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A pretty young foxette newscaster stood infront of the government building in Feluca City, where in the backround thousands of supportors stood chanting and waving "NO NUKES!" signs.

"This is Cassandra Clemmings coming to you live from the Parliment House where a bill has been passed into law that New Feluca will not be developing nuclear weapons. For years New Feluca has relied in part on nuclear energy, but bold pushes by nuclear weapons activists sparked recent contraversy about the development of weapons of mass destruction.

"While the New Felucan Military does not currently employ weapons of mass destruction of any type, this bill will garuntee that no such weaponry may be developed for the purpose of warfare. Provisions have been made for the limited study of nuclear weaponry and even testing to determine results, prevention and effect but nuclear arms will not be employed for military use.

"With the signing of the law by Prime Minister Cyan, spontanious support has broken out throughout the country and thousands have marched on the Parliment House to applaud this measure. It is expected that the crowd will triple in the next few hours as citizens stream into Feluca City in celebration. Police are on-hand to prevent any violent celebration. This has been Cassandra Clemmings with Wolf Broadcasting."

The Union of Usean Soviet States endorses your actions,and with help,spead these ideas to the world.

Good Job, We also saw nukes as no good. We decided peace, is where nuclear technology be, not on a missile.

OOC: Bold move in a nuclear super power bully world here...

To: The government of New Feluca
From: The Imperial Foreign Affairs and Communications Office (IFACO)

It is with great regards tht I, Kruschev Alexandrov, Minister of the IFACO, am able to grant you the Emperor's warmest of greetings.

However, we do know you have taken a decision to become a Non-Nuclear nation. As a Nuclear Armed nation ourselves, we cannot thathom the motives of such a movement in a world dominated by nations armed with nuclear weaponry, and with only the fear of similar weapons retalliating on them keeping them in check.

But, understandably, we still respect your choice as a sovereign nation. To ensure that if any Nuclear Armed nation might threaten you with such powerfull WMDs, we are willing to both enter a possible military Mutual Defense pact, in that we will place a portion of our Nuclear arsenal on the mission of both dettering Nations from threatning use of said weapons on your nation, as well as for pre-emptive and post-emptive strikes on any said aggressor nations, but ONLY with your express permission. We will NOT, however, be encouraging you to develope nuclear arms against your decision.

If these will not be acceptable, then we offer the possibility of joint research into Anti-Ballistic Missile systems, and other Nuclear Defense programs of research. NBC suits and drills are good, but nothing can be a safer defense than destroying a hostile projectile before it can harm your people, or your nation's soil.

We eagerly await to hear a reply.

From, the Minister of IFACO, Kruschev Alexandrov

The New Felucan government appreciates the setiments of Brydog and Usea-Jason.

In reply to The Imperial Foreign Affairs and Communications Office,

"We have been a non-nuclear weapons nation since our founding. This law passed simply allows for no loopholes for the military development of weapons of mass destruction. During our war of liberation, thousands of our people died, gased on the battlefield. We have experienced the horrors of weapons of mass destruction, and we have no desire to see it happen to even an enemy in a time of war.

"With your offer of placing WMDs in our country, we absolutely cannot abide by it. No nuclear weapons means precisely that. We will not allow the stockpiling of nuclear weapons in our country.

"For anti-ballistic systems, it is no secret that our military is currently developing very long-ranged, anti-ballistic missile capabilities for use against WMD threats. As it seems a joint venture is only in the cards should we allow you to station WMDs within our borders, we strongly encourage you to discard your nuclear devices and join us in securing a safer future for our children."

The New Felucan government appreciates the setiments of Brydog and Usea-Jason.

In reply to The Imperial Foreign Affairs and Communications Office,

"We have been a non-nuclear weapons nation since our founding. This law passed simply allows for no loopholes for the military development of weapons of mass destruction. During our war of liberation, thousands of our people died, gased on the battlefield. We have experienced the horrors of weapons of mass destruction, and we have no desire to see it happen to even an enemy in a time of war.

