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Hataropoils, Hataria

Communism was one thing Hatarians hated, even Hatarian Marxists hated Communism, Because of what Stalin and others had turn it into. If you ever meet a Marxist or Maoist in Hataria and call him or her a Communist, he would say that he wasn't Someone like Stalin and Kim jong li who Killed their own People.

and it was this day that was to be the start of a fight against Communists. General Asuka was told to go to the Palace and Meet with The Empress her self.

"I want you to Attack Union Canada." The Empress said. "I guess you had heard the News of them Blameing so-called "Captialist Rebels" for a Terrorist Attack." Asuka knew that many Hatarians thought that the whole thing was faked by Them to Drive out Capitalism. "Yes, and I think that It will be no Trobble in Conquering a nation like UC." Asuka said and left

Hataria was about to show that Communists were not Strong against The Might of The Empire.

Emperor Titus Celmaetus shifted his eyes from one side of the conference room to the other. He impaitently drummed his fingers on the table, nodding his head back and forth to a tune in his head.

"Sir..." came the distant voice of Chief of Ministry Mundatus Veldaem. "Sir!" His voice was louder now, splitting through Titus's daydream like a daggar. He jolted in his seat. "Sorry, Mundatus. Continue."

"Sir, I asked if you think the education budget needs a boost."

Titus shook himself consciously. "Maybe in Imperial universities, but all in all, no."

Mundatus cleared his throat. "Okay. Let's proceed. There's a disturbance in Hataria. Recon sats show a slight increase in naval activity in the waters surrounding Hataria. Also, they are becoming hostile toward Union Canada, a communist state."

This made Titus sit up in his chair. He normally acted like a bored child in suc ministers meetings, in which he met with his 12 cabinet ministers. The mention of a communist nation made his ears perk up.

"I wonder what the international community will think of this. They'll no doubt gang up on Hataria. But still, some nations surprise me..." Titus stroked his chin. "Tiro, do you think we have enough military capabilities for war?"

Minister of Defense Tiro Santaelium straightened up. "A whole lot of forces are still left over with nothing to do in the wake of the downfall of the Black & Grey Imperium. Everything would need to be reorganized; the Imperium scattered them pretty badly, even after our preparations."

"But we can still go to war?" Asked Titus eagerly, a faint smile cracking on his face.

"Yes."

"This could be our chance to help destroy communism. I wonder what the WACL's take on this would be. A couple on nations from that alliance would jump in at a moment's notice if they had the chance to kick Red ass."

"I'll write up a mobilization proposal for the Imperial Senate to vote on," said Mundatus, pulling out special proposal forms. "Most of them are from the Capitalist party."

"Thank you, Mundatus. I'll let Hataria know of our intentions as soon as their attack on Union Canada becomes public."

TO: Hataria
From: Colderon


We will keep our eyes on this. It may prove profitable for both. You get rid of your commies, and I reap spoils to help pay for any cost of my possible helping you. We may become good friends in the future.

To: Hataria
From: Nation of Quebec

Nation of Quebec will watch this event very carefully. Being a pro-capitalist nation, we are disgusted by the so-called dreams of communism. These commies must be stopped, and we will support their oppression. We will support you in your struggles against them. It may prove to be profitable to us both. Out citizens will pray extra hard for your quick and easy victory. May the light of Kantor protect you and guide your path.

Official Diplomatic Message

Today is a sad day in the world, Anti-Communisim fever has reached an all time high, and such unprovoked attacks by so called "Anti-Communism Vigilantees" is absolutly atrocious. These new threats to Union Canada are even lower than low. Attacking a nation of 28 million due to its politcal ideaology ? That is not an Attack because of threats, that is blatant imperialism. Whilist Willink is not a communist nation, we do openly support communist nations, and mantain good ties with communist parties in our nation. With this document, the nation of Willink officialy and openly denounces the current actions of Hataria, and is willing to offer military equipment to Union Canada.
Signed, Willink Parliment, 94 out of 100 senators.

To: Hataria
From: Nation of Quebec

To whom it may concern, we are pleased to inform you that we have brought this issue to the attention at our United Xindus confrence. We are pleased to inform you that fellow capitalist nations, Pallazia (pop 100 million), Kantoriuma (pop 95 million), Breeninion (pop 25 million), and Urquat (pop 32 million) have agreed to support you in your fight againt communism. We await your orders.

Chris Archer
1337sauce Master of Foreign Affairs

-Lone Alliance-
Again we see the truth of Imperialism, Attacking other nations to 'rid the world of Communism.' It is not a nation's job to judge another's government, unless the other nation is opressing their people, we fully denounce such actions, you are no worse then the forces we are currently fighting ourselves. Though we are not willing to mobilize to face your threat, considering we are currently at war with another nation just as evil as yourself, we will be discussing with some allies on the possiblity of their mobilization of Forces.

From: Grand Senate of the Allied Union
To: All Nations Involved
RE: Hatarian Declaration of War

This is totally unacceptable.

By attacking a nation of 23 million under the guise of a disagreement over a governmental system, Hataria and its allies have shown that their leaders are simply imperialistic wolves seeking to tear apart a defenseless lamb. While we disagree with Union Canada's change of economic policy, we cannot, and will not under any circumstances, advocate the blatant imperialistic desires of the anti-Union Canada nations to manifest themselves into action against Union Canada. Despite this, we seek to find a peaceful solution to this dilemma before it explodes into a bloody war. We welcome peace talks to be held in Oured, Velkya, between both parties to discuss the argument before it is too late.

However, this is not a sign of weakness. Should Hataria and its gang of allies continue their threats to the nation of Union Canada; the Allied Union will be forced to respond with military action against any and all aggressors. That is all.

-End Transmission-

Official Governmental Statement

The Federation of Amazonian Beasts applauds the efforts of Hataria and Raven Corps on the matter of these UC communists. If war is declared official, then the full military might of the Federation will be at your disposal to utilize to invade this upstart communist scourge.

-Federation Foreign Affairs Ministry

Union Canadian forces prepared for any attack from capitalist forces. Because these savages wanted to turn Union Canada into a colony. Most Canadian citizens respected their government's descision and the army had increased it's ranks to 400,000 soldiers along with another 200,000 soldiers who were in reserve.

Union Canada Foreign Ministry:

We are outraged at so-called capitalist nations who are actually imperialistic scum who try to attack our nation. We are a peace-loving and independent socialist nation, and how dare these cowards try to lower the deaths of 5 innocent civilians because of capitalist terrorists. However, we are willing to discuss this in a debate.

Union Canadian forces prepared for any attack from capitalist forces. Because these savages wanted to turn Union Canada into a colony. Most Canadian citizens respected their government's descision and the army had increased it's ranks to 400,000 soldiers along with another 200,000 soldiers who were in reserve.

Union Canada Foreign Ministry:

We are outraged at so-called capitalist nations who are actually imperialistic scum who try to attack our nation. We are a peace-loving and independent socialist nation, and how dare these cowards try to lower the deaths of 5 innocent civilians because of capitalist terrorists. However, we are willing to discuss this in a debate.

The Federation would potentially be willing to agree to discussions, but would require Union-Canada to retract it's "Long live the end of capitalism" words sent out...a clear attack on capitalistic nations of the world.

Wireless to all anti-socialist parties involved

Union Canada has been a thorn in our side since the beginning of hostilities in Chechen Republic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467364) some weeks ago. Recently, we believe they have kidnapped the leader of the legitimate authority of the Republic, General Palovich, in a trumped-up case of treason. Palovich is our ally, thus his liberation will be highly beneficial to our cause.

To this effect, we are prepared to assist the anti-socialist/pro-capitalist parties involved in the name of restoring business and the free market to Union Canada, as well as extricating the kidnapped General Palovich.

Be in touch.

Wireless to all anti-socialist parties involved

Union Canada has been a thorn in our side since the beginning of hostilities in Chechen Republic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467364) some weeks ago. Recently, we believe they have kidnapped the leader of the legitimate authority of the Republic, General Palovich, in a trumped-up case of treason. Palovich is our ally, thus his liberation will be highly beneficial to our cause.

To this effect, we are prepared to assist the anti-socialist/pro-capitalist parties involved in the name of restoring business and the free market to Union Canada, as well as extricating the kidnapped General Palovich.

Be in touch.
Assuming what the nation of Bretton says is true, than the Federation must question Union-Canada's motvies on an international scale against capitalistic nations.

To: Bretton
From: Nation of Quebec

We are considering your proposal to help reclaim the rescue of your ally's leader. We wish for a more successful attack on Union Canada. However, if you prove to be lying or are using us as a puppet, we will take action against you as well as Union Canada.

Chris Archer
1337sauce Master of Foreign Affairs

To: Union Canada
From: Nation of Quebec

We believe your statements and actions are an attack on captalist nations such as ourselves. We have been offended and we condemn your remarks. We demand you apologize for them or we will be forced to take action against you and assist those nations who fight against you. Kantoriuma and Pallazia will each be sending troops to assist us. We reccommend you consider our proposal unless you want a war on your hands that you won't be able to win.

Chris Archer
1337sauce Master of Foreign Affairs

Union Canada response:

General Palovich is on trial for trying to rid the Chechen Republic of its elected ruler Amur Shanz and he has repeated said that he would like to wipe out the majority population in Chechen Republic. The coup lost, and his homicidal ideas are lost and he will be sent to prison. He is lucky that Union Canada doesn't have a death penalty. Also, Bretton wants Chechen Republic as a colony. We arrived as peacekeepers with Aequatio and Yr-Widdfa and we were booted out by Bretton scum.

Union Canada response:

General Palovich is on trial for trying to rid the Chechen Republic of its elected ruler Amur Shanz and he has repeated said that he would like to wipe out the majority population in Chechen Republic. The coup lost, and his homicidal ideas are lost and he will be sent to prison. He is lucky that Union Canada doesn't have a death penalty. Also, Bretton wants Chechen Republic as a colony. We arrived as peacekeepers with Aequatio and Yr-Widdfa and we were booted out by Bretton scum.

Ah, the audacity of youth... such colorful words when there is no substance behind them.

The Brettonian government and people always have, and always will, respect that the legitimate authority of any nation lies in its military. When a national army rises up to assume its rightful command of a sovereign country, we have and will continue to support their just cause to rule.

The hostilities in the Chechen Republic are a demonstration of the levels that members of the international community will stoop to preserve their idiotic notions of 'democracy.' We will liberate General Palovich, and we will see to his instatement as the rightful chief of state of the Chechen Republic.

Those who posses strength are destined to rule; those who lack it are destined to be ruled. Such is the way of the world.

o: Union Canada
From: Nation of Quebec

We believe your statements and actions are an attack on captalist nations such as ourselves. We have been offended and we condemn your remarks. We demand you apologize for them or we will be forced to take action against you and assist those nations who fight against you. Kantoriuma and Pallazia will each be sending troops to assist us. We reccommend you consider our proposal unless you want a war on your hands that you won't be able to win.

What is your policy?

We are willing to enter into a debate, and are willing to apologize but we will not back down from our policy that benefits all our citizens, except the ones who work with terrorists that have killed 5 innocent civilians. We are even open to allowing limited capitalism when our investigation into the terrorist attack is complete.

"I applaud and commend this heroic crusade launched by the noble Hatarian government. It is with great pleasure that I look forward to toasting your victory. May bloody death be meted out to all communists, and may communism be swept into the dustbin of history where it belongs! Long live the free market!"

--Generalissimo J.L.--

Union Canada response:

General Palovich is on trial for trying to rid the Chechen Republic of its elected ruler Amur Shanz and he has repeated said that he would like to wipe out the majority population in Chechen Republic. The coup lost, and his homicidal ideas are lost and he will be sent to prison. He is lucky that Union Canada doesn't have a death penalty. Also, Bretton wants Chechen Republic as a colony. We arrived as peacekeepers with Aequatio and Yr-Widdfa and we were booted out by Bretton scum.
Seeing how the Chechan Republic has been involved in high hostlities as of recent, this attack and imprisonment of one merely taking advantage of an already-chaotic situation is not one which shall gain you favors amongst the international community. We first suggest you release the man, then retract your statements bashing and attacking capitalist countries such as the Federation, if you wish to make headway on resolving the international stir you've created.

OOC Aside: Whoa... this is something of a first...

The first "Hataria declares war on X nation" where he actually recieves widespread support. Kinda spooky.

OOC Aside: Whoa... this is something of a first...

The first "Hataria declares war on X nation" where he actually recieves widespread support. Kinda spooky.
OOC: That's cause UC has insulted all of us capitalist nations ICly.

Seeing how the Chechan Republic has been involved in high hostlities as of recent, this attack and imprisonment of one merely taking advantage of an already-chaotic situation is not one which shall gain you favors amongst the international community. We first suggest you release the man, then retract your statements bashing and attacking capitalist countries such as the Federation, if you wish to make headway on resolving the international stir you've created.

We will allow the release of the man, once Bretton withdraws from Chechen Republic. It was a coup not an international conflict.

Then we propose a supervised election from the international community between Shanz and Palovich and the best man wins.

We are willing to apologize and retract or capitalist statement if war can be deverted and a debate is created. However, if we are attacked, the gloves are off.

What is your policy?

We are willing to enter into a debate, and are willing to apologize but we will not back down from our policy that benefits all our citizens, except the ones who work with terrorists that have killed 5 innocent civilians. We are even open to allowing limited capitalism when our investigation into the terrorist attack is complete.

-Lone Alliance response-
We applaud that you are still being open to a partial ability of allowing private businesses, on ourselves all major industry is public controlled but smaller local businesses, and some exporting businesses are allowed to exist within limits, as of yet we have had almost no cases of Government, or Corporate Corruption. This hybrid union of Government and Business works, and we can prove of that. Please don't punish those for having a different policital belief than your government, then you will be no better than the scum that are plotting to carve your nation up.

We would be willing to allow the reopening of private, local businesses like your model once the investigation is complete.

What is your policy?

We are willing to enter into a debate, and are willing to apologize but we will not back down from our policy that benefits all our citizens, except the ones who work with terrorists that have killed 5 innocent civilians. We are even open to allowing limited capitalism when our investigation into the terrorist attack is complete.

Nation of Quebec response:

Our policy is that although we would appreciate an apologly, we still believe that you should fully bring back capitalism into your government system. We are under the impression that you are impling that every capitalist is a terrorist. We will not tolerate such slander. You have no conclusive proof that capitalists did infact kill 5 innocent civilians. We feel that capitalism is vital to a country's economic success, as that is why ours is a powerhouse. Capitalism provides the means for all citizens to earn a living, while communism deliberately oppresses the people and can lead to a dictatorship based on the government. We will not tolerate that. We demand you bring capitalism fully back into your nation or you will face open war with us as well.

OOC: That's cause UC has insulted all of us capitalist nations ICly.

OOC: Comatica just hates communists. :D

OOC: Comatica just hates communists. :D
OOC: I do OOCly and ICly as well...but vouching for the masses.

Nation of Quebec response:

Our policy is that although we would appreciate an apologly, we still believe that you should fully bring back capitalism into your government system. We are under the impression that you are impling that every capitalist is a terrorist. We will not tolerate such slander. You have no conclusive proof that capitalists did infact kill 5 innocent civilians. We feel that capitalism is vital to a country's economic success, as that is why ours is a powerhouse. Capitalism provides the means for all citizens to earn a living, while communism deliberately oppresses the people and can lead to a dictatorship based on the government. We will not tolerate that. We demand you bring capitalism fully back into your nation or you will face open war with us as well.

No. We will not be pushed around by imperialists. We are willing to allow limited private local businesses that will help the small business.

We will allow the release of the man, once Bretton withdraws from Chechen Republic. It was a coup not an international conflict.

Then we propose a supervised election from the international community between Shanz and Palovich and the best man wins.

We are willing to apologize and retract or capitalist statement if war can be deverted and a debate is created. However, if we are attacked, the gloves are off.

So you can kidnap him again the moment our aegis is withdrawn? Please, tell us more amusing and nonsensical jokes.

We will withdraw from the Chechen Republic once we have ascertained that General Palovich's regime, being the rightful rulers of its nation, is secure in its operations. Until then, we will undertake the burden of keeping the peace within the Republic and ensure there is no further attempts at causing racial or sectarian violence and the plague of antipartisans is over with, permanently.

If you have any objections to our course of action, you can speak to our Peacemakers.

So you can kidnap him again the moment our aegis is withdrawn? Please, tell us more amusing and nonsensical jokes.

We will withdraw from the Chechen Republic once we have ascertained that General Palovich's regime, being the rightful rulers of its nation, is secure in its operations. Until then, we will undertake the burden of keeping the peace within the Republic and ensure there is no further attempts at causing racial or sectarian violence and the plague of antipartisans is over with, permanently.

If you have any objections to our course of action, you can speak to our Peacemakers.

If you are a peacemaker, why did you raise the Bretton flag over Chechen Republic soil. You just want them to as a colony.

We are willing immediately for you to land a transport in our country, remove General Palovich then allow elections watched under the International community to see who the winner would be.

If you are a peacemaker, why did you raise the Bretton flag over Chechen Republic soil. You just want them to as a colony.

We are willing immediately for you to land a transport in our country, remove General Palovich then allow elections watched under the International community to see who the winner would be.

So you admit to espionage of our operations now, it seems?

Our flag flies above the Grozny presidential site to represent the interim authority of the Brettonian Army. Once we have reclaimed General Palovich and instilled him in his just position of authority, we shall have he and his fellow Chechens raise their own flag once again.

