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Recently N.D. and I were talking durring lunch, durring school, and we started talking about creating ninja-weapon style lightsabers. Well, here is my first photoshop attempt at creating a "Katanasaber."


Lightkatana (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Huntaer/Huntaer/Lightsabers/Katana2.jpg).

This is a rough draft. I still have to do some finnishing touches.

Cool. Would it have any effects other than the appearance?

Maybe bend the hilt a little.

Thats pretty sweet. Is it even possible for a katana to look even cooler? I would suggest though putting more of a curve to the entire sword. The handle on a katana isn't quite so straight. Also, the "blade" should thin out near the front. Constructive criticism never hurt, right?

I'm thinking of having the Katana be more of a close-combat saber (as in, used in ship corridors, ect), and has a smaller chance of blocking lightsaber succesfully than the regular lightsaber.

I'm going to be doing a bunch of check's and ballances sort of thing with the new 'sabers.

Thats pretty sweet. Is it even possible for a katana to look even cooler?

Sure. Double-bladed Katana.

Sure. Double-bladed Katana.
That would be nice, but it wouldn't be functional. You would cut the saya wide open with a double blade. Also, certain attacks and blocks require holding the back of the sword. Who wants to lose a hand by their own katana?

That would be nice, but it wouldn't be functional. You would cut the saya wide open with a double blade. Also, certain attacks and blocks require holding the back of the sword. Who wants to lose a hand by their own katana?

[ Um.
By being a lightsaber (read, contained plasma), it's automatically double-bladed. ]

Nice! Wouldn't the proper term be "Lightkatana", though?

Gejigrad: No, it's double-edged (or omni-edged).

[ Um.
By being a lightsaber (read, contained plasma), it's automatically double-bladed. ]
Well I originally was thinking like actual katana. I didn't bother to edit the post. But not to be rude to Huntaer, a katanasaber would defeat the purpose of a katana, and anyway, it would be more useful if it was a wakazashi - style weapon, as they're smaller.

No.

http://furryconflict.com/tech/technopedia/weapons/lightsaber_1.jpg

This is a single blade.

http://members.shaw.ca/t7nowhere1/images/Maul_icon.jpg

That is a double blade.

Though in RL, you'd be correct that it's automatically double bladed. In SW terms, however, a signle bladed lightsaber has one hilt and a double blade has two connected hilt.

I like it. Really. Interesting design, probably could become another commonly-used lightsaber alternative (though it is, uh...The same).

Nice work with Photoshop, by the way. Looks pretty realistic (or at least as real as the other Lightsaber images).

Nice! Wouldn't the proper term be "Lightkatana", though?

Gejigrad: No, it's double-edged (or omni-edged).

Yeah, you're right.

*Will be edited.

I like it. Really. Interesting design, probably could become another commonly-used lightsaber alternative (though it is, uh...The same).

Nice work with Photoshop, by the way. Looks pretty realistic (or at least as real as the other Lightsaber images).

I've had practice with my Towerless Star Destroyers. If you look closely enough at the pic, you could tell that the blade is actually crooked and doesn't line up with the handle.

[ Eh, sorry. :3 ]

I've had practice with my Towerless Star Destroyers. If you look closely enough at the pic, you could tell that the blade is actually crooked and doesn't line up with the handle.

I noticed that, but I attributed it to the actual design of the Katana.

I noticed that, but I attributed it to the actual design of the Katana.

Thanks I guess....

There is this sword thing, that has 4 blades and an arm guard, I forget the name. Really awesome, and it is wielded one-armed. Anyone who remembers what I'm talking about, please post a pic. I'd like to see one of those babies.

Looks good. Any chance of a LightBat'leth?

we started talking about creating ninja-weapon style lightsabers. Well, here is my first photoshop attempt at creating a "Katanasaber." Lightkatana (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Huntaer/Katana2.jpg).


