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Let's see... Medieval RP, Alternate History RP, WW1 RP. Why not some ancients RP too?

All ancient cultures are open. Sparta, Athen, Assyrians, Troyans or any other culture you can think of. Choice is yours :)

When enough players hvae signed up, a new IC thread will be posted by me.

Player list so far...

Sparta Dominion: Sparta and Crete
Theao: Norse
Nuralla: Athen
Elite Battle Horde: Carthaginians
Canadstein: Romans
Madnestan: Phoenicians
Toops: East Slavic States
[NS]Kreynoria: Byzantines
Beautancus: Proto-Celts
The Warmaster: Egypt
Roanoke Island: Trojans

Availible cultures:
Israel
North Africans
Assyrians
Persia
Hittities
Corinth
Theibs
Argos

So is this going to be something like an Ancient Earth, or what would be the theme of the RP?
Also are we limited to the Mediterraean nations or are we allowed to take Norse or Asiatic nations as well?

I imagined it to be more or less historical, but I'm not sure what excatly you mean by "like an Ancient Earth". Sorry for being stupid :headbang:

And I don't think its limited to the Mediterrean nations. I would be great to have Norse or Asiatic cultures too. It's great idea! :)

Would it be done in the style of an Earth rp (Ie: Earth X), or would it follow a story outline/or be a war or somesuch.

Can I be Sparta? Sorry if you wanted it, but please, I know quite a bit about it, the government, the childeren, I even named myk nation after it?

Theao,
My idea was to follow the storyline that comes as the RPing goes :) Hopes that is enough answer.

Sparta Dominion,
Of course you can be! :) No problems with that!

Also, some other cultrures to add to your list are Corinth, Theibs, Argos, the greek port city of Byzantium, a part of Persia, and the Egyptians.

Quickly, post like 5 post saying bla bla bla. Then as we go, we can change them into maps, RP lists, ect.

Absolutely right you are! I actually considered adding the Argos to the list in the first post. But i figured it to be more like a group of adventurers rather then a nation.

Ironicly, its could actually be one of the most interesting groups to RP.

So free-form?
Also at what point in time is it based (Ie: Aegean(pre 1600 BC), Myceanean(1600-1200 BC) Dark Ages(1200-800 BC) Ancient(776-323 BC), Hellenistic(323-146 BC) or a more recent form of Greece?)

Probaly about the Myceanean or Dark ages, but not completely decieded yet :) what period do you think would be the best?

I don't know. I was going to make an Earth 2000 BC, but it would have no time based period. Like say, mine would have had the Spartans, Thessalonicans, Trojans, Zooloos, Aztecs, Incas, Mayans all at the same time.

Agreed. Is it OK with everyone if we just have some compination-age of everything we like from Ancient history (cultures, events, wars)?

I like it.:D :D :D :D :D

I don't mind, but the reason I was asking was that tech levels differed(Ie: Bronze age, Copper age, and Iron age(Or in the case of the Americas/Africans Stone age)
I'd like to claim the Norse.

The Norse are yours

I agree that we will have to consider tech-level differences. But not right now, I'm going for dinner ;) possibly back about 6 PM or a little later.

I like copper age. you?

I think copper age should be the default tech level. Some nations might be more advanced, but keep to a realistic (and historical) level.

I'd claim The Athens.

Ok, the list of players so far...
Sparta-Dominion: Sparta
Theao: Norse
Nuralla: Athen

I like this idea but I'd need to do some research to see what nation i could use that was around in 2000bc

Kirisubo,
A more or less complete list of potentially availible culture
Egypt
Ancient Korea
Ancient Japan
Huns
Hittites
Babylon
Ancient Persia
Assyrians

Let me know if you find more :)

Another thing that croped up in my head is whether this is going to be mythological or historical by nature. Many great legends were crafted at this period of history and a lot of them are excellent plot devices.

So, should we play historical or mythological?

