NationStates Jolt Archive

For some months they had worked, in secret and alone. Long days spent around a conference table in deep discussion with each other and with aids. At long last though, a result had come through. Appearing out of a little-advertised conference of nations came a new treaty, and a charter of alliance. The International League of Socialist States had risen.

Founded on the principles of socialist governments, open to all proclaimed leftists, and providing a brotherhood of nations as a support net, the ILSS had become a new alliance and an new power. Four powerful nations formed the backbone of the alliance, Blargistania and Aztec National League emerging as the leaders of the alliance, with Nerotika, Anagonia joining the alliance as co-founders and important contributers to the process of forging a charter. These nations seek to establish ties of comraderie among leftist nations of the world and unite as brothers and sisters, military, economic, technically, and socially. Here this call, our fellow nations, and join it.

The International League of Socialist States Charter

The Articles of Common Defense
In these troubled times of international turmoil, states recognize the need to unify and join together in bonds of mutual protection. In this joining of the common bond against the forces of imperialism, this collection of the undersigned states recognizes and commits to a mutual defense pact for the bettering of our world through means of both self-protection and protection of member states from outside forces that would seek to remove the freedoms so hard fought for. All people of all nations are entitled to these freedoms, but they must also be protected. In accordance with these aims, the following articles have been drawn up and approved by all member states.

Article I – Laws of War
No individual nation may, at any time, force upon any other nation its own ideals and beliefs. The sovereignty of all nations is sacrosanct and must not be undermined. In mutual respect with these ideals, no member nation may at any time call upon the alliance to force an imperialistic means of war. No member nation may at any time call upon the alliance to wage a war in which a member state was an aggressor. In any means if a nation in the alliance must declare war against an aggressive nation, the declaration must be justified by the declaring nation and ratified in conference by alliance members. In the basic accordance with the rules of combat, no member nation shall fire the proverbial first shot. No member nation may at any time call upon the alliance to defend itself should it be found that the member nation was infringing on the basic principles the alliance holds true.

Article II – The Cases for the Alliance to be Called to War
The alliance shall, in times of great need, be called to war. The first of these cases shall be in the times of prospects of defense of member nations. Should a member nation of the alliance be found to be in the right of defense and be holding the interest of both the nation and alliance at heart, a call to other member nations may be issued forth. The other member nations, hearing this call issued forth, have the duty and obligation as under signers of this treaty, to respond with sufficient means to remedy the situation for the given call.

The second of these cases for the Alliance to be called to war is in dire situations of the peoples of other nations. When such things as the genocide of a population or the mass executions of a minority plague a nation, the Alliance may be called upon to protect the basic rights and dignities of a population. Only in the most extreme cases, when the atrocities of a sovereign state cannot be borne on the conscious of the world, shall this section of the article be invoked.

Article III – The Given Responses to Calls to Arms
When a call is issued and the leaders of the alliance have decreed a response is necessary, member nations have a duty and an obligation to give a certain level of response. Nations must respond in a timely and honorable fashion to a given call to arms. When a call to arms is issued, the need is dire for the member state and a delay of unnecessary sorts can shift the balance out of favor of the alliance.

Such as these measures are necessary, all member states must issue a response to the call within 24 hours of it given. Within the next 24 hours after a response, a nation must be able to cite the forces it is willing to send to assist the mediation of the call to arms. Within 48 hours of the citation of arms, a nation must be able to begin the mobilization of those forces. A week total shall be given for the member states to begin the transport of troops and materials towards the zone of combat from where the call has been issued.

Article IV – International Aid
At the end of a conflict if any nation, which was not the aggressor in combat, were to need financial support and/or police aid, Alliance members are obligated to report the nation to the ILSS committee and further discussion on sending aid to that nation will result during a meeting of ILSS delegates.

Due to the increasing amount of aid needed in the world the ILSS will form a group based on international aid and causes. Research for diseases will be carried out only under extreme epidemic proportions. International aid is a sensitive matter and under any circumstances where it seems that by helping a nation the ILSS will be drawn into a conflict any aid will be terminated.

Article V – Terror Support
Under any circumstances if any nation under the alliance is cooperating with terrorist organizations and/or groups, the nation will be terminated from the alliance and treated as a traitor. Terrorism will not be tolerated by any nation in the ILSS. If an alliance nation is having trouble with terrorism ILSS members will act in a military manner to support allies in the time of need(See: Article III). Terrorism will be ran out of the country or eliminated within a two year limit, if the limit is hit all ILSS nations currently acting under military support will terminate operations and pull all troops out.

Two years is plenty of time to eliminate potential terrorist threats, the limit will also show ILSS Military strength and ability to eliminate a threat at a quick pace. Terrorism is a growing concern and more laws will be made later on concerning terrorism.

Article VI – Treaties and Alliances (Outside the ILSS)
Nations in the ILSS are allowed to have personal alliances and treaties as long as they don’t interact with other articles in this document. The alliances will be expanded to include the ILSS so as not to create problems in the future. (Example: Nation A is allied to Nation B and is in the ILSS with Nation C, Nation B declares war on Nation C and calls to arms Nation A, Nation A disregards the ILSS document and goes to war against Nation C therefore becoming an enemy of the entire ILSS).

Article VII – Proper Uses of Propaganda
Propaganda first off should not be used by any member to in any way manipulate the minds of the public they serve. Manipulative propaganda is outlawed by the ILSS any nation found to be using propaganda for popular support in war cases and/or government positions will become a potential threat to the ILSS and the member will be investigated. Propaganda though is harmful when being used to aid a liberation force, in any case if the ILSS is called to arms and an invasion of a threatened nation is at hand propaganda will be used to insure that no resistance from the public will have to be dealt with. If a member nation is invaded by an aggressive force the nation has all power to use propaganda to gain military power back in the nation. It seems that the only way to deal with aggressive nations is to be aggressive, therefore if a member nation is invaded by an aggressive nation the aggressive nation will be invaded as soon as the member nation is liberated. (see other articles for reference)

Article VIII - Common Command
During the times of crises and conflict, the International League of Socialist States shall enact into power a directorate of top military leaders from all member states. This directorate will have total command and control power over the allied armed forces of the ILSS. This command shall be comprised of one admiral and one general from each of the member nations, and, in the case of numerous nations, shall be derived from the ten most powerful nations within the alliance. At the cecsation of the hostile actions in which the alliance has engaged, the directorate of military leaders shall dissolve and return to their contries of origin.

The Articles of Economics within the ILSS

Article I – Guidelines for Economic Interaction
At any time, member states may engage in the buying and selling of goods and commodities with any other member state. Member states shall not be barred from this interaction by any other state, regardless of economic politics or diplomatic relational status. Member states shall be neither subject to tariffs nor to shipping fees between one another. The buying and selling of goods shall be fair and open, with all business done in a manner befitting an honest nation amongst a brotherhood of allied states. At no time shall a member state engage in illegal trade, smuggling, thievery, or sabotage of another member state, lest the offending state be removed from the alliance. These guidelines being set, all member states shall engage in fair and open trade as equal partners in an alliance, with a shared market between them.

Article II – Economic Regulating Body
A provisional body of the alliance government shall be established and maintained through alliance funds in order to monitor and regulate the trade of member states within the alliance. This body, shall, upon creation, be tasked with the accounting of all goods sold and bought, all debts, public and private among vendors. This regulatory body shall also be tasked with establishing and monitoring the currency exchange rates according to the economic market indexes of the member states. Should any member state be found in violation of any alliance-created economic treaty, the offending state shall present its economic chief officer, as well as its executive chief officer, to a high tribunal of the regulating committee. There will they be tried in accordance with the crimes committed. This regulating body shall also have the powers to regulate in what manner goods and products from member states are manufactured and dsitributed. This regulating body shall recognize the rights of Unions to organize and the evils of slavery. Should any nation fail to comply with these accords, the offending nation shall stand trial before the aforementioned grand jury.


The above charter is the basis of operation for the ILSS and shall be considered as such. Additions may be made through consensus of signatory nations, through vote, or through special suggestion by signatory nations.

Welcome all brothers and sisters to the grand alliance of the ILSS

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Totus Fides Shaimeng the voice of the almighty and primus maximus of the Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei sends Emmisary Special Ambassador Xiang An to provide information in response to The International League of Socialist States.

ICCD as a peace loving state in beleif in the sanctity and security in mind of mutual and universal global cooperation would like to entreat The International League of Socialist States to expand their membership to include ICCD.

There are some statements that may require clarification they are as follows:

If a member state is to engage in war with a non-member state and a vote is conducted, is the vote required to be unanimous or majority. If it is maority, do decenting voices have the option of non participation or are they obligated to become involved?

How is aid collected and distributed? Is it a dues basis with a governing body, or open donations when an aid issue is presented?

What is terrorism? ICCD does not police it's citizens and does not have prisons. Our citizens are called upon to defend their honour in open warfare, and the state likewise does so for matters of state, but through our Emergency Services Security Branch. All citizens goes through ES training while a vast majority go through Security Training VIA ESSI. Other states may see our open state of Judicial Civil war as terrorist acts but they are legal for our citizens to do within our borders.

Could you provide your definition of terrorism, as ICCD has difficulties understanding the difference between 'war' and terrorism.


Could you explain in specific cases 'Proper Uses of Propaganda'?
ICCD does not exercise 'propaganda' we provide information from a state source, as the state has constructed in our opinion. Isn't all media manipulation? We report the truth but even we admit it is the states opinion only, based upon the information we have. Our main state broadcasters SIS and EBS are broadcast as our means of communicating what citizens should know about the states understanding and are administed by the secreitariats which are elected to their post by popular vote. Everyone has input into what is braodcast via the CAC (Citizens Council). So is this to say purposefull intent to give false information to create an effect? What about for reasons of defence if our communications are being monitored? Can we not give false information to our enemies, if any existed?

On matter of economics two main issues present themselves. The first is that we have a universal 20% tax on all goods and services transfered, this is not to say it is not free trade it is to say that the stae taxes 20% on all goods and services regardless of origin, but this is only done on markup in production price (A greed tax) that is if you make a phone for 1 credit and sell it for 11 credits we will tax 20% on 10 credits or 2 credits.

