NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC comments go here, and tactical discussion. Thank you.

OOC:I know that... but depending on where your sub is, your going cruise missiles are going to be flying OVER a heavily defended coastline. It would be even worse if you fired from the southern area... believe me. Also, 40 missiles isnt going to work either given that I got upwards of 2,500 WHIRLWIND Emplacements... and that is NOT including the ones located beyond the coast. If you had fired from off the coast of the Western Wastelands, probably half of your missiles would have reached their targets.

I was thinking of like doing a massive cruise missile strike, I have the ships....so....basically....what do you think Red Tide?

:shrugs: you can try... but keep in mind, your ships will be under attack and I have plenty of anti-missile weaponry.

Also TMS, I must enquire about your 'extremely high altitude paradrops' how does this work?

Alright, I understand that, my ships defenses, especially the ones on the carriers, can take very good care of that. I might as well wait for the others...seems like Marxist State is havin fun, might go in....soon....very soon...

Red Tide, I can get you some Flak cannons as those are bound to be quickly destroyed, along with mobile flak cannons. Just ask.

VVV Organize the Red Youth Troops? ;)

I am going to have to go to youth group soon. Please wait for me.

Leafanistan:No thanks, I got mobile AA covered as well in the form of the Red Tidean version of the Tunguska.

I'm just going to be in this for a little bit to lend some help to Anagonia defend any positions. Consider me a slight cameo appearance (if I was famous).

WOAH! ANAGONIA! I said post when you get to 100 kilometers! NOT when you start to bombard!

Oh....um......Er......uh....I was busy making supper and I forgot...so....sorry >>

Damn man, sorry! How can I redo? And inform me of the plan so I can properly redo...sorry man...had to make chicken stew.

Yea, seriously, lets redo *looks at the response post*

Heh... well I was first thinking about you responding to those bombers I sent after you, we can presume that that occurs two hours before you reach 100 kilometers?. Anyways, at 100 kilometers I was going to have my SAMs and SSMs open up on your forces, including another surprise I want to pull out, since they would be well inside range for such weapons.

Hmm...I see....so basically I cancel the bombardment post and.....just post responding to the missiles, right?

Well... post responding to the bombers... your ships are not in my bombers missile range yet, so you still have time to scramble fighters.

Posted

Aquatio... maybe you should read the above posts? Also, what are the stats on those SUPER SPARROWS?

RIM-7 Sea Sparrow Missile

Made correction....sorry...You know, its those damn pesky buggers that find the missiles and almost always kills them.

Ah... I am going to go google it.

EDIT:Okay, max range of 55 kilometers, blah blah blah.... I am, going to assume your using the P version(which is the latest).

:shrugs: you can try... but keep in mind, your ships will be under attack and I have plenty of anti-missile weaponry.

Also TMS, I must enquire about your 'extremely high altitude paradrops' how does this work?

It's very simple. In the Upper Stratosphere there are there is a Zepplin like airship, there are protective suites and oxygen masks to protect from pressure and thin air. Their are bomb-bay like doors that open, and the soldiers baisclly freefall until they reach a certain height in about 15 minutes and deploy parachutes. Vehichles need the chute deployed instantly so they drop in 35 minutes after dropping. It isn't too complicated.

Ah... so your using aircraft flying in the upper stratosphere? Yes, I can deal with those.

PS:Encounter with AA weapons are INEVITABLE... unless you plan on landing inside the Western Wastelands. Which, while making a nice surprise, would expose you to enough radiation to kill a man in 5 minutes-several days(depending on WHERE inside the wasteland you landed)

EDIT: Are you planning in landing in the Western Wastelands? And why are you using helicopters which, having a operational height limit, cannot fly as high or as fast as an airplane.

... should I go ahead and post my planes launching the missiles?

Ah... so your using aircraft flying in the upper stratosphere? Yes, I can deal with those.

PS:Encounter with AA weapons are INEVITABLE... unless you plan on landing inside the Western Wastelands. Which, while making a nice surprise, would expose you to enough radiation to kill a man in 5 minutes-several days(depending on WHERE inside the wasteland you landed)

EDIT: Are you planning in landing in the Western Wastelands? And why are you using helicopters which, having a operational height limit, cannot fly as high or as fast as an airplane.

Upper Mesosphere* my apologies.

RIIIGHT... IGNORED!

The Mesosphere is to high for ANY, I repeat, ANY aircraft to reach. The upper stratsophere is possible for specialised aircraft. But NOT the mesosphere! Besides, the Mesosphere is close to Low Earth Orbit, the men and equipment would burn up in the atmosphere long before they got anywhere near the ground

Now I'm downright stuck......How in the hell do you jam.....You know what, since your using scramjets, mind if I put in a specialized jammer of my own? Its a Microwave Jammer, and it descreetly jams isgnals on various wave-lengths and confuses targeting computers. Microwaves are strong, so it seemed right....

Now, the reason for this is your seemingly imprenatrable defense shield of missiles, and those SU's coming at me. I will admit the Microwave defenses arn't perfect, and I will take losses, but I need a damn CHANCE here *laughs*

Pretty please? Its perfect in sync with MT.

Yay, this war is fun! One person got out already!......*sigh*

Heh, its fine... youll only be facing... 465 Cruise Missiles... okay so that may actually be alot... but I am sure your AEGIS Cruisers could take care of it... right? But go ahead, include the jamming if you want to. Just let me post the missiles launching first.

