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Mckagan, Leafanistan, Red Tide2 and The Lone Alliance.
I was in a war with them, and then half way through my internet broke. I was unable to rp a response and eventually I lost my nation (it was deleted.) I could not RP a defence.

They then seized it.

Months later I re-entered Rping once again to find my land under their occupation. I was quite lenient about it at first, and decided to RP it back.
I even reclaimed the Red Tide2 and TLA sections.

But then I realised, why bother? Suddenly they had these million man armies in my old country, 1000's of defences, they even recruited my own nation to fight me. I dont see why I should fight against their god moddig.

I tried talking to them, saying handind back my nation Icily would be better than me bringing up what they did before OOCily. They just ignored me, and Mckagan even says he has blacklisted me. Worse for some unknown reason, Mckagan claimed both Red Tide and TLA could reclaim their old Frozopian quadrants. WTH?

They are quite clearly in the wrong here. Any advice? Because these guys take the piss.

Ignore them. Nothing you could do about it. They should at least let you have your populance back-persoanlly they've shown poor form in doing this too you.

ignore them and RP your nation as having been reclaimed. either that or get them to go back and have the old war again from the point where you went offline.
if they do decide to have an RP of you taking it back, or something similar, i'll back up your forces on request.

they even recruited my own nation to fight me.

Considering that only you can RP your forces and the citizens of your nation, if they pull that, you get a nice big supply of weaponry to turn against them.

Agreed, I would simply ignore them. If they're going to be jack-headed about it, there's simply no reason why you should put up with it.

I'm in agreement with the others, by the way. But if you do choose to pursue an RP with 'em, I could always bring my MT Alternate Nation out from mothballs and stage a big fat raid on 'em. The Unfounded is somewhat... trigger-happy when it comes to dealing with illegal occupations...

Bah Im sick of RPing with them in anyway. They are ignored.

Looks to me like an RP of you taking it back would'nt last very long with the number of people who'd be stepping in on your side... point them at this thread, methinks.

I agree, Its your nation, they could have at least come to a compromise with you.

Aww... I was hoping I'd be able to play as my Seven Tribes bunch again... don't find much occasion to play 'em anymore.

If you didn't have Internet access, it's not their right to "continue" the RP and seize your nation. It's YOUR nation after all.

I'd ignore them if I were you.

Actually I never took my land back, it's still Frozopias.

Thats what Mckagan said, but I guess I dont know what he was talking about. Let me check if I misread.

The Lone Alliance and Red Tide could declare they're holding it too Yeh I misread upon you and Red Tide, I apologise. Although I dont know how you and the Red Tide could declare they are holding Frozopia too.......

Ignoring solves everything.

Ignoring solves everything.

Quite true. There are many ways of doing it as well. Some funny, some not.

Just ignore those godmodding whiners, Frozopia.

Quite true. There are many ways of doing it as well. Some funny, some not.

Just ignore those godmodding whiners, Frozopia.

I guess it could cause some problems, say when you ignore them and then you don't know what they do. Then again, there's 'taking off the ignore' button, which I guess nullifies my point.

Quite true. There are many ways of doing it as well. Some funny, some not.

Just ignore those godmodding whiners, Frozopia.

I'm willing to start all over from the beginning, I'd hate to have a bad reputation.

Personally I see no problem with just chillling out, ignoring whatever the fuck has happened since you vanished and going back to imminent invasion all those years ago.

Crosspost from other thread:

Like I said, when you disappeared I supposed you pulled a Saharistan and abandoned it to reappear and forget about us for a while. Its happened to us SWC nations before, so we assumed the worst. I was disappointed after 2 months to see you gone and the RP I've been wanting to finish died. We can always restart.

Lets do the Time Warp again!

Nice going Frozopia. You created a perfectly neutral, unbiased thread. :rolleyes:

What happened was after the whole RP started (the original war), the whole group of nations Frozopia is pissed at waged this massive air campaign. For about a month of RL time, we strategically RP'd the destroying of most of Frozopias air, naval, and missile units. Then, one day, that just HAPPENED to be the day after we finally landed troops in the nation, Frozopia stopped responding and the nation was deleted. We decided that since he had left (for all we knew he wouldn't be back) we would just RP as having conquered and divided the nation between ourselves.

Then one day Frozopia (the player) comes back with the nation Topal and makes a thread that mentions Frozopia as a "vast wasteland," and I explained to him how we had RP'd that the nation had fallen.

The player got the account reinstated, and made a series of RP's. During these RP's he was friendly towards McKagan (at least, not hostile) and strategically got both Red Tide and TLA to pull out of the nation for various favours and deals: No problem there.

What Frozopia got mad about was that after both of those nations fell, Leafanistan and I boosted defenses to a massive level in our own quadrants of the nation. Frozopia seems to think that having ones neighbors invaded is no cause for suspicion, and didn't think we should have did that.

So eventually it worked up to a point where I was even considering just giving the Frozopian nation back; or at least just assimilating in as a peacekeeping force and letting him RP the majority of it. He started a conference, and somehow in the response Leafanistan pissed him off. The Frozopia player stated that because of TG's he'd been getting, he wasn't prepared to drop his defenses (something I requested he do, ICly, to get the conference moving.) Which effectively breaks down to him using OOC information ICly.

Regardless, I ICly stated that any attack upon Leafanistan would be met with a response from the McKagan Air Force. IMAF operates a UCAV Bombing Unit to take out mass AA units (something he was RP'ing as having); and he came in declaring that nothing was really MT. Apparently, using a bombing unit that is simply a mass produced version of something the US is testing now somehow makes me on the same level as someone who uses a Stardestroyer to take out an M1 Abrams.

Frozopia wants a wartorn PART of a nation with a fraction of the military hardware he had when we beat him the first time to be on the same technology level as a nation the size of China with a godlike economy. That's not realistic RP'ing, IMO. Now I offered to comprimise. I backed down my UCAV from being a high altitude bomber to something he could easily deal with. But he came in and starts screaming over how we'd only win because we're using technology that's not really MT. I'd like to point out that the only technology he stated to having any problems with was the UCAV; which I told him I could scale down to something he could deal with.

He expects one swift move to take the nation back. I told in OOC that if he wanted the nation back, he could simply talk politically and I'd eventually fade away. Personally, i'm not having someone declare war on me and then tell me I can't use my hardware.

I'm still on the table for RP'ing from before he made a request of the conference and effectively started a war: But he's got to be willing to admit that 1/2th of a wartorn country that just gained independence isn't going to be as advanced a fighting force as another nation. I'm not techmodding: I'm using technology that will be on the market by 2010.

If he doesn't want to work with me and wants to be so difficult, i'm just considering that none of this rebellion stuff ever started and i'll continue to use McKagan Occupied Frozopia as a Strategic Base.

Personally I see no problem with just chillling out, ignoring whatever the fuck has happened since you vanished and going back to imminent invasion all those years ago.

Now see, that's the same here: I was looking forward to that invasion when he dropped off the map.