One slight nitpick. The Katana is not the sword of the ninja. If the ninja existed in the form we think of them, they probably wouldn't have used swords much, being essentially spies, more common looking weapons were preferable. However, even so, the sword used by the ninja would have been a shorter thing, Shinobigatana and Ninjatō, while probably fictional - carrying a sword that identifies one as a spy is after all, foolish - are more emblematic, and fit the requirements somewhat better.

One slight nitpick. The Katana is not the sword of the ninja. If the ninja existed in the form we think of them, they probably wouldn't have used swords much, being essentially spies, more common looking weapons were preferable. However, even so, the sword used by the ninja would have been a shorter thing, Shinobigatana and Ninjat?, while probably fictional - carrying a sword that identifies one as a spy is after all, foolish - are more emblematic, and fit the requirements somewhat better.

Interesting bit of fact there.

Slight clarification: More common looking weapons, means weapons that look like other, everyday, items. Katana weren't that uncommon a sight, among the upper classes at least. While not inherently ninja related, for example, nunchuks became a weapon - they were originally a farmer's tool for threshing rice - during a ban on edged weapons by Japanese fuedal leaders.

Not a bad job. Broader blade than I expected (maybe its a trick of the light, not sure), but it looks formidable enough.

Slight clarification: More common looking weapons, means weapons that look like other, everyday, items. Katana weren't that uncommon a sight, among the upper classes at least. While not inherently ninja related, for example, nunchuks became a weapon - they were originally a farmer's tool for threshing rice - during a ban on edged weapons by Japanese fuedal leaders.

Gotcha. BTW, I'm going to be photoshopping lightnunchuks soon. I know, the handle is where you hold and hit the other person at the same time. I'll be "inventing" special gloves which will enable the Jedi/Sith user to touch the blade.

Actually, see this following link: Galactech PH-20 Energy Staff (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9163843&postcount=185)

I'm going to follow a similar philosophy for the Nunchucks.

Slight clarification: More common looking weapons, means weapons that look like other, everyday, items. Katana weren't that uncommon a sight, among the upper classes at least. While not inherently ninja related, for example, nunchuks became a weapon - they were originally a farmer's tool for threshing rice - during a ban on edged weapons by Japanese fuedal leaders.

You could carry one katanna in Japan. Samurais (being the elite mercenary fighters, could carry 2). Ninja's used Shuriken and other weapons for assassinations. It was uncommon for ninja's to actually engage in combat from close quarters (because they were assassins and weren't meant to be discovered at all), so all those epic battles of ninja vs samurai aren't accurate. Though ninja vs ninja would be more like that....umm oops way off topic.

Back to the light-katanna. The only effective thing of the katanna design is the weight, the swords aren't heavy (which makes them duel-wieldable and have the classic hold with one sword behind you and one infront of you stance, instead of the blade first on a regular sword)

When someone goes to swing a katanna its powerful cause it can stop slashes (which are what japanese swords could easily do to cause a large amount of damage) over the european bash and hack kind.

Ultimately it will come down to a weight issue, the heavier the katanna the less effective it was in the long run. The sword was already heavy and was perfect for the kind of combat. If you could make lightsabers maybe twice or three (or more times) lighter then MAYBE the katanna would be a good option, but it still requires a larger range of movement to actively block or attack and for a 'kill' weapon its just not practical.

With a katanna I can block and attack, but I have greater control (cause of hand placement) to the hilt of the weapon, with a sword the purpose it to block and attack and KILL on a hit. Katannas are weaker then swords, but the greater control (and shorter length) makes them great for agile fighters. Swords were never like that, they are mostly thick and heavy, and were made for a variety of purposes....mostly to STAB.

Sword = Stab and less control
Katanna = light and lots of control and slash attacks. (held close to body to for attacks...not smart with lightsaber)

Though it IS cool, I'd stick with a regular light saber, cause from either you AREN'T getting up from. A katanna would be pushed back or whatever easier then a regular (heavier) light saber and from the way you weild it....you'd be burned badly by its normal stance to even weild such an object from the heat that comes off of it. Swords are ideal.

