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[E20] Australian News and Diplomatic Thread

Cylea
06-02-2006, 18:27
This is the new thread for Australia in the Earth 1900-2000 alternate history RP. It is closed to all but E20 players. Updates and summary of previous thread below.
Cylea
06-02-2006, 18:28
Australian History (RL) can be found here:
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200471h.html
Link to Old Australian E20 Thread is here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429491
Cylea
06-02-2006, 18:50
Formal Name:
The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand
Short Name:
Australia or Australasia

Membership in:
Commonwealth of Nations
United Nations

Map of Australasia: (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/cylea/AustralasiaMap.png)

Flag of Australasia: (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/cylea/E20AustralianFlag.png)

Territories:
RL Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia, British and Australian Polynesia, Fiji, British and American Samoa, Papua and Western New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Santa Cruz Islands, and New Hebrides Islands.

Population (circa 1970): 26 million

Economic Status (E20 Rules)

Tech Level: 8

Production Centers:
Sydney 5; Melbourne 5; Adelaide 4; Canberra 3; Brisbane 4; Auckland 2; Perth 4; Wellington 3; Port Moresby 2; Ambon 2; Darwin 2
Subtotal = 36 (or 72) points

Commerce:
26 shipping units; 3 national airline; 2 international airline
1 Jet Terminal in Sydney, 1 Jet Terminal in Melbourne
Subtotal = 49 points

Colonial:
New Guinea 2; Polynesia 1; New Caledonia 1
Subtotal = 4

Total Points = 89.5 (or 126.5)
Cylea
06-02-2006, 18:53
Working backward...

1939:
--Global Tensions snap as the Third World War begins. Australia suffers initial losses in naval battles off of Southeast Asia.

1940:
--Joint American/Australian amphibious assaults (including the Australian invasion of Okinawa) lead to the invasion of Japan proper, with ANZAC forces going ashore at Nagoya amidst kamikaze and banzai attacks. The war in the Pacific is over.

1941:
--The invasion of the Ukraine begins the final assault on the Soviet Union. Australian forces are part of the initial landing, though a counterattack by Pact forces shatters that corps and ends direct Australian involvement in the war. Aussie servicemen still serve in occupation duties and as pilots on the front lines.

1942:
--Third World War ends
--Australia and New Zealand unite to form the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand. Possessions of the new nation include all of New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, and a variety of other island chains to the northeast.

1945:
--Prime Minister John Curtin dies in office. His funeral features the first visits to Australia by a US president, British Prime Minister, and King of England. He is succeeded by Ben Chiefly.

1949:
--A successful British nuclear test on Swains Island in Australian territory means that Australia has joined the nuclear powers. An unspecified number of bombs (specifics are classified) are to be transfered annually to Aussie control.
--The Liberal/County Party Coalition under Robert Menzies wins a majority in Parliament on a platform promoting national pride.

1950:
--The new conservative government begins a buildup of the RAN and a modernization effort for the RAAF. Funding on social spending is equalized across all Australasian populations for the first time in history.
--With the outbreak of civil war in the Federated Asian States, Menzies pushes for, (and finally receives permission months later) for Australian naval and air commitments to the Commonwealth cause.

1951:
--Though funding to prepare Indonesia for independence in 2 years has stepped up markedly, the Commonwealth has annexed the Moluccas chain and all minor islands east of Bali and Celebes. These join the nation as the State of Moluccas (capital at Ambon). In addition, New Guinea, the Solomons and other islands to the northeast of the mainland are reorganized into the State of New Guinea (capital at Port Moresby).
--The Australian commitment to India expands to the entire RAN Second Fleet.
--Australasia and the United States sign a mutual defense treaty (ANZUS)

1952:
--The Commonwealth mission to India collapses when the government it was supporting is executed. Australian troops, already ordered to stand down in protest of gas attacks by FAS troops, are withdrawn from the area. PM Menzies skillfully refocuses the nation's humilation from his administration's decisions onto the politics on the subcontinent.
--The Dutch East Indies are formally given independence as Indonesia and Malyasia (the latter of which unified with British holdings in the area). Australian troops depart the region after training their native successors. It is hoped that the two new nations will look on Australia favorably for its successful stewardship of them over the past decade.

1953:
--Australia joins with the United States and other nations to fund NASA and space exploration. Independent Australian missile testing is performed at Townsville, and a NASA launch site for satellites and lunar exploration are completed is compleeted there.
--The AIA (Australian Intelligence Agency) is founded, though its mandate is primarily defensive.
--A rift begins to develop in the ruling Liberal/County coalition, with the young Andrew Parsons leading a Conservative movement favoring ties with the United States, even at the expense of Great Britain.

1954:
--The Conservatives sieze power, placing Andrew Parsons as the new Prime Minister. His skillful handling of the economy ensures his popularity.

1955:
--A global oil shock barely effects the Australian economy as growth actually increases and more funding is shunted toward the military. (conservatives after all)
--A crisis between Germany and the Scandic Union pushes the Commonwealth to annul the Treaty of Dar es Salaam. Conservatives laud the move as one that will allow the nation to make its own decisions independent of Europe.
--The First Australian in space, Geoff Fiskin, sets a temporary endurance record for time in space aboard his Mercury capsule.
--The UN transfers control over East Timor from Portugal to Australia

1956:
--Australian tensions toward its Asian neighbors are put on edge with the sudden announcement of an increase in the Chinese airforce. The popular Parsons meets with Chinese diplomats in Darwin (1st Darwin Talks) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10835385#post10835385) and comes away with several comprehensive treaties of friendship.
--The national move still prevails that all bases should be covered as the nation moves still further into an embrace with the Americans. The general view is not hostile toward Britain in anyway, merely the calculated feeling that Australia should find closer friends.

1957:
--Sino-Australian Wargames on Formosa demonstrate both the skill of Australian airmen and marines, while also illustrating the vulnerablilities of the navy. Calls for an expansion of the navy gain power and plans are made for the construction of several missile cruisers in the following years.
--Talks with the US, UK, FNS, Canada and other nations create the Oceanic Alliance
--A second round of talks with much of the SCT and US are held at Darwin.
Cylea
06-02-2006, 18:54
Australian Military circa 1971:

Merchant Marine:
7,000,000 Tonnes of Shipping

Active Army:
1x HQ Unit
Army Reserve:
2x Infantry Division
2x Mechanized Infantry Division
2x Flak Units
Rapid Response Unit:
2x Light Marine Brigade
2x Mechanized Light Marine Brigade
2x Airborne Brigade
Auxilary Air Arm:
6x Transport Helicopter (Average Pilots)
6x Attack Helicopter (Average Pilots)
3x C141 Transport Squadrons (Average Pilots)

Royal Australian Navy:
1st Fleet:
Heavy Carrier HMAS Australia
--3x F14A Squadrons (expert pilots)
--2x A6 Intruder Squadrons (expert pilots)
--1x ASW Helicopter Squadron (expert pilot)
Heavy Missile Cruiser HMAS Adelaide
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Melbourne
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Darwin
2x AA Cruisers
2x Escort Cruisers
2x Destroyer Groups (Tech 7.5)
2.5x Frigate Groups (Tech 7.5)

2nd Fleet:
Heavy Carrier HMAS New Zealand
--3x F14A Squadrons (expert pilots)
--2x A6 Intruder Squadrons (expert pilots)
--1x ASW Helicopter Squadron (expert pilot)
Heavy Missile Cruiser HMAS Brisbane
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Auckland
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Wellington
2x AA Cruisers
2x Escort Cruisers
2x Destroyer Groups (Tech 7.5)
2.5x Frigate Groups (Tech 7.5)
Coast Guard:
2x Patrol/Escort Groups
3x Coastal Patrol Groups
Submarine Division:
2x Attack Submarines (SSK)
Auxilary Units:
1x Amphibious Assault Group

Royal Australian Airforce:
3x F4 Squadrons (expert pilots)
2x F111 Squadrons (expert pilots)
1x KC135 Squadrons (average pilots)
Royal Australian Airforce Reserve:
3x F4 Squadrons (expert pilots)
2x F111 Squadrons (expert pilots)
1x KC135 Squadrons (average pilots)
1x E3 Sentry Squadron (average pilot)

Australasian Nuclear Deterrent:
Note: Details on this special weapons division beyond its existence are classified. Numbers and types of weapons possessed are under the highest security.
--60x 1 Megaton Gravity Atomic Bombs
--30x Tactical Battlefield Type (50km range) Missiles (5x 6 Launchers)
--RAN is capable of Deploying Nuclear tipped Torpedos and Depth Charges
Cylea
06-02-2006, 23:57
The end of the Third World War has laid many truths about the world to rest, and made others even more abundantly clear. One such truth is that if Australia is to hold a place of influence in the Pacific, it will need to increase its population dramatically. The nation is holding under UN mandate a series of islands whose population is more than double its own!

As such, the government in the last months of 1945 has begun support for a new immigration program. With focus on the massed, overburdened populations in India and China in particular, this campaign offers large tracts of land as well as transport costs for any family who wishes to move "down under." The high standard of living and social safety net are among those attributes that are emphasized.
Lesser Ribena
09-02-2006, 18:16
Dear Sir,

I am writing to you in response to a matter brought to me by the Federated Asian States' government. That is of the matter of the readmission of the FAS into the Commonwealth of Nations and subject to all the rights and responsibilities thereof. The FAS had previously been a member of Commonwealth under the auspices of India, the only change to the composition is the inclusion of Iran and Afghanistan which were both previously ruled by Britain for a period of time and hence legally allowed to be a member of the Commonwealth. All that is required is a vote from all Commonwealth nations as to whether to allow the readmission of the FAS. This vote will be conducted at our next meeting session.

Patrick Gordon Walker, British Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations

OOC: a yes or no in reply to this post or on my news thread will suffice.
Cylea
09-02-2006, 22:26
Dear Sir,

I am writing to you in response to a matter brought to me by the Federated Asian States' government. That is of the matter of the readmission of the FAS into the Commonwealth of Nations and subject to all the rights and responsibilities thereof. The FAS had previously been a member of Commonwealth under the auspices of India, the only change to the composition is the inclusion of Iran and Afghanistan which were both previously ruled by Britain for a period of time and hence legally allowed to be a member of the Commonwealth. All that is required is a vote from all Commonwealth nations as to whether to allow the readmission of the FAS. This vote will be conducted at our next meeting session.

Patrick Gordon Walker, British Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations

OOC: a yes or no in reply to this post or on my news thread will suffice.

Sir--

Australia feels that it must follow South Africa's example on the vote to readmit India into the Commonwealth. Its government has proved itself inconsistant to the point of danger--it cuts its losses with no regard for previous obligations and acts acts extremely belligerant to other nations with little provocation--the recent incident with Gran Colombia stands out.

We do not vote against a reunion between the FAS and the Commonwealth, however, Australia shall abstain from voting in favor of it.

Yours

Leonard Williams
Australian Minister to the Commonwealth of Nations
Lesser Ribena
10-02-2006, 17:48
OOC: Sorry more Commonwealth stuff:

Sirs,
I speak before you today to bring you news of a German proposal for the Commonwealth. The German government wishes to extend the Treaty of Daresalaam to cover the entire Commonwealth of Nations instead of just Britain. This treaty has lain dormant since it's first inception in 1906 and the resultant absorption of Germany by the Union. However since the UN has smashed the Communist threat and the rightful German government replaced at the head of Germany the treaty has been reactivated and applied to the UK. The treaty calls for all signatories to support others in times of war by indirect means such as the supply of foodstuffs or ammunition. The treaty also allows signatories the limited rights to harbour warships in each other's ports. It is Britain's intent to vote for the application of such a useful defensive treaty to the Commonwealth and I believe that such an arrangement can only further Commonwealth ties with Europe and the rest of the world as a whole. However Britain will abide by whatever majority decision is reached.

Patrick Gordon Walker, British Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations
Cylea
10-02-2006, 18:18
OOC: Sorry more Commonwealth stuff:

Sirs,
I speak before you today to bring you news of a German proposal for the Commonwealth. The German government wishes to extend the Treaty of Daresalaam to cover the entire Commonwealth of Nations instead of just Britain. This treaty has lain dormant since it's first inception in 1906 and the resultant absorption of Germany by the Union. However since the UN has smashed the Communist threat and the rightful German government replaced at the head of Germany the treaty has been reactivated and applied to the UK. The treaty calls for all signatories to support others in times of war by indirect means such as the supply of foodstuffs or ammunition. The treaty also allows signatories the limited rights to harbour warships in each other's ports. It is Britain's intent to vote for the application of such a useful defensive treaty to the Commonwealth and I believe that such an arrangement can only further Commonwealth ties with Europe and the rest of the world as a whole. However Britain will abide by whatever majority decision is reached.

Patrick Gordon Walker, British Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations

Australia will cautiously support this treaty. It is true that such an arrangement is useful in defense, although it seems such a document could also draw nations into an unwanted war. However, Mr. Walker's points are valid.

ooc: think maybe we should have a Commonwealth thread started for things like this? It would consolidate a lot of posting.
Cylea
10-02-2006, 22:35
July 12th 1945

Prime Minister John Curtin died today in Canberra from natural causes. Lauded as perhaps the greatest Australian Leader in history, Curtin presided over the formation of the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand, and guided the nation through the 3rd World War. His example and inspirational spirit to the people were captured perhaps most elegantly in a speech made the War Memorial in Perth nearly three years ago (found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10329010&postcount=63)). Curtin was 60 years old and leaves behind the very beginnings of a policy designed to bring Australia to the forefront of the world scene, beginning with a much debated immigration policy.

Chosen to follow him in office is Ben Chiefly, also of the Labor Party. Chiefly promised in a speech "to honor [Curtin's] memory in the best way possible, by carrying his policies and his memory forward with us into the bright future he made possible."

John Curtin will be buried in Perth in the coming weeks. Leaders of all nations are invited to attend.
[NS]Parthini
10-02-2006, 22:50
Australia will cautiously support this treaty. It is true that such an arrangement is useful in defense, although it seems such a document could also draw nations into an unwanted war. However, Mr. Walker's points are valid.

ooc: think maybe we should have a Commonwealth thread started for things like this? It would consolidate a lot of posting.

I'm gonna be honest. I don't expect a whole lot of defensive war going on with Germany :)

I just figure it would be cool to restore Anglo-Germanic relations. Plus if India's gonna go radical a force in Eurasia might be nice...

IC: The Kaiser himself will attend the funeral of Mr. Curtain and then wishes to tour Australia on a goodwill mission and to push for the radification of the Treaty of Daresalaam.
New Dornalia
10-02-2006, 23:00
July 12th 1945

Prime Minister John Curtin died today in Canberra from natural causes. Lauded as perhaps the greatest Australian Leader in history, Curtin presided over the formation of the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand, and guided the nation through the 3rd World War. His example and inspirational spirit to the people were captured perhaps most elegantly in a speech made the War Memorial in Perth nearly three years ago (found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10329010&postcount=63)). Curtin was 60 years old and leaves behind the very beginnings of a policy designed to bring Australia to the forefront of the world scene, beginning with a much debated immigration policy.

Chosen to follow him in office is Ben Chiefly, also of the Labor Party. Chiefly promised in a speech "to honor [Curtin's] memory in the best way possible, by carrying his policies and his memory forward with us into the bright future he made possible."

John Curtin will be buried in Perth in the coming weeks. Leaders of all nations are invited to attend.

Our Majesty Emperor Gang will visit the funeral of John Curtin, and he sends this message.

"Mr. Curtin was a good man who helped, with the concert of liberty, to ensure that the Third World War ended on the side of freedom, not Socialist tyranny. I will attend his funeral, and pay my respects to this man."
Galveston Bay
10-02-2006, 23:13
President Truman and Secretary of State Marshall both send personal condolences to the people of Australia, and both will be flying to Australia for the funeral. Also attending will be Admiral Nimitz (retired), General Macarthur and General Eisenhower.

Truman plans to visit Japan and then Russia, Sweden and then Britain after the funeral, while Marshal will be visiting the Seoul Treaty Nations as well as Burma and then flying to South Africa and then Colombia before returning home.
[NS]Parthini
10-02-2006, 23:17
President Truman and Secretary of State Marshall both send personal condolences to the people of Australia, and both will be flying to Australia for the funeral. Also attending will be Admiral Nimitz (retired), General Macarthur and General Eisenhower.

Truman plans to visit Japan and then Russia, Sweden and then Britain after the funeral, while Marshal will be visiting the Seoul Treaty Nations as well as Burma and then flying to South Africa and then Colombia before returning home.