We do not have patents or copyright in ICCD, but we do have some government trade secrets for national security reasons.

Some of our trade relations are 'confidential' including our banking, we could only give this information to our citizens with proper security clearances.

In regards to manufacting: How is the regulating body chosen? Does every state get a seat in this body? Or is it done some other way? How are votes on new regulations for manufating chosen?

We have production and activity that are national security we do not release that information not even to the public.

What safeguards are there to a member state from betraying us and exposing our national security to attack?

What needs to be declared?

Intracircumcordei we would be more than willing to extend a hand of friendship and alliance to your nation. In answer to your questions:

1. A majority vote is required to take action, however, nations that declare themselves to be non-combatative (the dissenting vote) will be obliged by the international treaty to provide aid in a non-military fashion, either through medical supplies or material production or logistics work.

2. International Aid is worked through both individual nations (if they so wish) as well as through a n ILSS governing body, yet to be negotiated upon and established.

3. Terrorism is the intentional, rational use of violence, either internationally or nationally to incite fear among a populace with the aims of accomplishing an agenda. Private disputes between citizens are not considered to be terrorist acts.

4. The majority of nations within the ILSS believe in an open and free media, however, state-sponsored media will be taken into account. Propoganda is the intentional use of information or misinformation to sway the minds and hearts of a given populace. In the cases of the ILSS, we refrain from commiting such acts within our own nations but grant pardon to it during times of war when the ILSS wishes to have no indigenous resistance.

5. The economic regulating body will look at given issues case-by-case, the regulating body is made up of twelve members of the states of the ILSS, each given a term of two years with all nations rotating positions on the board.

6. Member states are based upon the honor code of interaction with each other. If a nation has a complaint, it can be brought up with the economic regulating body and investigated into. Issues such as betrayal of the alliance shall be dealt with by an immediate expulsion from the ILSS and consideration of a hostile state.

This is wonderful news and a great cause for celebration; before we acceed to the treaty we if posible would like to clarify some remaining points clearer.



1. A majority vote is required to take action, however, nations that declare themselves to be non-combatative (the dissenting vote) will be obliged by the international treaty to provide aid in a non-military fashion, either through medical supplies or material production or logistics work.



So in effect a dissenting voice would be forced to assist a war they do not agree to, even if it is one of agression. How are these roles determined, are combat forces pooled under a central command or are they commanded and coordinated by the respective states miitaries. That is how does the command structre work during times of combat both for combat forces and noncombat forces. How much assistance to a war is required, is this by each states determination of their required war effort or by a detached body in which may or may not have state representations or veto, i..e. another majority vote body.




2. International Aid is worked through both individual nations (if they so wish) as well as through a n ILSS governing body, yet to be negotiated upon and established.


Is this negotiation to be full support or majority to be ratified?



3. Terrorism is the intentional, rational use of violence, either internationally or nationally to incite fear among a populace with the aims of accomplishing an agenda. Private disputes between citizens are not considered to be terrorist acts.



Would policing be considered terrorism, as it aims to use the deterance of use of physical force to accomplish the agenda of a set policy of a state. So when saving private desputes between citizens are not considered terrorist acts would this also include Totus Fides personal guard, as we are all private citizens, it just happens that Totus Fides is also the voice of the almighty. So the will of Totus Fides is the will of the State. So it is just the attempt to create 'fear', we do not understand that concept as well have faith and are one with the almighty, how is it that others fear excet through ignorance and lack of faith?



4. The majority of nations within the ILSS believe in an open and free media, however, state-sponsored media will be taken into account. Propoganda is the intentional use of information or misinformation to sway the minds and hearts of a given populace. In the cases of the ILSS, we refrain from commiting such acts within our own nations but grant pardon to it during times of war when the ILSS wishes to have no indigenous resistance.



We aim to make people happy and offer programming that gives them information that can let them plan their days, to know if it will rain and if they need sunscreen, we do not intend it as propaganda but if we did not tell them how would they know? What about the marketing and advertising firms on Private Television, would we need to shut them down? Are their set guidines to how products are to be displayed or how they can demonstrate a cruise, what shots are allowable, what people are 'realistic' as to be on camera?


5. The economic regulating body will look at given issues case-by-case, the regulating body is made up of twelve members of the states of the ILSS, each given a term of two years with all nations rotating positions on the board.



I see so just to clarify all we need to do is let unbiased trade occur and give information on various stuff that our industries report to our Tresury and Infrastructure Ministries.

Would being at war prevent ICCD joining the ILSS.

Brettonian Public Statement:

Ah, you silly Kibbutzniks, at it again. When will you people learn that capitalism will always outshine collectivism? Well, enough of this.

As is our policy, we never have and never will embargo any interested party; to this effect, Brettonian Military Industries, producers of The Technology of Peace(tm), will still happily oblige your alliance's inevitable requests for hardware once the.... more 'aggressive' free-marketers come knocking at your doors. I believe your types call them 'fascists' or something to that effect?

Bretton, you misunderstand the point of the alliance presented here. The ILSS is a defensive organization, meant for mutual protection. I do not believe we will need to purchase your wares either, for as you may have noticed, the backbone of the ILSS is made up of socialist economic super-powers, showinf that time and again, not only is socialism misunderstood, it is the also the best way to run a government. So long as one does not cross the alliance, one has nothing to fear from the alliance.

The Socialist Union of Nerotika is glad to be apart of such a great alliance...though our leader President Naki Lok has just committed suicide, we are still a stronge socialist state and are electing a new leader (even if its democraticly)

We are also glad to be classified as an economic strength.

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sorry I haven't been maintaining this, lots of stress with school this last week, but things are being slowly sorted out. I should be active again here the beginning of next week.

Brettonian Public Statement:

Ah, you silly Kibbutzniks, at it again. When will you people learn that capitalism will always outshine collectivism? Well, enough of this.

As is our policy, we never have and never will embargo any interested party; to this effect, Brettonian Military Industries, producers of The Technology of Peace(tm), will still happily oblige your alliance's inevitable requests for hardware once the.... more 'aggressive' free-marketers come knocking at your doors. I believe your types call them 'fascists' or something to that effect?


Intracircumcordei would be very interested in learning what BMI has to offer. We do produce our own hardwear but are always looking for new and improved technologies. Feel open to contact Intracircumcordei, located in the EP with any economic, security, social plans.

Likewise we would like to express our state as open for freemarket business subject to our 20% goods and services markup on differential production value tax.

I belive that we should open a market...ILSS military surplus and such.

Yes, we should, and create the worlds FIRST maintained self-sustained Alliance Economy....well, not the FIRST....but...something to that effect.

OOC: Sorry this has taken me so long to get back to, I've had a bunch of school-related issues to work out. Anywhi



To the Government of the Intracircumcordei-

All of your questions have their merits, and we believe that the ILSS has created a set of standard practices from which your questions may be addressed.

So in effect a dissenting voice would be forced to assist a war they do not agree to, even if it is one of agression. How are these roles determined, are combat forces pooled under a central command or are they commanded and coordinated by the respective states miitaries. That is how does the command structre work during times of combat both for combat forces and noncombat forces. How much assistance to a war is required, is this by each states determination of their required war effort or by a detached body in which may or may not have state representations or veto, i..e. another majority vote body.

Yes, when the majority of the Alliance goes to war, the terms of the alliance state that all member nations must also go to war, otherwise it is not an alliance but a loose collection of states acting individually. Nations do have the choice of supporting the war through non-combative means though, effectivly giving their voice as a refusal to fight without damaging the cohesivness of the overall alliance. As to wars of aggression, the ILSS charter specifically states that no member state shall engage the assistance of the alliance if they are in fact the aggressor in the conflict.

Combat forces are indeed pooled under a joint command of two (2) of the top ranking brass from each of the six oldest and most powerful nations within the alliance. Those forces are then commanded in the same fashion as would the armed forces of any nation-state acting upon its own will. All forces, combative and non-combative are placed under the direction of this commanding body for the duration of the conflict.

Assistance given to an effort is determined by how much the individual nation-state can spare for the war effort, but the alliance, in times of war, expects nation-states to help as much as they can in whichever facet they choose.


Would policing be considered terrorism, as it aims to use the deterance of use of physical force to accomplish the agenda of a set policy of a state. So when saving private desputes between citizens are not considered terrorist acts would this also include Totus Fides personal guard, as we are all private citizens, it just happens that Totus Fides is also the voice of the almighty. So the will of Totus Fides is the will of the State. So it is just the attempt to create 'fear', we do not understand that concept as well have faith and are one with the almighty, how is it that others fear excet through ignorance and lack of faith?

Policing is not terrorism becuase it does not seek to impose order through mass violence and fear, rather, to promote order through enforcing the laws that become broken. This fear concept you talk about is not one of faith or ignorance, but rather fear of an event such as untimely death through the uncontrollable actions of a third party.


We aim to make people happy and offer programming that gives them information that can let them plan their days, to know if it will rain and if they need sunscreen, we do not intend it as propaganda but if we did not tell them how would they know? What about the marketing and advertising firms on Private Television, would we need to shut them down? Are their set guidines to how products are to be displayed or how they can demonstrate a cruise, what shots are allowable, what people are 'realistic' as to be on camera?
There is a line between marketing, information, and propoganda that is very fine. All member states should do their best not to cross that line. Programmes such as weather or news are not propoganda, but erecting posters in all major cities telling the people lies is propoganda. Should you choose to join the alliance, in all liklehood you will not be seen as a propogandist, but each incident will be handed case-by-case.

Would being at war prevent ICCD joining the ILSS.

No it would not, and if you were the defensive party in that conflict, the ILSS could indeed come to your aid.

...Bump...any other countries have questions and/or want to join the ILSS?

WE NEED A NEW THREAD...like a joining thread so people can join us....one of us...one of us...anyway yeah unless someone wants to join us in this thread <.< >.>

I will put one together as soon as I can think straight again.

school getting to hard?

school getting to hard?
A little bit, that a the influence of certain substances that may or may not considered illegal smokables may or may not have played a factor.

A little bit, that a the influence of certain substances that may or may not considered illegal smokables may or may not have played a factor.

OOC: Similar situation here, now think about a girl, but like two of them at once... Just like that, but without the lung damage.