OCC: Could I buy a light saber from you?

OCC: Could I buy a light saber from you?

The Katana will be sold in the "Kirtir" section of the new Infantry store front. Lightsabers and other "Light--" weapons could be found in the "Jedi/Sith" section.

Ultimately it will come down to a weight issue, the heavier the katanna the less effective it was in the long run. The sword was already heavy and was perfect for the kind of combat. If you could make lightsabers maybe twice or three (or more times) lighter then MAYBE the katanna would be a good option, but it still requires a larger range of movement to actively block or attack and for a 'kill' weapon its just not practical.[/quote[

The Lightkatana is meant for blocking in the first place. It is suppose to be used by a guard who has mastered both the offense and the defencive moves with the force. You know, incase an assassin did get into the Dark Palace of Huntaria.

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With a katanna I can block and attack, but I have greater control (cause of hand placement) to the hilt of the weapon, with a sword the purpose it to block and attack and KILL on a hit. Katannas are weaker then swords, but the greater control (and shorter length) makes them great for agile fighters. Swords were never like that, they are mostly thick and heavy, and were made for a variety of purposes....mostly to STAB.

Sword = Stab and less control
Katanna = light and lots of control and slash attacks. (held close to body to for attacks...not smart with lightsaber)

Though it IS cool, I'd stick with a regular light saber, cause from either you AREN'T getting up from. A katanna would be pushed back or whatever easier then a regular (heavier) light saber and from the way you weild it....you'd be burned badly by its normal stance to even weild such an object from the heat that comes off of it. Swords are ideal.

Swords are ideal but with the right person and training, the Katana could beat a saber (but, even then the wielder would get cut by the lightsaber a lot).

Up comming projects:

Lightnunchuck
Lightshuriken
Lightbattleaxe

The fact you die from it is enough to make it impractical, cause the heat coming off the weapon will do more then burn you alone. Its why its impractical.

To be honest, there's not much point in a 'lightaxe' because the blade has no weight, and thus, no enhanced momentum, you're not going to get any real advantages that a 'lightsaber' wouldn't give you. The main factor in such weapons I'd really want would be reach.

[ Actually, a bit of a note, here:

Shuriken were not used for killing. They were used for slowing down fleeing opponents that the ninja had not killed quite so quickly, or had spotted them and ran.

Blowguns and wakizashis were more popular.

And: http://rpggamer.org/stats.php?page=d6/d6lightaxe.html ]

Gotcha. BTW, I'm going to be photoshopping lightnunchuks soon. I know, the handle is where you hold and hit the other person at the same time. I'll be "inventing" special gloves which will enable the Jedi/Sith user to touch the blade.

Actually, see this following link: Galactech PH-20 Energy Staff (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9163843&postcount=185)

I'm going to follow a similar philosophy for the Nunchucks.

SWORDCHUCKS YO!

To be honest, there's not much point in a 'lightaxe' because the blade has no weight, and thus, no enhanced momentum, you're not going to get any real advantages that a 'lightsaber' wouldn't give you. The main factor in such weapons I'd really want would be reach.

Actually, a bit of a note, here:

Shuriken were not used for killing. They were used for slowing down fleeing opponents that the ninja had not killed quite so quickly, or had spotted them and ran.

Blowguns and wakizashis were more popular.

And: http://rpggamer.org/stats.php?page=d6/d6lightaxe.html ]


Yeah, definatly read that. That's where I got most of my Lightsaber stuff in the first place for my store front. My version offers two blades for the battleaxe.

