NationStates Jolt Archive

This is a new RP. The plot starts in 1863 when the Confederate States of America win the battle of Gettysburg and ultimatly win the American Civil War. The Civil War has just ended. You can control a nation from this epoch. When Choosing your nation read this list and pick a nation that could affect the outcome of the world. When we start we will all make one post taking our nation to 1900. then we will RP up to 2000 and maybe further.

Here are nations that are already taken:
The United States of America
Confederate States of America
British Empire
Japan
Prussia
Austria
Russia
Belgium(until 1948)
Israel

Is Japan taken? If not, I shall conquer it and call it.dun dun dun...Japan.

Give me Prussia.

Call me Otto, cause I'm about to unify some Germanic states.

I shall make it my mission to use the british empire to strangle the german empire at birth, thereby avoiding all the subsequent misery it causes.

ill go Austria-Hungary,

i would play the united coalition of indiginous cultures if that was an available option and i was interested. hmmm but shouldn't this be in the international incidents or game play forums?

=^^=
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Can I be Pitcairn Island?

Wrong forum. II is a good place for roleplays where I think you'll find a dozen other similar RPs.

I know a good bit about the Civil War, and i think i might join as the CSA.

Japan already had trading links with the USA and CSA. in 1865 they'll still be in their infancy and there was a foreign trade port in Yokohama and in Nagasaki.

Its still a death sentence for foreigners to leave these areas although.

I will take England.

Im not in the wrong forum i wanted to be special. Every one will be added to the list on my first post.

We would have to agree at what the treaty that ended the Civil War gives the CSA.

i would think that a treaty would either have absorbed the USA into the CSA or the country would have been divided up and a smaller USA surviving. How small although is another story.

You also have Canada as well to throw into the mix and its still likely that there'll still be bad blood between them and the USA.

I was thinking that a posible treaty last night and came up with this idea. The CSA gets Kentuky, the New Mexico and Arizona territory, and West Virginia, while the CSA allows the USA to keep Missouri and Maryland.

I'd like to claim Russia, if possible.

I would like to take Israel, as soon as it exists. Of course until 1948 Israel doesn't exist and not until 1890 do things even get interesting.

So until 1890/1948 I'll choose Belgium.

Treaty options
The US having taken a beating in the war just wants it to end really. I have two ideas for this: a) Lincoln admits defeat and surrenders to the Confeds. Geting absorbed into the Confederacy. Or b) The nation is split in to two halves and each state holds an election to decide which one they will be a part of. (I tend to favor option "a" but then I would have no country to RP)

Just tell me when you guys are ready and Ill start writing the ic thread

Just tell me when you guys are ready and Ill start writing the ic thread

Just tell me when you guys are ready and Ill start writing the ic thread

Treaty options
The US having taken a beating in the war just wants it to end really. I have two ideas for this: a) Lincoln admits defeat and surrenders to the Confeds. Geting absorbed into the Confederacy. Or b) The nation is split in to two halves and each state holds an election to decide which one they will be a part of. (I tend to favor option "a" but then I would have no country to RP)

I highly doubt the CSA would have had the manpower in the Civil War to occupy the north so a) is unrealistic. The whole point of the civil war was to separate from the USA. You realize, though, that if you hold elections like that Maryland will likely go with the south and you lose Washington DC. The US government used force in 1861 to put down secessionist revolts in Maryland.

I think by 1865 the North would be willing to take any deal that would end the war, even if they lose most of the boder states. This is my option, option c):

CSA gets: West Virginia, Kentuky, the Indian Territory, and the New Mexico Territory.

USA gets: to keep Missouri, Deleware, and Maryland.

I would like to play as Mexico, please. Also, how are we handling issues regarding Economic/Military changes etc. and how they would affect the development of the country?