Yea, sure, my cruisers...... *gulps* I know my Battleships are fitted with some AEGIS technology, and my Carriers are outfitted for fleet defender tactics...so....basically.....I should survive..... *goes under*

Oh! You dont really have to worry about the MDM-5Bs if your flying below 95,000 feet. Those are the only missiles in the Red Tide Arsenal with SCRAMjets. However, if your flying below 95,000 feet, you will have to worry about the more numerous MDM-4s.

EDIT: Okay, dont worry about your ships, dont you have an Aquatian fleet backing you up with their own cruisers and destroyers?

EDIT2:Oh and some of your transport ships will also be targetted, as they are carrying troops.

Ha HA!

I got creative, flak clouds filled with metal material.....or whatever....should be an interesting outcome.

Okay, first off, something that is really confusing me, my planes are attacking your fleet heading towards my northern coast only, not the other fleet.

Second, the beauty of missile attacks is that YOU get to post how many missiles were taken out by defensive fire and jamming... so long as you are realistic about it(a single CIWS boasts a 85% interception rate(for the first missile) in tests, in wartime conditions the rate would probably drop to 60%, the rate would continue dropping as the missiles got closer).

Finally, the missiles arnt bunched together, they are reasonably spread out.

Okay, first off, something that is really confusing me, my planes are attacking your fleet heading towards my northern coast only, not the other fleet.

Second, the beauty of missile attacks is that YOU get to post how many missiles were taken out by defensive fire and jamming... so long as you are realistic about it(a single CIWS boasts a 85% interception rate(for the first missile) in tests, in wartime conditions the rate would probably drop to 60%, the rate would continue dropping as the missiles got closer).

Finally, the missiles arnt bunched together, they are reasonably spread out.

Well, damnit, kick my ass for my mistakes! My Northern fleets aircraft would have launched the missiles....and.....well.....I'm about to take heavy losses. So, anyway, I'm giving YOU the option of seeing how many die. Cause thats how I do things, cause I only post MY losses.

Oookkkkayyyyy!

Any damage to the transports? Remember, those are also targetted and these warheads are pretty powerful.

Ack, forgot about that...lemme edit....

Edited

Alright... seems good, I am off to bed now. :yawns: see you in 7 and a half hours.

Same here, night. Be safe and be well, good dreams.

Nothing's happening in Frozopia yet though correct?

Nothing's happening in Frozopia yet though correct?

Correct, and I don't intend on approcing that part anytime soon.

As far as I was told, Red Tide is a specific island Nation in the Pacific ocean. I am NOT going for Frozopia, or wherever it may lay. I was told where Ride Tidea was, and I'm damn going for it. So Lone Alliance, don't worry, our forces are specifically told not to attack you, because I'm pretty sure its not a part of their Island Nation.

(OOC)

Why are these nations at war with Red Tide 2???

What is the cause and background of this conflict.

oh this is a joke.
I spend ages typing my rebel strike thread up and hey presto its disappeared! What the hell? I dont think I posted its properly....

Alright, people... start posting ICly again. I am back...

Frozopia: Yeah... JOLT sucks.

Alright, people... start posting ICly again. I am back...

Frozopia: Yeah... JOLT sucks.

Ain't it your turn? I just posted losses....or is it mine...I forgot!

Bah, I'll post....

what the hell? The thread reappeared, thank god.

Czardaian OMGZ FORCE LIST!!!!111

Air Forces
6x Chimera AAWACs
30x TI-35 Tankers
30x TI-57 Reconnaissance Aircrafts
60x CzS-5 UAVs
720x Dagger Air Superiority Fighter
300x Peregrine Strike Fighter
300x Striker Attack Fighter-Bomber
100x Kestrel Stealth Fighter
60x Hailstorm Heavy Bomber
[Total: 1,480 combat air assets; 126 logistical air assets]

Sea Forces
3x Mariosz Class Battle Carriers (CCS Wellington, Newcastle, and Auckland)
1x Concordiat Class Bomber Carriers (CCS Sydney)
10x Dorandor Class Littoral Combat Ships
8x Adarion Class Amphibious Attack Ships
10x Motuka Class Frigates
12x Federate Class Arsenal Destroyers
12x Mjenaz Class Arsenal Cruisers
3x Cyrus Class Battleships (CCS Bournemouth, Haven, and Donohue)
1x Czardas Class Command Dreadnaughts (CCS Liberty)
[Total combat ships: 60]

Land Forces
200,000 Shock Troops
19th and 27th Special Operative Divisions (a total of 210 SpecOps)
800 Emperor Class MBTs
1,200 Scorpion Class LBTs

These will arrive in two to three NS days, except for the air forces which are setting out along the 1200-km distance immediately to launch a strike in 4 NS hours. I'll post them leaving in a sec.

w00t! You go Czarda's!

Now, I need to take a shower, so I'llbe back asap!

Anny, what direction are you attacking from?

Er, forgive me. From what direction are you attacking?

I'm actually attacking from the Northern front, between the southern and northern coast-lines. I have a Northern Fleet that is on its way towards the North Western part of the Island, but was halted due to the massive attack waves that came in.

Your tenders would be a great help, but I'm mainly waiting for the response of Red Tide before I launch my massive waves of cruise missiles *laughs* And I liked that pun towards us about the flak cannons. Hell, I had to use SOMETHING.

What pun? :confused:

Nvm...anyway

Waiting for post tactics approval by Red Tide2. I made it as modern techy as I could considering the advances tactics used by the AEGIS system. If Acceptable, I will post outcome, and I would like to see opinions on the outcome as well.

Anywho..gotta get nephew in a bit, so I'll be back asap.

