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In Sardinia, King Charles Emanuel IV, has enacted radical military reforms to increase Sardinia's military power. He lengthens the period of basic training considerably, increases the level of disipline by severly increasing the penalty of retreat against orders: a roman-style decimation. After finding out that his wife was cheating on him, he created an extremly well trained Royal Guard of about 2,000 of his most loyal men to guard the palace and to spy on his wife and suspected corrupted officials. As a result, the Sardinian army drops to only 22,000 trained infatry, 6,000 cavalry, 150 small cannons and an additional 10,000 infatry conscripts. He also is trying to build a large fleet of warships, but a recent storm destroyed a large fleet of merchant shipps carrying iron vital for ship cannons. However, his new taxation program (65%) to pay for all this build-up is making the populace unhappy and a few are taking of social reform but they are mostly ignored by officials

Sardinian Military Forces
Army
1 Regiment of Royal Guard in Cagliari
5 Conscript Regiments en-route to Cyprus
10 Regiments en-route to Tunisia
Navy
3 4th Rate ships
5 Fifth Rate ships
7 6th rate ships
20 assorted sloops and brigs of war and customs boats.

The current deployment of Sardinia armed forces is:
4 6th rate ships escorting transport ships carring 5 regiments of newly conscripted infatry to cyprus--arrive September 24th
3 4th rate ships, 5 fifth rate ships, and 3 6th rate ships escorting 10 regiments of well-trained Sardinian troops to Tunisia--arrive September 8th

Sardinia Porposes a New trade deal to Spain, Incluiding:
1.Taxation of all goods drops 10% across the board for both countries
2.A Discounted price for Sardinia for Spanish iron and other industrial goods
3.Sardinia will subdise Spanish industrial devolpment in their country
4.Sardinia will buy 30% more spanish goods (in tonnage)

Sardinia also offeres a "general defensive alliance" in which both will come to each other's aid in the case of a defensive war

Spain agrees to the trade deal, but prefers not to enter into a defensive pact with Sardinia-Piedmont at this time.

Sardinia realizes that Spain is not willing to engage in a formal diplomatic pact but hopes Spain will be more open in the future

Sardinia's King Charles Emanuel passed a new law on November 21, 1801 that frees 50% of the surfs from their lords and creates a new company, the National Sardinian company, which devoleped an effecient road network connecting the farms of Sardinia with the ports of Alghero and Cagliari, boosting the profits of the island's crops but putting the goverment into substantial debt. To combat this rising debt, the goverment cut all non-essential goverment programs and lowered the money delegated for the king's lifestyle by half. To combat the rising unemployment from the newly freed serfs, the Goverment also created an advertising campaign for the army and 6,000 infatry and 1,200 cavarlymen are recruited into the army, a full 3 regiments, placed in Alghero.

The Sardinia Goverment, in an attempt to increase the effecctiveness of their military, and to gear up for "action", has drafted another 10,000 men and buying 50 more cannon, putting an amazing strain on their econemy and budget. In responce to this, the populace has started strikes and protests against the king's policies, but no violence has errupted just yet. The 5 new military regiments are stationes in Cagliari. To combat the Sardinian debt, the goverment has sold rights to the island's ore deposits to private companies and now tries to combat the debt almost exculsivly

King Charles Emmanuel was very pleased going to bed on August 13, 1802. However, unbeknownst to him there was an unexpected guest about to drop in on him . . . .

The next day, a news bulletin was posted all over Sardinia, the king had been murdered! Suspicions first through to a group of anti-Sardinian protesters, but the Goverment's new leader, King Victor Emmanuel the first, cast suspicion onto the "treacherous Ottomans" and began making deals with Spain, which had invaded the Ottoman Provence of Algeria that month.

Early morning September 1, 1802

The sound of marching awoken most Cagliari residents, who watched 15 regiments of the Sardinian army gather onto transport ships and leave port before dawn. No one knew exactly where they were going, but most thought that they had made an alliance with Spain and were off to algeria, but they find out soon enough . . .