Light Shuriken (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Huntaer/Huntaer/Lightsabers/lightshurikencopy.jpg)

Description:
This is meant as an assassin weapon, typically used by the Kirtir Warriors and Knights of Huntaer. The Malkir use this weapon as a way to keep their enemies from running away too quickly. Unfortunately for non-force users, this weapon is practically impossible to hold when activated. All blades come out (each one about a centimeter or so thick) once activated. The user of the Light Shuriken must throw it first, and then use the force to activate it. If the Light Shuriken isn't used in assassination missions, it is advisable to call it back (through the force) once it has hit it's target. When it reaches the user, make sure you turn it off with the force. Attempting to use your hand to turn it on and off is strictly inadvisable.

Light Battleaxe (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Huntaer/Huntaer/Lightsabers/Lightbattleaxecopy.jpg)

Description:
Similar to it's cousin (the Light Axe), the Light Battleaxe has two blades rather than one. It offers as a very good close combate weapon, but is advisable to avoid use when going against other lightsaber wielders. The Light Battleaxe offers the user to kill twice the amount it cousin offers, and like it's cousin it is extreamly effective when used to cut things up(especially doors). The Malkir have avoided the use of both the Light Axe and the Light Battleaxe because they view them to be a weapon of the Kirtir. The Light Battleaxe, as good as it is in slicing things, however is extreamly cumbersome. Most Malkir have little to fear when it comes to facing these weapons, unless they are dealing with a Weapons Master, Kirtir Master, or a Kirtir Lord/Dark Lord.

Looks good. Any chance of a LightBat'leth?

Just did a google search. Look's very probable.

Just did a google search. Look's very probable.

Do it.

my ruler has a weapon like it a light katana that is the same size shape and lengnth of the masamune outa ff7

Light Nunchucks (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Huntaer/Huntaer/Lightsabers/LightNunchucks.jpg)


Description:

The Light Nunchucks isn't something to joke about. They can effectively be used against a lightsaber and any other weapon. Due to the fact that the wielder must touch the blade in oreder to use it, there has been special gloves issued to help the wielder hold the blades while they're active. The Light Nunchucks are very effectice in aggressive attacks, as well as blocking. The Light Nunchucks are an impressive sight to see on the battle field.

bump for replies. Light hammer to be posted later on in the afternoon today....

Electromagnetic field, plasma. Thats a basic light saber.

Lightnunchucks and lighthammers? That's venturing way too far into the realms of the absurd. No-one will tale you seriously.

By the way, these theoretical plasmasabers: if the electromagnetic field was strong enough to shield you from the heat of the plasma and hold it in blade form, wouldn't it also be powerful enough to prevent it from melting through stuff and things? You'd effectively have a solid forcefield club with plasma contained harmlessly within.

Actually, while the axes may be a little far fetched for Star Wars technology, the nunchucks are completely possible and have been used in one of the books (I think - but I forget which one). They wolud basically be two lightsabers connected by a chain.

Actually, while the axes may be a little far fetched for Star Wars technology, the nunchucks are completely possible and have been used in one of the books (I think - but I forget which one). They wolud basically be two lightsabers connected by a chain.

Yeah. The chain would be made of the same stuff which vibroblades and swords are made of, so it couldn't get cut by it's own blade or by it's enemies.

Lightnunchucks and lighthammers? That's venturing way too far into the realms of the absurd. No-one will tale you seriously.

Lighthammer I kinda agree (actually, I'm not even sure how the "blade" of the hammer would work), but the Lightnunchucks are absolutly possibly.


By the way, these theoretical plasmasabers: if the electromagnetic field was strong enough to shield you from the heat of the plasma and hold it in blade form, wouldn't it also be powerful enough to prevent it from melting through stuff and things? You'd effectively have a solid forcefield club with plasma contained harmlessly within.


Here is a description on which I found from another SW Rp website:
Jedi Plasma Saber (http://rpggamer.org/stats.php?page=d6/d6plasmasaber.html)

I haven't actually used the Plasma Saber myself, seeing how the user can get wounded by his own blade much more easily than you could with a regular Lightsaber.

