NationStates Jolt Archive

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This is the thread for discussions regarding the Commonwealth of Nations in the E20 world.

Commonwealth Members:

CR denotes a Commonwealth Realm.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (CR)
The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand (CR)
The Republic of South Africa
The Republic of Ireland
The Commonwealth of Canada and Newfoundland (CR)
The Sultanate of Oman
The Sultanate of Kuwait
The Kingdom of Bhutan
The Kingdom of Nepal
The Republic of The Gambia
The Federal Republic of Nigeria
The Republic of Ghana
The Republic of Senegal
The Togolese Republic
The Union of Burma
The Republic of Cyprus
The Republic of Yemen
The Federation of Malaysia
The Republic of Indonesia
The Republic of Uganda
The Republic of Chad
The Central African Republic
The Republic of Cameroon
The Republic of the Congo
The Republic of Gabon
The Republic of Equatorial Guinea
The Republic of Guinea-Bissau
The Federal States of East Africa (Rwanda, Burundi, Kenya, Tanzania)
The Commonwealth of Antigua and Barbuda (CR)
The Commonwealth of the Bahamas (CR)
Barbados (CR)
Belize (CR)
The Commonwealth of Dominica
Grenada (CR)
Jamaica (CR)
The Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis (CR)
Saint Lucia (CR)
The Commonwealth of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (CR)
The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago
The Federation of the Turks and Caicos Islands (CR)

Commonwealth Constitution:

Commonwealth Constitution

I All Commonwealth nations are to be sovereign and independent states, free to pursue their own foreign and domestic policy.

II Commonwealth nations are to charge minimal trade tariffs on goods moving between Commonwealth nations.

III Commonwealth nations to assist each other in terms of supplies for war purposes or other provisions when requested but are under no obligations to declare war upon each others enemies.

IV Commonwealth nations are free to resign their membership at any time.

V Nations may be expelled from the Commonwealth by a majority vote from other nations.

VI Citizens from Commonwealth nations may vote in any British election whilst resident in that country, this may be reciprocated by foreign governments in that they may allow British citizens to vote in their elections but this is not a requirement.

VII The Commonwealth Scholarship and Fellowship Initiative be established to promote the taking up of scholarships for Commonwealth citizens to other Commonwealth nation universities as well as the sharing of research and scientific assistance.

VIII Commonwealth citizens to be afforded the right of abode into the UK and this is to be reciprocated amongst other Commonwealth nations.

IX Commonwealth nations to maintain a democratic system of government as judged by other members

X A nation is to be an ex-British (or other Commonwealth nation) territory in order to enter the Commonwealth and must have signed this constitution.

XI Amendments to this constitution to be decided by a majority vote of Commonwealth nations.

First Amendment to the Constitution

XII A member state can be suspended from the Commonwealth by a majority vote of members. This suspension to carry a term of 12 months or longer if determined by the voters, in which time the suspended nation is expected to resolve whatever problem caused it to be suspended; before being readmitted. This final clause being determined by inspectors from all the Commonwealth nations investigating the nation.

NB: Constitution is left intentionally vague to allow for human decision to take effect in voting situations. ie. a vote will usually be required to judge if a member has breached any article of the constitution.

Major External Treaties:

NONE (Treaty of Daresalaam renounced in May 1955)

Nature of this Thread

Please use this thread for any information or discussion which may requrie the attention of the Commonwealth as a whole. You may also apply for membership of the Commonwealth on this thread though the one proviso is that you must have at one stage been a colony of Great Britain or else been influenced greatly by it in some way (RL example of inclusion of ex-Portuguese Mozambique into Commonwealth despite never being a British colony)

Recent Affairs

1965: British Carribean territories admitted,

1970: Indian membership suspended once more due to factionalism within the country.

Nepal requests that its membership in the British Commonwealth be reexamined. Soon after, so does Bhutan.

Nepal requests that its membership in the British Commonwealth be reexamined. Soon after, so does Bhutan.

ooc: so were they former members or do they just believe they qualify b/c of british influence historically?

ooc: so were they former members or do they just believe they qualify b/c of british influence historically?

they believe they qualify, and I can't remember if they were memebers in this RP

ooc: so were they former members or do they just believe they qualify b/c of british influence historically?

OOC: I don't think they were ever members previously but they were both at one stage or other protectorates of Britain and hence qualify for application.

IC: Britain puts forward the application of Nepal and Bhutan at the next convention.

Britain votes for the admission of both into the Commonwealth as standard members (as opposed to honourary members such as Mozambique). The case is particularly urgent with Nepal which the British would like to see admitted as soon as possible lest Indian influence lead to their annexation. A similar case may be expected to occur in Bhutan if not admitted.

South Africa votes in favor of Nepalese and Bhutanese admission into the Commonwealth.

OOC: I don't think they were ever members previously but they were both at one stage or other protectorates of Britain and hence qualify for application.

IC: Britain puts forward the application of Nepal and Bhutan at the next convention.

Britain votes for the admission of both into the Commonwealth as standard members (as opposed to honourary members such as Mozambique). The case is particularly urgent with Nepal which the British would like to see admitted as soon as possible lest Indian influence lead to their annexation. A similar case may be expected to occur in Bhutan if not admitted.

Australia will vote for the membership of Nepal and Bhutan but must insist the Commonwealth discuss possible stances and ultimatums should India persist in its movements on these nations. At what point do we draw a line against a country that until recently was a member of this proud organization?

Nepal and Bhutan are hereby admitted into the Commonwealth of Nations. (I presume Canada will also vote yes and that the Middle Eastern countries will follow suit)

Britain concurs with the Australian proposal that something should be done about India's imperialistic incursions into other nations' sovereignity. Certainly an ultimatum must be issued if India persists in her incursions into Nepal and Bhutan after their admission. We are bound by the Commonwealth Constitution and our civilised ways to help our new allies.

A semi-concealed threat from British military intelligence did not dissuade them so an ultimatum must be made with considerable force behind it if India is to cease her transgressions. The fact that the nation in question was formerly a member of this organisation is besides the point as we all saw in which direction Indian interests lay in the last war and their utter disregard for national sovereignity.

Australian Minister to the Commonwealth Leonard Williams shakes his head sadly at this news. "So much for isolationism then. This nation will support an ultimatum."

Good News for the Commonwealth (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10420751&postcount=21)

India is ruled by a western-friendly leader once again. Is that good for you guys? I don't know, but since the Commonwealth has recently been accepting dictatorships...*shrugs*.

Good News for the Commonwealth (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10420751&postcount=21)

India is ruled by a western-friendly leader once again. Is that good for you guys? I don't know, but since the Commonwealth has recently been accepting dictatorships...*shrugs*.

ooc: is it fair for me to play a certain way based on obvious clues in the Real World that havent shown up in E20? I ask because I extremely eager for this situation in India to turn out a certain way. Specifically, I really want to avoid anything involving this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10330942&postcount=127)

ooc: is it fair for me to play a certain way based on obvious clues in the Real World that havent shown up in E20? I ask because I extremely eager for this situation in India to turn out a certain way. Specifically, I really want to avoid anything involving this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10330942&postcount=127)

ooc
I addressed it in the India thread. However, the world has no idea that a fascist is taking power in India at this time.

ooc: is it fair for me to play a certain way based on obvious clues in the Real World that havent shown up in E20? I ask because I extremely eager for this situation in India to turn out a certain way. Specifically, I really want to avoid anything involving this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10330942&postcount=127)

ooc: For the record, it's YAHYA Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Khan) who has seized power, not AYUB Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayub_Khan).

ooc: For the record, it's YAHYA Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Khan) who has seized power, not AYUB Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayub_Khan).

ooc: i'm aware of the difference between them, thanks. My worry was that ayub khan is now in a position to seize power from yahya khan and look good in the process of doing it. However, since such farsightedness is not in the best interests of realistic gameplay, please consider my observation ignored.

"So much for isolationism then"

Mr. Patrick Walker, British Minister to the Commonwealth of Nations agrees that isolationism appears to have disappeared but is content to await the results of the Indian coup before the issuing of an ultimatum. He also wishes to gauge the opinions of the rest of the Commonwealth before an agreement is reached.

If Yahya Khan is a friend to the west then the west should be a friend to his government. Australia moves we take this opportunity and offer support before our chance slips away.