"With your offer of placing WMDs in our country, we absolutely cannot abide by it. No nuclear weapons means precisely that. We will not allow the stockpiling of nuclear weapons in our country.

"For anti-ballistic systems, it is no secret that our military is currently developing very long-ranged, anti-ballistic missile capabilities for use against WMD threats. As it seems a joint venture is only in the cards should we allow you to station WMDs within our borders, we strongly encourage you to discard your nuclear devices and join us in securing a safer future for our children."

Of course, we understand your wishes to end Nuclear Proliferation. And under NO circumstances would we be placing nuclear arms WITHIN your Nation. We were merely suggesting that we hold back some of our stocks in your defense from our OWN launch silos and nuclear armed vessels.

As for the offer of giving up our nuclear arms, under current circumstances (Possible war with a group of nations as heavily, if not more heavily, armed with WMD) we cannot agree to giving up the only means of securing safety from strategic or mass attack of WMDs on our nation. Under more peacefull circumstances, and with the completetion of more than adequet (sp?) Anti-WMD defenses would we consider taking such a bold move. But as always, we will respect and support your nations Anti-Nuclear stance.

Well Usea-Jason has spent years perfecting out anti Missle and anti WMD tech

"Sir?"

"Yes Corporal?"

"The Xeno are a 'no nuke' nation Sir"

"Really? Good stuff, put them on the easier nations to occupy list for when the time comes"

"Very good Sir"

Of course, we understand your wishes to end Nuclear Proliferation. And under NO circumstances would we be placing nuclear arms WITHIN your Nation. We were merely suggesting that we hold back some of our stocks in your defense from our OWN launch silos and nuclear armed vessels.

As for the offer of giving up our nuclear arms, under current circumstances (Possible war with a group of nations as heavily, if not more heavily, armed with WMD) we cannot agree to giving up the only means of securing safety from strategic or mass attack of WMDs on our nation. Under more peacefull circumstances, and with the completetion of more than adequet (sp?) Anti-WMD defenses would we consider taking such a bold move. But as always, we will respect and support your nations Anti-Nuclear stance.

Reply,

"While we cannot control the actions of your nation, we urge you not to launch nuclear or WMD arms in any precieved defense of our country. We are not at war with anyone, nor do we intend to be in the foreseeable future. We would feel better knowing that no one is going to be launching nuclear weapons in our name or for our cause."

Reply,

"While we cannot control the actions of your nation, we urge you not to launch nuclear or WMD arms in any precieved defense of our country. We are not at war with anyone, nor do we intend to be in the foreseeable future. We would feel better knowing that no one is going to be launching nuclear weapons in our name or for our cause."

Of course, in NO circumstances would we use them in the name of your nation without your express permission. We're just worried about the fact you appear to not have a fully operational anti WMD and Anti-Ballistic Missile system capable of coping with the amount of firepower that many nations could direct at you. To be honest, without one of these defenses in place, going anti-WMD sometimes gives the apperance of weakness to larger nations, would would chaff at the bit to invade you with nuclear armed warfleets. We just don't want to see that happen.

However, we would be willing to negotiate a deal that should you choose agree to a Mutual Defence pact. We will be willing to reduce our Silo Nuclear weaponry by 25%, and to reduce the number of Nuclear Armed vessels in our navy by 10%. In the event you choose to accept our offer of joint research into Anti Ballistic and Anti WMD projects, and suitable defences are built up in both our nations to cope with a reasonably large scale nuclear attack, we will decrease our Nuclear arsenals by 25% in total each year untill all nuclear weaponry is out of MelekTaus.

Message from Estovakian Government

Although our nation is seeing an increase in nuclear funding, we do applaud your country's noble ventures. We do urge however, for the good of your country's sake, to also fund research for the defense against biological attacks, perhaps the most dangerous since any signs usually occur days after the attack in which case the attacker may have moved to spread the virus to various other persons.

