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Dear Leaders of Mckagan and Leafanistan.

You are hereby invited to send representatives to a discussion upon the future of Frozopia. We will be talking about a potential unionship of all of the remaining states of Frozopia, and we hope you will take part. The discussion will take place in the Snow House within a couple of days. We look forward to meeting you.

President Roland of Frozopia


Roland sighed. Looking at the next file, he wondered about the future of Frozopia.

Secret Transmission to Roland

We are fully mobilised, and more than equipped to destroy the occupying forces. The enemy must pay for the scars they once inflicted on this great country.

Phillip

Official Diplomatic Channel

No.

[END]

Official Diplomatic Channel

The people love us, the local Parliament just shot down a similar resolution. We are sorry. We've recently fired another intern over the last message.

[END]

The Leafanistani - Red Frozopian DMZ was reinforced with yet another division increasing the size of the 1st Frozopian Army. The 2nd - 6th Frozopian Armies began integrating new Leafanistani weapons recently shipped in. The People's Guard numbering 2.7 million, was buying up Katana Corp. made bargain weapons.

Nearly 4 million men and women were ready to defend Leafanistani Frozopia at a moment's notice. And the declaration of martial law made the security even tighter. Many local Frozopians expressed discontent at 'Unionists' calling them 'splitters' and 'radical splinter group' with the local sentiment leaning toward the Leafanistani occupiers as the Leafanistani occupation gave immense benefits to the people including more free speech, and political rights, though the people were a bit confused when the Leafanistani occupational authority introduced Leafanistani economics. The new per capita of $25,000 per person versus the old $10,000 per capita made many Frozopians so happy they willingly called themselves Frozopian-Leafanistanis.

The Snow House was a loud place that day. Extremely loud. Roland was sick of listening to the whingings of the common people. Gone was the day when they just did what he said, no questions asked. Sitting slumped in his seat, he watched the 40 members of the counsil bleat. Yep. Now they sounded like sheep.

Finally something drifted through the small sound block Roland had made for himself.
"Perhaps the President would like to explain why he is inviting scum like the Mckagan and Leafanistan to meet us tomorow?"

Roland swore mentally. He had hoped to surprise the counsil and the audience, it always made passing proposals easier. Judging by the cunning look on Greckok's face, he knew this the commie bastard.

Forcing a smile on his face, Roland spoke:

"I am glad you brought that up Greckok, although I wish you would refrain from calling them scum. Mckagan and Leafanistan will be sending representatives to meet at the the Snow house so that we can discuss the unionship of Frozopia. Finally we have a chance to finish what we started. It will be a good day tomorow!"

The audience and counsil nodded and smiled. It would be a good day. But what scared Roland is when he looked at Greckok, he was smiling.......

"They wont even turn up?" Roland was speaking to himself, something he did when he was under stress.

"Bastards. Well war it is. God knows what I am going to tell the counsil. Hopefully Mckagan will send a representative, they have always been more sympathetic."

[Secured Satellite Transmission]

To: President Roland
From: McKagan State Department
Subject: Peace in Frozopia

Several things are to be discussed in Frozopia. For starters, you must stop your agressive footing against McKagan and Leafanistani positions. The only reason other areas were defended so heavily is because you constantly appear you are prepared to forcefully take back the nation while preaching you won't peace through diplomacy. This is your security deposit type situation. Move back in your positions and take a less hostile stance and we may consider sending a representative to discuss future policy in the nation.

OOC: You try taking that stance after the TG I recieved from Leafanistan. I have no peaceful chance of retaking his share through peace. BTW I no longer accept any invented weapons that consists of invented technology/rediculously expensive technology. I am strictly MT.

IC:

War

The Frozopian army moved. Immediatly Frozopian Divisions from all across the half that they controlled moved onto the boarder shared with the Leafanistani quadrant. At the same time on the Mckagan boarder, which was heavily mined and entrenched, soldiers prepared to defend what was rightfully theres. There would be no aggressive manouvers against the Mckagan forces, who Roland still hoped to persuade through peaceful means, but they would not be allowed to help Leafanistani forces.