Indeed, Britain would welcome a friendly India again. Perhaps now is the time for another vote on readmission? Britain has been providing India with aid since the end of the war and there will be little change from that total unless they become a Commonwealth member and hence benefit from more substantial aid.

then we should contact the new Indian government to see if that nation wishes to rejoin. There is the substantial worry though that this new government may collapse even with western aid, creating a situation in which an anti-western government is suddenly safely in the Commonwealth. Should we then be forced to remove India the inconsistancy on our part would not look good.

Indeed not, but it must be worth a try surely? Britain will provide immense amounts of aid to a Commonwealth India and ensure that the Indian people understand where it's come from. So as to try to garner as much support as possible for a pro-western government. If that fails then nothing can succeed.

Australia agrees and is willing to devote a substantial portion of its future budgets to the effort.

ooc: I guess we post on the indian thread that we are holding a second vote and if the new Indian government wants in then it is in?

OOC: Not sure if I should even be saying things in this thread, but I feel that being allied to the Commonwealth, I should say a few things.

IC: Germany points out to the Commonwealth than India, while being a very large and potentially productive nation, has had a very unstable history as of late. Running from nearly being overrun by the Communists to nearly siding with them, as well as militaristic governments killing the entire elected body and taking over to a general agressive attitude towards its neighbors, Germany points out that such a nation would almost be worse as a friend than an enemy. Germany would certainly, being allied to the Commonwealth and all, not enjoy having to engage in a conflict with nations it is friendly to, and suggests that the Commonwealth think over the issue very carefully so that rash decisions are not made.

On a different issue, Germany points out the issue of Austria being segregated from their German bretheren, and reminds the Commonwealth members of the decision to have Austria have a plebicide to rejoin Germany, and requests that its allies push for the lawful reunion of all Germans.

Parthini']OOC: Not sure if I should even be saying things in this thread, but I feel that being allied to the Commonwealth, I should say a few things.

IC: Germany points out to the Commonwealth than India, while being a very large and potentially productive nation, has had a very unstable history as of late. Running from nearly being overrun by the Communists to nearly siding with them, as well as militaristic governments killing the entire elected body and taking over to a general agressive attitude towards its neighbors, Germany points out that such a nation would almost be worse as a friend than an enemy. Germany would certainly, being allied to the Commonwealth and all, not enjoy having to engage in a conflict with nations it is friendly to, and suggests that the Commonwealth think over the issue very carefully so that rash decisions are not made.

On a different issue, Germany points out the issue of Austria being segregated from their German bretheren, and reminds the Commonwealth members of the decision to have Austria have a plebicide to rejoin Germany, and requests that its allies push for the lawful reunion of all Germans.

The Indian Government would like to point out the errors in the statement made by Germany. We were never "overrun" by communists, former army leaders fabricated a communist threat in order to seize power for their own purposes. Secondly; we never allied with the Union, of which Germany used to be a part of. Our nation declared our neutrality in order to prevent India from suffering huge set-backs during a world war, which was what happened. Thirdly, there has never been a case of an entire elected body being killed; as stated before, a few individuals used the fake threat of a communist plot to execute some high-up leaders. Fourthly, we would like to remind Germany that it played a large role in the massive destruction that was caused to India.

Britain will tentatively provide support for the re-admission of India if only on the basis of tradition and a urge to support the nation after experiencing biological war and nuclear weaponry. The German concerns are noted but Britain feels that she must aid a nation previously a part of her Empire and who has suffered terribly at the hands of our enemies.

The Federation of Asian States applies, once again, for re-admission to the commonwealth.

Patrick Gordon Walker places Britain's vote in favour of the readmission of the Federated Asian States.

Patrick Gordon Walker places Britain's vote in favour of the readmission of the Federated Asian States.

Australia will vote yes as well...

Germany fully respects the decisions of the British people, for, after all, it is their Commonwealth. Germany also thanks the British for allowing it to speak its mind on the issue. Germany also hopes that while India's past was tulmultuous, hopefully, its future will be bright.

Germany also inquires on the legality of the Treaty of Daresalaam in the FAS?

South Africa again abstains on the issue of Indian readmission into the Commonwealth.

As India has applied directly to the Commonwealth of Nations and will be bound by all other conditions of the constitution it would follow that the Treaty of Daresalaam also applies. Though as India was not a member of the organisation at the time of voting it may be diplomatic to make enquiries of the Indian government prior to applying the terms of the Treaty. Though as it is technically part of the constitution they should be legally bound to accept it's conditions as do all other nations in the Commonwealth.

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The Federated Asian States are hereby admitted to the Commonwealth of Nations as a standard member and are bound by the constitution of the organisation.

OOC: I am assuming that Canada will either follow Australia and Britain in voting yes or else follow South Africa and abstain. Also I presume that the small countries will probably abstain from such a contraversial decision.

The two latest posts in the India thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467293) are probably of significance to the Commonwealth of Nations (more-so the second one, but you'll want to read the first one, too).

Britain proposes a vote on the admission of the Republic of Burma into the Commonwealth (in this timeline Britain is willing to accept republics into the Commonwealth). Britain feels that without foreign support and aid the nation of Burma may collapse with internal strife. Britain is willing to give aid to the rightful elected government of Burma to allow it to work as a nation without being torn by internal problems. Britain is also willing to support that government militarily. These problems would be assuaged by the membership of Burma into the Commonwealth but Britain will pursue them alone if needs be.

OOC: Essentially an attempt to skip the bloody rebellions and guerrilla wars of Burma in the 50's and 60's. Partly caused by foreign meddling (courtesy of US, China, USSR etc.), it is hoped that Commonwealth membership will solve some of these problems.

Britain proposes a vote on the admission of the Republic of Burma into the Commonwealth (in this timeline Britain is willing to accept republics into the Commonwealth). Britain feels that without foreign support and aid the nation of Burma may collapse with internal strife. Britain is willing to give aid to the rightful elected government of Burma to allow it to work as a nation without being torn by internal problems. Britain is also willing to support that government militarily. These problems would be assuaged by the membership of Burma into the Commonwealth but Britain will pursue them alone if needs be.

OOC: Essentially an attempt to skip the bloody rebellions and guerrilla wars of Burma in the 50's and 60's. Partly caused by foreign meddling (courtesy of US, China, USSR etc.), it is hoped that Commonwealth membership will solve some of these problems.

OOC: There goes my plans to make a pro-FAS Guerrilla war in Burma. The silly Commonwealth has to keep interfering with my plans to take over what was British India, doesn't it? :p

Britain proposes a vote on the admission of the Republic of Burma into the Commonwealth (in this timeline Britain is willing to accept republics into the Commonwealth). Britain feels that without foreign support and aid the nation of Burma may collapse with internal strife. Britain is willing to give aid to the rightful elected government of Burma to allow it to work as a nation without being torn by internal problems. Britain is also willing to support that government militarily. These problems would be assuaged by the membership of Burma into the Commonwealth but Britain will pursue them alone if needs be.

OOC: Essentially an attempt to skip the bloody rebellions and guerrilla wars of Burma in the 50's and 60's. Partly caused by foreign meddling (courtesy of US, China, USSR etc.), it is hoped that Commonwealth membership will solve some of these problems.

Australia will support the entry of Burma into the Commonwealth. Our budget for 1948 includes 7 points of aid to that nation as well.

OOC: There goes my plans to make a pro-FAS Guerrilla war in Burma. The silly Commonwealth has to keep interfering with my plans to take over what was British India, doesn't it?

ooc: ::raises eyebrow::

ooc: ::raises eyebrow::

OOC: Oh come on, you can't tell me you didn't notice me trying to influence the neighboring areas? Also, if you didn't notice, on the F.A.S thread, the map shows the F.A.S. as well as Burma, Bhutan, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. HOW MANY CLUES DO YOU NEED?

OOC: Oh come on, you can't tell me you didn't notice me trying to influence the neighboring areas? Also, if you didn't notice, on the F.A.S thread, the map shows the F.A.S. as well as Burma, Bhutan, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. HOW MANY CLUES DO YOU NEED?

raises eyebrow was my apparently too subtle way of saying "tell me something I DONT know"

You couldnt be more obvious if you used a sledgehammer. Similarly, India is in the commonwealth (at least from the Australian point of view) to make it easier to keep an eye on you.

raises eyebrow was my apparently too subtle way of saying "tell me something I DONT know"

You couldnt be more obvious if you used a sledgehammer. Similarly, India is in the commonwealth (at least from the Australian point of view) to make it easier to keep an eye on you.

Don't worry. As long as the west supports the brutal regime of Yayha Khan, India won't be invading any weak neighbors.

better the evil you know then the evil you dont. Fascism within spitting distance of my borders sounds like all sorts of bad news.

better the evil you know then the evil you dont. Fascism within spitting distance of my borders sounds like all sorts of bad news.