*Fires a Massive I.G.N.O.R.E Cannon at Mckagan, Leafanistan, Red Tide2 and The Lone Alliance*

Problem solved.

*Fires a Massive I.G.N.O.R.E Cannon at Mckagan, Leafanistan, Red Tide2 and The Lone Alliance*

Problem solved.

... which adds so much to this conversation and really solves alot of problems, and totally shows you have read anything by someone other than Frozopia...

*Fires a Massive I.G.N.O.R.E Cannon at Mckagan, Leafanistan, Red Tide2 and The Lone Alliance*

Problem solved.

To all those (tl;dr) people who don't understand yet let me clarify.

As an alliance of nations we've faced an enemy who creates massive RP wars and then suddenly drops away. We are usually left with a shattered nation to rebuild.

Frozopia seemed to be the same way, the day of our massive (personally I was landing 200,000 troops, 10 divisions) invasion, he stopped RPing. We stopped the RP, bumped it a few times, and after 2 RL months he disappeared.

He returned and RPed Frozopia as a captured occupied wasteland. Suddenly we are in the wrong.

So far I'm pissed everyone has passed judgement on us without hearing us out fully. So fuck this shit, lets just start over Frozopia. We can have a loving relationship.

:fluffle:

So far I'm pissed everyone has passed judgement on us without hearing us out fully.


Me too. I've lost alot of faith in some of the people on NationStates today. Without even stating they'd like to hear the other side of the story, they took Frozopia's side as gospel. It's bullshit that people turn on people so easy around here: And i'll REALLY remember it if some of you are ever in the same position in the future. :)

Me too. I've lost alot of faith in some of the people on NationStates today. Without even stating they'd like to hear the other side of the story, they took Frozopia's side as gospel. It's bullshit that people turn on people so easy around here: And i'll REALLY remember it if some of you are ever in the same position in the future. :)

Instead of griping, maybe you could give us the URLs of the RPs so we could see for ourselves...

Me too. I've lost alot of faith in some of the people on NationStates today. Without even stating they'd like to hear the other side of the story, they took Frozopia's side as gospel. It's bullshit that people turn on people so easy around here: And i'll REALLY remember it if some of you are ever in the same position in the future. :)

Welcome to the internet.

Hey, I am aware that this isn't really any of my business, however it seems that the Alliance against Frozopia did the ONLY practical thing it could do. I mean, they couldn't just ignore the RP they had started, it wouldn't be practical.

On a somewhat related note:

McKagan, didn't I buy a parcel of land from you IN Frozopia? The city of Gial I believe. If you recall this, and it's valid I would be willing to join in any RP you folks concoct to fix this situation.

Frozopia seemed to be the same way, the day of our massive (personally I was landing 200,000 troops, 10 divisions) invasion, he stopped RPing. We stopped the RP, bumped it a few times, and after 2 RL months he disappeared.


Again, exactly. Everyone here (without having a fucks worth of knowlege about what they're talking about) acts as if the war was just getting started and we just RP'd the rest of the way. Frozopia had like a few tanks dug in along the coasts and we were dropping in massive amounts of troops. It's not like it would have been a long war from that point. It was a VERY important RP for the development of my nation and seemed to be rapping up. The best thing to do for it was put some sort of "cap" on it so all that time wasn't wasted and the development still counted.

How many of you knew that? I bet so many of the people passing judgement were keeping track of that RP... hell, I bet alot of the people passing judgement weren't even members when that RP took place!

McKagan, didn't I buy a parcel of land from you IN Frozopia? The city of Gial I believe. If you recall this, and it's valid I would be willing to join in any RP you folks concoct to fix this situation.

Hey, you're still around! Cool. I'm not sure on what we'll be doing. If we can't reach a compromise and I keep Frozopia blacklisted, then yeah, it's still yours. We may have to go back and do some other RP'ing; or RP Topal trying to invade Frozopia or something; so it's really up in the air.

If it works out with McKagan still holding Frozopia, it's yours.

That's about the most precise thing I can tell you right now.

Welcome to the internet.

The internet is serious business. :mad:


:rolleyes:

I'll get the thread URLs soon, I'm checking my gmail archived subscription things.

Hey, you're still around! Cool. I'm not sure on what we'll be doing. If we can't reach a compromise and I keep Frozopia blacklisted, then yeah, it's still yours. We may have to go back and do some other RP'ing; or RP Topal trying to invade Frozopia or something; so it's really up in the air.If you ignore someone (in your case, you're calling it putting him on your blacklist), you shouldn't claim you still have his land. That's a pretty selective ignore as far as I'm concerned.

If you ignore someone (in your case, you're calling it putting him on your blacklist), you shouldn't claim you still have his land. That's a pretty selective ignore as far as I'm concerned.

In my opinion he shouldn't just declare we don't exist and then run off to start other RP's where the nation isn't occupied (or never was) without offering a way to meet in the middle on the subject. That's what I was talking about "blacklisting."

And for those who are interested: Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443209)

If you ignore someone (in your case, you're calling it putting him on your blacklist), you shouldn't claim you still have his land. That's a pretty selective ignore as far as I'm concerned.
Agreed, if you ignore somebody then you stop all contact untill they repent themselves. So I would've just ended the RP in your situation and forgotten all about Frozopia, and when he had come as Topal claiming the "wasteland" i would've continued to ignore him until he was ok with starting where you guys left off.

The internet is serious business. :mad:


:rolleyes:

I'll get the thread URLs soon, I'm checking my gmail archived subscription things.

Pft. Tell that to NS General.

It doesn't matter, since Frozopia never did this before you should give him the benefit of the doubt. What owuld you do if a land you worked hard to attain was taken away mid-invasion if your internet was screwed up? Obviously since the thing fizzled afterwards and the nation essentially was deleted theres no way of really knowing that Frozopia left just to gripe. Or else he could have just made a puppet sooner instead of making Topal fairly recently.

Agreed, if you ignore somebody then you stop all contact untill they repent themselves. So I would've just ended the RP in your situation and forgotten all about Frozopia, and when he had come as Topal claiming the "wasteland" i would've continued to ignore him until he was ok with starting where you guys left off.

But see, the Frozopian war was too important in the development of my nations Air Force (and other aspects) that it was important that it be kept "valid" and "on the history books."

Pft. Tell that to NS General.

Glad there are stairs in my house.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443209&page=10

We started the invasion, ASF-10s were the designation of domestically produced F-15 Eagles until we dumped them for the NATF-22 (Swing wing F-22 for the navy) and the UC-16s were PMT fully automated fighter aircraft.

Frozopia dies at this point, we are terribly let down.

We take his land. I'm sure you all would have done the same thing.

But see, the Frozopian war was too important in the development of my nations Air Force (and other aspects) that it was important that it be kept "valid" and "on the history books."I've had RPs like that end up ignored because of Godmoding on the part of people I was RPing with. I just picked up the proverbial pieces and took part in another RP that filled the same purpose and ignored the offending parties.

As you may well know, getting me to unignore someone is not an easy task.