Reaaaal cool... leave out the Germans, eh?
Galveston Bay
10-02-2006, 23:20
Parthini']Reaaaal cool... leave out the Germans, eh?

see US thread
Cylea
10-02-2006, 23:20
Parthini']I'm gonna be honest. I don't expect a whole lot of defensive war going on with Germany :)

I just figure it would be cool to restore Anglo-Germanic relations. Plus if India's gonna go radical a force in Eurasia might be nice...

IC: The Kaiser himself will attend the funeral of Mr. Curtain and then wishes to tour Australia on a goodwill mission and to push for the radification of the Treaty of Daresalaam.

both valid reasons (especially the last one--::gulp:: ), and as stated, Australia supports the treaty. Drumming up goodwill always helps though--it will be noted and Australian officials are proud to give the Kaiser a tour of their nation.
Malkyer
11-02-2006, 19:02
Prime Minister Smuts sends his condolences to both the family of PM Curtin, and the Australian nation. Smuts will be flying to Australia for the funeral.
Cylea
11-02-2006, 21:04
Intent on protecting its shores in a world that seems to know no peace, the government supports the reexpansion of the Navy after cuts in 1945 to protect the nation and its mandate over Indonesia. A submarine arm is reconstituted and work begins on Australia's first aircraft carrier, the HMAS Curtin. (ooc: australia historically got 2 carriers post WW2). Aid is continued to China and immigration is encouraged to boost the population (again historically under the Chiefly administration through Arthur Calwell) under the slogan "populate or perish."

ooc: I believe that a war twice as horrible as RL ww2 in which asian populations received the brunt of the damages would soften the hearts of most Australians. It may be true that many are not fond of orientals, but to actively deport them in as in RL seems extreme for this timeline. "White Australia" may still exist but it is going to be much more relaxed and less enforced.
Lesser Ribena
12-02-2006, 21:08
The British nation is saddened at the news of John Curtin's premature death and there are amny within the government who wish to attend his funeral. In the interest of numbers the following people have been permitted to attend: British PM, foreign secretary and Commonwealth secretary, the King, his wife, Elizabeth, and his daughters Elizabeth and Margaret.

A book of condolence has been started at parliament and will be dispatched to Australia after 2 weeks.
Lesser Ribena
12-02-2006, 22:18
New Commonwealth Discussion Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10411597)
Galveston Bay
13-02-2006, 05:09
The Truman Administration offers to transfer 1 Essex class carrier and 5 destroyers to the Royal Australian Navy (ooc it will cost you 2 points to refit the ships and upgrade the carrier to jet capable). Also, the US is willing to sell F7U Corsair carrier jet fighters as well (cost you 2 points, plus you will need a carrier pilot unit,costing 2 points, for it).

ooc
a much bigger and more capable carrier then the 2 light carriers the Australians got from the British historically
Cylea
13-02-2006, 05:38
The Truman Administration offers to transfer 1 Essex class carrier and 5 destroyers to the Royal Australian Navy (ooc it will cost you 2 points to refit the ships and upgrade the carrier to jet capable). Also, the US is willing to sell F7U Corsair carrier jet fighters as well (cost you 2 points, plus you will need a carrier pilot unit,costing 2 points, for it).

ooc
a much bigger and more capable carrier then the 2 light carriers the Australians got from the British historically

friggin sweet. How does that compare to the carrier i started building in 1946?

It seems as if I might be better served not building that one, and spending the 15 points for that on these upgrades instead. I assume I can do that since 1946 technically starts tmrw?
New Shiron
13-02-2006, 05:50
friggin sweet. How does that compare to the carrier i started building in 1946?

It seems as if I might be better served not building that one, and spending the 15 points for that on these upgrades instead. I assume I can do that since 1946 technically starts tmrw?

yes you can
Arcanea
13-02-2006, 06:09
Italia sends its deepest condolences for the passing of John Curtin. King Umberto II will be attending the funeral.
Lesser Ribena
19-02-2006, 18:34
The British government approaches the Australians in relation to renting out uninhabited parts of the Outback for the nuclear testing program. In exchange Britain will allow Australia to receive a reasonable amount (~5%) of British made nuclear devices once the project has reached completion. Australia is encouraged to take up the offer as she will become one of the world's few nuclear powers (USA, Soon to Include: the SU, South American Federation thing and Britain). The nuclear tests are still 2 years away but it is hoped that the Australians will grasp this opportunity to be a part of this program. Australian investment is also welcomed and more devices may be forthcoming if economic investment occurs (its a very costly program).


OOC: Based on the British nuclear tests of the 50's at Maralinga in Australia's Outback desert. It'll render the area uninhabitable for a while (30-50 years, less with proper disposal) but as it's uninhabited desert land anyway it's unlikely to matter.
Cylea
20-02-2006, 18:26
The British government approaches the Australians in relation to renting out uninhabited parts of the Outback for the nuclear testing program. In exchange Britain will allow Australia to receive a reasonable amount (~5%) of British made nuclear devices once the project has reached completion. Australia is encouraged to take up the offer as she will become one of the world's few nuclear powers (USA, Soon to Include: the SU, South American Federation thing and Britain). The nuclear tests are still 2 years away but it is hoped that the Australians will grasp this opportunity to be a part of this program. Australian investment is also welcomed and more devices may be forthcoming if economic investment occurs (its a very costly program).


OOC: Based on the British nuclear tests of the 50's at Maralinga in Australia's Outback desert. It'll render the area uninhabitable for a while (30-50 years, less with proper disposal) but as it's uninhabited desert land anyway it's unlikely to matter.

The Chiefly Administration is rather uneasy with the idea of detonating nuclear weapons on Australian soil, in part because of the presence of former New Zealand government officials in the cabinet. The idea is cautiously put forward that any testing should be done in more remote locations, perhaps akin to the Americans' Bikini Atoll. Our government recommends Swains Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swains_Island), an Australian possession as far away from civilization as possible. Should this prove acceptable, we would also require the promise of aid in cleanup after testing is complete.

OOC: the PM who historically gave Britain permission to use the outback is not in power right now, and the guy who is is not quite as reflexively pro-the mother country. Combine that with getting independence earlier and the influence of New Zealand (who historically threw out the ANZAC treaty b/c the US wanted to dock nuclear powered warships in Wellington) and you get a nation not quite so eager to jump on the nuclear train. The lure of our own atomic weapons, especially with the unease over India, is enough to get this much. What do you think?
Lesser Ribena
21-02-2006, 15:53
The British government would be glad to test weapons at Swain's Island particularly given the opportunity there to test how an underwater or on ship detonation will react. British experts will be on hand post-detonation to assist with the cleanup operation.

OOC: The British government is fine with the new site. Cleanup will be aided by British scientists though it is still rather a poor process at the moment consisting basically of digging large trenhes and putting contaminated matter into them including top soil and rocks etc. Though a new version of teh Geiger counter developed by the American Sidney H. Liebson will help.
Cylea
21-02-2006, 21:32
ooc: works for me. I need to change my 1947 build to show this though. How much help do you need/want for this nuke project pointswise?
Lesser Ribena
22-02-2006, 09:52
OOC: It's costing me 24 points per turn at the moment which is quite a lot even for Britain to pay. Plus next year I am developing nuclear power stations which will be a further 12 points from me (and 12 from Germany) so I could really use whatever aid you can give me. Every little helps, and obviously the more aid the more weapons you will receive post-production.
Cylea
22-02-2006, 15:23
OOC: It's costing me 24 points per turn at the moment which is quite a lot even for Britain to pay. Plus next year I am developing nuclear power stations which will be a further 12 points from me (and 12 from Germany) so I could really use whatever aid you can give me. Every little helps, and obviously the more aid the more weapons you will receive post-production.

I can give you 9 in 1947. We'll see from there.
Lesser Ribena
22-02-2006, 19:59
OOC: Thanks, that's more than I was expecting! I'm sure some completed nuclear devices will be winging their way to Australia (by transport, not agressively!) when mass production begins (year 4 and 5 of the program).
Cylea
27-02-2006, 18:24
ooc: this is a little rough, I hope to have it more IC when I have more time.

1947) Australia begins contributing to British nuclear research and prepares a testing ground. Social Services to Indonesia and other Islands are increased and construction begins on a Production Center on Java.

1948) Policies are continued from above. Government begins to invest in "civilizing" parts of New Guinea. A small nationalist movement begins urging for the outright annexation of Indonesia and other Australian possessions.

The military has been kept at a fairly static level since the purchase of USS Mobile Bay from the Americans. The airforce has been refurbished with more modern aircraft, and a move is afoot to increase the air reserve.
Cylea
06-03-2006, 00:39
ooc: again this is rough. Hope to improve it soon.

Prime Minister Chiefly gave a speech in Melbourne today concerning immigration to the nation. Preliminary studies seem to show that the nation has reached a ceiling to its industrial production, simply because its population can not fuel the growth of any more jobs. Naturally the public is displeased with this news--with the rise of powerful nations and the proliferation of nuclear technology across the glove it seems at times that the general peace in the world is more fragile than it should be.
The PM announced that his government would be considering ideas to boost the nation's position in world affairs. Atomic research in collaboration with the British is about to bear fruit and the idea has been floated that Australia should conduct missle research in competition with other nations. However such ideas will have to wait until after elections are conducted in Parliament, scheduled for later this year.
Lesser Ribena
11-03-2006, 21:48
Crossposted from British News Thread:

Britain's first nuclear test is made on the Australian Pacific Territory of Swain's Island. It is a 20 kiloton sized detonation and scientists are beginning to study effects of the fallout and detonation on the area's flora, fauna and landscape. British experts have been brought in to contain the radiation to the immediate region as far as possible, though effects are expected to be extremely minimal due to the isolated location chosen. Half a dozen bombs are expected to be ready by the year's end (minus the one already detonated) with one of them being donated to the Australian government/military for their own testing and weapons program. Production of the bombs is expected to be fully operational by next year with 12 bombs being produced per annum, one of which will be donated to Australia. Production of Hydrogen bombs (via knowledge gained from the USA) is expected to reach the same levels. Though no Hydrogen bombs will be made available to other nations as this was the condition on the use of US technology.

News reel footage of the explosion is shown on the BBC and in cinemas around the Empire (and is offered to Commonwealth nations and Germany for useage there) in an attempt to demonstrate the fact that Britain can stand up for itself and it's allies in this modern world.

Secret IC: Two of the bombs are transferred to the Stettin base in Germany by a C54 transport aircraft as soon as they are produced. They are placed under a heavy armed guard in a hanger at the base alongside the B54 nuclear capable aircraft present there.
Cylea
15-03-2006, 00:56
ooc: damn not checking jolt for 2 days. New year rolls around and I need to post the results of Australian elections, a response to the nukes, economic builds and the response to the civil war in india. Really hope that i will have something soon.
Cylea
17-03-2006, 04:42
December 19th, 1949:

The conservative Liberal/Country Party coalition has been given a convincing majority in Parliament in elections held a week ago. Robert Menzies is the new Prime Minister. His party has argued for increased unity between Australia and New Zealand with what has been seen as more inferior territories in the nation, specifically New Guinea. The new government has announced plans to cut social spending on the "home" territories and will use the additional money to increase spending on New Guinea and the island territories. After all, the argument goes, those areas are formally part of the Commonwealth and have long been slighted by the government.

Recent important events have included the successful testing of a British nuclear weapon on the Australian held Swain's Island. Though condoned by the Chiefly Administration, the public was not delighted with the news, especially when warning of the event was given only weeks before when it was authorized years before hand. Needless to say, the issue was mentioned in the campaign by Menzies.

However, the mother country has promised one atomic weapon per year to this nation in exchange for "services rendered," thus meaning that Australiasia has joined the Nuclear Club. Still, extending from the unease of depending on an ally for self-defense (an ally that is bound by treaty to not share further developments like the new hydrogen bomb), Menzies has announced relatively massive increases in funding for the military--specifically the navy. Two new cruisers will be launched in 1952, two more are in dry dock for upgrades, and a new submarine squadron will be launched later next year. 1950 looks to be a proud year for the Australian people.
Cylea
17-03-2006, 04:47
The outbreak of Civil War in India is a most discouraging development. Despite Prime Minister Menzies' eagerness to help the rest of the Commonwealth through military means, proposals to that end in Parliament have been frozen by the opposition that does not wish to get involved in what seems to be yet another war overseas. Now it is April, and with the PM's economic policy firmly in place, Menzies now has the political capital to push for Australasian involvement in the subcontinent. Calling on the need to "rally with our brothers," the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand has activated one fighter wing of Hawker Hunters and 5 Submarines to be used at the discretion of Commonwealth leaders. Should the war progress well, enough leverage might be gained to commit troops on the ground, and the 1st Airborne brigade is on alert for deployment...
Cylea
20-03-2006, 22:27
The Menzies Administration begins shunting massive amounts of funding into Indonesia in the hope that that nation will remain a close ally when it gains its independence in 2 years. If nothing else, the government views that massive archipelago as a possible barrier against the apparent instability in South Asia. However, pressure is quietly exherted on the eastern parts of Indonesia (specifically the Moluccas) to consider the possibility of remaining under Australian control with the promise of greater autonomy as a state in the Commonwealth.

Moves to cut the budget (as promised during the campaign) by Parliament are delayed just barely by the government with the promise that this will be done as soon as the crisis in India is resolved. Upgrades of the RAAF using American aircraft designs begin in earnest. On another military note, nearly half of the RAN has been deployed to assist the Commonwealth in the FAS civil war.

In addition, wary of being left behind technologically by its neighbors, testing of short range ballistic missiles resembling the V2 begin in the area around Townsville. No official word is made on the issue by the government.
Cylea
23-03-2006, 00:30
it kind of evolved into the UN, so renewing it would be a good idea I think.

The US is willing to very, very covertly provide Australia with a dozen 1 megaton gravity bombs for its bomber fleet (as a strategic deterrent) and nuclear tipped torpedoes and depth charges for the RAN and a few dozen tactical (battlefield type, 50 km range) missiles for its self defense (along with the 20 KT warheads to go with them)

In exchange, the US would want a US / Australasian mutual defense treaty and continued basing rights. Plus the ability to build a space tracking station at Alice Springs

IC: The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand will happily agree to a mutual defense treaty and a space tracking station at Alice Springs. (ooc: this means that Perth gets to turn on all its lights for a US mission! yay!)

Uber-Secret IC: Menzies quickly agrees to this offer. However, the bombers to deliver those will have to be built, as the RAAF only has light bombers right now. That will be put in the budget next year.

ooc: specific numbers on the tactical missiles so I can keep track? 30 maybe?
Galveston Bay
23-03-2006, 00:36
IC: The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand will happily agree to a mutual defense treaty and a space tracking station at Alice Springs. (ooc: this means that Perth gets to turn on all its lights for a US mission! yay!)

Uber-Secret IC: Menzies quickly agrees to this offer. However, the bombers to deliver those will have to be built, as the RAAF only has light bombers right now. That will be put in the budget next year.

ooc: specific numbers on the tactical missiles so I can keep track? 30 maybe?

the B57 can carry the, as can the F105 (gravity bombs)... remember nukes are getting smaller as the US builds more of them. Missiles are Lance missiles with 20 kiloton warheads... 30 would equip 5 x 6 launcher batteries
Cylea
23-03-2006, 03:33
most excellent. I just got F105's on my last built. A secret thanks.
Cylea
27-03-2006, 18:40
The collapse of the Indian Government leaves Commonwealth forces beating a hasty and embarrassing retreat. Popular opinion in Australia turns temporarily against the government for allowing such a disaster, but through skillful politics on the part of Menzies, is focused against the FAS.

However, the greatest crises are in the Middle East, as Australia finds itself in the perilous situation of having allies on both sides of the conflict. The government remains quiet, hoping that everything will blow over without the nation being forced to take a side and potentially alienate a friend.

Plans to begin the training of a military for the soon to be independent Indonesia and Malyasia in 1952. It is hoped that the two nations will remain close Australasian allies when the final apron strings are cut as scheduled in October of 1953.
Galveston Bay
01-04-2006, 05:04
The US government covertly approaches Australia and South Africa about joining in with the US in the space age. The US wants tracking stations in Africa, Australia and Australian controlled Oceania, and to build a launch facility near Townsville, Australia and another facility near Capetown (for South Polar launches and equatorial launches).

If both nations provide 2 points a year, then Australian and South African personnel will be trained by the US and fly along with US astronauts once space missions begin.
Cylea
01-04-2006, 15:10
The US government covertly approaches Australia and South Africa about joining in with the US in the space age. The US wants tracking stations in Africa, Australia and Australian controlled Oceania, and to build a launch facility near Townsville, Australia and another facility near Capetown (for South Polar launches and equatorial launches).

