NationStates Jolt Archive

Earlier today, the GSP (Gilabad Secret Police) uncovered an underground group of ICLU members inside Gilabad DF (capitol) performing illegal abortions, also the ICLU is strictly prohibited in Gilabad. The GSP lined them up against a wall and counted them and listened to their arguments. Most of their arguments were the common liberal nonsense, so the GSP raised their weapons and fired. They aimed at their privates first so that they would die slower. The GSPs weapons included USAS-12s, UMP-45s, AR-10s, and M-4s.
After they were dead, what was left of them was used as target practice for GSP trainees. A total of 50 men and 30 women were killed.

Warlord Shawhabas greatly praised the GSP on their work.
"This day will mark the beginning of the end for the pestillence known as the ICLU. As we all know, they have commited crimes such as murdering unborn babies and sponsoring the other pestillence known as Gay people! I give a clear warining to all ICLU members. We will find you, you have no where to run and no-where to hide!"

The Federation commends Gilabad for their action, as the ACLU has become more of a persuasion group focused on destroying conservative values. The ACLU has already been outlawed in the Federation, and encourage others to do the same.

[OOC: Why would the American Civil Liberties Union be in Gilabad?]

This is getting dull.

Whereas, the GSP has continued to conduct itself in a manner to place it above ordinary laws,

Whereas, Gilabad has, rather than condemning it, supported the GSP in its brutality,

And whereas, Gilabad has previously needed significant diplomatic pressure to exile, rather than massacre, its gay population,

The Beltway condemns the government of Gilabad for its brutality and inhumanity and,

Bans all trade with Gilabad.

Signed,
Timothy Kaine, Prime Minister

To: Gilabad
From: LIberal Democratic Republic of Brydog

We respect the choice you have made, but you could've gave them to us. Violence solve nothing, killing causes more killing. We ask that you should use non-violent methods unless you wat to die in your sleep because you told your people violence is OK.

[OOC: Why would the American Civil Liberties Union be in Gilabad?]

(OOC: It's probably a mimick of the PETA protests threads that have come up recently.)

Quaon once again condemns Gilabad for their barbaric actions, and their lack of due process. Again, as we have before, we offer these liberals refugee in Quaon.

We have an army. Please, stop these barbaric actions.

Quaon, enough with your bluffs! I would crush you by shear numbers! Again these people broke the law! They wouldn't dare turn to violence unless they all want to be massacred. I have complete control over my people, a revolt isn't a problem.

-Warlord Shawhabas

(OOC: This is not a mimic of the PETA threads, I had no idea they existed, non the less, remind me)

Quaon, enough with your bluffs! I would crush you by shear numbers! Again these people broke the law! They wouldn't dare turn to violence unless they all want to be massacred. I have complete control over my people, a revolt isn't a problem.

-Warlord Shawhabas
Enough with your threats! We have all the nations of the IASP behind us! We have the ability to deliver nuclear weapons to your land. Stop these threats, or you will force our hand!

We do not wish war, far from it. As you are a UN member, you have done nothing but broken UN laws! This is genocide! It's illegal!

Stop. We have allies that could crush you through numbers. Please, let's end this with diplomacy, not with blood.

In the event that you are willing to exile your liberals, we will accept them. If you prefer to commit a genocide, we are preparing ourselves for war.
-PM Kaine

President Keith Johnson stepped up to the microphone in an undisclosed location within Geneticon.

Reporters threw questions at him as soon as he stepped into the room.

Keith raised his hands and asked for silence.

"We have just recieved the report of the brutality in Gilabad, and we would like to inform both them and the rest of the world that we highly disagree with this course of action, and that we condemn such murder. Although the DemoRepublic of Geneticon disagrees with the ACLU... we also are against such killing, especially in public, against people who are just expressing their views.

Today, the world frowns upon Gilabad."

President Johnson turned and walked away.

"By what means do you justify your declaration of war? Do I not have the right to sovernty? This was an executive decission done by my administration. If you want to go to war over the rights of my people than by all means continue!"

-Warlord Shawhabas

Gilabad,
As the spokesman for the Orion Brigade, I am sending you this message to state the Orion Brigade's actions in response to the recent unjustices of your nation. The Orion Brigade has decided that we will:
A) Cut off trade with Gilabad
B) Ready ourselves and our allies to war with you and rescue your people for the sake of the freedoms that you protest against so strongly
and C) Begin an underground propoganda campaign in your country to inform the citizens you opress just what you are doing.

Fuck you,
Commandante Marcus Revenge

To: Gilabad
From: The American Privateer

We would like to congratulate your successful elimination of the threat to traditional values known as the ACLU.

We fully Support you in your actions

OOC: unless all members of the ACLU are members of another race, this is not genocide, this is extra judicial killing.

HEHEHE
:eek: = ACLU
:mp5: GSP

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :mp5:

The Liberal Republic of Minnechusettsfornia

As proponets of worldwide human rights, we officially condemn Gilabads actions against the members of the ICLU (International Civil Liberties Union). It is bad enough for a nation to attempt to quash the rights and voice of its citizens, it is entirely unnacceptable to treat them in such a manner for being members of a peaceful organization.

We have not yet declared war, however, we can justify it on the basis that you have repeatedly committed or threatened to commit acts of genocide, that you have repeatedly violated the UN resolutions that you should follow due to your membership in that organization, and that we'd be declaring war to remove a government that is severely violating the social contract. As for the right of soverignity, that right does not take precedence over the UN (if you are a member, which you currently are) and does not apply when the government oversteps its authority according to the social contract, which holds that governments are formed to protect citizens' natural rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Thank you, and please be reasonable.

Sincerely,
Timothy Kaine, Prime Minister of the Provisional Federal Parliamentary Republic of The Beltway

Genocide - the killing of all members of a group for being members in that particular group. Thus, ordering the deaths of all liberals is equivalent to a genocide.

OOC: what tech level are you all at, im FT, IF others are FT, then I am willing to commit my ful support behind Gilabad

(OOC: From where I'm sitting, jolt appears to have eaten my statement, so apologes if this is a double-post)

Liberal Republic of Minnechusettsfornia

As proponets of worldwide human rights, we officially condemn Gilabad for its treatment of ICLU (International Civil Liberties Union) members. For a nation to attempt to quash its citizens rights and speech is bad as it is, to murder them for being members of a peaceful organization is heinous. The point that Gilabad has outlawed such an organization does not help their case.
Too often in recent months we have seen autocratic nations get away with similar outrages after buckling under pressure and allowing 'guilty' parties to be accepted into other countries. This clealy is not providing enough incentive for such nations to even avoid gunning down their old citizens. We encourage Gilabad to release all ICLU members into our custody and that of other willing nations rather then commit mass-murder, however until the ban is lifted and native Gilibadian ICLU members are allowed to live safely in their own nation, consider any trading relations that may have existed between Gilabad and Minnechusettsfornia, or any companies that reside in either, terminated.

Signed
President Theodore Reynolds
Senate Leader Miles Alexander

To: All nations in Opposition of Gilabad
From: The American Privateer

These citizens had committed the crime of Insubordination, if Gilabad's laws allow such dispension of the law, then they are perfectly justified. Other wise it is an example of Extra-Judicial Killing, which, while wrong, is not anywhere near the crime of Genocide, please do not escolate a possible war by insinuating otherwise.

Fleet Admiral Jack Ray
Head of State
The American Privateer

MT, sorry.

We hereby state for the record the following:
1 - The Beltway does not desire warfare.
2 - The Beltway considers any killing of all members of a group for being members in that particular group to be a genocide. Thus, ordering the deaths of all liberals is equivalent to a genocide.
3 - Gilabad's government has stated that it desires the death of all liberals.
4 - The Beltway, among other nations, has presented the option of exile for the liberals of Gilabad.
Thank you.

Signed,
Timothy Kaine, PM

OOC: what tech level are you all at, im FT, IF others are FT, then I am willing to commit my ful support behind Gilabad
OOC: MT

OOC: unless all members of the ACLU are members of another race, this is not genocide, this is extra judicial killing.
*pop* Which is illegal under UN law - Freedom of Conscience.

IC: In our experience, advertising such actions has not always been conducive to harmonious foreign relations. We would advise the Gilabad government, should they continue such policies, to attempt to exert a degree of discretion, in order to avoid humanitarian intervention.

~Lori Jiffjeff
Legal Aide
Minister of Sandy Vaginas

OOC: is everyone willing to let in an FT nation that promises to not use any tech above a low PMT tech level?

i.e.: No starship, starfighters, etc. All ground forces relegated to using Assault Rifles and no super fancy SciFi weapons. (My Marine Corps uses high MT, very low PMT tech)

This is incase a war is declared

OOC: is everyone willing to let in an FT nation that promises to not use any tech above a low PMT tech level?

i.e.: No starship, starfighters, etc. All ground forces relegated to using Assault Rifles and no super fancy SciFi weapons. (My Marine Corps uses high MT, very low PMT tech)

This is incase a war is declared
OOC: What year is your nation in?

Official Message from the Office of the President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

It is with great sadness I am forced to come bfore the international stage once again to shoot down the religious fanatics who base their ignorant and racist agenda off a book of lies and fairy tells written by a group of drunken goat farmers.

Continuously liberal values of equality, freedom, and democracy are attacked by rednecks claiming 'traditional values' are 'at stake.' This is the most laughable excuse to commit mass genocide that I, as a former Mayor of a city used for a large amount of diplomacy between nations outside McKagan, have ever seen.

I do not understand how the international community came allow these thugs to scare and kill a peaceful population in this way. This is, however, not a call to war, or even a suggestion that military action may be applicable. This is, however, a call to all peace loving nations: Impose sanctions (if you see fit,) blockades, and heavy taxes upon all goods from Gilabad. Whereas we recognize Gilabad's right to sovereignty, we feel that other nations must recognize our right to exercise our freedom of speech (and thus, displeasure) with these actions.

Signed,
Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

To Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan -
We appreciate your support of our embargo. Furthermore, we apologize for any unintentional call for war on our part. Finally, we hope that, in the event that this crisis slips into a war, we will have your support. Thank you.
Sincerely,
PM Timothy Kaine

OOC: What year is your nation in?

we are about three hundred years removed from you, though we are not from "Here." An attempt to travel across our universe using tesseracts (the folding of space) landed us here, an alternate universe, where we have tried to stay out of the affairs of MT and PMT nations, only dealing with fellow FT nations, as we try to build up our navy and marine corps

To: PM Timothy Kaine
From: Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan
Subject: Gilabad

My statement that made clear that McKagan wasn't making a call for war wasn't directed at anything you have said or done. We simply do not wish to make everyone involved think that we've called for an escalation in the conflict when we haven't. Just like Gilabad has the right to make their own laws, we have the right to change our own taxes.

Signed,
Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

To President Robyn Cavalt -
We apologize; we understand that you did not imply that we were warmongerers. We had been accused of this, however, by other nations. The one comment I wish to make with regards to Gilabad's soverignity argument is that soverignity does not cover gross violations of the social contract and genocidal acts.
Sincerely,
PM Timothy Kaine

"As I will say again, I am not keeping these liberals in my country. They purposely came in to stir up controversey. I can tell you that rounding up the Gay people last time was a hastle because they didn't want to leave. It was a waste of resources, I am not going to force people to leave when they don't want to! If they want to die then so be it!"

-Warlord Shawhabas

aclu better stay outta my country as well:mp5:

(OOC: I've changed it to the ICLU (International Civil Liberties Union) as I was not aware that it existed)

"As I will say again, I am not keeping these liberals in my country. They purposely came in to stir up controversey. I can tell you that rounding up the Gay people last time was a hastle because they didn't want to leave. It was a waste of resources, I am not going to force people to leave when they don't want to! If they want to die then so be it!"

-Warlord Shawhabas
If you would be willing to, we could send troops to help get the liberals out.

I will put this to some consideration.