At sea the Frozopian Navy passed around the coast line, pushing through the frozen waters. They would bombard the Leafanistani land forces with a barrage of Tomahawk missiles if they had too.


Transmission to World
We are forcefully removing the aggressive armies of Leafanistan from Frozopia. They have no right over the land will not give it up through peaceful means. So we must use war. Please be aware in no way are these activities aimed at any other nation. It is a strike at a regime that is well past the realms of illegal.

Roland.

[OOC: If you don't accept technology that is accpeted by every other MT nation on this game then we will not be able to RP and I will simply ignore any future chances of RP'ing with you again. There's no need to ignore something simply because it costs alot. It's better than having an F22 for 1300 USD.]

To: President Roland
From: McKagan State Department
Subject: Frozopia

Any hostile moves towards Leafanistan will result in an immediate declaration of war and the retaliation that comes with that declaration. Stand down now.

[McKagan Troop Movements]

Inside the McKagan zone, hundreds of attack helicopters are put on standby in their Forward Operating Bases. Armed to attack troops and stop any advance, they would be the tool of any McKagan defense. IMAF, soon after hearing the order, launches 50 KLA-27 Multi-Role Fighters to boost air patrols.

OOC: When I say expensive, I mean when someone has, say for example a lasar attached to a tank or something like that. Something that maybe under research or maybe the RL US army has one of (ok you can have one of, but not 1000's of them).

IC:

"As soon as the Mckagan air forces cross the boarder, blow them out of the sky."

Roland spoke quietly to the General on the phone, frowning slightly. He hated these military phones, they all ways felt chunky in your hands and made everything you say really loud.

"I've poured enough millions into that anti-air system. Don't let me down. You got enough missiles down their to blow up the whole of Britain, and the Mckagan airforce cant be that huge."

Finally Roland hung up. Irriatating bastard.

Although IMAF or the IMA Flight Wings aren't crossing the border yet, they may prepare to in the near future if it comes to protecting Leafanistan. Because of this, spy satellites begin to pinpoint every major AA location inside Frozopia. Sure, alot of smaller locations could be missed, but it wasn't as if they'd miss a major operating base or RADAR facility.

But how would IMAF destroy these targets? Well, that was up to the newest piece of technology in their military. The KLA-45 Tactical Bombing UCAV. An unmanned bombing aircraft that flew at Mach 15 at an altitude of something close to low Earth Orbit; it could drop Fuel Air Warheads into an area small enough to take most targets out. It's bombing system wasn't advanced enough to drop a JDAM or Bunker Buster type bomb from this altitude, but a fuel air warhead had such a wide range it would make enemy AA sitting ducks while being almost impossible to destroy.

A total of 50 of these planes are put on hot standby in IMAF Hangars across inner-Frozopia; and prepared for ground supression.

Those planes are exactly what Im talking about.

[OOC: Well then I guess i'm ignoring any future Frozopian RP. The US is on the verge of operating planes just like them and most NS nations are many times more advanced than the U.S. I made them so they have to use wide proximity bombs and everything that makes them unefficient. But hey, if you want to make everything so difficult: fine with me. Goodbye.]

[OOC: I've came to the conclusion that i'm just going to use KLA-27's loaded out for Ground Supression. But guess what? They're more stealthy than the UCAV, so now you'd be firing against maybe 1/4th of the actual wing. You can choose to accept that, or I'll choose to ignore any future attempts at liberating the rest of Frozopia.]

-Lone Alliance Council of Twenty-
"We ask for peace, we give them their land back, and prepare to prehaps have an eventual, profitable, alliance and they WHAT!" Said the head conservative chairman of the Council." "Yes, they are attacking the others." Came the reply. "We can't mobilize the forces we have in the base there, they'll just level it from a distance." Came the Militarist member, "No..." Said the last member Slavik, but we do have other means to fight."

