being heard of. This is depending largely on Somali's ability to take charge of itself with Dishu at the head. Although Dishu promises he will not back down from Australian aid and businesses, he wishes the troops leave even if their is severe problems as long as they do not threaten the Federal Government.

In 2014, another 10,000 troops are expected to return home, dropping the total number of troops in Somalia to just 15,000. This is largely do to the military's optimistic response to Dishu wanting to get Somalia under control, by 2014 the military believes that a large part of troops will not be needed to secure Somalia.

In 2015, all 15,000 troops are expected to return home by 2016, as economic aid to Somalia is continued, but the established law enforcement and central production of the country is transferred back into Somalia. Somalia will be its own sovereign nation will a direct tie to Australia as an ally and economic trade partner for many decades to come.

OOC: See http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10581457#post10581457 for more.

OOC: It wasnt a joke just a correction
IC: Argentina congratulates Australia on its withdrawl from Somalia, but believe this whole issue was a big fuss over nothing. This was supposed to help Somalia, which the outher countries wouldn't let happen.

OOC: Like I said...Somalia needed to be invaded to fix the damn problem of the two warlords of Puntland and Somaliland that ARE part of Somalia that would not give control back to the government (which is why we invaded and kicked their asses at great lost to our own).

Australian businesses will be happy for decades on fixing Somalia....wireless communication, textiles and other products that Australia doesn't like can now be filled with educated workers. Australia is also leaving their ENTIRE Leopard I tank force, the 700 APCs, and 380 Artillery pieces in SOMALIA'S CONTROL! Also we are giving all 16 F-18's and 10 Patrol boats (ones that were set to retire, but Australia replaced those with 14 extra around 2007). So Australia is giving away all the crap they used to take out the warlords and return the proper government to control.

Also...since I have a soft spot for Dishu...I am keeping him as Prime Minister. Though Australia is pushing for a democratic instead of clan-based federalist government. Though its up to them.

Feeling like getting some trash for some regular uranium? Ive got approx 1500 tons ready in government controll to trade for the uranium.:gundge: :p

Sure, we'll send 1500 pounds of uranium to you. ^-^

As Mr. Burns would say, Excelent....

The Republic of New Zealand has watched patiently for too long as Australia has begun blatant imperialism in Somalia, and as our friends the USA have done, we of New Zealand are cutting off oil and other exports to Australia unless their imperialistic reign ends. Also included in this action is the freezing of all Australian assets in New Zealand.

Helen Clark, Prime Minister

Argentina is very dissapointed in New Zealand. Just because you don't agree with Australia their assets should not be frozen.

SIC to Australia:
The United States would like to issue a strong request to Australia: Cease your trade of uranium to Israel immediately.

The Republic of New Zealand has watched patiently for too long as Australia has begun blatant imperialism in Somalia, and as our friends the USA have done, we of New Zealand are cutting off oil and other exports to Australia unless their imperialistic reign ends. Also included in this action is the freezing of all Australian assets in New Zealand.

Helen Clark, Prime Minister

OOC: New Zealand's economy dies....congratulations. We don't need the oil. You import and export MOST of your stuff to us. You export the most and import the most. You also IMPORT your oil from us. You just killed your economy.

IC: Australia points out that you don't even make the 10 ten nations we import from, while most of your fuel dependancy comes from Australia. We'd like to say that your incorrect assumption of imperialism (OOC: we aren't taking land from anyone), but New Zealand has the right to do whatever it want. Until New Zealand has come to its senses Australia is putting a quartine on New Zealand ports and waters.

OOC: Your GDP is SCREWED now. See this is what happens when you use OOC information for an IC post (even after I did that HUGE post to prove otherwise and our actions which you didn't read). This is the IC consquences.

SIC to Australia:
The United States would like to issue a strong request to Australia: Cease your trade of uranium to Israel immediately.

OOC: Isn't Israel going to be under the same pact as Australia? What's wrong with what we are doing, he doesn't have the means to produce weapons-grade uranium from what we give. (1500 pounds of uranium ore is dangerous?)

