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(Secret IC )defense department FSD report, federal defense force
The Department of defense; has authorized with the presidents and congresses mandates, that a project called Full Spectrum Dominance or FSD begins, this project will be tantamount to combat in a new era of space warfare, this multiple pronged approach will alow united states forces , and intelligence to be better effective on the battle field, and on the defensive front. the
first of the prongs is called the Universal positioning intelligence system, this is a system of satellites , AI's and drones positioned out side the STC in between membranes to view and scan the entire universe as we know it, they will be able to scan fleets or ships going Faster than light, and large fleets going sunlight speeds , this will provide an all seeing eye for the union, and will also help us detect battles using temporal weapons conventional weapons of sufficient size and dimensional weaponry.

The Second prong of the FSD program will focus on a massive battle net set up in the union neutral territory's and friendly nations, this will provide a massive integrated command, control and intelligence net work for the united states, and will be integrated with the UPIS To increase force readiness and alert status.





The third prong in this endover will be use and expansion of the FDF ground forces and fleets, and a system of military transport gates that will alow fast travel of ground force to any world or any allied world of the United states , the FDF will expand its fleet and ground forces to utilize these new features.



The Final and domestic prong of this program will focus on economic power, investing in the nations infrastructure, this includes building AI MFG bases, a Dyson sphere, and ring worlds around stars and systems

Defense secretary , longhorn


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OOC notes:
The UPIS isn't a god mode it has limitations it cant see some one scratching there ass on a planet or ship but if some thing is big enough it could see it, it uses special sensors to detect FTL movement or battles it has an over all view of every thing, It can zoom in to a point but not to the point were it can see an individual person or planet.

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OOC: It seems like a fairly standard intel network. Probes, AIs processing data, and ship-based/planetary scanners covering the majority of an area. You have gates to jump from world to world, which, again, is fairly standard on useful worlds, and a battlenet useable by your military.

The only thing that's different is the Dyson Spheres/ringworlds, and, to be frank, there are a lot of worlds out there. They seem like a waste of resources, unless you want to move a whole lot of people into one system.

(HT its a upgraded network.. and you missed points of the post)

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OoC: Scan the entire universe... Isn't it kind of boring not being able to RP mis-information? That's why I love fighting with the Proletarian Guard, half the time, they have no idea what's going on two miles down the road. I've said it once and I'll say again: NS isn't about winning or being better.

My opinion, dispute it all you want.

well you already know what i think about ring worlds, i stated the major disadvantages (the fact that a ring world is more then likely not going to be as denses as a Planet making it easyer to destroy...i might have to change my name for the Planet busters to Ring busters. after all they dont really bust planets just make a really large crator in the surface and spew up alot of nuclear waste into the atmosphere, they might just crack your ring worlds).

I can see one major problem tho, meny people will find the idea of seeing the entire universe a tad bit Godmod, i myself find it rather.....Extreame...after all the universe has no end so even if you used the membrain theory to do this the chances are that your probes, Sats etc wont see a god dam thing. Galaxy wide sensor net i can understand....hard but i can understand.

The ability to see people when they traval FTL i find really hard to understand, after all meny of the FTL drive that are used go into another dimention. Mine does and i cant even track it and developed it.

OoC: Scan the entire universe... Isn't it kind of boring not being able to RP mis-information? That's why I love fighting with the Proletarian Guard, half the time, they have no idea what's going on two miles down the road. I've said it once and I'll say again: NS isn't about winning or being better.

My opinion, dispute it all you want.


my UPIS isint entierly acurate

The only thing that's different is the Dyson Spheres/ringworlds, and, to be frank, there are a lot of worlds out there. They seem like a waste of resources, unless you want to move a whole lot of people into one system.

Dyson spheres are quite useless if your race has FTL, because creating a Dyson sphere is the kind of thing that puts an enormous drain on one's economy, for very little gain if you can just hop into a space ship and get to another planet within a few weeks. Now, if you don't have FTL and also have an enormous (and when I say enormous, I mean *enormous*) population, *and* you have the requisite skill at super-scalar construction, I suppose it's at least partially viable, but this is not the case for a nation like TFU.