Defense of one's nation is the number one job of any nation, and such steps as the one your government has taken show that the government is protecting the previleges of the people and has the people in mind, not aggressive measures.

Of course, in NO circumstances would we use them in the name of your nation without your express permission. We're just worried about the fact you appear to not have a fully operational anti WMD and Anti-Ballistic Missile system capable of coping with the amount of firepower that many nations could direct at you. To be honest, without one of these defenses in place, going anti-WMD sometimes gives the apperance of weakness to larger nations, would would chaff at the bit to invade you with nuclear armed warfleets. We just don't want to see that happen.

However, we would be willing to negotiate a deal that should you choose agree to a Mutual Defence pact. We will be willing to reduce our Silo Nuclear weaponry by 25%, and to reduce the number of Nuclear Armed vessels in our navy by 10%. In the event you choose to accept our offer of joint research into Anti Ballistic and Anti WMD projects, and suitable defences are built up in both our nations to cope with a reasonably large scale nuclear attack, we will decrease our Nuclear arsenals by 25% in total each year untill all nuclear weaponry is out of MelekTaus.

Reply,

"At the moment, we have anti-missile SAMs but nothing specificly designed to deal with ICBMs. Current anti-ICBM strategy involves launching large amounts of SAMs to tear apart the missile on approach.

"We could certainly develop a joint anti-ballistic defense system. We devote a large portion of government income to defense spending, money is really not an object. We'll send you some basic information on the system we've been working on."

Reply,

"At the moment, we have anti-missile SAMs but nothing specificly designed to deal with ICBMs. Current anti-ICBM strategy involves launching large amounts of SAMs to tear apart the missile on approach.

"We could certainly develop a joint anti-ballistic defense system. We devote a large portion of government income to defense spending, money is really not an object. We'll send you some basic information on the system we've been working on."

That certainatly would be agreeable. And we too devote large funds to defense spending, aprox. $6 trillion according to NSEconomy at this space of time. We hope to have further research into Anti-ICBM projects.

That certainatly would be agreeable. And we too devote large funds to defense spending, aprox. $6 trillion according to NSEconomy at this space of time. We hope to have further research into Anti-ICBM projects.

OOC: My total GDP isn't that high. >_>

IC:

"Primarily, we want a long-range, fast-intercept SAM system for engaging ICBMs. Preferably, a full-spectrum tracking system for targeting."

OOC: My total GDP isn't that high. >_>

IC:

"Primarily, we want a long-range, fast-intercept SAM system for engaging ICBMs. Preferably, a full-spectrum tracking system for targeting."

Hmm, doesn't sound TOO difficult a job, if we can use a satellite system to scan for the blast signals of ICBMs in Phase 1 launch. Using this relayed information, and satellite trarckin using full spectrum systems, we could direct a SAM system. It'll have to be possibly some kind of conventional small ICBM projectile to go long range into orbital height to take out the hostile target before it can deploy it multiple warheads, as most nuclear ICBMs have.

Hmm, doesn't sound TOO difficult a job, if we can use a satellite system to scan for the blast signals of ICBMs in Phase 1 launch. Using this relayed information, and satellite trarckin using full spectrum systems, we could direct a SAM system. It'll have to be possibly some kind of conventional small ICBM projectile to go long range into orbital height to take out the hostile target before it can deploy it multiple warheads, as most nuclear ICBMs have.

Reply,

"That is an excellent proposal. We fully support satellite tracking, but an additional ground tracking once a launch bloom has been detected would also be excellent. Our initial plans were for a 2-stage conventional IRBM to intercept inbound threats at long range and extreme height. Even minor blast/shrapnel damage to an ICBM would rip it apart due to the extreme speeds of the rocket."

Reply,

"That is an excellent proposal. We fully support satellite tracking, but an additional ground tracking once a launch bloom has been detected would also be excellent. Our initial plans were for a 2-stage conventional IRBM to intercept inbound threats at long range and extreme height. Even minor blast/shrapnel damage to an ICBM would rip it apart due to the extreme speeds of the rocket."