OOC: Isn't Israel going to be under the same pact as Australia? What's wrong with what we are doing, he doesn't have the means to produce weapons-grade uranium from what we give. (1500 pounds of uranium ore is dangerous?)

(OOC: One pound is dangerous. TBH, I'm just trying to be realistic. The US always gets twitchy when ever any amount of Uranium is traded around to nations in that region. And I'm sure you watch enough news to know that. So yeah, just making adding a dose of realism.)

OOC: New Zealand's economy dies....congratulations. We don't need the oil. You import and export MOST of your stuff to us. You export the most and import the most. You also IMPORT your oil from us. You just killed your economy.

IC: Australia points out that you don't even make the 10 ten nations we import from, while most of your fuel dependancy comes from Australia. We'd like to say that your incorrect assumption of imperialism (OOC: we aren't taking land from anyone), but New Zealand has the right to do whatever it want. Until New Zealand has come to its senses Australia is putting a blockaid on New Zealand ports and waters.

OOC: Your GDP is SCREWED now. See this is what happens when you use OOC information for an IC post (even after I did that HUGE post to prove otherwise and our actions which you didn't read). This is the IC consquences.

[ooc: blockade? that's a quarantine, not an embargo...]

[ooc: blockade? that's a quarantine, not an embargo...]

Fixed blockade to quarantine.

IC:Australia can't go back on a deal now...unless America reallows our order to go through.

OOC: Aramaki strikes again!

OOC: Isn't Israel going to be under the same pact as Australia? What's wrong with what we are doing, he doesn't have the means to produce weapons-grade uranium from what we give. (1500 pounds of uranium ore is dangerous?)

[ooc: 1500 POUNDS??????????? THAT'S ALMOST A WHOLE TON!!!! YOU ONLY NEED A VERY SMALL AMOUNT TO GENERATE ENERGY TO PRODUCE ELECTRICITY!!!

Conversions of energy:

Brown coal || 9.7 MJ/kg
Firewood ||16 MJ/kg
Black coal || 24-30 MJ/kg
Natural Gas || 39 MJ/m3
Crude Oil || 45-46 MJ/kg
Uranium - in light water reactor || 500,000 MJ/kg
(MJ = megajoules)

1 gram of uranium gives off as much energy as ~170kg of coal, or ~110kg of oil...]

Fixed blockade to quarantine.

IC:Australia can't go back on a deal now...unless America reallows our order to go through.

OOC: Aramaki strikes again!

[ooc: a quarantine on New Zealand is an equivalent to a declaration of war, especially considering that there is UN resolution on New Zealand...remember Cuba in 1962?]

The Republic of France demands that the Commonwealth of Australia cease its hostile quarantine of New Zealand, a nation acting within its national sovereignty and the provisions of the United Nations. If this demand goes unheeded, France will be prepared the defend the sovereignty of New Zealand against this unwarranted of New Zealand.

It's ORE....meaning 2-3% is actual uranium. Some even as low as 1%. This means he gets about 20-30 pounds of uranium. Which is enough for one reactor for a long time.

[ooc: a quarantine on New Zealand is an equivalent to a declaration of war, especially considering that there is UN resolution on New Zealand...remember Cuba in 1962?]

The Republic of France demands that the Commonwealth of Australia cease its hostile quarantine of New Zealand, a nation acting within its national sovereignty and the provisions of the United Nations. If this demand goes unheeded, France will be prepared the defend the sovereignty of New Zealand against this unwarranted of New Zealand.

IC: Under such opposition New Zealand is spared quarantine do to France's action, but Australia will watch New Zealand carefully.

OOC: I don't know about a UN resolution on NZ...what's that about?

It's ORE....meaning 2-3% is actual uranium. Some even as low as 1%. This means he gets about 20-30 pounds of uranium. Which is enough for one reactor for a long time.

[ooc: If it's ore, then state it! This is what I read now!!!