Those planes are exactly what Im talking about.

OOC: Not actually taking part in this RP, but having read it, I can tell you that UCAVs are the US Armed Forces answer to heavily defended Anti Air sites. Though I dont think they can go at mach 15.

Link

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ucav.htm

OOC: Not actually taking part in this RP, but having read it, I can tell you that UCAVs are the US Armed Forces answer to heavily defended Anti Air sites. Though I dont think they can go at mach 15.

Link

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ucav.htm

[OOC: Mine is the NS-ified version. Most planes in NS fly a little higher than most RL planes, and it's easier to go at faster speeds at higher altitudes. I think my plane is pretty well balanced. It's not like i'm making it drop JDAM's in someones front door. I've made its weapons system inaccurate, so I have to use fuel-air warheads that take out a large area.]

[OOC: Ok, this is my final ruling on the subject: Frozopia started this little incident, this RP, and this thread. If he wants to RP as attacking McKagan, he has to accept what assets McKagan has. Given that, he will either accept the IMAF UCAV's; or i'll blacklist him and any future RP's he has surrounding Frozopia.]

OOC: I'm just giving an example. TGed you, btw.

OOC: You try taking that stance after the TG I recieved from Leafanistan. I have no peaceful chance of retaking his share through peace. BTW I no longer accept any invented weapons that consists of invented technology/rediculously expensive technology. I am strictly MT.

IC:

War

The Frozopian army moved. Immediatly Frozopian Divisions from all across the half that they controlled moved onto the boarder shared with the Leafanistani quadrant. At the same time on the Mckagan boarder, which was heavily mined and entrenched, soldiers prepared to defend what was rightfully theres. There would be no aggressive manouvers against the Mckagan forces, who Roland still hoped to persuade through peaceful means, but they would not be allowed to help Leafanistani forces.

At sea the Frozopian Navy passed around the coast line, pushing through the frozen waters. They would bombard the Leafanistani land forces with a barrage of Tomahawk missiles if they had too.

OOC: Closed RP??

I'm assuming you haven't crossed the line yet, and if you do, be prepared to cross the 4 km wide DMZ that has 4 2 metre deep, 10 metre's wide anti-tank trench filled with mines, tank traps (those steel i-beams welded into a star), dragon's teeth (concrete pillars sunken into the ground), more mines, barbed wire and snipers and only one usable, one lane road which was raised 2 metres above the ground around it. I've been reinforcing that area with the full 7 divisions of the 1st Army. 2 Heavy Artillery Divisions included.

The navy isn't too bad either, for your strict MT standards I'm using F-35 JSFs, MI-24 Hinds, and Ka-52 Alligators launched from my light carriers and NATF-22s (Naval variant of F-22 with swing wing) from my 2 Nimitz stationed in Frozopia. I also have a Superdreadnought Fleet with 2 supporting Battleship Fleets. That means 6 fleets of ships and a continually reinforcing coastline. Fun fun fun!

IC:

Local FleetCOM sent a call for immediate reinforcement to its naval forces, including a Dreadnought Group and more submarines to supplant its existing forces. It also forwarded a message from the local Joint Commanders for another 5 divisions and shipment of AK-104s for local People's Guard. They would be answered quickly and the Dreadnought Group protecting the armed freighters would proceed immediately.

The Joint Commanders contacted McKagan forces and Lone Alliance forces thanking them for their help and gave them the appropriate documentation to allow their planes safe landing in Leafanistani airfields.

The Joint Commanders never met face to face before and that wasn't going to change, they couldn't risk it. Over phone they discussed the plans.

"We have to strike first, with your first army defending the only usuable road, and my second army taking the southern half of the border we can pound them to nothingness."

"While we may have over 4 million men to call upon I don't want to fire the first shot."

"And this isn't our only concern, their naval forces are close, and the Superdreadnaught Unflinching Eye with her support groups can easily hit them first. Our Red Tidean cruise missiles outrange them though they are more expensive."