Its acceptable... I would just like to point out that the SAMs have LADAR as a back-up guidance system, if they loose their targets on RADAR, they'll switch to LADAR, which, by nature, is VERY difficult to jam. Those RADAR and LADAR antennae are also capable of multi-targetting.

Postages...w00t.

Need to get other nephew, so I'll be back asap

Red Tide2, first of all, I had to get offline fairly quickly, so I'm sorry if I didn't make a detailed post, but I don't remember posting any casualties. I was going to post mine today, but I won't bother. I'll just delete the old post and rewrite the landing...

I'm BBBBAAAAACCCCKK.....

Now to mop the floors...

Alright, NOW I have objections, first, the SAMs are too small and too fast to be engaged by fighter based missiles(although jamming them does work). In addition, none of my LRASMs have LADAR, its my MDM-4 SAMs that have LADAR as a back-up. I suggest that you increase the air casualties(by alot) and decrease the ocean casualties.

Is Stoned coming in from the north or the south?

North... althogh I dont understand why you didnt post fortifying in one of my beach defense areas?

North... althogh I dont understand why you didnt post fortifying in one of my beach defense areas?

I did post that two companies were setting up on the northern front.

Alright, NOW I have objections, first, the SAMs are too small and too fast to be engaged by fighter based missiles(although jamming them does work). In addition, none of my LRASMs have LADAR, its my MDM-4 SAMs that have LADAR as a back-up. I suggest that you increase the air casualties(by alot) and decrease the ocean casualties.

Edited and done, basically you destroyed every aircraft I had in the air, expect the Hawkeye's....somehow I don't want them dead just yet.

Now I need refreshment fighters...blah...

Sorry for the mistakes, I apologize greatly. *bows* Forgiveness is asked.

Its fine ^_^. : prepares second wave:

Oh, yeah, expect the Red Tide Mafia to start trying to attack your forces soon(I say try because they only have PT boats for a navy and the rather outdated MiG-23 airplane as their main fighter).

OOC:Oh yes, the missiles...

IC:As the missiles approached the mainland, they began to get picked out of the sky by WHIRLWIND Emplacements, dropping the number from 144 to 100, then to 83, and so on. The missiles had aways to go and they would constantly be in range of the WHIRLWIND Emplacements almost through their entire flight. About 6 got through and destroyed 6 of those massive 25" guns.

If the Battleships intended to get the rest, they didnt, the IOWA class had a range of just 24 miles, due to its rather dated guns. The remaining 6 of those 25" guns kept on firing, they were big, modern, Electro-Thermal Chemical(ETC) Guns that could easily cover the 115 kilometers to the enemy battleships.

*Gets punched in the stomic by post*

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Come on! *gasp, pain* Come on! That was LOW! VERY LOW!

*gas, gasp, gasp*

(Lol, seriously, that was a LOW blow...man....you got me good.... *sighs*)

EDIT: You HAVE to suspect, with all the upgrades I did to the battleships, that I DID put upgraded guns....dang man! Low blow, low blow *gasp*

I g2g for tonight anyways, I'll cya later.

*Pulls a Referee out of his pocket that announces that Red Tide Is disquallyfied, just before some warns him that this is a NO DQ Match (or Match series, or W/e)*


I really needed to goof off, and on a side note... 50 of those men are great snipers (HINT ON POSITION)

Sea Forces - Main Battle Group

4 x Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers (Essex, Norfolk, Newport News, Pascagoula)
8 x Iowa Class Battleships
16 x Ticonderoga Class Guided Missile Cruiser
12 x Arleigh Burke Guided Missile AEGIS Destroyer
8 x Spruance Class Destroyer
8 x Bainbridge Class Frigate
16 x Los Angeles Class Submarine

Note: I still have to dig up the support ships and a bunch of other things.

Another response was a second volley of LRASM-50s. Another hoard, this time of six thousand missiles, was fired at the Anagonian and Aquatian Fleets.

Since my fleets are being tended to, and the flare could have been seen, mind letting me rearm a bit? I'll extend the same favor to your marines or whatever when they do it, so you may be able to use this in the future.

I'm sure your rocket launchers can rearm as quickly as his did.

I'm sure your rocket launchers can rearm as quickly as his did.

You got a point there, but I'd like to see his response. Because when he was responding I was posting, so, meh.

Gotta clean the bathrooms...sorry.

Since my fleets are being tended to, and the flare could have been seen, mind letting me rearm a bit? I'll extend the same favor to your marines or whatever when they do it, so you may be able to use this in the future.

Let me consult my concious...

:meditates:

Okay... Ill edit the message so its directed at Aquatio(who STILL needs to post losses from my SAM attack on his planes).

Sorry I haven't been posting a lot, been busy with work and house-work...and been kinda under the weather. I'll do my best to catch up. *smiles*

Thanks Jenrak for that allowed break, I needed it. Would have been hell trying to go through all that with the state of mind I'm in again. XD

Yes, yes, post damages for my new missile attack and all will be well and good.

PS:Thos Spec-Ops men... where are they landing?

Yes, yes, post damages for my new missile attack and all will be well and good.

PS:Thos Spec-Ops men... where are they landing?

What damages? No one attacked me yet. XD


(For P.S.) The Spec-Ops men are landing on the Northern beaches, about where the Motherland fleet is at, attemping to sneak in through rivers and streams that may be there.

There is one team that I failed to mention that should be landing in the North-Western part of the island. If I'm correct, the Second Anagonian Battlegroup should be preparing soon to land its fleet.