This just in, two days after the shooting of ICLU members, a rogue cell of ICLU members were caught attempting to smuggle molotove cocktails to throw at Warlord Shawhabas' Ferrarie. They were immediately detained and gunned down by the GSP. This is causing set-backs within the the administration.

Firstly, I condemn your actions. They are disgusting actions of an ignorant and insane government.
Secondly, I lauch at your actions. Please continue them. I will watch as you kill your population off slowly until you no longer exist. Only the foolish kill their own people because of their oppnions.

- Head of the State,
Feild Marshal Puabi Ninatuma

This just in, two days after the shooting of ICLU members, a rogue cell of ICLU members were caught attempting to smuggle molotove cocktails to throw at Warlord Shawhabas' Ferrarie. They were immediately detained and gunned down by the GSP. This is causing set-backs within the the administration.
While we will not condemn a nation for proctecting its leaders, we would like to ask why you cannot have due proccess? Even if you wish only vengeance on those who break the law, due proccess works, especially since life in prison can be considered a fate worst than death.

Classified: Heavily Scrambled Message to Follow
To: Gilabad
From: The American Privateer

We are willing to send in a Regiment of Marines to assist in the attacks on the ICLU. They can arrive very soon, please respond if interested.

OOC: I am not trying to Tech Wank, but this message is almost impossible to intercept and understand without multiple Terabytes of processing power to crack the message unless you have agents near the government headquarters.

Classified: Heavily Scrambled Message to Follow
To: Gilabad
From: The American Privateer

We are willing to send in a Regiment of Marines to assist in the attacks on the ICLU. They can arrive very soon, please respond if interested.

OOC: I am not trying to Tech Wank, but this message is almost impossible to intercept and understand without multiple Terabytes of processing power to crack the message unless you have agents near the government headquarters.
OOC: Your very presence is tech-wanking. Sorry, but having a FT nation interact with MT and PMT nations is a recipe for disaster unless done very caferly.

OOC: Your very presence is tech-wanking. Sorry, but having a FT nation interact with MT and PMT nations is a recipe for disaster unless done very caferly.

I am willing to work with everyone else to prevent any instance of Tech-Wanking, I have already made my proposal

Seeing as the ICLU is committed to peaceful protest in defence of civil liberties, that the government of Gilabad is opposed to the ICLU, and that the government of Gilabad has shown itself to be above the law, we believe that what the government of Gilabad claims, namely that members of the ICLU would attempt an attack. Therefore, we submit that the government of Gilabad has faked an attack in order to shoot ICLU members and discredit our organization.
-Anthony Romero, Chair of the ACLU and member of the ICLU

Whereas, due process is the cornerstone of the law,

Whereas, the rights of life and liberty are natural rights, and therefore may not be justly infringed upon by any government,

Whereas, there is reason to believe that the government of Gilabad has faked an assassination attempt for the purpose of discrediting the ICLU, a respected, peaceful political organization,

And whereas the government of Gilabad has ignored our diplomatic efforts,

Therefore, The Beltway strongly condemns the government of Gilabad, continues the embargo on that nation, and encourages other nations to join in this embargo.

Signed,
Timothy Kaine, Prime Minister of The Beltway

From: Pres. Tu-Hung Hi
To: PM Timothy Kaine, The Beltaway

As Members of the United Nations, We, the Government of the People's Republic of Hangup, endorse your actions wholeheartedly in placing an immediate trade embargo against Gilabad.

The actions of the Gilabad forces in completing such a pointless and destructive removal of human life bears much consequence to the rest of us. I will be raising an issue of this matter with the United Nations, and resolving that all member nations of the UN commit the same, by blocking all trade with the Gilabad nation until this issue can be resolved with them or they are prepared to enter meaningful discussion.

In the mean time, The People's Republic of Hangup enforces an immediate ban on all trade with the Gilabad nation, and any supporters and allies of this nation.

PM Kaine, you are ensured of the full support of the military services and armies of Hangup should this issue result in an assault against this nation.

Ktong h'uap thkuhulo gni... We stand by our word.

President Tu-Hung Hi
Leader of the People's Republic of Hangup

The Gilabad embassy has been taken down. All ambassadors hereby lose their rights of diplomatic immunity. One of them tried to resist the police in deportation, and is being held in a government prison. All ties with Gilabad have been severed, and trade with Gilabad is now illegal. If the Gilabad's wish to secure the release of the ambassador, they are obligated to cooperate with our demands, which are as follows:

(A) Resign from the UN.
(B) Let the liberals be deported to Quaon.
(C) Stop commiting genocide.

Until than, the ambassador will be held for assualt and resisting deportation charges.

The Beltway reiterates the demands of Quaon, and has authorized the activation of the four reserve divisions of CentCom in preparation for the possibility, however unfortunate it would be, of war.
-Foreign Office of The Beltway

The Federation government will militarily and economically support the nation and government of Gilabad if these outwordly biased liberal nations attempt a usurption of the govenment of Gilabad. The ICLU and ACLU have proven to resist all forms of conservative matters and are, at the least, a serious issue to government stability in conservative nations.

The Federation government will militarily and economically support the nation and government of Gilabad if these outwordly biased liberal nations attempt a usurption of the govenment of Gilabad. The ICLU and ACLU have proven to resist all forms of conservative matters and are, at the least, a serious issue to government stability in conservative nations.
Dealing with liberals and murdering them are very different things.

Dumb da dumb dumb DUUUUUMMBB!!!

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have seen here so far. Other than the regions dedicated to celebrating Nazism (which, by the way, the ACLU would defend).

Sovereignty does not allow for negligence of international law. Syndicalasian bombs of pure love rain down on Gilabad and its supporters. Your nations lay covered in downy pillows and a rainbow array of flowers (pretty gay, huh?).

:fluffle:

Dumb da dumb dumb DUUUUUMMBB!!!

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have seen here so far. Other than the regions dedicated to celebrating Nazism (which, by the way, the ACLU would defend).

Sovereignty does not allow for negligence of international law. Syndicalasian bombs of pure love rain down on Gilabad and its supporters. Your nations lay covered in downy pillows and a rainbow array of flowers (pretty gay, huh?).

:fluffle:
OOC: What is your point here...this certainly seems like an unrelated post...

Dumb da dumb dumb DUUUUUMMBB!!!

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have seen here so far. Other than the regions dedicated to celebrating Nazism (which, by the way, the ACLU would defend).

Sovereignty does not allow for negligence of international law. Syndicalasian bombs of pure love rain down on Gilabad and its supporters. Your nations lay covered in downy pillows and a rainbow array of flowers (pretty gay, huh?).

:fluffle:OOC: Please stop. This is godmoding and poor roleplaying. Some of us are actually interested in this RP, so please, stop with the godmoding.

[Open Message]


Message from the Office of the President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

It was never suggested and actually was denied quite a few times that military action was not an option on the side of freedom in this conflict. I clearly stated that McKagan, while leading the charge to reform Gilabad, would not accept outright, unprovoked military action as a way to end the situation. If a nation without cause attacks Gilabad, McKagan will go to defend the nation.

However; masking the situation behind a screen of whether or not military action is applicable isn't the issue. This issue is that a racist dictatorial regime is killing people for no reason and basing it on 'religion.' It's not right; and from a people who like to declare themselves the 'morality police,' cannot be accepted.

Signed,
Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

[Open Message]


Message from the Office of the President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

It was never suggested and actually was denied quite a few times that military action was not an option on the side of freedom in this conflict. I clearly stated that McKagan, while leading the charge to reform Gilabad, would not accept outright, unprovoked military action as a way to end the situation. If a nation without cause attacks Gilabad, McKagan will go to defend the nation.

However; masking the situation behind a screen of whether or not military action is applicable isn't the issue. This issue is that a racist dictatorial regime is killing people for no reason and basing it on 'religion.' It's not right; and from a people who like to declare themselves the 'morality police,' cannot be accepted.

Signed,
Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan
We would like to point out, that Gilabad has threatened military action against us multiple times. If they wish to continue negoitations, they should refrain from doing so.

[Open Message]

Message from the Office of the President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

It's a given now. I've declared that McKagan will retaliate against any military action undertaken against Gilabad even though we're 'against' them in this conflict. Because of this, I've also got to declare that any offensive action started by Gilabad will result in a full scale McKagan retaliation. McKagan will not allow this conflict to continue its destructive path of escalation. We urge all involved parties to begin working on a diplomatic solution.

McKagan hereby puts forth the following offer to all people in Gilabad: If you wish to leave the nation McKagan will pay for your life elsewhere. Either in McKagan, one of our colonies, or another accepting nation. This message goes not only to the liberals, but to anyone not happy with the current government.

We sincerely hope that the Gilabadian government accepts our offer and doesn't interfear with this proposal. If it does (accept,) McKagan will charter Avalt Security International (ASI) into flying several planes into the nation to retrieve all those persons wishing to leave.

Assuming this is accepted, any nation wishing to be put on the list of available places for these people to put relocated to should file with the McKagan State Department.

Signed,
Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

[open to all nations]

From President Tu-Hung Hi, P.R Hangup

Regrettably, the proposed Emergency resolution calling for sanctions in the form of trade embargos against Gilabad has been denied by the UN and decared Illegal. The Government of P.R Hangup are now seeking their expulsion for what we consider to be a grossly unfair act of massacre on innocent people.

No matter how these people's actions may impact on your nation's running, there are far better ways of dealing with people than murdering them. Try expelling them from your country next time.

Please note that also, We will support the armies of ANY nation given threat of military action by Gilabad in the light of our defiance against their actions.

Any military action effected against our nation, or any nation opposing Gilabad's actions will be met with an immediate retaliation by the National Forces & Command Operations Unit of the People's Republic of Hangup.

To the Government of Gilabad: Any form of threat or intimidation against those nations opposing you will result in us declaring military action against your nation, in conjunction with any other supporting nation or ally. You are advised to withdraw your threats of action and raise discussion of your actions. We will not enter meaningful discussion with any nation with such an appalling record of civilian massacre.

President Tu-Hung Hi,
PR Hangup

[open to all nations]

From President Tu-Hung Hi, P.R Hangup

Regrettably, the proposed Emergency resolution calling for sanctions in the form of trade embargos against Gilabad has been denied by the UN and decared Illegal. The issue of this disgraceful matter is being taken before the Pretenema panel, since Gilabad are members of the UN, and the Government of P.R Hangup are now seeking their expulsion for what we consider to be a grossly unfair act of massacre on innocent people.

No matter how these people's actions may impact on your nation's running, there are far better ways of dealing with people than murdering them. Try expelling them from your country next time.

President Tu-Hung Hi,
PR HangupOOC: You can't use the UN as a tool against nations. That's why it's illegal. We can continue to embargo them, though.

To Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan -
We maintain our offer to take in refugees from Gilabad; in the event that Gilabad's government does not interfere, we will be satisfied and consider this affair done. We hereby stand down our armed forces; however, our four activated reserve divisions will be participating in exercises. We hope that cooler heads will prevail.
Sincerely,
PM Timothy Kaine

(OOC: I don't think religion was ever brought up, unless I missed that bit, which is quite likely. Also, the ICLU isn't in RL, I made it up because Gilabad banning the American Civil Liberties Union didn't make a lot of sense.)

As we have stated previously, Minnechusettsfornia will also be upholding the embargo against Giliabad. We would like to point out that many conservative nations would protest these crimes being tied to their political philosophy. However, if you define 'conservative' this way, then your 'conservative' governments are destined to be unstable, as any nation treating its people in such a manner.

(OOC: I don't think religion was ever brought up, unless I missed that bit, which is quite likely. Also, the ICLU isn't in RL, I made it up because Gilabad banning the American Civil Liberties Union didn't make a lot of sense.)