"Money will be the least of our concerns as we are hanged in Red Frozopian gallows, I agree with my eastern counterpart that we make a first strike on their naval and ground forces. Our missiles can hit them and our total ship numbers are very high."

"The Logistics man!"

"There is no price on our citizen's lives here!"

"Right, we must focus on what to do, Red Tidean made air defenses will perform admirably, along with our upgraded Soviet Confed equipment and Soviet Bloc vehicles we'll crush them. Our artillery can strike them beyond the DMZ and the DMZ itself will slow them down significantly, the one road is easily bombarded into nothingness, making them have to cross the 4km of pure hell that we built."

"And their navy won't fare too well either, we have 3 MASER ships protecting each "super" ship and they are supported by nearly 200 more ships."

"Alright then, it is agreed we launch a preemptive strike, their moves are too aggressive and they have already declared war on us, no point in sitting around like stupid gits."

"Call up the People's Guard, I want all of them suited up by tomorrow morning and doing rifle drills."

Leafanistani - Red Frozopian DMZ, 3 AM

The massive 250mm Artillery Guns groaned to life and fixed their targets; the only road going through the DMZ. All 10 of them opened fire at once and their shell's velocity was so great they had landed and exploded by the time the sound reached the Frozopian troops, cutting the road at 10 seperate points with massive 10 metre deep craters streching 20 metres across. They then began the 10 second long reloading process and fired again at Frozpian positions. However, by the time the Frozopian troops heard those massive shells landing, other smaller shells had started falling on their positions.

240mm and 300mm Rockets had lifted off and were soaring toward the Frozopian positions. The mobile and fixed artillery opened fire, sending 175mm , 155mm, and 105mm shells and mortars across the massive DMZ. Troops were wide awake and were holding position at the trenchs just 20 metres from the final Grancrete wall obscuring the DMZ. Propaganda towers reinforced the one million man line of regulars and 300,000 line of militia men at the highways by shouting slogans "For the motherland, protect your homes." "Not one step backwards, we shall drive out the invaders."...ad nauseam. Air defenses were fully active and already an errant bird was destroyed by a 88mm SmartFLAK shell.

45 Predator UCAVs with 2 Hellfire Missiles and 62 Iridium UCAVs with a 5.56 mm Minigun and 2 50mm rocket pods took off toward the enemy emplacements.

At the same time, Seawolf-class Submarines had fired their Red Tidean built cruise missiles, they rushed toward the Frozopian navy, outranging their Tomahawk missiles. The combined 3 fleets, a Battleship Group, a Nimitz Fleet, and half the submarine fleet rushed toward the enemy ships. The massive 18" guns of the GCS Active and Ready and the GCS Shining Jewel opened fire sending their shells roaring toward enemy ships. NATF-22s had taken to the skies around the Nimitz securing the airspace while Ka-52s prepared for anti-submarine action. JSFs took to the skies with anti-shipping missiles and flew past the sound barrier to engage enemy ships. They were protected by a few NATF-22s. Hundreds of missiles and 12 shells were now in the air flying toward the enemy fleet followed by airplanes and more shells as support ships reload.

Nimitz Fleet

1 Nimitz Supercarrier
3 Indomintable Light Carriers
3 MASER cruisers
6 Trignometry-class cruisers
6 Los Angeles class Submarines
4 Seawolf class Submarines
15 Charlie-class Destroyers
20 North-sea class Frigates
12 Dietz-class Hydrofoils
(Not strictly military)
20 Supply-class

Battleship Group

2 Honda class Battleships
3 Indomintable Light Carriers
7 Trignometry-class Cruisers
2 Geometry-class Cruisers
4 Los Angeles-class Submarines
4 Virginia-class Submarines
12 Charlie-class Destroyers
22 North-sea class Frigates
18 Supply-class

Alpha Submarine Group

6 Los Angeles-class Submarines
6 Virginia-class Submarines
4 Seawolf-class Submarines
12 Improved Kilo class Submarines

Strategic Missiles lifted off from Saharistani-based missile trains toward major government buildings in Red Frozopia, and major airfields and bases.