Nation of Quebec response

If that is your wish, then we will send in Peacemakers to ensure that these small businesses are indeed protected. However, any action taken against the small businesses and our Peacemakers will result in us delcaring war.

Err, we would like to take this moment to define our use of the word "Peacemaker."

We do not refer to a peacekeeper, as in an individual that creates and protects peace, but our A7V Peacemaker (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=444410) multi-legged tank.

Just to ensure that there is no confusion.

So you admit to espionage of our operations now, it seems?

Our flag flies above the Grozny presidential site to represent the interim authority of the Brettonian Army. Once we have reclaimed General Palovich and instilled him in his just position of authority, we shall have he and his fellow Chechens raise their own flag once again.

No, the elected government of Shanz asked for him to be removed. SO we took him in. They were prepared to execute him, so we brought him here. We will not accept you appointing a illegitimate leader to Chechen Republic but we will not allow him to be appointed, we are willing to have elections held in Chechen Republic.

Nation of Quebec response

If that is your wish, then we will send in Peacemakers to ensure that these small businesses are indeed protected. However, any action taken against the small businesses and our Peacemakers will result in us delcaring war.

What for? It is not like we have wild mobs going around attacking capitalists. However, we are willing to allow several peacemakers.

To avoid confusion, our definition of peacemaker is a squardron of armed soldiers complete with fully powered and operational tanks protected by a semi-permibable membrane. They won't attack, unless provoked.

No, the elected government of Shanz asked for him to be removed. SO we took him in. They were prepared to execute him, so we brought him here. We will not accept you appointing a illegitimate leader to Chechen Republic but we will not allow him to be appointed, we are willing to have elections held in Chechen Republic.

No, it is your party who is in error. Democracy is a quaint experiment in government that is best suitable in groups of fifteen people or less. In short, it is completely ill-suited to operate the government of a sovereign nation.

Your ill-fated concepts of democracy sow poison and discord among a population and only lead to pointless partisanship between the political parties who have power that week.

Military rule is the only rule we accept as a legitimate form of government, and we shall stand by our belief in this as we always have and always will.

We do not appoint a leader; to do so would undermine a nation's solidarity. We simply ensure that all is as it is meant to be and iron out the kinks of society, in the name of stability.

The Chechen people rose up to claim their rightful authority with General Palovich, and were sucker punched by the international community. We will not let this stand! General Palovich is the just ruler of the Chechen Republic, and ruler he shall be!

Official Minnechusettsfornia Government Statement

While Minnechusettsfornia is not itself a communist nation, we note that Union Canadas position, while noticably a bit extreme, is not untenable and appears to have been adopted gladly by their citizens. We would support a treaty allowing partial capitalism in Union Canada, however threats of military action against another nation due purely to their economic philosophy is not tolerable. We condemn any such threats, and are willing to offer economic and, if needed, military aid to Union Canada. In making such threats, these nations have demonstrated the darker side of capitalism. However, we urge that both parties attempt to be more understanding of the other, and seek a peaceful solution to this needless conflict.

Also... Bretton's position is untenable, and we reccomend that Union Canada ignore its clearly imperialist totalitarian arguments, and allow cooler heads to prevail.

In hopes of peace and diversity
-President Theodore Reynolds
-Senate Leader Miles Alexander

Our positions are untenable? Who are you to suggest that we have an untenable position?

It is our belief that a nation that is not dedicated to maintaining order and security is untenable. Judging by your budgetary calculations, your argument is untenable. Yet, you do not see us flagrantly accusing you of wrongdoing.

We did not step in to conquer the Chechen Republic.

We stepped in to aid the Chechen people through a turbulent time of revolution, and you call us 'imperialist'? You, sir, are the type of filth that has denegrated the international community to the status of spineless, emotionless sacks of manifested uselessness.

If conquest were our goal, we would not be bothering with attempting to retrieve the kidnapped General Palovich. We would not preserve the life of President Shanz, as we believe he still has a role to play with his nation. And we would not make every attempt to preserve Chechen life, even at the expense of the lives of our own soldiers.

Perhaps you should consider your repugnant social and economic implications to the world around you before you judge a nation ruled by the strong as being 'untenable.' Good day!

OOC: Tag, because thread tools aren't working and this looks interesting...occasionally I find myself wishing I hadn't gone FT.

To: Our Comrades of Union Canada
From: The Supreme Comrade Generalissmo
New Nicksyllvania Wishes to Donate $800 Billion to Union Canada to assist in the Transition towards a more State Orientated Economy and to aid in the Defence from Fascist Devils.

Nicksyllvania is also Prepared to assist in your countries Defence should you require it.

Thank you for your aid. However, we believe that a negotiated settlement on both issues can be solved.

To World Nations:

We are willing to discuss limited-capitalism and on the side solve the problem of General Palovich where anyone from any economic market-economy can discuss and solve these issues. We believe violence is not the solution.

Cadiz, Hatarian Spain.

General Asuka's Plane landed in Cadiz, where the Imperial Invasion Armada was getting ready to start off. Asuka looked at the Armada. "So, this is what will give us Victory over The Union Canadan 'Military' " She said. "Our latest Reports says that Union Canada does not have a Big Navy or Army, Same with their Air Force." a aide Said. "Good, easy War Means more time to Set up a New Government in Union Canada." Asuka said and headed to The Flag Ship, the Grand Battleship Neherenia.

The Armada

6 Imperium Class Aircraft Carriers (with 56 Banka-67 Fighter Bombers on Each Ship)
5 Oni Class Heilcopter Carriers (with 67 Cobrahawk Attack Heilcopters on each Ship)
23 Republic Class Destroyers
1 Neherenia Class Grand Battleship
18 Empress Serena Class light Battleships
20 Dead Moon Class Missile Curisers
17 Empire Class Destroyers
14 Sailor Stars Class Attack Frigate
17 Minesweepers
20 Tangalee Class Attack Submarines
50 Troop Carrier
19 Gun-ho Class Gunships

130 Divisions with 50,000 Imperial Grand Army Troopers, 100 CT-24 Main Battle Tanks, 189 RT-89 Light Battle Tanks, 100 Howitzers (with Crew) 99 Humvees, 119 Mortars (with Mortarmen) and 23 Jeeps armed with M-60 Machine Guns in each Division.

The Armada soon headed out to sea, ready for War.

AP: President of ASoGM issues statement

Today, The president issued a statement about the growing conflict between Union Canada and more capitalist nations. He was qouted as saying, "We hope that this crisis can be peacefully negociated. We would also like to offer humanitarian aid to any refugees (from either side), that might need it."

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Union Canadian forces were awesome and prepared to fight any invader. They had prepared alot of forces for fighting. Even though some soldiers were corrupt, they were beginning to root that out and with a ton of new tanks and armaments they were prepared for any invasion. And with a ton of AA guns and other kinds of armaments they were prepared for war.

However, most Canadians were too peaceful to go for war and the government declared;

"We are open to peace with any capitalist nation that isn't a imperialist thug in disquise."

The Hatarian Plan was esay, Start a Invasion of Union Canada and Destroy any Defense the nation might have. Already, War Satellites were above UC, armed with Missile with High Expolesive Warhead, targeting their Capital City (Government Buildings and Near by Military Bases Mostly.)

After The War, the Hatarians Planned to start a new government in UC, a Imperial Republic like Hataria's, with a Economy like Japan's and Hataria's. Capitalism would return in UC, even if they had to Blast half of that Nation.

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OFFICE OF HER MAJESTY's COLONIAL DEEPWATER NAVAL OPERATIONS [CODNO
To All Whom it May Concern,

Her Majesty's Naval Office, in light of the recent situation, hereby declares Hataria an illegal, aggressive, dictatorship. We declare, supported by the Government of Questers, that Hataria has no right to the sovereign land of Union Canada and its real leader, Martin Sanderson. We set forth this ultimatum:
Her Majesty's Foreign Ultimatum: 311
ARTICLE A.) We RECOGNISE that General Palovich and his government is the sovereign government to Union Canada.
SUBARTICLE A.) We DO NOT RECOGNISE Hataria's claim to Union Canadian land.
SUBARTICLE B.) We DO NOT ADVISE Hatarian use of force to claim said land.
ARTICLE B.) We DEMAND that Hataria withdraws military forces and halts their obviously imminent attack on Union Canada.
SUBARTICLE A.) We DECLARE that if Hataria fails to compromise, we shall take any further step neccessary.
SUBARTICLE B.) We DECLARE That if Hataria fails to compromise, we shall do whatever it takes to defend the sovereignty of Union Canada.
ARTICLE C.) We AFFIRM an Aid Package of 450 Million USD for Union Canada to stabilise its economy and purchase weaponry.
SUBARTICLE A.) We AFFIRM the redeployment of already ocean-going forces to defend Union Canada.
SUBARTICLE B.) We AFFIRM an aid package consisting of 80 Challenger IIs, 140 Bradley M6 Linebackers, and 40 AS90 Mobile Artillery units, with 1400 FN FALs, to be flown into Union Canada.
SUBARTICLE C.) We ADVISE that Hataria does not fire upon this relief convoy.

230 Nautical Miles Off Union Canada
The Helicopter Carrier Essex and its sister ship, Enterprise, with their full battlegroup, sit in the ocean, dormant. Further ahead, the battlecruiser Malaya is prowling the ocean with her escorts. The Commander of Task Group: Sovereign Defence, Rear Admiral Flattle, is worried.

"Ensign - repeat satellite track. Approximate enemy vessels, please."

The Ensign does so easily, and reports back a full list of Hatarian vessels - with a few mistakes, accounting for a not-full knowledge of the Hatarian Navy.

"Sir, we are outnumbered approximately 6-1." the Ensign replies. The XO of the vessel, First Lieutenant Harper listened intently.

"Sir, I suggest we withdraw. We are no match for their fleet, clearly."

But Flattle is sure of his capabilities.

"No, First Lieutenant. Ensign, move the Task Force closer to Union Canada. Keep up those ASW CAPs and UCAV patrols and bring the Malaya closer to us."

"Aye sir!"

The Essex had been running its ASW helicopter complement for a week now, scanning below the surface for enemy submarines. If there was one, it would be found. In addition, the twelve UCAVs of the Essex were on constant flights. Soon later, the slender form of the HMS Malaya hove into view as she pulled alongside the Essex, raising her "hello" flags.

Quietly as the grave, the two "Resolution" class Submarines, the HMSu Revenge and the HMSu Royal Oak split off from the fleet, dropping down to their maximum depth of 550~ metres and began to head towards the Hatarian fleet.

From: Rear Admiral Flattle, Questarian Royal Navy
To: Union Canada High Command
Greetings,
Our Task Force is on hand, tasked with the defence of your country. We woul d be glad of any assistance and we would like to send a naval attache' to your country so we can properly communicate.

OOC: General Palovich is a coup-member from Chechen Republic who tried to overthrow the Chechen Republic government. he is in jail for the coup.

Martin Sanderson is the leader of Union Canada.

Encrypted communique to the Hatarian foreign ministry or equivalent organization

It would seem at least some of the powers that be are not in favor of our actions. Nevertheless, we made a commitment to General Palovich, and we intend to hold up in our promise.

Since it seems you and us are the only powers currently moving to make good on our anti-socialist stances on things, we are currently scrambling air assets. We shall rely on your forces to achieve a grip on the Canadian territory whilst we provide air supremacy and interdiction against both Canadian and foreign assets.

Keep us posted of any further details that may be necessary. With any luck, we shall restore the free market to Union Canada and liberate the General with minimal bloodshed and destruction of highly sophisticated war technology.

---

Brettonian homeland

Chancellor Donner had arrived personally, despite the bitter cold, to see off the fleet of Arbiter II (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452252) bombers, some of which had just returned from bombing targets of opportunity in the Chechen Republic days earlier. Their payload now primarily consisted of antishipping, antiradiation, and antiaircraft missiles. As the stealths passed the air base's control tower, each crewmember saluted in its direction. The Chancellor and his bodyguards, braving the inclemate weather, returned the salute from an external observation platform. In short order the bombers were in the air, contrails already forming due to the high moisture and biting temperature.

OOC: Oh, I see. Well, edited. An IC response might be nice=.=;

The Union Canada government thanks most peaceful nations that acknowledge that our action was rash but support that with limited capitalism the situation can be reduced. However, two imperialist nations Hataria and Bretton want to colonize Union Canada. We are willing ot discuss with Bretton about General Palovich, but we will not budge on Hataria imperialist tendencies that have mentioned that they will kill all Canadian citizens. With our 500,000 forces ready we will like any military aid possible that might defeat these imperialists.

The Union Canada government thanks most peaceful nations that acknowledge that our action was rash but support that with limited capitalism the situation can be reduced. However, two imperialist nations Hataria and Bretton want to colonize Union Canada. We are willing ot discuss with Bretton about General Palovich, but we will not budge on Hataria imperialist tendencies that have mentioned that they will kill all Canadian citizens. With our 500,000 forces ready we will like any military aid possible that might defeat these imperialists.

OOC: And now we see the flaw of having multiple nations...

OOC: I asked for More Help and I am not Trying to Colonize UC, I am trying to do regime change.

OOC: I asked for More Help and I am not Trying to Colonize UC, I am trying to do regime change.
This means our governments can't use imperialism and aggression as propaganda ... because?

To: Bretton, Hataira
From: Nation of Quebec

We will support you in your struggle. You will not have to fight these communist oppressors on your own. We will send whatever forces we can spare. Fellow capitalist nations Pallazia and Kantoriuma will be sending in whatever forces they can. Please give us instructions as to where our mighty fleets should be placed. May the light of Kantor guide us in our struggle.

Chris Archer
1337sauce Master of Foreign Affairs

New Nicksyllvania Hereby Declares War on the Fascist Pigs of Hataria
By Orders of Supreme Comrade Generalissmo Nicholas Masakaze Sawatsky and approved by Emperor Masakaze Sawatsky.

70 Divisions and 3 Imperial Guard Divisions will be sent to Union Canada. And A Battle bleet Consisting of:
2 Super-Dreadnaughts
7 Battleships/Dreadnaughts
23 Cruisers
92 Destroyers/Frigates

Nicksyllvania also Donates a further $2 Trillion to Union Canada, and offers to install Nuclear Missiles in their country for their Defence.

New Nicksyllvania Hereby Declares War on the Fascist Pigs of Hataria
By Orders of Supreme Comrade Generalissmo Nicholas Masakaze Sawatsky and approved by Emperor Masakaze Sawatsky.

70 Divisions and 3 Imperial Guard Divisions will be sent to Union Canada. And A Battle bleet Consisting of:
2 Super-Dreadnaughts
7 Battleships/Dreadnaughts
23 Cruisers
92 Destroyers/Frigates

Nicksyllvania also Donates a further $2 Trillion to Union Canada, and offers to install Nuclear Missiles in their country for their Defence.
When the war outbreaks, The Federation will engage with the warmongering reckless communist dogs of New Nicksyllvania in the protection of governmental freedom.

The Brettonian government and people shall remain in solidarity with our allies. Though we would prefer to end this without combat, we shall not hesitate to neutralize those who stand before us. No quarter will be given; this is your final notice.

The free market will be restored to Union Canada, and General Palovich will be freed from his kidnappers.

[OOC: Just a question... With Union Canada's entire economic infrastructure going to hell with the overnight collapse of capitalism and the overthrow of all capitalist businesses, along with the overnight creation of universal healthcare and education combined with dramatic decreases in the price of food throughout UC, how does UC have enough money to support soldiers? I sincerely doubt that 600,000 out of not 30 million citizens would jump up at the chance to go get themselves killed fighting for their country and getting very little or no pay for it, along with poor equipment and weapons, especially since by ousting all of the capitalist businesses (which, is essentially, all businesses) you no doubt put a lot of people out of work (at least temporarily) or ruined their life savings. The economic implications would be an economic depression and/or inflation of your currency--you can't just magically avoid this. You shut down all businesses, universalized education and healthcare, and cheapened food--and now you are supporting a decently-sized army. What with the inflation that will come with such rapid economic changes (particularly since banks are, for the most part, extremely capitalist as well), your government should, essentially, be out of money. The way to get around this would be highering taxes immensly on your people which would, in turn, probably cause riots and rebellions seeing as they are already making less money than they were just because one group killed five people and now anyone who likes to earn money for a living is out of a job.
/end question.]

[OOC: Just a question... With Union Canada's entire economic infrastructure going to hell with the overnight collapse of capitalism and the overthrow of all capitalist businesses, along with the overnight creation of universal healthcare and education combined with dramatic decreases in the price of food throughout UC, how does UC have enough money to support soldiers? I sincerely doubt that 600,000 out of not 30 million citizens would jump up at the chance to go get themselves killed fighting for their country and getting very little or no pay for it, along with poor equipment and weapons, especially since by ousting all of the capitalist businesses (which, is essentially, all businesses) you no doubt put a lot of people out of work (at least temporarily) or ruined their life savings. The economic implications would be an economic depression and/or inflation of your currency--you can't just magically avoid this. You shut down all businesses, universalized education and healthcare, and cheapened food--and now you are supporting a decently-sized army. What with the inflation that will come with such rapid economic changes (particularly since banks are, for the most part, extremely capitalist as well), your government should, essentially, be out of money. The way to get around this would be highering taxes immensly on your people which would, in turn, probably cause riots and rebellions seeing as they are already making less money than they were just because one group killed five people and now anyone who likes to earn money for a living is out of a job.
/end question.]