As we have stated previously, Minnechusettsfornia will also be upholding the embargo against Giliabad. We would like to point out that many conservative nations would protest these crimes being tied to their political philosophy. However, if you define 'conservative' this way, then your 'conservative' governments are destined to be unstable, as any nation treating its people in such a manner.
It seems that the government of Minnechusettsfornia has misuderstood the meaning of a conservative government. It is simply that organizations such as the ICLU have defied at every attempt the values and truth of conservatism in governments in attempts to preserve their liberal agenda.

We would like to point out that many conservative nations would protest these crimes being tied to their political philosophy.

[Open Message]

The attached statement made by Minnechusettsfonia sums up exactly what McKagan has been trying to push for the duration of this conflict. It isn't about a war against religion, values, or morality itself. The fact is that if other conservatives believe they are given a bad name because of this incident they may feel upset towards a variety of targets. This sort of social disorder is untolerable especially when we see it coming and can easily stop it.

Signed,
Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

[Open Message]

The attached statement made by Minnechusettsfonia sums up exactly what McKagan has been trying to push for the duration of this conflict. It isn't about a war against religion, values, or morality itself. The fact is that if other conservatives believe they are given a bad name because of this incident they may feel upset towards a variety of targets. This sort of social disorder is untolerable especially when we see it coming and can easily stop it.

Signed,
Robyn Cavalt, President of the Democratic Imperium of McKagan

Agreed. Even if Gilabad did care about convservative issues, they would not kill these people, they would detain them.

We did detain them. Then we killed them. The ICLU would never support an opinion for pro Nazism. The ICLU supports everything liberal, and goes against everything conservative whether it's part of their rights or not. My nation isn't fascist. The ICLU has been declared a terrorist organization by the Gilabadian government a long time ago.

About the concern for Warlord Shawhabas' Ferrarie, the wax job would've been ruined. In Gilabad, a Ferrarie is worth more than a liberal's life!

We did detain them. Then we killed them. The ICLU would never support an opinion for pro Nazism. The ICLU supports everything liberal, and goes against everything conservative whether it's part of their rights or not. My nation isn't fascist. The ICLU has been declared a terrorist organization by the Gilabadian government a long time ago.
Again, I note that your ambassador is still being detained here. He is being interrogated by the member of the ICLU.

The ICLU does not support Naziism, but it has protected their right (in other nations) to hold that opinion on multiple counts. We can only conclude that Gilibad has deliberately distorted the facts on the ICLU to suit their own agenda.

The ICLU has been declared a terrorist organization by the Gilabadian government a long time ago.
So, a group that is committed to the civil liberties of citizens is declared to be a terrorist group? Sounds totalitarian to us...
My nation isn't fascist.
True; as far as is known, your nation is not run as an alliance between corporations and the state. But it is totalitarian, and refuses to guarantee its citizens the natural rights of life and liberty. Unless citizens are guaranteed due process, then executions in Gilabad are equivalent to murder.
The ICLU would never support an opinion for pro Nazism. The ICLU supports everything liberal, and goes against everything conservative whether it's part of their rights or not.
It is a common misconception that the ICLU is liberal. We are neither liberal nor conservative; we are simply citizens committed to the defence of civil liberties. We did, controversially, support the right of a neo-Nazi group in Illinois to hold a public demonstration.

Sincerely,
Anthony Romero, Chair of the ACLU, a member of the ICLU

Warlord Shawhabas prepared his suit for his speech conserning the ICLU in Gilabad. He fixed up his hair and went out. He shook the hand of his Chief of Staff and walked up to the podium.

"This is a glorious day for Gilabad! As the attempt by the ICLU to set my Ferrarie ablaze failed and in response to Quan's detainment of my embassy, I'm signing the "ICLU Extermination Bill". This allows each registered citizen to go out with his fellow Gilabadians in ICLU possies to eliminate the threat by these insects!"

The entire registered law abiding population of Gilabad (99.9%) went out with their firearms (mandatory by law) and their fellow Gilabadians and began massacring every ICLU member they knew about. Large bondfires began appearing in the streets which consisted of dead ICLU members bodies. Aided by the GSP, the citizens bag a total of 15,000 ICLU members.

To: Gilabad
From: Edward Benton, Forign Minister

While Animarnia whole heartadly condems your outright genocide, we will offer to buy these citizens off your nation for US$5000 each person and transport them to ours at our own expense, where they will be intergrated into our population rather than have them executed, we think both our nations would find this arangment acceptable?.

To all nations with a shred of humanity -
"This is a glorious day for Gilabad! As the attempt by the ICLU to set my Ferrarie ablaze failed and in response to Quan's detainment of my embassy, I'm signing the "ICLU Extermination Bill". This allows each registered citizen to go out with his fellow Gilabadians in ICLU possies to eliminate the threat by these insects!"

The entire registered law abiding population of Gilabad (99.9%) went out with their firearms (mandatory by law) and their fellow Gilabadians and began massacring every ICLU member they knew about. Large bondfires began appearing in the streets which consisted of dead ICLU members bodies. Aided by the GSP, the citizens bag a total of 15,000 ICLU members.
Condemn this action of Gilabad's government, place an embargo on Gilabad, and convince Gilabad to give up its genocidal policies. By the way, we believe the allegation that the ICLU attempted to burn the car of Gilabad's self-styled Warlord to be false.

Sincerely,
Timothy Kaine, Prime Minister of The Beltway

Gilabad

While I hate the ICLU and their Socialist agendas, there is a difference between judicial executions (which is what you claimed), and ordering that your population goes out and mass murders. Though it is not genocide, see the definition below, it is still against most human rights, my nation demands that you order your citizens to stand down.

(OOC: genocide; n : systematic killing of a racial or cultural group)

As a side note, genocide has a contested definition; I defined it to mean the murder (to rule out execution, after due process of law, of convicted criminals) or attempted murder of the members of a group due to their membership in that group. Now, a bit of politics...

--Press Release from John Warner '16--
It's obvious how we've gotten to the point of war with Gilabad. Gilabad was allowed to simply export its most hated citizens overseas, and we were complicit. We failed to force Gilabad to change its laws and to reform its police; thus, Gilabad felt it could get away with more. It's like what happened with North Korea; we let them get away with maintaining Yongbon in '94, and they followed up in '05, ignoring the IAEA entirely. What's needed is new, strong leadership for The Beltway; what's needed is John Warner in the White House. Vote John Warner for PM!
--End of Press Release--

Official statement of the International Alliance for Safety and Peace
Pax Nationstatea!

It seems that Gilabad has broken the International Unwritten Laws again. The IASP will not tolerate and will condemn any further action took by Gilabad and It's Secret Police. For Future cases, the IASP has offered to take refuge for all threatened ethnic groups in Gilabad. Further, The IASP has decided that it will embargo Gilabad, to prevent any further actions from Gilabad.

The IASP is seeking a peaceful solution in this, and is willing to receive all people on the list to be exterminated. All are welcome.

Oh, just one sidenote. It's Ferrari, not Ferrarie. I see Italian isn't your strongest point.

Grand Duke Koen van Luxemburg,
The Grand Duchy of Van Luxemburg,
Founder of the IASP.

"This was in response to Quan's detainment of my embassy workers! This is in no way, a "genocide"! The ICLU is not an ethnic group based on race or gender or a cultural organization. The Gilabadian government has declared it a terrorist organization. I am in no way going to sell out my citizens. Until all of the countries who have taken my embassy workers hostage stop, the killing will continue!"

-Warlord Shawhabas

To Gilabad's government-

You are committing genocidal acts by our definition in that you are murdering members of a group for the sole reason of their being members of a group. The ICLU is not a terrorist organization, and, even if it were, then policy should be to arrest and try members, not simply murder them on the streets. Further, you have failed to hold up your end of the social contract in that you have infringed upon many citizens' natural rights to life and liberty; therefore, you cannot be said to be representing your people. Please rescind your law ordering the genocide of ICLU members and publicly retract your statements inciting genocide against liberals, and then Quaon will be more willing to release your diplomatic staff, which it is currently investigating.

Signed,
Kostas Alexakis, Deputy Foreign Minister of The Beltway

--SECRET--
To Quaon -
You might want to put the Gilabad diplomats on trial soon; it would look better if we show Gilabad what due process actually means.
-Timothy Kaine, PM of The Beltway

After his warning being ignored, Warlord Shawhabas signed an expansion for the "ICLU Extermination Bill". This would allow a reward for every ICLU member killed and showed on public television. About noon today, the GSP lined up known ICLU members in the streets and tied them to cars while they poured gasoline all over them and then ignited it. On international television, the ICLU members can be seen screaming for help while they were incenerated alive, with thousands of Gilabadian citizens cheering.

I am shocked that a nation like Gilabad would have the balls to do what Hitler did not. you have stepped across the line Gilabad. Nazism will not be tollerated in even the darkest corners of the universe. This is your only warning.

No this is not Nazism. Nazism is a very specific kind of Fascism. Gilabad is a corporate police state.

You are slaughtering people in cruel and unusual ways, that along with your Facism, leads you to be Nazi's. I must warn you that if you don't cease and desist, your end will be swift

OOC - To be more accurate, Gilabad is probably just a run-of-the-mill genocidal fascist state; it is not Nazi unless it actually is led by Nazis, as opposed to ordinary genocidal totalitarian dictator-types. Call Gilabad's government fascist, genocidal, inhumane, brutal, and totalitarian; don't call Gilabad's government Nazi, as that's a charge it can refute.

To: Gilibad

From: Supreme General Khonsu

Re: You will stop this at once!

Text:

Stop this at once! These atrocities shall not be tolerated! Until then we will enact the following:

A. Any military vessel or aircraft we see shall be targeted and destroyed with EXTREME predjudice, the crew captured and tried.

B. ALL trade is cut off.

C. NO citizen will leave for Gilibad.

D. We will welcome refugees from Gilabad with open arms.

E. We will begin evacuating citizens from Gilibad secretly.

We hope that your opressive regime is crused soon.

-Khonsu

OOC: Maybe you could give me and other nations 48 hours to evacuate ACLU members and other citizens?

Pythogria - We proposed evacuation, multiple times, but it was rejected; still, any solution short of war that prevents further bloodshed is preferable.

Yes, bloodshed shall be avoided if at all possible, I assure you. Perhaps we could team up in this operation? Evacuate these people together? That would be easier by far. We have some bombers that could be slightly modified for transport. F16E's, we have 6

We'll lend you our Ninth Transport Wing, consisting of 12 C-17 and 9 C-130H, in order to help out in this airlift. Of course, this assumes that Gilabad's government accepts.

The F-16E isn't going to be able to carry more than one passenger; it's a modified F-16, after all. You may want to use ships to help carry refugees to safety.

OOC - To be more accurate, Gilabad is probably just a run-of-the-mill genocidal fascist state; it is not Nazi unless it actually is led by Nazis, as opposed to ordinary genocidal totalitarian dictator-types. Call Gilabad's government fascist, genocidal, inhumane, brutal, and totalitarian; don't call Gilabad's government Nazi, as that's a charge it can refute.

i guess you have a point

i was hoping by doing so i could get my people's blood to boil

OOC - And calling them genocidal and inhumane doesn't? We should only use labels that stick; any exagerration of the facts on our part will be seized upon by Gilabad's government.

OOC: considering the history of the Rogue State of Gilabad, I believe that it is best to ignore their threads and leave him to rot in his own dungeon of despair...Gilabad apparently likes to violate international convention, international law, human rights, and the basic principles of good morals...unless his morals are of the extremist brand, then he does a fine job at that...