Another question to add on to that. What is the starting date for the rp, 1900? 35 years is long strech of time to assume what happened. I would suggest starting the game in 1875 or 1885.

by 1875 you have the wild west opening up and the Meiji restoration in Japan has happened.

any chance you need a Second (French) Empire

Hawaii, please. Ya, you just TRY, to annex us now, US! I dare you! King Sandeya will stop you!

Hawaii, please. Ya, you just TRY, to annex us now, US! I dare you! King Sandeya will stop you!

If US fails, the CSA (me) will annex you. I need a port in the Pacific anyway...

If US fails, the CSA (me) will annex you. I need a port in the Pacific anyway...

No, that's the job for the great empire of Napoleon III

With the CSA we could use the same way they did in Harry Turtledove. Also Great Britain never formally saw the CSA as a country. My England will. I will give full support. I will help the CSA very much in different ways. Also give the native americans more respect than the USA did. They will become good allies. Also Hawaii you better get ready for some hell.

My goal is to try and forge peace on continental Europe- make nice with Prussia and seek to preserve the French Empire from being destroyed into the chaos of the Third Republic.

Everyone eventually will be tripping over themselves as Hawaii.

The problem with CSA having Hawaii is that Mexico blocks it from getting to it. I will get the CSA a island state. Also call the Indian Territory: Sequoya.If the US dares attack you Danard I will order Canada to attack.

The problem with CSA having Hawaii is that Mexico blocks it from getting to it. I will get the CSA a island state. Also call the Indian Territory: Sequoya.If the US dares attack you Danard I will order Canada to attack.

Canada at the time was as militarily effective as a gerbil.

Canada at the time was as militarily effective as a gerbil.

Never underestimate the wrath of determined gerbile, young padawan...

Yeah it is right now.

Who says Mexico is blocking be from it, I'll just buy Sonora from them then...wait, crap, thats been done. (You can tell i read Turtledove)

Who says Mexico is blocking be from it, I'll just buy Sonora from them then...wait, crap, thats been done. (You can tell i read Turtledove)

We'll just pull out of Mexico and do something more useful- such as develop decent artillery.

That is if Mexico agrees. If they do buy Sonora and Chihhahua. I'm reading Turtledove right now. So you are going to make your CSA like Turtledove's. I'm making a way you can get Cuba right now. Also Hawaii will be the Sandwich Islands. Yes Servais join and be an ally of the CSA and England. The three of us should form a alliance.

That is if Mexico agrees. If they do buy Sonora and Chihhahua. I'm reading Turtledove right now. So you are going to make your CSA like Turtledove's. I'm making a way you can get Cuba right now. Also Hawaii will be the Sandwich Islands.

Not exactly the same as Turtledove's CSA, I have a different idea in the 20th century CSA. I finished reading How Few Remain in several days, great stuff. I am assuming what you are reading now. If so, what just happened.

Wait, doesn't Spain own Cuba?

They will not after I take care of them. I'm reading The Great War: A Walk In Hell. Also How Few Remain is a good one. Abe Lincoln a red with Fredrick Douglas.

I don't have the book after How Few Remain, so I am reading Guns of the South now.

The next has to do with the Great War. The book after How Few Remain is American Front. I think there are eleven books. One is coming out this year another one is coming out 2007.

i've seen those myself and I have read "walk in hell" which covers the communist slave revolt in the CSA.

i think he's got up to WW2 in that series as well.

Yes is up to WW2. WW2 will have four books.

As Belgium, I'm going to get an even bigger Congo and manage so well that I will have a lot of extra troops for WWI. And of course exploit the natives and get a hell of a lot of money out of there.

So, are the Yankees goin gto nuke the Japs in this or not?

That is if we have a WW2.

ok we will go to 1870 when we start. Your first post will be what has happened to your claimed nation since the Civil War. Im gonna start writing the ic now.

I highly doubt the CSA would have had the manpower in the Civil War to occupy the north so a) is unrealistic. The whole point of the civil war was to separate from the USA. You realize, though, that if you hold elections like that Maryland will likely go with the south and you lose Washington DC. The US government used force in 1861 to put down secessionist revolts in Maryland.