McKagan, regardless of how much Frozopia appears to be/is at fault, there really isn't much you can do about it. NS if a free form environment, and therefore Frozopia can retcon and ignore anything he chooses. Though you may view it as bad form, there is nothing illegal about it.

The only thing that would concern me is this:


If he doesn't want to work with me and wants to be so difficult, i'm just considering that none of this rebellion stuff ever started and i'll continue to use McKagan Occupied Frozopia as a Strategic Base.

This can only lead to hostile feelings that may turn into a flamefest. If Frozopia wants to retain his old claims and state of his nation, then he certainly can. The rest of the community can either accept it, or ignore it, and move on.

Also note that there were essentially no bumps from him, so for all intent and purposes it did end randomly. Even if you think he could have just quit, he might not have, and since hes back you might as well give it to him. Theres no real IC reason why you should have kept going.

In my opinion he shouldn't just declare we don't exist and then run off to start other RP's where the nation isn't occupied (or never was) without offering a way to meet in the middle on the subject. That's what I was talking about "blacklisting."

And for those who are interested: Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443209)

Ok, I can see your point...somewhat. Frozopia should've just changed to Topal and let you guys have it, instead of trying to go back to get his old territory. But still, if he's willing to start where you guys left off in the war, since the internet does jack off occasionally, it'd be the right thing to do to agree, since that's out of his control.

Lets stop the talking and consider this, we can restart the RP from before. From this point, we can even bump the thread back.

Following a vote by the Senate, we shall transmit terms of surrender to Allied Forces. They are as follows:

The Glorious Republic of Leafanistan will pull out of the conflict if:

The King and all his top level people are deported to Leafanistan as war-criminals.

The government is surrendered to allied forces and all enemy troops surrender to Allied Landing forces.

The military is to go back to peacetime activities and allow weapons inspectors to go through ALL military bases.

All P.O.W.s shall be returned to Allied Forces.

The Candrian Empire is allowed control over the reactor under the supervision of weapons inspectors.

That is all.

[END]

Crap, I'm still a Republican system, should I update to the Confed?

I'm bumping the old thread.

Lets stop the talking and consider this, we can restart the RP from before. From this point, we can even bump the thread back.



Crap, I'm still a Republican system, should I update to the Confed?

I'm bumping the old thread.

I'd really, really like to not have to start over from some point in the middle of that RP. I don't know what stage of development my nation had at that time; and it just makes things more complicated than they need to be.

Backward RP'ing - Not Good.

Again, exactly. Everyone here (without having a fucks worth of knowlege about what they're talking about) acts as if the war was just getting started and we just RP'd the rest of the way. Frozopia had like a few tanks dug in along the coasts and we were dropping in massive amounts of troops. It's not like it would have been a long war from that point. It was a VERY important RP for the development of my nation and seemed to be rapping up. The best thing to do for it was put some sort of "cap" on it so all that time wasn't wasted and the development still counted.

How many of you knew that? I bet so many of the people passing judgement were keeping track of that RP... hell, I bet alot of the people passing judgement weren't even members when that RP took place!

Just because he stopped responding, and his nation got deleted, does not mean you can simply claim his territory. That's the kind of thing yoiu see in n00b threads, where the person they've challeneged ignores them, and they simply keep advancing, oblivious to the fact that the thread isn't really a war without muyltiple players. What you SHOULD have donewas let the thread die, no matter how "important" it was to your nation, because that would have been the responsible thing to do.

McKagan, regardless of how much Frozopia appears to be/is at fault, there really isn't much you can do about it. NS if a free form environment, and therefore Frozopia can retcon and ignore anything he chooses. Though you may view it as bad form, there is nothing illegal about it.

It's needless though. It's not as if we're not giving him options to start the RP again. If he chooses to simply ignore us without reason, I don't see why we can't do the same to him.

This can only lead to hostile feelings that may turn into a flamefest.

LEAD to hostile feelings? I don't think we've got much to lose there.

What i'm saying, about any potential McKagan blacklisting of Frozopia; is that i'd ignore any future RP's he does surrounding the nation. Meaning that it wouldn't matter how the community or other people he'd RP with would accept it.

Just because he stopped responding, and his nation got deleted, does not mean you can simply claim his territory. That's the kind of thing yoiu see in n00b threads, where the person they've challeneged ignores them, and they simply keep advancing, oblivious to the fact that the thread isn't really a war without muyltiple players. What you SHOULD have donewas let the thread die, no matter how "important" it was to your nation, because that would have been the responsible thing to do.

I want to restart hte RP form the invasion.

McKagan, Red Tide, The Lone Alliance, Leafanistan (oh wait that is me), and Candrian Empire all come back.

I want to restart hte RP form the invasion.

McKagan, Red Tide, The Lone Alliance, Leafanistan (oh wait that is me), and Candrian Empire all come back.

We COULD just say that the air campaign continued for a long time and then have our current day armies drop in.

We COULD just say that the air campaign continued for a long time and then have our current day armies drop in.

I want a Frozopian response, I prefer is we say that the peace treaty just sat there for a bit and he is allowed to build back at most 2 more divisions.

We COULD just say that the air campaign continued for a long time and then have our current day armies drop in.
Plus, Frozopia'd probaly argue that your guys's forces were still too large and unproportianal to the original RP...it'd be a better option to start where you left off.

Just because he stopped responding, and his nation got deleted, does not mean you can simply claim his territory. That's the kind of thing yoiu see in n00b threads, where the person they've challeneged ignores them, and they simply keep advancing, oblivious to the fact that the thread isn't really a war without muyltiple players. What you SHOULD have donewas let the thread die, no matter how "important" it was to your nation, because that would have been the responsible thing to do.

Comparing me to a noob gains you very little respect.

Please read my other responses to this thread and insert them here.

Plus, Frozopia'd probaly argue that your guys's forces were still too large and unproportianal to the original RP...it'd be a better option to start where you left off.

I don't want to backward RP; that simply gets confusing and would make the thread less fun and possibly bring up more chances to argue. All we have to do is write up some way that would have had our invasion called off for a while.

I want to restart hte RP form the invasion.

McKagan, Red Tide, The Lone Alliance, Leafanistan (oh wait that is me), and Candrian Empire all come back.

That seems reasonable. Maintaining that you won the war(when Frozopia says you didn't, as McKagan seems to be doing) is foolish.

Comparing me to a noob gains you very little respect.

Please read my other responses to this thread and insert them here.

I read them, and I maintain my position. Laziness does not make a good excuse. Also, if the shoe fits, wear it, you act like one, I'll call you one. You have been given two options, start from the invasion, or relinmquish any claim to Frozopia. Binary solution set, now get over it.

Wow 4 pages in my absence.......

From what I gathered, you want to continue that thread? Really? Hell NO! You think I want to waste any more time Role Playing with you guys? I am so sick of this whole situation that I want to throw up. This ends here and now.


I'd really, really like to not have to start over from some point in the middle of that RP. I don't know what stage of development my nation had at that time; and it just makes things more complicated than they need to be.