OOC: I say we need to keep an eye on him, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

OOC: I say we need to keep an eye on him, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

while I would agree, Gilabad has this horrible tendency to pop up threads that say "my people have killed this many people! now fear me!!!" It seems to me that all he wants is attention as a real person...he doesn't care so much about the simulation part, because he does it to amuse himself; he laughs at you for being so cuddly-wuddly with "human rights", especially since they aren't even real people. if he could, he'd just nuke the world and laugh at people because they were crying out about his use of nuclear weapons, whether they actually did anything or not. In my opinion, Gilabad shouldnt be allowed this attention that he's been sanctioned through his various ploys of "ive killed these people, now do something about it..." to me, I see a selfish, insecure, control freak who desires to bend the world to his desires and finds such an escape on the Internet, where it is all in the realm of the fantastic, and he intends to corrupt it to his desires where he is all-powerful and likewise untouchable...

play with him all that you would like...he might give you refugees this day...next time, he'll kill some other people, and he'll give them away as refugees then...one time, he might disregard you guys and just kill off all of them, leaving you to quall with his atrocities...i don't know for certain, but i can guarantee that once you resolve this crisis, he'll find someone else to torture and thence cause up another stir.

perhaps i'm giving him his undeserved attention by writing this...i just feel that i should let people know about it and give them fair warning before i start completely ignoring him...

have a nice day :)

[btw, call god by some other names, like Allah, Yahweh, Brahman, and the such...if you want to play with him, might as well annoy him as much as he annoys you... :)]

OOC- Oh, I thought the F-16E was a large carpet bomber. Disregard that, I'll use
my Goliath ships. (We have two, and they can carry 2 armor brigades each. Lots of citizens.)

IC:

We accept your offer Beltway. We will get these people to safety if Gilibads accepts.

Prime Minister Quin Orbor walked into the room. It was an open room with a video conference chamber, made so surveliance was impossible. He turned on a video conference TV, and contacted the Beltway.

"Hello, friends. We have both dealt with the Rogue Nation of Gilabad for too long. I suggest we have the leaders killed. Quickly and quietly."

-Secret IC-
"Assassination?" Prime Minister Timothy Kaine said with an astonished look on his face, then continued, "We shouldn't stoop to that level; instead, we should be supporting pro-democracy movements - and insurgencies in general; it's hard to imagine something worse than the current government there - within Gilabad."

"Insurgencies lead to innocent deaths. I say we end it with the ones who are guilty of these horrible crimes."

"I must say, my already high respect for the nation of Gilabad has increased exponentially. Keep up the exceptional work."

--Generalissimo J.L.--

The Socialist Imperial State of MelekTaus warns all nations against Gilabad's actions that Gilabad spends over $20 trillion on defence. Most of you would end up squashed to be honest. Lets just use a barrage of I.G.N.O.R.E cannon on the actions to his own people, and move on. You can all protect the ACLU members in your own countries.

--Secret IC--
"Yet who will take power if we simply assassinate Gilabad's leadership? Besides, we should bring the guilty to justice in courts of law rather than simply shoot them dead in the street. We shouldn't stoop to Gilabad's level," Kaine replied.

Personally, I'm in favor of the suggestions of MelekTaus and Naktan. The last time around, Gilabad hadn't yet committed genocide, only brutal murders. This time around, Gilabad is killing off thousands of ICLU members. It is implausible in and of itself that they'd still be killing off ICLU members after all the massacres Gilabad posted.

(OOC:my people don't want to be evacuated with the exception of the ICLU, second, I have to say Naktan, you have quit an imagination...dream on)

"I am currently ceasing all killings for now. This is due to the vast desimation of the of the ICLU and to the large number of fatalaties."

-Warlord Shawhabas

So, will you allow us to evacuate ACLU members? Everything will be paid for by Pythogria.

"Yes, you will be able to come in with troops who will be strictly monitered to round up the ICLU members. All nations willing to take part in this are free to do it."

-Warlord Shawhabas

Quaon will be sending in troops.
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Conference Room With Beltway
"As you have just heard, Gilabad is sending troops into it's country. We could strike now, and end the Gilabad reign."

As I have said earlier, the troops will be strictly monitered. The troop level will be limited to 25,000 personnel.

-Warlord Shawhabas

I have some conditions that you must follow in order to send personnel into my country. Before I can allow you to come in, you must state that you accept these terms.

1: You will not bring back to your country any citizens but, the ICLU members.

2:You will not attack the law abiding citizens.

3:You will use your troops to get the ICLU members out, and not anything else.

To Gilabad -
We accept your offer, on the conditions we set forth here. We will deploy the Sixth Airborne Division, with 22,000 men, for a period of sixty days; those troops will be deployed for the sole purpose of safely escorting ICLU members out of the country. Any and all attacks on our troops will be treated as attacks on our nation, to be accounted for with a proportional response; however, we doubt that such events will occur, and hope that your police will arrest and detain any who attempt to attack our forces in-country. We will require the use of a base near your capital; it is to be considered our territory for the duration of our deployment, and, therefore, inviolable. Any crimes that our troops commit on your soil will be handled by our military police; you may report them to our MPs, but please do not arrest our troops.
Signed,
General Eric Shinseki, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of The Beltway

Secret; to Quaon -
Let time and friction do what it will; it would be impossibly difficult to accomplish a takeover with 50,000 troops, all being monitored. For that matter, such a move would be seen as unprovoked and would make it likely for us to be viewed negatively on the world stage.
-PM Kaine

Two Goliath Class Maritime Positioning Ships Deployed.

Later, Gilibad Capital City Harbor

"All members of ACLU, this is Admiral Petrarch, the Pythogrian Imperial Navy! We wish to evacuate all who wish to board!"

A soldier passed a back alley and saw two women huddled inside. He noticed the
wristband they wore. It read, "ACLU".

"No! Ahh! Don't shoot us!" one of them screamed.

Another soldier came around the corner. "Ron, what's going on?"

"I've found two ACLU members." Ron replied.

The ACLU members looked at the soldier's uniforms. They were Pythogrian.

"Here, we're evacuating all the ACLU who wish to come."

"...We're coming."

"Well then come on! We don't have much time!"

The two ships were full. Sailing back to Pythogris The capital, Admiral Petrarch watched the airplanes take off, completely full.

---Secret IC, to Quaon and Beltway---

So, how are your evacuation efforts? We've picked up a good 80,000.

Secret IC to Pythogoria -
Still waiting for authorization; we'll be sending in ground troops to cover more territory and thus evacuate more people.

Royal Communique

---------------------------

Once again, the High Kingdom of Atruria condemns the despicable actions of the government of Gilabad and the sickening methods of their minion thugs, cloaked safely under the name of the Gilabad Secret Police. While the High Kingdom, as a nation, and myself, do not agree with the practice of murdering an unborn child, we find Gilabad's actions even more sickening, if possible, than the above. Furthermore, under Royal Decree# 372, we now hereby open Atruria's borders to all Gilabadian citizens dissatisfied with their government's horrendous rule. This is the second time that we have caught the government of Gilabad committing genocidal crimes against its own citizens, innocent of any true crimes. Do not let there be a third.

His Imperial and Royal Majesty, Charles III, By the Grace of God, High King of All Atruria, King of Durenheim, Prince of Durenhall, Duke of Sanchony and Gastonia, Earl of Chestony and Jormannia, Margrave of Hartania and Villyn, Archduke of Amordal, Count of Dure and Hoch, Governor-Imperial of Isolond, Empereur D'Atruries, Ard Rhi ehn Adruryya, Head of the High Church of Atruriah, Grand Master of the Imperial and Royal Order of the Atrurian Empire and the and Chivalric Order of the Red Lion and of the Royal Order of Merit, Sovereign of the Distinguished Order of St. Ardhmael and of the Order of the Knights Hospital of Atruriah and of the Royal Order of the Legion Of Honor, Imperial-Prince of the Imperial Order of the Royal Family and of the Imperial Service Order, Grand-Cordon of the Holy and Imperial Order of the Strellic Falcon (Streleheim) and the Presidential Order of the Republic (Rhonesia) and of the Ducal Order of Sanct-Klaus (Nordpolia), Grand-Cross of the Legion of Merit (Rhonesia), Grand-Commander of the Holy Order of Saint William and of the Serene Order of Streleheim (Streleheim), Knight-Commander of the Honorable Order of St. Tiberius and of the Distinguished Order of the Isolondian Star, Knight-Companion of the Exalted Order of Isolond and of the Knightly Order of Sangrenio, Grand-Collar of the Imperial Roman Order of Romulus and Remus (Rhominia), First Admiral of the Royal Navy, War-King and Lord-Marshal of the Royal Army, First General of the Royal Air Force, Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Foreign Legion and the Royal Colonial Armed Forces, Imperial Commandant of the State Guard, Prince of the House of Lothar, Conquering Lion of the Tribes of Atruriah, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Emperor of the Isles, Defender of the Faith

Beltway, you have been approved. Pythagoria, you have been approved, but you must accept the terms of agreement. We have set up areas around the capitol where you may have temporary bases. Please feel free to use them.

It was a quiet morning where a group of 100 were meeting in a small abandoned house for their ICLU meeting. As the people began arriving, little did they know, that they were being watched by GSP snipers. As the meeting got under way, the GSP made their move. Nich, the GSP leutennant, threw a flashbang into the house momentarily stunning everybody inside. Six squads of GSP units came pouring in yelling "GET DOWN GET DOWN!". When they came in, all of the members hit the floor in panic, while one man who happened to have a stolen M-9 Beretta, squinted his eyes as he raised his firearm and began to sqeeze the trigger when 3 rounds from a UMP-45 ripped through his upper torso. He fell face down onto the floor. When he did so, the GSP members, out of anger used the butt of their weapons and beat the remaining detainees and gave them black eyes and broken bones. After the commotion was broken up, the detainees were then hand-cuffed and lined up against the wall where they were forced to put on marker bracelets that said "ICLU" on them. They were then thrown in the back of prisoner transport trucks and hauled off to the nearest GSP station where they were interrogated and questioned. After they had been given another beating, they were blindfolded and put on buses and headed for the Beltway base.

Warlord Shawhabas called for the liberation of the Gilabadian Embassy workers today, who were being held by multiple countries.

"I call on all of the nations who have taken captive my embassy workers, that you free them immediately, as I have allowed you to come into my country and bring back the ICLU members. I ask that you free them now or face executive action!"

-Warlord Shawhabas

"Here they come," Captain Abraham Masters said, standing in his command Hummer. "Twelve GSP personnel, bringing in ninety-nine ICLU members. Standing orders apply, everyone!"

Three buses slowly approached the compound. The gate opened, the buses entered, the gates closed, and the doors of the buses opened up. The ICLU members went out and rushed to the waiting Beltway troops; the buses prepared to leave. Then, one of the ICLU members shouted, "Don't let those murderers escape! They killed my brother, this very day!"

"Sir, what should we do?" Major Luis Nogales, an aide to Masters, asked. "We can't arrest them, can we?"

"Sure we can. The GSP acted to impede our mission; therefore, we have every right to arrest these men to determine who did this. Further, they may have killed that man within our base, and thus on Beltway soil," Masters replied.

A pair of UH-60 helicopters flew in; eight refugees that The Beltway's troops had found in hiding were aboard. Masters used the noise the choppers provided as cover, driving his Hummer up to where the buses were and signaling for the other twenty-nine of the company to do the same.

As soon as the vehicles had all arrived, he texted the men at the gate to keep it shut, then shouted, "All Gilabad Security Police personnel on these buses are hereby to be detained, in accordance with the laws of The Beltway. Please surrender peacefully; you're surrounded, outnumbered, and outgunned. Besides, this should be settled quickly."

OOC: Don't have time for a legnthy post, but Embassy Workers are released, and we take some ICLU members.

The GSP on the buses were puzzled at the Beltway's actions. Leutennant Rick savage got on his radio and called the GSP HQ. They immediately assured the leutennant that help was on the way and the 4th tank division was on its way. Then he radioed the Beltway forces who were opposing him. "Excuse me, but I'm not sure that I understand your commands, we came to escort the ICLU members into your custody, your trying to get us to surrendor, am I correct over?"

The 4th tank division was on its way with 2000 M12 "Battlefortress" tanks. Also the "Alpha Force" special forces detatchment had been alerted and was sending six squads via Huey gunship. In the meantime, 400 GSP personnel were loaded onto Humvees and immediately headed toward the puzzled units with the buses.