In the meantime millions of men and women left their homes and went to local bases to do gun drills for the People's Guard.

Official Message to the World

Once again the oppressive dictatorship of Frozopia has struck us, we must do what we can to protect our citizens, the children of High Father. The strength of the people and the strength of democratic socialism will propell us to victory. We will not stand an incursion upon our homeland.

To:All involved countries
From:Cirteo Military ABHQ

The Verusan Alliance has made legislation that member nations must give medical aid when an overly violent conflict is imminent. In accordance with this legislation, we will send the 67th airborne brigade, 5th marine division (5,000 strong) to aid in the evacuation of all civilian refugees to Cirteo for the duration of the conflict, if necessary. We are also posting Air Group 9 on the west coast of Cirteo to deal with any possible stray missiles or aircraft. Please note that this is not an act of hostility. Please reply soon if you accept our aid. We will not deploy troops to any zone unless you accept.

(Please don't be mad at me if this was a personal thing, it's just that I'm really getting bored with the regional wars)

[OOC: Could we pause this RP for the time being? I want to know how Frozopia is going to accept my UCAV's before I start attacking.]

btw, although UCAVs have an advantage in being less bulky and lighter, they are not as fast or maneuverable as manned fighters. It would take about 4 UCAVs to destroy an F-22, 2 to destroy an F-5. They are more suited for things like ground attack, and are considered expendable.

btw, although UCAVs have an advantage in being less bulky and lighter, they are not as fast or maneuverable as manned fighters. It would take about 4 UCAVs to destroy an F-22, 2 to destroy an F-5. They are more suited for things like ground attack, and are considered expendable.

[OOC: I'd have to argue with you about the speed thing. Most planes in RL could go alot faster, accept pilots can't take that kind of speed. I see what you're talking about with maneurverablility, because the computer would have a delayed reaction, probably. However, I'm USING them for ground attack; and they're flying so high it increases the speed. If they were flying at a more "normal" altitude, they'd be slow.]

[OOC: I'd have to argue with you about the speed thing. Most planes in RL could go alot faster, accept pilots can't take that kind of speed. I see what you're talking about with maneurverablility, because the computer would have a delayed reaction, probably. However, I'm USING them for ground attack; and they're flying so high it increases the speed. If they were flying at a more "normal" altitude, they'd be slow.]

OOC: Keyword ground attack, do we need an OOC thread? Just make your UCAVs nearly sitting ducks for their fighters and I suppose Frozopia will accept them more readily, and slow them down for more realistic speeds and lower altitude. There is NS-ified and HOLY SNAP-ified. Lets find that line and sit there. My attack is a preemptive strike, much like Israel's preemptive strike on Egypt, I want to quickly crush the Frozopian forces so they no longer pose a threat to me. Though I don't plan to pursue unless we have our allies behind us.

OOC: Keyword ground attack, do we need an OOC thread? Just make your UCAVs nearly sitting ducks for their fighters and I suppose Frozopia will accept them more readily, and slow them down for more realistic speeds and lower altitude. There is NS-ified and HOLY SNAP-ified. Lets find that line and sit there. My attack is a preemptive strike, much like Israel's preemptive strike on Egypt, I want to quickly crush the Frozopian forces so they no longer pose a threat to me. Though I don't plan to pursue unless we have our allies behind us.

[OOC: What i'll do is have them fly at a more "normal" speed that is still a bit faster than anything else, but also at a lower altitude. Because they're at a lower altitude, they'll have more precise targeting. :)]

OOC: Ya'know Frozopia, ya should've accepted Yallak's help. He has good technologies (he's strictly late MT like I am), and it can actually benefit you.