If both nations provide 2 points a year, then Australian and South African personnel will be trained by the US and fly along with US astronauts once space missions begin.

ooc: HELLS YES

IC: The Menzies government eagerly jumps aboard the proposal--promising to supply the points and possible looking in the budget for more as technology and costs progress.
Cylea
10-04-2006, 03:15
1953 has been a quiet year for the Australasian people. The government has quietly expanded its international role, and the absence of direct dangers nearby have been a much welcomed break.

Nationally:
The Commonwealth officially joins with the US, South Africa, and Canada in a manned spaceflight effort. Australian spending on the project is second most in the coalition and WWIII ace Geoff Fiskin of the RAAF has been selected as the nation's first Astronaut. The missile testing ground at Townsville (at which newer improved MRBMs have been flown this year) has been christened Southern Cross Space Flight Center. Two Pioneer Lunar Flyby vessels have successfully launched, sending back spectacular pictures of our nearest celestial neighbor. There have been grumbles from some old Imperial loyalists in Parliament that the mother country has abandoned its colonies in favor of bedfellows in Europe, and that Australia is lucky to have a second set of friends in the United States, but for now the voices are few.

The Australian Intelligence Agency (AIA) is founded, with a mission of protecting the nation from spys and other devious international tricks. For now, the organization is purely defensive in nature.

Investments in a nascent electronics industry promises to pull the nation into the future, as well as assist with all sorts of modernization possibilities.

Militarily:
Modernization of the Air Force is completed. PM Menzies, swimming in political capital after weathering the "incident" in the FAS is pushing for a reorganization of the army next year along a smaller, rapid deployment group. Funding for other branches of the military is expected to remain constant.

Economically:
Social Spending is kept at a high constant level for all citizens and territories.

Funding is poured into the new state of Moluccas for industry.

Menzies beats off promises to go to cut spending for what may be the last time. Support in Parliament is enough that a final decision may be made by early in 1954.

Melbourne proudly prepares for hosting of the Olympic Games in 1956.
Cylea
13-04-2006, 03:28
1954 Events:

Politically, Australia has entered an unpredictable era. On January 7th this year, Andrew Parsons, a senior member of Parliament, and a member of the ruling Liberal/County coaltion, announced a proposal for a new national path.

Though dismissed by PM Menzies as irrelevant, it quickly became clear that Parsons had accumulated a great deal of support in Parliament secretly over the past few years. The global recession resulting from oil shortages provided the perfect opportunity In a flex of political might, Parsons' loyalists (informally calling themselves the Conservatives) pushed a budget through that included the long awaited cut-spending. Wishing to avoid possible dissolution of the majority, Menzies has gone along with the "rebellion."

By May it had become clear that Parsons was head of the party, not Menzies. Though voters returned results in the May 29th election expanding the Liberal/County majority, most of those elected called themselves conservatives. By June 1st Andrew Parsons had become the newest Australasian Prime Minister. Promising to maintain a path of conservatism, the new PM alluded in a speech to choices that must be made in this "fierce new world" and that Australia must not be too afraid to strike up its own destiny away from the "well trod roads of the past."

ooc: not really any such guy as parsons in RL, but for game purposes, lets assume he should have died at a Galipolli that was never fought.
Cylea
17-04-2006, 17:27
The depression brought on by spiking oil prices that brought down the Menzies Ministry hits Australia, though its effects are minimal so far. The nation is still running at full economic capacity (ooc: max number of industrial centers for the population, so all the excess growth that is capped off needs to be accounted for somewhere) and thanks to cut spending growth is near 5%

UN sponsored plebiscites have removed Portuguese control from East Timor and Australasia has stepped in to administer the territory. It is the not too secret hope of many in power that the island will join the Commonwealth formally before the Australian mandate on the territory expires.

A coast guard has been established that will include a number of light vessels patrolling the nation's long coast and the reconstitution of the army into a rapid response elite force, backed by a larger reserve. To provide more firepower the 1st Mechanized Division has been reactivated, as it has been dorment since the end of the 3rd World War.

Australian expansion of missile techology should achieve the successful launch of a Redstone type missile (codenamed the Wallaby) by the end of the year. In addition, the first Australian in space is expected sometime this summer.
Galveston Bay
18-04-2006, 07:33
NASA announces an ambitious plan of communications satellite launches this year out of the Southern Cross Space Flight Center, nearly a dozen in all and routine operations will continue for the years ahead. This network of satellites will serve the needs of Africa, the Indian Ocean, Australasia and the South Pacific.

Similar launches in California and Florida will serve North America and provide coverage for Russia eventually as well.
Cylea
18-04-2006, 14:46
ooc: anything in particular that needs to be done to facilitate this besides the 5 points a year I am spending? And I'm assuming this will count for the Tech level upgrade requirement...
Galveston Bay
18-04-2006, 16:11
ooc: anything in particular that needs to be done to facilitate this besides the 5 points a year I am spending? And I'm assuming this will count for the Tech level upgrade requirement...

ooc
nope, that should do it (the points)
Cylea
20-04-2006, 05:15
April 28th 1955:

Prime Minister Parsons addresses Parliament concerning the spiking tensions in northern Europe. In a speech condeming aggressive moves on all sides that have brought the world to the brink of yet another war, the PM called for peace.

Of more interesting note to many political commentators were the not so veiled derogatory references to the Treaty of Dar es Salaam. Parsons attacked the amendment as "a twisted chain dragging us back into the night," and claiming that warnings to the Parliament when the Labour government narrowly approved the measure had gone unheeded. It has been Conservative policy for some time to take a more Pacific-centered outlook on foreign policy, and the prospect, though technically slim, of being drawn into Europe again has many uneasy.

Parsons closed his address with the angry claim that "this nation, the Jewel of the Pacific, possess the sole right to determine its own destiny in this world. Those who seek to shackle us to a path not of our choosing must be ready to accept our independence of action, and trust that we shall always do what is right."

Thunderous applause from Conservatives ensued, though naturally old Imperial loyalists and those with closer ties to the Commonwealth and Empire were shocked and dismayed. Public opinion is more divisively split on the issue than any other in recent memory.

Construction of the Coast Guard has been rushed, and units of the RAN are put on a slightly higher alert.
Cylea
20-04-2006, 15:08
May 2nd 1955:

British renunciation of the Treaty of Dar es Salaam makes Australian action inevitable as Imperial loyalists and Conservatives unify. Parliament casts an overwhelming vote in favor of removing the Treaty from the Commonwealth constitution and in the jubilation is slipped a measure announcing that should the Commonwealth vote not pass, that Australia will still not recognize the treaty.
Cylea
24-04-2006, 14:46
The Scandic-German crisis seems to have been defused by the UN, after 2 weeks of frantic negotiation in early May. As such, 1955 draws slowly to a close.

The major new event of the year was of course Astronaut Geoff Fiskin's 21 hour, 14 orbit space flight on March 8th, a temporary NASA endurance record and a proud moment in Australian history. The entire nation, throwing issues of energy costs temporarily to the wind, turned on every available light to illuminate the subcontinent as Fiskin passed over. The astronaut announced to jubuliant crowds during his national tour that Perth and Sydney in particular were very visible, though cloud cover obscured some of the northern states.
Cylea
25-04-2006, 04:52
Preliminary Notes on the coming year.

In an effort to jump start the economy, PM Parsons increases government spending to promote private sector growth. The economy is projected to grow at a slower rate this year, with most expansion to come from a greatly expanded airline network to connect the far-flung Australian possessions.

Australia also takes great strides toward becoming a world class nation as well as it shrugs off the so far minimal effects of a global economic slow down. Aid is to be offered to fellow Commonwealth member Nigeria, and funds are quietly allocated to promote Brazilian immigration to the nation, perhaps to East Timor, with its common language.

Contributions to space-age technologies increases, as work begins on Australia's first ICBM. The move is widely applauded by a Parliament whose constituiences are less than delighted by the massive expansion of the Chinese airforce this year. The old rumblings of old fears, dead for thirty years are briefly and quietly remembered by more than a few of the older generation. (ooc: see the now defunct ASP party from my old thread)

The still popular Parsons in fact surprises the public when he extends an invitation to the Chinese government to meet in talks in Darwin to discuss the balance of power in the Eastern Hemisphere. It is hoped that such communication will lessen fears that could be destabilizing in nature to two nations that have been allies in the past.
Galveston Bay
25-04-2006, 06:25
The US proposes to Australia stationing US aircraft in Australia (ooc, 4 air units including tankers, interceptors etc), as well as setting up a major US / Australian Naval bases at Freemantle and Darwin. (permanent bases for the 5th Fleet) as well as a major airbase in Timor.
Sharina
25-04-2006, 08:58
China will be sending its premier diplomat, the former prime minister Song Jiaoren to the conference. Song Jiaoren is now China's premier diplomat with the successes of the Beijing Conference and his work at the UN.

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OOC:

Do you want to hold the Darwin talks in here, or create a new thread for it?
Cylea
25-04-2006, 14:36
The US proposes to Australia stationing US aircraft in Australia (ooc, 4 air units including tankers, interceptors etc), as well as setting up a major US / Australian Naval bases at Freemantle and Darwin. (permanent bases for the 5th Fleet) as well as a major airbase in Timor.

ooc: damn, beat me to it! In my flurry of posts last night i neglected to ask the US about stations in Australia. Ah well.

IC: The Parsons Ministry eagerly accepts, thanking the United States again for its benevolent friendship to the Australian people. Funds are easily directed by Parliament to the effort (I have a couple points left over in my budget for reserve, so say 2 are working on setting this up as quickly as possible)
Cylea
25-04-2006, 14:53
China will be sending its premier diplomat, the former prime minister Song Jiaoren to the conference. Song Jiaoren is now China's premier diplomat with the successes of the Beijing Conference and his work at the UN.

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OOC:

Do you want to hold the Darwin talks in here, or create a new thread for it?

New Thread is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10835385#post10835385), more because it will give me a chance to RP formally more than anything else i have done before (and who knows, maybe we'll end up inviting some more ppl to attend if it goes well).

Darwin historically was not even incorporated as a city before 1959, but since everything is accelerated in this timeline and asia is far more advanced, I expect there are lots of economic incentives for people to want to live here.
Champren
30-04-2006, 22:32
OOC: hey im getting 71 million peeps in '60 so ill just put 70 mill and the one mill can be the peeps that went to Australia between 1956-1960??? sound good?
Cylea
30-04-2006, 22:58
ooc: works for me as long as the mods dont have a problem with it. I'll adjust my population accordingly as the years roll by. thanks
Ato-Sara
30-04-2006, 23:29
OOC: Been reading your Darwin thread, and I suggest you hold talks with USEA over Indonesia and Malaysia.
Also I kind of laughed when you freaked over China's build up of bombers as it is nothing compared to what I have been quietly building up and you haven't even said a word.
*Looks at supercarriers and nuclear attack subs* Hehe...
Cylea
01-05-2006, 01:19
OOC: Been reading your Darwin thread, and I suggest you hold talks with USEA over Indonesia and Malaysia.
Also I kind of laughed when you freaked over China's build up of bombers as it is nothing compared to what I have been quietly building up and you haven't even said a word.
*Looks at supercarriers and nuclear attack subs* Hehe...

ooc: congrats on being more subtle than they were. Part of the laxness came from a friendlier history (your first infantry units were funded by me and you never destroyed my entire navy or tried to wipe out my army)

There was a move afoot to talk to USEA about this sort of thing. Thanks for bringing it up. so...

ic: Australian Diplomats in Saigon approach the USEA government concerning talks on areas of foriegn policy of mutual interest. Imboldened by their apparent success at Darwin with the Chinese, the Australians offer to host a similar conference in the same place with the South East Asians, scheduled for sometime in May 1957.
Cylea
05-05-2006, 02:58
Results of Wargame on Formosa with the Chinese:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10897643&postcount=338

A clean victory for the Australians on land leads to general pats on the back all around back in Canberra, but of some concern was the ease with which Chinese Bombers (ironically proving the danger they presented that called for the talks in the first place) penetrated through the Australian Fleet and sunk the flagship HMAS Curtin. A planned expansion of the RAN is easily refocused on the production of two escort cruisers for additional protection against the skies.
Galveston Bay
05-05-2006, 06:31
The US quietly proposes a permanent Australian / US / Canadian / FNS / British military alliance. In addition, the US offers to sell begin building nuclear attack submarines for Australia, as well as antiaircraft cruisers and escort cruisers.

In short, the US wants to revive the LTA.
Cylea
05-05-2006, 17:05
The US quietly proposes a permanent Australian / US / Canadian / FNS / British military alliance. In addition, the US offers to sell begin building nuclear attack submarines for Australia, as well as antiaircraft cruisers and escort cruisers.

In short, the US wants to revive the LTA.

ooc: where do I sign?

IC: Australia humbly thanks the United States for its constant friendship and undying solidarity. We would be most eager to sign such a treaty.

ooc2: i would appreciate a clarification on limits to naval size. As I understand the present rules, building a 18 in. gun battleship would take an equal amount of population cap as building an escort cruiser or light missile cruiser. As a nation who would like lots of little ships, i find this a little depressing. I really need to improve escorts for my carrier, but really dont have the men to do it and support a coast guard at the same time. Any ideas? B/c right now I'm considering scrapping the fleet carrier in favor of two smaller commando carriers...
Galveston Bay
05-05-2006, 18:55
ooc
At tech level 7.5, naval units are going to change.. I will be working on that this weekend. Population requirements for them will decrease as crew sizes shrink substantially (for tech level 7.5 ships) with more automation available.
Cylea
05-05-2006, 19:22
ooc
At tech level 7.5, naval units are going to change.. I will be working on that this weekend. Population requirements for them will decrease as crew sizes shrink substantially (for tech level 7.5 ships) with more automation available.

ooc: to benefit from this will require a rebuilding of the navy with higher tech units from the bottom up, correct? I dont mind at all, as I have plenty of points. I just want to be sure.
Galveston Bay
05-05-2006, 19:35
a major development

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10901449#post10901449

ooc
regarding ships.. at this point, anything build before 1948 is becoming obsolete, even with refits, and except for major ships, not worth the cost of upgrading. Expect to see major changes in the US Navy beginning in 1958 as well.
Cylea
05-05-2006, 19:43
insert victorious trumpet fanfare here!
Cylea
08-05-2006, 05:25
As 1957 closes, talks continue in Darwin as plans are made for more Sino-Aussie War Games in the coming year. It seems as if military buzz as overtaken the nation in the wake of the previous games, and that is indeed the most important item on the agenda.

As part of the new Oceanic Alliance, that some critics are already attacking for upsetting the global power balance, Australia under PM Parsons has begun a truely unprecedented restructuring of the military. The navy is to be completely redesigned around a rapid strike force, designed to put a well trained, mobile army ashore quickly to get the job done. Hulls have been laid for new light carriers and AA cruisers, with plans to retire HMAS Curtin by the end of the decade to a museum. Upgrades in the RAAF to the F4 Phantom are complete and missile research progresses well. In November of 1957 the Echidna ICBM was sucessfully tested at Townsville and work as already begun to build a Titan missile equivalent by the end of the next year (tentatively codenamed the Dingo).

Also, despite massive popularity ratings, Parsons has announced his intention to resign as Prime Minister in June, in a speech focusing on his native pride having to be swallowed for personal stress reasons. This has initiated a power scramble among the Conservatives, with the Country Party and Labour hoping to grab a few seats in the approaching elections. Nationwide polls show the population leaning to the right--how far will be the question answered soon.
Galveston Bay
09-05-2006, 04:58
President Kennedy and the First Lady visit Sydney, Canberra, and Darwin before flying to Manila. Along the way visits are made to the future states of Hawaii and Polynesia. After Manila, the President and his wife visit Guam before flying to the future state of Alaska.
Cylea
09-05-2006, 19:31
President Kennedy and the First Lady visit Sydney, Canberra, and Darwin before flying to Manila. Along the way visits are made to the future states of Hawaii and Polynesia. After Manila, the President and his wife visit Guam before flying to the future state of Alaska.

And they will be warmly received. If time permits them, the Kennedys would be welcome to view the Southern Cross Launchsite at Townsville as well, as the program there is a symbol of American-Australian partnership. Either way, crowds of admirers will likely greet them wherever they go.
Galveston Bay
09-05-2006, 20:54
And they will be warmly received. If time permits them, the Kennedys would be welcome to view the Southern Cross Launchsite at Townsville as well, as the program there is a symbol of American-Australian partnership. Either way, crowds of admirers will likely greet them wherever they go.