IC:The Red Tidean forces had reloaded their launchers... now, for the third time, Surface-Surface Anti-Ship Missiles screamed down towards the hapless fleets. This time, however, they were faster and had more powerful warheads. Unfortuantly they were bigger to. As the last Anti-Ship Missile left its mobile launcher, said launchers scurried off to alternate firing positions. Once there they would begin reloading... this time with something much more ominious, the Red Tidean R-85 Tactical Ballistic Missile. With a range of 200 kilometers, this SRBM was had one of the best accuracies in the world. It was capable of delivering conventional and WMD warheads with a whopping CEP(Circular Error Probability) of 10 meters... accurate enough to strike a medium sized ship.

THAT attack. Its post #70.

http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Military&action=display&thread=1103679290

All weapon systems derived from here. Some equipment is specifically advanced and designed for Special Forces Operations.

My Thanks to The Phoenix Militia for allow me to post these specs on my boards after I purchased them, and all are copyright to him.

I'm still waiting for Red Tide to respond to my attack before I can begin landing troops.

Oh, and I completely forgot about land vehicles in my post. ::facepalm:: *edits*

Sorry Czardas, we were probably posting at the exact same time. By the time I saw your post I had to go to lunch. Will get on it ASAP!

*bites Anagonia*

*bites Anagonia*

Buh?

*bites Anagonia*

*whines and cries*

I'm sorry! Hey xeno, its what I would do to anyone who would do a pure OOC post on something not conerning it. No offense, and I did GENTLY show you here. Come on man, I'm sorry...

*whines and cries*

I'm sorry! Hey xeno, its what I would do to anyone who would do a pure OOC post on something not conerning it. No offense, and I did GENTLY show you here. Come on man, I'm sorry...

*puffs up into a semi-non-threatening ball of fluff* Howcome you stopped RPing with my Xenos anyhow? =p You're missing some pretty big action.

Sorry Czardas, we were probably posting at the exact same time. By the time I saw your post I had to go to lunch. Will get on it ASAP!
Lunch? At this hour?

Ah well. I'm responding with further attacks against you now. Be prepared for some... surprises.

XENO-

Go ahead and make postages, I'll have one Sepc-Ops team discover you and the like. Make postages, and we'll continue from there.

Red Tide2-

Alright, this is not a complaint, just a logical fact. Your SAM Batteries HAVE to be empty by now, from what I've thrown, and czardas has, they have to be at least low and out of ammunition at some stage. Cause no ammo is everlasting, not even mine.

*laughs a bit aggitated* Those whirlwind emplacements have to be low too, with all I've done.

My Microwave Jammers are getting smarter, so they'll be able to comphensate for most of the missiles next time around.

What I dont get, (Although I havent been following that theatre much) is why You are attacking where he has all these defences? Surely his whole island isnt covered in the things? Unless its really small for the nation population?

What I dont get, (Although I havent been following that theatre much) is why You are attacking where he has all these defences? Surely his whole island isnt covered in the things? Unless its really small for the nation population?

Maybe because everywhere I seem to go theres defenses? I dunno, kinda hard to say. But its better on taht shore line, especially because theres only cannons, and I have battleships. The two go together perfectly!

*pats his back*

You know, I have MORE transports on the Second Battle Fleet than I do with the first. Thats my strategy there, albiet stupid, but still.

-Czarda

Thank the LORD your here, I was thinking I was doomed!

Could I launch my Cruise missiles and you keep them darn enemy missiles out? I'd seriously love to take out some missile and....well....maybe that giant radar dish thats giving me trouble.

You don't have to thank me for anything, it's just my duty as an RPer. :)

Red Tide, still waiting for you to see my post. You -are- getting those cluster bombs despite your best efforts... and you just wasted a heck of a lot of ammo. Unless your SAMs are immune to one of the most powerful EM systems in existence—which would cost quite a bit more for just 20,000 SAMs than your defense budget can afford according to NSEconomy—you're kind of screwed. Same goes for the ballistic missiles.

Well I did say in that other thread that my nation has enough ammo to last my military a decade or two of heavy fighting(you would be surprised as HELL at how many arms factories the Tech-Com Corporation has)(PS:These stores have been built up over the years)... and the Red Tidean Logistical Ops is quite efficient. Now... the MDM-4 Launchers are connected to the battery command post via wires... as are the command posts to the RADAR and LADAR Antennae by wire... but the connection to the MDM-4 Battalion Command Posts is... wireless. F-U-C-K! :Begins work on self-guided SAM... QUICKLY:

And in other news... those EM things... their pretty brilliant... who thought of that? Anyways, Ill get around to posting damages from the cluster bombs as soon as I can.

Actually, the AWACS planes used by modern militaries have similar capabilities, although they're not quite so advanced yet... I got this idea from Silver Sky National Arms, but I'm sure TSS wasn't the first one to think of it. I'm not all too sure who was.

See you tomorrow.

Nuuuu....I'll have to edit my post.....seeing as my battleship isn't dead afterall! w00t!

Anyway, gotta go get nephew real soon, lets continue with Captain Samson and the beach-head. Leave the missile and fleets out of this until we finish there. Of course, the battleships play a big part, so they stay XD. Just no air stuff until we finish.....

Na, maybe just Samson! I'm happy now...Czarda's my BBBEEESSST buddy cause he saved my second fleet *pets his Motherland Fleet* Poor baby, taken a beatin already.

Actually, without the GPS, all that really does to the Ballistic Missiles is make them somewhat more inaccurate. They are mostly self-guided. Itll be my last mass missile attack for awhile anyways.