Shouldn't we be the Bronze, not Copper, Age? Using Athens and Sparta it seems it would be better to have things take place around the same time as the Illiad, around 1000BC.

Anyway, can I be the Cretans?

Sorry, I mean the Minoans.

1. Kirisubo, it doesn't need to be from 2,000 BC, that was just an Earth I was thinking of making. This is a mixed up time period, to add mor choice to who you can be.

2. Nuralla, why don't you go to the first post and edit to suggest all the new forces you can be that we have suggested. Also add a claims list so we know who has what land. And maybe a place where we can put maps in the future.

3. About mythology, I would suggesst that there are heroes like Bellerophan and Oddyseus, but not mythologykal beasts like Minotaurs, Chimeras, Nemean Lions, and Manticores. Although, centours, I could do with.

4. As far as the land claims go, I call Lakonia, Rhodes, Crete, Cyprus, and the southern half of the Crimea.

5. Elite Battle Hordes, ok, you can have the Minoans.

Sparta, i see what you're getting at.

I would like to play ancient Japan but i doubt i'd have that much to do since the far east may well be undiscovered and the Japanese were xenophobic.

I also wouldn't be happy with fantasy monsters around either.

Romans.

Sparta, you just claimed Crete; doesn't that make it hard for me to be the Minoans?

Oh sorry. You have Crete then.

Done!
Okay, so we've got mythological heroes allowed, but no beasts. And the first post is updated with player lists and availible cultures to claim.

I'm looking forward to RPing with you guys :D

Also with my Roman Empire I want to have Gaul.

does this RP have an actual date of it's start, say like 2000 BCE? or anything like that, it just seems to have more than a few continuity errors.

Continuty is not the most important here. We have this kind of blurred age, a combination of all the good stuff of the Ancient World. You might say its about 2000 BC, but there is no fixed date.

And Canadstein, Gaul is now all yours.

Lets see...

How much of the roman empire are you taking? A part of Italy and Gual, or the whole empire? Try starting small, and conquering other lands.

I just want Italy and Gaul right now.

How much do you think each of us should rule? Canadstein has Italy and Gaul as a part of the Roman Empire, but what about other cultures? How far should kingdoms spread? Who should own what (not just nation, but land)?

What a real hit. Only the second day and already 5 people in it! Aslo so everyone knows, if the city of Sparta is captured, untill taken back, my capital will become Sevastolpal.

For the IC thread, I would suggest a format like this (remember to put links the links to other threads):

ORIGIN
Ancient RP began because...

Charter

The ancient RP has the following rules and decrees...

Claims

the color _____ equals vacation mode
the color _____ equals active...

Sparta (Sparta Dominion): Lakonia, Rhodes, Cyprus, and the southern half of the Crimea.
Minoans (Elite Battle Hordes): Crete...

Maps

Russia
Mediteranian
MiddleEast
Africa...

Role Plays

Attack on Sparta
Burning of Crete
Infibious assult on the Crimea...

OOC Threads

Ancient Roleplay military page...

Don't know. Maybe just something historically accurate. Like I picked Lakonia because it was the Spartan homeland (let alone about the only large, fertile plain in the entire pelopenisus lol).

Neat! Is there anyone who is able to make some maps? My own PC is getting crazy about uploading them, so if anyone is availible, it would be great!

If you can send me black and white ones, I can fill them in. And to add to the culture list, how about the Cicilians. They could own Cicily and Malta. And in the future everyone, not that you have been, please don't mind my bad spelling.

I found a blank map, with moderne borders, however. But I guess that will do.

And Silicians will soon be added to list of availible cultures. Thanks for suggesting them!

http://clarke.lexingtonma.org/teams/explorer/mehler/euoutl.gif

1. Of course, none of the examples in my recomended format are real, but I would recommend putting in the military display thread, as for keeping few, if any, arguements over who's military has what in it.

2. If anyone would like to see my nation, look it up at:

http://www.nationstates.net/sparta_dominion

Great nation! Really has the spartan spirit. Good job!