Frankly, there have only been three instances of such super-scalar construction that I even come close to recognizing, mainly because the fact that they were all RPed out fully, constructed over the period of several RL months. Those would be the Jordaxian and Triumvirate ringworlds, and the Industrial Experiment Dyson Sphere. Note that I am leery of accepting the latter, because it was constructed in two hundred IC years, and represents an enormous potiential for breaking the game. Like "I can build billions of nigh-invulnerable ships in the course of a few years! After all, I was able to make a Dyson sphere, which requires incredibly strong materials science skills, and trillions of times the mass of even a billion-ship strong fleet!11" Though, like I said, if it weren't for that enormous potiential for abuse, IE's RP would have validated it in my eyes.

Now: Keeping tabs on everything in the universe is quite, quite impossible. Uncertainty and Chaos Theory mean that you can't really predict what will happen, which means that you'll have to actually be watching everything in real time (or very close to it.) I shouldn't have to point out what a silly idea that is.

Dyson spheres are quite useless if your race has FTL, because creating a Dyson sphere is the kind of thing that puts an enormous drain on one's economy, for very little gain if you can just hop into a space ship and get to another planet within a few weeks. Now, if you don't have FTL and also have an enormous (and when I say enormous, I mean *enormous*) population, *and* you have the requisite skill at super-scalar construction, I suppose it's at least partially viable, but this is not the case for a nation like TFU.

Frankly, there have only been three instances of such super-scalar construction that I even come close to recognizing, mainly because the fact that they were all RPed out fully, constructed over the period of several RL months. Those would be the Jordaxian and Triumvirate ringworlds, and the Industrial Experiment Dyson Sphere. Note that I am leery of accepting the latter, because it was constructed in two hundred IC years, and represents an enormous potiential for breaking the game. Like "I can build billions of nigh-invulnerable ships in the course of a few years! After all, I was able to make a Dyson sphere, which requires incredibly strong materials science skills, and trillions of times the mass of even a billion-ship strong fleet!11" Though, like I said, if it weren't for that enormous potiential for abuse, IE's RP would have validated it in my eyes.

Now: Keeping tabs on everything in the universe is quite, quite impossible. Uncertainty and Chaos Theory mean that you can't really predict what will happen, which means that you'll have to actually be watching everything in real time (or very close to it.) I shouldn't have to point out what a silly idea that is.

my spears and ring worlds wont be ready for a while CF.. and i am capable of doing this on my own, i hate it when people under estimate me im almost 5 billion, and just because you say i cant do it dose not mean i cant, that really pisses me off if you want to ignore me for it godhead i don't care sorry for the outburst but i don't like it when people tell me what i can and cant do (ut i know the limits as for UPIS it has drawbacks i can scale it down for rps if i need to)

my spears and ring worlds wont be ready for a while CF..

That doesn't stop them from being a huge waste of resources when you have access to FTL travel. Ringworlds have lots of space, and that is the only thing going for them, really. However, they take a grotesque amount of resources to construct and are a waste of money when you can just hop into a space ship and colonize a new planet. Besides, five billion people isn't even enough to fill up one planet totally, let alone a multi-system federation or a ringworld. (Let alone a dyson sphere.)

The Triumvirate ringworld, for example, was a joint project between the entire triumvirate, IIRC, while the Jordaxian one was a *much* smaller haloesque ringworld that had a surface area roughly the size of Russia, IIRC.

i cant do it dose not mean i cant, that really pisses me off if you...*snip*

I'm telling you that it's a waste since the main purpose of a dyson sphere is living space and utilizing all the output of a star for energy. A nation with FTL travel has no real want for living space, and more likely than not, no need for utilizing all of the Sun's solar power. (Since, if they can go faster than light, they probably have much more effective power sources that don't take the resources of an entire system, or more, to construct.)

A five billion man nation should have no problems with living space even on two planets, let alone such that they require a dyson sphere.

And besides, a five billion man nation really shouldn't have the kind of resources we're talking about here. Building a Dyson Sphere requires an enormous infrastructure, such that you can ship a solar system's worth of material somewhere. If you have that kind of infrastructure, building a dyson sphere is rather superflous.

(ut i know the limits as for UPIS it has drawbacks i can scale it down for rps if i need to)

I'm pointing out that it's a silly concept in the first place. Watching the entire universe? That's just silly. It's like weapons that can destroy anything, no matter how resistant it is. A no-limits fallacy, really.

Dryson Sphere? If someone so much as nudges it once you begin to construct the hemispheres (after you're done with the main rings), it's going into the star.

In a big, unmerciful way.