We of the Glorious Confederacy of Leafanistan would like to submit our application, currently our government is reforming from the horrid mistakes made by the government under the National Liberation Party with its libertarian ideals.

We offer a powerful economy and a vast military power and a discount in our bountiful storefront.

Cynthia Ives
Prime Minister
Confederate Socialist Reform Party

Leafanistan, I would like to formally welcome you to the alliance. The ILSS will grant you the a temporary membership, to become full once your government shows its commitment to social reform. Until then, we welcome your presence and readily anticipate your becoming a full member of the alliace.



OOC: read this to mean that you are a member of the alliance, but the alliance wishes to see your political and civil freedoms rise.

Intracircumcordei is at a level of satisfaction that it would like to enterinto infancy membership in this alliance with observer status. Intracircumcordei would like to offer 2sq miles of mountain in the Southern Mountains to establish an Alliance command facility, whether this is the HQ or not can be determined by the Alliance and/or Alliance Leadership.

We would also like to announce the formation of a QRT Division specifically designed to be available to assist memberstates.

We request that we allow Brigades of the QRT team to do training within and with memberstate military force in JTF preperations.


Economically we would like to offer a prefered storage facility specifically for memberstates of the alliance. And offer allowances for preauthorized Visa's specifically for member states citizens engaging in business relations.

We would like to clarify the status of all Imperial Citizens of being equivlent to 'police forces within ICCD' as every citizen has the right to bear arms and is expected to uphold the consitution and the Imperium.

We would like to state that we do not censor the private media in anyway domestically in ICCD, and that our SIS and ESB broadcasts are distrubted as state opinion, clearly not as the universal truth for all just the universal truth of the moment for the determination of the state.We are proud of the trust relationships we build with the citizens who can count on us to make their lives more secure, however we in no way force or proliferate this material in ways where others do not have choice to listen or veiw.


We graciously thank the founding minds of the IISS for allowing this to be part of our glorious and prosperous futures.


Emperor Totus Fides Shaimeng, The Holy Empire of Intracircumcordei.

Alright the glorius nation of the SSUN has offiacialy nominated 3 new presidential canadites.

Andrew Natz Volker
Nero Naki Delkor
Iseal Yulva Nochanactic

Backrounds will be availiable...(Spelling incorrect?) later

anyway I just thought the ILSS should get these names and backrounds so I dont elect another bad leader.

Intracircumcordei, it is my honor to officially welcome you to the International League of Socialist States. Once we establish a general means of open and instant communication (read: offsite forum), the entire alliance can come together on its own and discuss fine details of the charter.

Leafanistan, I would like to formally welcome you to the alliance. The ILSS will grant you the a temporary membership, to become full once your government shows its commitment to social reform. Until then, we welcome your presence and readily anticipate your becoming a full member of the alliace.



OOC: read this to mean that you are a member of the alliance, but the alliance wishes to see your political and civil freedoms rise.

We understand and right now we are trying to ease the country off the vile corporatist propaganda everyone was weened on with the National Liberation Party. So far our policies on education and social welfare are very progressive and we are working on election reform.

Cynthia Ives
Prime Minister
Confederate Socialist Reform Party

...is it just me or do alot of nations not like me. It seems as if some one is going around saying I godmode in all of my RP's and stuff like that. But anyway off of OOC.

The SSU of Nerotika woulf like to send over a few deplomats to Leafanistan to discuss the joining of the ILSS, in order to aid political stabilization, we too have recently stabilized a raptured system so we can relate to the problems they are having.

President Andrew N. Volker
Socialist States Union of Nerotika

...is it just me or do alot of nations not like me. It seems as if some one is going around saying I godmode in all of my RP's and stuff like that. But anyway off of OOC.

The SSU of Nerotika woulf like to send over a few deplomats to Leafanistan to discuss the joining of the ILSS, in order to aid political stabilization, we too have recently stabilized a raptured system so we can relate to the problems they are having.

President Andrew N. Volker
Socialist States Union of Nerotika

OOC: Civil War is nearly starting in Leafanistan, and tehre is a recruitment thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467819&page=3

You guys are invited to try out.

IC:

We are afraid we have to deny your request. We are curerntly a bit busy with reform.

Cynthia Ives
Prime Minister
Confederate Socialist Reform Party

OOC: Civil War is nearly starting in Leafanistan, and tehre is a recruitment thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467819&page=3

You guys are invited to try out.

IC:

We are afraid we have to deny your request. We are curerntly a bit busy with reform.

Cynthia Ives
Prime Minister
Confederate Socialist Reform Party

I understand, I am sending in a few Divisions from the SSUN army to aid the Reformist. I like civil wars and this one sounds fun. And done worry all the divisions I listed only have a limited amount of troops in them, very well trained troops, but troops none the less ^.^ anyway I Hope our aid will do some good in your nation and for your efforts.

***OFFICIAL MESSAGE***
To: Leadership of the International League of Socialist States
From: Galen Q. Leotardia, 2nd Emperor of the Pure Socialist Holy Empire of Shazbotdom

The Parliament will discuss the possibility of joining this Alliance. We will get back to you within a few days and after a vote in the Parliament.

OOC: If there is anything I can do by all means get me word. I would go about and start up a board; however, I am uncertain how the group would like to handle it. For instance I could start a board then provide all members a password for the admin login? Etc.. I could also start a webpage (such as anglefire etc..) but I am not sure of the presence the alliance is looking for. msg me if there is anything I can do.

Intracircumcordei is standing by to assist any members.

OOC:
Well, if you are looking for certain stuff. I suggest invisionfree for message boards. Invision has a lot of advanced features that phpBB doesn't.

And i suggest http://www.95mb.com for web space. You get 95 megabytes of space for free there. Although i am looking at purchasing some web space for $3 a month from http://www.1and1.com

OOC:
Well, if you are looking for certain stuff. I suggest invisionfree for message boards. Invision has a lot of advanced features that phpBB doesn't.

And i suggest http://www.95mb.com for web space. You get 95 megabytes of space for free there. Although i am looking at purchasing some web space for $3 a month from http://www.1and1.com

I'm going to go about and set up a board even though it will prolly be abandoned atleast it can serve as a temp posting place for those interested.


Da board (http://s15.invisionfree.com/ILSS/index.php)


I have added 'The Conference Room' feel open to chat in there.

If anything else needs to be added just say. For the time being I can act as the board custodian.

OOc:

Thanks ICCD. We'll get some ideas going on the temp board then move to a permanent board once we have things firmly settled.

Other than that, would you be willing to TG the other ILSS members and let them know about the temp board?

Thanks,
Blarg.

[bump] Okay, we need to get this thing restarted. Wake up everyone, hibernation is over, time to get the show on the road.

Bump...Though hibernation is fun getting this thing up and running again might be a good idea

I have a potential first cause.. things are getting a little choppy and I'd like advice of the ILSS on how to proceed.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470845

It has slowed down a bit but I'm wondering if anyone is willing to spare a few troops to aid in the defence of the area for ICCD interests. Maybe to prepare for if NO ENDORSE decides to attack ICCD positions?

As for trade and such we are doing some shipping but half of our trade route is jepordized by NO ENDORSE's instability.

I'll look into it tomorrow when I have the time. I'll also work on getting TGs to all of the other ILSS members. Thanks for trying to keep us active ICCD. I need to get everyone back into this thing.

Pythogria will not join this alliance (as we are not socialist) hoever, socialism works, and should you need any help, feel free to ask me.

IC:
***OFFICIAL PROCLIMATION***
To: Leadership of this Alliance
From: Mr. George A. Loak, 3rd Emperor of the Pure Socialist Holy Empire of Shazbotdom

The Parliament, after a long debate that went through the Emperors Election, we have decided to Join this alliance. We await either the approval or denial of our request. You can find information about our nation at any Tracker web site.

as I am only a member I personally welcome your perposal and also await the desision of the alliance's leaders to decide

Shazbotdom, it is my official duty as the foreign ambassador of the ILSS to welcome you into the league of nations, bretheren in peace, bretheren in arms. To the alliance, you shall pledge your support. In times of peace, all will prosper, in times of war, all shall stand united as one.



ICCD: I have reviewed the RP you linked to, and have made the official decision as of now that the ILSS shall not be involved in any more than a watchdog role over the developing situations. As shown in the events that have transpired, there has been no direct attack on ILSS members, thus, military action cannot yet be taken.



OOC: to any member who are still reading this thing, We will be needing to form a command council. Preferably the eldest nations, but I am not ruling out younger nations if they are very active. I may have to go dormant from time to time due to IRL events, but I still want an alliance council to be able to work out matters for the benefit of the alliance. If anyone is interested, please TG me.

There seems to be a posibility of a general Irathrian war brewing so I would like to officially/unofficially ask that any members that would be willing as independant defence partners support our ICCD positions with any spare troops you have kicking around.

ICCD has no intention of launching any sort of offensive war against No Endorse but the security of the area is very vital to the overall security of ICCD and Irathia as such any members that would be willin to pledge exchange troops may do so. This at the very least gives your forces the chance to train in a potential future war area and do joint training and help deter aggression against ICCD forces.

We would be more than willing to send some of our security forces to train in your territories as part of an exchange.

If war breaks out, trust us, we will be there to aide you. But currently I must request aide in West Lesser Land (Thread is [Operation Ownership])

Official ILSS Request of Military Aide in West Lesser Land
We have begun an offensive agenst the dictatorship to liberate the country and unite it with SSUN controlled East Lesser Land. We currently have aide from only one country, Devlyn (I think thats how you spell it), and we would like more aide there. Though we begun the war our terms were not of harming civilians like we are being forced to do. Once the country threatened us we knew we must turn this into an war where civilians would be harmed. The liberating isn't going to well sence Psychotika has allied up with WLL and we are currently in a declared conflict with them and might request aide there as well, currently though, we are asking for the board to concider sending troops to West Lesser Land.

I am willing to join the ILSS, if it can be guaranteed that the definition of terrorism will NOT include: defence of a country, legitimate, proportionate, and fair policing of a country, and invading a country to prevent or/and stop serious human rights abuses (even if this may result in wounding or death of many people).