Backward RP'ing - Not Good. The only Bit of sense Mckagan has made so far. As far as I am concerned I am Ignoring the occupation of Frozopia, and forgetting this whole situation ever happened. If I refer to this in future IC? I will say Frozopia was invaded, split into 4 states which were eventually freed and reunited. Dont like it? Tough.

Wow..uh.....erm.....uh...

Whatever.

Should of ASKED before taking over, you see, but....you know, kinda bad that you won't let him have it back, since we rp'ed it all for Red Frozopia...sad to see not many merciful NS RPer's these days.

Anywho, whateva.

Right now, Frozopia, you seem to be in the wrong. The other nations are allowing the invasion of Frozopia to happen again, as if it were nevr deleted, and now you're mad (For some strange reason). If you ignore them, the'yy ignore you, and Frozopia will still be occupied and free at exactly the same time. Wow. Now everyone's happy:rolleyes:

I personally think this is a really pointless discussion, btw. You cant just leave (accendentally or not) and then demend that the war never happened. I can understand why you might want the original war to continue from where you left off, but otherwise...

While I do agree with Leafanistan and some of what McKagan said (particularly the "listen-to-my-side-too-not-just-Frozopia" bit), I'd personally like to hear about the circumstances regarding Frozopia's Internet shutdown.

So, Frozopia, what exactly happened to your Internet?

1800th post...in an argument thread... :rolleyes:

While I do agree with Leafanistan and some of what McKagan said (particularly the "listen-to-my-side-too-not-just-Frozopia" bit), I'd personally like to hear about the circumstances regarding Frozopia's Internet shutdown.

So, Frozopia, what exactly happened to your Internet?

1800th post...in an argument thread... :rolleyes:

I'll be in the Wiki while Frozopia collects his/her senses and returns to us. I just want to do a huge landing.

*Gapes at mister Inquistion man*
I am not even sure myself. One of the builders who was working on my house did something to the line. When I asked my parents to ring up BT and get it fixed, they said (a trait which I have picked up e.g. I will do it tomorrow) they would do it when we got back from holiday. Of course by time we got back, they forgot, I reminded them, and then they say "Tomorow, tomorow" and then 2 months are gone.

*Gapes at mister Inquistion man*
I am not even sure myself. One of the builders who was working on my house did something to the line. When I asked my parents to ring up BT and get it fixed, they said (a trait which I have picked up e.g. I will do it tomorrow) they would do it when we got back from holiday. Of course by time we got back, they forgot, I reminded them, and then they say "Tomorow, tomorow" and then 2 months are gone.

So do we restart?

This seems like a blatant land-grab to me, no better than a lot of the stuff people used to try to pull off on Hataria.

This seems like a blatant land-grab to me, no better than a lot of the stuff people used to try to pull off on Hataria.

tl;dr :rolleyes:

Can we restart already? I sent you a TG too Frozopia.

I'd prefer not to Leafanistan.

*Gapes at mister Inquistion man*
I am not even sure myself. One of the builders who was working on my house did something to the line. When I asked my parents to ring up BT and get it fixed, they said (a trait which I have picked up e.g. I will do it tomorrow) they would do it when we got back from holiday. Of course by time we got back, they forgot, I reminded them, and then they say "Tomorow, tomorow" and then 2 months are gone.

Why, thank you. Just call me Torquemada.

Regarding your Internet, weren't there any other places you could go for Internet access (e.g. libraries, friends' houses, cybercafes, etc.)? Unless you live out in the middle of nowhere, I somehow doubt it would have been terribly difficult for you, at the very least, to post in the thread from somewhere else and say, "Listen, guys, my Internet's down; let's postpone the thread until I can get a stable connection again." Given that, I'd have to say the coalition wasn't exactly acting in bad form by assuming you were gone for good.

Hm maybe I could of done that. I think nationstates is blocked at school, but I am not certain. You see I only really use the internet at home........

It's needless though. It's not as if we're not giving him options to start the RP again. If he chooses to simply ignore us without reason, I don't see why we can't do the same to him.

Erm...of course you can do the same, nobody said you couldn't. Any player has the right to ignore any other player for any reason. But as stated earlier by someone else, if you're going to ignore someone, you cannot pick and choose what to ignore.

If Frozopia is someone you choose to ignore, then to you they no longer exist. That means you get no colonies on their land, you get no spoils from having 'taken over' the 'vacant' space.

LEAD to hostile feelings? I don't think we've got much to lose there.

On the contrary. You guys haven't resorted to name calling and the like, so in order to keep the peace, I'd advise you guys just part ways.

What i'm saying, about any potential McKagan blacklisting of Frozopia; is that i'd ignore any future RP's he does surrounding the nation. Meaning that it wouldn't matter how the community or other people he'd RP with would accept it.

Way to state the obvious. However, the community may decide because of this that they do not want to interact with certain people involved in this incident, so on a larger scale this will inevitably have some affect.

The bottom line is this, if Frozopia decides (which he has) for any reason that he/she doesn't want to continue this RP you guys had going, then he/she doesn't have to. Wether you agree with it or not is another story, but you should at least be/remain civil about it. Just cut your losses and move on.

Sorry But Frozopia CAN'T BACK DOWN. The reasons that the war started are still there. And if he refuses to allow it I'll declare war for the reasons of the first war and just kill him anyway.

Actually, no you won't. I'll make dang sure of that, just because he ruines your "Planned RP" doesn't mean a darn thing. Now, give it up.

and if you do declare war, i'll be right there on his side too.
give up on conquering him and move on, lest you do even more damage to your reputation than you already took...

Why, thank you. Just call me Torquemada.

Regarding your Internet, weren't there any other places you could go for Internet access (e.g. libraries, friends' houses, cybercafes, etc.)? Unless you live out in the middle of nowhere, I somehow doubt it would have been terribly difficult for you, at the very least, to post in the thread from somewhere else and say, "Listen, guys, my Internet's down; let's postpone the thread until I can get a stable connection again." Given that, I'd have to say the coalition wasn't exactly acting in bad form by assuming you were gone for good.
I have to say I agree with you Hal.

I'd prefer not to Leafanistan.

No, I insist, you still tried to kill our national leaders in a peace conference. I continue to insist we continue the war from before.

Either that or you accept my peace treaty. We can continue from there.

New treaty? War reperations seem to work well, bribe us for peace. I want a realistic end to this.

<== Still willing to bring in the Unfounded on Frozopia's side...

No, I insist, you still tried to kill our national leaders in a peace conference. I continue to insist we continue the war from before.

Either that or you accept my peace treaty. We can continue from there.

New treaty? War reperations seem to work well, bribe us for peace. I want a realistic end to this.


Seems that this is a MORE than reasonable request. Honor demands that it is followed through.

Frozopia, take them up on that war, and you'll probably win...

not that i have many spare troops around right now. ah well.

Frozopian - Coalition Peace Treaty

Draft

INSISTING that the illegal attack by your king was uncalled for and unnecessary especially during a peace conference.

RESPECTING the royal heritage of Frozopian culture.

ACKNOWLEDGING that mass destabilization of Frozopia would appear with the arrest of the King and his perpatrators.