I think by 1865 the North would be willing to take any deal that would end the war, even if they lose most of the boder states. This is my option, option c):

CSA gets: West Virginia, Kentuky, the Indian Territory, and the New Mexico Territory.

USA gets: to keep Missouri, Deleware, and Maryland.


Pyronne, do have any input on this?

That seems the right way to go.

i agree and have put it in my opener. I need a name for it.. any siggestions

also it think that it would be good that in the 1900s the US and CS become allies like the US and Britain did

A question, are our nations going to all have separate threds?

no ill put a link on here when i finish the op

So we are posting on the One IC thred?

Yes we are all going to post on this thread

Danard I'm going to post after you do so. Remeber the English formally saw you as a country and gave you full support.

We could use a spain.

This is not very organized... ok these are the Nations I have signed-up and their RPers. We are going to redo the IC thread because of all the ooc stuff that happened. I don't care if your new post is the same thing. I'll make a new IC thread when we get some more people to join and run at least Spain.

USA/AFE- Pyronne
CSA- Danard
British Empire-Canadstein
Japan-Avika
Prussia-AllCoolNamesAreTaken
Austria-Hungry-Dehny
Russia-Madnestan
Belgium-Milchama
Israel-Milchama
Canada-OPEN
Mexico-Farlingsworth
France-Sevaris
Hawaii-Sandeya
Spain-Open

You still doing this Pyronne?

i would like to but no one is signing up

OCC: Perhaps I could divulge my thoughts on this matter:

Firstly, I believe that the Union (The United States before the Civil War) should be divided in the following fashion:

Confederacy:

- Virginia
- South Carolina
- North Carolina
- Tennesse
- Florida
- Louisiana
- Alabama
- Georgia
- Mississippi
- Texas
- Indian Territory
- Kentucky
- Arkansas

Territories:

- New Mexico

Union

- California
- Connecticut
- Delaware
- Illinois
- Indiana
- Iowa
- Kansas
- Maine
- Maryland
- Massachusetts
- Michigan
- Minnesota
- Missouri
- New Hampshire
- New Jersey
- New York
- Ohio
- Oregon
- Pennsylvania
- Rhode Island
- Vermont
- Wisconsin
- West Virginia

Territories

- Colorado
- Dakota
- Nebraska
- Nevada
- Utah
- Washington

I believe this configuration would be the most realistic as West Virginia had become a state for the sole purpose of escpaing the Confederacy and US authorities had used martial law throughout the early stages of the war to silence Pro-Confederate supporters in Maryland, Missouri ect. and would still use this leverage at the end of the war to keep these states in the Union. In Maryland especially, the Union would have sought to retain control as if the state went to the Confederacy, the US de jure capitol at Washington DC would have been surrounded by the Confederacy and the probably de facto capitol at Philidelphia would have been dangerously close to Confederate territory.

With Kentucky, since the Confederacy did actively recognize and support their 'neutral' regime during the course of the Civil War, it would be quite obvious that they would side with the Confederacy and being that the United States has no interest in maintaining worthless Indian territories, they would most definately cede the Indian Territory to the CSA.

As for New Mexico Territory, in the event the Britain and France mediated the conflict to a conclusion (which they would have if the CSA managed to gather their support) these territories would have been ceded to the CSA as the US would have no room to maneuver and was in a relatively weak military position with the destruction of the Army of the Potomac at Gettysburg. With the rest of the territories (maybe excluding Utah because of Mormon prejudice), they heartily supported the Union.

But that's just my opinion on the matter.

Oh and by the way, I'll place my claim on Canada (although it technically did not exsist until 1867).

Since nobody else is willing to do it, I guess I'll take Spain.

I would like to play as either Abyssinia or Italy, but I can't decide. Can you not give these out for a couple hours while I decide?

The one differece between your projected division and the one me and Pyronne agreed on is that West Virginia was forced into the Confederacy, (I am pretty sure that Southerners would have thought that West Virginia's separation from Virginia illigal).