I am willing to join the ILSS, if it can be guaranteed that the definition of terrorism will NOT include: defence of a country, legitimate, proportionate, and fair policing of a country, and invading a country to prevent or/and stop serious human rights abuses (even if this may result in wounding or death of many people).
Granted, if you choose to join, send an official government transmission stating that your desire to join the alliance. We will welcome the newest member of the ILSS.

...just thought I would put this down to clarify, well what I think Terrorism means.

Terrorism: The meaningful torture and murder of civilians to gain religious and/or political idea's across to other people. An armed force that acts on its own will and not of the countries. A group that wars a nation without a declaration. Any one of these may be concidered terrorism, also terrorism can be the verbal threatening of a nation of people. Nerotika looks down upon all of these...(Well the civilian thing is a bit broad, we have killed some civilians to I guess get political idea's out there but we were also in a declared war...so If you can change it I would love that.)

Also can you read my above post, my request for ILSS involvment in A Lesser Land (Or as we call it West Lesser Land)

***FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER OF NOUVELLE ANGLETERRE***

We would be delighted to join your union. As a left-wing socialist state we are pleased that there will be a body that will represent the interests of the sane and solically concious citizens.

Yours In Peace

CARPE DIEM

Nerotika, based upon the request for aid, I cannot enforce the charter's military obligations, as it is an offensive war. However, individual nations may still decide to support your effort.

Our government has made the decision to support your war effort. If you please attatch the relevent information to a TG (i.e. post the thread link here), Blargistania's armed forced can begin mobilizing.

Nerotika, based upon the request for aid, I cannot enforce the charter's military obligations, as it is an offensive war. However, individual nations may still decide to support your effort.

Our government has made the decision to support your war effort. If you please attatch the relevent information to a TG (i.e. post the thread link here), Blargistania's armed forced can begin mobilizing.

NA: We would like to welcome you into the fold. Make sure that you have read and understood the charter and what being a member of the alliance obligates you to do should any call to alliance members be sent forth. Once you have satisfied yourself with the terms of alliance, you may be conisdered a full member of the ILSS.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474117&page=3

There you are Blarg, we hope to see your troops on the battlefield, our comrades in arms list grows larger as socialist brethern join our effort to keep capitalism out of the Lesser Land area.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474117&page=3

There you are Blarg, we hope to see your troops on the battlefield, our comrades in arms list grows larger as socialist brethern join our effort to keep capitalism out of the Lesser Land area.

Nerotika - I'm going through pretty much a shit month at school, more work than anyone should be allowed to see in a lifetime. I'm going to grant you unconditional use of 2,000 Blargistanian troops, a fleet, and a small air force. Here is the basic makeup of the forces on loan:


1900 GI Troops
outfit: OICW Rifles (http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw2.jpg), Desert Eagle Pistol, combat knife, Standard Nightvision, extra clips, food water, flash bang gernades, fragmentation gernades, full torso kevlar, flex-lite limb armor (works like kevlar, except its much lighter, downside is a little less stopping power) tactical battle helmet.


Note: the battle helmet works like Master Chief's from Halo. It is a full helmet to protect against other flash bangs, links optically to the gun to show info such as ammo left in clip, clips left in belt, works to show body temp, also has a head-up display that works directly with base intel to paint a real time display of red icons where enemies are on the battlefiel. The helmet can also link up to a battle network to give a real time map of the battle, along with available resources for deployment.

25 Sniper teams, working two man pairs.
outfit: Barret M82 Sniper Rifle (http://home.swipnet.se/sniper/sniper/m82a1.htm), Desert Eagle Pistol, plus above mentioned. (this is standard team weapons deployment)

25 demolitions experts
outfit: UZI submachine gun, desert eagle pistol, bomb disarmament kit, c8 charges, flash bangs, putty mines, frag gernades, above mentioned armor.

25 medics
outfit: field surgery kit, desert eagle pistol, flash bang, above mentioned armor, water.


FLEET
1 Moscow Class Aircraft carrier, the Relentless
note : the Moscow is essentially a Nimitz class carrier, simply 1 1/2 times as large. So use that as a capabilities base
1 Nimitz Class Carrier the Sergiev
3 Aegis Class Battle Cruisers, Tiger, Ballistic, and Grummen
2 Trapper Class Destroyers, Karawack, and Yank
note: modern tech destroyer, same size and capability as US navy destroyers
1 fast attack submarine Deep Blue

The Carriers carry a combined total of 210 aircraft and 5 helicopters.

65 Harrier Multi-role fighters
35 Mig 35a Dogfighters
50 F/A 118 Bombers
50 JAS-39 Gripen Fighters (http://archiv.radio.cz/pictures/army/gripen_jas39.jpg)
2 C-130 Cargo Planes
1 U-2 Spy Plane
3 Stealth Bombers
4 B-182 bombers (later model of the B-52 heavy bomber)

2 Apache A1 Gunships
2 Little Bird Attack Choppers
1 Cargo/Medical Helicopter



That should cover it.

I understand, I am sending in a few Divisions from the SSUN army to aid the Reformist. I like civil wars and this one sounds fun. And done worry all the divisions I listed only have a limited amount of troops in them, very well trained troops, but troops none the less ^.^ anyway I Hope our aid will do some good in your nation and for your efforts.

OOC: Whatever happened with those, I have yet to see them. And you are technically invited to the Concord Conference as an ally. There is a temporary ceasefire as they try to work out a peace agreement.

Official Diplomatic Channel

This is Cynthia Ives as I transmit from my government in exile in Inner Leafanistan. I need assistance. Our forces are being slaughtered by the vile corporatist bastards from McKagan. Our Navy lies in ruins, their Air Forces have crushed our improvised air force and the facist dictator High Father is retaking power. We need assistance immediately. If you can deploy forces in Northern Leafanistan to support us do so immediately.

You are welcome to send troops but they cannot engage in combat due to the ceasefire. You can also send a diplomatic envoy from the alliance or its member countries to engage in the talks.

OOC: Related Threads:

Seige of Concord: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468688
OOC Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467819
Concord Conference: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474605

[OOC: Leaf, you do know that I can watch monitor diplomatic channels. If you keep calling McKagan things it wouldn't take much before a few IMAF generals decide it's time to break the ceasefire and land 40,000 cruise missiles in Leafanistan.]

[OOC: Leaf, you do know that I can watch monitor diplomatic channels. If you keep calling McKagan things it wouldn't take much before a few IMAF generals decide it's time to break the ceasefire and land 40,000 cruise missiles in Leafanistan.]

OOC: Which would endanger a chance of a peaceful conclusion and possibly start an even larger retaliation from any faction which is pissed off that 40,000 cruise missiles landing on civilians and military.

[OOC: Do you think the peace conference has any real chance of working? Better yet, do you WANT it to work? If you do - I suggest allowing a much larger McKagan presense.]

OOC:
You both are in the CIN and both are fighting eachother? I'm going to have to look at the charter/constitution of the CIN to determine what will happen in this situation. I'm not sure at this moment, but it might wind up that one of you would have to be exiled out of the group, although the charter/constitution will tell us more. I also suggest that you two sign up on the new official forums, see the regional page on NS for the link.


I : Should one nation in the C.I.N. fall prey to an attack, all nations in the C.I.N. shall rise as one to defend the nation under attack. Should the attacking nation need to be occupied to end hostilities, that nation shall become a protectorate of the C.I.N., subject to the Constitution of the C.I.N.

II : No C.I.N. nation shall show hostilities against another C.I.N. nation. Should a C.I.N. nation fall under attack by another C.I.N. nation, the attacking nation shall be ejected from the C.I.N., and Article I shall come into effect.

The above would indicate that the attacker would be kicked outo f the Coalition of Independant Naitons. Sign up at the CIN Forums at http://cin.forumup.org for more information.

Okay, here is a current list of the ILSS:

BLARGistania
Aztec National League
Nerotika
Intracircumcordei
Anagonia
Leafanistan
Shazbotdom
Multiland
Nouvella Angleterre


everyone please put an ILSS tag in your sig, so every ILSS member can recognize you in various RPs.

Also, if anyone feels that I have not paid sufficent attention to their current national concerns, or have not addressed something, please post again so I may look at it. I am currently in a bit of a dead spot in school so I have plenty of time to look at any ILSS concerns.


Some housekeeping chores:
We do need to move to a permanent board, I know a temp one was set up a while ago, but no one used it. Everyone, please refer to this [url=http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10411967&postcount=31] as a tempt board where we can discuss things and then move to a new one if necessary.

I know a few conflicts have been coming up and I've been doing my best to stay on top of them, but I can't get to everything. I want to set up a board of three nations to look over conflicts and appeals that arise and determine whether or not the ILSS gets involved as a whole in those conflicts. If there are three volunteers, I will take them. If there are more, I will try to come up with a system to determine who takes those spots. If there are less, well, I'll work with what we have.

thirdly, we need to set up a trade thread where military and other tech goods can be bought and sold between ILSS members.


As the final matter than is on my mind right now:
IC
McKagan: you may want to back off on the threats. This is an official warning from the chair of the ILSS. Should you threaten once more to launch an attack on an ILSS member, you shall find your own nation in ruins, your population scattered to the winds, and your lands salted. I would suggest never again implying that you will launch cruise missiles at a member nation. To do so is to be met with dire consequences.

Though Pythogria is capitalist, Socialism works, and it applauds the formation of this alliance.

Though Pythogria is capitalist, Socialism works, and it applauds the formation of this alliance.
We thank you for your recognition. Should you ever form a leftist government, we would welcome you into the alliance. Most of the nations present have at least some form of operating private sector in which to drive their economies forward.

We thank you for your recognition. Should you ever form a leftist government, we would welcome you into the alliance. Most of the nations present have at least some form of operating private sector in which to drive their economies forward.

Well, we'll see next election.

OOC: As in, soon.

Well, we'll see next election.

OOC: As in, soon.
I'll make a note to be watching the outcome of that election.

If anyone needs some assistance or the sort you can send an email directly to me (w_ashley@rogers.com) ...