ADMITTING that total war was uncalled for on both sides.

The Glorious Confederacy of Leafanistan demands $2 billion US as damages from Frozopia, no other nation may demand more than this.

The Coalition wants a formal apology from the king for attempting to murder our representatives and leaders.

The Glorious Confederacy will pull all troops out of the Frozopian Theatre and formally apologize for its part in the war.

Other Coalition forces will apologize and pull its forces out of the Frozopian Theatre.

NO reperations will be paid by Coalition forces.

The Glorious Confederacy will resume its uranium mining contract in Frozopia unhindered.

The Candrian Empire will maintain control over their reactor

NO limits will be imposed on the Frozopian Military.

Coalition forces will render all declarations of war on Frozopia as null and void.

There are to be NO limits placed on diplomatic relations between our nations.

OOC: $8-$10 billion is a cheap price for peace and an end to this silly discussion, I've tried to make it seem like its back to our old happy selves.

Just to mention: I don't know how much land McKagan had there, but I purchased the city of Gial and ten miles around the city for my own use. I am willing to sell it back to the Frozopian government for HALF the price I bought it for, out of the generosity of the Empire. I would only ask that I may be included as AT LEAST a silent participent in this peace conference. Thanks.

Fecking bully N00bs you have no choice Lone Alliance you are IGNORED--- this is an OOC thread so who are you going to kill.

You people need to grow up, this is a game.
He says "No thanks"---

No one tried to kill any national leaders, nothing, he is ignoring your story.

It is over.

I am with No_State_At_All, I dont even know Froz but I will back him as well.

Fecking bully N00bs you have no choice Lone Alliance you are IGNORED--- this is an OOC thread so who are you going to kill.

You people need to grow up, this is a game.
He says "No thanks"---

No one tried to kill any national leaders, nothing, he is ignoring your story.

It is over.

I am with No_State_At_All, I dont even know Froz but I will back him as well.

So we ignore that whole part, so the whole peace conference thing with that other nation is null and void. Fine.

random and belated question, whats the whole uranium mining contract thing about?

I am with No_State_At_All, I dont even know Froz but I will back him as well.

Backing a nation up ICly because of an OOC arguement is stupid and takes away from the story.

I'm afraid I'm with the SWC on this one, Frozopia has been gone from the forums for WAY too long, and never took the time to actually contact the involved RPers. That makes HIM in the wrong.

Maybe we SHOULDN'T TAKE SIDES!

Frozopia has a new land, period. Thats solves it.

Sorry But Frozopia CAN'T BACK DOWN. The reasons that the war started are still there.


Sorry buddy, but you're wrong. Who are you to tell Frozopia what he can and can't do?

And if he refuses to allow it I'll declare war for the reasons of the first war and just kill him anyway.

Riiiight...declare war because he ignores you and the conflict. :rolleyes:

That's declaring war for OOC reasons right there, which is no more n00bish than declaring war on the world or the UN.

random and belated question, whats the whole uranium mining contract thing about?

OOC: I had a uranium contract with Frozopia before the war started. When it started I abandoned the mines, retracted my personnel and detonated the mines to prevent Frozopia from gaining easy access to it.

Though if the war never happened then I'm still happily mining there.

Here is my idea for solving this deadlock (and it makes it so it does not matter who is in the wrong).

Here is how it would go:

1) Topal and Liberated Frozopia sit down and make plans for reunification.

2) Topal/1/2 of Frozopia upgrade their weapondry (no more complainst over one side constantly having better tech).

3) Topal be allowed to RP 1/2 of Frozopia and Mckagan/Leaf be allowed to RP the other half (that way the Frozopian stats are not an unfair advantage).

4) A careful list of allies for both sides be made (equal numbers) and the RP will be closed.

5) The second Frozopian war will determine the final status of Frozopia and what happens to Topal.

Any thoughts?

I'm afraid I'm with the SWC on this one, Frozopia has been gone from the forums for WAY too long, and never took the time to actually contact the involved RPers. That makes HIM in the wrong.

Sometimes people can't control their real lives fast enough to warn everyone they are roleplaying with. Back in December of 2004 I broke my arm and basically ruined what wasn't already ruined in my war with AMF, but AMF had the etiquette to say, "That's alright, welcome back." In my War of Golden Succession SafeHaven2 had his computer fry, and he hasn't been back for a month, but he recently came back and I just said, "let's pick up from where we left off." So, in the end, it's certainly not his fault that he has a life outside of NS, and that it spun too fast for him to continue here for a while. As a player, and as it is his own account, he also has the right to choose whether or not he wants to continue where he left off - he certainly has the right to decide that his occupation while he was away was unfair and is untrue.

The only good solution can't be occupation and second war because that would fuck with flow of time too much. Far too confusing.

I suggest take the treaty and pay $8 billion (a tiny amount, I'll drop my $2 billion if you just allow me to mine) and it ends there.

Or

We pretend none of hte circumstances behind this war ever happened and just drop it forever. Which means I'm still mining.

The only good solution can't be occupation and second war because that would fuck with flow of time too much. Far too confusing.


I do not see how my idea is confusing (actually it wraps things up rather nicely for everyone).

1) The old war happened.

2) The new war will determine how things end in a fair and fun way.

3) Everyone goes away happy.

Why don't you just start off where you left off then? What's so hard about that?

Why don't you just start off where you left off then? What's so hard about that?

I don't like that because too much has happened since, much easier just to move forward and construct a scenario in which everyone will be happy and all issues could be resolved.

Sorry buddy, but you're wrong. Who are you to tell Frozopia what he can and can't do?
Riiiight...declare war because he ignores you and the conflict. :rolleyes:
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No HERE'S the IC reason:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9429690&postcount=54

Here's the rest of what happened:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437427&page=4

The Attempted Murder of Delegates is a reason for war. But since he said the resulting battle didn't happen, I'll just start off from after the end of that thread. Completely legal.

And it's not fair to Ignore something That you started. That's being a noob. (Oh noozs I don't like the war so I undo all the bad things I did to you.)

Skibereen you're a moron if you didn't even read take the time to research anything, boy you're so smart you automaticly assume the whole war was for OOC reasons or something? .


Look things up before accusing me of OOC reasons. I'll declare war because there was no war according to him. But since there were plans for a war, I'll just say the new war is the war against the assassination attempt. But I am also willing to do this:

Frozopian - Coalition Peace Treaty

Draft

INSISTING that the illegal attack by your king was uncalled for and unnecessary especially during a peace conference.

RESPECTING the royal heritage of Frozopian culture.

ACKNOWLEDGING that mass destabilization of Frozopia would appear with the arrest of the King and his perpatrators.

ADMITTING that total war was uncalled for on both sides.

The Glorious Confederacy of Leafanistan demands $2 billion US as damages from Frozopia, no other nation may demand more than this.

The Coalition wants a formal apology from the king for attempting to murder our representatives and leaders.

The Glorious Confederacy will pull all troops out of the Frozopian Theatre and formally apologize for its part in the war.