Oh, Yayha and Ayub are both facists. Except one is a popular facist (Ayub), and the other is un-popular.

The three votes for admission are probably enough.

Canada will probably follow the lead of Britain and Australia as long term allies and vote yes. Whilst the Middle East will abstain and Bhutan and Nepal will probably vote yes in order to gain more unity for the region.

And hence at 00:00:01 on the morning of January 1st 1948 the newly independent Republic of Burma is admitted into the Commonwealth of Nations.

Canada and Nepal will indeed vote yes, as will Kuwait and Bhutan

leaders in Ceylon are asking for investment by the way

Thanks GB.

Ceylon will be certain to be on the list of countries to benefit from foreign investment (alongside: India, Sudan, Burma etc.). Though any other aid would no doubt be welcomed.

Impending doom in India:

Will there be War?

Although it has only been 7 years since the sub-continent was involved in a conflict, the Federation is slowly inching towards civil war. In the Iranian, Caspian, and Pakhtunistan republics, Islamist groups left over from the MEU civil war have begun to wage war on the army, with distant army outposts coming under attack. In the Greater Bengal, the Dakshina Nad, the Sindh, and Balochistan republics communists are increasingly becoming a problem for local authorities, as they are staging riots as often as once a week. Many senior political analysts see that democracy is the only way to avoid a conflict, but the military has done nothing but increase it's control over local governments in recent months. The government has gone so far as to sack all democratically elected mayors, and replace them with military leaders. Also, the cities of Karachi, Chennai, Dhaka, and Kandahar have been placed under direct military rule. This has led to more retaliation by the islamists and communists, with riots and attacks on military garrisons increasing exponentially. Will this lead to civil war? If the west does not intervene, it most likely will.

This undemocratic sacking of elected officials is certainly not in complience with the Commonwealth Constitution. Perhaps the time is right for some sort of action, either intervention in Indian affairs or else expulsion/suspension from the Commonwealth until democracy is reasserted. Any ideas?

OOC: If you guys didn't notice, you accepted Yahya Khan into the Commonwealth after he deposed the Civilian Government, including Parliament. It's not like this is a big deal, compared to that...

IC:

The Indian Government has only sacked all these leaders due to the fact that our country is increasingly coming under attack by radical islamists, who wish to impose their radical, twisted version of Islam onto the entire world, and by the communist scourge, which created not only 1, but TWO World Wars. These actions have been taken to safe-guard not only India, but the entire world. If either the communists of islamists take power, do you know how powerful a base they shall have? The Indian economy has grown exponentially in the last 8 years. The Islamists or Communists would most certainly have a power-base so powerful, there would be little keeping them from taking, say, the Middle East. Or Central Asia. Or Tibet. Or the commonwealth member states of Nepal, Bhutan, and Burma. Therefore, we must sacrifice democracy in the present, to ensure it will exist for the future.

Britain proposes that an offer of military assistance be made to India. Britain is willing to commit 2 divisions of mechanised infantry, 2 specialised brigades, Headquarters support and relevent air and naval support. If determined necessary by the other Commonwealth nations. However Britain is interested to learn of others' opinions in this matter before any decision is made.

OOC: If you guys didn't notice, you accepted Yahya Khan into the Commonwealth after he deposed the Civilian Government, including Parliament. It's not like this is a big deal, compared to that...

IC:

The Indian Government has only sacked all these leaders due to the fact that our country is increasingly coming under attack by radical islamists, who wish to impose their radical, twisted version of Islam onto the entire world, and by the communist scourge, which created not only 1, but TWO World Wars. These actions have been taken to safe-guard not only India, but the entire world. If either the communists of islamists take power, do you know how powerful a base they shall have? The Indian economy has grown exponentially in the last 8 years. The Islamists or Communists would most certainly have a power-base so powerful, there would be little keeping them from taking, say, the Middle East. Or Central Asia. Or Tibet. Or the commonwealth member states of Nepal, Bhutan, and Burma. Therefore, we must sacrifice democracy in the present, to ensure it will exist for the future.


OOC: I think India may be overestimating itself. I have a feeling that if I wanted to, I could overthrow the Indian Government myself...

Plus, we don't have enough radicals. It's more fun to watch countries spiral down the suicidal path of fundimentalism.

As long as they don't have nukes or the ability to go to space ;)

Parthini']OOC: I think India may be overestimating itself. I have a feeling that if I wanted to, I could overthrow the Indian Government myself...

Plus, we don't have enough radicals. It's more fun to watch countries spiral down the suicidal path of fundimentalism.

As long as they don't have nukes or the ability to go to space ;)

OOC: That's swell :)

Baghdad, Oman, and Kuwait, fearful of Shi'ite agression put their pledge behind the FAS and request that the Commonwealth bring in people to protect the borders, while Basra only denounces the communists. The Saudis, however, put their support behind the islamists.

Any action by Commonwealth nations regarding this request?


Britain will transfer the following units to police the borders:

16th Independent Air Assault Brigade (1 elite paratrooper brigade)
18th Independent Marine Mechanised Brigade (1 elite mechanised brigade of marines)
Along with 1 pilot and a C54 aircraft unit


Whilst dispatching the following to aid the rightful Indian government:

17th Independent Alpine Brigade (1 highly trained alpine brigade)
Army Air Auxillery (1 transport helicopter unit and 1 highly trained pilot unit for helicopters)
1st Army Headquarters (HQ unit)
1st Mechanised Division (1 highly trained mechanised division)

Along with air and naval support provided by elements of the Indian Ocean Fleet:
1 attack submarine unit
10 destroyers, 2 squadrons of 5.
20 corvettes, 1 patrol of 20.
10 frigates, 1 flotilla of 10.
40 missile/torpedo boats, 1 group of 40.
1 Heavy missile cruiser(HMS Carlisle)
1 Light missile cruisers(HMS Nottingham)

and 1 Fleet carrier battlegroup (HMS Eagle) temporarily seconded from the Pacific Fleet.

These deployments are likely to change depending on political stability in the area.

Australia will commit one wing of Hawker Hunter fighters and one squadron of five submarines to fight in India with its Commonwealth friends. The government offers its apologies for the delay (ooc: got distracted from the internet by the real world, but lets just say the opposition party delayed things in parliament) and hopes to provide ground troops and other forces as the public is weaned onto the idea of fighting for such a just cause.

Australia will commit one wing of Hawker Hunter fighters and one squadron of five submarines to fight in India with its Commonwealth friends. The government offers its apologies for the delay (ooc: got distracted from the internet by the real world, but lets just say the opposition party delayed things in parliament) and hopes to provide ground troops and other forces as the public is weaned onto the idea of fighting for such a just cause.

Australian commitment to India increased by 10 destroyers, 5 more subs, and one heavy missile cruiser (HMAS Australia)

ooc: they used gas??

ic: News of chemical weapons in the Battle of Kabul reaches Australia, causing a massive wave of protests against involvement in a war that has so far resulted in a handful of Australasian casualties (a few planes lost I am sure). The Menzies administration, taken aback by the sudden assault on its prime issue of national pride is forced to commit to a public reexamination of Commonwealth tactics and goals. Military instructions on the FAS war thread.

The Republic of South Africa protests this use of chemical weapons by the FAS, and is considering withdrawing its troops from India.

Australia has begun bringing its forces home under overwhelming public pressure.

Also, what is going to be the Commonwealth stance on the events in India? This nation is looking to its allies for a unified position on the issue.

South Africa's Commonwealth representative issues no public statement, but privately informs his British and Australian counterparts that the Republic is of the opinion that India should be expelled from the Commonwealth if free elections are not held soon, the Indian chemical weapons program halted, and its stockpiles of such weapons destroyed, so that the Commonwealth is not drawn into another conflict such as this one.

Britain is of the opinion that it's job is done in India and will withdraw, leaving the Indian's to sort it out. Britain will support an expulsion from the Commonwealth if Australia and South Africa do.

OOC: You guys do know that Ayub Khan is the fiercly anti-western leader, so he probably couldn't care less about getting thrown out of the commonwealth. I told you guys to support the splinter states, but no, you had to support your crazy dictator. Now it's going all Afghan Jihad on you; you trained and helped the hand that is planning to slit your throat...

That's not to say there won't be elections and an official end to the chemical weapons program (just like Iraq's chemical weapons program wasn't official....) I'm just saying that Ayub isn't doing this for you guys, he's doing it to keep support.