1. This map works fine. It'll actually be somewhat easier. Example: Because Gual is France, I can just highlight France.

2. There is another question: about mythical heros, say, Bellerophan road on Pegasiss, and Heracles wore the hide of the Nemean lion, will there or won't there be certain exceptions to mythical creatures?

I think its OK to say Heracles wore the lion's hide. Mythology has a tendency to make things bigger then they are, so it might just have been a real big lion.

Perhaps we sould allow SOME creature. The Pegasus is a good example of a unique creature connected to a hero. Those kinds of beasties chould do, I guess.

As the Minoans I have a lack of resources, including manpower, and I only have one mythical hero. In order to balance the game we should give players like me advantages to compensate for our disadvantages. I think giving me Bronze age technology would be fair.

ok, I agree the Minoans can be more technologically advanced. Better armor, better weapons and possiblely better trained soldiers.

But remembers, we ain't supposed to compete. We're supposed to RP and have fun :)

1. I thought everyone would be at the bronze age. Also, you can take other lands in those cases. Like how I have a piece of the Crimea.

2. Actually, about the map, is there a way you could blow it up for me?

Blow it up...? You mean re-sizeing it?

And yes, it is by default bronze age. I have agreed that Minoans have better equipment and such, but your right...
Everybody is bronze age.

Yes. Could you resize it for me?

Also, training will do, but I'm afraid technology wont help. He still lacks the resources. And then, all that has to happen to ruin his fun is for some jerkmoe to stop selling him the resources he needs to make better armor, wepons, and training.

Sure no prob! Just a little unsure what you meant :)

But i've got uploading problems... Can't upload it :S

Hmm what should we do about the Minoan resource problem? Ideas? Suggestions?

I would like to claim Phoenicians, or Foinikians as I have used to call them. I'd propably have no mythological thingies to come up with as them, and neither are the Foinikians famous for their military achievements, but Tyros and Sidon are great and old, prosperous cities with great culture, science and arts.

With the great trade connections and maritime power to secure them, and beeing a rather neutral in conflicts of other countries in the region I could possibly act like a Switzerland of Mediterranean, so to speak :D

Whaddya say?

Like I said before, we could allow him more than merely Crete.

Hmm what should we do about the Minoan resource problem? Ideas? Suggestions?

I trade those to them, no problem. ;)

Ok trade and more territory. Ok with me!

Madnestein, a culture you want to claim?

What other territory could I have? Rome, Athens and Sparta have most everything. I have a suggestion: I will switch to the Carthaginians and have some of North Africa and Spain.

Also, training will do, but I'm afraid technology wont help. He still lacks the resources. And then, all that has to happen to ruin his fun is for some jerkmoe to stop selling him the resources he needs to make better armor, wepons, and training.


Madnestan, about trading the resources, did you read this post?:(

Madnestan, about trading the resources, did you read this post?:(

I did, I did... And the idea of keeping the island kindom under my thumb sounded so good that I even added the ";) ". Even though, wasn't the Minoan culture and wealth actually based on trade in IRL too? And they did just fine. I don't really see any problem here.

The nation with Rome just has Italy and Gual. You can stay the Minoans, just how about we give you Thessaly?

Madnestein, a culture you want to claim?

Uhh...?

I would like to claim Phoenicians, or Foinikians as I have used to call them. I'd propably have no mythological thingies to come up with as them, and neither are the Foinikians famous for their military achievements, but Tyros and Sidon are great and old, prosperous cities with great culture, science and arts.

With the great trade connections and maritime power to secure them, and beeing a rather neutral in conflicts of other countries in the region I could possibly act like a Switzerland of Mediterranean, so to speak :D

Whaddya say?

Sounds fine to me!

Well, I wouldn't mind switching to the Carthaginians either. Besides, that way you can have Crete.

Ok, Elite Battle Hordes, switch to Carthaginians?

Yep.

Confirmed

Fine by me. I just get Crete then, no problem.