Kennedy will eagerly go to the Southern Cross Space Center (ooc and of course the Alliance Space Force will make sure a satellite launch is scheduled for his and the Australian PM's visit.. chuckle)
Cylea
09-05-2006, 22:24
Kennedy will eagerly go to the Southern Cross Space Center (ooc and of course the Alliance Space Force will make sure a satellite launch is scheduled for his and the Australian PM's visit.. chuckle)

ooc: now we just have to hope that the launch is successful. :rolleyes: Nothing complicated that has a chance for failure like a probe to Venus or something...
Cylea
17-05-2006, 16:49
There are some who have blamed the multiple ethnic groups in Australia these days for the fragmentation of the political arena, but regardless of cause, that is what has been witnessed. Major Parties include:

Conservatives: Broke off from the Liberal-Country Party and supports closer ties with United States. Fiscally far to the right, though supportive of a large military. Currently in power and riding the crest of the wave their popular leader Parsons engineered in his rise to power. Kennard is waiting in the wings. Power is drawn from the middle class

Liberal-Country Party: Still led by Menzies after the Conservative revolt eviscerated the party, this party is slightly more to the center. The only major difference with the Conservatives is a lean toward Great Britain and the Commonwealth at the expense of the Americans. Supported by rural areas.

Australian Labour: Every State with British heritage needs one of these parties, supporting socialist economies and fiscally liberal. Most likely to overtake the Conservatives due to their superior organization and history (famed PM Curtin was a member of their ranks). However, their domestic agenda has been hijacked by nearly every party as the status quo, an ironic victory, but one that makes it difficult to stand out. Pushes for a less confrontational foreign policy and is unhappy about the Oceanic Alliance.

Australian Greens: Just getting of the ground, and popular in the former New Zealand, this group disapproves of nuclear energy and rails against China for its massive and conspicuous industrialization. Their influence on the former issue is impressive, on the latter it is negligible.

Northern Alliance: Predictably centered in New Guinea, the former Indonesian Areas, and parts of Oceania, this party has a nationalistic tinge. Supports increased funds to areas that are seen by many Australians as out of the way but is a member of the ruling Conservative coalition. Pro-United States with extremely mixed feelings on the SCT.
Cylea
17-05-2006, 17:01
In the face of strong public opposition to his decision, as well as the realization that his party is not stable yet without him, PM Parsons has stayed on, strengthened by recent elections that increased the Conservative majority slightly. Opposition members have grumbled that this was all part of the plan to begin with, though this is of course denied.

The biggest complaint with the Conservative government right now is the massive military spending. Fully 40% of the national budget has been funneled into a massive restructuring and reorganization around a rapid response force that will comprise all three branches of the military. Also heavily debated is Australian membership in the Oceanic Alliance. Parsons protege Lyle Kennard was met with rather fierce international opposition when he represented the Alliance at Cape Town, South Africa in February and there are sects of the population that are just as unhappy with what they see as an unnecessary provocation to the SCT and world.

Also of note is the successful test of the Dingo ICBM that should rival the American Titan missile (that launches the Gemini missions begun this year) at Townsville.

Astronaut Geoff Fiskin flies again, this time commanding Gemini V with an American copilot (ooc: if this is inaccurate, please complain GB, but I thought I would take some license with vague facts)

Oh, and in Sydney, at the former site of the Fort Macquarie Tram Depot, the foundation was laid this December for a rather unimportant Opera House...
Galveston Bay
17-05-2006, 21:18
news that affects Australasia
1. Kennedy Administration announces a 5 year US moratorium on atmospheric nuclear testing.
2. Alliance Pacific Command recommends a massive exercise in the Solomon Islands and northwest Australia. The recommendation is that the Australian and FNS navies play the defending forces, the US Navy the aggressive forces, and sizeable ground and air units be involved as well. Such as exercise would occur in 1960, and the US would pay for it.

ooc
which will cost a LOT... about 60 points at least
Cylea
18-05-2006, 17:06
news that affects Australasia
1. Kennedy Administration announces a 5 year US moratorium on atmospheric nuclear testing.
2. Alliance Pacific Command recommends a massive exercise in the Solomon Islands and northwest Australia. The recommendation is that the Australian and FNS navies play the defending forces, the US Navy the aggressive forces, and sizeable ground and air units be involved as well. Such as exercise would occur in 1960, and the US would pay for it.

ooc
which will cost a LOT... about 60 points at least

sounds entertaining. There may be an issue with it, but let me know if it can just be shrugged off. Australian military is in the middle of a massive overhaul right now. Troops still being trained on new (7.5) ships and weapons so every branch of the armed services is a hodgepodge of new and old units which is technically over the population cap for units until the old ones are scrapped

RAN Order of Battle (1960):
Tech 7
15 Destroyers
15 Attack Subs (non nuclear)
1 Fleet Carrier Battlegroup w/ F4 Phantoms (elite trained)
Tech 7.5
2 ASW Carrier Battlegroups w/ transport copters
4 Destroyers
4 Frigates
3 AA Cruisers
2 Light Missile Cruisers
2 Heavy Missile Cruisers
1 Amphibious Assault Group

Army Order of Battle (1960):
All forces are "highly trained"
2x Infantry Divisions
2x Mechanized Infantry Divisions
2x Light Marine Brigades
2x Mechanized Light Marine Brigades
2x Airborne Brigades

RAAF Order of Battle (1960)
5x F4 Phantom Squadrons (elite trained)

Most of the Tech 7 stuff was to be scrapped. Could/Should I be able to send this to the Solomons--specifically the Carrier is more suited to traditional wargames. Australia is eager to participate though and is really just sort of looking for direction from Washington on this matter.
Galveston Bay
18-05-2006, 20:44
Most of the Tech 7 stuff was to be scrapped. Could/Should I be able to send this to the Solomons--specifically the Carrier is more suited to traditional wargames. Australia is eager to participate though and is really just sort of looking for direction from Washington on this matter.

the carrier and its air wing automatically upgrade to tech level 7.5 with annual maintenance. The subs and destroyers are obscelescent though, but then the US has a lot of those too.
Cylea
18-05-2006, 21:08
the carrier and its air wing automatically upgrade to tech level 7.5 with annual maintenance. The subs and destroyers are obscelescent though, but then the US has a lot of those too.

The issue is that my population will probably not support that many ships while still having a respectable army or airforce. Unless I misunderstand the rules.

Population of 20 million means 4 slots of 5 million avaliable.
1 slot to HQ unit (corps size)
1 slot to 6 Air Units
1 slot for misc cruisers (AA and missile) and ASW formations
1 slot for any army that is not reserve.

Of course, I dont think many people have paid any attention to population limits, so if they are just a formality forget I mentioned anything. If they are to be followed though, the Fleet Carrier will likely have to be retired.
Galveston Bay
18-05-2006, 23:02
make more of your air force (about half) reserve units... they actually are just as good or better then regular air units.
Cylea
27-05-2006, 02:09
More of the same really (ooc apologies for the lack of creativity) in Australia. Conservatives remain in power, though Lyle Kennard becomes Prime Minister.

Only exceptional events of note are planning for massive wargames to take place in the Solomon Islands and Northeast Australia with much of the OA.

Moves to join East Timor to the State of Moluccas begin to strengthen and pressure on the province to unify with Australasia ratchets up.
Cylea
27-05-2006, 02:11
Wargames take place. Australian Admirals are extrememly embarrassed about the performance of the RAN, which was eliminated entirely by massive attacks in the first days of combat. To be fair, the task force was going up against the United States, but considering that the Conservatives have been pushing for spending on Navy modernization for years, it seems somewhat bad that improvement is not obvious since Formosa.

Still, the government presses forward with the Navy project, as new modern destroyers come online.

East Timor is annexed to the Commonwealth quietly and the entire island of Timor becomes a subprovince of the State of Moluccas. The area has one of the highest population densities in the nation and as such has its needs treated very sensitively by Canberra. Obviously such actions have stimulated cries of favoritism by some of the other island territories but to compensate for this, the government has budgeted some funds for general taxcuts and priority spending projects in these regions.
Cylea
04-06-2006, 18:10
The government moves to enact reforms on the military as the results of wargames with the OA are analyzed. Navy modernization continues, and fighter wings of FB111s are ordered to partially replace the mainstay fighter of the RAAF, the F4 Phantom. It is hoped that diversity in arms will create a more successful military.

All seems well for the Conservatives under Lyle Kennard, until the world suddenly becomes an angry place in August...
Cylea
04-06-2006, 20:26
The Australian government expresses alarm at the brinkmanship being shown by all nations. Military forces are moved to a Defcon 2 Equivalent, though precautions are taken to not alarm the public. Construction on the first batch of Australian produced ICBMs, the 2nd generation Dingo (equivalent of 2nd gen. Titan missile) was scheduled for completion in 1961 and any avaliable missiles that were finished by August are readied (I bought 2 batches so if by halfway through the year they would both be half done, giving me effectively one full set of 10 to use).

Australian Diplomats in possibly affected capitals (specifically Russia) are directed to find shelter in other locations. However, the government under Lyle Kennard makes a point to not go under cover, as a show of solidarity with the public.

As the nation moves further into the embrace of the Americans and the OA, tempers flare. Members of Parliament lambast the government for bringing the nation into danger by affiliating itself with warmongers. They are countered by equally vehement claims that crisis would come anyway, and it is much better to have strong friends than no friends at all. Still, in public opinion polls, the Conservatives take a bigger hit than they have in years.
Sharina
04-06-2006, 21:15
China gently informs Australia that China will be the victim in such a global war. A similiar statement is made to various other nations in the world.

Point 1: China has not mobilized its military among any of its borders like the OA and Russia fear.

Point 2: China has nuclear weapons BUT will not use them in a first strike DESPITE being attacked by nuclear weapons in the past. We know all too well the destruction just one nuclear weapon will do, let alone thousands of them.

Point 3: The only reason why China possesses nuclear weapons is to offset the American nuclear arsenal, thus America cannot nuke China willy-nilly with no consquences.

Point 4: It will be the Americans who will fire nuclear weapons first, and America will be responible for the destruction of mankind in the nuclear exchange that will follow. The responibility and fault of the death of billions, the vaporization of virtually every major city on Earth, and the end of civilization will be squarely on the shoulders of America. Should the Americans go ahead and commit to this course of action with nuclear weapons, then the Americans are the ones who are evil, committing the ultimate crime of making humankind extinct.

Point 5: China will not invade mainland America or threaten any American, Australian, South American, Central American, etc. interests.

Final point: China is maintaining its conventional and nuclear forces at similiar condition to DEFCON 2, whereas practically all nations involved are upgrading their DEFCON conditions to 3 and 4.

The bottom line is that America will be the aggressor and America will be the one who initates a potential nuclear attack. China refuses to be the aggressor as it is not mobilizing its army, China refusing to launch nuclear weapons first, and China will be the innocent defender should the war go "hot".
Cylea
04-06-2006, 22:43
China gently informs Australia that China will be the victim in such a global war. A similiar statement is made to various other nations in the world.

Point 1: China has not mobilized its military among any of its borders like the OA and Russia fear.

Point 2: China has nuclear weapons BUT will not use them in a first strike DESPITE being attacked by nuclear weapons in the past. We know all too well the destruction just one nuclear weapon will do, let alone thousands of them.

Point 3: The only reason why China possesses nuclear weapons is to offset the American nuclear arsenal, thus America cannot nuke China willy-nilly with no consquences.

Point 4: It will be the Americans who will fire nuclear weapons first, and America will be responible for the destruction of mankind in the nuclear exchange that will follow. The responibility and fault of the death of billions, the vaporization of virtually every major city on Earth, and the end of civilization will be squarely on the shoulders of America. Should the Americans go ahead and commit to this course of action with nuclear weapons, then the Americans are the ones who are evil, committing the ultimate crime of making humankind extinct.

Point 5: China will not invade mainland America or threaten any American, Australian, South American, Central American, etc. interests.

Final point: China is maintaining its conventional and nuclear forces at similiar condition to DEFCON 2, whereas practically all nations involved are upgrading their DEFCON conditions to 3 and 4.

The bottom line is that America will be the aggressor and America will be the one who initates a potential nuclear attack. China refuses to be the aggressor as it is not mobilizing its army, China refusing to launch nuclear weapons first, and China will be the innocent defender should the war go "hot".

response on siberian crisis thread
Malkyer
05-06-2006, 00:07
The South African government secretly contacts the Australian government with a request to allow South African ships to use Australian ports for repairs and reprovisioning should SANS ships find themselves in trouble in the eastern Indian Ocean. A reciprocal offer is made to the RAN.
Cylea
06-06-2006, 00:59
The South African government secretly contacts the Australian government with a request to allow South African ships to use Australian ports for repairs and reprovisioning should SANS ships find themselves in trouble in the eastern Indian Ocean. A reciprocal offer is made to the RAN.

The offer is quickly and happily accepted by Canberra. Even after this crisis blows over (if it does--gulp!) SANS vessels would always be welcome in Australian ports, under any circumstances.
Cylea
13-06-2006, 00:50
In attempts to remove some of its 'warmongering' status among the most vocal critics (in the wake of the Siberian Nuclear Crisis of the previous year), the Australian government moves to cut spending in 1962. However, ties with an extended OA are in no ways loosened and the careful reader of government programs will notice the funding being diverted into 20 more ICBMs and the silos built in the Western Desert to hold them. The moves are quiet and the subject is changed whenever they are brought up.

Much of the rest of the rest of the world is quiet as Australian armed forces complete the reorganization promised by war game results. The nation will retain its good neighbor policy toward the SCT, specifically with China for as long as possible, but to deny that the recent scare has potentially weakened relations slightly would be to deny the obvious.
New Dornalia
13-06-2006, 01:10
Korea wishes to try and improve relations with the Australian Government, especially after the recent Siberian Crisis. Perhaps we could exchange students? Or perhaps scientists?
Haneastic
13-06-2006, 02:00
Japan would ike to do the same with Australia

OOC: Cylea, did you get my TG?
Cylea
14-06-2006, 23:59
Canberra would be most willing to sponser student exchanges with its Asian neighbors. Such action can only be beneficial to both our peoples.

Certain science exchanges could also be positive. All our nations have been working on microelectronics technology--perhaps something in that field of study? Naturally there are other areas that are more sensitive and private--the recent Sino-French issue over the future of Dassault (sp?) come to mind.

OOC: Sorry Haneastic, didnt see that. Reply on the way.
New Dornalia
15-06-2006, 01:25
Certain science exchanges could also be positive. All our nations have been working on microelectronics technology--perhaps something in that field of study? Naturally there are other areas that are more sensitive and private--the recent Sino-French issue over the future of Dassault (sp?) come to mind.

OOC: Sorry Haneastic, didnt see that. Reply on the way.

Certain Korean companies are being encouraged to invest in microelectronics...perhaps we can allow for joint projects, and limited sharing? Of course, sensitive materials will not be shared. But, we can do most other applications, such as medical applications.

OOC: How are we going to RP this?
Sukiaida
15-06-2006, 16:53
The UIP would also like to boost trade with Australia.
Cylea
15-06-2006, 23:59
Certain Korean companies are being encouraged to invest in microelectronics...perhaps we can allow for joint projects, and limited sharing? Of course, sensitive materials will not be shared. But, we can do most other applications, such as medical applications.

OOC: How are we going to RP this?

OOC: a good question. It may end up being like all the minor trades we made earlier on (like the Australian-Korean Chemical companythingy) with only cosmetic effects on the game. We cant exactly share spending, and wouldnt need to since the point cost is so low.

An idea. We are each spending 5 points each on microelectronics. It wouldnt necessarily need to be written into our builds, but maybe 1 of Australia's points is actually from Korea and vice-versa or something.

The cosmetic effect would likely be more similar electronics systems--dragging me a little closer to the Asian bloc...

IC: Australasia would be more than happy to create closer ties with its old friend the UIP (again wont necessarily need to be RPed out)

And, the Australian diplomat to Japan inquires if perhaps the subject of their recent dealings could be made more public so that the entire SCT can weigh in on it. (Haneastic, check TGs please)
Haneastic
16-06-2006, 00:14
Japan would like to offer Australia provisionary status in the SCT. You would benefit from: The AEF, the ASA, trading benefits, Satellite networks and the unified Asian currency. We look forward to your reply.