South Africa's Commonwealth representative issues no public statement, but privately informs his British and Australian counterparts that the Republic is of the opinion that India should be expelled from the Commonwealth if free elections are not held soon, the Indian chemical weapons program halted, and its stockpiles of such weapons destroyed, so that the Commonwealth is not drawn into another conflict such as this one.

The Australian representative grimly reports to his allies that if elections are not held by the end of 1952, his nation will support the expulsion of the FAS from the Commonwealth of Nations. If no moves are made to correct India's stance on chemical weapons then that expulsion could be earlier.

OOC: You guys do know that Ayub Khan is the fiercly anti-western leader, so he probably couldn't care less about getting thrown out of the commonwealth. I told you guys to support the splinter states, but no, you had to support your crazy dictator. Now it's going all Afghan Jihad on you; you trained and helped the hand that is planning to slit your throat...

That's not to say there won't be elections and an official end to the chemical weapons program (just like Iraq's chemical weapons program wasn't official....) I'm just saying that Ayub isn't doing this for you guys, he's doing it to keep support.

ooc: Flattery will get you nowhere. :rolleyes: No need to be so serious--I know I'm just playing for enjoyment.

OOC: And you ask why the Sikhs have something to do with me :rolleyes:

Britain proposes that votes on membership of the following ex-British or British mandate colonies be made:

The Gambia
Nigeria
Ghana
Senegal
Togo

Britain notes that all are at tech level 6 and are sufficiently advanced to not be a liability to the Commonwealth. Membership would result in greater regional security and development in Africa.

Britain also proposes a twelfth paragraph for the constitution. That a member state can be suspended from the Commonwealth by a majority vote of members. This suspension to carry a term of 12 months or longer if determined by the voters, in which time the suspended nation is expected to resolve whatever problem caused it to be suspended before being readmitted. This final clause being determined by inspectors from all the Commonwealth nations investigating the nation.

Britain proposes that votes on membership of the following ex-British or British mandate colonies be made:

The Gambia
Nigeria
Ghana
Senegal
Togo

Britain notes that all are at tech level 6 and are sufficiently advanced to not be a liability to the Commonwealth. Membership would result in greater regional security and development in Africa.

Australia supports the membership of all five nations listed.

Britain also proposes a twelfth paragraph for the constitution. That a member state can be suspended from the Commonwealth by a majority vote of members. This suspension to carry a term of 12 months or longer if determined by the voters, in which time the suspended nation is expected to resolve whatever problem caused it to be suspended before being readmitted. This final clause being determined by inspectors from all the Commonwealth nations investigating the nation.

Australia also supports this amendment as it adds more flexiblility to the Commonwealth's ability to police itself.

Britain also proposes a twelfth paragraph for the constitution. That a member state can be suspended from the Commonwealth by a majority vote of members. This suspension to carry a term of 12 months or longer if determined by the voters, in which time the suspended nation is expected to resolve whatever problem caused it to be suspended before being readmitted. This final clause being determined by inspectors from all the Commonwealth nations investigating the nation.

OOC: I wonder who this is targeted at... :rolleyes:

IC: India votes in favor of this addition to the consitution.

OOC: I wonder who this is targeted at... :rolleyes:

IC: India votes in favor of this addition to the consitution.

OOC: Vote in favor of Nigeria, dammit. :cool:

OOC: Didn't expect Indian support, but still...

NPC votes, rough idea, probably worth a chek by NPC mod:

Constitution (Yes (Y), No (N), Abstain (A))
The Republic of Ireland Y
The Commonwealth of Canada Y
The Sultanate of Oman Y
The Sultanate of Kuwait A
The Kingdom of Bhutan A
The Kingdom of Nepal A

New Nations(Yes (Y), No (N), Abstain (A))
The Republic of Ireland Y
The Commonwealth of Canada A
The Sultanate of Oman A
The Sultanate of Kuwait A
The Kingdom of Bhutan Y
The Kingdom of Nepal Y

I shouldn't think any of them would want to vote no for more flexibility and greater membership. But still...

India votes in favor of the addition of more nations.

OOC: Didn't expect Indian support, but still...

NPC votes, rough idea, probably worth a chek by NPC mod:

Constitution (Yes (Y), No (N), Abstain (A))
The Republic of Ireland Y
The Commonwealth of Canada Y
The Sultanate of Oman Y
The Sultanate of Kuwait A
The Kingdom of Bhutan A
The Kingdom of Nepal A

New Nations(Yes (Y), No (N), Abstain (A))
The Republic of Ireland Y
The Commonwealth of Canada A
The Sultanate of Oman A
The Sultanate of Kuwait A
The Kingdom of Bhutan Y
The Kingdom of Nepal Y

I shouldn't think any of them would want to vote no for more flexibility and greater membership. But still...

ooc: just curious really, but why do you think canada would abstain from adding new members?

OOC: Didn't expect Indian support, but still...



OOC: India doesn't want to be isolated, to be the "black sheep" of the commonwealth. If they had voted against this, they would be the only nation to do so, thus hurting their reputation in the Commonwealth. By voting for, it's trying to get support amongst the nations of the Commonwealth. After all, Britain is the only "western" nation that he trusts as much as a non-western country.

South Africa votes in favor of the proposed amendment, and supports the entry of the new nations.

ooc: just curious really, but why do you think canada would abstain from adding new members?

I was unsure of how she'd feel about the potential hurting of the economy from cheap foreign imports from the new nations (thpugh that wouldn't happen for a few more years) and also the fact that as, technically, all votes are cast in secret, if she turned out to be the only big nation to vote yes or no she'd be seen as an outcast, though of course it couldn't have been proven to be Canada as it's a secret ballot.

All in all I decided it'd be safer to just abstain. The votes from the smaller countries eager to improve their economies would carry it anyway. Though some of these countries likewise didn't want to be too loudspoken in their first few years as Commonwealth members.

The following nations are admitted as full members of the Commonwealth:

The Republic of The Gambia
The Federal Republic of Nigeria
The Republic of Ghana
The Republic of Senegal
The Togolese Republic

------------------------------

A Twelfth paragraph is integrated into the constitution as the First Amendment.

The Federal Republic thanks the Commonwealth for allowing it to join them in this orginization.

OOC: LR, could you change "Union of South Africa" on the front page to "Republic of South Africa?" I apologize for not pointing it out before you last edited the post, but I've just noticed it.

Sure, i'll get onto it.

Cheers.

I think Burma should be on the list of commonwealth members.

Also, are the UIR, Indonesia, or Malyasia going to be up for membership? Australia will officially petition on behalf of the latter two.

I think Burma should be on the list of commonwealth members.

Also, are the UIR, Indonesia, or Malyasia going to be up for membership? Australia will officially petition on behalf of the latter two.

OOC: Why would the UIR be in the Commonwealth, out of curiosity?

South Africa will support the entry of Malaysia into the Commonwealth, but wishes to further review Indonesia before making a definitive statement.

Pakistan will support the UIR's entry into the Commonwealth of Nations if it comes to vote.

OOC: Why would the UIR be in the Commonwealth, out of curiosity?

South Africa will support the entry of Malaysia into the Commonwealth, but wishes to further review Indonesia before making a definitive statement.

well, i wasnt sure that the UIR would be in, that is why i was asking. I figure if Bhutan and Nepal are qualified it seems possible that former Indian territories would have a sort of bleed-down effect. If I am wrong, not a problem as I am not even sure Australia would support it.

Just remember that the Malaysia we are talking about is a lot bigger than the one in RL and has a lot of what would have been Indonesian territory.

I think Burma should be on the list of commonwealth members.

Also, are the UIR, Indonesia, or Malyasia going to be up for membership? Australia will officially petition on behalf of the latter two.

Yep, Burma should be on that list somewhere, i'll add it now.

Britain will support Indonesia or Malaysia. However it will abstain from voting on the membership of the UIR. Though it is technically qualified (as a former territory of any member) Britain feels that there has been much difficulty with the region in the past and wishes to remain out of any political arguments regarding membership.

Yep, Burma should be on that list somewhere, i'll add it now.

Britain will support Indonesia or Malaysia. However it will abstain from voting on the membership of the UIR. Though it is technically qualified (as a former territory of any member) Britain feels that there has been much difficulty with the region in the past and wishes to remain out of any political arguments regarding membership.

Well, Australia is in favor of Indonesia and Malaysia (which I assume means the latter is effectively in as some of the smaller countries will follow suit and vote yes). However, assuming a secret ballot, Australia votes no to the UIR membership.