Other Coalition forces will apologize and pull its forces out of the Frozopian Theatre.

NO reperations will be paid by Coalition forces.

The Glorious Confederacy will resume its uranium mining contract in Frozopia unhindered.

The Candrian Empire will maintain control over their reactor

NO limits will be imposed on the Frozopian Military.

Coalition forces will render all declarations of war on Frozopia as null and void.

There are to be NO limits placed on diplomatic relations between our nations.

OOC: $8-$10 billion is a cheap price for peace and an end to this silly discussion, I've tried to make it seem like its back to our old happy selves.

And to accuse me of causing this. I was NICE and I gave back his land and was ready to walk off happy. I was hoping that eventually everyone would work out an agreement in which everyone still had Frozopian assets but he got his country back. Don't accuse me of being part of the problem.

I do not see how my idea is confusing (actually it wraps things up rather nicely for everyone).

1) The old war happened.

2) The new war will determine how things end in a fair and fun way.

3) Everyone goes away happy.

The old war never happened, it didn't conclude the new war only started because we assumed that Frozopia had chickened out. I'm sure if that he asked for a comeback we would have said yes. Instead he created a puppet and went with it.

Lets just sign the peace treaty, apologize to each other and grudgingly continue.

those mines are really important to you arent they leaf... :p
and i'll agree on further thought with:
I suggest take the treaty and pay $8 billion (a tiny amount, I'll drop my $2 billion if you just allow me to mine) and it ends there.

Or

We pretend none of hte circumstances behind this war ever happened and just drop it forever. Which means I'm still mining.

pick one, do it, and thats that.

Some agreement does need to be came to, perhaps McKagan and co could be forced to withdraw somehow perhaps due to uprisings that are too hard to supress and the forces are urgently needed elsewhere, either that or Amestria's suggestion good as it is I doubt it would work out, things would degenerate into an ignore fest.

The person who ruined the internet connection. Lets blame them and have the end of it.

Summery of what others have said so its all in one place.

A. Restart the RP-from where you left off.

B. RP stands as is- add a different ending or make a ending all parties can agree on.

C. You all ingore each other and everyone goes home happy with what they want.

As for my opinion- flip a coin, do a dance, make a little love- who cares just let the RP and thread die--------------------------------------

If were woried about screwing up your nations history- well two things, one its not real so why are you worried about it? two its not hard to make up a new history, maybe you like the new one better then the old. THE END! :headbang:

Halberdgardia brought up a good point: In 30 days someone could find a computer to state that they wouldn't be around.

Frozopia simply doesn't want to fight this coalition because he knows he can't win (not trying to brag or ANYTHING, but stating facts,) so he's trying to deal away with us the easiest way. Personally, I think it's pretty lame.

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In my opinion it's not "selectively ignoring some things and not others," but ignoring all things that happen after a certain point. Personally, I'd rather not have an NS where people allow their accounts to be deleted everytime they're going to lose a war. Futhermore, if Frozopia wants to be so difficult, I have no difficulties in taking any "bad feelings" that might come from me ignoring the "future" of "his" version of Frozopia. I'm not going to start calling anyone names, and I don't care if someone calls me something.

That's declaring war for OOC reasons right there, which is no more n00bish than declaring war on the world or the UN.

Agreed.

Futhermore, all these people saying "if it goes back to war, i'm behind Frozopia" would be declaring war for OOC reasons as well, so they aren't allowed.

Agreed.

Futhermore, all these people saying "if it goes back to war, i'm behind Frozopia" would be declaring war for OOC reasons as well, so they aren't allowed.
I wouldnt. you're invading him. there could be problems with the whole CIN vs CIN thing again, but hey. and my OOC opinion of you has dropped out heavily, AFTER the start of this thread. i'll admit my first post here was a bit quick and un-thought-through, but since then i've looked it up, and I'm on frozopia's side.

[Poster's Note: I haven't read pages 2-3 (3-7 with default postcount), so I'm sorry if I repeat or say something irrelevant. I'm posting without reading in full because I don't have a lot of time]

From what I've read, I think the best thing to do is to negotiate a fair settlement. I think all sides are willing to move on and forget this ever happened. Ignoring could cause problems down the road if a new RP comes up that all parties want to get involved with. I think the best thing to do is to start from where they left off, or better yet, restart right at the beginning of hostilities.

From what I've read, I think the best thing to do is to negotiate a fair settlement. I think all sides are willing to move on and forget this ever happened. Ignoring could cause problems down the road if a new RP comes up that all parties want to get involved with. I think the best thing to do is to start from where they left off, or better yet, restart right at the beginning of hostilities.

I agree with you. As i've stated, i'm willing to do either one. I can ignore the whole thing or just pick up. It's Frozopia that's being difficult and won't allow things to happen. I, personally, feel that picking up is the BEST thing to do.

I wouldnt. you're invading him. there could be problems with the whole CIN vs CIN thing again, but hey. and my OOC opinion of you has dropped out heavily, AFTER the start of this thread. i'll admit my first post here was a bit quick and un-thought-through, but since then i've looked it up, and I'm on frozopia's side.

You were not involved in the original thread, which was a closed one, and thus shouldn't be in the new one unless everyone agrees. Closed threads are closed. And personally, I don't care what anyone thinks of me OOCly. I just know that i'm going to be waiting for anything like this to pop up in the future so I can expose people as hypocrites: Because I know everyone who has posted here wouldn't be able to just walk away from an invasion after it is 99% done.

Mckagan, what do you think about my idea?

If you get Frozopia to accept to it we'll talk. :)

I sent Frozopia/Topal a TG. Perhaps you could sent him one as well saying that you agree with my idea and would be willing to RP a second war over the fate of Frozopia.

If he accepts the story so far is preserved and the future of Frozopia will be decided in a way that is both fair and fun for everybody.

I have stated all I am stating. The ball is in his court. :)

You were not involved in the original thread, which was a closed one, and thus shouldn't be in the new one unless everyone agrees. Closed threads are closed. And personally, I don't care what anyone thinks of me OOCly. I just know that i'm going to be waiting for anything like this to pop up in the future so I can expose people as hypocrites: Because I know everyone who has posted here wouldn't be able to just walk away from an invasion after it is 99% done.
wrong. i have done so before. its annoying, but its life in freeform roleplay. ifyou dont like the lumps, dont play the game.
also, in what way is it fair to say that your invasion of someone is closed unless both sides say it should be. if frozopia wants others involved, thats up to him, and again, if you dont like it, dont play.

wrong. i have done so before. its annoying, but its life in freeform roleplay.
No_State_At_All, since you seem to have no morals when it comes to RPing wars you have no right to even demand and\or scold us. He who is without sin and all that. All your arguments have been proven to be from a nation that's a Hypocrite. So you have nothing to stand on.

wrong. i have done so before. its annoying, but its life in freeform roleplay. ifyou dont like the lumps, dont play the game.
also, in what way is it fair to say that your invasion of someone is closed unless both sides say it should be. if frozopia wants others involved, thats up to him, and again, if you dont like it, dont play.