I have a number of involvements right now but I may be able to spare some forces unless the situation heats up...

well suppose we have no need of your troops in a Lesser Land, they have claimed defeat and are currently pulling troops from all fields. THey are demilitarizing and we are claiming the entire Lesser Land country as a military state currently. Reformation of the countries government will not take place concidering pyschotikan troops are still in country and are a potential threat to any government reformation in the country. If the conflict gets out of hand we will take you up on your offer of troops Blarg.

well suppose we have no need of your troops in a Lesser Land, they have claimed defeat and are currently pulling troops from all fields. THey are demilitarizing and we are claiming the entire Lesser Land country as a military state currently. Reformation of the countries government will not take place concidering pyschotikan troops are still in country and are a potential threat to any government reformation in the country. If the conflict gets out of hand we will take you up on your offer of troops Blarg.

Thanks for keeping me updated.

Blarg, I was wondering if you still wanted to send aid to A Lesser Land, now that Nerotika occupies it were going to be policing the country and we might need some national help. I dont think the Charter says anything about sending military police to police an unoccupied state, we might want to get somthing in there about that.

If anyone needs assistance, see my Official Forums (http://shazbotdom.forumup.org/) and place a "request for assistance" in the alloted sections.

Nerotika - I can send the aid I mentioned on the previous page, but I won't be able to directly control them or participate in any real forum action. Its about time for finals at school and I've got a shit ton of work to get out of the way.

In about 3 weeks though, I should be back and ready for some action.

there are now ooc threats against ICCD... use of a bioweapons...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474377

they have been unleashed on an ally.. and it looks like they may be used against ICCD.. if so... would that be considered an act of war, even though they do not have troops in ICCD territory?

Can you link to the specific post in which you are threatened? I can't seem to find it...

there are now ooc threats against ICCD... use of a bioweapons...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474377

they have been unleashed on an ally.. and it looks like they may be used against ICCD.. if so... would that be considered an act of war, even though they do not have troops in ICCD territory?
If you can direct me to the post where it mentions use of bioweapons against ICCD then we can act, but reading through the thread so far seems to be social things, not military threats.

The Central Commitee of the Communist Party of Montegrande has decided that being part of the ILSS would be necesary for the consolidation of the revolutionary government, so we submit our application. However, there are some reforms to be made before we can be in total accordance with the principles of ILSS, most of them concerning the use of propaganda (after a revolution, normally the government has to be a bit dictatorial) , that will be made as soon as possible. We ask for a test membership until we make this change.

Salvador Guevara, Comisar of Foreign Affairs of the Community of Montegrande

Oops. That was the wrong link (that was an engagement thread... )

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473746&page=3

corpsac is already in the process of using 'RAGE' on Niall Noiglach. It is still ICS though.


""ICCD" Kashi said, his tone was unchanged as he said it, tho he did look away from her.

"what do you want us to do?"

"3 things, we need you to corse alot of trubble blaming the rebels and....frame Koryan, we also need you to test 2 of our new bio weapons. RAGE, a rather nasty virus that is passed though blood or bite and so forth. Turns the infected into mad and dangerus people who will attack anything that moves. Then theres BT-T Virus, some res evil nutcase fan who happened to work for BioTech decided it was a good idea to recrate the T-virus, hence BioTech-T Virus." He said rolling his eyes.

"so basicly alot of terror attacks and some weapons testing, any target?" she asked looking up at him.

"we want you to hit the ICCD with RAGE and BT-T, we will also be giving you a few canisters of REV, just to spreed abit of fear in them." ""


It is in character secret but the whole of the continent is plunging into civil decay.


Anyone that can lend an advance security force especially on the 'chokehold' peninsula is much appreciated. Without that chokehold open, troops will only be abel to come in from the west coast and proceed overland.

Montegrande - the alliance can accept you on a trial membership. The guarentee of a full membership will be in place as long as civil rights do not slip below the ranking of good. We also wish to see political freedoms rise, but if they do not, it is not an absolute disqualifier for participation in the alliance. Welcome to the ILSS.

OOC: please tag you sig with an ILSS marker so people can tell that you are a member

IC:
ICCD: you are free to petition the alliance for support troops. At the moment I have troops tied up in the Lesser Lands, under Nerotikan control. I can however, send over a force of 500 mechanized troops with their own support units.

OOC: as of right now, since the message is an IC private, the ILSS isn't supposed to know about the bio weapons. If they are launched, then the entire alliance may participate in retaliatory strikes as per the charter, however, the call to arms must be issued by you. Any nation can contribute security right now, but full scale conflict cannot be issued until it is within an open defensive purpose and after intent to attack has been declared in a public IC post.

It is getting very tense in the chokehold area, to say the least I am not responding to the situation, if I do it could instigate attacks so if anyone can lend advance forces to the chokehold in expectations of an imminent attack, the advance forces and international 'large' effect is appreciated.

Anyone that can give advanced commitments on what type of forces they could spare in the event of a outbreak. If either the Niall Noiglach 'civil war' with Corp Sac Intervention or the No Endorse Straight issue blow into fullscale war, ICCD could be facing a war on all sides but the south as ICCD is in an defence pact with Niall Noiglach and Amazonian Beasts, however it potentially faces conflict against No Endorse, Corpsac and Ramissle. Not to mention the presence of both Kraven and Raven now on the Continent. The 500 Mechanized troops is much appreciated.

It is important to note that due to the straight a 'very large and persistent' naval conflict for the area is likely, loss of the straight for international use is comparitize to the panama canal or suez canal, and locks a large chunk of ICCD's navy in the internal area of the continent, meaning our own ability to lend military support would be drastically reduced.

We graciously accept your 500 mechanized troops and can house them in our bases in the souther portion of the base, either as reserve forces or front line.

For others even a small unit 20 or 40 troops as a token force may go a long way in keeping the area peaceful, there is even a slight chance of No Endorse joining the Southern Alliance which would go a long way in reducing the potential damage of Corpsac going to war against us, well relatively considering corpsac...

We will send troops in, just a small amount though. They will be under your command as well concidering we need main command in A Lesser Land and pyschotika. But we can release the 16th Mobilized Infantry Division.

Nerotikan 16th MID - Military Volunteer Division

- 956x Army Regular Soldiers
- 50x Light Infantry Transport Units - 32 Trucks, 18 Light Hummvee's Weapon equiped (One Driver to each truck, soldiers drive Hummvee's)
- 12x TH-301 Light Battle Tanks (36 Crew Members - Three to each tank)
- 4x M1A2 Abrams Main Battle tanks (12 Crew Members - Three to each tank)

thankyou we will provide the cargo transports if required.

any other forces we will will covert transport costs. we can fly them in and out if required we have planes standing by. even if it is just a platoon or company, we will even arm them and supply ammo and food, we will foot the bill.

in addition we will do a soilder for soilder exchange.. you supply 100 troops we wiill send 100 troops to you in exchange THe international presence is what we are looking for in the strait area.

We will cover the cost of the exchange. The war seems to be heating up.. it just appears a matter of time.

thankyou we will provide the cargo transports if required.

any other forces we will will covert transport costs. we can fly them in and out if required we have planes standing by. even if it is just a platoon or company, we will even arm them and supply ammo and food, we will foot the bill.

in addition we will do a soilder for soilder exchange.. you supply 100 troops we wiill send 100 troops to you in exchange THe international presence is what we are looking for in the strait area.

We will cover the cost of the exchange. The war seems to be heating up.. it just appears a matter of time.

From what I have seen it is mainly a verbal war, with few attacks heatening it up. Also the cost of transporting them is not the matter. What I am wondering is if this conflict (If out of hand) could end up at the Nerotikan front door, on our territory perhaps even our mainland. I dont want to much trouble. The troop exchange though is not needed, I will send my troops to you as an ally not some trade partner. I hope you can make much use of them.

http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/anticom/sacp1.gif
Official DPO Statement

Greetings to our valiant comrades in the International League of Socialist States! The Devlynian People's Oligarchy applauds the creation of an alliance dedicated to spreading the new socialist order and unifying socialist nations under the single banner of freedom!

The DPO humbly wishes to apply for membership in this great alliance. We are capable of lending our economic and military strength to the ILSS forces, both of which are formidable. Regarding stated ILSS concerns on the media, the DPO employs both state-sponsored and private media companies, with the latter requiring merely a small annual tax to the government to continue operating. We do not use propaganda or censorship; the quality of life in the DPO (as evidenced by our 'Superb' civil rights) is such that the citizens of Devlynia do not need a government confirmation of their happiness.

If our aid is ever needed, we are fully capable of deploying our military forces in defense of fellow socialist nations, although we will always seek diplomatic resolutions for conflicts before resorting to war. We, on behalf of the Devlynian people, have the profound hope that we will be accepted into this alliance.

~ [signed]Oligarch Mira Kíces, Representative of the People for Foreign Affairs ~

I am not so sure this is a verbal war, this is currently a cold war with phrases such as flashpoint. The area very much is engineered, essentially what this conflict is over is potential toll charges for use of the strait and sale of property that 'really isn't' theirs to sell. It is not that simple, No endorse is aggressively expansionistic, under the guise of profit. Corpsac meanwhile also seems to be itching to cause some damage. Ramissle is unpredictable. Kraven is known to be ruthless in subjecting areas, while Raven is mad in the fact they will use vastly destructive weapons and torture innocent people. The Southern Alliance Irathrian Defence Force is forming to offset some potential for occupation of our respective territories, and the ILSS seems willing to lend some support. I do not underestimate the chance for a war, it is just where the war will meet ICCD. Absena a potential ally in the IDF is very close to no endorse as such they could be invaded which almost occured on a numer of occassions. The war is currently in Whyattica and potentially moving into Koryan and Slarchers. The war has already come to Irathria it is just how much hotter it will get. Deterence from outright invasion is the initial defence, when the war enters us allies territories as it almost did in Niall Noiglach, or really it did in the NN civil war, NN is just across the bay of baltrip from ICCD, very close to home. The strait still isn't 'fully peaceful' and the situation unpredictable. No Endorse is spouting 3 billion population ready to reach out in search of more land, corp sac is also quite large in population, us more peaceful and less breeding areas atleast ICCD feel threatened by their expansionistic policies. There is plently of space in space so why do they need to kill us for our land.

We are willing to help but our help has to be small, because Montegrande sent troops to Danteri in order to free the natives from Zukariaa, a puppets state of the Kravens....