I guess most of the little countries will abstain and Canada will probably vote no as well, Nepal and Bhutan may vote yes to get more South Asian nations in but will probably abstain. That just leaves SA to cast a vote and we're done.

South Africa votes in favor of Malaysia and Indonesia, against the UIR.

OOC: Are there any Dutch colonists left in Indonesia?

South Africa votes in favor of Malaysia and Indonesia, against the UIR.

OOC: Are there any Dutch colonists left in Indonesia?

probably not many. Historically most left once independence was granted to a variety of places, and Australian campaigning for them to emmigrate to the mainland (i need population so badly it hurts) probably had some influence too.

Nigeria abstains.

Sorry for forgetting you Kilani.

Right that gives us:

Malaysia and Indonesia IN
UIR OUT

I'll update teh front page.

Thought some people here might want to see this map before it goes up on the foreign possessions thread

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/cylea/E20CommonwealthMapforposting1.png

enjoy

Britain puts forward a motion to take a vote on the admission of both Republics of Cyprus (Northern and Southern, N being Turkish ethnicity, S being Greek) into the Commonwealth of Nations when they gain their independence at midnight on December 31st 1955.

OOC: The South has the vast majority of the economy and both production centres for the area, the North will only have one resource point to sustain it, but both will recieve British aid to develop shipping fleets. The South has most of the population as well, around 480k, with the North having around 35k.

IC: Britain also wonders whether South Africa would welocme the assistance of a Commonwealth peacekeeping and development team in Angola? The team could consist of volunteer healthcare workers, construction workers, administration professionals as well as a small military police force to keep the peace. Britain would also liek to contribute something to the devlopment of the area in terms of financial aid and wonders if this is acceotable to South Africa.

South Africa votes to admit both republics of Cyprus, and welcomes Commonwealth assistance in developing Angola.

In which case Britain pledges to dispatch a small detachment of the elite paratroop brigade, trained in peacekeeping operations such as this, from their current base in the Welsh mountains. The men will travel with full military equipment but much is expected to go unused and patrols will be carried out in berets and light combat gear, with only inconspicuous sidearms being carried to reinforce the appearance of a stand in police force only present to bring order to the country for extensive development programs. If the Commonwealth members agree this detachment will patrol under the Commonwealth flag so as to not impose any international identity upon the populace. The detachment would be glad to welcome any other small forces from other Commonwealth nations with similar aims.

In addition transport will be laid on for several thousand British volunteer aid workers and other experts to the area.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer also promises to release capital from next year's budget review for the venture, to show that Britain is committed to controlled decolonisation across the globe.

Australia also votes for the acceptance of both Republics of Cyprus into the Commonwealth, and is willing to commit the 1st Airborne Brigade to Angola under Commonwealth command. Regretably, there is no room in the budget for aid to the region at this time, as our slack is being funneled into East Timor, but it is hoped that 1956 will bring more opportunity.

Britain has renounced the Treaty of Daresalaam and heavily advises the Commonwealth of Nations to do so as well. Unfortunately recent events concerning civil unrest and outright revolutions in Germany have made this event unavoidable.

Britain votes for renouncing the treaty.

The combination in Parliament of old Imperial loyalists who follow the British lead and Conservatives who favored removing the treaty unilaterally assure that the Australian vote is a quick and firm one in favor of renouncing the treaty.

Commonwealth members are quietly notified that should this measure not pass on a Commonwealthwide basis, Australia will not stand by the treaty in any case.

Canada and Ireland immediately renounce the treaty (and indications are that they intended to ignore it in any case if push came to shove).

Both Canada and Ireland place their military forces on alert, and Canadian interceptors and the Royal Canadian Navy step up patrols.

Nigeria follows the lead of the rest of the Commonwealth somewhat reluctantly and renounces the treaty.

Pakistan happily renounces the treaty as well.

In which case the vote passes and the Treaty of Daresalaam is declared defunct.

The votes for the admission of the two Cypriot Republics also passes and they are admitted into the Commonwealth.

Britain puts forward the Republic of Yemen for entry into the Commonwealth. It has recently gained its independence (see foreign possessions thread for why) and is an ideal candidate for admission.

Britain votes in favour of admission.

The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand votes in favor of admission.

Pakistan votes in favor.

ooc: Malkyer isnt around, but i would assume that South Africa votes yes. Any number of more minor nations would follow suit.

ooc: Malkyer isnt around, but i would assume that South Africa votes yes. Any number of more minor nations would follow suit.

Canada will follow with Australia

I'll add Yemen to the list. I doubt there'd be much disagreement by others.

were Indonesia and Malyasia ever added to the list of commonwealth memberstates? according to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10702403&postcount=83) they got in.

OOC: Ah no, another one I missed apparently. Too much to think about makes brain turn to mush, bad...

Anyway, i'll add them to the list, what is the official name of the country? The Republic of Indonesia or Malaysia or whatever.

my sympathies on the brain mush. In a little under 100 hours i will be in the middle of taking 3 final exams in less than 3 days. I am not looking forward to this.

Malyasia should be a Federation, Indonesia is (i think) a republic.

Britain announces the upcoming independence of her remaining African territories. The list currently stands at:

Kenya
Uganda
Tanzania
Chad
Central African Republic
Cameroon
Congo
Gabon
Equatorial Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Rwanda
Burundi

All will be independent by the start of next year and have already achieved independence in domestic issues.

Britain oputs forwards a motion asking for a vote on the membership of these nations into the Commonwealth.

Britain votes yes for all of them, on account of their current stability (a lot of time will be spent installing a centralised government system in each) and current economic successes in Africa. The fact that Gabon and Equatorial Guinea are oil suppliers is also noted.

OOC: No where near as screwed up as RL Africa was (and still is), Britain, the USA and others invested a lot of money in these countries and the results are that each is quite developed (and some more so than today).

South Africa votes to allow the newly independent countries into the Commonwealth upon independence.

Pakistan votes to accept as well.

Observing that this will increase the size of the Commonwealth by nearly 30%, Australia has no issue with the membership of any of the aforementioned nations.

Nigeria puts forth the proposal that since Nigeria is already heavily industrialized and growing and that it already has a strong central government in place, that several countries, namely Cameroon, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, be incorporated into Nigeria and that Nigeria itself be renamed the United African Republic. This would allow for greater sharing of technology, industry, adn the benefits thereof.

The African nations are admitted to the Commonwealth (from Monday, but i'll add them now, before I forget).

Britain chooses to abstain from the vote as the upcoming countries are not yet admitted and cannot yet vote for themselves. Perhaps the matter should be postponed until next year?

OOC: By the way there will be a few conflicts in Commonwealth Africa in the 1960's (i'm working on some ideas) for realism, but not has many as in RL histtory as the have been concerted attempts at industrialisation and centralised governments. But there will be a few where we may have to intervene (maybe with UN help/aid).

Also considering a Commonwealth aid budget whereby those nations with a small surplus can donate cash to a central account and i'll keep track of it on the front page, to be dished out at the end of the year to needy countries of our choice (1 year is the max that money can be stored for before being considered waste, I think so we have to get rid of it every year). No-one is compelled to donate but it could just be an easy way of getting rid of little halves and quarters of points that would otehrwise be wasted, i'll do the same with the NPC builds as well.

OOC: I was considering having a dictator or two pop up, while having some good ol' fashioned genocide and religious tension somewhere else.

Africa is too nice this round :)

Nigeria puts forth the proposal that since Nigeria is already heavily industrialized and growing and that it already has a strong central government in place, that several countries, namely Cameroon, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, be incorporated into Nigeria and that Nigeria itself be renamed the United African Republic. This would allow for greater sharing of technology, industry, adn the benefits thereof.

The African nations are admitted to the Commonwealth (from Monday, but i'll add them now, before I forget).

Britain chooses to abstain from the vote as the upcoming countries are not yet admitted and cannot yet vote for themselves. Perhaps the matter should be postponed until next year?

Australia would strongly support the Nigerian proposal as both sensible and feasible. The benefits for the concerned nations would be too strong to pass up, and not being members of the Commonwealth does not mean that plebecites can not be held in the aforementioned territories...

OOC: By the way there will be a few conflicts in Commonwealth Africa in the 1960's (i'm working on some ideas) for realism

OOC: Sweet! Something for my defense forces to do, finally. Are we talking stuff along the lines of Mau Mau and Katanga?

IC:
South Africa suggests postponing a vote on the Nigerian proposal until the newly independent nations are admitted to the Commonwealth and are able to vote. However, the Nigerian delegate is informed that South Africa supports his proposal.