OOC: I believe this was okay'd by others in the SCT
Sukiaida
16-06-2006, 14:31
OOC: How do you create trade points anyways?
Haneastic
16-06-2006, 14:52
they're not created, you have 20 points from shiping and you have them trade in nations. But if you have it trading in the US and the US stops trading with you, then you lose those points until you can move the shipping units elsewere
Sukiaida
16-06-2006, 15:03
(AHHH so I have to buy more shipping then. Gotcha.)
Haneastic
16-06-2006, 15:09
Actually, I think you're maxed out for shipping right now
Sukiaida
16-06-2006, 15:11
(But I am going to buy a ton of shipping for 1964, so I am prepping for then.)
Haneastic
16-06-2006, 15:27
no no, see you have a maximum amount of commerce you can have. At tech level 7, shipping units provide 1.5 points each, so if you have 20 shipping units you have 30 points, plus airlines, and then you get a 10% bonus from the SCT
Ato-Sara
16-06-2006, 16:30
no no, see you have a maximum amount of commerce you can have. At tech level 7, shipping units provide 1.5 points each, so if you have 20 shipping units you have 30 points, plus airlines, and then you get a 10% bonus from the SCT

OOC:
10% bonus from satellites is not included in the cap.
Sukiaida
16-06-2006, 18:25
HMMM my calculating needs some revision then. Sigh... Well I'll leave it as is and recalculate for 1964. I got all I wanted for 1963 anyways.
New Dornalia
16-06-2006, 18:29
OOC: a good question. It may end up being like all the minor trades we made earlier on (like the Australian-Korean Chemical companythingy) with only cosmetic effects on the game. We cant exactly share spending, and wouldnt need to since the point cost is so low.

An idea. We are each spending 5 points each on microelectronics. It wouldnt necessarily need to be written into our builds, but maybe 1 of Australia's points is actually from Korea and vice-versa or something.

The cosmetic effect would likely be more similar electronics systems--dragging me a little closer to the Asian bloc...

OOC: I'm game for that.
Cylea
20-06-2006, 03:18
Japan would like to offer Australia provisionary status in the SCT. You would benefit from: The AEF, the ASA, trading benefits, Satellite networks and the unified Asian currency. We look forward to your reply.

OOC: I believe this was okay'd by others in the SCT

The offer by the SCT rapidly makes its way into the Australian press where it becomes the dominant foriegn policy issue on everybody's lips. Though nearly every citizen has an opinion, it is not often that those opinions are the same.

Northern areas of the nation, specifically those in New Guinea and Moluccas, are far more in favor of closer ties with Asia. On the mainland and New Zealand it is far more common to embrace the OA, through the joint Anglo-American influence of the organization. Darwin in particular is split, with vehement rhetoric on both sides in the city.

However, the Conservative government hedges its bets, unwilling to lose even more support in the wake of the frightening Siberian Crisis. Prime Minister Lyle Kennard moves on a comprimise measure. Ties with Asia are to be strengthened economically as trade restrictions are loosened. However, commitments to the Oceanic Alliance will not allow participation in a common currency or military networks. The PM does however contact certain governments within the SCT concerning the possibility of limited Australian participation in the ASA (a few instruments on a few satellites) and the opening of television networks to the Asian satellite network.

It is hoped such an approach will continue the balancing act Australia must maintain between East and West. It is made particularly known to allied governments (Washington and London in particular) that these moves in no way weaken Australian commitment and resolve to the Oceanic Alliance.
Haneastic
20-06-2006, 14:38
Japan will accept this is the best they could hope to get out of the offer to Australia
Sukiaida
20-06-2006, 23:56
Secret Communique to Austrlian GOvernment:

This is a rather interesting perdicament we both find ourselves. Split between Asia and the West. The Philippines also has these concerns. Recently if you have watched, our country has been split on those who support China and those who support the United States. It's a huge mess, and personally the government was wondering if you may keep an open channel between us so that we may be better prepared in case both of our friends go at eachother. In truth we wish that Austrlia would picket any war as we ourselves are prepared to do. If not, we simply ask that Australia recognize our neutral status.
Cylea
22-06-2006, 01:02
Secret Communique to Austrlian GOvernment:

This is a rather interesting perdicament we both find ourselves. Split between Asia and the West. The Philippines also has these concerns. Recently if you have watched, our country has been split on those who support China and those who support the United States. It's a huge mess, and personally the government was wondering if you may keep an open channel between us so that we may be better prepared in case both of our friends go at eachother. In truth we wish that Austrlia would picket any war as we ourselves are prepared to do. If not, we simply ask that Australia recognize our neutral status.

The Philippines and Australasia have a long history of comraderie, and Canberra's sympathies are strongly with Manila. This nation has no quarrel with the Filipinos, or any other Asian neighbor. We simply share the misfortune of being on opposite sides of a fence. Australia will do everything in its power to avoid the onset of a Pacific War and to minimize its participation unless attacked by the SCT or another rival. We will certainly not engage any nation that considers itself neutral or a noncombatant, and we hope this aleviates any fears.
Sukiaida
23-06-2006, 20:49
The UIP thanks AUstrlia for waylaying any of our fears, and can be assured that we will make sure that the SCT honors the nutrality of Australia as it honors the UIP's. Hopefully both of our countries can work together to make sure the need for that will not occur.
Cylea
28-06-2006, 00:45
News of turmoil in Washington catches the Conservative administration completely off-guard. Discussion among OA members regarding a Chinese nuclear build up had heightened tensions, but nobody expected the most stable member of the Alliance to dissolve into such chaos.

Economic Response:
Australia will follow the example of the British government in declaring bank holidays and moritoriums on gold trading. The Australian Minister of Commerce pleads for calm in the populace as the global economy begins to unravel.

Diplomatic Response:
--Australian diplomats to major SCT nations urge calm on their parts and assure those governments that Australia has no intention of aggrevating the situation and emphasizing the voice of reason.
--(SECRET) It is requested of Great Britain and the FNS that they share any intel discoveries concerning these events with their Australian allies as there are no AIA agents in Washington.
--China is pressured to back down on the missile issue, if only long enough for some version of legitmate authority to regain control in Washington.
--Diplomats in Washington put every effort into finding out what the HELL is going on and finding a legitimate voice to communicate with. (should they discover what has occured, there are sharp rebukes issued to the guilty parties)

Military Response:
--All military units are reluctantly put on DEFCON 3 alert. American airwings based in Darwin have every restraint possible put on their actions by whatever means possible. American commanders are warned that Australia will not allow a "first strike" nuclear attack from its territory under these circumstances.
Sukiaida
28-06-2006, 04:57
Currently we do not know what will happen in the next couple of hours. Two countries will evidently destroy eachother. May we at least come out of it in some measure unscathed. All we can do now is pray.
Sukiaida
28-06-2006, 17:53
(I am taking my 5 shipping points from the US, want some trade between us?)
Cylea
29-06-2006, 23:10
(I am taking my 5 shipping points from the US, want some trade between us?)

I assume I will be trading more with ALL the Asian powers after this. Whats left of them that is...
Sukiaida
29-06-2006, 23:24
I gather most likely with your two neighbors Indonesia and the Philippines. Right now we are using our shipping from the US to ship food to China and Indochina. But we can always prepare for next year.
Cylea
29-06-2006, 23:59
The repercussions for the Australasian nation in the wake of American atomic attacks against China and the USEA are massive in every aspect of life. (Now where to begin...)

The global economic crash hits the nation hard, as production is halved. Those citizens who live in the northern states with closer ties to Asia are particularly hard hit. One of the more difficult issues the government faces in the near future is assuring the public that they are not facing danger from radioactive fallout, and in isolated cases, particularly violent cases of panic make the national news...

Still, domestic violence is not the main topic on everyones lips. Exceedingly dark international news is at the top of the agenda. The only serious national news is a change in government. PM Lyle Kennard, faced with indescribably public backlash against Conservative foreign policy (backing an alliance with the United States that many blame for recent events) commits political suicide, rationalizing that stepping down from a government without public backing is the right thing to do and will earn PR points.

By March a new coalition is in power, one with but a single Conservative Minister. Gough Whitlam from Labour enters office as head of a shaky group that includes pro-British groups, pro-Asian groups, and isolationists. (Whitlam, known for his rhetoric was one of a few in Parliament who could engage Robert Menzies or Andrew Parsons successfully.) The political alliance is representative of the shaky straits that Australia finds itself in globaly. The only member of the discredited Oceanic Alliance in Asia, without its American protector.

American combat airwings are recalled from Australia by summer. Their equipment is placed in desert storage, as the pilots to fly them do not exist.

Domestically, the budget redlines as economic collapse cuts revenue by a fourth, despite a national effort declared by Menzies. Tax cuts are rescinded and aid programs to Indonesia and Malaysia are cut and constant costs are still barely covered. Whitlam, not a friend of Asians in particular, expresses little regret for their being no aid avaliable for China or the USEA, but he does offer an HQ unit to the latter nation for clean up efforts.

Australia remains quiet at the UN as attacks are leveled at the United States, hoping to draw attention neither from its former benefactor or from angry voices...
Cylea
30-06-2006, 00:05
I gather most likely with your two neighbors Indonesia and the Philippines. Right now we are using our shipping from the US to ship food to China and Indochina. But we can always prepare for next year.

Indonesia and Malyasia first as they are Commonwealth nations. Philippines right after that yeah. But that is next year. First we have to get there.

Australia has no intentions of transfering trade from the US unless a UN resolution forces us to. We do however already have you in our top 10 trade partners (probably top 5 now that there is nothing left of China and the USEA)
Sukiaida
30-06-2006, 00:07
Yeah that would defintly be a proper thing to do. And I have 5 shipping points I can split between you and Indonesia. Best to have friendly neighbors. And I no matter what GB thinks or tries do not NEED US trade.
Cylea
01-07-2006, 23:14
Yeah that would defintly be a proper thing to do. And I have 5 shipping points I can split between you and Indonesia. Best to have friendly neighbors. And I no matter what GB thinks or tries do not NEED US trade.

Actually with the economic crash i believe that all trade numbers are quartered. You only have 1.25 points to pull off of the US (that or you had 20 to begin with...)
Cylea
01-07-2006, 23:29
More Australia Reactions to 1964:

The new Australian Parliament moves to suspend its participation in the Oceanic Alliance in March, a move seen long overdue by the population and more of a symbolic gesture than anything else. Both the United States and Great Britain were no longer active members of the organization.

A general war breaks out in Europe, stemming for Turkish attacks on Greece. The Whitlam Ministry roundly condemns all combatant nations for spreading misery even more unnecessarily in these dark times.

Perhaps the only bright spot for the nation is talks in the UN, where a revision of the Charter may place the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand on the Security Council with a permanent seat and limited veto powers.
Cylea
03-07-2006, 23:17
Australian Forces remain at Defcon 3 throughout spring of 1964 as war erupts in Europe and nuclear tragedy spreads. Public opinion is rapidly becoming furious at the world, as even the mother country Britain seems to subcumb to warlust.

The old alliances are in tatters. Australasia must find a new safe-haven against the terrors of the world.

As such, PM Whitlam grudgingly sends a letter to Seoul in late March of 1964, requesting that the SCT reconsider its offer of alliance with the Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand. The United States are introverted, and the nations of Europe consumed in flames. Perhaps it is this nation's destiny after all to find a geographic home before a cultural one.

The news is greated with dismay in Conservative strongholds of Sydney, Wellington and Melbourne, and joy in Darwin and the northern states. The nation is torn--but so is the rest of the world. These troubled days, nobody can escape the natural reactions to the whims of fate.
Lesser Ribena
06-07-2006, 10:28
Britain states its desire for closer ties to Australasia and pushes for a more permenent alliance with the nation, especially as it hars of negotiations to get into the SCT. A full military alliance would benefit both nations and Australia would be amply protected by Royal Navy vessels in the Pacific and other Commonwealth nations would help as well. Under the conditions of teh alliance Australasia would be under no compulsion to join the present war in Europe against the agressive CSPS forces. A similar offer is made to Canada to reassure it since the US has withdrawn into isolationism.

The Royal Family (Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Kids) also departs via air for 3 or 4 weeks visit of Australasia and hope to promote the idea of an alliance (also keeps them away from CSPS nukes!).
Sukiaida
06-07-2006, 18:41
5 Shipping Units. I have 5 shipping units available, the whole point or whatever doesn't concern me as we aren't even near the end of 1964.
Cylea
07-07-2006, 00:26
5 Shipping Units. I have 5 shipping units available, the whole point or whatever doesn't concern me as we aren't even near the end of 1964.

ah, right. My mistake then. And a good point too, we have to escape this god-awful year first...
Cylea
07-07-2006, 00:34
Britain states its desire for closer ties to Australasia and pushes for a more permenent alliance with the nation, especially as it hars of negotiations to get into the SCT. A full military alliance would benefit both nations and Australia would be amply protected by Royal Navy vessels in the Pacific and other Commonwealth nations would help as well. Under the conditions of teh alliance Australasia would be under no compulsion to join the present war in Europe against the agressive CSPS forces. A similar offer is made to Canada to reassure it since the US has withdrawn into isolationism.

The Royal Family (Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Kids) also departs via air for 3 or 4 weeks visit of Australasia and hope to promote the idea of an alliance (also keeps them away from CSPS nukes!).

Conservative elements in Australia and New Zealand would get any alliance offer from Britain passed easily, though Canberra points out that Royal Navy commitments to the Pacific are quite strained, and the two nearest Commowealth members are in fact under Australian protection. American isolationism has driven many citizens to consider closer allies--thus the approach to the SCT. Britain can be happily assured though that no diplomatic arrangements could possibly put us in opposition to the mother country, and that a full military alliance would be welcomed.

In addition, the royal family is happily welcomed to Australia. Hilights of their visit will surely include the opera house in Sydney under construction, the international hub at Darwin, and space launch pad at Townsville.

Secret: Australia enters negotiations that would allow Australian pilots to fight as volunteers in Europe...
Galveston Bay
07-07-2006, 01:03
the US quietly lets Australasia know that once things settle down the US will give or sell Australia any warships or aircraft that it needs, including first line USN and USAF equipment.

Its made clear that the US is looking to cut costs and sharply reduce its military spending.

Assuming of course Australia remains allied to Britian and not the SCT.
Lesser Ribena
07-07-2006, 16:41
In which case a full alliance offering military protection to both nations in the event of any war is quickly written up, Canada is included as a third nation (I should imagine the Canadian government will get this passed). Britain states that it knows of it's weaknesses in the Pacific especially since the start if this war but hopes to make further commitements to the region in the future.

SIC: Aussie pilots are encouraged to volunteer by the RAF and there are several units of ex-FNS Mig-24s for them to fly in the defence of the UK or else for transfer to the Russian Front.
Cylea
08-07-2006, 00:05
the US quietly lets Australasia know that once things settle down the US will give or sell Australia any warships or aircraft that it needs, including first line USN and USAF equipment.

Its made clear that the US is looking to cut costs and sharply reduce its military spending.

Assuming of course Australia remains allied to Britian and not the SCT.

Washington is assured that any Australasian ties to the SCT are purely economical at this point and should remain so. It would not do well though to antagonize so many neighbors at once. The offer of military aid is greatly appreciated and will likely be taken up once this damn war blows over.

(and speaking of war...)

In which case a full alliance offering military protection to both nations in the event of any war is quickly written up, Canada is included as a third nation (I should imagine the Canadian government will get this passed). Britain states that it knows of it's weaknesses in the Pacific especially since the start if this war but hopes to make further commitements to the region in the future.

SIC: Aussie pilots are encouraged to volunteer by the RAF and there are several units of ex-FNS Mig-24s for them to fly in the defence of the UK or else for transfer to the Russian Front.

That treaty is quickly ratified by the Australian Parliament. More quietly comes the volunteering of one wing of Australian pilots (1 unit) to defend the United Kingdom. Canberra does not deny the action when question but merely changes the subject. The pilots are to remain over the British Isles in Mig-24s and away from the Russian front if at all possible, though a few do transfer to units there (in game terms, irrelevant). Further 'volunteers' may come should the war continue.

ooc: what month would this happen in?
Sukiaida
08-07-2006, 00:49
OOC: Yeah and the whole US being omnipotent thing too.

IC: The Philippines wishes to create an economic and alliance sphere between Indonesia, The UIP, and Australia. Neighbors should be friends in these horrible times.

THis would be seperate of the SCT.
Galveston Bay
08-07-2006, 01:44
IC: The Philippines wishes to create an economic and alliance sphere between Indonesia, The UIP, and Australia. Neighbors should be friends in these horrible times.

THis would be seperate of the SCT.

Malaysia would be interested in this as well
Cylea
08-07-2006, 17:01
OOC: Yeah and the whole US being omnipotent thing too.

IC: The Philippines wishes to create an economic and alliance sphere between Indonesia, The UIP, and Australia. Neighbors should be friends in these horrible times.

THis would be seperate of the SCT.

This offer is seized upon by Canberra quickly as a compromise measure between those wanting more ties to Asia and those who are wary of the SCT. However, such an alliance would have to include Malyasia for Australia to maintain its interest. (GB beat me to saying it). If this is acceptable, consider such a document ratified.
Sukiaida
08-07-2006, 21:07
(Wait looking at map, ok got it.)

Malayasia is slightly north of our intended area, but we certaintly are agreeable to having them join this little network of friends. Being so close to Indonesia (And in fact part of them physically) we would have no problems.