Ok, I'll edit the first post accordingly

Sorry but I'm afraid the map you gave me wont work :( . I can't change it from black and white to color.

And you forgot some of my lands: Lakonia (part of Pelopenesus), Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus, and the southern half of the Crimea.

Sorry but I'm afraid the map you gave me wont work :( . I can't change it from black and white to color.


:) Never mind. I figured it out. :rolleyes:

well I guess I can't avoid this thread forever I lay claim to the East Slavic States.

OK. Progress report. The Europe map is almost done. Just 2 things left: Madnestan and Toops, I need to kow exactly what lands you take (can tell me by giving me a modern-day country/s or part of it/them).

Everybody still there?

Yes we are still here!

Toops, the East Slavic States are now yours!

As Carthage I would like what is modern Spain and Tunisia to be my territory.

Eastern coast of Mediterranean, from southern border of Turkey to Gaza. From West-East direction, it's about as broad as Lebanon. Main cities are, from north to south; Arvad, Byblos, Sidon, Tyros, Joppe. Sidon and Tyros are easily the greatest.

Plus this, there are plenty of colonies, Carthage, Spain and Sicilia, Sardinia and Corsica beeing the most important ones. However, in this RP Carthage is separate and independent, I guess those should belong to it rather than me, though this can of course be discussed. If EBH is happy with Tunisia and Spain, I will gladly keep the islands mentioned above.

The list of smaller colonies is:

Ionian islands of Thasos, Lemnos, Lesbos, Syros, Kos, Meloso, Kamiros, Kythera.

In mainland Greece, near the nowadays Thessaloniki: Abdera.
North coast of Turkey, at the Black sea, cities of Amastris and Kuvardis.
East coast of Marmara sea, Pronectus.
South cost of Turkey, Phasellis and Tarsos.
Island of Malta.
City of Kition, in the Eastern Cyprus. Phoenicians controlled the whole island for centuries, but in terms of this RP I'll only claim the easternmost 1/3 of it.

As Crete has also been claimed already, I will ignore the numerous colonies on it.

I am fine with just Tunisia and all modern Spanish territory. I suppose would like Sardinia as well though. I would take a third of Sicily but I thought the Sicilians were going to be independant.

Ok. Right now, I can't do anything outside of Europe, Mediteranian Islands, or Turkey. So I will do whats inside that range, but otherwise I need a map of the middleast and Africa.

well I guess I can't avoid this thread forever I lay claim to the East Slavic States.

Could you tell me exactly what lands you would get being the E.S.S.?

I am fine with just Tunisia and all modern Spanish territory. I suppose would like Sardinia as well though. I would take a third of Sicily but I thought the Sicilians were going to be independant.

And I guess you could have part of Cicily until someone joins as Cicilian cultured.

The part of Sicily is the south western third or so. So, are we still waiting for more people or what?

If at all possible and if you all are still willing to take on new folks, I would like to join in on the fun. There are a number of ancient cultures that I would enjoy playing, I think the Assyrians and the Persians were on the list. Also, it might be interesting to play as the Scythians or as a nation of Proto-Celts on their way into Western Europe.

I love past-tech RPs! Count me in as the Byzantines. Give me Constantinople, the portion of Europe controlled by Turkey, and Bithynia (the little peninnsula on the other side of the Bosporus).

[NS]Kreynoria, the Byzantines are at your command!

If at all possible and if you all are still willing to take on new folks, I would like to join in on the fun. There are a number of ancient cultures that I would enjoy playing, I think the Assyrians and the Persians were on the list. Also, it might be interesting to play as the Scythians or as a nation of Proto-Celts on their way into Western Europe.

Ok. Pick somebody. We have plenty of room left in Europe alone.

Kreynoria']I love past-tech RPs! Count me in as the Byzantines. Give me Constantinople, the portion of Europe controlled by Turkey, and Bithynia (the little peninnsula on the other side of the Bosporus).

Oh shit. I've RPed this guy before (with modern tech). 1 1/2 billion population, frightening economy, and an excellent RPer. This should be interesting and fun.