OOC: New Nicksyllvania has donated a total of 2.8 Trillion Dollars to help the Transition to a State Economy and to help develop its military.

And yes, 600,000 people would join the army to defend against invaders. Patriotism and Nationalism, plus a belief in the Socialist cause will make some people fight to there death provided they have weapons.

OOC: New Nicksyllvania has donated a total of 2.8 Trillion Dollars to help the Transition to a State Economy and to help develop its military.

And yes, 600,000 people would join the army to defend against invaders. Patriotism and Nationalism, plus a belief in the Socialist cause will make some people fight to there death provided they have weapons.
OOC: Except Socialist nations are against military intervention in conflicts and are poorly-armed, poorly-trained, and under-funded.

From: Grand Senate of the Allied Union
To: All Nations Involved
RE: Hatarian Declaration of War on Union Canda

It appears that the warmongers of Hataria and Bretton cannot slake their thirst for bloodshed.

Hataria, you and your bumbling idiocy of a government (and military) would do best to remember the Questerian and Velkyan defeat of their military machine when you tried to "liberate" Questerian Singapore and Jamaica from their rightful owners.

Bretton, this is completely unacceptable. While Union Canada may have overstepped it's boundaries in arresting a foreign official (no matter how power-hungry or "strong"), such problems could easily be resolved in negotiations that were offered to be held in Velkya. In addition, invading a peaceful nation with a tiny military because of an internal change of economic policy is unacceptable. Was it not yourself who aided the Kraven machine because the Anti-Kraven Alliance "violated its sovereignty"?

The Federation of Amazonian Beasts would do well not to contradict itself, as the nation of Hataria was the original aggressor of this conflict, not the "warmongering communists". Also, just what governmental freedom are you seeking to protect? You're own to do whatever you damn well please?



Please, practice what you preach.

Even so, the real threat of Hatarian attack against Union Canada (who has already agreed to bring back partial capitalism once investiagation of alleged pro-capitalist terrorist activities) has stood out. It is clear that cooler heads have not prevailed, at least in Hataria. We invite the nations involved in this senseless war to calm down and sit down at the table of peace and brotherhood before it is too late.

Unless of course, the intentions of the Brettonian and Hatarian governments are not what they appear.

-End Transmission-

(OOC: Honestly, Bretton, Hataria, picking on a brand new nation because of a economic change. You really show be ashamed of ourselves, you know exactly how this will end.)

OOC: Except Socialist nations are against military intervention in conflicts and are poorly-armed, poorly-trained, and under-funded.
OOC: For Liberal Socialists, yes. But Socialism doesn't nessecerily have to be Peaceful, like the Militaristic Socialism in Japan.

Also these people are defending their Country, there much more willing to fight. They'll just tend to have shoddy weaponry, but even then shoddy weapons can do damage, like in Iraq and Vietnam.

OOC: Of course we know how this will end. Union Canada will delay this long enough for the Anti-Kraven Alliance to assemble again and start bombarding my assets with orbital godrod stations for the umpteenth time. Time is of the essence if we intend to accomplish anything before you so-and-sos get your stuff together and annihilate my armies from the relative safety of space yet again.

For the record, you can drop the AKA monkier from here on out; I supported AMF in sacking Kraven 'cause he's the type of scum I don't enjoy associating with. Contributing 10% of our populations to production of more Saudakar? Stationing the freak Capitol Police in all of our nations? Yeah, right. I think not.

In any case. You should be happy Kraven isn't involved in this bit. I'm not sure about Hataria, but I don't intend to cause civilian casualties if I can help it. The faster Union Canada restores the free market and hands over General Palovich, the sooner our cause of anti-socialism will no longer apply to them.

The Federation condemns the slander from the mouths of those in Velkya, as New Nickyllsavania has blatantly declared war as negotiations continued. The violation of a fellow capitalist nation will not be tolerated.

OOC:
Union Canada will delay this long enough for the Anti-Kraven Alliance to assemble again and start bombarding my assets with orbital godrod stations again. Time is of the essence if we intend to accomplish anything before you so-and-sos get your stuff together and annihilate my armies from the relative safety of space yet again.

I'm sorry if you have any bad feelings since the war three months ago, but I find it sad that everyone is simply ganging up on a nation that can barely defend itself. I've made no mention of either reforming the AKA or taking military action (unless provoked, which Hataria, who can seemingly only go to war, has done). Notice that I trying to get everyone to sit down, calm the hell down, and resolve this before we lose Union Canada from NS, not godrod your armies to death.

Of course, if you insist on invading a nation like UC, I'm sure I could break out the rod cannons again. Remember, it was your choice to take all those losses, not mine.

Back to the current RP.

IC:

From: Grand Senate of the Allied Union
To: Government of Amazonian Beasts
RE: Hatarian Declaration of War

We note that New Nickyllsavania officially declared war after Hataria, ignoring offers to negotiate, declared war on Union Canada. We are trying, quite desperatly, to attempt to play the devil's advocate in this matter, but the anti-socialist forces in this conflict are blatantly lying to their fellow nations about a tiny country who, with the support of the population, are switching to a more publicly owned economy. We encourage them to come clean and reveal their true agendas to the world. At any rate, we must also implore that the warring nations, including New Nickyllsavania, Bretton, Hataria, Questeria, and yourselves, stay their weapons so that a peaceful solution can be developed before the ugly spectre of war can appear.

As for this situation with a certain General Palovich, we are sure that can be resolved as well.

-End Transmission-

My country will dedicate our special forces and main army of 100,000 to assist in this assalt on union canada

OOC:


I'm sorry if you have any bad feelings since the war three months ago, but I find it sad that everyone is simply ganging up on a nation that can barely defend itself. I've made no mention of either reforming the AKA or taking military action (unless provoked, which Hataria, who can seemingly only go to war, has done). Notice that I trying to get everyone to sit down, calm the hell down, and resolve this before we lose Union Canada from NS, not godrod your armies to death.

Of course, if you insist on invading a nation like UC, I'm sure I could break out the rod cannons again. Remember, it was your choice to take all those losses, not mine.

Back to the current RP.

IC:

From: Grand Senate of the Allied Union
To: Government of Amazonian Beasts
RE: Hatarian Declaration of War

We note that New Nickyllsavania officially declared war after Hataria, ignoring offers to negotiate, declared war on Union Canada. We are trying, quite desperatly, to attempt to play the devil's advocate in this matter, but the anti-socialist forces in this conflict are blatantly lying to their fellow nations about a tiny country who, with the support of the population, are switching to a more publicly owned economy. We encourage them to come clean and reveal their true agendas to the world. At any rate, we must also implore that the warring nations, including New Nickyllsavania, Bretton, Hataria, Questeria, and yourselves, stay their weapons so that a peaceful solution can be developed before the ugly spectre of war can appear.

As for this situation with a certain General Palovich, we are sure that can be resolved as well.

-End Transmission-


Official Governmental Statement

We would be willing to seek a diplomatic situation to the problem at hand, but if fighting were to break out, do not expect our nation to heed your threats or promises unless all parties were to do so.

My country will dedicate our special forces and main army of 100,000 to assist in this assalt on union canada

While we appreciate your efforts to the greater cause of restoring the free market, we can't help but envision your assistance would be minimal at best.

Rather than expending your tiny military in this invasion (rather like throwing an apple at a truck, if you ask me), you could assist us in logistical operations, thus allowing more of our seasoned veterans to get to the front lines faster.

Of course, you are under no obligation; this is simply a suggestion.

From: Grand Senate of the Allied Union
To: Government of Amazonian Beasts
RE: Hatarian Declaration of War on Union Canada

The Senate commends the government of Amazonian Beasts as the first anti-socialist nation to act in an at least partially sane manner. However, as the launch of aerial assets from Bretton and the naval fleets of Questeria and Hataria show, this conflict is close to the bursting point, and we require the cooperation of all nations involved to see that it does not reach it.

-End Transmission-

We applaud the effort of the Velkyan foreign ministry attempting to disarm the highly volatile situation at hand. However, until we have further spoken with our allies and until the socialist pigs have reversed their actions, we are locked in this course of action. We will be in touch.

---

International waters off the Union Canadian coast

The fleet of Arbiter II bombers had seperated into two forces. The bombers without drones, invisible to radar and thermal scanning, flew ahead, while the more heavily armed of the fleet held back, waiting for word from the lead.

"Commander, the feed from the orbital satellites is back," the lead bomber's navigator stated.

"Well, let's see it," the aircraft commander said.

"A substantial fleet has taken up location some 400 kilometers off the coast. It would appear these units have sided with the Canadian socialists," the officer reported. The commander nodded.

"Contact #7, order him to do a low-level flyby of the enemy fleet. Inform them of our course of actions via Morse. He is not to attack the enemy unless they attack him first. Understood?" the commander inquired.

"Understood, commander."

---

The large stealth bomber approached the Questrian fleet at low speed and altitude, marginally above stalling. It began making a long, sweeping bank, exposing the top of its fuselage to the fleet. A signal light began blinking, sending out a message in Morse Code.

This is the Brettonian Army Air Force Expeditionary Corps.
We are mobilizing to restore the free market in Union Canada.
We also intend to rescue the kidnapped Chechen, Gen. Palovich.
We do not wish to cause any more death or destruction than is necessary.
To this effect, we suggest you and other foreign naval assets evacuate this area presently.
If you do not comply, we will be forced to regard you as enemy assets.
We present this offer to you in the name of the spirit of chivalry.
We advise you to accept it.
Out.

The bomber turned away and fired its afterburners, rapidly accelerating and gaining altitude again.

Announcement from the Supreme Comrade Generalissmo of Head Administrative Affairs of the Semi-Democratic Social Collectivist Imperium of New Nicksyllvania.

Nicksyllvania seeks only to protect Union Canada from the Warmongering Fascist Pigs. Our Military Forces are merely being sent to protect, we are of course widely open to negotiations, however we are fully prepared for War.

OOC: Except Socialist nations are against military intervention in conflicts and are poorly-armed, poorly-trained, and under-funded.

Fuck, did the USSR, China, North Korea, and Cuba just dissapear over night?

(OOC: Bretton, that's alot of morse. You sly coder, you.)

From: Grand Senate of the Allied Union
To: All Nations Involved
RE: Hatarian Declaration of War

While Bretton has shown some relent in their detirmination to invade Union Canada (an good sign indeed), we must point out that Union Canada has agreed to allow the limited return of the free market to it's citizens after pro-capitalist terrorist activities have been investiagated. In order to aid such investigations and speed the return of freedom of market, Velkya offers to send several intelligence officers specialized in rooting out dangerous individuals such as terrorists and foreign "instigators". In addition to this, the Allied Union has sent a telegram (OOC: I'll send it at about 8:45 PM, I've got to go to a school function soon) to the Union Canada government outlining the benefits of a capitalist system over that of communism. Provided Bretton can keep their hands off their weapons for a few days, we may also throw in a good word for General Pallovich.

New Nicksyllvania, please refrain from slinging insults at foreign governments, such talk can and will instigate unnessacry conflict.

We will support talks between UC and Hataria and her allies. We send the RNS John D. Rockfeller, to make sure the talks happen.

HMS Duke of Wessex, 905 Nautical Miles from Union Canada
The Duke of Wessex had been on international patrol for almost three months. She was due back to her closest port very soon, and so her crew and the rest of the battlegroup (Task Force: Wessex) were obviously irritated when their journey home was re-scheduled.

Important STOP Head bearing 190 degrees STOP assist Task Force Canadian Sovereignty STOP following CODNO Ultimatum 311 STOP deploy troops as neccessary STOP.

Slowly but surely, the Duke of Wessex swung around and began her long journey down to Union Canada, its fleet following behind it, CAPs from both aircraft and ASW HELOs filling the sky.

Task Force Wessex
HMS Duke of Wessex (http://s15.invisionfree.com/QAESystems/index.php?showtopic=5)
HMS Intrepid (Illustrious Class CVN~600 planes)
HMS Astartes (Attacker Class CVN~100 planes)
HMS Cricketeer (http://s15.invisionfree.com/QAESystems/index.php?showtopic=2)
10 Port Class CLG
20 Town Class DDGN
20 Corporate Class FFG
15 Resolution Class SSGN
20 Retail Class DLGN (http://s15.invisionfree.com/QAESystems/index.php?showtopic=1)


Task Group: Canadian Sovereignty
As the Brettonian (sp?) bomber dived down, the heavy RADAR and LADAR of the small Questarian fleet picked it up at 8,000 feet, all manner of guns from 20mm autocannons to missile tracking systems turned upon it. Until it delivered its message there was much debate about what to do. However, it was clear this was not an offensive mission, although it did warrant a response.

Rear Admiral Flattle had never heard of Bretton - probably some backwater nation somewhere - he sent out a response on all frequences.

"Hah. Not going to happen, sorry. In fact, we severely suggest that you do NOT open fire upon our naval units. Just go home now, or someone is going to get a bloody nose."

International airspace

"So that's it, then," the radio-intercept officer reported.

"The foreign naval assets have rejected our overtures. Pity," the aircraft commander remarked. "Very well. Prepare antishipping missiles for launch. We'll continue to loiter a little longer, but be prepared to fire at a moment's notice."

"Sir!" the bombardier responded sharply, programming the missiles for their targets.

(OOC: Pride kills.)

Parliment Buildings of Nation of Quebec
1337sauce Master Jay Coates' Office

"Sir, Union Canada has not met our demands" a man reported to his leader.

"Very well then. They leave us little choice" Jay said sternly.

"You mean" the man asked.

"Yes. These communist pig dogs refuse to listen to our demands. Have our fleet meet with the Bretton and Hatarian fleets. Inform Pallazia and Kantoriuma that we're going along with the invasion" Jay ordered.

"Yes 1337sauce Master" the man said as he left.

"May Kantor have mercy on our souls."

With War now on, The Hatarians soon started a tonnge War. All UC and Questers Ships were now targets for Subs and Surface Raiders.

The Ministry of The Navy soon sent this Message out

To All Nations not Joining the War.

The Waters around Union Canada have been declared a War Zone All enemy shiping will be Sunk at first sight.

In Space, The War Satellites soon Launched their Missile at the enemy Capital City. Their targets were Government Buildings and Near by Bases. Even Their presedental house was a Target.

UC Waters. 100 knots from the enemy Task Force

The Fleet soon started the Attack. The Ships started Fireing Cruise Missiles with Napalm Warheads, while The Carriers soon Starting Sending The Planes up. The Subs were heading for the enemy Fleet at full Speed.

The John D. Rockfeller left the area as quick as possible.

SSBN-1012 HMSu Victorious, Antarctica

"Sir, patching orders through from CODNO."

"Alright Ensign." Commander Jenkins blew another puff from his pipe. "Hm." he said, reviewing the orders. Since this was a direct order from CODNO, there was no need for forms. He did pass etiquette, however, handing over a form to the XO, First Lieutenant Meller. Meller briefly signed it, handing it back, as Jenkins stamped it.


The SSBN Victorious was part of the "Victory" class Nuclear Missile Submarines. Each SSBN worked with its sister ship, in this case the Victory. One was loaded with heavy tactical/strategic conventional missiles (SLCBM) and one was loaded with strategic nuclear missiles (SLNBM). Each boat was capable of carrying up to 30 large missiles.

A minute or two later, the SSBN was preparing to fire.

"Gunnery, pass firing test."

A small empty tube popped open, testing whether ice had sealed them closed. It had not.

"Fire on T-Minus 5."

Five seconds later, the Victorious began to unleash its payload. One heavy tactical conventional re-entry missile, each planned to hit a Hatarian combat satellite. Each missile was fast and powerful enough to completely destroy, or at least knock out, a single satellite.

"Admiral, we are detecting a large amount of heat Signatures to the North East, I expect it is the Hatrian Fleet"
"Signal Level 4 Battle Stations Immediately, fire upon the Fascist Scum!"
"We also are detecting several Missiles coming from Sattelites"
"Report to the Supreme Council and request a Counter Satelitte strike."

Cruise missiles, VLMs, and Rocket Assisted Projectiles Were fired at the Hatarian Fleet. Fighters Were scrambled, Bombers were put on Standby for future action.

Nicksyllvanian Fleet:
2 Super-Dreadnaughts
4 Dreadnaughts
2 Carriers
6 Battleships
5 Escort Carriers
23 Cruisers
67 Destroyers
52 Frigates
1800 Fighters
250 Bombers

"Admiral, we are detecting a large amount of heat Signatures to the North East, I expect it is the Hatrian Fleet"
"Signal Level 4 Battle Stations Immediately, fire upon the Fascist Scum!"
"We also are detecting several Missiles coming from Sattelites"
"Report to the Supreme Council and request a Counter Satelitte strike, we don't have anything to assist them at this distance."

Cruise missiles, VLMs, and Rocket Assisted Projectiles Were fired at the Hatarian Fleet. Fighters Were scrambled, Bombers were put on Standby for future action.

The Hatarians detected the incoming Missiles and Launched Anti Missile Defenses, while Starting to launch a Second Volley of Missiles, This time at The Nicks (Slang for the guys from NN), The Subs soon Turned to the Nicks and were going to attack.

OOC: You are Dead meat.

SSBN-1012 HMSu Victorious, Antarctica

"Sir, patching orders through from CODNO."

"Alright Ensign." Commander Jenkins blew another puff from his pipe. "Hm." he said, reviewing the orders. Since this was a direct order from CODNO, there was no need for forms. He did pass etiquette, however, handing over a form to the XO, First Lieutenant Meller. Meller briefly signed it, handing it back, as Jenkins stamped it.