Sure, we'll send 1500 pounds of uranium to you. ^-^

That says uranium, not uranium ore...

and most uranium is marketed reactor-ready, because then you'd have to refine the uranium and then enrich it...which takes a big deal in technology...]

(OOC: Yeah, but this...

OOC: Isn't Israel going to be under the same pact as Australia? What's wrong with what we are doing, he doesn't have the means to produce weapons-grade uranium from what we give. (1500 pounds of uranium ore is dangerous?)

Too bad it's OOC.)

IC: Under such opposition New Zealand is spared quarantine do to France's action, but Australia will watch New Zealand carefully.

OOC: I don't know about a UN resolution on NZ...what's that about?

[ooc: I said there wasn't any resolution, so your action is being a little too hasty...]

France lauds Australia's decision to stand down on the quarantine. [ooc: reasonably, Australia could retaliate with their own trade embargo on New Zealand, but that would be redundant...]

[ooc: If it's ore, then state it! This is what I read now!!!



That says uranium, not uranium ore...

and most uranium is marketed reactor-ready, because then you'd have to refine the uranium and then enrich it...which takes a big deal in technology...]

Umm...ya...I'll fix that.

IC: Australia is unable to fulfill its end of the deal do to foreign pressure, we will pay for the trash under $40 a ton. Australia could envoke war by selling uranium.

[ooc: I said there wasn't any resolution, so your action is being a little too hasty...]

France lauds Australia's decision to stand down on the quarantine. [ooc: reasonably, Australia could retaliate with their own trade embargo on New Zealand, but that would be redundant...]

OOC: New Zealand just fried its own market...they'll be a third-world nation in a month NS wise. No fuel.

The CBSS was unaware that the Uranium we were trading for was unrefined. We have no use for unrefined uranium. The price we listed in trade was for Refined uranium ready for use in a reactor.

Surely, the world would not mind austrilia selling reactor refined uranium. its far from bomb ready.

Surely, the world would not mind austrilia selling reactor refined uranium. its far from bomb ready.

OOC: Ask the UN....otherwise I don't think we'll be looked on nicely

SIC to Australia:
Keep it up. We are very pleased with your sudden concern towards the reaction of the world to your actions.

Surely, the world would not mind austrilia selling reactor refined uranium. its far from bomb ready.

[ooc: actually refined uranium only needs to be enriched in order to be weapons grade...the difference between the uranium fuel and weapons-grade uranium is the concentration of U-238 to U-235...in nuclear bombs, the mixture of the isotopes is well over 50% [somewhere between 75% and 85%], while the most enriched that uranium gets in nuclear fuel is about 5%...]

/ooc so... could he sell me fuel or no?

OOC: Ask the UN....otherwise I don't think we'll be looked on nicely

[ooc: seeing as both nations have nuclear power, it is permissible to trade uranium fuel among yourselves, perfectly fine by the terms of the NPT...]

OOC: Ok...but Isreal is a no-go?

OOC: New Zealand's economy dies....congratulations. We don't need the oil. You import and export MOST of your stuff to us. You export the most and import the most. You also IMPORT your oil from us. You just killed your economy.

IC: Australia points out that you don't even make the 10 ten nations we import from, while most of your fuel dependancy comes from Australia. We'd like to say that your incorrect assumption of imperialism (OOC: we aren't taking land from anyone), but New Zealand has the right to do whatever it want. Until New Zealand has come to its senses Australia is putting a quartine on New Zealand ports and waters.

OOC: Your GDP is SCREWED now. See this is what happens when you use OOC information for an IC post (even after I did that HUGE post to prove otherwise and our actions which you didn't read). This is the IC consquences.

OOC-

"Australian conventional oil production could decline to very low levels between 2015 and 2025. Certainly by 2015 oil production will be minimal in Bass Strait, the Carnarvon Basin, and Central Australia. The uncertainty surrounds future discoveries and production from the Browse and Bonaparte Basins between Australia and Timor, the new exploration frontier."

"Their P10 forecast for 2010 was 530,000 barrels per day(Produced), 53% as condensate (BRS 1998, pp. 51-6, in press)."