To: Gilabad

The Community of Dar-es-Salaam has been watching this growing crisis with deep hopes for a quick resolve that will not involve gathering the forces of the world together in open warfare. The Head of the Community has been praying to the undisclosed divine presence for a peaceful solution. While the Head wishes to respect another nations actions within their own border, the Head also wishes to relate onto the nation of Gilabad that should actions as theirs cast doubt as to wither they still follow the path of the undisclosed divine presence. As the Head believes to be the case, We offer refuge to the cizitens of the nation of Gilabad who are being attacked. We believe that all creature are an expression of the Divine will, and that war is sometimes needed to maintain the worlds foot steps on the path of the undisclosed divine presence. So We the Community of Dar-es-Salaam call once again for an non-voilent solution to theses problems..If it can not be solved in a peaceful manner.. We of the Community of Dar-es-Salaam will make available our military resources, and will happy provide refuge space to all displaced cizitens of the nation of Gilabad for the duration of the war.

Sinicerly,
The Supreme Head,
Earthly Vessel of the Undisclosed Divine Presence

OOC: Base set up.

IC: Gilibad, we'll continue our evacuation efforts for two weeks. My ships will continue to make trips. All evacuated people will be made Pythogrian citizens, with full privleges and rights.

"To be exact, you're being detained as material witnesses to a possible murder charge," Captain Masters replied.

The General had already received a report from a helicopter on a routine recon run that the Gilabad military was mobilizing and heading for the base. He sent out orders to mine the entrances and radio the Gilabad government. Diplomacy and preparation should work...

Meanwhile, the C-17s that had been loaded with refugees prepared for takeoff. The wing of F-35 aircraft prepped for launch. The base mobilized and prepared for a possible engagement; ATGMs were set up along the walls, the aforementioned mines were laid, tanks moved up, helicopters loaded and prepped for battle - a battle they didn't really want.

I'm hoping this turns into more of tense negotiations leading to the 6th division's being forced to leave, rather than all-out warfare. We haven't even shot anyone, and want to keep it that way; besides, I may need those troops elsewhere.

This is King Niall O'Neill
We are offering our assistance in the attemptt to free members of the ICLU

"Hmm... something's going on over there." Sgt. Perry said.

"Private! Tell Khonsu about this."

"Yes sir!"

---Imperial Palace---

"WHAT?" Khonsu thundered.

"Yes, Majesty. Gilibad's military is closing in on Beltway."

"Keep the troops there. Tell Gilibad that if they come to any harm, he will find a lot of bombs in his capital the next day, and a lot of torps in his ships."

"Yes, Majesty."

"Dont call me "Majesty". I'm no king."

"Yes, your M-- or, I mean, um..."

"Just call me "sir"."

"Yes sir."

OOC - Gilabad, here's the layout of the base:
Pentagonal; two entrances, each off of two of the upper points of the pentagon. Each entrance has two roadblocks; mines have been laid between the second roadblocks and the gates.
Walls are concrete, about 4" thick, and low enough for M1A2 tanks to fire over.
Runways are to the rear; barracks are located in the center.
AD batteries (four Patriot launchers, 21 Linebacker vehicles) are located throughout the base.

As the 4th Tank division got within sight of the Beltway base, they were ordered to hold their position as they surrounded the base and cut all ground escape off. The 400 GSP personnel assisted by setting up road blocks around the base. Meanwhile, 35 F-22 Raptors were mobilized and were armed with JDAM 5000 Lbs. bunker busting bombs and were going to be used for CAP cover. While the F-22s were on their way, a division of M1096 PAladins got in position with the M-12s and aimed their guns at the base. 50 Avenger vehicles were set up to shoot down any aircraft that were going to take off. The entire force waited for the Gilabad Electric Service to shut down the electricity for the base. In the meantime, the GSP in the buses held their ground.

"This is a clear violation of the agreement Beltway!" the leutennant yelled

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Meanwhile...

"This is the Gilabad Electric Service to the Gilabadian military, do you hear me over"

"Uh roger that Gilabad Electric, you are cleared for the power cut over"

"Roger that, cutting power in 3.....2......1....NOW!"

"Gilabad, we are within our rights to investigate crimes that may have been committed on our base. Now, if you'll leave us be, that would be much appreciated," The General of the 6th Airborne replied over radio. Although the power had been cut, the generators had come on fine.

Above the base, thirty-six AH-64 helicopters, which had just taken off, hovered. The engines of the C-17s were engaged, and non-combat troops loaded aboard. The 72 F-35s had lifted off and were currently flying in small circles over the base, readying their cannon and missiles to shoot at the tanks and artillery.

Inside the gates, Captain Masters waited with a squad of MPs, who were preparing to fire tear gas grenades at the buses. He suddenly shouted a question: "Did anyone get shot on your buses?"

The Abrams tanks deployed around the base waited, shells loaded, crews tense. A few men nervously bit into MREs as it neared lunchtime.

Elsewhere, two MH-60 helicopters touched down near the deserted Gilabad army base for the 4th Armored Division to search for ICLU members imprisoned at the base. Twenty Beltway troops stepped off the choppers and began to search.

Finally, the Second Battle Group of The Beltway, with the First and Second Marine Brigades aboard, has been ordered to deploy just outside Gilabad waters; it will arrive in four days.

Any base is likely to have emergency generators. Further, we aren't trying a ground escape; why would we lay mines if that were the case?

As the AH-64 helicopters were immediately spotted by ground forces, All of the Avenger systems locked on to the choppers launching a total of 100 missiles at the choppers circling the enemy base. After they fired, they quickly accquired the F-35s who were in clear visibility circling the base and fired another burst of a total of 100 missiles at them. The order was given for the Paladins to fire. They quickly aimed their 155 m.m. howitzers and began an artillery barage. As the armoured formation was out of range of the Abrahms 120m.m. gun, the howitzers were in clear shooting range of the base. The F-22 Raptors seeing the fray beginning to unfold, moved into action arming their sidewinder missiles and engaging the enemy F-35s. Each aircraft fired 1 missile at the enemy F-35s making a total of 135 missiles heading toward them.

Meanwhile at the base, the "Alpha Force" special forces were waiting there for further orders from high command. They immediately saw the incomming choppers and while 1 squad raised their stinger missile launchers and fired, the rest took up defensive positions and engaged the incomming troops. Then the local MPs hearing the shooting came running to aid the special forces.

I'm really tempted to ignore your last post. We haven't even started shooting, and our planes and choppers are over our territory. But if you really, truly want war, well...

"They've said nothing. Gas 'em, load 'em, and get ready to go," Masters ordered. The MPs fired their tear gas grenades at the buses, then, with gas masks on, rushed the vomiting GSP men.

Artillery shells began to shoot into the compound; the Airborne Division's howitzers fired back, with some 36 105mm shells fired, in the first barrage, by radar, at enemy targets.

The F-35s climbed to avoid the Avengers' Stingers and the Raptors' Sidewinders. Ten were too slow, and crashed to earth; four pilots died, but the other six survived, although injured and ejected outside the compound. The surviving fighters launched their laser-guided bombs at the tanks outside, firing off chaff and flares to throw off enemy missiles, including the second batch of Stingers fired at them.

The helicopters were less lucky at avoiding the Stingers; twenty-two were badly hit, while two more were damaged. The survivors began engaging the enemy tanks, although one used its cannon on hostile artillery brought too close to the walls.

The AD batteries targeted the enemy aircraft; sixteen Patriot missiles were launched. The crews then began the process of getting the launchers reloaded. Meanwhile, the C-17s launched under the cover of flares and chaff shot out from the fighters.

At the walls, the 208 tanks of the division prepared to start firing off sabot rounds at their opposite numbers approaching the walls, and the ATGMs began firing off at the artillery and AD vehicles. The General called out by radio on all channels: "The Beltway's base is under unprovoked attack! Please send any assistance you can."

You're shooting at landed choppers?

Stinger SAMs fired out at the landed choppers; however, neither missile properly armed, so no damage was done. The Airborne troops ducked back and returned fire. Four were wounded; one dead. Sergeant Walter Wilcox, who commanded the force, shouted, "What are you doing! We aren't enemies; we've come to take a look around, in accordance with your agreement."

Finally, Foreign Minister Mark Warner released a statement asking for help from any other nations.

(OOC: It's probably a mimick of the PETA protests threads that have come up recently.)
PETA?? You mean People for the Eating of Tastey Animals?

OOC - We might as well start a new thread for this and leave this as the OOC thread.

OOC- Yes. I'll help in this war.

I'm really tempted to ignore your last post. We haven't even started shooting, and our planes and choppers are over our territory. But if you really, truly want war, well...

"They've said nothing. Gas 'em, load 'em, and get ready to go," Masters ordered. The MPs fired their tear gas grenades at the buses, then, with gas masks on, rushed the vomiting GSP men.

Artillery shells began to shoot into the compound; the Airborne Division's howitzers fired back, with some 36 105mm shells fired, in the first barrage, by radar, at enemy targets.

The F-35s climbed to avoid the Avengers' Stingers and the Raptors' Sidewinders. Ten were too slow, and crashed to earth; four pilots died, but the other six survived, although injured and ejected outside the compound. The surviving fighters launched their laser-guided bombs at the tanks outside, firing off chaff and flares to throw off enemy missiles, including the second batch of Stingers fired at them.

The helicopters were less lucky at avoiding the Stingers; twenty-two were badly hit, while two more were damaged. The survivors began engaging the enemy tanks, although one used its cannon on hostile artillery brought too close to the walls.

The AD batteries targeted the enemy aircraft; sixteen Patriot missiles were launched. The crews then began the process of getting the launchers reloaded. Meanwhile, the C-17s launched under the cover of flares and chaff shot out from the fighters.

At the walls, the 208 tanks of the division prepared to start firing off sabot rounds at their opposite numbers approaching the walls, and the ATGMs began firing off at the artillery and AD vehicles. The General called out by radio on all channels: "The Beltway's base is under unprovoked attack! Please send any assistance you can."

You're shooting at landed choppers?

Stinger SAMs fired out at the landed choppers; however, neither missile properly armed, so no damage was done. The Airborne troops ducked back and returned fire. Four were wounded; one dead. Sergeant Walter Wilcox, who commanded the force, shouted, "What are you doing! We aren't enemies; we've come to take a look around, in accordance with your agreement."

Finally, Foreign Minister Mark Warner released a statement asking for help from any other nations.

You have violated the rules of agreement. You attempted to take my GSP units into custody while they were trying to transport "refugees" to you! You have brought this upon yourself!

-Warlord Shawhabas

OOC - For slower, larger, lower-altitude targets (fighter plane, cruise missile, etc) the PAC-3 has a small explosive warhead to enhance lethality of the kinetic warhead. The PAC-3 is much more accurate than the previous Patriots, and is capable of hit-to-kill on theater ballistic missiles. The effective range is around 60 km.
By the way, the question was shouted at Alpha Team commandos at the Fourth Division base, not at your Warlord, in reference to their shooting at Airborne troopers landing at the base.

I'm gonna go ahead and use this as the OOC thread. Here's a listing of the forces I'm putting in (for my reference and yours). Secret IC etc etc.