A combined Satellite/Ground tracking station would be good. Satellite tracking could detect the launch, and with the combined information with ground and satellite data, predict an estimated landing area for some, if not all, the warheads. And indeed, minor damage would be enough to cripple an ICBM, but I stick by the idea of using either silo, or patrolling ballistic submarines to use specially designed small ICBMs to target the projectile while it is still in phase 2, or below, launch, at orbital heights. I'm not certain IRBMs can reach those heights in time. At Phase 3, it seperates the warheads out, making it ALOT harder to prevent a nuclear strike.

Reply,

"We agree with the theory. Multiple stage rockets specificly designed for targeting inbound ICBMs. Satellite detection and tracking, with ground tracking and guidance working together. That way, should either system, ground or satellite fail, one will back up the other."

Reply,

"We agree with the theory. Multiple stage rockets specificly designed for targeting inbound ICBMs. Satellite detection and tracking, with ground tracking and guidance working together. That way, should either system, ground or satellite fail, one will back up the other."

Absolutely, and should the worst happen and both systems fail, as a last resort, saturation of the air with flak/SAMs may help around key areas of importance. Of course, even if we develop and set up this system, we should ensure all areas of importance have nuclear bunkers, and all people of importance and Public Services hace NBC Attack training, to assist in the worse case scenario. We could send experianced soldiers and scientists in this field to your nation to assist in any training if it is deemed required.

A pretty young foxette newscaster stood infront of the government building in Feluca City, where in the backround thousands of supportors stood chanting and waving "NO NUKES!" signs.

"This is Cassandra Clemmings coming to you live from the Parliment House where a bill has been passed into law that New Feluca will not be developing nuclear weapons. For years New Feluca has relied in part on nuclear energy, but bold pushes by nuclear weapons activists sparked recent contraversy about the development of weapons of mass destruction.

"While the New Felucan Military does not currently employ weapons of mass destruction of any type, this bill will garuntee that no such weaponry may be developed for the purpose of warfare. Provisions have been made for the limited study of nuclear weaponry and even testing to determine results, prevention and effect but nuclear arms will not be employed for military use.

"With the signing of the law by Prime Minister Cyan, spontanious support has broken out throughout the country and thousands have marched on the Parliment House to applaud this measure. It is expected that the crowd will triple in the next few hours as citizens stream into Feluca City in celebration. Police are on-hand to prevent any violent celebration. This has been Cassandra Clemmings with Wolf Broadcasting."

The anthro-fox nation of Cavask sends mixed feelings toward this decision. Though we are a relatively new nation, almost twenty-five percent of our heavy industry is devoted to the production and transportation of materials required to build these weapons. While our stance on Nuclear war remains a firm "no", and we are solidly behind your resolution to ban nuclear weapons, our economy will suffer greatly.

We currenly do not posses nuclear weapons, only the technology to make them. Therefore, it is essential that, if this resolution is to go through, we hope your nation and its neighboring states will determine how you will maintain trade with us, either by decreasing tariff or supplying us aid to recover from the devastating blow to our economy.

Warm regards,
Todd McCasle, delegate of the king of Cavask

To: Anyone Interested
From: Avalt Security International

We are very proud of a nation who has chose not to deploy nuclear weapons. That said, we do have some fears about their ability to defend themselves from nuclear attacks. If other nations are currently in the process of helping with a missile defense program, we would like to become involved and make it a joint venture. If this is possible, we will begin moving assets immediately.

Absolutely, and should the worst happen and both systems fail, as a last resort, saturation of the air with flak/SAMs may help around key areas of importance. Of course, even if we develop and set up this system, we should ensure all areas of importance have nuclear bunkers, and all people of importance and Public Services hace NBC Attack training, to assist in the worse case scenario. We could send experianced soldiers and scientists in this field to your nation to assist in any training if it is deemed required.