The SSBN Victorious was part of the "Victory" class Nuclear Missile Submarines. Each SSBN worked with its sister ship, in this case the Victory. One was loaded with heavy tactical/strategic conventional missiles (SLCBM) and one was loaded with strategic nuclear missiles (SLNBM). Each boat was capable of carrying up to 30 large missiles.

A minute or two later, the SSBN was preparing to fire.

"Gunnery, pass firing test."

A small empty tube popped open, testing whether ice had sealed them closed. It had not.

"Fire on T-Minus 5."

Five seconds later, the Victorious began to unleash its payload. One heavy tactical conventional re-entry missile, each planned to hit a Hatarian combat satellite. Each missile was fast and powerful enough to completely destroy, or at least knock out, a single satellite.

the Satellites soon kissed their butts good bye (Inshort, They got Blasted.)

Off The Xindus West Coast Waters
The Nation of Quebec, Pallazian, and Kantorian Fleets

"The portals are holding steady" a crewman repoted.

"Good, order the fleets to go through them. They will appear near Union Canada waters. Turner, you're in charge. I'm going to use the experimental ship" said Chris Archer.

As Chris left the bridge of the Quebec flagship, The Enterprise he saw the many ships from the allied nations. When he looked up, he saw countless bomber and fighter planes. He hurried to the experimental spacecraft. Chris went inside and turned the main power on. Within seconds the ship was up in the air. It soon entered the portal and appeared in unfamilar waters.

"Now let's see if our contacts from the future were right. Powering all weapon banks"

RSS Trafalgar, Low Earth Orbit

The weak rays of Sol moved through the empty void of space at speeds even humanity could not hope to match. Within a few minutes they had covered the distance between the star itself and Terra; a few of the errant beams of light, hardly visible to the naked eye, bounced off of the darkened hull of the Trafalgar, the latest Wellington Class vessel in the Republican Space Force. With much of the Republican Space Force having left nearly a week ago to reinforce the Wellington against the Sephriothan threat, it was left to the Trafalgar and its escorts to patrol the spacial territory of the Grand Monarchy and ensure its protection.

A secondary duty for the RSF was also to keep watch over the tens of thousands of satellites that moved in constant geosynchronous orbits around Terra and ensure that they proved no threat to the Grand Monarchy or any of her allies. It was not an unusual coincidence, then, that the Trafalgar was in the portion of space that the Hatarian satellites were also positioned. Encrypted traffic to and fro this particular satellite system had caught the eye of RSF Command enough to order the Trafalgar into an LEO and watch the satellites for further developments. It had been done before, and it usually meant nothing; just another way to pass the time patrolling Terran space.

This time, however, was to be an exception. The LADAR suite on the bridge of the Trafalgar lit up as it began tracking multiple launches from the Hatarian satellites towards multiple unknown targets. The missile trajectories were tracked both by the Trafalgars LADAR officer and RSF personnel on the ground on Terra. This by itself was not an action to warrant much alarm - satellite systems had been fired before. However, once the Questarian missiles were launched from their aquatic holders and into the atmosphere towards the Hatarian satellites, it became a concern of the Trafalgar.

On the viewscreen of the Trafalgar, Commander Avril Hawkins watched with a curious detatchment as the Questarian missiles rocketed towards their targets. The viewscreen pixellated and enhanced every few seconds, the camera systems installed in the hull of the vessel tracking and updating the pictures of the missiles. Hawkins turned from the viewscreen as his Comms Officer, Ensign Dafrey, signalled to him. Holding a headset to one ear, she looked at him, frowning as she did.

"Commander, RSF Command has ordered us to track the Questarian missiles and ensure they destroy all the Hatarian satellites. If they have not, we are hereby ordered to track down and eliminate all remaining satellite attack systems to aid the Questarian fleet in Union Canadian waters." She turned away again, manipulating switches on her console. Hawkins nodded and turned to the Weapons Officer opposite Defray. "Lieutenant Jeffries. Activate Missile Cells One through Four and warm them up. Load with High Explosive and target any remaining satellites once the Questarian missiles have hit." The Officer nodded once and turned to his console.

The hull of the Trafalgar was marred of its brutal simplicity as the Missile Cells rose out of their recesses; they elevated a few degrees as Jeffries targeted them, inputting targeting data that would be continuosly updated until just before impact. The ports on the front of each Cell slid upwards to reveal the warheads of thirty small but deadly missiles. Now all they could do was wait, the Questarian missiles moving quickly and silently towards their goal.

Task Group: Canadian Sovereignty

"Sir, enemy have launched a missile attack."

"Very well." Flattle replied. "Begin defensive operations. Order the Royal Oak and the Revenge to attack."

"Aye sir!" The Ensign nodded.

Three of the anti-air destroys around the Eagle used IR and LADAR to pinpoint the sea skimming enemy missiles, and their extremely powerful "Baron" RADAR systems to track the high flying missiles. For destroyers designed to engage up to a hundred missiles each, this mission would be no problem. As a missile was tracked, each fired off fourty missiles towards specified targets.

The high speed "Monitor" missiles, so successfull against MassPwnage in Gibraltar, did not fail. Almost all of the missiles were knocked out, and the few that passed through the anti air grid were torn apart by CIWS and 20mm fire. However, a single missile did hit the Eagle in her forward hull - rocking the ship slightly, the napalm doing almost no damage at all to the steel hull.

The Revenge and the Royal Oak, edging towards the Hatarian battlefleet at 30km, began their attack run. Each fired eight of the heavy 28" nuclear "Swordfish" guided torpedoes - the same kind used against the Hatarians by a previous class of submarine at Singapore. It was then they began their missile attack - slowly firing their entire missile complements (54 each) of the sub-variant of the "Agincourt." The Agincourt would rise to 50m above sea level, where it would engage its RAMjet engines, and moving at mach 4 it would smash into a vessel with its 500kg heavy explosive warhead and its end height of 11m above sea level. The only targets where the aircraft carriers. Shortly afterwards, the two submarines pulled off into different directions, firing decoys and countermeasures.

The fleet began to use its rocket-assisted cannons to engage the Hatarian fleet, the battlecruiser Malaya opening fire with its 18" guns, and the fleet following suit with a multitude of 6" gunfire. The Malaya opened fire with a number of its VLS, letting loose with a hundred Agincourt missiles. The fleets air defence aircraft, a total of 36 STOVL "Cyclone" aircraft acting as CAPs.

The 30-strong ASW/ASAC fleet of helicopters picked up Hatarian submarines advancing on the battlefleet - immediately they dropped down and each fired a pair of "Catfish" 28" torpedoes and a pair of "Sea-Seeker" anti submarine missiles at the detected Hatarian submarines.

The Nicksyllvanian Fleet Maintained Formation, using their Anti-Missile Defences to fire down most of the Enemy Missiles, CIWS finished off any that managed to penetrate the Primary Defences. A Destroyers and a Frigate were hit and sunk, being on the Outskirts of the Formation, a single Missiles made it past the Defences and Fit a Battleship in the Primary Radar. The Ship will have to rely on another ship to provide targetting co-ordinates.

The Nicksyllvanian Fleet Fired another Volley of Missiles, while heading towards the Hatarian Fleet for Standard Cannon Range. Rocket Assisted Projectiles were continued to be fired from the 22" Cannons of the Super Dreadnoughts, and the 20" guns from the Battleships and Dreadnaughts

The Destroyers fired ASROCs at the Incoming Submarines, detecting them with High Frequency Sonar.

VERBAL IC:
-BlackHand headquarters-
"We've finally started our plan to get back at Hataria." "Then do it."

Secret IC:
#TRANSMISSION#
"## ## ### #### #### ###."

-Ocean-
A small min sub rose out from it's bottom depth, washing the sand that had settled on it off as it rose, it had been sitting there ever since the beginning of the situation, but now that Hataria was beginning it's attack, it was time to teach them a lesson. "Begin motion and head towards the engagement." It would be a half a days travel before they reached the rear of the Hatarian fleet.

The Hatarian Fleet was under Attack, 3 destroyers and a Empress Serena Class Light Battleship were Sunk by NN's fleet, The Subs launched decoys and countermeasures to Make sure they didn;t get hit, But the Big Damage was from The Questers Fleet, 4 Destroyers, ten Troop Carriers and 3 Cruisers were Blasted and ten Subs were down on the Bottom.

Asuka was Pissed, One The Bridge of The Neherenia, She watched as the enemy Pounded her Fleet. The Planes Started engageing The enemy Planes as they were Takeing off.

"Send The Fleet Closer, Engage The Questers Fleet at Point Blank Range!" Asuka Yelled. The Fleet Started to Move Closer to The enemy.

International airspace

"Commander, judging by the spy satellite feed, it's begun," the navigator reported.

"So it has. Allright, gentlemen, time to earn our keep," the aircraft commander proclaimed. "Wing One, operating in stealth configuration, will fly ahead and drop their missiles above the Questrian fleet. Simultaneously, Wing Two and Three will proceed at maximum speed and will deploy their missiles directly. Since the enemy is grouped in one area, do not deploy the drones until we're within missile range. This way, the enemy CIWS will not be able to put down a line of fire at missiles coming from three angles at once, including straight up. Obviously, we are to retreat once our missiles are depleted. Wing Four and Five will launch a probing attack against the Nicksyllvanian fleet. If their defenses withstand the barrage, the second wave will launch a similar attack as on the Questrians."

"I've relayed your orders to the rest of the air fleet, sir," the radio-intercept officer stated.

"Good. What's the status of Wing Six?" the commander inquired.

"They're still about an hour out, sir," the radar navigator remarked.

"Right. Wing Six will deploy its ASROCs against the Questrian fleet upon arrival. I'd say it's highly likely that they're packing at least a few submarines, so no sense in not planning ahead," the commander nodded. "That's that. Gentlemen, it's time to get this party started!" Popular among airmen since the Kahanistan Campaign, the radio-intercept officer began a playback of LIVE From Baghdad (http://rapidshare.de/files/13431045/LIVE_From_Baghdad.mp3.html).

The Arbiter II (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452252) fleet began splitting up to their various tasks.

400 kilometers out, the main force began firing its antishipping missiles. Thirty-five sailed out from under each bomber, followed a few moments thereafter by the release of the Middleman drones. The bomber force deployed eight drones from each of its number, totalling 192 drones. At the same time, the first wing, operating in full stealth, dropped its missiles directly above the Questrian fleet; gravity would assist the missiles on the way down while hampering the anti-missile defenses of the enemy fleet.

Even though it was simply a modern equivalent of the time old 'Hammer and Anvil' strategy, it still boasted impressive numbers: including the drones themselves, a full 2,622 missiles were now closing with the Questrian fleet, of which nearly 500 would hit from above simultaneously to those approaching in a linear fashion.

The Nicksyllvanian fleet was faring a little better, facing only 2,132 missiles, coming from an intermediate angle of attack.

The Brettonian air fleet quickly withdrew from the area upon depleting their arsenal.

I say we wait for UC to Reply to My Missile Strike.

[OOC: Sorry Bretton, but after careful deliberation, I have decided my best option here is to soft-ignore those aircraft. The design is entirely and completely faulty, and any other course of action I would have taken would have probably thrown this roleplay into argument. Take it how you like, but according to my forces, that attack from those aircraft never happened.]

RSS Trafalgar, High Earth Orbit

The Questarian missiles had hit their targets, slamming into the Hatarian satellies and destroying them completely. Small fragments floated through space, eventually to burn up in the atmosphere, but nothing remained of the space-born satellite system. Watching the viewscreen, Commander Hawkins grunted in satisfaction at a job well done. He turned to the Weapons Officer to order the Missile Cells to be retracted back into the hull, but was interrupted by Ensign Defay at the Comms Station. She twisted in her chair and faced Hawkins, face screwed up as she relayed a message from Terra. "Commander, the Questarian forces have engaged the Brettonian and Hatarian naval forces, and both sides have launched massive missile strikes at each other."

Hawkins frowned. It sounded like the two sides were going hammer and tong at each other, and he was glad to have a few thousand miles in between them and the Trafalgar. His thoughts were interrupted by Defay continuing her message from RSF Command. "RSF Command has ordered us to retarget our weapons systems and destroy a series of communication satellites - Brettonian ones. The coordinates are being transmitted now to the computer databank." Message finished, she turned back to her console to transmit a reciept of the message. Hawkins sat down in his chair, ran a hand through his hair was he was prone to do when nervous.

This was moving into dangerous territory, he had to admit. To destroy the satellite systems of a foreign power that was a neutral was admittedly somewhat of a risky move. On the other hand, they were being used to aid a large-scale attack on Questarian assets, which was inexcusable. Questers had been a great aid to the Grand Monarchy during the Civil War, and this would be a partial repayment to that large debt. He sighed and stood up, instinctively pulling down on his tunic to stop it creasing. He moved over to the Weapons suite and lay a hand on Jeffries' shoulder. "Lieutenant, activate all Missile Cells, reload them with the usual mixture of HE and Fragmentation warheads, and deploy them. Targets to be found in the computer database, relayed from RSF Command.

As Jeffries hunched over his console and began inputting the desired targeting data, Hawkins moved to the Helmsman and stood by the console. "Full power to the thruster array, move us towards the target coordinates and into optimal firing range of the satellite system." The Helmsman nodded and manipulated his controls. Within seconds the deck beneath Hawkins feet began to vibrate gently as the fission reactors came to full power and moved the ship forward. It took less than three minutes for the Trafalgar to move into position near to the coordinates, and the Helmsman throttled back the reactors, allowing the ship to 'coast' the rest of the way to the target. As the ship entered optimal firing range, the Helmsman fired the retarding thrusters at the front of the ship, slowing the large vessel down until it was near stationary. Jeffries nodded to Hawkins to signal he was ready, and Hawkins nodded once. "Deploy all Missile Cells. Fire."

With that order, all twelve missile cells rose out of their armoured recesses and slid into position. Once again they elevated and moved as they were independently targeted, then their covers slid back. With a final fraction of movement, the Cells were ready. There was a seconds delay, and then they fired, puffs of oxygen and pure air crystallising instantaneously as the missiles were thrust out of their chambers and launched towards their targets. For a few seconds they did nothing, allowing the motion of the firing sequence to provide their motion. Then their motors fired and they moved away at a speed rivaling several G-forces, flames licking behind them. In total, some 360 of the space-bound missiles rocketed towards the Brettonian satellites, moments away from hitting them.

EDIT: OOC: Given the ignore, whatever the results of said ignore, I'm still launching at your sats. You'll use them against Questers fleets anyway, and I like my space posts, so I don't like to delete them if at all possible.

[OOC: Sorry Bretton, but after careful deliberation, I have decided my best option here is to soft-ignore those aircraft. The design is entirely and completely faulty, and any other course of action I would have taken would have probably thrown this roleplay into argument. Take it how you like, but according to my forces, that attack from those aircraft never happened.]

OOC: Then bump the thread and explain why. Because it looks to me like you're just ignoring them to avoid taking losses.

OOC: Then bump the thread and explain why. Because it looks to me like you're just ignoring them to avoid taking losses.

In the same way you nuke Superdreadnoughts to avoid taking losses?

This aircraft is phsyically an impossible design. There's a high chance that it may not even take off - and if it does it won't even have space for neccessary electronics with AShMs that size.

OOC: There's thousands of far more ridiculous designs in the world than my humble Arbiter II. How about gunships that have onboard fusion reactors with free-electron lasers? AI-guided cruise missiles with indefinate loiter times? The so-called 50/50 orbital bombers that are somehow considered PMT?

You've got hardly anything to stand on here. If you're going to ignore my bombers, I'll just ignore your whole navy. How's that sound?

EDIT: Oh, that's cute. Gonna make fun of me in your signature now? I wonder if that constitutes harassment...

The so-called 50/50 orbital bombers that are somehow considered PMT?

You've got hardly anything to stand on here. If you're going to ignore my bombers, I'll just ignore your whole navy. How's that sound?

EDIT: Oh, that's cute. Gonna make fun of me in your signature now? I wonder if that constitutes harassment...

I'm not a PMT nation "per se".

Your choice.

No, but it was a good quote.

Imperialists? New Ausha is highly conservative, and fiercly capitalist, but we allow socialist/communost influence. However, with firm Conservative grasp on our nation, we are announcing the founding of the UCC. (The United Capitalist Confederacy) We establish and ordain this group, with full knowledge, that many other similar Unions exist. May the blessings of Capitalism secure us, in these times of turmoil. Also, New Ausha has officially forced the USNA (United Socialists of New Ausha) out of power. We do this as a measure, against the steady, encroachinment of these "twisted" idealologies on our nation. Hold frim Hataria, in your struggle.

As a side note, The lone Alliance is part of this Socialist World Order of some sort. We formely request that you cease support of the Communists. Failure to do so may result in the "strain" of millitary aid to your nation, or perhaps, a change in diplomatic stance...

Alexander P. Warolof
Minister of Foerign Affairs-New Ausha

OOC: To join the UCC simply telgram me, or state so in this thread.

(OOC: Thymnor is my MT puppet, can't be stuffed logging in as it.)

---Thymnor High Command---
"We've got a contact on Hatarian Military action on a relatively new socialist nation known as 'Union Canada'. Reccomend taking offensive action against Hataria - They've done this sort of thing for even more trivial reasons."

"Ah yes, who could forget the war on Questers for no apparent reason."