Maybe I forgot to say this... but when I handed over the command to the Anagonian forces, i ment in full scale, I'll do the random Semi-Rogue(not foolish) act or something of the sort, but on the death toll... Anagonia, you got the control

Maybe I forgot to say this... but when I handed over the command to the Anagonian forces, i ment in full scale, I'll do the random Semi-Rogue(not foolish) act or something of the sort, but on the death toll... Anagonia, you got the control

Post your force strength again, I forgot it XD

And as for you Red Tide2, don't make me bring out my dang 747 equiped with chemical lasers. I've been playing nice! Lol.

*chews on Anagonia's shoe* Hmmm. I dunno.. I'm not sure if XSS1 will be involved in the war brewing between Star Zero and that other guy. I know the Xeno will step in, but I doubt the fighting will reach XSS1.

*chews on Anagonia's shoe* Hmmm. I dunno.. I'm not sure if XSS1 will be involved in the war brewing between Star Zero and that other guy. I know the Xeno will step in, but I doubt the fighting will reach XSS1.

Post in the war thread, like your on the hills right? Well, post that your waiting to see anything, then I'll sneak up behind ya or something. Would be fun, maybe a few suprises in store.

Meh... 1000 Infantry men, 50 are great snipers

Gotta go people, sorry, I'll post tomorrow.

OOC;Then what are those stealth aircraft? THOSE are what I am firing at.

Oy...I can't handle much more. Lol. I've been playing nice lately, but I'm gonna get serious next post..... *sighs* Anyway. Lol. Its been cool so far.

Oh... I have still have some more tricks up my sleeve.

RT2, do you need allies, or have you got enough strategy up your sleeve to beat them? ICly I'd support the invaders but back TLA, Leafanistan and McKagan, but since it's a dogpile and I have my own conflict to attend, I can't.

So do I. Meet the Czardaian Air Force.

Ill pull in Colerica and the rest of the Imperial Confederacy(which, admittidly, is pretty much dead) if I need to.

I wouldn't recommend it, I'm not using my Alliances, so I would believe that you wouldn't do the same. Of course, if dogpile goes to worse, then I'll call on everyone. Right now, this is a battle mainly between me and you, in all seriousness. The other Coalition members are there too, yes, but adding more to an already crowded scene is not a good idea.

Specifically because you seem to be able to stand on yiour own anyways, so why need help?

I said if I NEED TO... also, respond to the Ballistic Missile attack please.

I said if I NEED TO... also, respond to the Ballistic Missile attack please.

I'll let one go through, I've been playing too nice with the sea sparrows.

The Sea Sparrow is incapable of ballistic missile interception...

The Sea Sparrow is incapable of ballistic missile interception...

Hmm, interesting *looks at ship specs* ....would you allow me to use the chemical lasers I installed? Or the Microwave Lasers? They don't act fast, per-say, but I had them installed a few years ago when I first made the ship. I was kinda worried that you wouldn't of allowed it, so you know.

Anyway, sorr for being an ass, my sisters computer was being crappy and the lot. So, you know. Took a cig break, so I should be alright.

I'll let you decide, I'll post fleet losses after your decision is made. Nay or yea, lol.

Anyway, lemme concentrate on the beach-front.

Lasers? Yeah their fine, can intercept the missiles easily given proper targetting software(which I assume you have), their rather short range makes intercepting many of them difficult.

Lasers? Yeah their fine, can intercept the missiles easily given proper targetting software(which I assume you have), their rather short range makes intercepting many of them difficult.

Priciate it, their powered by the Hydrogen Reactors inside the Carriers, so if anything, their based off that kind of energy.

Otherwise, here we go.....

DAMMIT! I wrote a long, well thought out post about how I had moved up my Anti-Tank Guns and your tanks had moved into their range and got fired on. Also, I had two more divisions come in for reinforcements(a Mechanized-Infantry and a Armored). I even posted how the armored division brought with it 20 MDM-3 MLRS Launchers that fired 240 rockets carrying 160,560 submunitions(about 1/4 of which are of the anti-tank type BTW(and the rest being anti-infantry)). OH and Aquatio, every one of those stealth aircraft you sent have been targetted with 6 MDSM-4s each. BUT JOLT ATE IT!

In summary:

Anagonias tanks rolled into range of my AT-175s(which have a longer range then Anagonias tanks).
I fired 160,560 submunitions via Artillery Rockets, some of which can make mincemeat out of tanks.
My division recieved reinforcements
AND Aquatios Aircraft have been targetted by a bunch more SAMs.

I am sorry, but I am simply NOT willing to rewrite that IC post!

DAMMIT! I wrote a long, well thought out post about how I had moved up my Anti-Tank Guns and your tanks had moved into their range and got fired on. Also, I had two more divisions come in for reinforcements(a Mechanized-Infantry and a Armored). I even posted how the armored division brought with it 20 MDM-3 MLRS Launchers that fired 240 rockets carrying 160,560 submunitions(about 1/4 of which are of the anti-tank type BTW(and the rest being anti-infantry)). OH and Aquatio, every one of those stealth aircraft you sent have been targetted with 6 MDSM-4s each. BUT JOLT ATE IT!

In summary:

Anagonias tanks rolled into range of my AT-175s(which have a longer range then Anagonias tanks).
I fired 160,560 submunitions via Artillery Rockets, some of which can make mincemeat out of tanks.
My division recieved reinforcements
AND Aquatios Aircraft have been targetted by a bunch more SAMs.

I am sorry, but I am simply NOT willing to rewrite that IC post!

Artillery Missiles? You do realize my Hydrogen laser are going to have a field day, right? Well, whatever, I'll respond to it and have some FANTASTIC fun. Cause, you know, it would have taken some time for the slow moving tank convy to get into range from where they were at.