King Victor has decided that his predecessor's domestic policies were putting the country on the right track, so he has decided to cut the military budget and sell 50% of the goverment-controlled farm-land to private companies to pay for 3 projects. The first created a new universities and smaller schools that teach Italian culture and buisness practices. The second expanded on the road network to include paved main roads connecting all major cities with the smaller ones in the country side. The third subsidized all producers of products that the goverment deemed "economiclly healthy". As a result, all roads are improved, and Industry increases to the point of competition with more devolped nations, agriculture is privatised, and 3 regiments are disbanded. The Sardinian Goverment is still in substancial debt, but the increased National income is helping to pay off that debt faster than before.

King Victor has difficulty leading his people who know that they're at war with the drasticly more powerful Ottoman empire, which is spiking the already-enormous Sardinia debt. The king has resorted to more radical measures to cut costs, such as halving the National Sardinian company's budget, which allows the goverment to keep the National debt in check, however the public is still unhappy and depressed, as the taxation program is preventing buisnessess from opening in Sardinia. The only thing that is preventing riots is the king's promise to solve the country's financial problems by foregin conquest and to return the golry that Sardinia lost from it's defeat by France by beating the Ottoman empire

King Victor has difficulty leading his people who know that they're at war with the drasticly more powerful Ottoman empire, which is spiking the already-enormous Sardinia debt. The king has resorted to more radical measures to cut costs, such as halving the National Sardinian company's budget, which allows the goverment to keep the National debt in check, however the public is still unhappy and depressed, as the taxation program is preventing buisnessess from opening in Sardinia. The only thing that is preventing riots is the king's promise to solve the country's financial problems by foregin expansion and colonizing the province of Tunisia.


I think your debt is getting to the point we need to know who your Debtors are.

King Victor has difficulty leading his people who know that they're at war with the drasticly more powerful Ottoman empire, which is spiking the already-enormous Sardinia debt. The king has resorted to more radical measures to cut costs, such as halving the National Sardinian company's budget, which allows the goverment to keep the National debt in check, however the public is still unhappy and depressed, as the taxation program is preventing buisnessess from opening in Sardinia. The only thing that is preventing riots is the king's promise to solve the country's financial problems by foregin expansion and colonizing the province of Tunisia.


OOC:You do realize you still at war with the Ottomans, and Tunisa and Cyprus atm are petty unstable and may be under constant attack by the Ottomans, so yeah i highly doubt any of your people would move to Tunisa right now...during a war..and plus your people growing to dislike your King for having nation go into another war, just after fighting France.... and lower class may start have ideas of rebelling since you send alot of your troops over seas..

Ottomans brings up a good point. I'm going to let the War Mods worry about any peasent uprisings in your country, but I do know that you have debtors. The question is what nations are expecting to pay you back.

Spain might be funding your run at the Ottomans. Their economy was helped significantly after the Prussians bought "New Prussia". The British could be as well, but I doubt they'd be interested in a war in the Mediterranian, especially one that makes them little money. The Austrians could be doing the financing as well, using you as a proxy to fight a war with the Ottomans. The Prussians are broke, and Russia and Denmark would be hard pressed to actually get the money to you. The US isn't a major enough player to finance anything.

The important thing is someone has to be financing this thing, or you're not going to be able to do much besides bluster and throw ill equipped soldiers one regement at a time into the fray. Find someone to support you in this financially, or you really should sit this one out.

Ottomans brings up a good point. I'm going to let the War Mods worry about any peasent uprisings in your country, but I do know that you have debtors. The question is what nations are expecting to pay you back.

Spain might be funding your run at the Ottomans. Their economy was helped significantly after the Prussians bought "New Prussia". The British could be as well, but I doubt they'd be interested in a war in the Mediterranian, especially one that makes them little money. The Austrians could be doing the financing as well, using you as a proxy to fight a war with the Ottomans. The Prussians are broke, and Russia and Denmark would be hard pressed to actually get the money to you. The US isn't a major enough player to finance anything.

The important thing is someone has to be financing this thing, or you're not going to be able to do much besides bluster and throw ill equipped soldiers one regement at a time into the fray. Find someone to support you in this financially, or you really should sit this one out.



I wouldn't say I'm broke. But not having a lot of loose cash lying around is a bit more like the truth.

Figure that Spain owns about half of the debt. We do, after all, support our allies.

I think your debt is getting to the point we need to know who your Debtors are.

Approx. 50% is owned by Spain, 20% owned by citizens of Sardinia, 30% is owned by interanational banks/companies

OOC: Okay, thanks.