20th Airborne Division (Light)
240X C-130J Hercules
96X C-5B Galaxy
120X M-8 Buford
1,500X HMMWV Up Armor Version
96X A-1 PAC-RAT Armored Personnel Carrier
48X Impact MLRS
120X MH-60K Black Hawk Helicopter
96X Zenith X-20 Helicopter
24X M2001 Crusader

Personnel:
Infantry: 35,479
Logistics: 15,489

24th Cavalry Division
492X T-7 Gilgamesh MBT
264X T-5 Lightning MBT
2,500 HMMVW Up Armor Version
196X Zenith X-20 Helicopter
144X RAH-66 Comanche
96X MH-60L Black Hawk
60X OH-58D Kiowa Warrior
144X Bull Warrior Fighting Vehicle
288X A-1 PAC-RAT Armored Personnel Carrier
72X Impact MLRS
96X M2001 Crusader

Personnel:
Infantry: 15,486
Armor Crew: 6,352
Pilots: 752
Logistics: 21,481

31st Marine Division
1,500 HMMVW Up Armor Version
300X LAV-28
288X AM-158 Amphibious Assault Vehicle
192X M-5A1 Stryker
72X Impact MLRS
72X M2001 Crusader
72X M-8 Buford Armored Gun
192X Zenith X-20 Helicopter
144X RAH-66 Comanche
120X SH-60B Sea Hawk
96X CH-53E Super Stallion
72X MV-22 Osprey
36X MV-24 Peregrine Escort Aircraft

Personnel:
Marines: 25,486
Armor Crew: 9,485
Pilots: 786
Logistics: 24,059

That seems like it for now. I can't seem to find the original thread where Crookfur debuted the T-7. I'll dig around for it.

I'm probably going to post the majority of the combat tomorrow to allow all my forces to get to Gilabad and stuff.

Edit: Well that was easy. Here's (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/vehicles.html) the stuff on the T-7. We modified it to use hydrogen fuel cells and added and additional inch of lanthanide anhydride armor, along with some EMP shielding. The rest of the info on the tech I use can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463913).

6th Airborne Division comprises three brigades:
First and Third Brigades (Infantry)
Two infantry regiments, one armored regiment
Second Brigade (Armored)
One infantry regiment, two armored regiments

Squad: 11 men
Platoon: 36 men (3 squads and HQ) or 4 tanks
Company: 120 men (3 platoons and HQ) or 13 tanks (one command tank)
Battalion: 660 men (4 companies, HQ, one engineer company) or 52 tanks (four companies)
Regiment: 2,250 men (two infantry battalions, one tank battalion, HQ, three artillery batteries (three guns per battery), support units; two tank battalions and one infantry battalion for armored regiments)
Brigade: 7,000 men (two infantry regiments, one armored regiment, HQ, support units; two tank and one infantry regiment for armored brigades)

Support units consist of AH-64s, MPs, cooks, medics, etc. Artillery weapons used are M119 105mm howitzers; tanks used are M1A2 Abrams tanks; troops are carried in MH-60 or UH-60 helicopters.
Each squad has two M240G machine guns and nine M4 assault rifles.
Each platoon has a Javelin ATGM and a Stinger SAM.

OOC: Is this RP open?

Yes, go to the "Beltway-Gilibad Conflict" thread, and please fight on our side. DO you have an army to fight with?

Well, Warlord Shawhabas has just pissed off the Count. Here are some links.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10500825&postcount=59 = Post that pissed him off

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10500867&postcount=60 = My post

So…I ask all side, that can I use both Count JWolf’s vampire powers and his mutant powers to attack the Warlord? If not his mutant powers, I will use his vampire powers because he is vampire. That is you allow me to hunt the Warlord.

If you don't know the Count's powers, use this OOC to see what they are. Count JWolf (http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5993/countjwolf6xn.jpg): Manipulate magnetic currents to gain total control over all forms of electromagnetism, allowing him to levitate and manipulate all objects made of metal, project concussive blasts and force fields, selectively generate heat and electricity, manipulate bloodflow to the brain to cause aneurysms or unconsciousness, and increase his power to absorb cold and electricity

Sorry, but I'd rather rule out vampires and other fantasy/horror. Just not the way I rp.

Well, I could have ended it all for you. So have fun with trying to kill the Warlord without me. Maybe my last letter just put a lot fear into the Warlord. And maybe he will kill himself.

Is there a timeline for when the IC time is passing? I'm just wondering so I don't keep constantly checking this thread to see if it's alright for me to start.

We are currently at dusk (about 5:20 PM, if everyone doesn't mind) on the first day. We'll assume that the declarations of war against Gilabad (again if everyone doesn't mind) came at 3:18 PM.

Sounds good. I'll check back in a day or so.

Timeline accepted!

Gilabad, forgot to mention that you should include an encounter between your reinforcements and Pythogria's troops in your next post; Pythogria posted, to which you did not object at the time, that there were 25,000 troops in Gilabad at the start of the war.

Any chance I could get involved in this? My nation hasn't had alot to do recently, and various prominent members of public institutions have inquired as to the need for spending large amounts of money on national defense if we never get involved in some sort of conflict...etc, etc. I'd rather not get large forces involved, though I wouldn't mind conducting some sort of aerial attack.

:sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5::gundge: :headbang:

OK, after Chevy Rocks, I think we need to close the admitions for the Beltways side as of right now I have no allies.

Gilabad, you declared war; you pay the consequences. Besides, you have the advantage of time on your side; lay down the best defences you can, and you'll be fine. Please include the encounter with Pythogria.

Alright fine.

I'd like the base to fall; however, here's what will happen, if you agree: First, both sides' air forces are essentially wiped out by the various strikes. Second, your tanks are slowed down by the mines. Third, we load up the other 12 C-17s (sorry I didn't mention them earlier; however, they're the other ones in the transport wing I was using) in the extra time we have with whoever we can, including Englehorn and Masters, but not including The General (who commands the 6th Airborne and stays behind), Major Nogales (who gets captured from his foxhole), or the GSP officers. Fourth, you slowly penetrate the base, using the breaches made in the walls. You lose more tanks to my C4, to ATGMs, and to my surviving tanks, who form a cordon around the C-17s. Finally, we take off; your planes come to intercept, but Pythogria's planes come in and prevent a proper interception. We lose six of our C-17s, all of our heavy equipment (along with much of the rest of our equipment), and about 15,000 men (dead, wounded, captured, or missing). Perhaps we shouldn't rp the rest of the battle? After all, the more interesting part will come when everyone, including Azazia, is able to participate.

To all nations involved: This is what Gilabad and myself agreed to - it's about the most successful outcome I could get without other forces being able to make it in time (within 3-6 hours; Pythogria's the only one that's even close). We've decided that we need to ensure that everyone's on the same page before we start up again. Further, should we set up another thread for the rp of the base?

To Pythogria - How's this: Your ships are home in your country, with the refugees offloaded and with the troops back in their bases, just over one day's sailing from Gilabad. Your aircraft manage to save some of us at the tail end of the battle.

So we're still expecting 3-6 IC hours before all of our troops arrive?

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Stop being a noob.

Here's how I intend it; if anyone objects, then we'll change it. Essentially, the Sixth Airborne gets beaten, but manages to escape with about a quarter to a third of the men - although without any military equipment. The war becomes fairly quiet until about three days in (when most nations' fleets have arrived). I'll rp the end of the Sixth's battle with Gilabad; we'll, in the meantime, plan out our plans for the war with Gilabad here or on some other thread. We'll start up the main rp again once we've made our (to be regarded as secret) plans.

To Gilabad - Please post a map of your nation, along with any information that it would be plausible for us to know ICly. Further, you'll post your own (to be regarded as secret) plans for the defence of your nation on this thread.

Sounds fine to me.

Pythogria posted these two maps in the main thread:

http://www.maj.com/gallery/awimager/Extraz/evacbasewar.bmp
http://www.maj.com/gallery/awimager/Extraz/seabattlemap.bmp

I like the second one better.

The following is secret IC
Well if you wanna just finish up the 6th's involvement I'll RP my armor and airborne troops moving out (probably some more if you don't mind) and get those guys loaded onto boats and shipped out.

My two fleets are approaching Gilabad now. The first is the heavy hitter with almost 900 planes and something like 20,000 missiles ready to fire. I'll fire off a couple thousand missiles and hit Gilabad with air fire and sub attacks. I've also got a bunch of BB's and SD's that can use big guns and stuff. Hopefully that'll knock out enought of Gilabad's fleet so I can land Marines.

Then I can move in the second fleet I've got heading there as well. That one has a Marine division ready to ship out on the landing ships. After we secure a tract of land I can drop in some paras and then take a port to land my heavy armor. After that, it should be easy.

Edit: Done. Here's an updated force projection.

4th Infantry Corps

10th Infantry Division (Light)
3,000X HMMWV Up Armor Version
36X RAH-66 Comanche Attack Helicopter
24X MH-60L Black Hawk Helicopter
12X MV-22 Osprey
6X MV-24 PeregrineEscort Aircraft
72X Bull Warrior Fighting Vehicle
96X M-5A1 Stryker
48X A-1 PAC-RAT Armored Personnel Carrier
36X Impact MLRS
72X M2001 Crusader
36X M-8 Buford

Personnel:
Infantry: 6,819
Armor Crew: 3,448
Pilots: 125
Logistics: 15,089

11th Infantry Division (Mechanized)
396X Bull Warrior Fighting Vehicle
456X A-1 PAC-RAT Armored Personnel Carrier
144X AH-64D Apache Attack Helicopter
120X Zenith X-20 Helicopter
196X MH-60L Black Hawk Helicopter
1,200 HMMWV Up Armor Version
72X Impact MLRS
120X M2001 Crusader
144X Tiger MBT
96X T-5 Lightning MBT

Personnel:
Infantry: 20,492
Armor Crew: 10,849
Pilots: 467
Logistics: 24,483

12th Infantry Division (Mechanized)
396X Bull Warrior Fighting Vehicle
456X A-1 PAC-RAT Armored Personnel Carrier
144X AH-64D Apache Attack Helicopter
120X Zenith X-20 Helicopter
196X MH-60L Black Hawk Helicopter
1,200 HMMWV Up Armor Version
72X Impact MLRS
120X M2001 Crusader
144X Tiger MBT
96X T-5 Lightning MBT

Personnel:
Infantry: 20,492
Armor Crew: 10,849
Pilots: 467
Logistics: 24,483

Standard Troop Armament:

T-51x Advanced Power Amor
M-8 Assault Rifle
Sig Sauer P226 Pistol
6X M-67 Fragmentation Grenade
Troop Kit (Canteen, Rations, etc)
Combat Knife
Spade

Gilabad, want to rp your rebels as well as your troops, or should I? I'm intending that a group of rebels discover my airborne troops. If you'd rather not have rebels, then reply here. Further, a summary of your losses, posted as a secret IC document on this thread would be useful; I intend to create an nswiki article on the war once we're done.