W00t Thank you for allowing me to have those lasers, life savers they are...

Not exactly... you see, these are not going in range of your lasers, plus, the rockets blow apart at 4,000 feet to release the submunitions. I would LOVE to see someone stop 160,560 submunitions the size of grapefruits(in the case of the AP ones) and crows(in the case of the AT ones) moving at mach 8. ITS IMPOSSIBLE!

And given the range of MLRSs... no it wouldnt. MLRSs are the longest ranged artillery platforms on the planet, and with a top speed of 60 kilometers, my MBT-66 is anything but 'slow'.

Not exactly... you see, these are not going in range of your lasers, plus, the rockets blow apart at 4,000 feet to release the submunitions. I would LOVE to see someone stop 160,560 submunitions the size of grapefruits(in the case of the AP ones) and crows(in the case of the AT ones) moving at mach 8. ITS IMPOSSIBLE!

How are they out of Range? I shot them in mid-flight with wide angle and concentrated beams.

Sure, the launchers are out of range, but not the missiles. I gurantee it! *thumbs up* I'm havin fun spoiling your plans. *evil laugh*

Its the atmosphere, lasers are distorted and, therefore given reduced power the farther they go. Besides, they are aimed at your little tank convoy, not your ships.

One day Im going to RP with only RL approved weapons.
As much as I like the idea of invented weapons, they cause hassle like this.

Its the atmosphere, lasers are distorted and, therefore given reduced power the farther they go. Besides, they are aimed at your little tank convoy, not your ships.

Wait, did you say IN the atmosphere? Meaning, like....their NEAR space? Or what? Because either way, I can't loose those tanks XD. I will loose them if we can't find a logical solution to this.

MLRSs ARE real weapons... take a look at this: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/

Uhh... the we are at the lowest, therefore, thickest layer of the atmosphere. Therefore the distortion of the lasers is to much. As a point defense weapon for ships, they work fine. For long range shooting down of missiles, unless said missiles are ICBMs and said lasers are in outer-space, they suck.

One day Im going to RP with only RL approved weapons.
As much as I like the idea of invented weapons, they cause hassle like this.

There actually are lasers like that being built, and weapons like Czarda's is using.

Look, if this is gonna become a technobabble fest, I'll gladly accept losses. Ok? But, what I'm saying is, that the lasers would have cought them in time and destroyed them. I'm NOT saying that this would happen again, no, its just they were launched and cought.

Now if you want me to repost that thgeir out of range, ect. ect. I'll do that, if only to avoid someone telling me I godmodded and all that jazz.

... maybe this war was a bad idea...

...maybe.....but.....seriously....Were not going to blow your country up or anything, we just want to take out your government.....

Either way, even if I take losses, I'm sending more and more until I have no more, or until I reach RESERVES, then those stay and portect the country.

You seem to have an unlimited supply of stuff, so why can't I have a bag of tricks? I'm not saying were gonna need to have a stalemate, I'm just saying what we need to do is figure out what would make this battle a fair play.

If we can do with lasers, fine, that'll help me with your seemingly Uber amounts of ammo.

Look, once I get a foothold, and this is why I'm being so hard because I want a foothold, we can deal with all these things. What I want is to have a fair battle, so do you, and I don't want any more losses than you have.

Lets just talk this out, because I want to finish this. XD

I just don't see how you could realisticly build so many "whirlwind" guns to thickly cover the beaches of your whole country. Or how they can keep on firing and firing and never run out of ammo.

They'd cost millions upon millions of dollars each, and they'd need ammo..

*shrugs paws*

Maybe I just don't like the whole "I'll powergame until you stop attacking" style of play.

I never doubted those missile thingys existed. As for lasars, well they are being built, well into experimental stage. Not exactly standard army use.

But c'mon guys keep up this war! You will get threw. Eventually.

I just don't see how you could realisticly build so many "whirlwind" guns to thickly cover the beaches of your whole country. Or how they can keep on firing and firing and never run out of ammo.

They'd cost millions upon millions of dollars each, and they'd need ammo..

*shrugs paws*

Maybe I just don't like the whole "I'll powergame until you stop attacking" style of play.

I think this si what is happening here, and its not good.

I mean, the last time someone attacked me with nukes, I was nuked. Even my defenses of Microwave Lasers couldn't comphensate for it, and I was fair. My nukes hit them, and so on and so forth. I've been more than liberal with my damages, nice almost. My defenses should have been better.

Its just I don't like that, and hell I'll be pissed if someone invaded me, sure. But I don't HAVE unlimited ammo, nor do I have unlimited shells or men. Its the decision of Red Tide2, I mean, I'll admit the lasers are a powergame in a way, seeing as he has unlimited missiles I needed something to comphensate.

I wanted a fair and fun war *shrugs* Nothing more. Maybe we can do that Xeno, wanta have a war? *chuckles*

EDIT:

I'll be willing to continue, I just want a fun war, period. What about you Red Tide?

I thought this was MT. Not.. "What kind of technology we'd have with absolutely unlimited money and billions of brilliant scientists working 24/7". It's supposed to be MODERN TECH.

I thought this was MT. Not.. "What kind of technology we'd have with absolutely unlimited money and billions of brilliant scientists working 24/7". It's supposed to be MODERN TECH.

I noted that, then my fleet met the umlimited barrage of missiles. So far, thats my only INTRUSION into MT. My sensory sysetm is much like Czarda's, its just that my nation LOVES microwaves so they use that.....