The original thread was closed BY FROZOPIAN CONSENT. If you do not like that, deal with it; or, as you like to say, "Don't play." :)

The original thread was closed BY FROZOPIAN CONSENT. If you do not like that, deal with it; or, as you like to say, "Don't play." :)
if so, fair enough. i was saying that if he wanted others, he could have them. if he is still happy with a closed war, fair enough. and TLA, you just made the first person on my blacklist. have a nice day.

if so, fair enough. i was saying that if he wanted others, he could have them. if he is still happy with a closed war, fair enough. and TLA, you just made the first person on my blacklist. have a nice day.

I will have a good day, and you're on my BlackList now also.
Two can play at this game.
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Loser.

If it's THAT amazingly important to you, make up a new territory to replace Froz's nation in your occupation/invasion and let him have his backyard back.

That's your new population and the source for your development. Problem solved.

Blacklisting me won';t help at all, I'll just find an excuse for someone else to GET REVENGE! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAA!


*coughs*

With...respect of course....anyway.

I can't believe all the people who continue to say Frozopia or anyone for that matter is forced to RP if he doesn't want to RP. That's not how NationStates works. If he wants to ignore the RP for whatever reason, he's entitled to. Whether it's for a valid reason or not is one thing the rest of the RP community will decide.

To put it more bluntly: If Frozopia doesn't want to RP with you and doesn't want to resume the RP or start a brand new RP, too bad.

Just so you know, announcing that you're ignoring someone on a thread, especially with as much vitriol as I've seen here might be considered flaming by the moderators. And consider this: Your stance toward Frozopia for right or wrong might be looked down upon by other members of this roleplaying community.

You can tell when something is Escalating when Big Names are stating their positions, Sarz, AMF I wonder who will be next.

Novacom this is going to turn into something big.

Agreed. And it isn't exactly helping the situation with the pro-Frozopia (so to speak) side has thrown insults like "fecking n00bs" to Leafanistan and McKagan and The Lone Alliance, whom while they have made rp mistakes long ago, if not controversial methods (more McKagan/Leafanistan's ways and mistakes, TLA doesn't do much many controversial rp mistakes and methods), are not n00bs.

While I side with the SWC, I have to say this.

McKagan, you don't want your work convincing Sarzonia to deactivate his Idiot Godmodder Noncontinuity Omni Repellent Eradicator (I.G.N.O.R.E) on you and Leafanistan and TLA, I'd say you guys back down and let Frozopia have his way. Otherwise, Sarzonia might just reactive his I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon, and several other tier rpers also sic I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons on you as well.

Wow. Sorry I was unable to RP last night, but I have a very good reason. It is called Real life sleep. We gotta remember that some of us live in England here, and this argument went all night when I had school the next morning. I apologise for my absence anyways. Velkya you could hardly expect me to stay up all night, I dont know how getting a good nights sleep puts me in the wrong.


Now Amestria's proposition. Although It does sound good, TBH I have seen enough RPing with Mckagan etc to say enough is enough. I no longer want to continue an RP with them.

However everyone does not want to do a historical blank spot with "IGNORE" written in the space instead. And although I think this makes more sense considering I am extremely unhappy with the way the war ended, I am willing to compromise.

The war ended with Leafanistan and allies occupying Frozopia and executing my royal family.

Much later Frozopia recaptured the TLA and Red Tide sections.

Frozopia then paid reparations for the return of the other two quadrants. 2bn each?

Part of the deal was for continued Leafanistani Uranium mining.

Ok? Then we can put this whole thing behind us, and no-one has black listed anyone.

Sarzonia and AMF are in the right here, folks. If Frozopia's internet connection was busted for a while, and the allied nations actually RP'ed taking over his country and even turning his forces against him, that is godmodding and completely unacceptable.

Let's face it people, NS is free form RP. This was not Frozopia's fault, and it wasn't the alliances fault either. However, as it is Frozopia's country, he can do what he wants, including retconning the entire conflict. If he doesn't want to restart a conflict or start anew, it's his choice, not theirs.

Wow. Sorry I was unable to RP last night, but I have a very good reason. It is called Real life sleep. We gotta remember that some of us live in England here, and this argument went all night when I had school the next morning. I apologise for my absence anyways. Velkya you could hardly expect me to stay up all night, I dont know how getting a good nights sleep puts me in the wrong.


Now Amestria's proposition. Although It does sound good, TBH I have seen enough RPing with Mckagan etc to say enough is enough. I no longer want to continue an RP with them.

However everyone does not want to do a historical blank spot with "IGNORE" written in the space instead. And although I think this makes more sense considering I am extremely unhappy with the way the war ended, I am willing to compromise.

The war ended with Leafanistan and allies occupying Frozopia and executing my royal family.

Much later Frozopia recaptured the TLA and Red Tide sections.

Frozopia then paid reparations for the return of the other two quadrants. 2bn each?

Part of the deal was for continued Leafanistani Uranium mining.

Ok? Then we can put this whole thing behind us, and no-one has black listed anyone.

Sounds good to me.

there we go, all sorted out peacefully. end of thread, as long as McKagan, leaf, and RedTide agree...

I never reclaimed any of my land... so I am not involved in that RP. I dont have ANY idea where Frozopia got the idea that I was reclaiming my land.

Sorry I misread something. I should edit that.

And consider this: Your stance toward Frozopia for right or wrong might be looked down upon by other members of this roleplaying community.

Well fuck. People might not like me. :rolleyes:

Look. I want people here to be friendly towards me. But this isn't a popularity contest. That said, I am POSITIVE that if this thread hadn't started out with a massive rant from Frozopia that everyone took as fact; people would support our side. People here are gullible and go with the wind. It's bullshit: So fuck it.

Agreed. And it isn't exactly helping the situation with the pro-Frozopia (so to speak) side has thrown insults like "fecking n00bs" to Leafanistan and McKagan and The Lone Alliance, whom while they have made rp mistakes long ago, if not controversial methods (more McKagan/Leafanistan's ways and mistakes, TLA doesn't do much many controversial rp mistakes and methods), are not n00bs.

Right. I'm the one that has a big stain on his reputation because of this but some idiots are calling anyone who has a minor problem in an RP a noob. My personal stance is the first person who declares someone a noob or a "godmodder" (which has no place in this RP; and anyone who actualy knows what's going on will know) is the person who has the most to gain in terms of NS Maturity.

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No matter what we decide to do, some people are going to view me with less respect now. It's hypocritical bullshit from people who think they run the site, I know, but just to prove them wrong, I'm willing to accept your suggestion unconditionally.

Let me just say, I'm really upset at that status of I.I. after this incident. It shows how people are willing to turn on anyone based on who makes the thread and how it's presented. It's low, it's dumb, and it makes my respect for the combined IQ of the board drop alot. There are alot of people who probably think less of me now who I really respect and will for the rest of the time here, but all the people who called me, Leafanistan, or anyone else a noob... I'm at a loss of words for the stupidity of.

I think EVERYONE is taking this too far, calling eachother 'losers' and other such names. It's all very childish.