Parthini']OOC: I was considering having a dictator or two pop up, while having some good ol' fashioned genocide and religious tension somewhere else.

Africa is too nice this round :)

just keep in mind that a lot of the stresses in real life in Africa are not there in this timeline.


Most of modern Africa in real life is tech level 2.5 - 4, with South Africa being 7.5 and Nigeria tech level 6. In addition, there is very little industry outside of those 2 nations in real life. The African economies are still extractive for the most part, with raw materials going out ot the continent or to South Africa to be made into finished products (even food). This timeline has a big change in that respect.

However, it would be a time of turmoil socially, and the tribal frictions would still exist (as the only common languages in most places is the old colonial one). Nigeria historically has the Biafran War of Independence/Nigerian Civil War coming soon, Congo has seperatism problems as well. Intertribal strike would be an issue also. My suggestion, let me post African NPC problems, Lesser Ribenia handle in conflict that emerges, and Parthini handle any RP involved.

potentially relevent

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10933699&postcount=639

OOC: May as well revive this old thread

IC: Britain pushes for the Commonwealth to condemn Nigerian imperialism, thier land grabbing techniques have gone too far. Britain has already asked the UN to monitor a plebescite in Cameroon to determine its future and will happily abide by the results but a forced occupation of a foreign and sovereign state is not a trait that is desirable by Britain in the Commonwealth. Britain will push for the suspension of Nigeria from the Commonwealth if they do not comply with this reasonable request.

OOC: Will sort out the membership list shortly as well. Adding CARICOM nations and the Federal States of East Africa.

Le Republique du Quebec contacts the Commonwealth of Nations to inquire weather the CoN would be willing to accept Quebec as a full-fledged member of the Commonwealth.

South Africa, in the process of sending peacekeepers to Sudan and a humanitarian mission to East Africa, requests Commonwealth assistance in the endeavor.

As Quebec was a part of Canada, South Africa sees no reason to deny La Republique entry into the Commonwealth, and will support it in a vote.

Britain votes for the admisison of Quebec as a Canadian successor state (i'll add you to the list, you should easily get in).

Britain is also very willing to send troops to East Africa though unfortunately there is no aid budget to send. Much of the army is ready to move once arrangements are finalised.

Nigeria points out that the government of Cameroon requested annexation and a plebescite has already been held. It sees no reason for UN intervention in this matter.

Having reviewed available records, South Africa's Minister to the Commonwealth Jacob Bongani states that the RSA sees no inherently illegal action on the part of the Nigerian republic in its annexation of Cameroon. Bongani admits that the overthrow of the civilian government of Cameroon was regrettable, and acknowledges also that annexation by Nigeria came perhaps sooner than would be ideal; however, results from elections immediately following annexation show that 90% of the Cameroon electorate favored annexation.

Bongani suggests a multinational team of observers from various African states to assess the situation in Cameroon, and determine whether or not the Nigerian government rules Cameroon in an unjust manner; it is clearly implied that the South African government does not believe this to be the case.

Minister Bongani requests that the Commonwealth bring attention to the more immediately pressing concern of the civil wars and famines in Sudan and eastern Africa. Bongani states that South Africa is preparing a peacekeeping force to send to Sudan, and a humanitarian mission to East Africa to assist in the distribution of food. He inquires as to the opinion of the Commonwealth on the matter of the Sudanese civil war.

Although Le Republique knows this is premature, Quebec motions that the nation known as the Republic of India be barred from being a member of the Commonwealth of Nations until its government ceases to be openly and actively anti-Muslim. The Commonwealth cannot be soiled by a nation who's official policy is to descriminate against a minority.

OOC: My mistake, it occured when I wasn't here and from discussions with several people off forum I gathered no plebescite had taken place.

IC: Having been shown to have been misinformed Britain rescinds its condemnation of Nigeria and fires the official who presented the false information to the Commonwealth delegation. A formal review is begun into how information is passed to the Commonwealth delegation and in the future more cooperation with the formal intelligence services and the foreign office is agreed to.

OOC: I suspended India when this thread was inactive, at the fall of their goverment, I assumed the vote would pass easily enough.

The British delegate notes that India was suspended from the Commonwealth recently due to the factionalism and poor government of the country, they will not be readmitted until more tolerant policies towards all human rights are made.

OOC: On this note South Africa may find itself being examined in the future for human rights abuses...

IC: It is noted that a British force, with German humanitarian support, is headed for the Sudan and FSEA region as we speak to provide peacekeeping and humanitarian support there. They would be honoured to work alongside South African forces and close cooperation with FSEA forces is expected. The other members of the Commonwealth are welcome to contribute troops or humanitarian aid to the area.

Although Le Republique knows this is premature, Quebec motions that the nation known as the Republic of India be barred from being a member of the Commonwealth of Nations until its government ceases to be openly and actively anti-Muslim. The Commonwealth cannot be soiled by a nation who's official policy is to descriminate against a minority.

Nigeria notes that Nigeria has a thriving relationship with India and that Nigeria itself has a large Muslim population. The Nigerian government has never seen any such evidence of mistreatment of the Indian Muslims. Nigeria supports the re-entry of the Indian Republic into the Commonwealth.

In other business, Nigeria thanks both South Africa and Great Britain for their concern for the Cameroonian people's welfare.

Nigeria notes that Nigeria has a thriving relationship with India and that Nigeria itself has a large Muslim population. The Nigerian government has never seen any such evidence of mistreatment of the Indian Muslims. Nigeria supports the re-entry of the Indian Republic into the Commonwealth.

In other business, Nigeria thanks both South Africa and Great Britain for their concern for the Cameroonian people's welfare.

Quebec points out the publication of the "Little Green Book" by the Indian government, which states that Muslims are the cause of all evil in India, and that they are lesser citizens. In fact, because of this book, the population of East Bengal, a normally peaceful area, has taken up arms against their Indian oppressors due to the fact that their government is descriminating against them and their people.

Quebec points out the publication of the "Little Green Book" by the Indian government, which states that Muslims are the cause of all evil in India, and that they are lesser citizens. In fact, because of this book, the population of East Bengal, a normally peaceful area, has taken up arms against their Indian oppressors due to the fact that their government is descriminating against them and their people.


Nigeria responds that the so-called "Little Green Book" is no cause for alarm in Nigeria, due to the fact that it really has no effect upon Nigeria anyway. The Nigerian representative argues that the book does not relegate Muslims to second-calss citizens.

"In fact," he says, "I believe most of it to be simple rhetoric. If it were actuall believed, would our country, which has a Muslim majority, even consider working with them? I myself am a Muslim. The book is a simple statement of opinion. I do believe those in power have the right to opinions my friend."

"You would also do well to remember that India was brutally subjagated by a Muslim minority after the 3rd Great War and the Hindu's were also dragged into the Twilight war by a Muslim, something which they had no wish to do. It is understandable."

"I also question Quebec's motives in this. THey are allied to the French and the UIR. The UIR, according to intelligence reports from India, are actively working against the Indian Republic to destablize and harm it. Perhaps Quebec is an arm of those programs? perhaps they wish to see the violence in East Bengal spread?"

OOC: would Nigeria Intel know about both insurgency attempts?

OOC: would Nigeria Intel know about both insurgency attempts?


OOC: We just know what Indian Intel tells us. We know shit all about everything. It's a huge bluff as the FID has yet to get agents in either the UIR and India.

OOC: Oh

France has no comments other than that India is a somewhat unorthodox radical state which could use more experiance (as do all nations) in matters of Diplomacy, however this is beside the matter and quietly and privately asks Quebec to refrain from discussing matters outside of the Commonwealth Agenda.

Meanwhile the Commonwealth's efforts are praised by the President of France and utters a prayer for peace to return to the troubled lands.

OOC: Oh

France has no comments other than that India is a somewhat unorthodox radical state which could use more experiance (as do all nations) in matters of Diplomacy, however this is beside the matter and quietly and privately asks Quebec to refrain from discussing matters outside of the Commonwealth Agenda.

Meanwhile the Commonwealth's efforts are praised by the President of France and utters a prayer for peace to return to the troubled lands.

Although Quebec points out that India re-joining the commonwealth in the future is surely something that has to do with the Commonwealth Agenda, they agree to cease discussion of this topic until a later date.

On Febuary 12, 1970 Ministers from South Africa, Britain and Germany meet in Windhoek to discuss the reworking of the Treaty of Daresalaam. At the meeting, all three agree that the ToD has many good points, but bumps with Germany have caused it to fraction multiple times. Now however, with closer ties in the EEC and closer ties with South Africa due to immigration, the three nations have agreed to re-ratify the treaty.