Modern tech......maybe we should stick to that....ACK, HEADACHE!

Wait, I have an Idea! Lets do a Peace Treaty, one that states that Red Tide Government would be changed and the Coalition would forever be disbanded against it after the change. Thats our mission, right? I mean, this could be ended with that, and simply that.

I just have one small question... Where are the units I sent ya, Attacking Tech-Farm, or Up the hills?

Despite opposing you in the war, Anagonia, I support you OOC on the technology/powergaming issues.

I just have one small question... Where are the units I sent ya, Attacking Tech-Farm, or Up the hills?

Their the Main Attack Force, still with the Motherland Fleet. I told you I wasn't gonna use you as cannon fodder.

And as for Xeno, thank you.

Wait, I have an Idea! Lets do a Peace Treaty, one that states that Red Tide Government would be changed and the Coalition would forever be disbanded against it after the change. Thats our mission, right? I mean, this could be ended with that, and simply that.

I would gladly support that.

Alright, in all seriousness, you have stated that you have enough ammunition to hold out for a decade. How much is that, actually, and where is it being stored? I realize the stores may be hidden, but you've fired upwards of 10,000 missiles of various types and we've seen no indication of any of your launchers being resupplied. If you're moving the anti-ship launchers as often as all that, its unlikely that they're going to be lugging many reloads with them, or that you'll be able to coordinate resupplies on the sly. I guess I'm not really an expert, but...

The thing is I dont have UNLIMITED stores of ammo... I have MASSIVE stores of ammo. I have had plenty of time to prepare my forces, given the paranoia of my goverment(it see's potential threats everywhere, even in some of our allies), and have stockpiled vast quantities of missiles, bullets, and such. It makes sense that I would use them. Given the EXTREME standardisation of my army(all my small arms are 6.8mms for example), its relatively easy to mass produce ammo.

I have alreadry stopped the massed missile attacks until I figure an effective countermeasure to Czardian EM Beams(other then self-guided missiles). Also, Modern-Tech (from my perspective) goes up until 2020. I do, occasionally, cross into Post-Modern Tech(especially in the way my soldiers are 'trained'), but never into Future Tech.

Also, I dont really WANT to change goverments. The reason? I like playing the bad guy.

The storage areas are mostly in the central desert, with the exception of the naval ones, which are posted at the naval ports. Your best bet to killing off my resupplies is to hit my Infrastracture, namely the numerous railroads that criss-cross the island. The problem with that is that you have to get through my air defense grid. Which is quite formidable.

PS:I have seen people launch upwards of thirty thousand missiles in some cases.

I would gladly support that.

Alright, in all seriousness, you have stated that you have enough ammunition to hold out for a decade. How much is that, actually, and where is it being stored? I realize the stores may be hidden, but you've fired upwards of 10,000 missiles of various types and we've seen no indication of any of your launchers being resupplied. If you're moving the anti-ship launchers as often as all that, its unlikely that they're going to be lugging many reloads with them, or that you'll be able to coordinate resupplies on the sly. I guess I'm not really an expert, but...

Indeed. I just feel that the defensive aspect of this hasn't been done realisticly at all.

I'm struggl;ing to find a solution, and I can't. The only thing I can find is using the M3A3's missile packs, and the M102's missile packs to destroy the missiles, or whatever. That could be an alternate solution, what say you Red Tide2?

What missiles? Are you talking about the Tactical Rockets? Because that wouldnt work as the Submunitions are ejected into the air at 4,000 feet. And I would DAMn well love to see someone hit something the size of a grapefruit/crow going mach-8. Given that Anti-Tank Missiles are only powered for the first 1/4th of their flight, they would never make it up there.

What missiles? Are you talking about the Tactical Rockets? Because that wouldnt work as the Submunitions are ejected into the air at 4,000 feet. And I would DAMn well love to see someone hit something the size of a grapefruit/crow going mach-8. Given that Anti-Tank Missiles are only powered for the first 1/4th of their flight, they would never make it up there.

SIGH

Fine, I'll loose the damn tanks. Thats what you want, isn't it? Eeesh....I'll be coming back stronger anyways. Good thing that wasn't half of my force.

I'll post tomorrow, Ok? No insults ment.

Err... okay...

I still think that the defensive weaponry isn't being done realisticly AT ALL. Weapons that never need to reload, and tons and tons of those weapons.. that all have precision aim, all just HAPPEN to be at the area where Anagonia is landing?

Just pure powergaming.

They are do not happen to be at the same area Anagonia lands. My MDM-4s have a long range(the 1,500 batteries of them are spread across the Northern Area), my SSM Launchers can fire multiple missile types, Etc, Etc... and their alternate launching points are preplanned.

They are do not happen to be at the same area Anagonia lands. My MDM-4s have a long range(the 1,500 batteries of them are spread across the Northern Area), my SSM Launchers can fire multiple missile types, Etc, Etc... and their alternate launching points are preplanned.

I don't see how your weapons, being spread out everywhere are able to track, set up, launch and then travel to... Anagonia's missiles BEFORE the missiles even hit. And they never reload.

Just.. weak.

1,500 batteries is 15,000 launchers... each launcher carries 12 missiles. So thats... 180000 missiles. And they have ranges of 300 kilometers.

Okay.. aside from spending trillions of dollars on the launchers, what makes YOUR missiles able to detect, track the path of and then ATTACK his missiles, faster than his missiles can fly in a straight line?

And if the launchers are anything as advanced as a Patriot (By the way, not even the Patriot has an accuragy range like you're trying to give your missiles) PAC-3.. also, the PAC-3 costs $200 MILLION dollars each, and they have like 8 tubes.