THerefore a formal signing could be done in Australasia as soon as possible.

(Which we'll say we did and yatta yatta yatta. WHo is in charge of Indonesia again?)
Galveston Bay
08-07-2006, 21:42
(Wait looking at map, ok got it.)

Malayasia is slightly north of our intended area, but we certaintly are agreeable to having them join this little network of friends. Being so close to Indonesia (And in fact part of them physically) we would have no problems.

THerefore a formal signing could be done in Australasia as soon as possible.

(Which we'll say we did and yatta yatta yatta. WHo is in charge of Indonesia again?)

ooc
Indonesia is currently an NPC country. Depends if the historical coup has occured or not as to who is in charge. Probably not yet.
Cylea
09-07-2006, 02:50
ooc
Indonesia is currently an NPC country. Depends if the historical coup has occured or not as to who is in charge. Probably not yet.

actually, I have a friend who was considering applying to join E20 as Indonesia. I sent him the link to the economics thread to see if he was up to mastering our rule set, but he may apply.

As for IC, a good question. That should probably be looked into.
Sukiaida
11-07-2006, 14:05
Yes it certaintly should. THough I'd recommend not starting just yet. I mean seriously Australasia and the Philippines and Indonesia might get nuked, so this might all just be a stupid afterthought.
Cylea
12-07-2006, 00:58
April 2nd, 1964:

The flames of war lick ever higher as The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand joins the inferno.

Despite "volunteer" Australian pilots in 1 wing of F4 Phantom jets defending the British Isles from CSPS attack, the nation had managed to toe the edge of the abyss thus far in 1964. However, Pakistan (a member of the Commonwealth) and its brash declaration of war against Britain have forced the nation's hand.

A fierce battle in Parliament develops as the call for war to defend the Crown against a neighbor gets louder. Hawks and doves clash, with the final vote being decided by only 3 votes. The military is put on alert and the 1st Fleet is deployed to assist Commonwealth vessels around Ceylon. Half of the RAAF and one Flak group is also moved to the island to assist in its defense.

With Australian isolationism decisively shattered, the nation uses its influence in Indonesia and Malaysia in an attempt to get those nations to cut ties with Pakistan. The two are not pressured to join the war--far from it, as their militaries would not allow an extended battle against such a foe. However, the 2nd Fleet is deployed to the area to assist in their defense, should Pakistan grow brash.

In addition, further aid on the ground in China is ordered, as the situation becomes far more dire. 2 Infantry Divisions are moved to assist in control over civilian chaos in the region.

Finally, with the destruction of Washington DC by rebels, Australia finds itself still more shocked over the depths to which its closest ally has fallen. Condolences and aid are offered, though the latter will likely not be accepted.
Cylea
13-07-2006, 01:01
OOC:

A short aside to laugh. I found this amusing.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/07/12/australia.fossils.reut/index.html
Sukiaida
13-07-2006, 18:59
(That's just funny. hehe)

The Philippines is a little perterbed that Australasia decided to go to war so soon, but understand the rationale. We will remain neutral unless Pakistan decides to invade Malasia or Indonesia, in which the navy still on alert from earlier in the year will instantly go to the aid of our new allies. In relation to this, we would desire you to contact our naval bureau first so they may be more inclined to defend sooner than later.
Cylea
14-07-2006, 00:33
(That's just funny. hehe)

The Philippines is a little perterbed that Australasia decided to go to war so soon, but understand the rationale. We will remain neutral unless Pakistan decides to invade Malasia or Indonesia, in which the navy still on alert from earlier in the year will instantly go to the aid of our new allies. In relation to this, we would desire you to contact our naval bureau first so they may be more inclined to defend sooner than later.

Canberra sends its regrets to Manila that war has come to our corner of the globe, and expresses its thanks that your nation understands our previous commitments to the Commonwealth and Britain. Know that the decision to begin hostilities was not an easy one for this nation to make, but was one that must have been made. Though we appreciate your support in this time of crisis, your neutrality is most respected and understood.

Communique to Filipino Naval Bureau: The Australasian 2nd Fleet and Submarine Division (see front of thread for details) is operating in the Strait of Malacca and other waters around Sumatra as a reserve against Pakistani aggression and to support the navies of our Allies. Should elements of the navy of the UIP wish to coordinate exercises or defense of this area with us, we would be most appreciative of the support.
Sukiaida
14-07-2006, 00:40
Filipino Naval Bureau: Currently our navy isn't what it could be, but we can send a monitoring corvette units as well as one of our ASW Frigate units. Though since our country is not currently at war with anyone we will have to be kept at a purely defense roll.
Cylea
14-07-2006, 02:00
Filipino Naval Bureau: Currently our navy isn't what it could be, but we can send a monitoring corvette units as well as one of our ASW Frigate units. Though since our country is not currently at war with anyone we will have to be kept at a purely defense roll.

understood. Any support is appreciated, and perhaps once this dreadful war is over, Australasia will be able to assist your nation in improving its navy...
Galveston Bay
14-07-2006, 04:49
The RAN points out to its government leaders that the Pakistanis don't actually have a navy
Sukiaida
14-07-2006, 18:34
(Which is a good thing.)
Cylea
15-07-2006, 01:40
The RAN points out to its government leaders that the Pakistanis don't actually have a navy

careless of me. Sorry.

All the more reason to offer help improving it though--archipelgos generally need ships to defend themselves real well.
Sukiaida
17-07-2006, 22:33
The Philippines would not mind help with the Naval forces in the future. Currently though with the problems in China and the offer made by the UIP. It may seem we will be overrun by immigrants soon. We would like to request from our new allies food shipments to our country for possible help. It went out that we will accept 5 million from the USEA and 10 Million from China. WHile small in comparrison to those who will die, we will soon ration our food supplies to make sure we can feed those that doo arrive.
Cylea
17-07-2006, 23:59
The Philippines would not mind help with the Naval forces in the future. Currently though with the problems in China and the offer made by the UIP. It may seem we will be overrun by immigrants soon. We would like to request from our new allies food shipments to our country for possible help. It went out that we will accept 5 million from the USEA and 10 Million from China. WHile small in comparrison to those who will die, we will soon ration our food supplies to make sure we can feed those that doo arrive.

ooc: thats a hell of a lot of people for the infastructure in your nation to try to take at once. It will take a lot more than food to maintain stability.

IC: The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand, as a massive food exporter, shifts what reserves are avalaible into refugee funds. The Philippines will receive top priority among refugee receiving nations. Australia itself, under a coaltion government dependent on the right as well as the left, begins debate rather strict immigration limits. However, stockpiles of foodstuffs are commissioned in the northwest of the nation.

Also: As 1964 drags on, the government slides slowly into the red. Funds for upkeep of the troops abroad, even in the wake of the stunning Allied success against Pakistan, are higher than anticipated. Parliament manages to vote on accepting one million refugees from the USEA and two million from China, over the course of the next year. More redlining budgets arise as preparations are made in the infastructure of affected states, specifically Molluccas and New Guinea.

The 'Twilight War' drags on. Australasia has technically finished its direct role as the nation has not declared war on any nations of the CSPS and only one fighter wing is serving in Europe. News in November of the continued dissolving of the situation in China, the German entry in Europe, and the dissolution of the United States of America only serve to further unnerve the population. Everyone's nerves are on edge as the nation sends a representative to Kyoto to hash out a new world order. The mandate for stability is strong on both sides, even from those who opposed membership in the SCT...
Sukiaida
18-07-2006, 20:50
(Yeah property. Which if you look at where the majority of the Filipino's live in the island, it's to the south. Except Quezon City. And that city has been secondary to Manila. At this moment I have tons of lumber I haven't cut down to the North. And since the Philippines isn't too crowded today and has over 80 million, then I should be alright. Now command and control. That's why I have my military returned except for the light division and the Parachute brigades. And remember that going by boat is alot more trickle effect than on foot. They have to get to the boats and then sail. It takes time, and with my navy I can filter them to slow it down even more. Also the Philippines has a huge Catholic Church center. More aid added. It will be hard and I'll have a national effort for the next few years, but I can do it without overrun.)
Cylea
19-07-2006, 00:14
lol. I thought you didnt have a navy. A good point about the trickle from overseas though. I promise that will be used to my advantage. OOC i would love to take the millions in to add population, but Australians are so xenophobic its almost a stretch to have the numbers that I listed...
Sukiaida
19-07-2006, 17:43
OOC: Yeah the Philippines has always been a very diverse population. And Chinese are the... third I believe it is, in ethnic groups in the country. So for me it's just enlarging an Ethnic group that already exists. For Australasia, it would be pretty new.

And most of my navy is coast guard or anti-submarine warfare stuff. I have no heavy hitters.
Galveston Bay
19-07-2006, 20:56
Between 1964 -70, 5.2 million North Americans, mostly from the Great Plains region, will apply for immigration permits for Australasia, mostly seeking residence in New Zealand, Queensland, New South Wales, South Australia, and Tasmania
Cylea
19-07-2006, 22:35
Between 1964 -70, 5.2 million North Americans, mostly from the Great Plains region, will apply for immigration permits for Australasia, mostly seeking residence in New Zealand, Queensland, New South Wales, South Australia, and Tasmania

The government will have no issue with the vast majority of these people (not enough turned away to be an impact on the game). That the population boom will increase the gap between the northern and southern states is not seriously considered. (but boy will i have fun RPing it!)
Cylea
24-07-2006, 16:03
::Cracks Knuckles::

Here goes nothing.

IC: As the world unsorts itself from the tragedy of the Twilight War, Australasia finds itself about to take a new prominent place on the world stage. The great nations of Europe are smoldering in the wreckage of their latest war. The United States of America is no more. And the great powers of Asia, China and the USEA, are shells of their former selfs--struggling to keep their populations alive.

Waves of immigrants from all corners of the globe crash against the shores of the Commonwealth. Millions from North America, China, the Ukraine, and Poland line up to enter the nation and the Whitlam Ministry turns few away. The remnants of the White Australia policy are swept away as the nation expands.

The discovery of more than a million people living in the mountains of northern New Guinea (by soldiers scouting locations for missile emplacements and radar stations) prompts government funding to bring rural electrification to the area. Steps are taken to bring the Aborigines and Maoris more into the fold, and the citizenship process is accelerated for all immigrants (though more so for those with political leanings toward Labour). Conservatives shake with rage at the changes pushed through Parliament eager to act in these tumultuous times, and there are more than a few cases of racial violence reported in mixed areas like Darwin--likely warnings of what is to come.

The government manages to get a tighter grip on the budget this year, reversing cost overruns from the Twilight War and even paying off half of the public debt--this despite the continued sorry state of the global economy. Australasian food-stuffs make the difference, with the sale of these products in high demand in the rest of the starving, shell-shocked world.

And veterans begin their tour home. There are private celebrations, but not much noise is made. These soldiers and airmen did their duty well (Australian casualties in the past year were 63) but they are reminders of the darkest time in human history. Everybody hopes to forget.

Yet for Commonwealth troops in India and China, the war is not yet over. Those in the new state on the subcontinent are due to return home at the end of the year, their mission proudly accomplished. Only God knows how long relief troops may remain in southern China, but most experts predict they will not leave before the end of the decade. Some citizens clamour for their return, but most realize Australian aid is needed on a global level for now.

The scrapping of Australia's nuclear dettererent begins as well with a third of the active ICBMs being relegated to the trash heap. Their great silos in the Western Desert will soon be only a memory, collecting dusts and tourists for the next century.

The nation seeks closer ties with its neighbors, signing a pact with Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Talks continue in Seoul about a new general alliance that Australasia is interested in, but only time may tell what the world holds for everyone.
Cylea
25-07-2006, 22:33
End of 1960s Brief Report:

--White Water Navy increases.
--ICBMs scrapped
--Tensions rise btwn whites and asians (more on this later, I swear--i'm just rushed right now)
Amestria
25-07-2006, 23:32
Jan. 1970,
Australasia,
The Indian Embassy

The Republic of India had placed a great deal of importance on India’s relationship with The Commonwealth of Australasia, so much so that President/Prime Minister Indira Ghandi’s 26 year old son Rajiv Ratna Gandhi had been appointed the Indian Ambassador to Australia. He was a polite and cordial young man, educated in Imperial College London and Cambridge University (although he did not receive a degree). The office was nicely decorated, although the massive oil painting of Indira Ghandi and the display case containing two copies of her Little Green Book, all which potently displayed India’s recent Nationalistic Revolutionary fervor. Rajiv sipped his tea and went right to business at hand.

“The Republic of India places a great deal of value in its relationship with Australasia, a Commonwealth member, respected peacekeeper, and dominate power in Southeast Asia. Our country remains grateful for the Australian Governments deployment of peacekeepers, which helped stabilize the situation immensely, and we look forward to future of further cooperation.”

“Now the reason for this meeting is that the Government of the Philippines has taken a bazaar irrational moralistic dislike to our Republic ever since the July Revolution of 1964 (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11362583&postcount=394), a particularly bloody affair in which the Vanara Sena Party successfully overthrew the Pakistani Government of General Ayub Khan, whom there is no need to tell you was a brutal, murderous, and unstable monster (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10638213&postcount=139). In fact recent evidence suggests that he had plans on using Pakistani’s nuclear arsenal against the Indian people, but his subordinates refused to go through with it.”

Rajiv handed the Australasian officials several files pertaining to the incident.

India has captured –Censored- weapons –Censored- what Pakistan had.. they were captured at the capitals of Agra and Delhi. Apparently the plan was to use them on the rioters but that plan was betrayed by rational Pakistani security officers. (ooc: curtsy of a TG from GB.)

"In the immediate aftermaths the Philippines, which seems to have this arrogant view of itself as the worlds preeminent moral authority, condemned (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11363518&postcount=397) our brave noble Revolutionaries and since then relations have been on the rocks. They approach us after 5 years of silence about an Embassy and we demand an apology and they refuse, then they withdraw recognition (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436132&postcount=18).

“Now normally we would not care about what such an insignificant little country says about us, but this whole situation has the potential to restrict India’s commercial ventures in Southeast Asia and the Government of the Philippines has been particularly keen on stirring up trouble by providing a chorus to the United Islamic Republic’s bouts of saber rattling (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436125&postcount=16). They even have gone so far as to suggest that the 1965 elections, the elections which took place while Commonwealth forces were in the country, were fraudulent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436156&postcount=19) (offering no proof what-so-ever). The present President, Carlon Wong, seems, frankly, to be deluded. We humbly request that the Australian Foreign Ministry use its considerable diplomatic weight in the Region and…lean on them a little…get them to abandon their insane policy of unprovoked hostility…twist some arms in Manila.”
Sukiaida
25-07-2006, 23:43
(HMMM hope he gets on to respond or we gotta wait while he's gone for the weekend or uhh... wait how long was he gone again?)
Sharina
26-07-2006, 00:18
(HMMM hope he gets on to respond or we gotta wait while he's gone for the weekend or uhh... wait how long was he gone again?)

The weekend, I believe.
Haneastic
26-07-2006, 00:31
Jan. 1970,
Australasia,
The Indian Embassy

The Republic of India had placed a great deal of importance on India’s relationship with The Commonwealth of Australasia, so much so that President/Prime Minister Indira Ghandi’s 26 year old son Rajiv Ratna Gandhi had been appointed the Indian Ambassador to Australia. He was a polite and cordial young man, educated in Imperial College London and Cambridge University (although he did not receive a degree). The office was nicely decorated, although the massive oil painting of Indira Ghandi and the display case containing two copies of her Little Green Book, all which potently displayed India’s recent Nationalistic Revolutionary fervor. Rajiv sipped his tea and went right to business at hand.

“The Republic of India places a great deal of value in its relationship with Australasia, a Commonwealth member, respected peacekeeper, and dominate power in Southeast Asia. Our country remains grateful for the Australian Governments deployment of peacekeepers, which helped stabilize the situation immensely, and we look forward to future of further cooperation.”

“Now the reason for this meeting is that the Government of the Philippines has taken a bazaar irrational moralistic dislike to our Republic ever since the July Revolution of 1964 (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11362583&postcount=394), a particularly bloody affair in which the Vanara Sena Party successfully overthrew the Pakistani Government of General Ayub Khan, whom there is no need to tell you was a brutal, murderous, and unstable monster (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10638213&postcount=139). In fact recent evidence suggests that he had plans on using Pakistani’s nuclear arsenal against the Indian people, but his subordinates refused to go through with it.”

Rajiv handed the Australasian officials several files pertaining to the incident.



"In the immediate aftermaths the Philippines, which seems to have this arrogant view of itself as the worlds preeminent moral authority, condemned (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11363518&postcount=397) our brave noble Revolutionaries and since then relations have been on the rocks. They approach us after 5 years of silence about an Embassy and we demand an apology and they refuse, then they withdraw recognition (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436132&postcount=18).