However, and most importantly, all three have agreed to expand the signatures past the three of them. After the signing, all three agree to let other nations sign. Included in the invitation are members of the EEC, hoping that it can be a treaty to solidify the ties of Europe, as well as EEC allies. Thus:

EEC
Huron
New England
Dixie
Texas
Mexico
Arab Federation
United Islamic Republic
Any member of the Commonwealth of Nations
Jerusalem
Syria
Ethiopia
Congo
Iceland

are specifically invited to join. Other nations are informed that if they wish to further their ties with the EEC or CoN that they should apply for signatory status.

The Goal of the Treaty of Daresalaam is to provide a mutual protection for all signatories as well as to further the cause of World Peace. The Treaty of Daresalaam does not specify that other treaties are invalid, but hopes that all treaties might be treated as quests for peace and thus equal to the ToD. It also specifies that, like the EEC, no memeber is a lesser to any other member, and even members such as Liechtenstein are invited and welcomed, as long as their goals are paramount to the universal goal of World Peace and Brotherhood.

Since all of the SOuth Seas countries are commonwealth nations, and seeing as our neighbors believe us to be a pariah, the Philippines must request to belong to the Commonwealth system. If refused, we desire to know why. That is all.

Since all of the SOuth Seas countries are commonwealth nations, and seeing as our neighbors believe us to be a pariah, the Philippines must request to belong to the Commonwealth system. If refused, we desire to know why. That is all.

Quebec points out that the chances of the Phillipines joining the CoN are slim, seeing how the Phillipines were never a British Colony for a meaningful period of time

Since all of the SOuth Seas countries are commonwealth nations, and seeing as our neighbors believe us to be a pariah, the Philippines must request to belong to the Commonwealth system. If refused, we desire to know why. That is all.

According to the Commonwealth Constitution, "[Nations] may also apply for membership in the Commonwealth, though the one proviso is that they must have at one stage been a colony of Great Britain or else been influenced greatly by it in some way."

As the Phillippines have never been a colony of the British Empire, nor have they been [ooc: to my knowledge] a colony or mandate of another Commonwealth state, South Africa is unsure as to the ability of the Phillippines to join the Commonwealth. That said, it is offered that perhaps the Australians would have a better idea of whether the UIP meet the necessary criterion for joining the CoN.

Parthini']On Febuary 12, 1970 Ministers from South Africa, Britain and Germany meet in Windhoek to discuss the reworking of the Treaty of Daresalaam. At the meeting, all three agree that the ToD has many good points, but bumps with Germany have caused it to fraction multiple times. Now however, with closer ties in the EEC and closer ties with South Africa due to immigration, the three nations have agreed to re-ratify the treaty.

However, and most importantly, all three have agreed to expand the signatures past the three of them. After the signing, all three agree to let other nations sign. Included in the invitation are members of the EEC, hoping that it can be a treaty to solidify the ties of Europe, as well as EEC allies. Thus:

EEC
Huron
New England
Dixie
Texas
Mexico
Arab Federation
United Islamic Republic
Any member of the Commonwealth of Nations
Jerusalem
Syria
Ethiopia
Congo
Iceland

are specifically invited to join. Other nations are informed that if they wish to further their ties with the EEC or CoN that they should apply for signatory status.

The Goal of the Treaty of Daresalaam is to provide a mutual protection for all signatories as well as to further the cause of World Peace. The Treaty of Daresalaam does not specify that other treaties are invalid, but hopes that all treaties might be treated as quests for peace and thus equal to the ToD. It also specifies that, like the EEC, no memeber is a lesser to any other member, and even members such as Liechtenstein are invited and welcomed, as long as their goals are paramount to the universal goal of World Peace and Brotherhood.

ooc
I will have to get back to you on this one

Currently all nations neighboring the UIP are Commonwealth nations, and though a former SPanish colony, the very notion has isolated the Philippines, and the UIP wonders if extenuating circumstances may not be warranted.

And influence can be a very vague term. If Historically the British had not defeated the Spanish in the colonial wars and in the American Revolution, the Independence movements in many of the Spanish colonies would not have occured, and the remaining colonies would not have been so vehemetly held onto. The Philippines can be said to have been influenced by Great Britain in that it's destruction of the Spanish Empire kept it a colony of Europe until 1898.

I think the most telling argument is that we were a colony of a British colony. The Philippines were a US colony for half a century. If the British influenced the Americans, the Americans influenced the Philippines. Therefore fully answering to both stipulations. It says greatly Influenced, not directly. (Loophole there by the way. Also, since when has the Congo been British? I always thought it was Belgian.)

Australia will not be joining the Treaty of Dar es Salaam and pushes on Indonesia and Malaysia (through my influence with points in my intel system spent on them over the years if necessary) to not join as well.

In addition, though the Philippines may indeed be a friend of the Commonwealth in the past and forseeable future, they do not appear to meet requirements for membership. Perhaps a secondary membership as Germany (apparently) as acquired?

How do we not meet the requirments when we have been influenced greatlly by Great Britain? The charter states greatly influenced, not directly. How has the Congo been directly influenced by Great Britain? It's a former Belgian colony. Belgium was an ally of Great Britain, so was the US. Therefore what is the difference between us?

(Well Greatly influenced was removed, but it existed when I requested.)

How do we not meet the requirments when we have been influenced greatlly by Great Britain? The charter states greatly influenced, not directly. How has the Congo been directly influenced by Great Britain? It's a former Belgian colony. Belgium was an ally of Great Britain, so was the US. Therefore what is the difference between us?

(Well Greatly influenced was removed, but it existed when I requested.)

I am unaware of Congo' membership and would have voted against it if I had the chance if they actually are a member. There is no other precedent for a nation without a colonial history under Britain or other Commonwealth member joining the Commonwealth. The US was never a member and so lineage should not be traced though them.

I am unaware of Congo' membership and would have voted against it if I had the chance if they actually are a member. There is no other precedent for a nation without a colonial history under Britain or other Commonwealth member joining the Commonwealth. The US was never a member and so lineage should not be traced though them.

Congo is joining Der Salaam, not Commonwealth

Commonwealth Members:

CR denotes a Commonwealth Realm.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (CR)
The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand (CR)
The Republic of South Africa
The Republic of Ireland
The Commonwealth of Canada and Newfoundland (CR)
The Sultanate of Oman
The Sultanate of Kuwait
The Kingdom of Bhutan
The Kingdom of Nepal
The Republic of The Gambia
The Federal Republic of Nigeria
The Republic of Ghana
The Republic of Senegal
The Togolese Republic
The Union of Burma
The Republic of Cyprus
The Republic of Yemen
The Federation of Malaysia
The Republic of Indonesia
The Republic of Uganda
The Republic of Chad
The Central African Republic
The Republic of Cameroon
The Republic of the Congo <--- Ahem
(It's right here.)
The Republic of Gabon
The Republic of Equatorial Guinea
The Republic of Guinea-Bissau
The Federal States of East Africa (Rwanda, Burundi, Kenya, Tanzania)
The Commonwealth of Antigua and Barbuda (CR)
The Commonwealth of the Bahamas (CR)
Barbados (CR)
Belize (CR)
The Commonwealth of Dominica
Grenada (CR)
Jamaica (CR)
The Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis (CR)
Saint Lucia (CR)
The Commonwealth of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (CR)
The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago
The Federation of the Turks and Caicos Islands (CR)

Commonwealth Members:

CR denotes a Commonwealth Realm.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (CR)
The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand (CR)
The Republic of South Africa
The Republic of Ireland
The Commonwealth of Canada and Newfoundland (CR)
The Sultanate of Oman
The Sultanate of Kuwait
The Kingdom of Bhutan
The Kingdom of Nepal
The Republic of The Gambia
The Federal Republic of Nigeria
The Republic of Ghana
The Republic of Senegal
The Togolese Republic
The Union of Burma
The Republic of Cyprus
The Republic of Yemen
The Federation of Malaysia
The Republic of Indonesia
The Republic of Uganda
The Republic of Chad
The Central African Republic
The Republic of Cameroon
The Republic of the Congo <--- Ahem
(It's right here.)
The Republic of Gabon
The Republic of Equatorial Guinea
The Republic of Guinea-Bissau
The Federal States of East Africa (Rwanda, Burundi, Kenya, Tanzania)
The Commonwealth of Antigua and Barbuda (CR)
The Commonwealth of the Bahamas (CR)
Barbados (CR)
Belize (CR)
The Commonwealth of Dominica
Grenada (CR)
Jamaica (CR)
The Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis (CR)
Saint Lucia (CR)
The Commonwealth of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (CR)
The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago
The Federation of the Turks and Caicos Islands (CR)

That's the REPUBLIC of the Congo, not the DEMOCRATIC Republic of the Congo.

