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Brief History on my nations Topal and Frozopia:

Frozopia gets involved in conflict with Leafanistan, Mckagan, Red Tide2 and TLA.

Eventually my internet breaks, I lose my internet due to inactivity before the conflict draws to an end. Hence they claim my nation, splitting it in 4.

Months later I start a new nation, Topal. I decided from the start that Topal was an old wing of the Frozopian Empire, led by a Prince of the Royal family posing as Roland.

After a few RP's I decide I want my old nation back, Frozopia. After a request to the admin, I have Frozopia and I begin to reclaim Frozopia. First I try peaceful methods, then eventually I use Frozopian rebels to reclaim the Red Tide2 section, helped by other nations attacking the Red Tide homeland.

Now heres the bit the allies (Mckagan etc) dont like. My plan is to unite Frozopia and Topal under one democratic leadership, lead by Roland. So when I decide to retake the other parts of Frozopia, I plan to use united Frozopian and Topal forces: They call this Puppet modding, something I have never heard of.

So what do you think?

Puppet Modding is essentially using your other nations to get more military personel to attack with. Technically you should get allies to assist you. If you were an imperialist regime Antanjyl would probably help, but seeing as you're planning to be Democratic you can probably get alot of other nations to help. Just ask Allanea, they're all a bunch of bleeding hearts out in II. That and insane despots.


Edit: You can say they're both being used while only using one military population. See if they accept that. So you're only using one nation's army, but in a way have both forces at once. v_V

Although I haven't studied the specifics of the controversy, have you suggested RPing united Frozopian and Topal forces but only using the stats of one of those nations, not both?

So, say, if Frozopia can maintain 5 million troops your combined Frozopian and Topal armies come to 5 million? Just a suggestion, once again I've not read what the exact problem is about.

Since you only control 1/4th of Frozopia I do not see how you could really use Frozopia's stats to your full advantage. If you let the other players use the stats of the Frozopian areas they control to bloster their respective zones of occupation then they might agree... The playing field being evened.

Another way to go about the war is to significantly up your defenses before any further invasions. Otherwise you risk being attacked during your invasion.

I can use slightly better than 1/4th because the rebels came from all area's of Frozopia to attack Red Tide and then to join my military, so thats one benefit I guess.
Thanks for the help anyways guys, Im probably going to try obtain at least another 1/4 of Frozopia threw peace talks, lets see......

You should never use puppets to boost your military total, otherwise it'd just turn into a case of whoever can manage the most puppets. Puppets should only ever be used to control, manage or play out an RP.

I see.
Hm. This is going to be harder than I first guessed.

You should slowly start alliances with like-minded nations then become an axis of evil. Or become a slave of Kraven, he'll help anyone if they're a slave state.

Hm.
I dont suppose anyone here wants to sign a military alliance?
Worth a try :D

Well Antanjyl is an evil bastard state with a whacked out religion that is currently being attacked from all sides by democracies and benevolent empires trying to end our reign of evil... For this I am proud.

Once they're taken care of by my allies or I become invaded I wouldn't mind joining up with you. However for now I am in a state of defcon 24.

The Protectorate of Warshrike could help out... Provided your a race someone's trying to wipe out... Ah screw it, Ill help either way... It wouldent be an alliance as such... But if we placed you under protection we would always help you out... when invaded...

You could always ignore them. What they did was technically godmoding, as if you had no internet there was no way you could have posted any responses and yet they continued to attack you, deciding your losses and declaring your nation 'captured'. The proper way to go about things would have been to leave the RP to rot.

Brief History on my nations Topal and Frozopia:

Frozopia gets involved in conflict with Leafanistan, Mckagan, Red Tide2 and TLA.

Eventually my internet breaks, I lose my internet due to inactivity before the conflict draws to an end. Hence they claim my nation, splitting it in 4.
If you were still in a position to defend yourself at this point or the war in question was still in a ongoing state, then they should not have claimed victory over your nation. This usually only happens when a specific nation refuses to accept a defeat and/or godmodes or just dissapears(which may just be what they thought).

Months later I start a new nation, Topal. I decided from the start that Topal was an old wing of the Frozopian Empire, led by a Prince of the Royal family posing as Roland.

After a few RP's I decide I want my old nation back, Frozopia. After a request to the admin, I have Frozopia and I begin to reclaim Frozopia. First I try peaceful methods, then eventually I use Frozopian rebels to reclaim the Red Tide2 section, helped by other nations attacking the Red Tide homeland.

Now heres the bit the allies (Mckagan etc) dont like. My plan is to unite Frozopia and Topal under one democratic leadership, lead by Roland. So when I decide to retake the other parts of Frozopia, I plan to use united Frozopian and Topal forces: They call this Puppet modding, something I have never heard of.

So what do you think?
I wouldnt like it either, someone who combines puppets to gain the edge over an opponent. The only legitimate way would be to use the puppet in name only as part of Frozopia but this has already been said.
Given that there are reasonable RPers opposing you(I dont mean good writers, I mean correct people) I would be willing to participate on your side

one thing, RPing with puppets is perfectly fine as long as they never end up on the same side in a conflict (and you dont comletely hijack a thread by being both sides). I have two active RP nations, but if they ever got into the same thread (which I avoid, cos it gets VERY confusing...) they'd be straight at each other's throats, all the way to nukes in the case of the other one.

You said something about rebel Frozopian forces right? I can see you using those to bulster your Topal forces. But since your trying to 'reclaim' what was Frozopia, I think it would be unfair to those players who control that area at present. So, use those rebel forces you and they know you command. That would add maybe a few dozen thousand more troops.

Over all I think puppeting a war is up to the people in it. Since sometimes your opponents are doing the same.

And is this FT or MT?

MT, and they wont be bulstering my Topalian armies but my Frozopian armies.
Because I will be able to raise new troops in my quarter, and then have rebels from every other quarter who will join this force.

You see?

I will exclude Topal from the RP probably.

Also as for them GMing, you are right, but Im to layed back to care, and besides it makes new RP's more interesting.

MT, and they wont be bulstering my Topalian armies but my Frozopian armies.
Because I will be able to raise new troops in my quarter, and then have rebels from every other quarter who will join this force.

You see?

I will exclude Topal from the RP probably.

Hmm...I can't help you much since I'm FT, but I got a friend who went MT, and he might be willing to help you out. He's got a decent sized army.

Personally, I would accept it if you subtracted Topal's population from Frozopia's. Thusly your overall population has not changed.

That's just me, however.

Also (because I'm a total grammer freak :P)
Frozopia threw peace talks
you should be using through, not threw.

Which reminds me, will Topal turn its back on its proud Imperialist background?

Ok ok through then. Gods I dont know how you survive when you look at some other RPers and their grammar. Its painful for me at times!

As for Imperialism, well we will see. Maybe If Roland migrates to lead Frozopia, then someone might launch a coup to make Topal Imperialistic again.....