"As I recall, there was some vague reason, though I'm not sure what..."

"Nevertheless, we've got to defend this new socialist state - it is our duty as a vanguard of the people."

---Weeks later, in time for this post---
A considerable portion of the Thymnor Navy had arrived, alongside their aircraft escorts. Five of the six battlegroups were sailing against the Hatarians, with their shiny new fighter wings itching to be tested in real combat.

Arrogance precedes the fall, so Epsilon battlegroup comprising of the submarine hunters scouted ahead first, their quiet supercavitation engines masking their presence whilst they passively swept the sea for any sign of the Hatarians.

Admiral Zhefu radioed the NN forces to inform them of their allegiance and to avoid any embarassing friendly fire later in the conflict. Union Canada and Velkya were also informed.

OOC: Forces readout, naval only.

Thymnori Battlegroup Alpha
Datong, Colossus Class Aircraft Carrier
Haishi, Millenium Class Battleship
Wulong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Wenlong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Hualong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Yunlong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Taikang, Lurker Class Submarine
Taiping, Lurker Class Submarine
Dahe, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter

Thymnori Battlegroup Beta
Hainiao, Millenium Class Battleship
Haiying, Millenium Class Battleship
Haihu, Millenium Class Battleship
Tianlong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Xinglong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Guolong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Cailong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Minghe, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter
Anhe, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter
Taishan, Archer Class Anti-Air Cruiser
Huangshan, Archer Class Anti-Air Cruiser

Thymnori Battlegroup Gamma
Yinghao, Ranger Class Missile Cruiser
Yingde, Ranger Class Missile Cruiser
Yingshan, Ranger Class Missile Cruiser
Yinghui, Ranger Class Missile Cruiser
Hailong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Xinglong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Jilong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Tenglong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Taihe, Lurker Class Submarine
Taicang, Lurker Class Submarine

Thymnori Battlegroup Delta
Dahan, Colossus Class Aircraft Carrier
Wanglong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Gulong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Biaolong, Crusader Class Destroyer
Taihu, Lurker Class Submarine
Taizhao, Lurker Class Submarine
Zhenghe, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter

Thymnori Battlegroup Epsilon
Hequn, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter
Hezhong, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter
Hesheng, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter
Heshou, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter
Hechun, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter
Hegong, Piranha Class Submarine Hunter

Are you planning on ignoring anything you don't like as well, or are you the real deal here?

Nation of Quebec, Pallazian, and Kantorian Fleets
Near The Boundaries Near Union Canada

QAC Enterprise, Boundary Line

On the Enterprise Captain Turner was comtemplating a plan.

"Ensign, I want you to send a message to the Pallazian flagship PNF Davidov and the Kantorian flagship, KNF Membraine. Since our fleet and the Kantorian fleets are more powerful, we will lauch an offensive strike. The Pallazian fleet will stay on the defensive. They will defend our allies, assumng they actually respond to our messages."

The two massive fleets of subs, ships, and planes then entered Union Canada waters.

OOC: This RP is on pause till UC Replies to The Satellite Missile Attack (Which happen BEFORE Questers Fried the Satellites.)

(OOC: The missile strike is a WMD attack, for the simple reason that it's theoretically unblockable. Unless you actually planned it out with UC, the missile strike never happened. For the sake of response, I'll just anti-nuke it, despite the impossibility of such a weapon in MT. Then again, orbital strikes are also PMT...

At any rate, we need to keep this moving. You should know, Hataria. Remember what happened last time?

I've had assaults ignored [not IGNORED ignored, mind you] and just kept going on. Don't hold the RP for one strike.)

Commodore Gao Shiyu of the Yinghao had just recieved word of a possibly nuclear missile strike on Union Canada by the arrogant Hatarians, and quickly sent word to the other three missile cruisers to do their best to take out the missiles. Despite the long range, the kinetic interceptors were semi-guided ballistic weapons and the falling weapons' trajectory could be calculated.

After some frantic calculations with high command, just enough interceptors were launched to destroy the falling explosives.

And they did. Union Canada was briefly showered in tiny little metal pieces.

Thymnor had just taken out a series of WMDs with little or no preparation, and enormous luck.

Despite the fact that such a feat is currently technically impossible.

Then again, satellite nuking is also currently technically impossible.

The world balanced itself out, and both abilities vanished.

OOC: Let's view this from an external standpoint, hmm?

Hataria goes to war against Union Canada for a public proclamation of something inflammatory in II.

I side with Hataria because it suits my mutual interest.

Third parties (Questers and Hakurabi) come in and decide they're just going to ignore the only large-scale attacks we've done so far.

To me, it sounds like you people just don't want us to make good on our anti-socialist agenda, but since you haven't got the means to do so in combat, you're just gonna pretend we're not here. That's a laugh.

OOC: Hakurabi, by your logic, biological and chemical weapons are not WMD, since they can be blocked and contained somewhat :rolleyes:

edit: And by the same logic, naval gun shells and artillery are :headbang:

OOC: Hakurabi, by your logic, biological and chemical weapons are not WMD, since they can be blocked and contained somewhat :rolleyes:

edit: And by the same logic, naval gun shells and artillery are :headbang:

OOC: ...brilliant!! That'll finally give me an excuse to start disposing of my surplus binary VX shells. They've been sitting around for quite a while.

OOC: Actually, it's really because the military satellite thing. If you move a missile sat over someone's country, you can effectively drop at any time. Criticise what you will, and we can work out a compromise.

Right, so my logic was a bit oversimplified.

Nowadays, ICBMs are impossible to stop once launched, as would orbital bombardment.

Actually, your bomber is a *tad* overarmed to fly. I'll point it out in comparison to the B-52 Stratofortress, since this is MT. It's *possible* to fly it, so I wouldn't ignore it.

One thing I'd like to point out is that a maximum speed is far too high for that weight and your turbines **may** be too powerful for MT, being three times the power of modern turbines. This thing will guzzle gas like no tomorrow, and you had better have a nearby refuelling aircraft or airbase. An aircraft carrier is designed for fighters and fighter/bombers, so that's out of the question. (They couldn't carry more than maybe one bomber and it's load in RL anyways) The CIWS and ammunition are pointless and take up unneccessary space, as for the very same reason it would be so effective at high altitudes: drag. Your plane needs to slow down to around 650-750kph if you're going to make use of CIWS otherwise the drag will kill you (massive decompression) and turret movement isn't quite good enough to thwart missile fire.

I'd like to point out that this is **really** vulnerable to SAM fire and interception. Just take that into account.

Look, I'd really like to keep this RP going and if you want, have your bombers shoot at *me*. It's obvious UC will not accept the orbital strike and my action was to respond for UC so it doesn't just die because Hataria's waiting for UC to respond to the orbital strike.

VX shells would be perfectly fine, just so long as you take into account possible backlash (Nuclear war, etc.) and cleanup.

I admit my logic was flawed and was a shoddy attempt to justify my classification of ortillery as a WMD. I was in a rush.

OOC: Well, yeah, of course the Arbiter II would be impossible in an MT setting. That's why it has a gigantic "PMT" statement in the page title.

If you want to argue that you're going to ignore PM tech, you probably shouldn't join RPs involving PMT nations, such as this one. I believe it was Coolidge who said it first: 'If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.'

So why did you join an RP with a nation that is 100% MT? The point is, should you have attacked with another attack of similar capabilities, with different aircraft, then I would not have ignored it. I did say that I ignored the aircraft, not you or anything else.

Oh, and your claim that I have no other means to stop you is a joke. Surely?

So why did you join an RP with a nation that is 100% MT? The point is, should you have attacked with another attack of similar capabilities, with different aircraft, then I would not have ignored it. I did say that I ignored the aircraft, not you or anything else.

Oh, and your claim that I have no other means to stop you is a joke. Surely?

...perhaps because that nation doesn't seem to have a problem with Bretton's capabilities? Unlike FT and MT, PMT and MT can actually interact, and often do. Heck, I've successfully RPed PMT vs FT before (with me being the PMT) and had no real problems as long as things are done in a reasonably plausible fashion.

Just deal with the freaking attack and stop ruining the RP with technical minutae that no one but detail-obsessed people care about. It's not like the aircraft are invincible invisible juggernauts.

Also, Hakurabi, not even the Soviets during the Cold War would respond to a gas attack with a full strategic strike, or even with nuclear weapons at all. :rolleyes:

OOC: Well, yeah, of course the Arbiter II would be impossible in an MT setting. That's why it has a gigantic "PMT" statement in the page title.

If you want to argue that you're going to ignore PM tech, you probably shouldn't join RPs involving PMT nations, such as this one. I believe it was Coolidge who said it first: 'If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.'


Read the Arbiter's thread on the Draftroom. It works against the basics of aerodynamics, therefore it should be a FT aircraft.

Read the Arbiter's thread on the Draftroom. It works against the basics of aerodynamics, therefore it should be a FT aircraft.

Gotta agree with Macabees here. I'm on Draftroom, and the Arbiter struck me as very FT design-wise. It's aerodynamics are weird, as is its bombload and capacity for even PMT designs. It really is an FT design, and thus Questers does have a right to ignore it - especially as the attack was basically missile spam.

Gotta agree with Macabees here. I'm on Draftroom, and the Arbiter struck me as very FT design-wise. It's aerodynamics are weird, as is its bombload and capacity for even PMT designs. It really is an FT design, and thus Questers does have a right to ignore it - especially as the attack was basically missile spam.

You do realise that "missile spam", as you so eloquently term it, is pretty much the only way to attack NS fleets with aircraft?

You do realise that "missile spam", as you so eloquently term it, is pretty much the only way to attack NS fleets with aircraft?

2,000+ missiles is spam, there can be no argument there. Fewer missiles with larger payloads would be an idea. Plus why attack with aircraft? Submarines are criminally underused in naval RPs, and can deal large amounts of damage just as well as missile spam. What about naval engagement vessel to vessel via guns and such? Missile spamming isn't the only way to take down a naval vessel - merely the easiest to write.

I'll make it easier and just post it here:


How exactly do you allow this aircraft [the first one] to fly at Mach 2.6 and it weights 500 tons? Even with the amount of thrust you put forth, it's going to take a lot of force to accelerate such a large amount of thrust, which such a large amount of resistance being put against the huge surface area of those wings. Arguably, such a design would be good if it was the size of a normal bomber, but the sheer size of the craft, and thus the wings, makes it less economical since the wings have a greater surface area, and thus you have more stall force, meaning you need more thrust to accelerate each kilogram of matter, meaning this plane simply said is not economical, and I really don't think it can get off the ground.



It should be noted that the "Arbiter"s B2 esque form (and that image reminds me of the macross bombers too) is very ill suited to super sonic flight.


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You do realise that "missile spam", as you so eloquently term it, is pretty much the only way to attack NS fleets with aircraft?


Ah, the lack of imagination runs rampant, although I'm not necessarilly insulting you. I don't expect everyone to be an expert on naval tactics - I surely am not, although I'm an avid reader of the Mediterranean War during the Second World War, and I read random articles here and there (I also wrote the Wikipedia article to the Battle of Portland). Regardless, have you ever thought about a surgical operation? Have you ever thought about the fact that you don't necessarilly need to sink a ship to 'kill' it, and you can simply knock out its sensors array to make it a sitting duck. There are many options available.

On that note, anybody else think we should make an OOC thread?

[OOC: Fair call, then. I retract my ignore. Apologies]

IC:
Task Force: Canadian Sovereignty

"Sir! Enormous enemy missile attack off the starboard... simultaenous 90 and flat degree attack, sir!"

Rear Admiral Flattle was expected this to happen: he had decided, however, that it was worth risking his fleet rather than losing face in front of an... inferior nation.

"Affirmitave, Ensign. This is what we have to do."

HMS Enterprise
The Enterprise was being abandoned. Inflatable and rigid boats full of marines, aircrew, and general crewmen, were dropping from the vessel and sailing away to the nearest ship. Not before, however, all the aircraft had been laid out on deck with their engines running, the engine had been slightly overheated, and electronic decoys from both weapon systems and eletronics had been set up.

Task Force: Canadian Sovereignty
The Malaya, flanking round the two helicopter carriers, put up a withering hail of flak with its 6" D/P guns and her 76mm autocannons, using her AA missile VLS to engage the odd missile. The sky was filled with tracer fire as after it had absorbed almost a sixth of the enemy fire, the Malaya swung to once side and exploded as its C Gun 18" magazine burst into flames. The destroyer fleet was having a hard time trying to intercept and destroy the missiles coming from above - but in the end, the calmness under fire and proffessional expertise of the Questarian Royal Navy showed through with a success rate of almost 82%. CIWS and 20mm tracking autocannons backed up the high velocity short and long range missiles from both the carriers and the destroyers, bringing the tightly packed Brettonian missiles down like clay pigeons at the county shoot.

HMS Enterprise
The Enterprise plan was working perfectly. The aircraft along with the modifications made to the ship, including UAVs used as decoys (and real decoys) were distracting the AShMs. Nevertheless, the Enterprise wasn't made for soaking up fire and although she did her job to a level only expected of a navy of this calibre, she was not invincible. After taking the sort of bombardment one would have expected from a gunfight with a superdreadnought, the last missile struck her in her flight deck and ricocheted off, hitting a magazine. The 10th of november came early that year.

Slowly but surely, the Questarian ships went down to the huge missile attack, despite the best efforts.

HMS Essex
"Sir.. it's.. over. It's over."

Flattle ignored the ensign and looked out to sea, wiping away a cut from his forehead. All that was left of Task Force: Canadian Sovereignty was the Essex and a pair of destroyers (and of course the submarines, who went passed the battle untouched.)

"Navigation?" A groan. "Navigation"?

"Aye sir."

"Set us a course out of here into international waters. We can't do any good anymore. It's up to the Wessex to finishw what we started."

"Aye sir."

And so slowly, the remaining battlegroup split off, the two destroyers and the badly wounded Essex, at a glorious eighteen knots. Around them, three submarines - of which two only had torpedoes (The Revenge and the Royal Oak). The other four surviving subs had split off to try and hunt shipping, at a depth where anti submarine missiles became pretty much ineffective. It was a glorious sight to see how the Royal Navy had taken on a situation with little hope and come out alive. A sign of dedication.

The operation was not going without retaliation, though. Including the few transfer planes from the Enterprise, the combat air group now numbered 20 STOVL jets - which where already in the air. The "Arbiters" were giant targets for any aircraft who were hunting them.

Revenge.

"Flight Captain, enemy on RADAR. Permission to engage?"

The Flight Captain nodded in his cockpit and whispered back

"Squadron, break to engage, break to engage."

King Squadron of the Royal Navy Air Arm, Cyclone STOVL aircraft, zoomed up and after tracking their targets with relative ease, released their payloads: six "longsword" long range anti aircraft missiles each, and then pulling back to the carrier without bothering to check for damages.

OOC: They said the same thing about the X-29's forward-swept wings when it first came out in the mid-eighties, and lo and behold, Sukhoi's premier new fighter, which promises to be one of the world's most competant dogfighters, features the very same wing layout. Hmm.

In any case. The data on the Draftroom is exceedingly old. You should reference the Arbiter thread here, which I've linked multiple times, for the newer figures. Sileetris and I stretched PMT to within an inch of breaking with the Valiant Phoenix engines it uses; the things are true gems of engineering.

With that in mind, I'm dismissing the Draftroom's conclusions on account of the data presented from the prototype Arbiter does not represent the production models, and having the mods close the thread to prevent further confusion.

OOC: They said the same thing about the X-29's forward-swept wings when it first came out in the mid-eighties, and lo and behold, Sukhoi's premier new fighter, which promises to be one of the world's most competant dogfighters, features the very same wing layout. Hmm.



OOC: FSW are not designed to be fast, in fact, they are better for subsonic aircraft. This is especially indicative when you take in mind that they are designed for better manueverability, which means that the aircraft can't be moving very fast anyways.

OOC: I was making an example of designs being called stupid and then becoming successful, not trying to justify my exact program as being in the X-29's lineage, thanks.

The additional wingspan on the Arbiter is necessary due to the ridiculous altitude it flies at. Simply put, it needs as much lift as is physically possible to fly at altitudes where the air is quite thin.

You'll note when flying in a stealth configuration, it flies much lower and much slower.

"Force of Huge Planes have been detected on the radar, sir."
"Incoming Missiles, An Estimated 2 Thousand, sir! Impact in 30 Seconds"
"Order Escorts to take Evasive Actions, Central Battlefleet, maintain Tight Formation, let the CIWS Radius's Overlap. Brace For Impact!"

The Sky Filled with Incoming Missiles, The last of the Anti-Missile Missiles were fired, being depleted from the previous Strikes. CIWS Filled the Sky with Steel Walls, the Missiles at close Proxmity were easy to shoot down, but there were too many of them, About 400 Missiles made it through.

Super Dreadnought Izuma rumbled from the Explosions, being the Flag ship she was under the most protection, the rear Radar Dish was Destroyed, and 2 Secondary Turrets were Severely Damaged.

"Fleet Damage Reports?" asked the Admiral brushing off fust with his cap.
"Dreadnought Hashidate was sunk, Battleships, Suma, Owari were sunk. Carrier Akagi was sunk, as well as 2 Escort Carriers. 3 Cruisers Were sunk, with Much Damage on 4 others. An Estimated 17 Escorts Were Destroyed."
"Send Half our Fighters to Attack the Bombers, Send the Bombers to attack the Airbases those Fuckers came from! Move the Fleet in to Pointblank of the Hatarians, our AntiMissile Defences are finished, if they try another attack, they might hit some of their allies."