Y'see, in RL, the REPUBLIC of the Congo (otherwise known as Congo-Brazzaville) was part of the French Empire, but in E20, Great Britain took over after the Second Great War. The Democratic Republic of the Congo (Congo-Kinshasa) was, in RL and E20, under Belgian control.

Fine, I found another outlet for my protection.

That's the REPUBLIC of the Congo, not the DEMOCRATIC Republic of the Congo.

Y'see, in RL, the REPUBLIC of the Congo (otherwise known as Congo-Brazzaville) was part of the French Empire, but in E20, Great Britain took over after the Second Great War. The Democratic Republic of the Congo (Congo-Kinshasa) was, in RL and E20, under Belgian control.

in this case Belgian Congo is going by Congo because its bigger then the other Congo and actually has more of the river

and its the actual African name for the place

Zaire as it turns out was Portuguese..

thats Africa for you

Nigeria begins to campaign for Indian membership in the Commonwealth.

Britain votes against any inclusion of nations which were not directly ruled by Britain in the past. Though the charter does allow for inclusion of a select few nations who were not a part of the British Empire, Britain feels that their inclusion at the present moment in time is not yet justified as there are no nations with sufficient ties to Britain or Commonwealth nations.

OOC: That clause is only there for a very few select countries, Mozambique in RL got entry through it due to very close ties to South Africa (after their readmission of course). You have to be very close to other Commonwealth nations to gain entry that way.

IC: Britain votes against the readmission of India into the Commonwealth, the continuing trouble in that nation precludes it from entry in Britain's eyes.

Australasia follows Britain's example and votes against India (and the UIR is still not a member after it failed in its initial application, right?)

Nepal and Bhutan request British security quarantees as they are concerned about India and being caught up in someone elses war

OOC: Yes the UIR is not a member. Nepal and Bhutan are however...

IC: Britain reassures Nepal and Bhutan of their protection by the Commonwealth and Britain in particular. In order to confirm this protection Britain would be glad to station some military forces temporarily in Nepal and Bhutan.

OOC: I doubt anything big could get there soon but if any forces can reach there quick enough i'll send them. Even requisitioning public airline flights to carry units there if needed (probably via India), as many members of the Ghurka brigade and the SAS battalion are to be sent there as possible to show the British flag. If more can be sent then the rest of the BEF will go. Once there they are to begin instructing the local military on modern warfare and prepare dug-in positions on the main mountain passes.

British High Commission (An embassy in Commonwealth nations) staff are instructed to support the local government in any way possible and to try to get the British and Commonwealth flags displayed prominently on any border crossings.

IC: Britain urges other Commonwealth nations to issue their support of Nepal and Bhutan and to do whatever is in their power to protect them militarily.

Nigeria states that with troubles erupting in it's own backyard and with it's current support against the insurgency in India, it cannot at this time dedicate troops to any expeditions to Bhutan or Nepal. However, troops may become avaliable in 1971 for use.

Nigeria also states it's support for the independence, etc. of Bhutan and Nepal.

South Africa would be willing to station air units in Nepal and Bhutan, and possibly ground forces in the future.

Given the progressive worsening of affairs in Burma (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11530421&postcount=39), Britain asks for a vote on which course of action the organisation should take, either to suspend the nation until it has reinstalled democracy and become a safe country once more or else to provide peackeeping forces to rebuild the nation and provide democracy once more.

Given the progressive worsening of affairs in Burma (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11530421&postcount=39), Britain asks for a vote on which course of action the organisation should take, either to suspend the nation until it has reinstalled democracy and become a safe country once more or else to provide peackeeping forces to rebuild the nation and provide democracy once more.

Nigeria votes to send troops in and offers its light infantry division and an infantry division for the task in 1971, as well as a carrier group.

South Africa votes to move a Commonwealth peacekeeping force in to the region, and offers the services of a parachute brigade (elite) and a transport helicopter unit.

OOC: All peacekeeping efforts in Burma will have to gain the consent of Indochina (All most certainly will be given) and will have to work closely with Indochinese forces in the area.

Britain formally asks the Indochinese government for permission for Commonwealth forces to be deployed in Burma on a peackeeping mission to protect the Commonwealth member.

The British contribution to the force would include:

1 HQ unit
1 elite marine light infantry brigade
1 elite paratroop brigade
6 harrier VTOL aircraft and average pilots
3 Do500 Squadrons (transports)
3 Cargo helicopter squadrons (with average pilots)
3 Transport helicopter squadrons (with average pilots)
3 Attack helicopter squadrons (with average pilots)

Further ground forces can be dispatched as well but the British contribution will likely serve largely as the air support for the Commonwealth detachment, leaving the heavy jungle fighting to those more experienced in such matters.

The helicopter and harrier VTOL units are expected to be of use in the jungle environment.

Britain also notes that Kashmir has requested entry into the Commonwealth of Nations, having previously being part of British India it meets the main entrance requirement. Britain is unwilling to exercse influence over admissions and so leaves the decision up to the other Commonwealth members.

Britain formally asks the Indochinese government for permission for Commonwealth forces to be deployed in Burma on a peackeeping mission to protect the Commonwealth member.

The British contribution to the force would include:

1 HQ unit
1 elite marine light infantry brigade
1 elite paratroop brigade
6 harrier VTOL aircraft and average pilots
3 Do500 Squadrons (transports)
3 Cargo helicopter squadrons (with average pilots)
3 Transport helicopter squadrons (with average pilots)
3 Attack helicopter squadrons (with average pilots)

Further ground forces can be dispatched as well but the British contribution will likely serve largely as the air support for the Commonwealth detachment, leaving the heavy jungle fighting to those more experienced in such matters.

The helicopter and harrier VTOL units are expected to be of use in the jungle environment.

Indochina agrees to letting aid from the commenwealth into Burma, it also thanks Britain for helping relieve some of the load that the Indochinese forces are taking.
However the Indochinese do stipulate that all foreign forces in Burma should be under Indochinese command whilst in theater. THis will help streamline peace keeping operations considerably.

The Republic of South Africa expresses its opinion that as Kashmir does fit the criteria for entry into the Commonwealth, it should be allowed membership, especially given present Chinese and Indian actions.

The South African government also informs the Indochinese government that the Republic plans on sending a small contingent of troops to Burma along with the British, though the exact compisition of the force has not yet been decided (ooc: probably 1 infantry division, 1 elite parachute brigade, and some air transport). South Africa will accept overall Indochinese command of any operations in Burma.

Britain is willing to accept Indochinese strategic control of all peacekeeping forces.

The Nigerian delegate voices support for the entry of Kashmir into the Commonwealth.

He then reiterates his countries dedication to peacekeeping in Burma and other parts of Central Asia.

The Nigerian delegate notes that Nigeria has no wish to go to war with China over such a small thing as Kashgaria. As such, Nigeria will vote against the entry of Kashgaria into the Commonwealth, as it would force Nigeria into an unpopular war against the will of the Nigerian people.

OOC: It is Kashmir that is being voted upon, not Kashgaria. Kashmir is the disputed bit between Pakistan and India, Kashgaria is the area China has just invaded on its West border. Kashmir previously was part of India and before that, ruled by Britain so can join.

OOC: It is Kashmir that is being voted upon, not Kashgaria. Kashmir is the disputed bit between Pakistan and India, Kashgaria is the area China has just invaded on its West border. Kashmir previously was part of India and before that, ruled by Britain so can join.

OOC: D'oh.

Australia votes to admit Kashmir to the Commonwealth.

In addition, bitter debates rock Parliament concerning involvement in Burma on the ground. Isolationists duel with those who argue geography demands an Australian response. Finally in early 1971, the small commitment of 1 expert trained Light Marine Brigade is offered, for the duration of one year. The nation is far too concerned with its own domestic troubles to offer much more. However, PM Sinclair does inform Britain that should the situation demand it, he is confident the Australasian people would come to the defense of Commonwealth members Nepal and Bhutan...

The admission of the Republic of Kashmir is formalised (NPC nations will follow PC ones).

The Australians are thanked for their contribution to peackeeping in Burma and for their promise to defend the Commonwealth nations of Nepal and Bhutan.