To buy 15,000 Patriot PAC-3s, you'd have to spend 3 TRILLION dollars. That's not counting the cost of the missiles, or maintaince cost.

And you claim you have 15,000 defending every point on your coast? To defend a landmass the size of Pennsylvania so that 15,000 launchers with a range of 300 kilometers can target an object at any given time.. you'd need something around 240,000 launchers. If they were Patriot 3s, that'd cost 480 TRILLION dollars.

For 15,000 launchers, you'd need at LEAST 15,000 arms trucks, which usually carry 2 reloads. But for a launcher that requires 12 missiles? I'm not so sure a truck could carry more than 1 reload. Not to mention the time it takes to reload.

Where is the resupply train? 15,000 military targets on the roads, loaded down with ammunition.

Well lets see, My missiles are smaller and move at mach-5. My Battery control posts are capable of multi-targetting, the task of calculating the flight path could easily be done with a desktop computer devoted to that task, given that the Battery Command Post is a truck, it could easily hold a bunch of computers. The missiles are fed information from the Command Post via wireless communication. Its actually pretty simple.

The main problem with my launchers is the fact that each battery is controlled by a single command post. If that command post is destroyed, it takes the entire launcher system offline. Its more effiecient to destroy the Battery Command Posts then it is to even attack the Battalion Command Posts.

Another problem is the fact my missiles are Semi-Active ones. That means a disruption of wireless communications will make them go dumb. Fortunantly my wireless communications are pretty damn good.

As for the cost of my launchers... did I say I manufactured them ALL at one time? NOOOOO! I have stated NUMEROUS times that my weapons stockpile has been built up over time. The fact that my soldiers dont get paid helps free up alot of money in my defense budget.

I don't see how you can say a smaller missile is going to move faster. ESPECIALLY with such a huge range. An air-to-air missile doesn't move that fast, -and- it has a shorter range.

Speed takes fuel. The less fuel you have, the shorter the range and lower the speed.

You think THATS bad? There are people with missiles that move mach-5 and are moderately manueverable and sized that go 700 KILOMETERS! ASK THEM! I assume it has something to do with increasing the fuel efficiency.

You think THATS bad? There are people with missiles that move mach-5 and are moderately manueverable and sized that go 700 KILOMETERS! ASK THEM! I assume it has something to do with increasing the fuel efficiency.

It's nothing to do with fuel efficiency. It's just a load of unrealistic crap.

This is MODERN TECH. Not FUTURE TECH people. Jesus. What you're using is NOT modern.

SA-20 has range of 400 kilometers: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-400.htm

SA-20 has range of 400 kilometers: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-400.htm

#1 That's a really big missile. According to documentation, they fit 4 on a truck. You have x3 as many on a truck.

#2 It costs something like $180 million dollars per platform as of 2000. It's probably closer to $185 million per platform now. That's for one able to launch 4 missiles. Taking common sense into account, a platform big enough to fit 12 of these things would cost around $350 million dollars, it'd be too big for normal roads and likely not be able to travel cross-country.

#3 Did you even read the rest of that particular documentation? It's a money pit.

On condition of normal funding, radars with an acquisition range of 500-600 km should become operational by 2002-2003. However, other sources report that while it was ordered by the Defence Ministry, the military has nothing to pay for it with, so it is unclear when the Russian military will get this new weapon.

The Russian Air Force is studying a reduction in the number of types of air defense weapons, and it is possible that Triumf will become the only system being developed, providing defense both in the close-range and mid-range as well long-range zones.

When we get this resolved, tell me XD.

This is...like...wow....something ODD is happening here...it must be the FORCE....

Yes... There is a Disruption in the force... And to solve it, we must destroy Mankind!


So who's with me!?

FUCK! MY DAMNED INTERNET CRASHED ON ME IN THE MIDDLE OF TEH POST! Ah well.

Summary of what I was going to post:

The Lasers did nothing. There are a vareity of reasons. One being the atmosphere distorted the lasers to much to go TWENTY KILOMETERS! Another being that, while missiles are have thin skins and are made of aluminum. Tanks, APCs, and mobile armored AA vehicles are made of different, much tougher materials and have much thicker armor. The artillery was not affected by the lasers because they are a good fourty kilometers away from your carriers. The nearest SSM Launchers are NINETY kilometers away from your carriers, so killing them is out of the question. I MUST reiterate myself. Lasers, unless used in space, make great point(key word, POINT! As in CLOSE IN!) defence but VERY poor offensive weapons.

The bombardment took out a battery and a half of my artillery, the reasons being that the artillery guns are a bit more spread out and in a more staggered line then last time.

Most of the bombs fell short of their targets. But you did manage to take out another 7 MBT-66s and 13 APC-45s.

You have been approached by the Red Tide Goverment about a Peace Treaty with the following terms:

Red Tide will withdraw from Frozopia.
Coalition forces will withdraw from Red Tide.
No reperations will be paid by either side to the other.

IT WORKED, IT WORKED, OMG IT WORKED!

*dances*

*ahem*

You see, I knew all that, yet I knew for a fact one of us would give in. So, intern, I kept on. Knowing my illogical responses would do SOMETHING.

Respectively, I am also happy to see you didn't back out and call me a godmodder. I knew the limitations fo each, but what I wanted to know is when your Logic would get fed up with it....cause we both had some powermonging going on. XD

Too many faults here, I'm just glad it ended well.

I leave for a couple of days and the war ends in my absence... oh well *sighs* I'm withdrawing my forces as well. Too lazy to make an IC post now...