OOC: OMFG am I fing invisible? I just started an anti-socialist allaince!?!?

I understnad that the current geopolitical climate is very frightening, however, Union Canada is a pathetic nation, and I am certain that no further action should be taken. Perhaps this can settled in the U.N? If not, New Ausha is currently unavailible to provide millitary support-our sincerest apologies, but we are currently..."preoccupied."

OOC: Wait a minute, you. I already stated my Arbiters were retreating from the combat theatre before you even listed your forces participating in the combat situation. With my bombers moving at Mach 3 and your fleet moving at, what, 30 knots, maybe, I'm not seeing how you've gotten between the bombers and their path of retreat, and also how you've had no difficulty picking them up now that they've jettisoned their drones and have a minimal RCS.

And for the love of pie, stop referencing the damn Draftroom thread! Its data is old and faulty! I linked the actual I.I. profile page for a reason.

International airspace

"Direct hits against both fleets! Estimated 30-55% reduction in operational combat power!" the radar navigator hollered.

"Excellent, excellent," the aircraft commander stated. "Retaliation?"

"None yet. It would see- shit!" the electronic warfare operator was cut off as an alarm klaxon went off. "Half a dozen contacts approaching from the rear! They're self-guided and smokeless, so we didn't pick them up until now!"

"DSO, make with the countermeasures, quick-like!" the commander barked. Vents opened across the surface of the Arbiters, coating their fuselages with surplus coolant. Simultaneously, a fullisade of flares bursts from their sides, filling the sky with infrared signatures.

"Missiles are still closing!!" the DSO shouted. "Deploying chaff!" Grenades packed full of strips of tin and other reflective material exploded throughout the fleet, scrambling nearby radar.

"Results?!" the commander demanded.

"Negative! Still closing!" exclaimed the DSO.

"Must be laser-guided! Activate the decoy emitters!" the commander shouted. Servo-mounted laser emitters popped up from the backs of the bombers, painting laser targeting beams in random directions.

"That's got 'em! Missiles are following the decoy beams," the DSO reported, relieved.

"Laser-guided air-to-air missiles? Ridiclous," the pilot grumbled. A flash caught their attention. "What the-"

"Number eleven has exploded!!" the radio-intercept officer yelled.

"What?! What happened?!" the commander demanded.

"I don't know!" the radar navigator exclaimed. "It just blew up!"

"Report from number twelve! They say one of the air-to-air missiles looped ahead, then dove down into the top of the cabin," the radio-intercept officer reported.

"What... that doesn't even make any sense..." the commander trailed off. "Unless..." the lead bomber's cabin feel silent except for the sound of the electronics and engines. Suddenly, his back stiffened in epiphany. "DSO! You moron! The decoy emitters painted number eleven!" The DSO looked mortified. "We'll deal with this later! Radio the fleet, we're climbing to maximum altitude! Drain excess fuel and kick in the afterburners, now!"

"Yes sir!" the radio-intercept officer saluted, going to work. The fleet began gaining altitude and proceeded at an even faster speed. The unfortunate Arbiter #11, cabin destroyed by the missile, began to disentegrate as the incredible airspeed tore its perforated fuselage apart.

OOC: GAH! ...Damn, I've got to check this sort of thing before I post pre-prepared things. Consider my post gone.

-15 miles from Hatarian fleet.-
"We're here, Surface now." "Yes Sir." Slowly the small sub rose above the surface, it's small size being out of range from most sensors. "Prepare the Flying Torpedoes." "Yes Sir!" Up on the deck a firing platform containing four missiles rose to firing position. "Flying Torpedoes in ready, Sensors at ready, Targets commander?" The captain paused looking over the latest Radar reports. "Targets Sir." "Hit their flagship, All Torpedoes to be used against the Neherenia Class Grand Battleship." "Yes Sir inputting locations, will fire when ready." Lets see how you like it. The captain thought with a smile.

HMS Duke of Wessex, 210km from the Hatarian Fleet
"Admiral, we are entering the warzone." an Ensign alerted Fleet Admiral Ryan Moore. The Fleet Admiral nodded and responded

"Copy Ensign. Form us up in combat, increase CAPs by 33%, high and low altitude - don't let those bastards catch us with our trousers down again. Navigation, set a course towards the Hatarian battlefleet. Armament and Gunnery, please alert me when we are in range of the Hatarian fleet."

The chorus of "Aye sir!" resounded through the bridge as the crew responded to their various tasks.

The Duke of Wessex was a Prince of Wales (http://s15.invisionfree.com/QAESystems/index.php?showtopic=5) class superdreadnought - she was designed to engage enemy capital ships at long range beyond their striking distance. With her 25 635mm/62 ET guns, she could engage at long range and even longer range using ERGM assisted shells. The shells where heavy at 7650kg each, packing enough heavy explosive to destroy the largest of WWII era battleship with ease.

"Sir, we have entered engagement range. The Cricketeer will enter range in thirty minutes."

"OK." Moore smiled. "Engage when ready - gunfire only, chaps."

The Wessex's main guns traversed and with assistance from both onboard RADAR systems, AWACs aircraft in the sky, and satellite guidance, the Wessex opened fire, at a rate of 1 round per minute.

Her target; The Hatarian Grand Battleship Neherenia.

HMS Duke of Wessex, 210km from the Hatarian Fleet
"Admiral, we are entering the warzone." an Ensign alerted Fleet Admiral Ryan Moore. The Fleet Admiral nodded and responded

"Copy Ensign. Form us up in combat, increase CAPs by 33%, high and low altitude - don't let those bastards catch us with our trousers down again. Navigation, set a course towards the Hatarian battlefleet. Armament and Gunnery, please alert me when we are in range of the Hatarian fleet."

The chorus of "Aye sir!" resounded through the bridge as the crew responded to their various tasks.

The Duke of Wessex was a Prince of Wales (http://s15.invisionfree.com/QAESystems/index.php?showtopic=5) class superdreadnought - she was designed to engage enemy capital ships at long range beyond their striking distance. With her 25 635mm/62 ET guns, she could engage at long range and even longer range using ERGM assisted shells. The shells where heavy at 7650kg each, packing enough heavy explosive to destroy the largest of WWII era battleship with ease.

"Sir, we have entered engagement range. The Cricketeer will enter range in thirty minutes."

"OK." Moore smiled. "Engage when ready - gunfire only, chaps."

The Wessex's main guns traversed and with assistance from both onboard RADAR systems, AWACs aircraft in the sky, and satellite guidance, the Wessex opened fire, at a rate of 1 round per minute.

Her target; The Hatarian Grand Battleship Neherenia.


The Neherenia was being Fired on by the enemy. Two Republic Class Destroyers were Blasted by the enemy Fire and The Neherenia had taken a Hit to The Side. Asuka Knew that The enemy would Win, But The Hatarians Would Fight to The Death To The Death. As for The Troop Carriers, They were Away from The Battle, with Two Empress Serena Class Battleships and The Heilcopter Carriers Protecting Them.

Ten Planes Soon Spotted The enemy SD. "Well Well," The lead Pilot Said, "We have One Big Fish in Sight, All Planes Attack!" The Ten Planes of Sea Dragon Squadron were soon heading For The Wessex.

Oh and 23 Planes were downed by The enemy.

(OOC: They **think** they're being attacked...

The Silhouettes are supersonic fighter/bombers, four hardpoints.)

10 km from the Questers Fleet, 210 km from the Hatarian Fleet
"We've got 10 contacts, possibly of Hatarian origin!"

"Damn, we're being attacked! There's going to be more where they came from! Launch the interceptors!"

Onboard the Datong four squadrons of Silhouette Fighter/Bombers were being flung into the air, forming into their respective wings. The Hatarian fighters, still halfway to the Questarian fleet were to be stopped here.

Admiral Bi Zhefu, being the supreme commander of the Thymnor battlefleets at this time decided that it would be an optimal time to apply heavy saturation fire. "Hatarian Fleet, Fire for effect!"

The battleships moved to pump as many shells into the Hatarian fleet in general, whilst the missile cruisers were holding back. The Destroyers, however, pulled up the Katyusha disposable missile racks and launched them from the top of their guns to hail down on the Hatarian Fleet. It was of little practical use, but it did make a hell of a lot of chaos on the other side. The ability to fire two hundred small explosive rockets at one's enemy a second (fleet total) can't be wrong, can it?

One squadron of Silhouettes commenced a flyby of the Hatarians in order to acquire detailed targetting data.

The other three squadrons of fighters moved to intercept the Hatarian Sea Dragons.

30 km from the Hatarians
Battlegroup Epsilon was still prowling the seas, gradually approaching the Hatarian fleet yet still remaining almost invisible. Their passive scans were revealing much about the fleet locations, and this was being radioed to the fleet 180km away.

But their primary mission was to guard against any submarine excursion, so they remained silent and spread out. A decisive strike was needed to strip the Hatarians of any remaining morale.

OOC: I was making an example of designs being called stupid and then becoming successful, not trying to justify my exact program as being in the X-29's lineage, thanks.
[OOC: This is a fallicious argument: "Everyone said that forward swept wings were terrible but actually they turned out to be good, therefore obviously my lemon-powered flying toaster will annihilate your entire fleet." It doesnt follow.

Anyway I was originally just intending to TAG this as the thread tools are broken.]

OOC: Praetonia, I love you and all, but Christ, please do not rain all over my parade here. I have a thread for that in the profile, and I'd love your constructive criticisms, but this RP is already on the verge of death due to mutual techwanking on both sides of the fence, so for the love of Jesus, do it there, m'kay? -_-

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Brettonian airbase
Local time: 0944
Temperature: 24° Fahrenheit

"So, the decoy laser emitters actually painted another bomber as a target?" the base commander, General Helseth said in a quizzical tone. "Aren't they programmed to... not do that?"

"That's what we were told in the academy, sir," the aircraft's commander reported. "I believed it was the truth."

"Hmm," the General stroked his chin. "This is troubling, yes. We'll have your aircraft's computers disassembled and analyzed. Hopefully it was only your unit that was buggy, and not the entire fleet. If so..."

"The whole fleet will have to be grounded?" the commander asked.

"Probably," Helseth sighed. "Some of the BMI staff are gonna be shot if they managed to leave out that critical piece of programming for our whole Arbiter II fleet."

"Understood, sir," the commander reported.

"Dismissed." The two officer saluted each other, and the commander left the room.

[OOC: Thanks for that Bretton. I am glad that we managed to bring this argument to a sensible and mature close.]

-Black Hand Sub, 18 kms from Hatarian fleet-
The sub sat dead in the water all engines off, if someone caught sight of it they would have thought it to be nothing more than a dead whale. But inside tenson were rising. "Sir Neherenia is getting heavy shelling, it won't stand up to whoever's bombardment very long." "Damn, I guess just a well, Find me some other targets, if the Neherenia doesn't sink however, we launch."

Brettonian Aerospace Defense Command

"We have no operational satellites over Union Canada? Nothing!?" General Eizenburg demanded, slamming his fist against the arm of his chair.

"Negative, General. We've completely lost contact with all our orbital assets over Union Canada and the nearby areas," one of the control officers reported, his eyes rapidly scanning over computer screens.

"Well, what happened?" Eizenburg slumped back in his chair, crossing his arms.

"They were systematically wiped out... based on our findings during the Kraven Campaign, it is most likely that our satellites were neutralized by enemy orbital assets," the controller stated.

"Run the probability program through the number-crunchers and see what it says," said the General. The controller nodded, going to work.

"It agrees," the controller stated. Two of the other officers did the same, finding the same result.

"Allright. Our course of action is clear," Eizenburg said, standing up. "Call up some of the Axis Nova satellites in the region and scan the area. The enemy orbital assets will be shot down by our heavy air defense. As soon as you've triangulated the position of the enemy, relay their numbers to the batteries."

"Sir, yes sir!" the controllers echoed, rapidly processing their computers.

-Black Hand Sub, 18 kms from Hatarian fleet-
The sub sat dead in the water all engines off, if someone caught sight of it they would have thought it to be nothing more than a dead whale. But inside tenson were rising. "Sir Neherenia is getting heavy shelling, it won't stand up to whoever's bombardment very long." "Damn, I guess just a well, Find me some other targets, if the Neherenia doesn't sink however, we launch."

Sadly for BHN, they were Found, Because they Forgot that Modern Ships have this thing call Sonar. It Finds Subs, even Mini Subs, so That a Destroyer Armed with Depth Charges can Sink Them.

a Republic Class Destroyer Found The Black Hand Sub with Sonar and Soon Started Droping Depth Charges into the Water to Blast the Sub.

OOC: If you Say it is a Steath Sub, I will Ignore you and Call you Godmoder.

OOC: Subs are stealth by definition. All engines off, everything means that sonar will not do much good due to refraction etc. It would show up as seabed debris. You realise if they shoot back you've just lost your destroyer...

IC:
A Hatarian destroyer had made the mistake of engaging active sonar, giving the silent prowlers sudden detailed information on the entire fleet, whilst still concealing them as they were near outcrops and not in open water, as well as being beyond effective range.

It was time for a little psychological warfare.

The Hegong launched a single VA-111 Shkval 2 torpedo into the hull of the Destroyer before moving to blend in more thoroughly with the surroundings. The single torpedo would spell the doom of the foolish destroyer. Unless the Hatarians were using constant active sonar, the only sign they would have of the torpedo would be impact. Even then, there would be no time to tell anyone, nor for any last words.

(OOC: Active sonar automatically gives away your position, and modern weapons have a very high one-hit-kill probability. Submarine warfare is cat-and-mouse and detection means death, even to large surface ships.)

Union Canada Waters, Near the Hatarian Fleet
The Nation of Quebec and Kantorian Fleets

All of the Quebec and Kantorian fleet remained in position, while the Pallazian fleet started to mix in with the Hatarian fleet. The Quebec and Kantorian fleets waited on Captain Turner's order.

Stealth Ship
50km Above the Fleets

Chris Archer was growing impatient. He eagerly waited to test this ship's powers.

QAC Enterprise

"Ensign, give the order. Our fleet and the Kantorian fleets will engage the enemy. The subs will come in first, then the planes, and then the ships. Not all of us may survive the battle, but remember that they are dying for a just cause."

"Right away sir" the ensign replied.

Once the order was out, the fleets made their move.

OOC: For the record, this is what the Nation of Quebec fleet is composed of.

Flagship - QAC Enterprise (Super Dreadnought)
2 Super Dreadnoughts Intrepid and Degra
7 Dreadnoughts Soval, Montreal, Avenger, Reliant, Invisible Hand, Duceepe, Pwn
20 Avenger Class Attackers
20 Potemkin Class Attackers
15 Jannar Class Destroyers
13 Stealth Subs
500 Bomber Planes
250 Double Class Bomber Planes
1 Stealth Plane (from future)

That's just the Quebec fleet. I haven't described the Kantorian and Pallazian fleets. Though, the Pallazian fleet is considerably weaker.

(It was surfaced by the way,nevermind, since you can't tell it's a sub, you'll be basicly blasting everything around it also. Besides it's 18 kms from the nearest ship, it would take a while to arrive.)

-Sub-
"Destroyer heading towards us." "Must be trying to guess our position, prepare to brace against Depth charges. "Yes sir." "It's dropped one." "Prepare to fire," "It's dropped two." "Hold on." First shockwave hit rattling the crew. Two more. "Roger that." The repeated shockwaves began to pound the sub. "Armor's taking damage." "Brace for eventual impact!" "What the, Sir the Destroyer's being Engaged." "I'm detecting a Torpedo attack on the destroyer." "Great then we'll just get crushed under a sinking ship, prepare to move."

---Onboard the Hegong---
"The Hatarian Active Sonar has revealed an unidentified submarine being bombarded by the Destroyer we just sent a torpedo to."

"Telegram them, we don't want to make enemies unnecessarily."

"Roger that, sir."

Onboard the Black Hand submarine, the crew recieved a message from the Hegong

"Attention Unidentified Vessel. This is the Submarine Hegong of the People's Navy of Thymnor. Identify yourself immediately. Repeat, Identify yourself immediately. Failure to comply will result in an automatic assumption of hostility. Repeat, Failure to comply will result in an automatic assumption of hostility. Message Ends."

Brettonian Military Industries Research & Development Complex, mountainous region

"Run it again," the lead engineer stated. The huge computer screen was yet again flooded with lines of code moving at breakneck speed. "Well?"

"The margin of error is improving, but the gaps are still above acceptable limits," one of the staff muttered. "The Army won't take it as is." The lead engineer scowled.

"Allright, toss that one. Implement the first set from the eighth batch of code and run it. One of them has got to work," the engineer ordered.

"Underway as we speak," a member of the staff reported. The lead engineer looked overly fidgety and paranoid, with good reason: three black-uniformed Military Intelligence officers were standing near the entrance to the laboratory, minding their business for the time being.

---

Brettonian Army Anti-Orbital Battery Command

"How much longer until the datafeed is decoded?" Colonel Nouls, base commander, inquired with an impatient tone.

"Another fifteen seconds. This is high level encryption we're dealing with," a technician reported.

"So paranoid..." Nouls grumbled. Since the debacle in the Kahanistan Campaign (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9828385&postcount=128), Command had transferred him out of the field, where he "couldn't do any excess collateral damage." In the interim Nouls had become exceedingly bitter.