I will play as Bavaria/Southern German Confederation, if that is possible

This is not very organized... ok these are the Nations I have signed-up and their RPers. We are going to redo the IC thread because of all the ooc stuff that happened. I don't care if your new post is the same thing. I'll make a new IC thread when we get some more people to join. The RPing will start at 1870 so Canada will be a country. I will give every one a day to recuit and plan your stance till i start it.

USA/AFE- Pyronne
CSA- Danard
British Empire-Canadstein
Japan-Avika
Prussia-AllCoolNamesAreTaken
Austria-Hungry-Dehny
Russia-Madnestan
Belgium-Milchama
Israel-Milchama
Canada-Lachenburg
Mexico-Farlingsworth
France-Sevaris
Hawaii-Sandeya
Spain-Elite Battle Hordes
Bavaria/Southern German Confederation-Titicus
Italy-Voxio

Here are the first a series of maps I am collecting for this time period. Feel free to edit and/or procure new maps if mine are not deemed sufficent.

Maps:

Europe (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~atpc/graphic/map-europe-1864.gif)
North America (http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/1857/teamcrest11tu.png)
South America (http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/samerica/sam1860.GIF)

i like the Europe map but i am working on a North American map showing just the US and CS.

keep those maps they will come in handy thank you.
this is my map of the American nations after the civil war...the territories have been divided up

http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ifthecsawon9bw.png

here is africa circa 1870
http://www.lclark.edu/~levinger/History%20121%20web%20site/Web%20handouts/Africa%201870-1914.jpg

Your going to need a map of Africa because the Belgians are going to go a colonizing. Congo here we come.

as of now i am closing it off. No more people signing up
im going to write it IC thread... use this thread for your ooc stuff

That is if Great Britain let's you.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10279340#post10279340

this is the IC thread please keep it in charactor

here is africa circa 1870
http://www.lclark.edu/~levinger/History%20121%20web%20site/Web%20handouts/Africa%201870-1914.jpg
Here's a larger version of the little map off to the side. I went through and personally checked each colony to make sure it was owned [I also have asia checked too if you want me to post that.].
http://www.maj.com/gallery/zekk55/1870/africa.png
Pink = France
Red = Spain
Dark Red = Britain
Orange = Ottoman Empire
Purple = Portugal

BTW, Just keep your hands off the Horn of Africa and Italy will be happy.

The American Federal Empire can assure you that it has no interest in Africa

The American Federal Empire can assure you that it has no interest in Africa
Sorry, that was targeted at the other european powers, not the AFE.

Also, can you check youe TG box and send me an answer to the question I sent you?

i sent you a tg reply. I would not mind having Italy as a ally of the AFE...(wink)

Bump

You people are butchering history. And it makes me sad. So very sad. Alternate history is fun, when it is in the confines of reality. COme on. The CSA actually winning the ACW? No way in hell. Not in '64-'65. An American Empire? Do you honestly thank that the citizens ofthe United States would go for something like that?

Sheesh.

Actually we did have a American empire after the Spanish American War. Also the Confederates could have won like in the Timeline-191 by Harry Turtledove.

You people are butchering history. And it makes me sad. So very sad. Alternate history is fun, when it is in the confines of reality. COme on. The CSA actually winning the ACW? No way in hell. Not in '64-'65. An American Empire? Do you honestly thank that the citizens ofthe United States would go for something like that?

Sheesh.

Coinceidentaly, "No way in hell" is also the odds that the American colonists would beat the Brittish to win their independance.

I do agree with you though on an empire. A dictator after a while would make sense, but not an empire.

Will there be a factbook thread?

I was wondering about how the Italian player is uniting Italy just by his will. He is saying that states are joining each other that don't belong to him.

I am ok with this but, as a German state, can I just say that I have united parts of Germany?

Hey, if they can do it can I unite my country, Spain, with Portugal? I mean Spain and Portugal are about as similar as some of the Italian and German states.