“Now normally we would not care about what such an insignificant little country says about us, but this whole situation has the potential to restrict India’s commercial ventures in Southeast Asia and the Government of the Philippines has been particularly keen on stirring up trouble by providing a chorus to the United Islamic Republic’s bouts of savor rattling (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436125&postcount=16). They even have gone so far as to suggest that the 1965 elections, the elections which took place while Commonwealth forces were in the country, were fraudulent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436156&postcount=19) (offering no proof what-so-ever). The present President, Carlon Wong, seems, frankly, to be deluded. We humbly request that the Australian Foreign Ministry use its considerable diplomatic weight in the Region and…lean on them a little…get them to abandon their insane policy of unprovoked hostility…twist some arms in Manila.”

actually I think you meant saber ratling, not savor.

And I see you have at least some of the mustard gas according to your TG you showed
Sukiaida
26-07-2006, 22:34
Not that we could do much to eachother unless you used your atom bombs anyways. I mean you have almost no navy, and my army can't fight on your land. Not enough of them. So militarily we're not much of a threat to the other.

And I hope his wisdom tooth isn't too impacted, cause if it is, damn that sucks.
Amestria
26-07-2006, 22:48
Not that we could do much to eachother unless you used your atom bombs anyways. I mean you have almost no navy, and my army can't fight on your land. Not enough of them. So militarily we're not much of a threat to the other.

OOC: Why in the Nine Hells would India want to fight a war with the Philippines and vice a versa?!
Sukiaida
26-07-2006, 22:53
I'm small and Facists love expanding. And I'm not Hindu. OOH OOH and I'm an ally of UIR. BUt uhhh if we continue this convo lets do it in the base OOC thread so we don't get anyone mad. OH and also with the large amount of CHinese now in the Australian lands, a Chinese President in the Philippines woudl be extremelly popular there. Just a note.
Cylea
27-07-2006, 15:21
Jan. 1970,
Australasia,
The Indian Embassy

The Republic of India had placed a great deal of importance on India’s relationship with The Commonwealth of Australasia, so much so that President/Prime Minister Indira Ghandi’s 26 year old son Rajiv Ratna Gandhi had been appointed the Indian Ambassador to Australia. He was a polite and cordial young man, educated in Imperial College London and Cambridge University (although he did not receive a degree). The office was nicely decorated, although the massive oil painting of Indira Ghandi and the display case containing two copies of her Little Green Book, all which potently displayed India’s recent Nationalistic Revolutionary fervor. Rajiv sipped his tea and went right to business at hand.

“The Republic of India places a great deal of value in its relationship with Australasia, a Commonwealth member, respected peacekeeper, and dominate power in Southeast Asia. Our country remains grateful for the Australian Governments deployment of peacekeepers, which helped stabilize the situation immensely, and we look forward to future of further cooperation.”

“Now the reason for this meeting is that the Government of the Philippines has taken a bazaar irrational moralistic dislike to our Republic ever since the July Revolution of 1964 (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11362583&postcount=394), a particularly bloody affair in which the Vanara Sena Party successfully overthrew the Pakistani Government of General Ayub Khan, whom there is no need to tell you was a brutal, murderous, and unstable monster (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10638213&postcount=139). In fact recent evidence suggests that he had plans on using Pakistani’s nuclear arsenal against the Indian people, but his subordinates refused to go through with it.”

Rajiv handed the Australasian officials several files pertaining to the incident.



"In the immediate aftermaths the Philippines, which seems to have this arrogant view of itself as the worlds preeminent moral authority, condemned (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11363518&postcount=397) our brave noble Revolutionaries and since then relations have been on the rocks. They approach us after 5 years of silence about an Embassy and we demand an apology and they refuse, then they withdraw recognition (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436132&postcount=18).

“Now normally we would not care about what such an insignificant little country says about us, but this whole situation has the potential to restrict India’s commercial ventures in Southeast Asia and the Government of the Philippines has been particularly keen on stirring up trouble by providing a chorus to the United Islamic Republic’s bouts of saber rattling (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436125&postcount=16). They even have gone so far as to suggest that the 1965 elections, the elections which took place while Commonwealth forces were in the country, were fraudulent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11436156&postcount=19) (offering no proof what-so-ever). The present President, Carlon Wong, seems, frankly, to be deluded. We humbly request that the Australian Foreign Ministry use its considerable diplomatic weight in the Region and…lean on them a little…get them to abandon their insane policy of unprovoked hostility…twist some arms in Manila.”

OOC:wow. I'm impressed with the RPing (and pretty disappointed that I cant return the favor b/c of this damn pain in my mouth)

IC: Australia will look into the Filipino issue more closely. That nation is one of our closer Asian allies, and it would be most regrettable should our nation have to choose sides yet again in Asia--hostility is to be frowned upon.

Ambassadors to Manila enquire as to why the UIP has taken such a harsh stance.

However, Canberra has its own problems to deal with. By 1970, ethnic tensions are growing more serious at home...
Cylea
27-07-2006, 15:23
I'm small and Facists love expanding. And I'm not Hindu. OOH OOH and I'm an ally of UIR. BUt uhhh if we continue this convo lets do it in the base OOC thread so we don't get anyone mad. OH and also with the large amount of CHinese now in the Australian lands, a Chinese President in the Philippines woudl be extremelly popular there. Just a note.

Unfortunately for the Chinese immigrants, Anglos still have a minority and the ones who live in Australia and New Zealand have an incredibly nasty habit of being racist. The North American immigrants wont help matters much.
Cylea
27-07-2006, 15:28
Not that we could do much to eachother unless you used your atom bombs anyways. I mean you have almost no navy, and my army can't fight on your land. Not enough of them. So militarily we're not much of a threat to the other.

And I hope his wisdom tooth isn't too impacted, cause if it is, damn that sucks.

lol...(sort of)

Turns out 3 of 4 were impacted. woe.
Sukiaida
27-07-2006, 17:31
(Ouch dude. That sucks. I hope they heal up quick. Cause I've been there and you have my sympathy)

Manila sends a simple statement back that India demanded an apology from the UIP, and that if the UIP were to take a submissive stance it will once again be dominated by a foreign power.

One of the major reasons that the new alliance is so strong in the SOuth Seas is that each country is an equal, and that is what has kept us as good friends. If India were to take away it's foolish demand for an apology, then we would more than welcome recognizing them again. WHen we asked for an embassy, they demanded we apologize for asking them to show us some order in their country. As long as they wish to demand things of the UIP, we shall ignore their existance. We will accept India as an equal, not as a dominator of Asia. China was more powerful than we, and yet they showed respect to the Filipino people, as does Australasia.

Also, President Wong wonders if he may do something to speak to the CHinese of Australasia. He can not do much in relation to the Anglo population of your country, but as a broker he may be able to do something with the Chinese population to reach understanding inside your borders. Diversity should not lead to unfortunite events.

Also, Ms. Henrietta Wong is wondering if she can have Australian Citizienship. She loved her time at Sydnney University and wishes to stay.
Cylea
28-07-2006, 00:13
the US quietly lets Australasia know that once things settle down the US will give or sell Australia any warships or aircraft that it needs, including first line USN and USAF equipment.

Its made clear that the US is looking to cut costs and sharply reduce its military spending.

Assuming of course Australia remains allied to Britian and not the SCT.

OOC: Does this offer still apply to the possiblity of Australasia purchasing F15s and F14s in the coming years?
Artitsa
28-07-2006, 00:17
OOC: Does this offer still apply to the possiblity of Australasia purchasing F15s and F14s in the coming years?


ooc: If this is the case, and the FNS catches wind of such things being offered to Australia and not South America, someone is going to be pissed. The SCT might look pretty good at that point.
Cylea
28-07-2006, 00:20
(Ouch dude. That sucks. I hope they heal up quick. Cause I've been there and you have my sympathy)

Manila sends a simple statement back that India demanded an apology from the UIP, and that if the UIP were to take a submissive stance it will once again be dominated by a foreign power.

One of the major reasons that the new alliance is so strong in the SOuth Seas is that each country is an equal, and that is what has kept us as good friends. If India were to take away it's foolish demand for an apology, then we would more than welcome recognizing them again. WHen we asked for an embassy, they demanded we apologize for asking them to show us some order in their country. As long as they wish to demand things of the UIP, we shall ignore their existance. We will accept India as an equal, not as a dominator of Asia. China was more powerful than we, and yet they showed respect to the Filipino people, as does Australasia.

Also, President Wong wonders if he may do something to speak to the CHinese of Australasia. He can not do much in relation to the Anglo population of your country, but as a broker he may be able to do something with the Chinese population to reach understanding inside your borders. Diversity should not lead to unfortunite events.

Also, Ms. Henrietta Wong is wondering if she can have Australian Citizienship. She loved her time at Sydnney University and wishes to stay.

IC:
Children sniffed Prime Minister Whitlam as he read the Filipino note. I would expect better of these nations.

Still, the response makes sense. Australia sends a message to India, to the general effect that it hopes this diplomatic incident blows over and that perhaps both nations would be willing to forget this misunderstanding. Darwin is offered as a meeting site should the two nations ever wish to have discussions at a more neutral site.

(Sukiaida, I havent forgotten about your citizenship request or any of that, but I need to catch up on fluid time. This discussion is happening in 1970 and I have to RP race riots breaking out in 1968-69.) I'll respond once I finish that.
Galveston Bay
28-07-2006, 00:20
OOC: Does this offer still apply to the possiblity of Australasia purchasing F15s and F14s in the coming years?

F15s will be made available for sale to Australia, the FNS and UK beginning 1972. B1s and Cruise missiles will not be on the market at any point. F14s are made available for sale now to all three nations.
Cylea
28-07-2006, 00:21
ooc: If this is the case, and the FNS catches wind of such things being offered to Australia and not South America, someone is going to be pissed. The SCT might look pretty good at that point.

ooc: I doubt the offer stands. I was just checking, b/c I am stuck with F4s until somebody decides to play with me!

never mind--missed that by like a minute--sorry!

I'll probably work an F14 in or two in 1970
Cylea
28-07-2006, 16:52
The cities of Australasia flood with immigrants from all over the globe. People from North America, Asia, and Europe--their nations devasted by the Twilight War--find new homes in Sydney, Hobart, and Darwin. Despite a crippled global economy, the Commonwealth manages to make minor gains in production from imported capital and the national debt is paid off in three years.

Yet all is not well. To maintain solvency the nation must work over-time. By 1968 a national effort has been in place for nearly half a decade and the people are tired. The Labour government under Whitlam pushes for more as tensions escalate.

Australia has never been known for its inviting racial policies, with "White Australia" being formally dropped only a decade before. There are many enlightened citizens who realize that a nation spanning from parts of the former Dutch East Indies, to Tasmania, to New Zealand, to Fiji must develop tolerance. But there are many as well who would lash out at their neighbors in frustration at the difficulties of the world.


December 7th, 1968:
Darwin, Australia--8:40 PM

Jack Berenson crouched behind the remains of a burned out car, his back to the raw metal as a broken bottle flew past his right ear. "Bastards," he growled under his breath to the red-haired man on his left, clutching a revolver. "You give the damn Chinks a centimeter and they take a kilo."

"Too right mate," the man said back as he wiped blood from a nasty cut on his forehead. "Hows abouts we show these fellows what happens when you mess around with Aussies?" He whiped around and fired 3 shots over the hood of the car, catching a young Chinese girl in the lower back and shoulder as she ran away. She dropped with a wail as thirty ragged Anglos rose up with Berenson in a ragged line and charged with whatever blunt weapons they could find toward the crowd of fleeing Asians.

A shot or two rang out in the night, but the flames from a torched apartment illuminated nasty hand-to hand combat. Shouts in a half-dozen languages mixed in the hot night air. Jack ducked as a burly man threw a roundhouse at his face, then dropped his opponent with a kick to the balls and another kick to the face. And another. And another.

The sound of cop cars brought Berenson to his senses as the mob began to disperse. As Jack turned to run he nearly stumbled over the body of a red-head with a beer-bottle cut to the jugular. As his flight continued, Jack realized that he hadnt even known the man's name.

Cities with expanding populations from the Americas begin to deal with racial slurs grafittied on the walls of Chinese apartments and street gangs begin to form. On December 7th, 1968 the situation finally explodes. Student riots break out in downtown Darwin between Anglos and Chinese immigrants. The violence quickly spreads to most other northern cities (Ambon and Port Moresby are among the more prominent victims) and even the Sydney Opera House under construction is damaged--setting progress back by 2 months.

December 8th, 1968:
Canberra, Australia--3:00 PM

Gough Whitlam, Prime Minister of The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand, walked onto the stage before a joint session of Parliament.

"My fellow Australasians," he began slowly. "Yesterday, December 7th 1968, a date which will live in infamy..."

The government is forced to call up a mechanized infantry division recently returned from peacekeeping duty in India to maintain order. The gang wars rage for two weeks out of control before tapering off in the new year. Sporadic incidents continue throughout 1969 as the continued national effort threatens to damage the fragile economy. Debates in Parliament rage as representatives from the Northern states angrily call for a more complete role in the Union. As a concilatory measure, the coast guard is doubled in size to provide for more uniform protection along the hundreds of thousands of miles of coast-line. Funding is also restarted for satellite launches at Townsville, providing a much needed boost to the economy of that region and in Febuary 1969, a Dingo ICBM roars into space.
Cylea
28-07-2006, 16:59
Oh, and the PM pushes Ms. Henrietta Wong's citizenship application through--assuming she still wants it.
Sukiaida
28-07-2006, 20:33
1968: Despite being treat roughly for her Asian appearance, students find that bothering an allies child can be rather detrimental. And a few clear headed individuals make it so that the impression of Ms. Henrietta Wong are mixed, but towards her friends rather than the idiots.

President Wong in his first speech to the nation urges all CHinese to be sanguine. That the events in Australia are to be met with words of non-violent aggression. Let those with hate be shown for what they are, so that the better Australians, those with good intentions who do not want to harm their neighbors can see the evils of their fellow human beings and stop it. To violently return their actions would only cause more bloodshed.

(And personally the whole "Oh your being immature" thing about the insult and apology is getting on my nerves. To demand an apology from a country is to question it's soveirnty. A country without soverignty is not a country at all. Now I know you are doing it for other reasons, but truthfully I'm getting on the point of pissed off with others.)

1970: We will agree to meet in Darwin with you as mediator.
Cylea
28-07-2006, 23:12
1968: Despite being treat roughly for her Asian appearance, students find that bothering an allies child can be rather detrimental. And a few clear headed individuals make it so that the impression of Ms. Henrietta Wong are mixed, but towards her friends rather than the idiots.

President Wong in his first speech to the nation urges all CHinese to be sanguine. That the events in Australia are to be met with words of non-violent aggression. Let those with hate be shown for what they are, so that the better Australians, those with good intentions who do not want to harm their neighbors can see the evils of their fellow human beings and stop it. To violently return their actions would only cause more bloodshed.

(And personally the whole "Oh your being immature" thing about the insult and apology is getting on my nerves. To demand an apology from a country is to question it's soveirnty. A country without soverignty is not a country at all. Now I know you are doing it for other reasons, but truthfully I'm getting on the point of pissed off with others.)

1970: We will agree to meet in Darwin with you as mediator.

fair enough on the insult thing. In all OOC fairness, should push come to shove Australia will back the Filipinos. We have a closer alliance with you and there is a history of badblood between my nation and the subcontinent. Sorry if I gave any other impression.

IC: Preliminary costs estimates of riots in Australasia approach 85 million dollars with nearly 120 dead--double the costs in lives of the entire nation's losses during the Twilight War.
Sukiaida
28-07-2006, 23:54
OOC: Nah, it's just I keep getting this impression that some people don't like my constant questioning, so anything I do is childish in some way. Or it might be they play their countries as racist, its just constantly being treat as inferior makes me have a whole new appreciation for some of those smaller countries that want nuke programs.

And yeah South Seas blood should be thicker as we're neighbors. And personally I think the little Alliance between us does help some. Either way don't worry about it. Though I will say I got lucky with the CHinese immigration thing. If I'd have Americans moving to the Philippines, like the dissidents, god that would have caused trouble.

By the way, I guess Australia would tell India that the UIP is willing to discuss things in Darwin and all.
Cylea
29-07-2006, 01:02
The world emerges from its economic stupor--Australia slightly slower than the rest as it recovers from race riots and the strain of national effort.

Still, progress is massive compared to the last half decade. Microelectronics begin to find their way into the homes of citizens, and the tentative coalition in Parliament manages to find common-ground on a massive overhaul of the RAN. Nearly every cruiser in the fleet goes into drydocks around the continent for refurbishment and the nation buys two heavy fleet carriers from Dixie to replace the ASW vessels it already owns.