"Got it! The Axis Nova datafeed is now ready for use," the technician exclaimed.

"Finally! What've we got?" Nouls demanded. A screen displayed a wire frame outline of the Earth, then began zooming in. An anamolous blob appeared in the zoomed in region. "Is that what we're looking for?"

"Yes, this is the only foreign asset in the region that could have neutralized our satellites," the technician stated. "Theoretically, anyway."

"Good enough for me. Inform Aerospace Defense Command of our findings. I assume we'll be given firing instructions thereafter, so get the batteries online," Nouls ordered.

"Sir, yes sir!" the technician responded.

"Attention Unidentified Vessel. This is the Submarine Hegong of the People's Navy of Thymnor. Identify yourself immediately. Repeat, Identify yourself immediately. Failure to comply will result in an automatic assumption of hostility. Repeat, Failure to comply will result in an automatic assumption of hostility. Message Ends."

-Nod Mini Sub-
"Well captain what should we reply with, they have us dead to rights, we cannot evade and we cannot strike without certain destruction, so what's the plan?" "Calm yourself Ensign." The Captain said. "I was prepared for such a situation."

Reply to the Hegong:
This is the sub Baton1, you will have no record of us. We are a group of Viligantes so to say, we arrived when we heard that Hataria was planning on expanding their imperialist ways, we are here to try and observe, and if possible aid in stopping their threat. That is all. Now if you excuse us we must pull back and take a damage report. Good luck and happy hunting.

(OOC: Necessary, because you are not openly fighting and thus may be friend or foe.)

--Reply to Baton1--
"We read you, Baton1. We will not fire upon you, fellow enemies of Hataria. We will cover your retreat when possible. Good fortune to you and farewell."

OOC: Actually, Hataria, this mini sub is probably small enough to evade your SONAR. SONAR, like RADAR, picks all sorts of shit up - but unlike RADAR, SONAR actually picks up things big enough to look like things - say, whales. Now, considering your ships are already engaged in a battle with me and Hakurabi, it's HIGHLY possible this submarine would be identified as a whale and ignored. Furthermore, it probably has the right build and running on the right engines etc, for you to completely ignore it as a small whale or extremely large squid. Stealth submarines do, in fact, exist. So no, your destroyer probably did not pick up the minisub, and even if it is, it's dead now (shkval > destroyer hull) :P

Oh yeah, and the chances of you actually hitting a modern submarine with depth charges is something like 1/50.

OOC: But he Active-Sonar'd it, and I'd expect that the Hatarians are paranoid enough to bomb the heck out of an outcrop if they found one. Then again, Active Sonar is normally only used in emergency (ie. you know you've been found and you need to get a bead on your attacker) and reveals your position to anyone using passive sonar at a longer distance than it reveals others to you.

Either way, the Destroyer's gone.

I'd probably argue that all modern submarines are stealth submarines, as there are no subs that charge in and hail torpedoes onto fleets - it's just silly to do that. They have the same effect a sniper has on troop formations - a silent killer that is very difficult to find.

Brettonian Aerospace Defense Command

"The feed from the Axis Nova satellites has been recieved, and our assumptions of orbital enemy assets has been confirmed," a control officer reported sharply.

"Always there for us, it would seem," General Eizenburg remarked rather flatly. "Very well then! All anti-orbital batteries have permission to fire at will. Bring that thing down!"

---

Brettonian Army Anti-Orbital Battery Command

"Approval recieved!" the technician announced.

"Excellent!" Colonel Nouls stood up and flung his arm out. "All batteries, commence firing!"

"All batteries, commence firing!"
"ALL BATTERIES, OPEN FIRING!" Nouls' words were repeated throughout the chain of command.

Outside, the OLED camouflage flickered off as several enormous anti-orbital guns began making precision alignments to their targets. Originally built as 78cm 'Leopold' railguns for the A7V Peacemaker (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=444410), they had been given a new life as anti-orbital guns via welding several of them together in an enormous weapon nearly 330 meters long. Massive electric motors rotated the usually-underground turrets to the precise alignments necessary to reach a target over the curvature of the Earth. The guns locked in place. Truck-sized sirens began blaring over the various anti-orbital gun batteries, announcing for anyone nearby to get their heads down. Six seconds later, the guns simultaneously fired. The slugs were visable for a fraction of a second, then they were gone. Another second later, the clouds in their trajectory were instantly annihilated by the sheer force of air being shoved out of the way. Clouds of coolant burst over the barrels of the 'superguns,' instantly icing them over before the ridiculous heat buildup could damage their sophisticated electronics (or make a prolonged thermal signature to any prying eyes). The twenty-odd slugs were in flight for less than a minute before plowing into their target, RSS Trafalgar, and exiting the other side, proceeding on into reaches of space unknown.

On the ground, the Brettonian Aerospace Defense Command had very little idea exactly what they had just shot down, but they knew without a question that it had been neutralized, and that was quite enough for them.

RSS Trafalgar, High Earth Orbit

The Trafalgar hovered by the wreckage of the Brettonian Satellites, pieces slowly spinning in the void and others tumbling into the atmopshere to eventually burn up from the heat and friction present there. Smalls puffs of pressurised air and oxygen were released from the Trafalgar's engines and thruster ports, instantly crystallising from the lack of oxygen in the space that surrounded the huge vessel. On the Bridge, Commander Hawkins smiled grimly as he watched the remnants of the Satellites float past on the viewscreen. With the task assigned to the Trafalgar complete, it was time for the vessel to move on; there had been rumours of more vessels being needed in one of the outer systems to reinforce the Wellington and the small fleet present with her.

With that thought in mind, Hawkins turned to the Helmsman. "Ensign, full thruster power if you please, and set a course for Praetonian Station, we need to restock the Missile Cells before going anywhere. The man nodded and manipulated his controls until the view from the viewscreen changed from the Satellite fragments to a slowly moving view of Terra. The deck began to vibrate under Hawkin's feet, and he smiled. It was good to see such an experienced crew and a well-built vessel work together. He sat down in his command chair and turned to the Comms Officer, but before he could utter a word, Tactical Officer Jeffries whirled round to face him.
"Commander, we've just been painted by at least three Satellite systems, most likely Orbital Artillery or weapons systems of some kind. We may have incoming fire in a few minutes!"

Sirens began screeching throughout the Trafalgar as Jeffries initiated Red Alert on receipt of the tactical information, and Hawkins turned to the Comms Officer. "Ensign, Emergency Power to all engines and begin Evasive Pattern Omega-Theta!" The man reacted instantly and began furiously tapping at his panel, diverting power to the engines from other non-essential systems and pushing the Fusion Reactors that powered the Trafalgar to their limits in an effort to move the vessel out of range. As the deck began vibrating heavily from the sudden manouvers, Hawkins turned to Jeffries, sweat beading on his brow. "Lieutenant, activate all Missile Cells and activate CIWS system, manually target Terra until we have actual targets!" Jeffries turned and engaged the weapons systems before using a small joystick that popped out of her console to target the systems independently.

In the inky black void, the Trafalgar moved as fast as its systems could manage, thusters and engines burning furiously at the back of the vessel and the entire ship slowly rotating and moving ponderously away from Terra in order to get away from the Satellites targeting it. As the vessel moved, Carlaise engaged the weapons systems; all twelve Missile Cells slid out of their recesses and turned to the slowly moving Terra, covers slid back to show the missile warheads. The external CIWS systems also engaged, the large Gatling and MetalStorm-style systems moving from their hatches and recesses, ready to fire. The Trafalgar was moving, but the question on every crewmembers mind was, Was it far enough?

In less than a minute the crew had their answer. Jeffries, hair matted from sweat dripping down his face from the sudden heat on the Bridge, turned to Hawkins again, face pale. "Sir, we have fifteen-plus contacts moving towards us at extremely high speeds. Impact in just over a minute!" Hawkins barked an order, and the viewscreen flicked to a view of the distant atmosphere, pixellating as the camera systems focused in. Tiny black dots were visible in the atmosphere, getting bigger every second as they neared the Trafalgar. Hawkins turned to Jeffries. "Engage those objects."

In a second Jeffries had responded and fed in the targeting data for the approaching missiles. The first system to fire were the Missile Cells, an entire load of three hundred and sixty missiles racing out of their pods and streaking towards the rapidly moving targets. Being a mixture of High-Explosive and Fragmentation, the missiles detonated mere inches away from the incoming objects and destroyed twelve of their targets but failing to hit the rest of them. As the light from the explosions faded away, the Missile Cells retracted, empty; there was not enough time to reload and fire again at the speed of the incoming objects.

With mere seconds away from impact, the twelve CIWS systems enclosed in the hull of the Trafalgar began firing, thousands of bullets and smaller missiles being thrown at the oncoming targets. The Gatlings moved automatically, tracking, and put up a barrage that seemed titanic. The CIWS systems destroyed half of the remaining targets, an excellent percentage for a system never tested before under live conditions, but then the four remaining shells hit the Trafalgar. The first clipped the rear port engine assembly and tore it off, showering the rest of the vessel with fragments, and the second slammed into the bottom of the Trafalgar, tearing a gap into the bottom decks and killing more than fifty crewmembers and Marines present there. The third shell hit the most heavily-armoured part of the vessel, the Bridge. It detonated inches from the thickly-armoured command centre and blew a ragged hole in the side of the Bridge. The Comms station and most of the right-hand side of the Bridge were destroyed instantly by the detonation, and two more crewmembers were sucked out into the void before emergency bulkheads slammed into place, sealing off the explosive decompression that had occured. The fourth shell hit the side of the heavily-damaged vessel and destroyed the armoury and crew quarters of the Trafalgar, killing yet more Marines.

The Trafalgar was still, engines no longer burning and thrusters not firing. The rear engine assembly was badly damaged, and two gaping holes had been torn in the middle of the ship; bulkheads had sealed off the inner decks, but the damage had been done. On what remained of the Bridge, Hawkins slowly picked himself up from the burnt deck and staggered to his feet, hand clamped to his head to stem the blood that flowed freely from a head wound. He looked around at the Bridge; there was nothing left of the right-side apart from the steel grey emergency bulkheads, and the viewscreen was dead, wires and fibre-optics shaken loose during the impact of the shell. He heard a moan and turned around. Jeffries stood at his station, staggering, his left arm bent at an unusual angle. Hawkins moved unsteadily to him, deck seeming to sway under his feet, and caught Jeffries as he fell to the deck, unconcious.

Hawkins checked the mans pulse and, satisfied that it was there, moved to the Helm. He pushed aside the officer there, whose neck was bent at an unnatural angle, and tapped at the controls. Nothing happened and frustrated he slammed his fist down on the panel, shattering the glass. He swore as he pulled a sliver of glass from his hand and then turned at the noise of the Bridge Doors opening. Three Marines in combat dress followed a Medic into the shattered room; Hawkins tried to lift a hand but it suddenly seemed like a leaden weight. He keeled over and fell onto the deck, darkness rushing in and nothing hurting anymore...

[OOC: I'll put this bluntly. I don't care how advanced and powerful your weapons are, Bretton. You do not godmode and effectively control my vessel by saying it was destroyed or 'neutralised' or anything of the sort. You fire your weapons and allow me to respond, not godmode. I severely damaged the Trafalgar but did not destroy it - and next time do not control my vessel directly or indirectly.]

Quebec Stealth Sub Shakespeare
Below Enemy Fleet

"Captain, we are directly under an enemy fleet. Shall I fire torpedos" asked the tactical officer.

"Yes lieutenant. Fire when ready" the captain ordered.

The Shakespeare fired at the ships above, and the three nearby subs followed suit. One of the attacked ships started to sink.

"Excellent, they won't know what hit them. Continue firing!" the captain ordered.

QAC Enterprise
Engaging Enemy Fleet

"Damage report" yelled Turner.

"Minor damage to the starbord hull, nothing serious. We're good to go. However the Reliant reports major damage and one of our Jannar destroyers was sunk" the ensign responded.

"How many of theirs did we get" Turner asked.

"Two destroyers, minor damage to a dreadnought. Our subs are doing a better job than we are" the ensign said.

"Tell them to keep doing what we're doing. Order the KNF Membraine to attack the enemy fleet head on with eight of its best attackers and tell the Reliant to back out" Turner said.

"Right away sir" the ensign said.

The Sky
Quebec Stealth Plane

Three enemy planes directly ahead.

"Engaging" Archer said.

The plane then dissappeared as if into nowhere. It fired several shots at the enemy planes, destroying them upon impact.

Enemy targets destroyed. Warning, the plane will be visible at a close range. Reccommend that you stay a distance further away from the enemy.

"Make it so" Archer said. "Fire at any enemy targets that come close."

OOC: I didn't specify which enemy fleet my fleet attacked, so someone who controls an enemy fleet can decide if that was yours.

[OOC: I'll put this bluntly. I don't care how advanced and powerful your weapons are, Bretton. You do not godmode and effectively control my vessel by saying it was destroyed or 'neutralised' or anything of the sort. You fire your weapons and allow me to respond, not godmode. I severely damaged the Trafalgar but did not destroy it - and next time do not control my vessel directly or indirectly.]

OOC: Who's godmodding? In the past, everything in orbit my 'superguns' have ever shot was instantly knocked out of action. As far as my men on the ground know, so was your orbital asset. It's your decision whether or not you want to make them correct in their assumption.

Also, just to make sure there's no confusion, my gun batteries are not in space. That would be silly. The idea behind the anti-orbital gun batteries is that it allows them to fire with near impunity at large targets, since normal defensive systems would likely be geared to shoot down ICBMs or other varieties of missile, as opposed to a solid slug travelling at preposterous speeds.

Of course, I still maintain a huge missile arsenal, since accurately firing the 'superguns' becomes more and more difficult the further around the curvature of the Earth you are. Since my nation is located in the extreme northern hemisphere, I figure Union Canada likely isn't below the Equator.

OOC: Who's godmodding? In the past, everything in orbit my 'superguns' have ever shot was instantly knocked out of action. As far as my men on the ground know, so was your orbital asset. It's your decision whether or not you want to make them correct in their assumption.

Also, just to make sure there's no confusion, my gun batteries are not in space. That would be silly. The idea behind the anti-orbital gun batteries is that it allows them to fire with near impunity at large targets, since normal defensive systems would likely be geared to shoot down ICBMs or other varieties of missile, as opposed to a solid slug travelling at preposterous speeds.

Of course, I still maintain a huge missile arsenal, since accurately firing the 'superguns' becomes more and more difficult the further around the curvature of the Earth you are. Since my nation is located in the extreme northern hemisphere, I figure Union Canada likely isn't below the Equator.

(OOC: Like Skinny said, it doens't matter how advanced your guns are, you can't RP another player's losses, it's bad form.)

OOC: Did you actually read anything I said, or just push the quote button?

I did not RP his losses. I RP'ed my ground crew being certain it was out of action. THEY are certain. Not -I- am certain.

There is a difference.

EDIT: For the record, I stipulate that my crews are certain of a target's neutralization on account of certain past instances with certain players (starts with a D and ends with a Prime) not knowing what the hell was going on. Since I am a non-discriminatory person, I have to assume all parties involved are going to be daft, thus my rather plain language.

(OOC:

On the ground, the Brettonian Aerospace Defense Command had very little idea exactly what they had just shot down...

That line does allude to having the Trafalgar destroyed in your post, I'm afraid. I don't "just push the quote button". At any rate, I think this whole war thing scared Union Canada off.)

OOC: Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

My ground crew is quite aware they've shot something down simply on the virtue of there's no concievable way a PMT spacecraft of that size could get out of the way of a solid slug travelling over a quarter of the world's surface in 50 seconds. Solid slugs have a bad habit of not detonating that which they've crashed into unless they set off fuel or ammunition, so according to the Axis Nova satellites, the target is still there.

As far as my ground crew knows, the proof that they've shot down the target is that they've shot at it, and trust in the accuracy of the firing algorithm.

Is this making sense yet?

EDIT: Eh, that's his problem. If UC isn't around to roleplay it, I'll just have to liberate General Palovich in absentia.

Asuka know that The War was Lost. "Order a Retreat. All Ship and Fighters are to Retreat!" She Yelled.

The Ships soon Started to Turn, The Battle was a loss.

Final Losses

6 Destroyers
10 Subs
45 Planes
2 Carriers
7 Battleship
The Neherenia Damged.

OOC: Where is Union Canada anyway? It looks like they left a soon as the war started.

Nation of Quebec']OOC: Where is Union Canada anyway? It looks like they left a soon as the war started.

(OOC: I think it's all the sudden uproar at a decision to try to destroy him, mostly from Hataria, who's bailed out after one fight. )

The Hatarian fleet would not be getting away so easily - the submarines were still in quiet pursuit. They took advantage of the retreat and each fired a torpedo in turn at the retreating fleet.

Two torpedoes were fired into the Neherina's propellers, whilst the other four struck carriers and battleships. The Shkval torpedoes were being put to their designed use - in the destruction of capital and supercapital ships.

OOC: This is rather entertaining - a war, and the person who got war declared on the isn't even here :D

-Black Hand Sub Baton1-
"Sir the Hatarians are departing." "Not on my watch, follow them, did you get the damage report?" "The other 3 just gave it to me, there was a little loosening but as of yet no real damage." "Good get underway, max speed, hunt them down!"

OOC: This is rather entertaining - a war, and the person who got war declared on the isn't even here :D

(OOC: He was there in the beginning, but when Hataria, and later, Bretton and the rest of the commie-haters ganged up on him, he left. Not very enjoyable to be invaded in your first few weeks of power, is it?)