Reply,

"Agreed. We are willing to contribute up to 7.5 billion dollars in research and development to this anti-ICBM system. We are aware that some nations would rather fight with nuclear weapons than on the honorable field of combat. No doubt, we would be targeted with nuclear weapons."

Reply,

"Agreed. We are willing to contribute up to 7.5 billion dollars in research and development to this anti-ICBM system. We are aware that some nations would rather fight with nuclear weapons than on the honorable field of combat. No doubt, we would be targeted with nuclear weapons."

Untill this system has fully been completed and set up on operational use, MelekTaus will continue to use its considerable Nuclear Arsenal in a Detterant stance.

But for this project, we have earmarked exactly 10 Billion USD for the cause, and further increases in funding may be considered. However, we must come up with the decision together of where the join research shall take place. Are to give a few proposals?

Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"We have found that missile defences that try to defend from a ICBM in its terminal or re-entry fazes is most useless. It is the boost phase that is the best time to intercept the missile. The reasons?

A: The chances of a FlaK shell or SAM destroying a Re-Entry Vehicle is very difficult. The fact that when Re-entry vehicles are entering the atmosphere they are moving at Mach-15 to 25. This would require severely specilised missiles to stop a warhead.

B: The ICBM might use MARVs(MAnueverable Re-Entry Vehicles) and manueverable warhead buses that can manuever in the terminal and re-entry phases to avoid incoming ABMs. This makes interception even HARDER.

C: The ICBM might not even use conventional sub-orbital flight. In some cases, missiles employ FOBS(Fractional Orbital Bombardment System), this means that the re-entry vehicles are put into a short orbit, this gives the ICBM virtually unlimited range and makes it impossible(especially if combined with MARVs(OOC:Like me)) to intercept with ground based systems.

That is all."
End Message

OOC:Now before you complain, the Russians have had FOBS since the late 50s(they shelved it after the Partial Test Ban Treaty which prohibited nukes put into orbit). And the Russians are testing an ICBM that manuevers in terminal and re-entry stage, the SS-27-M Topol.

Untill this system has fully been completed and set up on operational use, MelekTaus will continue to use its considerable Nuclear Arsenal in a Detterant stance.

But for this project, we have earmarked exactly 10 Billion USD for the cause, and further increases in funding may be considered. However, we must come up with the decision together of where the join research shall take place. Are to give a few proposals?

Reply,

"Currently, Stockyard Airbase has the facilities for testing and development of military hardware. It is fenced off approximately 300 miles in all directions from public access."

Official Statement From Red Tide Goverment
"We have found that missile defences that try to defend from a ICBM in its terminal or re-entry fazes is most useless. It is the boost phase that is the best time to intercept the missile. The reasons?

A: The chances of a FlaK shell or SAM destroying a Re-Entry Vehicle is very difficult. The fact that when Re-entry vehicles are entering the atmosphere they are moving at Mach-15 to 25. This would require severely specilised missiles to stop a warhead.

B: The ICBM might use MARVs(MAnueverable Re-Entry Vehicles) and manueverable warhead buses that can manuever in the terminal and re-entry phases to avoid incoming ABMs. This makes interception even HARDER.

C: The ICBM might not even use conventional sub-orbital flight. In some cases, missiles employ FOBS(Fractional Orbital Bombardment System), this means that the re-entry vehicles are put into a short orbit, this gives the ICBM virtually unlimited range and makes it impossible(especially if combined with MARVs(OOC:Like me)) to intercept with ground based systems.

That is all."
End Message

OOC:Now before you complain, the Russians have had FOBS since the late 50s(they shelved it after the Partial Test Ban Treaty which prohibited nukes put into orbit). And the Russians are testing an ICBM that manuevers in terminal and re-entry stage, the SS-27-M Topol.


A) No matter how fast something is moving, it can be intercepted with appropriate lead and angle of attack.

B) ICBMs can be destroyed by even fragmentary shrapnel. Exploding something in the path of an approaching missile can throw up enough of a wall to shred apart any armor on a missile.