I think I'll go with the Proto-Celts. I'll have to be a bit creative with place and person names, but I think I can stay true to the historical Celts. So far as territory goes, I think that Poland, north-eastern Ukraine, the Carpathian Mountain Range, and several colonies as far south and west as central Austria. The core of my kingdom will be centered around southern Poland though. I don't think any mythological beasts will be needed, though centaur and gryphons would without a doubt pop up on the Steppe if they popped up anywhere. I'm going to stick the with the Celtic affinity for boar and stags though.

Beautancus, the Proto-Celts is yours! I don't know much about them, but you seem to know what you're talking about. Great!

I might start an IC thread soon. Hmmm...

Please don't start it until the entire Europe is taken.

Don't forget I get the 'nordic' countries(Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Greenland, Faroe Islands and Sweden).

Do you plan on going with a Germanic Tribal feel or with a later Nordic feel Theao?

As I claimed the Norse lands, I'm going with the Nordic line.

Yes, yes, what I meant was are you going with the Gothic/Saxon/Frisian early Germanic "Teutons" or are you going with the later Germanic Nords/Vikings/Varangians. They all came from the area you control.
You answered my question already though.

I'd like to join as Egypt, covering the Nile Delta & Valley as far south as Nubia, and extending across the Sinai Peninsula as far as the southern border of Phoenicia, but I'd like some questions answered.

1. Somebody said something about "we're not here to compete". But we are going to fight militarily and politically, right? There would be little point otherwise, after all...

2. I'd like to suggest you make the North African Berbers and/or the Israelites optional civilizations. If not, thats fine; just an idea.

3. There was also something about not starting until Europe was filled...that could take a while. Are we really going to wait for that?

4. Is there an IC thread for the RP yet? If not, lets get this show on the road if possible. If so, can someone give it to me?

You know what, could you forget what I said about not wanting all historical Carthaginian territory? I wasn't thinking before and now realize that they would lose their primary source of income without all those islands.

Warmaster, Eggypt is now yours.

I said that we ain't here to compete, but I might have been a little wrong. I just meant that we shouldn't take our range of resources and hordes of men too seriously.

And no, there has not been a IC thread posted yet. But soon, it might be.
Oh and I'll add those cultures to the list. Thanks for noting them!

You know what, could you forget what I said about not wanting all historical Carthaginian territory? I wasn't thinking before and now realize that they would lose their primary source of income without all those islands.

Roger that.

The land of nowadays Israel has already been claimed by me - afterall, that was the original Phoenicia. Where are these Jews going to have their home country?

Yeah, that occurred to me. There could be an Israel as well as Phoenicia, cause ancient Israel was a little farther south, but both would end up splitting the already-small Mediterranean coast of the Middle East. Maybe it would be better if that idea got thrown out...but here's another to replace it. How about the Macedonians/Thracians/Balkan tribes in general? They would be an interesting counterbalance to the power of the Greek city-state nations.

I think my Proto-Celts would play a part in checking the northward advance of the Greek City States. The reason I chose the Proto-Celts is because they are the source all of most early European "barbarians" including the Macedonians- who were very Celtic (though there is some debate of the origin of the Thracians, and the Balkan Peoples).

I'd like to join as Egypt, covering the Nile Delta & Valley as far south as Nubia, and extending across the Sinai Peninsula as far as the southern border of Phoenicia, but I'd like some questions answered.

1. Somebody said something about "we're not here to compete". But we are going to fight militarily and politically, right? There would be little point otherwise, after all...

2. I'd like to suggest you make the North African Berbers and/or the Israelites optional civilizations. If not, thats fine; just an idea.

3. There was also something about not starting until Europe was filled...that could take a while. Are we really going to wait for that?

4. Is there an IC thread for the RP yet? If not, lets get this show on the road if possible. If so, can someone give it to me?

I will try to explain the answers as best I can, but the final say is up to Nuralla.