Our fleet (which arrived in the 72 hours between Lost Hills activating Whiskey-One and Whiskey-Two and their arrival off the shores of Gilabad; they are operating with Lost Hills's navy) consists of:
First Battle Group:
CVN-68 Nimitz - Nimitz class - 36 F-35B JSFs, six E-2C Hawkeye AWACS aircraft, twelve F-14B recon/fighter planes, eight EA-6B EW aircraft, twelve S-3B strike planes
BB-90 Columbia - Elusive class
CG-62 Chancellorsville - Ticonderoga class
CGN-3 Yorktown - Kugler class
DDG-55 Stout - Arleigh Burke class
DDG-104 Sterett - Arleigh Burke class
DD-21 Chuck Robb - Rothsky class
FFG-23 Lewis B. Puller - Oliver Hazard Perry class
FFG-59 Kauffman - OHP class
SSN-22 Towson (ex-Connecticut) - Seawolf class
SSK-5 Charles Holliday - Tennessee class
SSK-6 Robert J. Stevens - Amur class
SSN-704 Baltimore - Los Angeles class
SSN-760 Annapolis - Los Angeles class
MCM-1 Avenger - Avenger class
MHC-2 Sweeper - Frankenthal class
AOE-1 Supply - Supply class
AH-1 Florence Nightengale - Nightengale class

Second Battle Group:
CVH-1 Hornet - Hornet class; 40 F-35B
LHD-1 Wasp - Wasp class
BB-88 Delaware - Delaware class
CGN-2 Virginia - Baltimore Shipyards version of the Virginia class CGN
DDG-3 Francis Scott Key - Arleigh Burke class
DDG-4 Frederick Douglass - Alreigh Burke class
FFG-3 John Hanson - Halifax-class FFG
SSN-774 Carlos Gutierrez - Virginia class SSN
SSK-1 Thad Cochrane - Amur class
SSK-2 David Jeremiah - Amur class
SSK-4 Michael Mullen - Tennessee class
SSGN-2 John Smith - Ohio class SSGN
MHC-3 Algonquin - Huron class
MHC-4 Goaltender - Landsort class
MHC-5 Hunt - Hunt class
AOE-2 Arctic - Supply class
AH-2 Clara Barton - Nightengale class
For further information on the Nightengale, Tennessee, Amur, Virginia (Baltimore Shipyards CGN version), Delaware, Hornet, Elusive, Kugler, and Rothsky classes, see the following links:
Baltimore Shipyards (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464764)
Pudite Military Arms Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435395)
Kriegzimmer's Elusive-class BB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8656294&postcount=98)
Laksevag Naval Shipyards (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451402)

Other Beltway forces in the area, 72 hours into the conflict:
First (Fighter) Wing:
72 F-35

Second (Fighter) Wing:
72 F-35

Third (Composite) Wing:
12 Ni-34 Fighters
6 No-34 Fighter-Bombers
6 Nu-38C Fighters
12 No-27 CAS aircraft
24 Na-24B Fighter-Bombers
12 ASI-88 Fighters

Fourth (Composite) Wing:
6 Na-24A Fighters
24 Ni-35 Fighters
12 F-19 Fighters
2 Ha-344 Bombers
12 Seagull Fighters
6 Nu-38D EW aircraft
2 Ku-47 Tankers

Fifth (Bomber) Wing:
72 F-117A
3 KC-10

Sixth (Strike) Wing:
24 F/A-18E
24 A-10A
8 AC-130U Spectre
3 AC-130H Spectre

Seventh (Bomber) Wing:
24 B-52H
12 B-1B
3 KC-10

Ninth (Transport) Wing:
12 C-17
9 C-130H

Tenth (PsyOps) Wing:
18 EC-130 Commando Solo

Eleventh (Support) Wing:
6 E-8 J-STARS
9 E-3 Sentry
12 F/A-18G Growler

Twelfth (Transport) Wing:
20 C-17

Thirteenth (Fighter) Wing:
50 F-35A
2 KC-10 Extenders

28th Reserve Mechanized Infantry Division - One Mech Inf Brigade, one armored brigade (equipped with Tiger MBTs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9591658&postcount=397)) (airlifted over the last three days; one mech inf brigade will arrive in thirty-six hours)
6th Airborne Division - One effective regiment (2,000 men), less all tanks, support vehicles (other than Hummers), and artillery (other than one M119); further, one light infantry regiment (volunteers from a nation officially uninvolved in the conflict. One thousand five hundred (1,500) men: four M1087 Expandable Vans for regimental and battalion HQs, four Avenger AD vehicles for regimental AD, four M270 MLRS for regimental artillery, one M981 FIST Vehicle attached to regimental artillery, nine M998 Hummers w/ M2HB MG for the MP platoon, one M104 Wolverine for bridge-laying, 216 M249 SAW MGs, 1,080 AK132 assault rifles that use 5.56 x 45mm NATO standard, 324 M203 grenade launchers, 96 MP-5 SMGs, 129 FN P90 personal defence weapons for drivers and other crews, thirty Javelin ATGMs, thirty FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS weapons, five Genesis sniper rifles, 1,500 M9 Beretta pistols, 1,500 sets of uniforms and armor for the regiment, and five Ghillie suits for the snipers)

Note that one squad is carried aboard two M2A2 Bradley IFVs (or M3A2 Bradley IFVs in armored units); however, airborne troops use MH-60s instead. Further, support units include light AD (M6 Linebacker), heavy AD (Patriot w/ PAC-3 and PAC-2 SAMs), MP (with M1114 heavy Hummers), Medical (HH-60F (one battalion within medical regiments) and M998 Hummer ambulances), and Signals/HQ (Bradley Battle Command Vehicles, along with Hummers) companies/battalions/regiments (one per unit; regiment/brigade/division, respectively), along with 36 AH-64s. Artillery uses M109A6 (or M119 for airborne troops). Each squad has two M240G machine guns and nine M4 assault rifles; each platoon has a Javelin ATGM and a Stinger SAM.
Squad: 11 men
Platoon: 36 men (3 squads and HQ) or 4 tanks
Company: 120 men (3 platoons and HQ) or 13 tanks (one command tank)
Battalion: 660 men (4 companies, HQ, one engineer company) or 52 tanks (four companies)
Regiment: 2,250 men (two infantry battalions, one tank battalion, HQ, three artillery batteries (three guns per battery), support units; two tank battalions and one infantry battalion for armored regiments)
Brigade: 7,000 men (two infantry regiments, one armored regiment, HQ, support units; two tank and one infantry regiment for armored brigades)
Division: 22,000 men (two infantry and one armored brigade, HQ, support units; two tank and one infantry for armored division)

For non-RL aircraft, see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449826) and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440478).

Alright I'm not too sure what more we can do at this point until Gilabad responds to us.

By the way, I won't be able to respond to anything until Saturday night (EST). Sorry if this holds up anything.

Gilabad, if you could please post specs (or links to specs) for your ships, along with the numbers of ships and aircraft (and specs or links to specs) in the squadron LH and I are currently engaging, it would be appreciated...

Oh, and Axinon, please also post specs for your ships and any aircraft they carry, along with numbers of aircraft.

I'll try get the specs for my ships and aircraft up by tomorrow, I'm off for tonight.

Coon Class Battlecruiser


Length: 270 meters
Width: 31 meters
Draught: 19 meters

Armament
-12 x 16 in Naval Guns (mounted 3 each on 4 rotary turrets (2 fore and 2 aft)
-12 x 8 in rapid fire naval guns
-3 x 100 cell VLS Systems
-4 x Shunner Short-Medium SAM systems
-30 x AXTLCIWS (Laser based CIWS, is small but has to be deployed en masse for maximum effectiveness)
-Pelican UCIWS System (Underwater CIWS that shoots small counter-torpetos at incoming torpetos)

Armor: 10 inches

Powerplant: 3 EP3-X500 Nuclear Reactors

Top Speed: 36 knots

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Seawolf-Class Attack Cruiser

I have not had time to work up detailed hull design for this class, but its weapons are 1 100 Cell VLS rack and Nine High-Rapid fire 11 in Naval Guns. Its top speed is 35 knots. Its amount of armour is slightly above that of a typical destroyer-cruiser.

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Hive - Class Swift Carrier

No detailed hull design. It is designed for speed in order to keep up with the Seawolf and Coon attack ships (something that my nations primary carrier, the Liberty - Class is incapable of doing. Carries 20 aircraft (12 Wasps and 8 Blackhunters) and a normal amount of carrier armor. Max Speed is 35 knots

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AxF/A-1 Wasp

Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft
Propulsion: 2 x X200-XDC-400 turbofan engines
Length:18.5 m
Height:4.87 m
Maximum take off gross weight:27,000 kg
Wingspan: 13.68 m
Ceiling: 18,000 m
Speed: Mach 2.2
Crew:1

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AxF/A-2 Blackhunter

Propulsion: 2 x Ep3-130000 turbofan engines
Thrust: 300 kN static thrust per engine
Length: 13 m
Height: 5 m
Maximum take off gross weight: 29,000 kg
Wingspan: 7 m
Ceiling: 24,000 m
Speed: Mach 3.6
Crew: 1
Payload (standard on auto-reloaded extendable hardpoints): 8 generic AtA missiles. 4 generic AtS missiles
Payload (on hardpoints): 1 AxAG-1 Air to Air cannon, 4 generic AtA Missiles
Supercruise
V/STOL
Thrust Vectoring (both x and y)

Nice; payload on the AxF/A-1 Wasp? Further, defensive armament on the Seawolf-Class Attack Cruiser and Hive-Class Swift Carrier?

Here's my troop deployment stats-

2 Carrier Battle Groups, each consisting of

1x CVN-68 Nimitz-class AC
-20x MiG-29 Fulcrum
-22x MiG-35 Foxhound
2x Ticonderoga-class Guided Missile Cruiser
3x California-class Cruiser
2x DDG-41 Arleigh Burke-class Destroyer
2x Seawolf-class Submarine
4x Gepard-class Frigate
5x Fregat-II Destroyer
3x Slava-class Cruiser

2nd Marine Division
100x Bull Warrior IFV
50x Legionnaire S-15
100x M101 Advancer APC
100x M998 HMMWV Humvee
10x Ivan Rogov Amphibious Assault Ships
8,052 combat personnel

7th Republican Guards Division
100x Tiger MBT
250x Bull Warrior IFV
30x M101 Advancer APC
100x M998 HMMWV Humvee
150x Legionnaire S-15
5,530 combat personnel

5th Armoured Division
500x Tiger MBT
200x M1A2 Abrams MBT
20x Behemoth II Heavy Battle Tank
120x Bull Warrior IFV
100x Legionnaire S-15
200x M998 HMMWV Humvee
10x Avenger AA
28x Impact MRLS
11,660 combat personnel

10th Mechanized Infantry Division
500x Bull Warrior IFV
80x M101 Advancer APC
200x Legionnaire S-15
250x M998 HMMWV Humvee
11,660 combat personnel

8th Bomber Wing
22x Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bomber
2x IL-78 refueling tanker

22nd Bomber Wing
22x Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bomber
2x IL-78 refueling tanker

All infantry armed with standard weapons- M16, HK PSG-1 sniper rifle, SMAW, Javelin AT, M249 SAW, M9 Beretta. Republican Guards and Marines also carry the XM-8 rifle. Designs from DMG Military Industries.
If there's anything which looks really wrong here, please let me know.

Hamilay - AD? Further, how many M16, HK PSG-1 sniper rifle, SMAW, Javelin AT, and M249 SAW in each squad or platoon?

There's a few Avenger AD systems there, but not much. At the moment I'm lacking pretty badly in dedicated AD, but the TOWs and some other weapons on the Humvees and Legionnaire S15s can hit aircraft.

Per squad (18 men)
10x M16
2x SMAW
3x M249 SAW
2x HK PSG-1 sniper
1x Javelin AT

Individual specs for my current deployment, I imagine it's plenty of info:

