NationStates Jolt Archive

Overview: The original first Azaron-class Super Dreadnaught was commissioned some four years ago. Since then, several problems with the prototype, the HIS Decius Aurelius, became evident and the Imperial Navy corporations tasked with designing the warship began working on a new draught. The results are as follows. If this plan is accepted, all existing Azaron SDs will be upgraded and all future planned warships will be built accordingly as well.

[Note: All of this is Secret IC, so your comments will be OOC only. Expect this to be the obvious product of a new designer, with all the glaring mistakes one tends to find in such designs... I gathered most of this from the various storefronts, wiki articles, Euro's consolidation sticky etc., but if any of it is simply impossible, just tell me.

Oh, and anyone who wants to design a picture is welcome to.]

Azaron-class trimaran Super Dreadnaught (take 2!)

Length: 1072 m; Beam: 215 m; Draught: 24 m
Displacement: 2.16 million tonnes (full load)
Armament:
Guns
12x 24" (610mm) Mk 71 naval guns in four triple turrets (A, C, X, & Z positions)
8x 12" (305mm) naval railguns (four port, four starboard)
8x 8" (203mm) naval railguns (four port, four starboard)
20x 6" (155mm) Mk 71 naval guns in ten dual turrets (five port, five starboard along outriggers)
Missiles
10x 72 cell dual cell VLS (capable of launching 1,440 high-velocity anti-shipping cruise missiles, or even more smaller ones)
48x Mosquito quadruple tube SAM launchers in 24 dual turrets (12 each port and starboard)
8x ASAT rotary missile drums
10x 12" (305mm) TT
6x 25" (635mm) TT
Protection: Advanced armour composite (amorphous steel, titanium, aluminium, ballistic ceramics); double-bottomed and reinforced keel; titanium honeycomb frame; void spaces with KERI foam installed within; composite rods
Aircraft: Capable of launching 72 fighters or 60 light bombers from two full runways along outriggers; also carries up to 18 medium V/STOL UCAVs or 30 small UCAVs (remotely operated).
Complement: 8,250 naval; 625 aircrew; 200 flag; can carry up to 2,500 naval infantry
Propulsion: Twelve pebblebed nuclear reactors; eight backup hybrid diesel/nuclear engines; ten internalized waterjets
Speed: 28 knots (cruising); 35 knots (absolute maximum)
Countermeasures:
48x Icefyre CIWS rapid-fire guns (24 port, 24 starboard)
16x anti-torpedo CIWS systems (underwater 35mm SUCAV guns, countermeasures, modified depth charges etc.)
6x centrally mounted lasers for shooting down incoming missiles and disabling laser-guided missiles within an effective range of 2,000 m
Electromagnetic radar jamming system with success rate of 95% for first missile; effective range of 15 km
Production price: $180 billion
(NOT FOR SALE)

OOCly (i only briefly skimmed over it) it looks alright. Though i haven't sen the first one so don't really know what you've changed.

If i ever get the chance ICly however i would laugh and say *hahaha you've built weakness into a physically shape - insert more laughter*

OOC: I don't like the idea of having 27 inch and 24 inch guns in your main armament. The calibres are way too similar and will cause you fire control problems. Pick either the 27 inchers or the 24 inchers and go with that. I'd honestly recommend the 24s because once you get beyond a certain calibre, you begin to lose range, accuracy, and rate of fire. Besides that, the barrel wear is greater with the larger guns, which means you have to replace the barrels more often.

I personally don't like six main gun turrets at all. I think it's overkill and makes a design top heavy. I'd like to know how you managed to get a hold of the Mark 136 VLS since I designed it for indigenous missiles (the Scourge and Scorcher). Considering our IC history of butting heads, I doubt I'd sell it to you or let you use it. If you got it from The Silver Sky, it'd be something else to add to my list of things we would need to discuss ICly. If I agreed to let you use it and I forgot that I did, let me know.

As for aircraft complement, the one thing I'll say is that fighter bombers tend to be the same in most air forces or naval units as strike fighters, so unless you do what I do and have true hybrids between fighters and bombers (which for the sake of getting people off my back I call them light bombers), the size difference between an air superiority bird and a strike fighter/fighter bomber probably isn't significant enough to warrant a drop in air wing by one full squadron.

The more I look at this, the more similar it looks to my designs, right down to the use of naval infantry for Marines. Note that I'm not saying you ripped off anything I've done. And I note that I got the term naval infantry from Romandeos. There are enough differences and all to tell me this is original work.

I personally don't like six main gun turrets at all. I think it's overkill and makes a design top heavy.