After hearing of the victory in tunis, the king tried to make the victory sound more than the minor event that it was, as to make the people think that he was leading them to glory and power. He refered to the battle as "glorious" and "an act of heroisim", and most of the protests showed signs of at least slowing down. The debt and large taxes seemed to be the only problems that are still muttered about in the streets.

King Victor creates a new governing policy for the Territory of Tunisia. Basiclly, he tolerates islam, lowers Corruption by regulating income and expenditure, and starts to harvest salt from the mines in the Northern part of the Territory. Resistence is suprisingly mild, with the knowledge that it will be returned to the Ottoman empre on October 10th, 1807 and the Sardinia "hands off" approach to local politics.

The Neopolitian conquest of Sardinia creates much confusion, since almost 36,000 Sardinian troops are stationed of the coast of Tunisia. Their bold leader, General Marino, proclaims himself the ruler of Sicily and decides to land his troops there in an attempt to feed and pay his army that no longer has a homeland. The rationale is that it's the only island that is possible to be taken, and with most of the Naples forces on the island of Sardinia, it should be easier to take.

What is this thread? It looks cool, but what is it?:confused:

The Neopolitian conquest of Sardinia creates much confusion, since almost 36,000 Sardinian troops are stationed of the coast of Tunisia. Their bold leader, General Marino, proclaims himself the ruler of Sicily and decides to land his troops there in an attempt to feed and pay his army that no longer has a homeland. The rationale is that it's the only island that is possible to be taken, and with most of the Naples forces on the islan of Sicily, it should be easier to take.

If Naples is on Sicily, why take Sicily? unless you mean that the Neapolitans are on Sardinia...

What is this thread? It looks cool, but what is it?:confused:

this is the Imperial Age [Napoleonic Wars] thread. If you're interested, please go here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10484339):).

The Neopolitian conquest of Sardinia creates much confusion, since almost 36,000 Sardinian troops are stationed of the coast of Tunisia. Their bold leader, General Marino, proclaims himself the ruler of Sicily and decides to land his troops there in an attempt to feed and pay his army that no longer has a homeland. The rationale is that it's the only island that is possible to be taken, and with most of the Naples forces on the islan of Sicily, it should be easier to take.


you do realize that The army in Sicily and just across from palermo in Naples is about the same size. Fortified, and can raise Militia as well??????

He'd do better to name himself the ruler of Tunisia.

OOC: Okay, 1 I don't own Tunsia anymore, 2 there isn't a single soldier in Palermo from Naples, and 3 my army is deserting, disbanding, and without pay. They can't land anywhere else, since the Neapolitian navy is blocking any movement north and the Ottomans are south. My commanders are looking for some way to get payed and fed, and this is the only logical soultion.

Also, at this time Sardinian commanders aren't exactly happy to be in their position, and will probably disband the army on first chance they can get. The "operation" is a big lie to get back on dry land.

OOC: Okay, 1 I don't own Tunsia anymore, 2 there isn't a single soldier in Palermo from Naples, and 3 my army is deserting, disbanding, and without pay. They can't land anywhere else, since the Neapolitian navy is blocking any movement north and the Ottomans are south. My commanders are looking for some way to get payed and fed, and this is the only logical soultion.

Also, at this time Sardinian commanders aren't exactly happy to be in their position, and will probably disband the army on first chance they can get. The "operation" is a big lie to get back on dry land.


1. you haven't withdrawn from tunisia yet(Tunisia is still in late 1802, we didn't give the ultimatum till 1803

2. Palermo still has soldiers, know how i know this, I PICKED WHICH UNITS FROM NAPLES WENT TO SARDINIA

3. If the Neopolitan navy is blockading you to the North, you still can't land

4. WHEN A MOD MAKES A RULING, unless your appeal to another Mod goes through. IT sticks.

5. THIS RULING WAS A CONSENSUS FROM, THE ECON MOD(manarth), THE GROUND WAR MOD(ME), THE NAVAL WAR MOD(Manarth), and finally THE REALISM MOD(Ottoman).

6. LOGICALLY THEY'D WANT TO GET HOME, OR STAY PUT, not go off and invade a random country in an operation with no hope of success.

7. THEY WOULDN"T KNOW HOW MANY OF NAPLES TROOPS ARE IN SARDINIA AND THE STRENGTH OF PALERMO or even Sicily's troop dispositions.