Also, if you only RP as having 5 billion people, you won't even need 2 planets, much less the tremendous room offered by a Dryson Sphere. As it is, I rp with 10-14 (I forget the exact number) and occupy 4 solar systems and wouldn't even think of having a ringworld (galactic rim, so that's still a lot of territory)

You'd need the resources and population of the Galactic Empire (from SW, not the NS one) just to have a true ringworld.

As for the part with universal monitering, that's too powerful. Do you have any idea how much sheet information that is? And don't say that you condense. As a simulation/observation becomes more complex, it grows closer to the complexity of the physical reality. (like measuring the flow of water down a waterslide) Eventually you reach a point at which your simulation or capacity for observation is indiscernable from the complexity of what you're trying to simulate or observe.

In simple terms: in order to observe/simulate the universe, you need to have something that is equally complex.

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Also, if you only RP as having 5 billion people, you won't even need 2 planets, much less the tremendous room offered by a Dryson Sphere. As it is, I rp with 10-14 (I forget the exact number) and occupy 4 solar systems and wouldn't even think of having a ringworld (galactic rim, so that's still a lot of territory)[QUOTE]

Actually, the ESUS, and a few other like-minded folk, RP with their NS population, in order to attempt to keep the numberwanking down to a bare minimum, and to set a power standard, which means people can't keep pulling troops out of their butt.

Oh, and TFU, I have to admit, if you could view the entire universe, you would have an infinitely small portion of the processing power you need to actually view the information, so it's a moot point.

Actually, the ESUS, and a few other like-minded folk, RP with their NS population, in order to attempt to keep the numberwanking down to a bare minimum, and to set a power standard, which means people can't keep pulling troops out of their butt.

You'll find that using NS pop is the norm. It's not just the ESUS, it's most reasonable people on NS.

You'll find that using NS pop is the norm. It's not just the ESUS, it's most reasonable people on NS.

*Throws away small shred of reasoning...*

I rp with that population due to it being a more realistic pop for the territories I control. You can't control vast stellar distances with only 5 billion. 10 might get you 4 planets on the outer rim. (I only get that many because three are close together and the other one is only a few hundred million in pop) 50 would be reasonable for a hunk of galactic core. And an entire galaxy... those numbers aren't funny. (Trantor?)

However, I use my NS pop for figuring military (mostly because I haven't settled on a final population number. Numbers haven't ever really been a problem since I use the .75% rule, and right now I'm at about .41% I think)

Realism is very important. If you're a vast stellar empire capable of making a ringworld or Dryson Sphere, you should have the population to match.

I see tons of people claiming large areas of space, when they would only be able to put a token few citizens on each world. It's okay if they're only using NS populations for military, but they'd better have a lot more non-usable population as random peons.

so should i inflate my pop?

You can't control vast stellar distances with only 5 billion.

Well, it's possible, you just need very good sensors, drone technology, and border control policies that keep everyone out. :p

Realism is very important. If you're a vast stellar empire capable of making a ringworld or Dryson Sphere, you should have the population to match.

Realism? I guess we better nix our FTL drives, shields, and most energy weapons then. ;)

I see tons of people claiming large areas of space, when they would only be able to put a token few citizens on each world.

I do that, actually. Thirteen systems with only a few billion spread between them. So while they're 'mine' on the map, and I have small military presences in most of them, only the big three with large populations are really effectively 'mine.'

My strategy in a war is to let the enemy take those less important planets and waste troops pacifying them while I strike brutally at whatever supply lines/targets of opportunity they present. Naturally, this breeds a bit of resentment amongst the populations of said minor planets, but until my civil war, there isn't much they can do about it. :p

It's okay if they're only using NS populations for military, but they'd better have a lot more non-usable population as random peons.

See, that's not so bad. The problem is when people try to use it to increase their power.

so should i inflate my pop?

You should give up on the stupid idea of building ringworlds/dyson spheres. Because with an FTL capable situation, they are entirely useless. Building them would just be a big sink to pour resources in for no gain, and would prompt your numerous enemies to strike at you while you're wasting entire solarsystems worth of resources building a habitat with no practical value compared to planets or more reasonable space-habitats.

so should i inflate my pop?

OOC: I would say no. I don't.

And I would have to say no to seeing the whole universe. To know infinity (like the universe), you would need infinite time and infinite resources. That is a physical impossibility in both NS and RL.