Comrade, anything I needs to consider?

Hey everyone. I'm in the middle of finals and don't have much time to log onto NS. Because of this, I won't be able to run the ILSS until sometime next week.

In my absence, I want Nerotika and Anagonia to preside jointly over ILSS decisions until I come back onto NS.

Also, Devlyn - I am granting you full acceptance to the ILSS. Please tag your sig so other members can tell that you are part of the alliance.

Other than that, I might be on from time to time, but will come back to full presence atr the end of next week.

thanks all,
~Blarg

Comrade, anything I needs to consider?

So are you joining the alliance or are you just offering help from an outside source, also I think a change in the charter should be acted in. Outside wars such as regime change targets, Liberations and/or a militia war should be looked at. I`ll get it written down and posted here so you guys can concider it.

Also we still accept members, we would like them to be economicly stronge and politically stable, dont join because you feel we`ll automaticly help you in a war your in.

ICCD whats the latest on your conflict? All updates help at this point. Also do you want me to post somthing in the thread about my troops arrival, and how should I do so if thats what you want.

Well we are on the brink of total chaos.

The president of Ramissle was executed and Corp Sac No Endorse ICCD .. to a lesser extent my core allies amazonian beats and nially noiglach all just mobiized forces.. there is a civil war in Niall.. No Endorse and ICCD have made a vaugely stronger peace.. a number of foreign nations have stated interest.. I have a force from I think beltway landing on my doorstep.

ICCD is under martial law and Total War is near expected to unleash itself in a furry at any time.

Send troops now if posible.

[ Is this hardcore socialist?

Or is it open to partial welfare states (Gejigrad is mostly free-market, with a lot of welfare)?

EDIT: Whoa. What's this about Beltway? ]

[ Is this hardcore socialist?

Or is it open to partial welfare states (Gejigrad is mostly free-market, with a lot of welfare)?

EDIT: Whoa. What's this about Beltway? ]

All I know of is the charter.. if you are willing to support the charter. There are varying number of socialist states. Places such as sweden that has a mixed system is still quite socialist. Personally I think any state that has the priniciple and can support the charter should be OK. I am not a diffinitive voice though.

Oh, the beltway seemed to state that it was going into barbary ramissle. I'm not sure if it will be an extended occupation. Barbary Ramissle is next to ICCD's northwest border. So with the large amount of instability in the area it causes a huge scepter of potential conflict, and an intelligence gap. ICCD and Beltway are not at war, ICCD isn't sure of Beltway's intent for the area.

Unstable situation.

Oh oh, I´m fighting a war in another territory, hehehe. There is a cease of fire now, but with Kraven puppets, you never know and to protect my communist allies I have to gather as land as I can, and I don´t know if a country in a tense cease of fire with a Kraven puppet could be the right international presence for you ICCD....... Also I have to protect my economy, that is stable but not perfect, you know......

It is looking potentially pretty sketchy right now. If it goes nuclear with beltway it could be bad.

IC it is actually relaitvely stable. OOC.. it is very chaotic.

Well we are on the brink of total chaos.

The president of Ramissle was executed and Corp Sac No Endorse ICCD .. to a lesser extent my core allies amazonian beats and nially noiglach all just mobiized forces.. there is a civil war in Niall.. No Endorse and ICCD have made a vaugely stronger peace.. a number of foreign nations have stated interest.. I have a force from I think beltway landing on my doorstep.

ICCD is under martial law and Total War is near expected to unleash itself in a furry at any time.

Send troops now if posible.

ok im betting its gotten worse, so if you need aide im willing to send in troops and overlook the assault myself with some of my best generals. My elite Companies of the 1st Elite Division have been pulled from A Lesser Land and are open for combat in any other location.

So are you joining the alliance or are you just offering help from an outside source, also I think a change in the charter should be acted in. Outside wars such as regime change targets, Liberations and/or a militia war should be looked at. I`ll get it written down and posted here so you guys can concider it.

Also we still accept members, we would like them to be economicly stronge and politically stable, dont join because you feel we`ll automaticly help you in a war your in.

ICCD whats the latest on your conflict? All updates help at this point. Also do you want me to post somthing in the thread about my troops arrival, and how should I do so if thats what you want.

Nerotika, I joined the alliance months ago, and I will be offering aid whenever possible.

Also, if you have some forums I can go to, and whatnot, that'll help. My armies are open to yours as they alwasy have been...

OOC:

I'm seriously debating invading you Nerotika, cause its fun...and I want to nuke someone :P

Also, if you have some forums I can go to, and whatnot, that'll help. My armies are open to yours as they alwasy have been...

OOC:

I'm seriously debating invading you Nerotika, cause its fun...and I want to nuke someone :P

OOC: ouch man...ouch that would be mean. ummm you can nuke the hell out of pyschotika. He's neither in this alliance and a non-socialist member of the ASDU, REGIME CHANGE ^.^, you supply nukes I`ll supply body bags :p

:__: I'll offer aid as well... or ... something...

Also, Annie, you can invade me. I've always wanted to test my defences and, um, stuff. :p

:/_:

Hi everyone!

I'm back from college with a sort of successful semester and am ready to resume as head of the ILSS.

I need someone to bring me up to date on what has happened in the last two weeks, as well as present any concerns that they think should be worthy of calling in the entire alliance.


Also, if anyone wants to begin work on a joint storefront to sell our military or civilian goods, let me know. The other option I think would work is if someone already has a storefront operational, there could be an ILSS section added to it.

Hi everyone!

I'm back from college with a sort of successful semester and am ready to resume as head of the ILSS.

I need someone to bring me up to date on what has happened in the last two weeks, as well as present any concerns that they think should be worthy of calling in the entire alliance.


Also, if anyone wants to begin work on a joint storefront to sell our military or civilian goods, let me know. The other option I think would work is if someone already has a storefront operational, there could be an ILSS section added to it.

AY' tis good to have you back Sir. Nothing has really changed ecept for the ICCD thing which he hasn`t updated us on but I pleadged troops to his cause.

The Secular Empire of Maraque wishes to join this alliance. Our government is leftist with strong funding for social equality and welfare. We have a private sector, but put strict regulations on business, and we have universal healthcare and education, so everyone gets the same medical attention and everyone has the same opportunity to get an education.

The Secular Empire of Maraque wishes to join this alliance. Our government is leftist with strong funding for social equality and welfare. We have a private sector, but put strict regulations on business, and we have universal healthcare and education, so everyone gets the same medical attention and everyone has the same opportunity to get an education.

Its up to Blarg, but I would say you can join.

Blag can I get a members list posted up?...or well can you post up a members list?

also maybe we should refresh this alliance, the thread is getting rather old and making a new thread would give us a chance to build a stronger alliance maybe with new members.

Here is a member list, or, at least the ones I am aware of.

BLARGistania
Aztec National League
Nerotika
Intracircumcordei
Anagonia
Leafanistan
Shazbotdom
Multiland
Nouvella Angleterre
Montegrande
Devlyn
Maraque.


OOC:I'm going to be working on an off-site forum that perhaps we can shift all of the members too. I should also be able to get a new discussion forum up to try and recruit more members to this alliance. When it comes up, I'll send everyone a link in order that they can help in whatever they feel necessary.

Official Communique of the High Council of Eternal Wisdom of the Humanist State of Kravania

From: The Humanist State of Kravania

To: The International League of Socialist States

The Humanist State of Kravania would like to enquire as to whether the noble and everlasting ideology of Humanism is compatible with the ideologies represented in the ILSS?

Humanism is the collective mind of the Great Humanist Revolution and the sole legal and tolerated ideology of the Humanist State of Kravania.

Father is the Supreme Leader and Guide of Humanism and humanity at large. Every aspect of the economy is owned by the Humanist State and the Humanist State is led by Father, thus the economy and the people are Father and vice versa.

Below is the publication of the Laws of Foundation, the written document of the political, economic and social system of the Humanist State of Kravania and the written will of Father and the Humanist philosophy.

The Laws of Foundation of the Great Humanist Revolution


This proclamation is the representation of the highest level of documentation of the Laws of Foundation.

The Laws of Foundation are the expression of the utopian ideals and the Great Humanist Philosophy as formulated and conceived by Father. Father is the guide, the ever wise guardian and the supreme protector of the Great Humanist Revolution and the process of human evolution. The Laws of Foundation will allow for humanity, within the borders of the Humanist State of Kravania to evolve to the next phase in the evolutionary journey of the human species, for Father knows that when humanity ceases to evolve, it shall perish.

This is a great and brave new chapter in the revolutionary process of Humanism and the noble thoughts of Father. The former Empire of Kravania is now truley gone and it's corrupt, Anti-Humanist and counter-revolutionary regime are now a object of past history.

This proclamation of the Laws of Foundation has been approved by the High Council of Eternal Wisdom and by Father.

Law No. 1: The nation shall be known and refered to as the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 2: Father is the supreme leader of the Humanist State of Kravania. The former positions of Emperor, President and Prime Minister shall be abolished. Father exists in a realm beyond such basic and primitive titles. Father is the guide of humanity, the ever wise teacher of peoples, the supreme being and the living representation of human evolution and ever lasting progress.

Law No. 3: Below the supreme authority of Father is the High Council of Eternal Wisdom. The High Council of Eternal Wisdom is made up of 12 executive individuals, persons of the highest standing and most wise, for they were selected by Father, who in His infinite wisdom and most sacred grace, choose each member of the High Council of Eternal Wisdom. Father made this decision for He knows which humans have evolved to the level of transition from the current stage of human evolution to the nest level, the level He desires for all of humanity.

Law No. 4: The names, identities and personal details of Father and the 12 members of the High Council of Eternal Wisdom shall never be known to the peoples of the Humanist State of Kravania or the world at large. To defend the Great Humanist Revolution from it's many enemies, Father and the 12 Councillers shall only ever communicate with all other human lifeforms via the Telescreens. The world can see Father but will never know him.

Law No. 5: Humanism is the only legal and tolerated ideology, philosophy and belief system in the Humanist State of Kravania. All other political ideologies, economic theories and philosophies are banned and now given the title of Thought Crime.

Law No. 6: All religion, belief in gods, superstition and other non-scientific and Anti-Humanist lines of thinking are banned. They will now be given the title of Thought Crime.