C) Using smaller, faster ICBMs to counter ICBMs is indeed an acceptable tactic, considering that two objects moving at approximately the same speed are going to counter each other. The defending explosive device needs only to get within a shrapnel range of around 100 to 200 feet of its target to be effective.

Reply,

"Currently, Stockyard Airbase has the facilities for testing and development of military hardware. It is fenced off approximately 300 miles in all directions from public access."

Of course, that sounds like a perfect place. Senior scientists will be briefed, and prepared to move out to the location when you give confirmation of places for them to be, and for work to commence.

Of course, that sounds like a perfect place. Senior scientists will be briefed, and prepared to move out to the location when you give confirmation of places for them to be, and for work to commence.

Reply,

"We will deliver appropriate information to you immedietly."

(They'll have somewhere nice to stay, and be able to work with Felucan scientists. Uh, you might not know this but the Felucans are anthros. They don't look human. They look like people wearing full animal suits, sort of.)

Reply,

"We will deliver appropriate information to you immedietly."

(They'll have somewhere nice to stay, and be able to work with Felucan scientists. Uh, you might not know this but the Felucans are anthros. They don't look human. They look like people wearing full animal suits, sort of.)

OOC: My Scientists have seen stranger things...

IC: Perfect, the scientists are being briefed as we speak.

Ever since a Terrorist attack using a Nuklear missle on the city of Helios,Usea-Jason has spent long hours and many Evas(Money unit) to create a defence against such weapons.if you will,We would like to exchange ideas and plans.

That would be up to MelekTaus.

Ever since a Terrorist attack using a Nuklear missle on the city of Helios,Usea-Jason has spent long hours and many Evas(Money unit) to create a defence against such weapons.if you will,We would like to exchange ideas and plans.

The Nation of MelekTaus welcomes such research into the join research project, so long as our fellow partner nation agrees.

We have no issue with this.

OOC: With the basic concept in design idea finished, a satellite/ground tracking system with counter measure conventional warhead ICBMs designed for Anti ICBM role, shall we create a new Secret IC thread to RP our scientists getting to work and discussing/debating/arguing and finally agreeing on the project?

OOC: With the basic concept in design idea finished, a satellite/ground tracking system with counter measure conventional warhead ICBMs designed for Anti ICBM role, shall we create a new Secret IC thread to RP our scientists getting to work and discussing/debating/arguing and finally agreeing on the project?

OOC: I don't really see a need for all that. I have a feeling we both have generally the same concept in mind, it's really just a matter of getting the project to work. Our goals are the same, our designs are basicly the same.

OOC: I don't really see a need for all that. I have a feeling we both have generally the same concept in mind, it's really just a matter of getting the project to work. Our goals are the same, our designs are basicly the same.

OCC: Yes, but how you physically put something into practice is different, thus I was thinking of starting an RP with Ursea, MelekTaus and you involved in RPing as various scientists actually making the designs real. I had stated we'd both agreed on the basic design e.c.t

OCC: Yes, but how you physically put something into practice is different, thus I was thinking of starting an RP with Ursea, MelekTaus and you involved in RPing as various scientists actually making the designs real. I had stated we'd both agreed on the basic design e.c.t

OOC: Meh, that sort of RP doesn't appeal to me much.

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Official Government Statement
Constitutional Matriarchy of Reloria

It is a great pleasure to read this news. It is a step forward for peace, it is a step forward for the environment, and it is a step forward for humanity. If only more national leaders could demonstrate the wisdom and foresight to do the same, this world would be a safer and happier place for us all.

Blessings of the Goddess to you, and I hope that you continue to uphold the principles of peace and civilisation.

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Newly-Elected Matriarch Zelella Rocca
Leader of the Constitutional Matriarchy of Reloria

(ooc-Well,Usea has experimented with Laser tech since the 1990's,and have a tatically sound Chemical Laser in development,Yet thats PMT...)