"The oil industry forecasts total petroleum consumption will be 900,000 barrels per day by 2008 under business-as-usual scenarios, or 325 million barrels for the year."

"Will Australia be sidelined, how secure will oil imports be and at what price? By 2020 the only reliable supply may be a small quantity of local crude oil and an uncertain amount of condensate depending on natural gas developments. Shortages of diesel, lubricating oil and bitumen are likely to occur first."

"By 2030 the only reliable supply of cheap petroleum for transport and agriculture in Australia could be some condensate, a small quantity of LPG and natural gas. Imports of crude oil could not be relied upon at an affordable price. This suggests the closure of Australian oil refineries by then and contraction of the fuel distribution network. The only reliable hydrocarbon fuel for transport would be natural gas. Supply of lubricating oil and bitumen would be a problem."

"Trade Statistics: New Zealand Trade with Australia
NZ Exports (FOB, including re-exports)*
NZ$ 6.121 billion (annual value to Dec 2003)"

"Main Exports *
Exports as percentage of total exports to Australia:
Crude Oil - 10.6%"

You my sir, are screwed. Along with the US putting an embargo on you, you have lost access to nearly 54% of your Imported goods.

OOC: Considering we have proved oil for 22 years until 2027 and that we are currently producing over 1 million barrels of oil per day from the TDP plants which came online in 2011, we don't have ANYTHING to worry about. In fact we're planning to STOP production completely as all our needs are more then met. Also! Did you not forget about the 1.5 BILLION barrels of oil we purchased and shipped from Saudi Arabia? Which is another 5 years of oil consumption on that alone. So 2032 we'd have problems if it wasn't for the TDP plants.

Oh ya...the New Zealand EXPORTS of Oil is only a bit of the amount they import which is over 3x there exports....we have nothing to fear.

This whole thing about the Uranium, does that mean I got my uranium or not? And if so, that post said uranium, not uranium ore, therefore I expect uranium.

OOC: Ok...but Isreal is a no-go?

OOC: It sure is a go... what should stop it? The US... ha! No way.

We are an alliance... and we can't let anyone get in the way of that. Why should we let the US dictate what we trade... does President Clinton run Australia, Israel and the US?

No.

They should have no say in this matter, its free trade.

Besides that.... ever since my first post about the uranium (on pg. 8 I think) it's been secret anyway.

If your part of the pact (Israel isn't) you are getting your uranium...ready for reactor use!

This whole thing about the Uranium, does that mean I got my uranium or not? And if so, that post said uranium, not uranium ore, therefore I expect uranium.

[ooc: Taiwan getting uranium? ouch...]

OOC: Considering we have proved oil for 22 years until 2027 and that we are currently producing over 1 million barrels of oil per day from the TDP plants which came online in 2011, we don't have ANYTHING to worry about. In fact we're planning to STOP production completely as all our needs are more then met. Also! Did you not forget about the 1.5 BILLION barrels of oil we purchased and shipped from Saudi Arabia? Which is another 5 years of oil consumption on that alone. So 2032 we'd have problems if it wasn't for the TDP plants.

Oh ya...the New Zealand EXPORTS of Oil is only a bit of the amount they import which is over 3x there exports....we have nothing to fear.

[ooc: are you only concerned about oil?]

[ooc: Taiwan getting uranium? ouch...]


um.. ouch? Why do you say that? At the current, our goal with the uranium is to have power for the country in a better way.

[ooc: are you only concerned about oil?]

It is pretty much the main part of the export/import between the countries.

um.. ouch? Why do you say that? At the current, our goal with the uranium is to have power for the country in a better way.

[ooc: lemme say that China won't be happy that Taiwan is getting uranium from Australia for any real reason...if those comments are SIC, then don't worry about it...]

Um... yeah those are SIC

[ooc: are you only concerned about oil?]

Its the only one that Willink is saying is going to kill us. We have other things, but NPCs and the rest of the EU is more important and hasn't embargoed us.

Oh and yes the uranium ones are SIC. ^-^

OOC: How much Natural Gas do you make per pound of waste anyway?