Also, someone want to help me in my war against Britain? Or at least help with negotiations to end the war?

I was wondering about how the Italian player is uniting Italy just by his will. He is saying that states are joining each other that don't belong to him.
All but two of these areas was historically part of Italy by now and the other two are historically and culturally Italian. I asked for permission before I claimed them.

Hey, if they can do it can I unite my country, Spain, with Portugal? I mean Spain and Portugal are about as similar as some of the Italian and German states.
Well, there is one problem with that. Both nations were empires by this point where the Italian states were just small countries. Chances are neither Portugal nor Spain would be able to hold their colonies from the stronger outside nations.

You would have a stronger Spain [Hispania/Iberia may be a more appropriate name under such circumstances], but would have even less colonies.

You could attack Portugal now, but it would likely weaken you too much and I would likely do what I can to attain the Portugese Colonies and I'm sure other nations would do the same.

I really wish someone would offer a better price for Cuba. I mean I said is was worth at least five million but in reality it is probably worth quite a bit more. All you have to do is offer more than 3 million pounds and you can have it.

OK well you guys don't sound happy with the alternate time line...but you have been busy

ok so ill hit highlights of what i know about you guys's planes(sorry about my english im in a rush)

USA- lost ACW became empire with ELECTED LEADERS(an empire in name only.) (i would also like to amend relations with CSA...you know not be enemies)

CSA- won ACW Lee became prez.

Spain- Struggling as an empire and wanting to unite Iberia (i.e. portugal)

Great Britain- trying to take over Cuba and/or expand their empire allies with CSA

Italy- Untited the Penensula seeking alliganece with the USA.

Gemanic nations are uniteing...

Pyronne, why don't you purchase Cuba? Britain was offering three million pounds, beat that by even a small amount (say you add that I get trading rights) and you can have it.

the offer i have given you is based on the fact that the pound and the dollar are equal...i know they were not but its easier for the math part

If it is not to late to join, I'll take China

Well, yes Italy was mostly united by now, but didn't have Venice or Rome, so the whole Roman Republic thing is hard to see happening. Those two areas are puppets of Austria and France at this time and Italy had to fight to get them.

I am trying to unite small German states, not a major empire like portugal, but don't think anyone can just say I have them. So I will kinda rp it.

Yeah, I am going to go and accept that offer.

Bump

Since it seems I am going to be getting 3.5 million dollars I think now is a good time to figure out what that is worth. How much does everyone think that should be worth (adjusted for inflation)?

That is a decent amount of money.

Is the year still 1870?

Yes

Well, president Lee is basically dying at this point, and it looks like his Vice Pres. will soon take over for him (the guy oddly looks like my Latin Teacher):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin

Perhaps we should just use the modern American dollar for all transactions. Anyway, whatever we do I hope everyone gives some input so we can come to a decision soon.

for all monetary transactions and such we will assume that all monetary units(pounds, dollars, francs, yen...) equal 1 ameriacan dollar its easier for the math

We should set up a time system

Jan/Feb- Sunday
Mar/April- Monday
May/June- Tuesday
July- Wedenesday
Aug- Thursday
Sept/Oct- Friday
Nov/Dec- Saturday

I understand that 1 Dollar = 1 Pound = 1 Mark, but what about inflation? We should adjust for inflation and give everything in modern American Dollars. That means instead of 3.5 million we will from now on say 500 million, or something like that.

Can I rp a Florida sepratist group in the CSA?

Lunar Lands']Can I rp a Florida sepratist group in the CSA?

Why would Florida separate? Separatist groups would make more sense in California, Oragon, Utah, or Texas. I am curious about why Florida would separate.

keep that "shedule" i like it...how about every 10 years we adjust for inflation.
if you want to rp a separatist group in florida you will have to talk to Danard, he is runing the CSA

Why? Well in all reality Florida has always really been spanish. And I live in Florida....and want to create the empire of Grand Florida, spanning all the caribbean!