Law No. 7: All individuals guilty of a Thought Crime shall given capital punishment and exterminated from the utopian society that Father has given to the peoples of the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 8: All human emotions are now banned. The below emotions are included in the ban on emotion and human feeling:

Love
Hate
Happiness
Sadness
Depression
Hope
Despair
Lust
Greed
Materialism
Empathy
Desire
Loneliness
Emptiness
Fufillment
Creativity
Artistic Expression
Individuality

The peoples of the Humanist State of Kravania have a gift from Father. Father created the medication, Xeroxium. Xeroxium helps people crush the degenerate, counter-revolutionary and Anti-Humanist condition of human emotion and the human sense of individuality. One injection of Xeroxium is needed for people to be free of the primitive state they are now in. Every individual of the Humanist State of Kravania shall take one dose of Xeroxium every day.

Those individuals who do not take their dose of Xeroxium will suffer from the sickness of human emotion and shall become outlaws. The title of the crime of not taking the daily dose of Xeroxium and suffering the sickness of human emotion shall be called Emocrime.

Law No. 9: Those indivduals who refuse the dose of Xeroxium are Emocriminals and shall be given capital punishment and exterminated from the utopian society that Father has given to the peoples of the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 10: All forms of sexual activity between humans and between humans and non-humans, is now banned. Hetrosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, bestiality are all human sicknesses in the ever wise view of Father. Kissing and the outward showing of two humans loving one another is also banned. The title for this criminal activity is called a Sex Crime.

All humans shall now be produced via artificial birth in human production centres, which are the sole property and under the control of Father and the High Council of Eternal Wisdom. These centres shall be called Artsem centres and are the sole way in which new human life can flourish in the utopia that is the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 11: Those individuals who are guilty of a Sexcrime shall be given capital punishment and exterminated from the utopian society that Father has given to the peoples of the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 12: The consumption of alcohol, tobacco, tea, coffee and all other mind altering drugs is banned. Father knows that for humans to advance in the everlasting process of evolution, humans must leave behind the chemical corruptions and toxic consumption of the old society, for the Great Humanist Revolution demands the total purity of it's peoples.

Law No 13: Those individuals guilty of the consumption of the above drugs and stimulants shall suffer the sickness of human emotion. Thus the consumption of the above drugs and stimulants is a Emocrime and those individuals who are guilty of a Emocrime shall be given capital punishment and exterminated from the utopian society that Father has given to the peoples of the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 14: All peoples of Kravania shall only sleep for a total time of 7 hours, from 11 PM to 6 AM. Individuals guilty of sleeping before 11 PM or sleeping in after 6 AM shall be executed on the charge of high treason against Father, the Humanist State of Kravania and the Great Humanist Revolution.

Law No. 15: Money and the use of money within the borders of the Humanist State of Kravania has been abolished. All workers shall work for the common good of the State and the Great Humanist Revolution, for the fruits of our labour is not for profit but the total advancement of humanity to the next level of human evolution.

Law No. 16: All private property, from companies to the clothes the people shall wear, has been abolished and all resources and all human individuals are now under the collective will of the Great Humanist Revolution, the State and Father.

Law No. 17: All forms of culture, outside the teachings of Father are banned. The following degenrate artforms are now illegal:

Paintings
Photographs
Music
Games
Electronic Games
Graffiti
Sculptures
Gardens

Any individual who is guilty of making the above artforms or owning the above artforms shall be given capital punishment and exterminated from the utopian society that Father has given to the peoples of the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 18: All humans within the borders of the Humanist State of Kravania shall not be allowed to look different from one another. Thus all people within Kravania shall:

Wear the same uniform, as designed and desired by Father.

Have the same haircut, which shall be a short side parting, for both males and females. Long hair is illegal for both sexes.

Jewellery is illegal.

Make up is illegal.

Tattoos are illegal.

Obesity and anorexia are illegal.

Any individual who does not conform the the perfect image of a human being as designed by Father shall spend 25 years in a re-education facility. Conter-revolutionary and Anti-Humanist ways of living and dress are a grave and evil threat to the brotherhood of humanity.

Law No. 19: All non Kravanian individuals shall be expelled from the Humanist State of Kravania, for our utopia will not accomodate the degenerate beings from the world outside our great utopia.

This law also applies to all foreign diplomats and embassy staff. All embassies are to be closed. From now on, diplomacy between the Humanist State of Kravania shall be done via telescreens and electronic interaction.

Law No. 20: All tourism is now banned. Kravanians cannot leave the Humanist State of Kravania and outsiders cannot enter the Humanist State of Kravania. All immigrants and refugees who attempt to enter the Humanist State of Kravania shall be destroyed.

Law No. 21: The Humanist State of Kravania shall never join an international organisation or sign a treaty which infringes upon the supreme sovereignty of the Humanist State of Kravania.

Law No. 22: All of the above laws shall be enforced at any cost. These laws are the foundations of the Great Humanist Revolution and the ever wise and eternal will of Father.

To enforce the Laws of Foundation within the Humanist State of Kravania, this duty shall fall upon the new security force and military force that answer only to Father, the Guardians of Humanity.

The Guardians of Humanity shall have total authority to execute Father's will and His merciful laws and wise decrees.

No other force or authority besides Father can over-rule or oppose the Guardians of Humanity.

With this proclamation of the Laws of Foundation, Father's will and the Great Humanist Revolution shall forever rule supreme over the Humanist State of Kravania.

Im just going to say...(psycho) but still its all the same to me, a new member is a welcomed member. Though I dont know if Blarg will buy into your ways, im not really much into th idea of this. If there was a way this Father of yours could conference with ILSS member leaders then maybe we could work somthing out.

Blarg I was thinking of an ILSS counsel idea. Like the original members, You as the leader, ANL as the 2nd in command, me (Cause im just lovable), Anagonia and ICCD. Plus one more spot to represent (lower members). Also how about an ILSS building, we can build one in each of the above mentions nations, only the four, and this way we can have an annual meeting (Once every month to represent a year in Nationstates time?)

Kavania: after reading the laws which the people of your nation are subject to, I am sorry to say that your. . .draconion styles of life are not compatable with the ideals held by the ILSS. We, as members of the ILSS value the freedom of the individual as well as the common cause. We strongly support civil freedoms for people to do as they will with their bodies and minds, and the bear and enjoy the fruits of their labors. It seems that these values do not hold within your own society. Your own rules would also prevent your people from working with ours for the betterment of the alliance.

As such, I cannot grant you acceptance into the alliance until substantial, overreaching changes take place iwthin your society.



OCC:
Nerotika, let me get an offsite board up, then we can put this together.

OOC:

I can just taste a coalition coming against you Kravania, lol. Red Tide2 is like...dang...nothing compared to what your doing! Har. Good Job rping that, its pretty cool.

IC:

Anagonia wishes to know when we will have any official meetings or group hugs? Anagonia is an attention whore, and we need attention.

OOC:

I can just taste a coalition coming against you Kravania, lol. Red Tide2 is like...dang...nothing compared to what your doing! Har. Good Job rping that, its pretty cool.

IC:

Anagonia wishes to know when we will have any official meetings or group hugs? Anagonia is an attention whore, and we need attention.

OOC: You can have a group hug now and later we can talk...come on everyone lets gather roun' da' chillum an' fireir up da life dat we be packen into da bowl of I-and-I selfs. Lets make everting Irie mon...everting Irie mon.

Well...Kravania might be a good place to set in a liberation. It seems the only way to gain notice in this world would be a liberation of sorts. Kravania seems to meet the qualities of a needed regime change in my book but I wont do anything until the ILSS backs this disicion.

While it is true that Kravania is a situation ripe for regime change, but, the ILSS is meant to be a defensive alliance. Perhaps this could be discussed as an 'unofficial alliance action' spearheaded by alliance members under the banner of gross crimes against humanity.

thoughts?

While it is true that Kravania is a situation ripe for regime change, but, the ILSS is meant to be a defensive alliance. Perhaps this could be discussed as an 'unofficial alliance action' spearheaded by alliance members under the banner of gross crimes against humanity.

thoughts?

Ummm...do I owe you a penny for them? I can look to recruite nations that can take the first actions, then we can come in as support only, once we recieve enemy reply we can come to the alliance for aide. The war would not be our fault, plus this action would be in support of a defensive move against the nation...some how though I feel as if he is watching us.

Also hows a government run terrorist orginization sound? Im trying to create a group called 'The Syndicate' that is owned and controlled by our government but runs on its own time. The group is basically our secret police. (Hope that isn`t to socialist...like almost communist.)

Ummm...do I owe you a penny for them? I can look to recruite nations that can take the first actions, then we can come in as support only, once we recieve enemy reply we can come to the alliance for aide. The war would not be our fault, plus this action would be in support of a defensive move against the nation...some how though I feel as if he is watching us.

Also hows a government run terrorist orginization sound? Im trying to create a group called 'The Syndicate' that is owned and controlled by our government but runs on its own time. The group is basically our secret police. (Hope that isn`t to socialist...like almost communist.)

OOC: I'm working a lot, so I might be off and on NS sparodically. On the syndicate thing: I'm not sure how much I like it, but, it is your country's internal affairs and I don't have a say in it. So I'll just turn a blind eye to it.

OOC: I'm working a lot, so I might be off and on NS sparodically. On the syndicate thing: I'm not sure how much I like it, but, it is your country's internal affairs and I don't have a say in it. So I'll just turn a blind eye to it.

soo...what you dont have a KGB

On the same and yet differant note I have finally names the wal-mart 'secret shoppers' I call them 'Wallies KGB' ^.^

soo...what you dont have a KGB

On the same and yet differant note I have finally names the wal-mart 'secret shoppers' I call them 'Wallies KGB' ^.^

haha.

my nation doesn't have its own version of the KGB.

We have the Blargistanian police force (BPF) the military (BGF, BNF, BAF) and our fully integrated intelligence service (ISB) and thats about it.

There are sepratist and terrorist movements within the nation, as well as ultra-nationalist and religious movements, but the government does its best to keep those to a minimum by making sure the citizens are happy and secure living where they are.