1. Yes we will have battles like so, but Nuralla means by "we're not here to compete" is this is ment to be one of those fun-for-everyone RPs. If somebody dominates 3/4 of Europe, it's only fun for the one guy with the enormous empire.

2. Like Nuralla said, you can be any culture that isn't already taken, but the ones written down are suggestions.

3. I said not to, but it is really up to Nuralla. I am making the maps, so I don't want the IC thread to get cluttered up with all the new claims.

4. Not yet, but Nuralla did say he would make it soon.


Elite Battle Hordes

Ok. Map adjusted. Who would you rather be then?

I would like to be Trojans.

Trojans are yours, my friend.

bump

Ok. What happenned to this thread?

Hmm it went downhill...

So to breathe some life into this again, let's start the IC thread

OOC: Amen.

Nuralla, You do remember the format I gave you for the IC thread, don't you. I believe it's on page 3. And under origin, would you put the link to this thread?

Can everyone start making land claims in Europe? I'm sorry for those who asked for areas outside Europe, but I'm not sure I can do much more. Perhaps some of North Africa and western Middle East, I guess. My claims are Lakonia, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus, and the southern half of the Crimea.

I'm still in if you all are. I think I'll put my territorial claim down firmly as the Ukraine, Romania, and the extreme southern portion of Poland.

You could use something along the lines of the Rome: Total War map. Anyway, the extent of Carthaginian islands should be: Sardinia, western Sicily, Corsica, the Pelagie Islands, the Balearic Islands, Malta, and Djerba. Carthage also has this http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ROME/CAREMMAP.HTM for mainland territory.

...except that Malta is mine, because Phoiniceans still exist in this RP. As is the city of Kition in Cyprus, if possible. It was quite very important part of the Phoenician empire.

I thought Corsica belonged to Madnestan. And I ussume Beautancus would like Moldavia?

Uhm...yeah...about that IC thread. Where is it?

Yes. Nuralla, post the link to it.

If Nuralla comes in here again it will probably be to declare the thread dead.

God help him if he declares the thread dead. All he needs to do is just post a goddamn starting post that doesn't have to say anything important, and let us start. And if he won't then someone else here could.

I just telegrammed Nuralla now at 3:39, P.M.. I requested him to make the IC thread. I also requested that if he doesn't, can I become the new moderator. After all, I was the 3rd to join at the begining of the thread. I hope to get this thread goin'. This will be the first RP I'll have a major part in since Kreynoria attacked me with War on Sparta in Earth II.

Ok. No response. If I don't get one in 3 days, I will start the IC thread myself and post its link here.

But what if it is just us three?

Anyway, I think I will plug my own thread since it is so closely related. I am doing another rp around this time (go to "Classical Mediterranean RP Signup"), it has already started but there are still plenty of nations open.

I'll telegram all particapants to check it out. I spent HOURS on that map.:headbang:

can I be Persia?

Yes. Just be aware that this map is just Europe and the mediteranian coast.

What countries do you have left?

Well, looks like Sparta Dominion is in control now. I hope you're making the IC thread please.

I guess. But I'm involved in Earth II as well, and there's about to be a world war, so I'm pretty busy. But I'll try to get the IC thread up and running.

What countries do you have left?


Some are listed in the front, but you can be anybody you think of, as long as it's not been taken yet, and it's in Europe or the Mediteranian Coast.

Can I be Cyprus? I know it isn't on the list but it is an Ancient Civilization. :D

Taken already...

The Phonecians got Kition so I can still be Salamis.:D

Is anyone going to answer me!!!!!!:headbang:

I'm afraid that this one is dead already.... :(

Hello again. I'm back from a unintensionally long break and I would like to apologize for not having taken part in these forums recently.

I would, however, still like to revive this RP and if everybody is in, i could start a new thread.

I repeat apologizes.

Nice to hear you're still alive! Sure, I for one would love to see this RP actualy starting at some point in the near future.

Yeah, if you want to start it I am game.