Lightchucks are rather rediculous. The fighting style used with nunchaku is completely incompatable with a lightsabre, as the baton generally rests on your arm. With a sabre, you'd slice your own limbs off lickety damn split. And if you have special gloves to handle it, why not just make armor of the stuff? And if you're using canon methods to handle the blade (cortosis), the stuff deactivates the blade everytime it touches it.

You could carry one katanna in Japan. Samurais (being the elite mercenary fighters, could carry 2).
Incorrect. While most anyone could carry a katana (which is just Japanese for sword anyway), carrying a Daisho (katana and a shorter blade, either a wakazashi or a tanto depending on period) without being a Samurai could result in you being killed.

Also, it's spelled "Katana" not "Katanna."

Back to the light-katanna. The only effective thing of the katanna design is the weight, the swords aren't heavy (which makes them duel-wieldable and have the classic hold with one sword behind you and one infront of you stance, instead of the blade first on a regular sword)
Wrong again. The swords are actually decently heavy, and were rarely dual weilded. Only a scarce few, usually students of Miyamoto Musashi, ever attempted to use two swords at once. Also, the proper stance when using a katana is similar to a classical fencing stance, with the sword either low and in front of you or still on your belt with the hilt up, so as to be drawn quickly in an upward sweeping motion.

When someone goes to swing a katanna its powerful cause it can stop slashes (which are what japanese swords could easily do to cause a large amount of damage) over the european bash and hack kind.

Another falacy. Both European blades and japanese katanas were used to slash at their opponents, with stabbing actually being more common with the katana, as it only had one killing edge. In fact, swords were nearly identical, with the exception that the Japanese had less steel, and thus were forced to make do with slightly less raw material. Still, the blades are very strong, especially the late-style constructions, which feature a stiff rear edge and sides to put more weight behind the flexible and very sharp blade.

Ultimately it will come down to a weight issue, the heavier the katanna the less effective it was in the long run. The sword was already heavy and was perfect for the kind of combat. If you could make lightsabers maybe twice or three (or more times) lighter then MAYBE the katanna would be a good option, but it still requires a larger range of movement to actively block or attack and for a 'kill' weapon its just not practical.
Katana were just as heavy as any other sword, except of course European claymores, which should instead be compared to weapons like the odachi.

With a katanna I can block and attack, but I have greater control (cause of hand placement) to the hilt of the weapon, with a sword the purpose it to block and attack and KILL on a hit. Katannas are weaker then swords, but the greater control (and shorter length) makes them great for agile fighters. Swords were never like that, they are mostly thick and heavy, and were made for a variety of purposes....mostly to STAB.

Wrong in almost every aspect. With the exception of early swords like the Gladius (stabbing by neccessity, as it was little more than a large knife) and late swords like the rapier (intended to pierce thick plate), nearly all swords were used for slashing. Katanas are also just as long, if not longer, than western swords, with a longer cutting edge due to their slight curvature. Also, due to their complex construction, they were often stronger than European blades, their closest equals being those constructed by master swordsmiths in areas such as Toledo or Damascus.

Sword = Stab and less control
Katanna = light and lots of control and slash attacks. (held close to body to for attacks...not smart with lightsaber)
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Katana = sword. Very similar technique, with the exception that it was often weilded using both hands due to the long grip.

Though it IS cool, I'd stick with a regular light saber, cause from either you AREN'T getting up from. A katanna would be pushed back or whatever easier then a regular (heavier) light saber and from the way you weild it....you'd be burned badly by its normal stance to even weild such an object from the heat that comes off of it. Swords are ideal.
Wrong again, this time about light sabres. The blade is weightless, and thus no more difficult to push back than a standard light sabre. Again, you're wrong about the stance, and you're also wrong about the heat. In most movies, games, books, etc, the blade is often directly next to the weilders face, hand, leg, etc. without any discomfort.

Actually, while the axes may be a little far fetched for Star Wars technology, the nunchucks are completely possible and have been used in one of the books (I think - but I forget which one). They wolud basically be two lightsabers connected by a chain.... Lightsaber... Swordchucks?

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