Why would they want to leave then, they supported the CSA in the Civil War, so why would they?

I live in florida too but they have never really been rebellious in my opinion...also the AFE(usa) owns Cuba. We just bought it from spain.

1. Some Seminoles in Florida refuse to acknowledge the federal government, so I'll just say it's a Seminole movement. They do hate America.
2. To say Florida really supported the confederacy is crazy. What did they have to gain? Nothing really, most of the state was still swamp. The confederacy wanted to use Florida as it's breadbasket. Plus, if Florida didn't join, they would be surronded by foes.

Yeah so, lets make it a Seminole takeover!

I still want to know how much that 3.5 million is worth. Worth has to do with how much something can buy. Right now 3.5 million can't buy much, but back in 1870 it could. I want to come to a decision as to exactly how much it could buy though. I suggest we multiply everything by ten thousand to figure out what the worth in modern day is. That means I would have received 35 billion modern dollars worth for Cuba; pocket change for the United States.

Southerners in Florida fought hard and won battles for the south on their home soil. Florida's state capitol was the only confederate capital in the Civil War not to fall to the Union, so it is also crazy to say they did not support the south.

I will let Pyronne make a final ruling on this.

The majority of Florida honestly didn't care much for the confederacy. When union troops came into West Florida they were greeted warmly. Besisdes, half of the state was still wild, and only minmally controlled.

But back to allowing me to join...?

It is ultimatly Pyronne's decicion.

You should really Utah and be Mormons and rebel against America.

The United States bought the Louisiana Purchase from Fance in 1803 for $15 million or 80 million francs in total. (If adjusted for the relative share of GDP, this amount would equal approximately $390 billion in 2003).

Think about it. This some time later, for a more prosperous territory, but far smaller.

(By the way starting to look more and more like a bad deal... heh)

Seeing as how there was actually deflation between 1803 and 1870 I estimate the total amount payed for Cuba at 130 billion dollars. Not too shabby.

Now Italy, you offered 2 million Lire for Costa Rica. Seeing as how you now know that is about 50 billion dollars, do you still wish to make that transaction? Guam and the Philippians are also for sale. (I bet Japan and the US will have a bidding war over the Phillippians because that will influence what happens in WWII.)

Now Italy, you offered 2 million Lire for Costa Rica. Seeing as how you now know that is about 50 billion dollars, do you still wish to make that transaction? Guam and the Philippians are also for sale. (I bet Japan and the US will have a bidding war over the Phillippians because that will influence what happens in WWII.)
I will be willing to buy all of them. Here's what I'll pay:
Puerto rico ~ 750,000 Lire
Philippines ~750,000 Lire
Guam ~ 100,000 Lire

[Edit: On second though, I don't want these the other nations that much...only POuerto Rico.]

I think i am going to have to match the Italian bid on Porto Rico(since I lost a big chance with Cuba).

we might not have ww2.....
As for the Florida thing. I don't think it would have actually happened, but i am willing to allow Danard to decide because the CSA is his nation. I would say no but i am making it his choice. If he says no then it is a no. You can still join, though.

You know if Italy buys all of that. They will have major problems with money. They will probably will have most of their reserve empty.

Which is partly why I am matching the bid on Puerto Rico, to help them.

Plus the added cost of keeping up your colonies.

Well, I want puerto Rico more than the rest of it, and the land is going to be sold out to Italian trading companies.

I will just keep outbiding you till you give up with the money i get from britain.

I will just keep outbiding you till you give up with the money i get from britain.
You're going to have to outbid me first. You've only matched it.

Maybe I'll just keep bidding to drive the price up so you have to pay more than you are willing too.

Fine, I'll keep outbiding you till I feel like stopping.

Oh, Pyronne, all of the anti-war Democrats would be screaming bloody murder right about now.

I doubt the Anti-War Democrats would have nearly as much problem with defending their land from a foriegn power as they would from attacking their own nation "unprovoked." Anyway, Danard, you gonna raise that bid? Anyone want to bid on any of my other colonies?