With a jaunty tune at it lips, Australasia approaches the new decade with excitement. Riding the optimistic wave, the Philippines and India are invited to meet at Darwin this year to air out their complaints with Australia as a moderator. The Commonwealth would prefer that its two neighbors be on more friendly terms...

EDIT: Worthy of note that in 1969 the Prime Minister changes (I assume I can still go back and do this what with fluid time and all). The influx of North Americans means that the general feeling of the nation is slightly more conservative, which means of course that Labour is out again. Riots and domestic unrest dont help matters. Most positions in the coalition remain the same, if only because the nation is too divided for strong rule by one party. However, PM for 1969 is John McEwing. Another cabinet shakeup less than six months later puts Matthew Sinclair from New Zealand in charge.

The PM for the 1970s is fiercely nationalistic, but also more pragmatic. Conservative on social issues but liberal on civil and political rights, he manages to garner support from most areas of the political spectrum and would be far more popular than he is initially if not for a lack in trust of government...
Malkyer
01-08-2006, 01:44
The South African government replies to Canberra's inquiries, stating that South Africa is more than willing to join their comrades in Australia in exploring space.

OOC: basically I have everything except space planes, lunar landers, and the space shuttle (of which I've researched 12 of the 72 points)
Galveston Bay
04-08-2006, 07:58
Fiji and the other heavily Polynesian portions of Australasia, as well as Papau begin see an increase in nationalism and cultural revival
Cylea
05-08-2006, 18:33
(1970, Stupid wacky time warp)

At the Kyoto Conference on the future of the alliances in East Asia, Indochina announces that the SCT will be no more from this point onwards, it will be broken down into it's constiuent parts.


Replacing the SCT's economic section will be similarly named Seoul Economic Goup (SEG), It will also encompass the Asian Economic Fund (AEF). The presidency of the SCG would rotate around the member nations, changing each year.
(The SEG would keep the original SCT flag)

The ASA will be made fully independant and civillian, military research and space items such as spy satellites will have to be funded and researched seperately by the member nations, though Launch facilities for them will be availible. The ASA would keep ties with the Seoul Economic Group but have to ties with Asian Treaty Organization.


Replacing the military wing will be the Asian Treaty Organization, which will change from it's original purpose as a militarist arm of a power bloc to a mutual defence organization.
The Asian Treaty Organization will retain the Joint Asian Inteligence Council (JAIC) which shares intelligence among member nations (assuming they want to share that is).
The Asian Treaty Organization would be neutral to any conflict outside of Asia and of those within Asia would only require it's members to provide asistance if a country can be proved to have been attacked first by the agressor.
In a dispute between two member nations the Asian Treaty Organization would try to mediate between the two to reach a desicion upon which both agree.
If unrest, war or natural disaster causes hardship within a country, they can ask the Asian Treaty Organization to supply Neutral Peacekeepers. Member nations would be obliged to provide aid or military units to further peace keeping efforts.
The Asian Treaty Organization would be a mutual defence organization only and as such members would be free to make alliances outside of Asia at any point.
The Asian Treaty organization would have a council made up of three elected members, which ultimately decides on what course of action should be taken if there is a tied vote betwen the Asian Treaty Organization memebers.
The council is changed every three years.
There would be no research exchange or research sharing obligations what so ever.
It is hoped these measures will bring peace and stability to an Asia where tensions have been rapidly rising.

All Asian and Oceanian countries would be invited to the organizations listed above including Russia in an obervers role if it whishes.
(India will also be invited, mainly because Indochina sympathises with India IC, no matter what is said OOC, and for this to work most of Asia needs to join)

Australasia is forced into a fierce internal debate over the issue of membership in the ATO. With Parliament so evenly split between Labour and the Country Party, a consensus is difficult to find. Finally, the following decisions are made in May.

--Australia will join the SEG. The nation's markets are consistantly finding themselves predominately in Asia and the Australians can not afford to be at odds with their trade partners yet again.
--Australia will join the ATO in a limited role as its Commonwealth ties mean that it can not remain neutral to all conflicts outside of Asia. The nation will not participate in the JAIC and join in the defense of other ATO members against agression on a case by case basis. However, the inclination will be to assist. In the instance of civil unrest or natural disaster, Australia will eagerly offer the fullest aid.
--Australia will not join the ASA officially, though it offers its launchsite at Townsville should the ASA wish to use it for launches in the southern hemisphere. It is hoped that Australia will be able to use ASA spaceports in a similar regard.
Cylea
05-08-2006, 19:16
Fiji and the other heavily Polynesian portions of Australasia, as well as Papau begin see an increase in nationalism and cultural revival

OOC:lol. tell me something I dont know, you trouble maker... :rolleyes:

IC: Civil unrest continues in the late 1960s and early 70s as PM Matthew Sinclair takes the reins of power. To counter the rising nationalism in far-flung areas, Canberra announces that a study will be funded to examine the possible reorganization of the Australasian government. In mid-June, 1970 the commission returns its findings, recommending a restructuring of representation in Parliament, and finding that if serious changes are not made, the nation will be faced with secession.

Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand Political Organization:
Region: Australia
States:
Western Australia--Capital: Perth
South Australia--Capital: Adelaide
North Australia--Capital: Darwin
Queensland--Capital: Brisbane
New South Wales--Capital: Sydney
Victoria--Capital: Melbourne
Tasmania--Capital: Hobart
Territories:
Australian Capital Territory--Canberra

Region: New Zealand
States:
New Zealand--Capital: Wellington

Region: Melanesia
States:
Paupa New Guinea--Capital: Port Moresby
Solomon Islands--Capital: Honiara
New Caledonia and Vanuata--Capital: Noumea

Region: Eastern Islands
States:
Fiji and Samoa--Capital: Suva

Region: Northern Islands
States:
Timor--Capital: Dili
Moluccas--Capital: Ambon

The Senate is reorganized to represent the new "regional" structure as well as individual states. Each State still sends 12 senators to Canberra but will be seated by regional interest. Senators will appoint one "Speaker for the Region" from their numbers who will represent their regional interests. Budgets and foreign policy must be passed by a majority of regions as well as a majority of Senators and Representatives from the House.

The matter is put to a national referendum and passes with 59%--mostly carried by Polynesian citizens and New Zealanders who have seen the centralization of power in Canberra expand too much for their liking. It is generally opposed in Victoria and New South Wales, home of the majority of immigrants from North America. However, the politically shrewd among them see the opportunity for vast changes in the politics of Australasia in the near future. A new parliament is seated by the begining of 1970 under the new rules, and many Polynesians take seats for the first time. Prime Minister Sinclair is reelected in a stunning majority with nearly universal support from those who supported the initiative and weak opposition from those who opposed--his core constiutency on domestic issues that have taken the forefront for many since the Great Depression. The matter of opposition to membership in the Kyoto Treaty is neatly swept under the rug in the greater noise...
Cylea
06-08-2006, 18:05
2 things to note as we enter 1970:

1--Groups in varied areas of the nation begin loosely debating the idea of formally switching to a Republic form of government. The idea is especially popular among the North Americans who make up 20% of the electorate and begins to gain support among the newly enfranchised Polynesians

2--New government form means a new flag (see front of thread). The large star now has 14 points to represent all the states with stars orbiting to represent the rest of the Pacific around Australasia. A move to update the Union Jack to match that of the modern United Kingdom fails as many conservatives (and again the North Americans) believe that it is more of a symbol to show the British flag as it was when Australia was given Dominion status at the beginning of the century.
Cylea
08-08-2006, 00:17
More news from 1970--such a busy year for the nation.

The "Australasia--South African Collaborative Space Program" is established with the two Commonwealth nations forming closer ties. Ambitious plans for the coming decade include varied unified satellite networks as well as orbital missions and laboratories. The move is widely applauded by a population (especially in Queensland) eager to regain momentum in an arena that had remained stagnant since the breakup of the Oceanic Alliance space initiative. Most detracters have other things like the government shakeup to worry about...
Sukiaida
08-08-2006, 13:59
(Sorry was gone for ten days.)

The UIP wishes the new space program luck, though remains apart of the old ASA network. It also asks what India's responce has been?
Cylea
09-08-2006, 00:01
(Sorry was gone for ten days.)

The UIP wishes the new space program luck, though remains apart of the old ASA network. It also asks what India's responce has been?

There wasnt one. I guess you assume that the whole thing blows over b/c there are more important things to worry about?

All sorts of stuff happening in the south seas these days...
Cylea
09-08-2006, 00:02
(Sorry was gone for ten days.)

The UIP wishes the new space program luck, though remains apart of the old ASA network. It also asks what India's responce has been?

There wasnt one. I guess you assume that the whole thing blows over b/c there are more important things to worry about?

All sorts of stuff happening in the south seas these days...

welcome back
Sukiaida
09-08-2006, 17:58
(I see I see. Well Ms. Wong will become politically active. I'd suppose on a SOuth Seas unity ticket in the Chinese sectors of the population. And on Australian youth. I didn't mean that to be the thing when I planted her there, but it's a perfect thing for you to use.)
Cylea
10-08-2006, 00:54
(I see I see. Well Ms. Wong will become politically active. I'd suppose on a SOuth Seas unity ticket in the Chinese sectors of the population. And on Australian youth. I didn't mean that to be the thing when I planted her there, but it's a perfect thing for you to use.)

a good point. How old is Ms. Wong? I will probably RP her getting involved in politics in the Northern Islands region of the nation if she has the age...

Also. in 1970 Australia turns down membership in the Treaty of Dar es Salaam.
Sukiaida
10-08-2006, 01:00
(She's in her late 20's. About 27 or 28. Aka young enough to speak to the youth culture, old enough to start politics.)

A message is sent to Australia asking for the manuevers that were requested of the Malaysians and Indonesians, to stay out of Filipino waters. (Ergo your Norther Eastern and Northern Border) Currently we are taking care of an incident, and wish our high alert coast guard not to mistake this for an invasion fleet.

(Ergo we were kicked out of your little South East Asia area, now learn what it's like with a flank in the air. Yeah I know it's a little bitter, but these are the Nationalists, not the Federalists.)
Cylea
10-08-2006, 02:54
(She's in her late 20's. About 27 or 28. Aka young enough to speak to the youth culture, old enough to start politics.)

A message is sent to Australia asking for the manuevers that were requested of the Malaysians and Indonesians, to stay out of Filipino waters. (Ergo your Norther Eastern and Northern Border) Currently we are taking care of an incident, and wish our high alert coast guard not to mistake this for an invasion fleet.

(Ergo we were kicked out of your little South East Asia area, now learn what it's like with a flank in the air. Yeah I know it's a little bitter, but these are the Nationalists, not the Federalists.)

understood. You should be aware though that often having a flank in the air and having a rival surrounded are similar concepts. Thanks for the info on Wong (I'll RP that in '71) and the exercises will stay out of Filipino waters. Bitterness is certainly not our goal...
Sukiaida
10-08-2006, 03:35
Of course it could have an opposite effect. I wasn't planning to do that much of a large naval boost. Now that I don't have the security of a united naval arm, I am going to spend alot on a larger navy. And I might consider repealing the nuclear ban and buying nuclear weapons for security reasons. And bomber arms. All still legal.
Cylea
11-08-2006, 00:24
Of course it could have an opposite effect. I wasn't planning to do that much of a large naval boost. Now that I don't have the security of a united naval arm, I am going to spend alot on a larger navy. And I might consider repealing the nuclear ban and buying nuclear weapons for security reasons. And bomber arms. All still legal.

just be aware of the consequences...
Sukiaida
11-08-2006, 00:30
OOC: I'll try diplomacy first, but you'd have to start spying on me first. And besides, it's not like AUstralasia is going to be my friend again anytime soon. It might do some good to scare the crap out of AUstralia.

IC: A diplomat is sent to Australia, his face grim as his graying hair is set. "The current destabilization of the rear has sent some rather harsh words. We have considered Australasia friendly before. And so we wish to ask that you give talks to Indonesia and Malaysia to reunite in alliance. We've declared neutrality on a Chinese issue, and if they were afraid of us going to war, we wish they see it's groundless."

You must understand that a panic is setting in on the Philippines. If you truly want us to see you in a positive light, then we need your help now. We're asking for your help. Our countries worked together to alleviate the depression when no one else would. We stuck together during the horros of the Twilight War. As old friends were are asking you, begging you to convince Indonesia and Malaysia that we are not their enemies and that they might cause horrible problems by making the people feel threatened in their backyard.
Cylea
15-08-2006, 23:59
OOC: I'll try diplomacy first, but you'd have to start spying on me first. And besides, it's not like AUstralasia is going to be my friend again anytime soon. It might do some good to scare the crap out of AUstralia.

IC: A diplomat is sent to Australia, his face grim as his graying hair is set. "The current destabilization of the rear has sent some rather harsh words. We have considered Australasia friendly before. And so we wish to ask that you give talks to Indonesia and Malaysia to reunite in alliance. We've declared neutrality on a Chinese issue, and if they were afraid of us going to war, we wish they see it's groundless."

You must understand that a panic is setting in on the Philippines. If you truly want us to see you in a positive light, then we need your help now. We're asking for your help. Our countries worked together to alleviate the depression when no one else would. We stuck together during the horros of the Twilight War. As old friends were are asking you, begging you to convince Indonesia and Malaysia that we are not their enemies and that they might cause horrible problems by making the people feel threatened in their backyard.

The Filipino diplomat is assured in the most strong terms that Australasia has no intention of finding itself opposed to the Philippines and will exercise all of its influence in Malyasia and Indonesia (ooc: grin!) to make sure that those nations will not be uncomfortable with yours. However, we can make no promises on their decision--we all have our soveriengty after all and it is not our decision to make. Were it up to Canberra, the South Seas Alliance would have been more fully incorporated into the PRTO...

ooc: and if you build up your navy i will notice without too much difficulty. There is no way in hell you can win an arms race against three nations that have a head start on you--defininately not worth trying. Like I said, I have no interest in fighting you. My domestic troubles alone are distracting.
Cylea
16-08-2006, 00:20
Australasia looks with dismay to its Asian neighbors as the it seems that nearly the entire continent slowly dissolves into war.

Internationally:
--Australia joins the Pacific Rim Treaty Organization (PRTO) with Columbia and other Western Nations. Malyasia and Indonesia join as well, strengthening their ties to Australia
--Australasia condemn the violence on both sides in India and the UIR
--The Chinese invasion of Tibet and Kashgaria is strongly condemned. Canberra declares a trade embargo of the agressor nation and reduces its diplomatic contingent to China to a bare minimum. Consulates are evacuated and embassies are on skeleton crews. Citizens are advised to leave.
--The 1st Light Marine Brigade is sent to Burma as part of a Commonwealth peacekeeping mission.
--Australasia vows to protect Nepal and Bhutan from foreign aggression

Domestically:
--Violence breaks out again briefly between dueling protesters over Chinese actions. A sharp rebuke from PM Sinclair brings the citizenry into line.
--The nation finds itself at a crossroads. Emerging as an international power at the same time that feelings begin to tend toward isolationism. Let the rest of the world deal with its madness--Australasia will protect its own backyard. Labour in-fact builds this point into its platform. However, the ruling party is the Country-Liberal, diluting some of this rhetoric.


Also:
Ms. Henrietta Wong, recently awarded Australian citizenship, finds herself at the head of a new and rising political movement based in Moluccas, Northern Australia and New Guinea demanding still more equalization between the north and south of the country. Surprisingly, she finds herself allied with many immigrants from North America as both have the same principle on their minds. If the nation is to become more Pacific-centric, it will need to find a new path. Loyalty and friendship to the old alliances are both proud and necessary (as cooperation with the Commonwealth in Burma shows) but perhaps a new governement form would be more effective. A different means to the same end. Perhaps, some begin to think, a Republic...
Sukiaida
17-08-2006, 14:01
OOC: THen help me for god's sake. I mean I tried to help you with your CHinese in Australia. In truth Australia took the negative way out and turne dit's back on the Philippines. I can only do so much before it becomes out of my control and I can no longer play in good concience. Help me. I mean no one else is in this RP.

IC: The AUstralasians are told that naval build-ups will be made in the UIP to make up for the dissollution of the SSA. Because of the disintergration of all our allies, we are forced to build a navy to protect ourselves. The nations will notice that the majority of our shipping is defensive, and not offensive.

In relation to the note that we may bring the outcome we wish to avoid. What choice do we have? Indonesia, Malaysia and Australasia have stayed the hand of the Philippines. No other choice has been given us. We are defenseless and surrounded. Our rivals are growing stonger, our friends abandon us, and our former allies wish to see us destroyed. What hope can you give us to make us feel different?