Not to take over anything, but Nerotika is going to put Kravania under human rights investigation...I do not want to cause international termoil or whatnot but I do believe if the ILSS sent in a counsil it would help me out. Just look for the thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485616

Go here for the thread. I hope you all join in helping me.

FROM: The Regierung von Leuten of Sozialistische Preusen Ministry of Foreign Affairs
TO: The ILSS

We, the Regierung von Leuten of Sozialistische Preusen, wish to join this alliance in hopes of the betterment of not only our nation, but the nation of man. We await a reply. Thank you for your time.

- Premier Imre Schultz
- Minister of Armed Forces Jonas Fuchs
- Minister of Foreign Affairs Helmuth Kunze

okay, more or less back in action.

New ILSS thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11142990#post11142990

Nerotika: I have officially endorsed the investigation into Kravania's human rights abuses. Action will be pending after the results of the investigation are confirmed. You may want to let Kravania know in a TG.

SP: I have reviewed the information available on your nation and I find you a more than acceptable candidate for membership within the ILSS with one exception. The ILSS would prefer to see the level of civil rights within your nation rise to the acceptable UN ranking of "Good" or "Fair".

The alliance will consider you a member, but until the wished of the ILSS care realized, the SP will not be granted a vote in matters of alliance welfar. If the civil rights ranking should happen, then a voting vioice shall be granted to SP.

And my nation has a stronger economy...

SP: I have reviewed the information available on your nation and I find you a more than acceptable candidate for membership within the ILSS with one exception. The ILSS would prefer to see the level of civil rights within your nation rise to the acceptable UN ranking of "Good" or "Fair".

The alliance will consider you a member, but until the wished of the ILSS care realized, the SP will not be granted a vote in matters of alliance welfar. If the civil rights ranking should happen, then a voting vioice shall be granted to SP.

FROM: The Regierung von Leuten of Sozialistische Preusen Ministry of Foreign Affairs
TO: The ILSS

We understand this dilemma, and we were already working on this issue before you asked us too.


- Premier Imre Schultz
- Minister of Armed Forces Jonas Fuchs
- Minister of Foreign Affairs Helmuth Kunze

OOC: I really actually was, it used to be at the one above good, forget which that is, but I don't know how it slipped.

notice to all members - - - -


the official invision free board is up.

Here is the address: http://z7.invisionfree.com/ILSS_Conference_Room/index.php?

please register and start to use instead of this thread.

query....


I have http://s15.invisionfree.com/ILSS as the ILSS forum address. Since when did it change to this new one?

query....


I have http://s15.invisionfree.com/ILSS as the ILSS forum address. Since when did it change to this new one?

That was the temp froum till we got around to an official one. The one I have posted is the official ILSS off site message board. Please use it.

knock knock people, post on the off site forum, make this alliance mean something.

How goes the alliance?

Very slowly.

There has been no action in about 2 months.

It would be nice to see a comeback though.

We'll peace isn't so bad.

Any idea on what we can do...?

I could get that tag back in my tagline....

I'm on the brink of war myself interested in a defensive action?

Here's the story -

I was wheeling.. and I came upon two offers for airbase tenders... so I responded to both...

one was with Blackhelm (Griffencrest)
and the other with

The PeoplesFreedom

Blackhelm was smooth and we approached hammering out an agreement
TPF said no your rules are too strick (the same offer was given to both) the offer basically said I inspect everything and you can't launch offensives from the base, I also reserve the right to say who is allowed on the base (in reason) and it was a lease.

TPF decided to embargo me because TPF though I had agreed to the Blackhelm base.. which I hadn't done yet (after the fact due to the situation I will almost definately approve the construction of the base etc.. at this point)

TPF also threatened *other punishment.

I said essentially that unless you reverse your decision then it is a state of war, where upon I started mustering allies in defence against TPF.

TPF is a member of GASN (which oddly I just prior to being embargoed started the admissions process to...)

GASN now seems to be at war with me.. no actual fighting yet but words are being thrown around.

I could use your help in defending against GASN.

Just a note: There is A GASN member here in the ILSS, that would be me.

ICCD, while I might not support you accepting Blackhelm's Airbase, I do think TPF's shouldnt have threatened you, you have my full (although not military) Moral support.

That is always good, thanks.

It seems like it is dying down quite abit.. GASN sorta is on a hiatus.. and if something did happen I'd be like 99% more likely to jump in with CA.. since it appears to be mostly GASN that is at me over this... although hopefully the peacetalks go ok...

It'd be an odd war.. logistics would be crazy.. I don't see why they would like me as an ally.. why is everyone so.. DONT LET BLACKHELM HAVE A BASE?

Do advise cause if there is a good reason I'd like to know.. sure the ships etc.. look pretty deadly but I hardly see them as a threat.. it wouldn't be worth it for him to attack me.. and it is more likely the base will end up being a storage depot unless a common war unfolds that both me and blackhelm agree to in that case the base could serve other purposes..

I'm keeping an eye on the this thread ICCD. Let me know if anything new pops up.

Can I join?

Why I don't see why not..what does (any) everybody else think.. even if the rest of the alliance isn't ok with it ICCD is willing to have a bilateral alliance.

I dont know if anyone wants me to but, really im doing it anyways. Im going to create a new thread. The ILSS should be modernized because from what I see its been two months sence the last post. Hope no one forgot about us. I will need a list of members TG'd to me Blarg, and im still representing you as the leading country. This thread will hopfully bring us back into the eyes of the international community...if we were ever there ^.^

link in here if you do start a new thread so it links in for reference..
m-o

Do the ILSS still exist? Yeah, I too believe it should be modernized...

I hope it still exist, but I havnt heard anything from Blarg in a long time.

Of course it still exists. It is like the USSR before it disolved after Russia and others seperated and formed the CIS and independant republics with non centered government.

While Kanami sees this alliance as a potential freind, there are a few articles that may prove to be problematic with Kanmi's interventionist nature. Kanami is not afraid to use force to uphold some of the most basic human rights in the world, and naturally stop the disorder that can result from something such as famin, natural disaster, genocide, etc. Kanami has interveened in multiple events, all for the protection of others. Two of our most recent interventionest projects are:

1. The Princstable War was a cooperative coalition of Kanami and Princstable forces to remove the rebel forces and restore order to the nation. Upon the capture of the Rebel Leader Kanami and Princstable drafted a treaty between the waring parties, and Kanami has since established an embassy. Kanami & Princstable are now good freinds.

2. The Hanover Conflict was a half-half agressive tactic. Kanami took the island chain of Hanover beloning to Stevid which was serving as a military out post. Kanami was only taking these islands due to problematic relations with Stevid, in order to
a) Reduce the strong military presence there
b) Free any and all civil prisoners*
c) Keeping in agreement with a protectorate pact signed with small indiginous colonies, non regognized as states, within the Hanover proximity. Due to the potential dangers of Stevid taking these islands, or otherwise being fired upon by a militant colony and firing back.

Kanami was intending to return these islands to Stevid following the Conflict, but with GDI/HotDogs2 Intervention, we were forced into early withdrawl.

Due to the Nature of Hanover, it is unlikely you will admit us to your alliance, but Kanami will always keep you in mind.

Thank you,

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

*Civil Prisoners=As defined as a prisoner of "faith" (the basis soley on their religion)

it is wonderful for you to stop in and introduce kind relations with the ILSS.

even if you are not admited into the ILSS due to not agreeing to it's charter ICCD would atleast like to offer an embasy exchange.

beleive it or not, ICCD also breify was involved in the prinstable invasion, however later withdrew when it appeared that the situation was fast resolving as to being contained and information the main reason for observing in the area was obtained.

Also a bunch of people running around and shooting at anything and flame throwing down sections of forest didn't seem to ideal for a covert operation.

Sorry everyone. I've been really busy with school lately, especially this week with midterms (3 tomorrow ack!)

So, I'm just now re-getting into NS.

I will do my best to read this thread over and start up with something new again. In the meantime, for anyone that hasn't seen it yet, we have an official forum:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/ILSS_Conference_Room/

I, Prima Compagnia Di'Farranti would like to register formal application of membership of the ILSS on behalf of the people of New-Avalon.

Ours is a unified confederation of city states organised via houses, all goods belong to the people of New-Avalon as a collective rather then as individuals, therefore international trade will be handled by the compagnie d'Industria in Avalon City. embassies can be prepared in Esariana.

Blessing

Compagnia Di'Farranti

Leocardia - You have the formal acceptance of the head of foreign affairs of the ILSS (me) granting your nation membership into the ranks of the ILSS.

Kanami - The Foreign Affairs seat would like to accept you into the alliance. Keep in mind that the conflicts you choose to involve yourself in can be brought to the ILSS for review and potential aid on a case by case basis.

If the alliance chooses not to intervene, your nation still has soverignty and can involve itself in its own affairs, including its own conflicts. In light of this, there is no reason to deny your petition for membership.

New-Avalon - On behalf of the ILSS, Blargistania, the seat of Foreign Affairs, I formally accept you petition and welcome you to the ranks of the ILSS.

OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC COMMUNIQUE
TO: The Leadership of the ILSS
FROM: Mr Larry Williams, Minister of Foreign Affairs

It has been quite some time since we have sent a communique to the ILSS, we have sad to say that after the ILSS has made a decision to allow a nation that the Dark Empire considers an Enemy of the Empire into the ranks of the ILSS, we are temporarilly withdrawing from the ILSS until such a time as we feel that it is nessicary for the Dark Empire to rejoin the ranks of the ILSS.

We do not know how long it will take us to make this decision but we will notify you when we have made it. Thank you for your time.

I Hope all member nations who still exsist manage to see this and respond as I wish to take our guidlines and revive the ILSS. But before then I want to revise our guidlines and add and edit to it before te 'Rebirth' of such is made. I still recongnize Blarg as the chairman and so I believe it is only right to have his nation onboard toward the rebirth of an alliance that could have gotten far.

I Hope all member nations who still exsist manage to see this and respond as I wish to take our guidlines and revive the ILSS. But before then I want to revise our guidlines and add and edit to it before te 'Rebirth' of such is made. I still recongnize Blarg as the chairman and so I believe it is only right to have his nation onboard toward the rebirth of an alliance that could have gotten far.

HOw goes your revival?