Duntovostok-class carrier
Length: 1,080 ft; Beam: 130 ft; Draft: 37 ft
Displacement: 85,000 tons
Power: 4 x Two Harbors Shipbuilding NE-1 nuclear reactors
Max Speed: 32 knots
Air Wing: 70 x F/A-22B Sea Raptors, 15 x F/B-51A Swordfish (DAS-4M)
Armaments: 4 batteries of 20 RIM-120 SLAMRAAM air defense missiles; 6 Mk48 torpedo tubes; 2 batteries of 20 SSM-1C Penetrator anti-ship missiles; 1 battery of 20 SSM-4C Thor anti-ship missiles; 8 x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
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Fluchtwagen-class battleship
Length: 930 ft; Beam: 113 ft; Draft: 37 ft
Displacement: 68,000 tons
Power: 4 x Two Harbors Shipbuilding NE-1 nuclear reactors
Max Speed: 32 knots
Air Wing: 2 x SH-60F Seahawk helos
Armaments: 9 x 18"-65 ETC guns in three triple turrets; 28 x 6"-40 ETC guns in 14 double turrets; 4 batteries of 20 RIM-120 SLAMRAAM air defense missiles; 6 Mk48 torpedo tubes; 2 batteries of 20 SSM-1C Penetrator anti-ship missiles; 1 battery of 20 SSM-4C Thor anti-ship missiles; 8 x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
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Superior-class frigate
Length: 500 ft; Beam: 50 ft; Draft: 23 ft
Displacement: 7,000 tons
Power: 1 x Excel Energy NE-2 nuclear reactor
Max Speed: 33 knots
Air Wing: 2 x SH-60F Seahawk helos
Armaments: 1 x 5"-38 ETC gun, 2 batteries of 20 RIM-120 SLAMRAAM air defense missiles; 2 Mk48 torpedo tubes; 2 batteries of 20 SSM-1C Penetrator anti-ship missiles; 2 x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
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Bismark-class cruiser
Length: 590 ft; Beam: 58 ft; Draft: 33 ft
Displacement: 12,000 tons
Power: 2 x Excel Energy NE-3 nuclear reactors
Max Speed: 35 knots
Air Wing: 2 x SH-60F Seahawk helos
Armaments: 2 x 6"-40 ETC guns; 3 batteries of 20 RIM-120 SLAMRAAM air defense missiles; 4 Mk48 torpedo tubes; 3 batteries of 20 SSM-1C Penetrator anti-ship missiles; 2 x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
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Hudson-class destroyer
Length: 520 ft; Beam: 60 ft; Draft: 28 ft
Displacement: 9,500 tons
Power: 2 x Two Harbors Shipbuilding NE-4 nuclear reactors
Max Speed: 38 knots
Air Wing: 2 x SH-60F Seahawk helos
Armaments: 1 x 6"-40 ETC gun; 2 batteries of 20 RIM-120 SLAMRAAM air defense missiles; 2 Mk48 torpedo tubes; 1 battery of 20 SSM-1C Penetrator anti-ship missiles; 2 x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
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F/A-22B Sea Raptor
Wingspan: 44 ft 6 in; Length: 62 ft 1 in; Height: 16 ft 8 in
Max Weight: 80,000 lbs
Power: 2 x Pratt & Whitney F-119-PW-100 afterburning turbofans, 35,000 lbs-thrust each
Max Speed: Mach 1.8
Range: 1,000 nm combat
Armaments: 1 x 20mm M61A2 Vulcan gatling gun; 6 x AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles; 5,000 lbs assorted ordnance
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F/B-51A Swordfish [DAS-4M]
Wingspan: 53 ft 10 in; Length: 78 ft 9 in; Height: 18 ft 6 in
Max Weight: 99,000 lbs
Power: 2 x Isselmere Motor Works ATG-9F afterburning turbofans, 33,800 lbs-thrust each
Max Speed: Mach 2.24
Range: 1,500 nm combat
Armaments: 1 x 30mm Royal Isselmere/Nieland Ordnance ACA.41 gatling gun; 4 x ASM-5C Pelican anti-ship missiles [GWS.52A2]; various air-to-air missiles (2 - 4 AMRAAMs usually)
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ERB-60D AWACS / KB-60D tanker
Wingspan (both): 225 ft 0 in; Length: 171 ft 0 in; Height: 46 ft 8 in
Max Weight: ERB-60D -- 555,500 lbs / KB-60D -- 540,000 lbs
Power (both): 4 x General Electric GE90-115B turbofans, 115,300 lbs-thrust each
Range: ERB-60D -- 8,300 mi / KB-60D -- varies by fuel transfered to other aircraft

Arriving in one day - The First Expeditionary Brigade of Naktan, with one armored company (16 T-90, 200 men), one reconnaissance company (16 IKV-91, 150 men), three alpine infantry battalions (4,500 men), one cavalry battalion (800 men and horses), and two infantry regiments (9,000 men)
[More detailed info is forthcoming. Naktan is indeed sending horse cavalry (their military is a bit antiquated, although we've helped them upgrade their navy and air force); I'll probably use them as additional light infantry.]

Arriving in seven days - The 25th Reserve Mech Infantry Division, equipped with T-5 Lightning Main Battle Tanks from Lost Hills

Arriving in fifteen days -
Fourteenth (Composite) Wing:
12 B-12 Donkey
12 F-12 Oxcart
Fifteenth (CAS) Wing:
72 MV-24 Peregrine
Sixteenth (CAS) Wing:
72 MV-24 Peregrine

Lost Hills - Did The Beltway receive production rights for your designs?

The Seawolf uses 10 AXTLCIWS for defense, and contains no underwater CIWS. The Hive uses 30 AXTLCIWS mounts for defense and has a Pellican U-CIWS.

The Wasp is loosely based on the McDonnel/Douglass F/A-18E Super Hornet, and carries a similer weapon load

One genaric ATA gun
# External payload: 2 wing-tip ATA missle launchers, 6 removable under wing mounted hard points for either ATA missles, ATS missles, or bombs, 2 multi-mode fuselage stations (for ATA missles or High-rez infared suete), 1 centerline fuselage hardpoint (Bomb or missle)

Quaon Troops Equipment:

The typical member of the army is equipped with:
AK-47 with 4 clips of ammo
Five-seveN Pistol with 2 clips of ammo
Three Days Worth of Rations
Canteen
Kevlar Combat Suit
Combat Knife
Binoculars
Four Frag Grenades
Flashlight
First Aid Kit

Lost Hills - Did The Beltway receive production rights for your designs?

Yes. Where is Gilabad?

We'd prefer you didn't sell the rest of them in any storefronts though.

My navy will soon send out at least one battlefleet with the following ships

1 Oblivion-Class Superdreadnought (Oblivion)
12 Dynamic-Class Battleship
25 O'Conner-Class Battleship
35 Coon-Class Battlecruiser
20 Exorcist-Class Railgun Cruiser
30 Millenium Wall-Class Anti-Missle Cruiser
50 Soloman-Class Cruiser
30 Liberty-Class Aircraft Carrier
120 Falcon-Class Destroyer
20 Firefly-Class Aircraft Destroyer
20 Pellican-Class Submarine Destroyer

I will post the stats later. Most of the ships (all besides the last two) are in the Axinon Defense Corp storefront in my sig.

Lost Hills - The Beltway, not Baltimore Shipyards or any other corporation, received production rights. Therefore, no concerns there. Further, the money you gave us: was that a gift or a loan?

Further, the money you gave us: was that a gift or a loan?

It was a gift.

Excellent!

Gejigrad: The Foreign Ministry message will not be sent until a week after you departed (one day before you arrive); we'll assume that you departed sometime on the evening of the first day, and thus arrive five days after the current situation. Accompanying it will be the third battle group:

CV-98 Benjamin Cardin - Benjamin Cardin class; 36 F-35B JSFs, four E-2C Hawkeye AWACS aircraft, ten F-14B Recon/Fighter Planes, four EA-6B EW aircraft, eight S-3B strike planes, ten RQ-1E Predator UCAVs
LSD-1 Intruder - LC-2 Intruder class; Third Marine Brigade
BB-89 Maryland - Ragnarok class
CG-63 Antietam - Antietam class
CG-3 McHenry - Ticonderoga class
DDG-33 Mark Warner - Mark Warner class
DDG-34 Douglass Wilder - Mark Warner class
DDG-5 Harriet Tubman - Search class
DD-22 Donald Beyer - Rothsky class
FF-4 Matthew Tilghman - Armada class
FF-5 Thomas Johnson - Armada class
FFG-6 Patrick Henry - Andrenaline class
SSK-3 Allison Blair - Upholder class
SSN-21 Seawolf - Seawolf class
SSGN-1 Cecil Calvert - Ohio class SSGN
MHC-6 Beach - Sandown class
MSC-7 Potomac - River class
MCM-8 Defender - Flyvetisken class
AH-3 Henry Dunant - Nightengale class
AO-1 Camden Yards - Moengen class
AFS-1 Wrigley Field - Wirgley class

For RQ-1E Predator UCAV, see MoCoAutSys; other ships are linked previously.

The Third Marine Brigade has:
15,000 Marine Uniforms, include: Digital/Pixel Camouflage BDU, Helmet, Inteceptor Body Armor, Combat boots, & Combat vest. Ballistic/Laser Protective Spectacles, Shovel, Flashlights, Chemical lights, Combat/Surivial Knife, and Bayonet. Objective Force Warrior Equipment
30 M1A2 Abrams
36 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets
20 F-35C JSFs
5 EA-18G Growlers (EW)
24 CH-53E Super Stallions
60 M777 155mm lightweight field howitzers
72 M220 TOW launchers
631 M1043 HMMWVs (All equipped with M2 .50 caliber Machine Gun & Mk19 40mm automatic grenade launcher)
12 Patriot Missile Batteries
300 Stinger missile launchers
30 HMMWV Avenger Anti-Aircraft Missile System
60 HIMARS Rocket Artillery
24 AH-1Z Super Cobras
12 KC-130J Refueling Hercules
36 MV-22B Ospreys
489 MTVRs
121 LVS
41 Reverse Osmosis Water Purification Units
40 LMT 3000 Water Purification Unit
30 Sea Tractor
40 TRAMs (10,000 lb. Capacity Forklifts)
20 Forklifts (capacity of 4,000 lbs)
30 D-7 Bulldozers
9 UH-1Y Hueys
7 M88A1 Tank Recovery Vehicles
109 AAAVs
112 LAV-25s
15,000 XM-8 rifles with varients
15,000 M9 Beratta
15,000 MP-5 Submachine Guns
15,000 Colt .45
5,000 Remington 870 Shotguns
5,000 Winchester 1200 Shotguns
5,000 Mossberg 890 Shotguns
5,000 M67 Frag Grenade
2,000 M18 Colored Smoke Grenade
2,000 Flashbang (Stun) Grenades
500 lbs of C4 explosive
800 M240G Machine Guns
90 SOFLAM laser Designators
5 Pioneer Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV)
120 M224 60mm Mortar
100 M252 81mm Medium Extended Range Mortar
350 Javelin missile launchers

[ So we're rendevouzing before I actually arrive, or when I get there?

And dear God, that's a lot of information. I thought my info was detailed. Guess there's going to be some editing on my NSwiki to include the earthmovers and other utility craft, along with the explosives/grenades and other such stuff. ]

I got the earthmovers and stuff off of Roman Republic, where I bought the package; thus, you don't have to get into that level of detail. Just list combat equipment (tanks down to hummers) by number. Specs, or pointing us towards links to same, for your ships would be of use.
The Third Battle Group rendezvoused with your own fleet when they met for exercises. After all, they radioed you to tell you what was going on...

[ It's in the factbook. Sorry, thought I told everyone, not just you.

And all right. Just wanted to make sure, because I was bouncing my messages off satellites--so I figured it was a longer range than that. ]

Bookkeeping...
$1,332,000,000,000.00 US received in gifts ($750 billion from Lost Hills and the balance from anonymous donors)
$706,675,355,000.00 US spent
$625,324,645,000.00 US unspent

"Texas" Class Battle Cruiser
-Brief description: stealth contour, 950 ft. long, 200 ft. wide, stealthy material construction including LBPM (Layered Ballistick Protection Material): the same kind of armour on the M-12 "Battlefortress" but much thicker. Over the armour is a thin coat of carbon to further mask its radar reflection. It's powered by two small GGE Nuclear Reactors.

Armament--

-16 20 Inch GGE Naval guns
-20 5 Inch Naval guns
-15 CWIS turrets
-400 M-2 Browning 50. cal. machineguns
-150 40 m.m. Bofors canons (AA/SS)
-200 30 m.m. Vulcan cannons
-20 SAM Mk. 26 Mod. 5 launchers
-10 Mk. 32 torpedoe tubes
-10 Tomahawk Cruise missile launchers
-8 Harpoon launchers
-2 Patriot missile launchers
-4 guided depth charge launchers

So is our status right now still on the first day of the battle? If not, Gilabad, can you please respond to our naval attacks?

(OOC, Beltway, since your country is a democratic nation, your government would be pretty politicaly unstable. With the annhialation of 22,000 troops, this has probably stirred up controversy especially with the oppossing party [just a suggestion]).

OOC: In my opinion, even though an opposition party would probably use it as a political tool, the deaths of 22,000 Beltway troops would probably galvanize the population against Gilabad and make them highly pro-war. You can't exactly let another country kill off 22,000 of your troops and let it go.

Are we far enough along so that my battlegroups can show up? If not, can some MiGs from the carriers and a wing of strategic bombers flown ahead from Hamilay arrive?