It depends on make up. Though its about 50% oil and 50% gas.

you get 100% of waste turned into fuel? or did i misunderstand that

I posted the stuff back earlier about production. Though alot of it is waste water and stuff. It depends very heavily on what is the make-up. Plant waste...plastics...etc.

Australia's Cold Plasma Technology Hits Markets!

After many years of research Australia's company "Good Foods" has begun distribution of foods that are sterilized by Cold Plasma. The amazing ability to sterlize the food so easily and rapidly is a welcome technology that will help to push Australia's booming agricultural sector higher in the world. The cold plasma technology is being rapidly expanded to the medical field to sterlize instruments also.

Australian Research Homes 2nd Generation

http://www.build.qld.gov.au/research/virtual-tour/text-only/index.htm

After the success of the first generation house a second generation home is planning to be built to further utilize technology and humanity interacton. The popular new Australian homes like those seen above are only the first of many advanced home designs that will give better efficent practical use of resources and provide as much comfort as possible.

It will be 3 years until the findings of the 2nd gen house is released and a possible decade before they become common in Australia.

Australia is currently attempting to purchase the Leopard II full production rights from Germany.

Cross-referenced for ease in case of disputes:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469729

Argentina has the intelligence to believe Taiwan may break from China in the near future and wonders what Australia's position would be (assuming China and Russia declare war on Taiwan and their allies)

SIC: "Australia cannot risk a war with the super-powers for 5 years until the construction of our baser fleet is completed and our economic control and political hatred has calmed down." ~Alexander Andersong, Prime Minister's Aide.

SIC To Australia:
Argentina now has 100% proof Taiwan has split and declared itself the "People's Republic Of Taiwan", they are asking for all countrie's military support.

SIC:
"Taiwan will have to ask for any help directly from Australia and under specific conditions, the senseless loss of blood is not acceptable to Australia." ~Alexander Andersong.

Argentina will tell Taiwan to ask directly :D

Argentina will tell Taiwan to ask directly :D

OOC: You're going to cause another summit x-x!

OOC: Senceless loss of blood? LOL what about that Somalia thing. (J/k)

SIC (to argentina and australia) : Anyway, if help is needed, I will ask, but at the time im just hoping tht some contries can recognise Taiwan, and be there to help at a moments request if something does happen. The millitary of Taiwan (a small one) is trying to get into position in case of an attack from china.

OOC: Shut up...Somalia is a good thing...troop training! ^-^ Also don't use 'me' when refering to Taiwan lol.

SIC:

"Australia does recognize Taiwan, but our military pales in comparison to the might of China and Russia. If war was to be declared it'd be impossible to prevent the attacks." ~Alexander Andersong, Prime Minster's Aide.

Well who knows if Russia will help, but China could be taught a lesson (in the form of bombers over main cities) lol :p

Well who knows if Russia will help, but China could be taught a lesson (in the form of bombers over main cities)
OOC: China has one of the best air defense systems in the world. >.>

OOC: Yeah I know i was just kidding around

OOC: I see...get some progress on with Taiwan and we'll see. :o

A defense pact between the U.S. and Japan signed in 2005 also implies that Japan would be involved in any response to a PRC invasion.[22] In the event of an invasion, other U.S. allies, especially Australia, would also likely be expected to respond.[23]

OOC: Where you get that from? Though I doubt it would stand if it caused China to attack because they PROVOKED it. Foreign invasion...but Taiwan is not seperate of China at the time this was made.

Wikipedia, but yeah that won't apply for one reason, it wasn't really provoked by military action so thats not an argument, but that stood for an invasion of the island which no one had complete legal rule over, now that it is its own nation its completely different, as this isnt invasion its a war

Wikipedia, but yeah that won't apply for one reason, it wasn't really provoked by military action so thats not an argument, but that stood for an invasion of the island which no one had complete legal rule over, now that it is its own nation its completely different, as this isnt invasion its a war

Its not a war untill China gets around to posting something. :D

Its not a war untill China gets around to posting something. :D

OOC: Or someone RPs it for him.