Major-General Robert Shelby, commander of the Aequatian 5th Airborne Division who was deployed to Red Frozopia during the withdrawal of Red Tide forces, was walking along the tarmac of the makeshift base of operations that the troops had called their home during their time in former Red Frozopia when one of his staff officers ran over to him with a report in hand, "Sir, we have word that the Frozopians have launched an offensive against the Mckagan sector and have riled up the Leafanistanis so much they're prepared to move against the Frozies."

"Dear God, they're not going to let us fly our people out of here," said the general as he paused to think in front of a camouflaged AH-16 attack helicopter, "I want you to recall our forces to the base, we need to consolidate the division and prepare to fight our way out of this country."

"Yes Sir, I'll get right on that!" said the young major as he gave a quick salute and moved off in double time to the communications tent.

-----

Captain Bowles was sitting in the passenger seat of his new humvee when the call came to return to base, his company had been stationed in a small town and his troops had become quite friendly with the locals. He stepped out of the vehicle and walked over to a group of soldiers that were talking with a few women and children, "Any of you seen Sergeant Knox?"

One of the paratroopers pointed with his cigarette over at an abandoned building that was being used as a small barracks/field mess before speaking, "I believe he just got back with a patrol and is in chow, Sir."

Bowles nodded before turning off towards the building and as he approached the doorway, the sergeant exited and paused after seeing the captain's expression, "What is it, Sir?"

"We're being called back to base, Frozopia's moved to attack Mckagan and we're stuck here," said Bowles as he walked with Knox towards the grouping of humvees, "Things are royally fucked and our people are stuck in the middle. Command talked about how it's likely that our planes would be shot down trying to extract us, so we need to hold the central base until this blows over and we can leave this hellhole."

"All right, I'll gather the rest of the company up and we'll be ready to move on your command," said the sergeant as he unslung his rifle and opened the door for Bowles, "I should have everyone back here for 1400 hours."

"Good, just get it done," replied the captain as he saluted and watched Knox leave with a squad of soldiers, "God I hope we get back okay."

OOC: Kind of a "Remember I'm still here" post as my troops are still located within Red Frozopia and are not to fight alongside Frozopian forces.

OOC:
Bah I give up. This RP is not going how I hoped it would, instead I am being overtechified. I have given up on MT completely for the moment, but should I RP in future It will be with 100% of Frozopia united. Dont like it? Tough. You should never have claimed Frozopia when I was unable to RP a response. It would be a good thing now If you handed it back to me Icily, but If you dont, oh well.

IC:

"Pull of attack." Roland spoke.

"What?"
Phillip couldnt believe this. This was a chance to reunite Frozopia, but instead Roland was backing out.

"I have changed my mind."

"CHANGED YOUR MIND!? YOU CANT CHANGE YOUR MIND!" Roared Phillip.

"Be silent Roland. I am the President remember, not you. I did not expect the Mckagan forces to stand up for the Leafanistan forces. We cannot succeed."

Phillip was struggling to control his rage.

"You cant do this....."

"I can and I have. Call of the attack."

"Yes.....sir."


To Leafanistan and Mckagan forces:
It may have occured to you Frozopia forces recently mobilised. It was an counter move against Communist forces within our side of Frozopia. Those Communist forces have now been crushed.

Roland

OOC:
Bah I give up. This RP is not going how I hoped it would, instead I am being overtechified. I have given up on MT completely for the moment, but should I RP in future It will be with 100% of Frozopia united. Dont like it? Tough. Its damn crap like those UCAV's or whatever they are called that has killed MT.
OOC: NS "modern tech" lasts from the 1990s to 2010/2020, depends and varies on the rp'er. Personally, I'd say that UCAVs (which stand for 'Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle' FYI) are mid-to-late modern tech.

OOC: Ya see I call MT 2006. Buts just me.

Well, then you better be flexible, as calling 1990-2006 weaponry as MT will put you at a severe disadvantage on NS.