Look, the bottom line is this:

Any player can ignore anything for any reason. End of story.

If Frozopia chooses to ignore this once and for all, then everyone else should respect that and move on. It has nothing to do with who made the thread or how they presented their story. It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that NS is a free form environment, and therefore the individual player can decide how and with whom they play.

The Easiest way to settle this, is to have Frozopia have his nation returned to him, and the portions under control from other players, are given generic names and considered fictional nations for the sakes of Roleplaying, Mckagan and others get their cake, and so does frozopia, everyone is happy.

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People seem to be getting this impression that I know where Frozopia lives and i'm going to lay a Smackdown if he doesn't bow to my wishes! I said long ago that I had no problems with simply ignoring the RP or writing up a neutral "ending" for it; but everyone seems to have heard "You better give me your land or i'ma gonna fuck you up, noob!"

I stated directly above your post, I agree to what Frozopia said. The only minor point is that 2 billion USD is a little cheap for a huge chunk of land: But the NS Community has been so prickish in this it's not even fun to talk about anymore and I just want it to end.

Nice going, everyone. :rolleyes:

No matter what we decide to do, some people are going to view me with less respect now. It's hypocritical bullshit from people who think they run the site, I know, but just to prove them wrong, I'm willing to accept your suggestion unconditionally.

Let me just say, I'm really upset at that status of I.I. after this incident. It shows how people are willing to turn on anyone based on who makes the thread and how it's presented. It's low, it's dumb, and it makes my respect for the combined IQ of the board drop alot. There are alot of people who probably think less of me now who I really respect and will for the rest of the time here, but all the people who called me, Leafanistan, or anyone else a noob... I'm at a loss of words for the stupidity of.

With every move I make in II, some people like me more and some hate me more. However, that does not mean that I will stop or complain.

Yes it's dumb, but so was this argument in the first place. How in the name of the Forge, two Galactic Empires, and the freaking Terran Confederacy could Froz not be able to bring this up in an IM off-site? And why the endless hostility? Why are people not understanding that he can ignore WHATEVER IC stuff he wants to, and that others can in turn ignore him?

But the situation is done, and should be treated as such from now on. We're roleplayers, supposedly more civilized than the run-of-the-mill linebacker. I think people here should be able to be calm and act like nothing ever happened here and move on.

It's over now, I know, but this whole situation has been bad for me and I am NOT letting this bitch of information go.

People are yelling at me "Frozopia can ignore what he wants, ANYTHING he wants!", but telling me that I can't ignore Frozopia's RP's and development of the nation from a certain point on.

Score one for hypocrisy, everyone! :)

With every move I make in II, some people like me more and some hate me more. However, that does not mean that I will stop or complain.

Yes it's dumb, but so was this argument in the first place. How in the name of the Forge, two Galactic Empires, and the freaking Terran Confederacy could Froz not be able to bring this up in an IM off-site? And why the endless hostility? Why are people not understanding that he can ignore WHATEVER IC stuff he wants to, and that others can in turn ignore him?

But the situation is done, and should be treated as such from now on. We're roleplayers, supposedly more civilized than the run-of-the-mill linebacker. I think people here should be able to be calm and act like nothing ever happened here and move on.

ASIDE: I got 2 mentions in this post, and unknowingly I'm sure! I'm both the Terrans, AND a Lineman(close enough for Gov't work, which is the stock-in-trade of NS)!

I think we should really have this thread locked... It served all the purpose it's going to,m and has devolved into a pointless argument.

People seem to be getting this impression that I know where Frozopia lives and i'm going to lay a Smackdown if he doesn't bow to my wishes! I said long ago that I had no problems with simply ignoring the RP or writing up a neutral "ending" for it; but everyone seems to have heard "You better give me your land or i'ma gonna fuck you up, noob!"

I stated directly above your post, I agree to what Frozopia said. The only minor point is that 2 billion USD is a little cheap for a huge chunk of land: But the NS Community has been so prickish in this it's not even fun to talk about anymore and I just want it to end.

Nice going, everyone. :rolleyes:

You aren't the only one in this thread you know. :rolleyes:

My statement was applied to all, on both sides of the argument.

People are yelling at me "Frozopia can ignore what he wants, ANYTHING he wants!", but telling me that I can't ignore Frozopia's RP's and development of the nation from a certain point on.

Which is why I said ANY player can ignore anything for any reason. If you weren't so rash and defensive, you'd know what I was saying. There's no rule that says you can't ignore Frozopia, and anyone who says otherwise must not know how RP on NationStates works.

I agree that this thread should be locked. This is just hurting everyone's perception of everyone in the Frozopian War and it should be closed.

Which is why I said ANY player can ignore anything for any reason. If you weren't so rash and defensive, you'd know what I was saying. There's no rule that says you can't ignore Frozopia, and anyone who says otherwise must not know how RP on NationStates works.

I'd like to see you be calm when people you really like and respect are TG'ing you telling you they're ignoring you. :)

I'd like to see you be calm when people you really like and respect are TG'ing you telling you they're ignoring you. :)

I've been through MUCH worse on this site, trust me. If you're ever curious as to what happened, shoot me a TM sometime.

I've been through MUCH worse on this site, trust me. If you're ever curious as to what happened, shoot me a TM sometime.

We could probably share stories.

We could probably share stories.

Why aren't you banned yet? Crikey. :eek:

In my opinion OOC arguments should never be broadcast before the NS community if it can be helped, both sides should just sit down and hammer things out (especially over such easily resolved differences). It may take time, but its better then permanently poisoning the well with bad feelings.

I agree, sounds about right, but I didn't execute the king, I don't believe in that.

I cyrogenically froze him for 12,000 NS years. So its cool.

:)

Why aren't you banned yet? Crikey. :eek:

Why would I be banned?

Why would I be banned?

For being a general arse to everyone? You want the problem solved, you gotta play nice. :rolleyes:

For being a general arse to everyone? You want the problem solved, you gotta play nice. :rolleyes:

And you're totally helping everyone by continuing to insult me. Futhermore, you don't know what you're talking about, and really don't look cool by simply following the norm.

You're bullying a 14 year old and looking stupid while doing it.

Nice job. :)

And you're totally helping everyone by continuing to insult me. Futhermore, you don't know what you're talking about, and really don't look cool by simply following the norm.

You're bullying a 14 year old and looking stupid while doing it.

Nice job. :)

Furthermore, your response, McKagan, just made Pacitalia's claim almost verifiable.

This tread has served its purpose, if it had a purpose to begin with, so I am going to ask the mods to lock it.

Thank you Amestria.

Furthermore, your response, McKagan, just made Pacitalia's claim almost verifiable.

What the fuck and I SUPPOSED to do?

People are being dicks just to make me lash out! It's mean, lame, and fucking immature!

I had this exact same thing happen to me on another site: I came to NS to spend more time because I ended up reduced to a point of near tears by bullies on another site and it's happening here too!

I can't take this.

Anyone who wants to continue to be a dick can fuck off. I'm done with this thread.