To Australia:

You may be interested to know the current stance on the economic sanctions against Australia:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10594242#post10594242

In short, once we have proof that the UN is clearly established in Somalia, we are willing to lift the sanctions. We're also willing to provide 200 peacekeepers in Somalia, as part of the re-construction effort.

We're also willing to accept immigrants to Denmark and emigrants to Australia, although no temporary worker programs will be permitted until the economic sanctions are lifted.

Australian mining software dominates Peruvian market.

With the rapid expansion of the mining industry in Peru, exports of Australian mining software have flourished. It is now estimated that two thirds of the mines in Peru run Australian specialist mining software, and this is set to increase as more Australian companies become active in the sector.


As 2011-2012 software makes its debut in Australia, Australian dominance in Peru's software for mining continues on its decade long success! Australia is currently exporting the software outside to other mining companies.

Denmark has ceased sanctions towards Australia.

Australia thanks Denmark for being the 3rd nation to remove sanctions on Australia.

Edit OOC: This means we can trade better now?

Pending the removal of the last Australian troops and businesses from Somalia, the United States will lift its sanctions towards Australia.

Australia thanks America for being the 4th nation to remove sanctions on Australia.

OOC: Our order is filled?

Australia thanks America for being the 4th nation to remove sanctions on Australia.

OOC: Our order is filled?

(OOC: You may have to reorder it to make sure you're going to get it. Something like a check up. Plus, I haven't lifted it yet, I said I will, once Australia is completely out of the picture there. You can check up on your order then.)

Australia thanks Denmark for being the 3rd nation to remove sanctions on Australia.

Edit OOC: This means we can trade better now?

yep, back again to joint EU-Aus research, sheep trade and possibly better relations.

OOC: Alright. *sniffle*
IC:

Australia is stepping up its meat and diary deliveries to Peru to 25 AMU of powdered milk. Boasting a rise of 30% Australian cheese to Peru!

As Peru’s median income increases, so does demand for Australian gourmet food and beverages. In addition to the increases in Australian cheese exports, 15 new varieties of Australian wine were successfully imported to Peru in 2010.

yep, back again to joint EU-Aus research, sheep trade and possibly better relations.

The EU (entirety) holds 25% of Australian exports. We are a chief producer of gas pump, agricultural and food exports of the EU. However Australian operations of the TDP plants will step up to production of an additional million barrels of oil in 2012 as completion of new plants (started in 2008) begin to come online.

OOC: Remember that OLD OLD OLD post about starting them to produce 10 million barrels total per day, well...its almost time to start selling.

Australia has since approved of these FTA with the following countries.

Free Trade Agreements new
* Australia-ASEAN-New Zealand FTA
* Australia-China Free Trade Agreement
* Australia-Malaysia FTA
* Australia-UAE FTA
* Australia-Japan FTA

The CBSS would like to know why it is not worth of an FTA. As we were the first nation to remove the embargo on Austrilia.

We were also the first to begin trade with Austrilia for their power plants.

OOC: The FTA is not the same as regular trade. Very few nations have this. There is not the usual tariffs and fees involved.

OOC: The FTA is not the same as regular trade. Very few nations have this. There is not the usual tariffs and fees involved.

ooc: could've replied ICly. Anyway, I think he is annoyed that, as the first country to lift his embargo and trade with Australia, why do other countries get FTAs and he doesn't?

OOC: FTA takes time and several years of backing and many meetings. He'd have to come to us ICly, then do a feasibility meeting then negotiation and approval. He'd have to write a letter to Aramaki or Andersong for it.

To: Prime Minister of Australia
From: Nilda Garre, President of Argentina
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Australia is not to set foot on South American soil. Any invasion or "peaceful mission" to any South American country will be seen as a declaration of war on Argentina, and troops will be sent to fight against Australia. Also, if you sent troops to any other nations while still in your little African conquest there would not be enough troops/support in the homefront, Australia, and it would be likely there would be attacks there. Do not underestimate our military, ever.