(OOC: He was there in the beginning, but when Hataria, and later, Bretton and the rest of the commie-haters ganged up on him, he left. Not very enjoyable to be invaded in your first few weeks of power, is it?)

OOC: To be ganged up on by huge nations - no, not really. A shame some people do that really.

(OOC: He was there in the beginning, but when Hataria, and later, Bretton and the rest of the commie-haters ganged up on him, he left. Not very enjoyable to be invaded in your first few weeks of power, is it?)

OOC: The world is full of people of strong convictions. If you go out and publicly proclaim you're banning capitalism, you can expect retribution from those who swear by it. It's been my opinion that you shouldn't go around making inflammatory proclamations until you've got the muscle to back them up. S'what I did, in any case.

---

Brettonian airbase

A tilt rotor transport began touching down at a pad in the northern areas of the base. As its rotors began spinning down, three engineers, bundled up in heavy overcoats, disembarked from the aircraft. They were met by a pair of Stahlkörpe (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447922) assault suits, who lead them towards the base's command center.

---

"We nearly fried one of the mainframes at the R&D facility to pull this off," the chief engineer reported, reaching into his coat. "But, we've fixed the bug." He removed a magneto-optical disk from inside and placed it on the base commander's desk.

"This has all the telemetry data and programming to correct the flaws in the Arbiter's laser emitters?" General Helseth asked, picking up the disc and holding it up.

"That is correct," the engineer remarked. "The problem was the software for the laser emitters hadn't been updated since it was used on the Peacemaker (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=444410). It's baffling that the design bureaus missed such an obvious error..."

"I'd imagine that given the Peacemaker's size, the chance of striking something friendly in the area would be pretty slim," Helseth noted.

"But with the Arbiter, that's simply not the case, especially when they are flying in close formation," the engineer replied, making a hand gesture. Helseth examined the disc, letting the light from one of the overhead lamps filter through.

"Right," he said, placing the disc back on his desk. "I'll have it uploaded to the Arbiter fleet immediately." Helseth stood up and offered his hand. The engineer gave him a firm shake. "Would you care to join me for some coffee? My personal brew is quite excellent, if I do say so myself."

"Ah, that sounds excellent. It'll help with that cold out there..." the engineer remarked.

The Hatarian fleet would not be getting away so easily - the submarines were still in quiet pursuit. They took advantage of the retreat and each fired a torpedo in turn at the retreating fleet.

Two torpedoes were fired into the Neherina's propellers, whilst the other four struck carriers and battleships. The Shkval torpedoes were being put to their designed use - in the destruction of capital and supercapital ships.

OOC: I am not in good Graces with you Hakurabi, or should I call you "Nation Hijacker" and I am finaling doing this. IGNORE!

OOC: I am not in good Graces with you Hakurabi, or should I call you "Nation Hijacker" and I am finaling doing this. IGNORE!

OOC: Questions abound!

OOC: The world is full of people of strong convictions. If you go out and publicly proclaim you're banning capitalism, you can expect retribution from those who swear by it. It's been my opinion that you shouldn't go around making inflammatory proclamations until you've got the muscle to back them up. S'what I did, in any case.

OOC: True, I expect an older player to realise that, not a nub. At any rate, TG for you, Brett.

OOC: True, I expect an older player to realise that, not a nub. At any rate, TG for you, Brett.

OOC: How true! But you see, now, it's doubtful Union Canada will make that mistake again. Harsh lessons are well-remembered.

Quebec Stealth Sub Shakespeare
Pursuing Enemy Fleet

"Captain, they're attacking the Hatarian fleet" the helmsman said.

"Damn it, these people have no honour! Order all available subs from our fleet, Kantoriuma, and Pallazia to engage the attackers and destroy them" the captain ordered.

"Right away sir" an ensign responded.

"Helmsman, how far away is our fleet away from them" the captain asked.

"Not far. We'll engage then in one minute and fourty seven seconds. However, there is a dreadnought directly above us" the helmsman responded.

"Then destroy it" the captain yelled.

In the sea, the Shakespeare and six nearby subs fired at the said ship.

"We got them sir" reported the tatical officer. "They're sinking."

"Good" the captain said with a slight chuckle. "Now engage the enemy attacking the Hatarians. With any luck we'll have an attack on all three sides."

Stealth Ship
The Sky

Enemy ship directly ahead. Sensors indicate to be a dreadnought. Aiming plasma turrets.

"Fire and destroy the bastards" Archer said angirly.

Still cloaked, the ship made its way towards the dreadnought. Red lazers appreared from the sky where the plane was. They hit vital parts of the dreadnought.

Engines and weapons destroyed.

"Good. Now finish it off" Archer said.

At Archer's command, the invisible ship then swooped down at the dreadnought, sinking it.

"Now, go to the Hatarian fleet. They are in trouble. Start attacking firing ships and subs you see"

Brettonian airspace

With their decoy laser emitter software repaired, the Arbiter fleet once again took to the skies, making great haste towards the warzone.

Nation of Quebec']-Snip-
OOC: What a god mode, what a huge Godmode.IGNORED

-Baton1, Trailing Hatarian Fleet at 18 miles from nearest ship-
"They're really pushing it." "Yes they're running scared, we won't be able to keep up with them Captain, they know it too, that's why they haven't bothered to try and stop us." "Dammit, Full Surface now before they're out of range!!!" The sub surfaced as fast as possible and in about 5 minutes readied the 4 missiles for launch. "What targets?" "Whatever's closest, you got a lock on them?" "Correct." "The launch already!" The 4 missiles took a very low flight path towards 3 different ships, the last one headed towards the orginal target, the Flagship. It's weapons expended the Sub would have no choice but to flee.

(OOC: Don't ignore, negotiate.)

OOC: People are ignoring each other left and right all of a sudden. This is bollocks!

"Emperor, the Hatarian Fleet has retreated. There are still some agressors though"
"The War is finished for us, we have done what we promised to do. Return the Fleet to Home base for Repairs. Also Negotiate a peace with the Hatarians"

Planes have Returned to their Carriers, and the Remnents of the Fleet Set off home.

OOC: Well, -I'm- not going to just start ignoring people. Not yet, anyway.

---

International airspace

Four wings of Arbiter II bombers cruised towards the combat zone, performing their first sortie with the updated decoy emitter software. With that, there would be no more incidents of technical friendly fire.

"Commander, updated feed from the Axis Nova satellite uplink," the lead bomber's navigator stated. "It would appear that the Questrian fleet has been replaced by a seperate force."

"Is that so?" the aircraft commander quirked an eyebrow. "What're we looking at?"

"It appears to be a smaller force, but they have do have one big ship," the navigator relayed.

"Monsters..." the pilot muttered.

"Allright, we'll proceed with the plan. Missiles are to be launched at maximum range, and the drones carrying the ASROCS will be launched afterwards. Time them for simultaneous impact with the enemy ships. Additionally, target the smaller ships first," the commander reported. "The big ship is the obvious target, thus the smaller ships will try to protect it. However, if we take out the smaller ships first, we'll be able to harass the big ship with near impunity."

"Understood, sir. Launch missiles and drones for simultaneous impact with target, smaller ships to be targeted first," the bombardier reported.

"Obviously, we will withdraw after drone deployment," the commander added.

"Roger that, commander. We will be entering missile launch range shortly..." the bombardier stated.

OOC: I choose to ignore Nod's post.

QAC Enterprise
Enemy Territory

"Another torpedo just missed us" yelled the tactical officer.

"At least their aim is off. Where are the subs" Turner asked.

"Ten of them are pursuing the enemy that is attacking the Hatarians. The others are either in battle or have been destroyed the tactical officer reported. "Sir, we are still in good condition. If the Degra comes to our assistance, we can destroy the attacking Super Dreadnought!"

"Make it so" Turner ordered.

QSD Degra
Engaging Enemy Ship

"It's only a small destroyer, they are no match for us" a crewman said.

"Then you what to do" the captain said.

"Firing torpedos" said the crewman.

"Captain, I'm revieving a telegram from the Enterprise" a communications officer said. 'Require assistance. Enemy Super Dreadnought attacking. A Jannar class has sunk defending us, the other is crippled. Here are coordinates."

"Very well" the captain said as he watched the enemy destroyer sink. "Engage the enemy."

"Right away sir"

OOC: And now we're ignoring the ignores. Oi...

OOC: And now we're ignoring the ignores. Oi...


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/emot-psyduck.gif

OOC: Now if that doesn't describe this scenario perfectly, I don't know what does.

Nation of Quebec']"Very well" the captain said as he watched the enemy destroyer sink.
OOC: Well maybe if you stop RPing others losses like a stupid NOOB, I'll stop ignoring you! Moron.
Learn to RP idiot. You can't say another person's losses. Only they can, if you do it it's call being Godmoding, if you'll ever be RPed with again by others you better stop being an idiot. Because I'll make sure to spread the word that you take others losses. No one will ever listen to you again then.

Lol, pwned.

STFU n00b. First, you should try to raise your IQ 50 points so at least it's in the triple digit range. Then hopefully you'll realize that this is Hataria's RP, not yours. And correct me if I'm wrong, I don't remember them ever stating any rules about what we can and can't do in this RP. You and other UC allies were the ones being n00bs in the first place. You originally started being n00bs when you ignored things you don't like. If ignoring you is supposedely against the rules, then so is you ignoring the anti-UC poster's posts.

The so-called "god-mode" ship is in fact not a god-mode. I did say it was visible at close range. Besides, Hataria never stated ground rules for the RP. Also in my post, I never specify which ships I sink down. I simply say I sink them, and for for alll we know those could be alied ships. I am in full control of my fleet, not you. I decide what happens to it. Maybe if you weren't such a n00b and stuck in your ass ignoring whatever you don't happen to like, perhaps you'd realize that.

Nation of Quebec']Quebec Stealth Sub Shakespeare
Pursuing Enemy Fleet

"Captain, they're attacking the Hatarian fleet" the helmsman said.

"Damn it, these people have no honour! Order all available subs from our fleet, Kantoriuma, and Pallazia to engage the attackers and destroy them" the captain ordered.

"Right away sir" an ensign responded.

"Helmsman, how far away is our fleet away from them" the captain asked.

"Not far. We'll engage then in one minute and fourty seven seconds. However, there is a dreadnought directly above us" the helmsman responded.

"Then destroy it" the captain yelled.

In the sea, the Shakespeare and six nearby subs fired at the said ship.

"We got them sir" reported the tatical officer. "They're sinking."


You got directly below either mine or Hakurabi's fleet -- if that's not a godmod in itself, then stating that you sunk a dreadnought is.

Nation of Quebec']"Good" the captain said with a slight chuckle. "Now engage the enemy attacking the Hatarians. With any luck we'll have an attack on all three sides."

Stealth Ship
The Sky

Enemy ship directly ahead. Sensors indicate to be a dreadnought. Aiming plasma turrets.

"Fire and destroy the bastards" Archer said angirly.

Still cloaked, the ship made its way towards the dreadnought. Red lazers appreared from the sky where the plane was. They hit vital parts of the dreadnought.

[I]Engines and weapons destroyed.[/I

"Good. Now finish it off" Archer said.

Plasma + Lasers = FT.
Engines and weapons destroyed = godmod. You can't state losses or damage of equipment for other people.
At Archer's command, the invisible ship then swooped down at the dreadnought, sinking it.

"Now, go to the Hatarian fleet. They are in trouble. Start attacking firing ships and subs you see"

OOC: I'll tell you one thing, this certainly makes my stuff look a lot better in comparison...

---

International airspace, altitude 92,000 feet

The three squadrons of Arbiter II bombers were flying close to their flight ceiling. At that altitude, the curvature of the Earth was quite visible, and each crewmember had sealed his pressure suit in the case of a sudden decompression. A pulsing yellow LED informed the pilot they were nearing their firing positions.

"Commander, we'll be at the firing position in forty seconds," the pilot stated.

"Very good," the aircraft commander noted. "Bombardier, status on the fuelling of the drones?"

"Completed on schedule. We can drop at any time," the bombardier replied. The commander nodded in approval.

"Point reached!" the pilot said.

"Commencing antishipping missile deployment," the bombardier reported. The payload bays opened, revealing the rotary missile racks. A steady stream of ordnance began streaking out, immediatley assuming a negative angle of attack to strike their targets in the Questrian fleet from above. A tense twenty seconds passed while the missiles were unloaded.

"Drone drop point reached!" the pilot added.

"Commencing Middleman drop deployment," the bombardier announced. The orange Middleman drones did not ignite their scramjets, but simply fell from the wings of their motherships, diving straight down due to the weight in their noses.

"Confirm ordnance deployment!" the commander demanded.

"All aircraft report ordnance deployment is complete, sir," the radio-intercept offier responded.

"Mission accomplished, then. Break off," the commander ordered.

As the missiles streaked towards the sea, the Middleman drones continued plummeting downward, seemingly dead. For a brief period of time, they looked as if they were external fuel tanks on radar, making their way towards oblivion. At a set point near the maximum recovery distance, their altimeters triggered their combat programming. Suddenly, the drones' scramjets ignited, promptly levelling out their descent. In short order, they were rocketing above the waves, sometimes barely twenty feet of clearance between their fuselages and the crests of the ocean. Simultaneous to the missiles entering the threat range of the Questrian fleet, the Middlemen dropped their own payload: booster-equipped ASROCs. Though each Middleman could only carry four of the rocket-assisted torpedoes due to their weight, it was believed this would be compensated by the added difficulty of interception. The ASROCs briefly accelerated ahead of the Middlemen, then were quickly overtaken as the drones soared by. They too would soon slam themselves into the sides of the outlying ships or be shot down in the process: their incredible velocity would hopefully make up for their increased size.

Nine miles out, the ASROCs cut their rockets and dove into the sea, discarding the fins and boosters. The freed ADCAP torpedoes were now under their own power for the final leg of their journey. Destination: the "sweet spot" beneath the keels of the targeted ships.

You got directly below either mine or Hakurabi's fleet -- if that's not a godmod in itself, then stating that you sunk a dreadnought is.



"Good. Now finish it off" Archer said.

Plasma + Lasers = FT.
Engines and weapons destroyed = godmod. You can't state losses or damage of equipment for other people.
At Archer's command, the invisible ship then swooped down at the dreadnought, sinking it.

"Now, go to the Hatarian fleet. They are in trouble. Start attacking firing ships and subs you see"

OOC: I hate to say this Questers, but you are right.

OOC: Oi, Hataria, as long as you're here, why is Hakurabi a nation hijacker again? o_O

OOC - I'm willing to compromise. I'll "downgrade" the stealth ship to simply machine guns and torpedos, but still a cloak visible at close range. I may also have only a few subs or one depending if there are no further ignores. I'm just used to roleplays on other sites where there are limited rules and your post directly affects any other poster's.

You can't "cloak" a submarine, Quebec. Coming under a battlefleet like mine you WILL be detected.

You can't "cloak" a submarine, Quebec. Coming under a battlefleet like mine you WILL be detected.

Exactly. SONAR and acoustical detection systems will detect you long before you can get under his fleet.

Plasma + Lasers = FT.


Partially true. Lasers are useful in an antiaircraft role at the PMT level, but you won't fit anything suitable for ground attack on most aircraft, and definitely not anything useful for attacking a very heavily armored target.

OOC: People threw a fit about the deuterium-fluoride laser on my A4G Partisan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=450430) bipedal tank for a while, and jesus, that's a chemical laser for God's sake. II just doesn't like lasers below the FT level.

(OOC: Mneh. A bit too overactive with the ignore slinging and godmod accusations - Could have just stated his grievances. I'm certainly not going to allow anger to bleed through from IC. Right, you guys can call realistic losses on my fleet if you want, as long as you give me the opportunity to sink 'em. No 'x y and z were destroyed', but if it lets you write the posts better feel free. Look, I'll take the losses from the sub strike.)

The water exploded into the air as the Quebec submarines caught the Hainiao unawares with several torpedoes. Whilst they would not ordinarily be fatal, the Thymnori captain had the poor fortune to be struck directly in the ammunition stores - a fatal blow for any ship.

The Hainiao fractured directly through the middle of the hull as shockwaves travelled through the ship. Alerts blared as officers and crew alike scrambled for the dinghies and lifeboats in a futile attempt to escape the rapidly sinking halves of the ship. None would survive, those who escaped were engulfed by the final great wave of the once-proud Hainiao.

Command was passed to Captain Jianbua, onboard the Haihu. Taking a momentary pause to salute the sinking Hainiao, he quickly barked for active sonar to be triggered and the sub-hunters to respond. The destroyers fired torpedoes into the water, as the two submarines whose duty it had been to guard the ships loosed torpedoes at the submarines that could be found.

Bump, will post soon.

(OOC - I couldn't have said it better Hakurabi. I think that's a great idea.)

Stealth Sub Shakespeare

"Captain, the enemy target has sunk" the tactical officer reported.

"Good work. You may continue firing at the enemy" the captain said.

"Sir, someone's activating a sonar! Some of our subs have been detected" said the communications officer.

"Damn it, order them to back off" the captain ordered. "Johnson, Have we been detected yet?"

"I can't tell yer sir, but seven of ours have been. I personally believe it's only a matter of time" Johnson replied.

The captain thought for a moment, and then came to a conclusion.

"Send a telegram to the other subs: go deeper into the waters until we're in a safe range. We will wait and attack any subs and ships that come by."