8. If you don't like the ruling about Tunisia, here's what you can do, you can surrender your troops to Naples and as Sardinia is absorbed into Naples you can pick another country to play(several are on the verge of opening up in Spain's former colonies)


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OOC: Fine, fine, you don't have to get mad about it. I'll accept the ruling. Also, lets say I have about 8 regiments or half (16,000 infatry and 3,200 cavalry) left in total from the desertions and unsuccessful attack on Scicly. If you have any problem, please tell me

IC: The new tunsian goverment, learning from the mistakes of the previous rulers, begins to train it's remaining troops extensivly. Also, the taxation program is also kept light and the goverment keeps trying to mine resources from the northern part of the country, but local religious fanatics keep harrassing the mines and Troops have been so far unsuccessful in rooting them out.

OOC: Fine, fine, you don't have to get mad about it. I'll accept the ruling. Also, lets say I have about 8 regiments or half (16,000 infatry and 3,200 cavalry) left in total from the desertions and unsuccessful attack on Scicly. If you have any problem, please tell me

IC: The new tunsian goverment, learning from the mistakes of the previous rulers, begins to train it's remaining troops extensivly. Also, the taxation program is also kept light and the goverment keeps trying to mine resources from the northern part of the country, but local religious fanatics keep harrassing the mines and Troops have been so far unsuccessful in rooting them out.
OOC: What is your garrison for Tunisa, I still need to know soon for the future battles between the Ottoman forces that are heading to Tunis.

OOC: Fine, fine, you don't have to get mad about it. I'll accept the ruling. Also, lets say I have about 8 regiments or half (16,000 infatry and 3,200 cavalry) left in total from the desertions and unsuccessful attack on Scicly. If you have any problem, please tell me

IC: The new tunsian goverment, learning from the mistakes of the previous rulers, begins to train it's remaining troops extensivly. Also, the taxation program is also kept light and the goverment keeps trying to mine resources from the northern part of the country, but local religious fanatics keep harrassing the mines and Troops have been so far unsuccessful in rooting them out.


OOC:

Cut it down to 8,000 Infantry and 2,000 Cavalry under the rulers of tunis.


You have about 2-2500 soldiers running around as Brigands in the countryside in bands of no more than 50 or so. They fight each other for turf and your soldiers.

The rest have peaceably gone home.

Now tell me how many of your soldiers are in Tunis itself.

OOC:
Mabye about 5,000 infatry in the city itself and about 2,000 that could march there in a few days from surrounding garrisons. The cavalry is trying to track down bandits in the north and won't be able to make it to a fight unless the Ottomans are heard coming about a week and a half in advance.

Also I have to ask if Algeria is a part of the Ottoman empire or if they are an independent nation after the Spanish pulled out

OOC:
Mabye about 5,000 infatry in the city itself and about 2,000 that could march there in a few days from surrounding garrisons. The cavalry is trying to track down bandits in the north and won't be able to make it to a fight unless the Ottomans are heard coming about a week and a half in advance.

Also I have to ask if Algeria is a part of the Ottoman empire or if they are an independent nation after the Spanish pulled out

considering the way the Spanish left, yeah its part of the Ottoman Empire again.

IC:The new king of Tunisia starts fortifiying the city of Tunis, in anticipation for an Ottoman attack. Knowing his punny army can't hope to deal with the entire Ottoman force, he puts all his hopes on a massive fortification all around Tunis, creating trench lines and a large and deep ditch about a 200 meters out surronding the entire city, hoping to prevent a charge by the Ottomans into his much smaller force. Also, he tries an new tactic, he orders his troops to dig a large number of bunkers to put cannons into so the barrel is only a few inches off the ground, hoping to protect his cannons from artillery fire. A few accidents with these cannons and an orchastrated sabotage attempt puts the garrison at only 50 six pound cannons (I figured that seems reasonable, since I had over a hundred to start with and cannon's can't desert as easily as men) and will be completed by late march 1803. The king also refuses to train a militia, believing that any local troops will quickly switch sides during any Muslim-based attack. The remaining Italian troops were trained almost night and day, for a few months in hopes of improving loyalty and skill. The king also calls for military advisers from France, and in exchange they offer to give offical control of Piedemont to France (instead of just occupying it)