[OOC: I'm officially blacklisting the Frozopian player. Frozopia will remain a McKagan province as far as i'm concerned. The Lone Alliance and Red Tide could declare they're holding it too. Frozopia will continue to be a part of McKagan Strategic Readiness, as well. Just because you got beat last time and decided to run away instead of RP'ing doesn't give you the right to ruin months of RP'ing; and just because you don't have much to take it back with and aren't tactically intelligent enough to effectively use what you DO have doesn't mean you win. Ignored.]

Oh dont make me laugh. Firstly Red Tide and TLA gave back there share. Secondly I did not run away. How the hell could I RP a defence when my internet is brocken Mckagan? You were God modding or whatever its called, but you broke the rules. You seized my land when I couldnt RP, YOU are in the wrong here, not me.

Go Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10366108#post10366108)

Oh dont make me laugh. Firstly Red Tide and TLA gave back there share. Secondly I did not run away. How the hell could I RP a defence when my internet is brocken Mckagan? You were God modding or whatever its called, but you broke the rules. You seized my land when I couldnt RP, YOU are in the wrong here, not me.

Go Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10366108#post10366108)

Like I said, when you disappeared I supposed you pulled a Saharistan and abandoned it to reappear and forget about us for a while. Its happened to us SWC nations before, so we assumed the worst. I was disappointed after 2 months to see you gone and the RP I've been wanting to finish died. We can always restart.

Lets do the Time Warp again!

Like I said, when you disappeared I supposed you pulled a Saharistan and abandoned it to reappear and forget about us for a while. Its happened to us SWC nations before, so we assumed the worst. I was disappointed after 2 months to see you gone and the RP I've been wanting to finish died. We can always restart.

Lets do the Time Warp again!

That's exactly my feeling. We put alot of work into the original RP, it time of major development for my military, and eventually helped mold the IMAF into what it is today. I didn't want to see all that go to waste, so we had to kind of put a "cap" on it some way just to make it stick. It's not like I knew Frozopia would be coming back in a few months.

Oh dont make me laugh. Firstly Red Tide and TLA gave back there share. Secondly I did not run away. How the hell could I RP a defence when my internet is brocken Mckagan? You were God modding or whatever its called, but you broke the rules. You seized my land when I couldnt RP, YOU are in the wrong here, not me.


My only comment is that I find it HIGHLY conveinent that your internet broke 24 hours after we started an invasion and you'd have seemingly no trouble posting for about a month.

Because I don't like backward RP'ing (it makes it hard for me to know exactly what stage of development my military had and the like,) why don't we just do a thing where Topal tries to liberate Frozopia? That means the player posts on ONE account (Topal) and it's all fair.

I just suggest it's closed to all but a few people. I don't want to have this recent bad press cause an influx of biased retards.

Because I don't like backward RP'ing (it makes it hard for me to know exactly what stage of development my military had and the like,) why don't we just do a thing where Topal tries to liberate Frozopia? That means the player posts on ONE account (Topal) and it's all fair.

I just suggest it's closed to all but a few people. I don't want to have this recent bad press cause an influx of biased retards.

OOC: I don't see a problem with backward RPing, fluid time anybody?

Lets just go back to I've lost a Nimitz fleet to a nuke,

Imminent invasion and a Superdreadnought force is on its way.

OOC: Here is a suggestion (Mckagan is right, backward RPing in this case is not a good idea, it would be retroconing all the events that have happened since, a fair number), perhaps instead a carefully planned war RP should be set up.

Here is how it would go:

1) Topal and Liberated Frozopia sit down and make plans for reunification.

2) Topal/1/2 of Frozopia upgrade their weapondry (no more complainst over one side constantly having better tech).

3) Topal be allowed to RP 1/2 of Frozopia and Mckagan/Leaf be allowed to RP the other half (that way the Frozopian stats are not an unfair advantage).

4) A careful list of allies for both sides be made (equal numbers) and the RP will be closed.

5) The second Frozopian war will determine the final status of Frozopia and what happens to Topal.

Any thoughts?

OOC: I need to get it out of my system.

I'm Getting so sick of the pop up script messing up on this page!

http://206.222.26.90/images/2redo.html
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