Hey when is 1871 coming around. Nothing important is going to happen in Belgium until then. We don't have the money nor the will to bid because we're about to get a HUGE chunk of land and I don't see the point of ICly offering condolenses to the CSA's leader nor do I think the CSA would care that much.

Hey when is 1871 coming around. Nothing important is going to happen in Belgium until then. We don't have the money nor the will to bid because we're about to get a HUGE chunk of land and I don't see the point of ICly offering condolenses to the CSA's leader nor do I think the CSA would care that much.
There's a war going on atm, I don't think jumping ahead a year is a good idea until the war is over.

1871 will officially come in to being on Sunday...there is a "shedule" back a few pages.

I doubt the Anti-War Democrats would have nearly as much problem with defending their land from a foriegn power as they would from attacking their own nation "unprovoked." Anyway, Danard, you gonna raise that bid? Anyone want to bid on any of my other colonies?

Yeah, I'm raising.

Yeah, I'm raising.
By how much exactly.

EBH, talk to me before you accept his offer. It's likely that I will raise him, but I can't say for sure until I know what he's raising me by.

Don't worry Vox, he has not made an offer.

What currency do I use to raise, Italian for simplicity?

Has Italy Been Taken?

Yes.

What currency do I use to raise, Italian for simplicity?
Well, as I understand, all currencies are woth the same rate for the purpose of this RP. So 1 Lire would be the same as 1 Pounds.

nobody is playing as the major powers in central europe, so I can't really do much - are those players here?

I am going to attempt a unification with Portugal; anyone want to rp them for me?

I am going to attempt a unification with Portugal; anyone want to rp them for me?

Yeh sure i just need some background with what Portugal is like at the time.

Actually, before I rp a war I am going to try to unite with them peacefully. Basically I have an idea for how I would convince them to unify with me, and I want to see if everyone thinks this would work:

What I would do is send an ultimatum to the Portuguese crown demanding that they merge with Spain, or I will declare war. Although this alone would not work there is more to it. Since in this rp timeline Spain has become a democracy at this point our monarchy has been forced into retirement. The incentive for the Portuguese king, Louis The Popular, is that I will have a female from the former Spanish royalty come out of retirement and marry him. This will make him not only king of Portugal, but also Spain. So he in one sense will gain power from this, but since he will be little more than a figurehead he will in another sense lose power. Overall he comes out of this roughly equal if he accepts, but if he doesn't accept he stands to lose everything.

By the way, I am pretty sure I would have an ally in this war, so the Portuguese king would know there was little chance of him winning.

By the way, the first time I proposed the idea to the king of Portugal I would leave out the military threat part.

It has been quite some time since anyone has posted in any thread; everbody still playing? Anyway, if I do end up fighting Portugal I am going to need some help. That is, I have searched all over and haven't been able to find their military size and composition during this period. I would appreciate if someone pointed me in the direction of a good source (or good way to find one) for this information. Also, I have only been able to find my own (Spain's) military composition from 1898.

I can't do anything, no one is responding to what I do arround me. I could just conquer all of Germany, but that wouldn't be very cool.

Sorry I have not posted, I've just been a little depressed. My hair, which I have been growing to donate to locks for love, cought fire durring a cooking accedent. I had to cut off 6 inches of it and now I can't donate it and it looks less pretty.

My depression is ending and I'm wondering if any of you are still here. If so I'd like to try and bring life back into this RP as it is quite possibly the most fitting RP for me.

well we could use some life but we need to get everyone else to post...sorry about your hair

ok due to lack of action for over a week this thread is declared dead. some one else can resurect it

ok due to lack of action for over a week this thread is declared dead. some one else can resurect it

Indeed, I shall. But it will most likely be through either an offisite forum or another, more organized NS thread (No offense meant).

The Role-Play has been revived!

Age of Revolutions (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10447441#post10447441)