Doesn't one of your SD classes have six turrets (the Neptune i think)

OOC: I don't like the idea of having 27 inch and 24 inch guns in your main armament. The calibres are way too similar and will cause you fire control problems. Pick either the 27 inchers or the 24 inchers and go with that. I'd honestly recommend the 24s because once you get beyond a certain calibre, you begin to lose range, accuracy, and rate of fire. Besides that, the barrel wear is greater with the larger guns, which means you have to replace the barrels more often.
Ok, thanks, I'll get rid of the 27" guns...

I personally don't like six main gun turrets at all. I think it's overkill and makes a design top heavy.
I agree, that could be difficult because then we have to make the ship larger, it moves slower, etc. That's another reason to get rid of the 27s.


I'd like to know how you managed to get a hold of the Mark 136 VLS since I designed it for indigenous missiles (the Scourge and Scorcher). Considering our IC history of butting heads, I doubt I'd sell it to you or let you use it. If you got it from The Silver Sky, it'd be something else to add to my list of things we would need to discuss ICly. If I agreed to let you use it and I forgot that I did, let me know.

Actually, having seen it in a few storefronts/SD design threads (to people you probably sold the production rights to), I kind of assumed it was a standardized NS system like the Mk 71 naval guns. Consider that an OOC goof based on not enough research. :-/


As for aircraft complement, the one thing I'll say is that fighter bombers tend to be the same in most air forces or naval units as strike fighters, so unless you do what I do and have true hybrids between fighters and bombers (which for the sake of getting people off my back I call them light bombers), the size difference between an air superiority bird and a strike fighter/fighter bomber probably isn't significant enough to warrant a drop in air wing by one full squadron.
I'm still working on my air design, but the fighter-bombers (IA-71Fs) are probably closer to light bombers than strike fighters. I'll make it 64.


The more I look at this, the more similar it looks to my designs, right down to the use of naval infantry for Marines. Note that I'm not saying you ripped off anything I've done. And I note that I got the term naval infantry from Romandeos. There are enough differences and all to tell me this is original work.
It probably looks similar to your designs because yours was one of the storefronts I checked out... after all, Sarzonia is the NS Holland, no? ;) (If you want, I can edit the naval infantry part so that it'll sound more original...)

OOCly (i only briefly skimmed over it) it looks alright. Though i haven't sen the first one so don't really know what you've changed.
For the first one I didn't have nearly as detailed stats. I also have no idea where the first thread is. (Nobody replied to it anyway, as far as I know.)


If i ever get the chance ICly however i would laugh and say *hahaha you've built weakness into a physically shape - insert more laughter*
My IC response will probably be twelve 24" shells, sixteen railgun slugs, twenty 6" shells, 2,880 MRASMs, 48 torpedoes, and 192 SAMs... knowing "relations" between Yallak and Banduria...

Actually, having seen it in a few storefronts/SD design threads (to people you probably sold the production rights to), I kind of assumed it was a standardized NS system like the Mk 71 naval guns. Consider that an OOC goof based on not enough research. :-/ Well, the Mark 71 was a Soviet Bloc system that he originally allowed limited numbers of people to use. I developed the Mark 136 when I realised I had Mark 41 VLS tubes and separate tubes for the large Russian-derived missiles I had developed and I wanted a VLS tube capable of launching the huge designs without wasting space for separate launchers.

I hadn't realised the Mark 136 VLS would become part of NS canon though if it has, it's a nice little feather in my cap. ;)

I'm still working on my air design, but the fighter-bombers (IA-71Fs) are probably closer to light bombers than strike fighters. I'll make it 64.Ah, okay. I do the same with my Archduke (light bomber).

It probably looks similar to your designs because yours was one of the storefronts I checked out... after all, Sarzonia is the NS Holland, no? ;) (If you want, I can edit the naval infantry part so that it'll sound more original...)It's not that big of a deal, TBH. Makes things easier for me, actually. ;)

My IC response will probably be twelve 24" shells, sixteen railgun slugs, twenty 6" shells, 2,880 MRASMs, 48 torpedoes, and 192 SAMs... knowing "relations" between Yallak and Banduria...

Haha, and its just going to get a whole lot better when my fleet shows up in the ViZion conflict.

Well, the Mark 71 was a Soviet Bloc system that he originally allowed limited numbers of people to use. I developed the Mark 136 when I realised I had Mark 41 VLS tubes and separate tubes for the large Russian-derived missiles I had developed and I wanted a VLS tube capable of launching the huge designs without wasting space for separate launchers.

I hadn't realised the Mark 136 VLS would become part of NS canon though if it has, it's a nice little feather in my cap. ;)
I have to remember that... if you develop a system even your sworn enemies use, you know you're successful... anyway...

It's not that big of a deal, TBH. Makes things easier for me, actually. ;)
I see... ;)