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In the International Incidents forums. It will seem like this world has been taken over by blood thirsty dictators, everywhere I look there is an repressive law there, a genocide there and an silencing of democracy somewhere else. With me withdrawing from the Czardas due to my inability to have decent MT to battle the enemy, I can only witness as democracy slowly wither away. Is NS a site where dictators gather?

It seems to make better story to have a bloodhtirsty baby eating, demon possessed dictator (which I myself do not possess but I beleive Damien Dreadfire fits neatly into the above catagory) then an average schmo who was elected for his foreign policy.

There are a fair few democracies, and a few other nations that could be democaracies but never do anything but military RP's.

*cough* Sarzonia, Praetonia, Pacitalia, et al. *cough*

Just because someone wants to RP a dictatorship doesn't mean they're a RL neo-nazi.

Hey, I'm a democracy! Sorta... It's still a democracy if only part of the population can vote, correct?

i am a democracy, granted i do not rp here at all anymore. most people find it more interesting to rp as a pyschotic ruler than as a charasmatic politician. military rps are easier and more popular than agriculture summits because they give the writers excitment and besides, would you like a world that is bothered with menial problems like urban sprawl, bird flu and globalization or would you like a simple war? most people chose the latter.

Kahanistan is probably one of the most liberal nations on NS, barring MassPwnage and a few others. I'm not too shabby myself.

But on the whole, Tyrandis, you have Kraven, AMF, Doomingsland, Whytica, Comatica, Bretton, Otagia (the PMT one), yourself, etc. Those are just off the top of my head, there's a whole lot more. Not to mention there's hardly any FT democracies, if there indeed are any.

I agree with Gyro, there are about two to three non-democracies to every democracy on NS, it's quite sad. Anyhow, Nova, dictators are always the same thing, there's nothing really special about it.

Hey, I'm a democracy! Sorta... It's still a democracy if only part of the population can vote, correct?

Errr...no...sorry. All your citizens must be able to vote if you want to be considered a true democracies. Just cause some citizens hold shares with PRA doens't make them better than others.

Well, the, arguably, first democracy of the world, Athens, had a system in which a good deal of the 'citizens' couldn't vote [I'm not sure on percentages - but slaves, women and free men not born in Athens could not vote].

But there are plenty of democracies that RP on II - all of the WP, most of the IADF [except a select few], some of the Saharistan War Coalition.

My nation is probably one of the most liberal on NS. It's also pretty secular. It's a democracy, but if you're religious the government might secretly pay one of the "security contractors" to "move you."

Saharistan War Coalition.

We're fairly democratic, just that in some of the nations a few organizations have power over others. The government in McKagan secretly pays Avalt Security Systems (inc) to take out Christian politicians or priests, but it's not like a government thing, openly at least.

I agree with Gyro, there are about two to three non-democracies to every democracy on NS, it's quite sad. Anyhow, Nova, dictators are always the same thing, there's nothing really special about it.

I have a very democratic government, however corporations always want a part of the political game. But we let them as long our people's political interests are in mind

But on the whole, Tyrandis, you have Kraven, AMF, Doomingsland, Whytica, Comatica, Bretton, Otagia (the PMT one), yourself, etc. Those are just off the top of my head, there's a whole lot more. Not to mention there's hardly any FT democracies, if there indeed are any.

Hey, I ain't a totalitarian dictatorship. It's more like corporate democracy, where large conglomerates decide government policy, and stockholders are the only people allowed to vote.

Well, think about it. If you could really control a nation, would it be a democracy? Answer honestly. My nation's a democracy, however.

Hey I resent that, I'm democratic :p We might have had a little..... incident, but in the end democracy won. :cool:

What people don't notice is that Jewittism (the government that I pride myself in always having and trying to spread unsuccessfully) is 100% democratic, but it is far too complicated and such as how some possitions hold near dictative powers over certain fields of the nation, they think its just a Multi-Autocratic Theocracy (because of my Messianic Hebrew majority in government) or something.

:cool: Only the democrats get to wear the shades.

There are indeed a huge amount of dictatorships out there in the NS World. Not only that, but there are an incredible amount of insane dictatorships. Crazed dicatorships are a dime-a-dozen in NS.

Next to them, any democracy is like a breath of fresh air. Xirnium used to be a totalitarian dictatorship but now has become a liberal democracy that, in my opinion, would rival any other in the world.

I offer a pandora's box in terms of politics, it's a fairly unique system, though there is a huge gap between IC knowledge (of which there is basicly little of except for the existence of a Suprainister, Denteth Tolion, a Foreign Minister known as Hugoro Sarestus and a particularly Fiery Ambassador known as Valcus Torrodell) and OOC knowledge of which their is comparativley more information, I may end up revealing more of my governmental structure later on, but for now the enigma and mystery remain.

Well, Beth Gellert is currently split into two parts. The Igovian Soviet Commonwealth is a small communistic alliance in northeastern Europe (Finland including Karelia, the Estonian archipelago, Murmanskaya), and the Kingdom of the Geletians is a parliamentary state on a fictional landmass.

The former, obviously, is far more democratic than most if not all of the so-called democracies mentioned so far in this thread, while the latter is a sham in which a cadre of thieves direct day to day policy and talk about the people's kindly ordaned rights and their freedom to choose whether to buy an SUV or a family saloon.

As it happens, the Kingdom of the Geletians will soon be turning into one of the world's largest democracies, with a popular revolution helped by the Igovians, which will happen some time during Geletia's cynical invasion of mineral-rich Sel Appa.

So, I'm not sure. I suppose that if half the world piles in to prevent the Soviet revolution in Geletia (which will unite it with the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth to create what will by then be a six-billion strong Beth Gellert), then yes, the NS world apparently punishes democracy. If not, then no.

This hasn't helped, has it? Heh. Well, you know, if anyone's interested in the creation of a Soviet-driven democracy of six billion rampaging Celts, ah, watch this space :)

Well, at least my nation's still democratic in htis dictatorship-torn world...

for the moment...

true...maybe I'll start an insurrection thread...

Well,I'm half a democracy.My Senate is elected,but my King is hereditary.I'm the New German Kingdom for a reason.

From what I've seen (I may be totally wrong, but this applied back when I was here before and seems to still), there are a hell of a lot of dictatorships in NS. Anyone who was here back when GDODAD (the good one, not the recreation) existed could tell you that. But there is, and has always been, a sort of cabal of democracies that spend much of their time fighting the dictatorships to try and 'keep democracy alive' or just establish power. Just look at my nation. Everyone can vote, I have possibly too many political and social freedoms, and I spend my time standing up for what's right. My nation opposes genocide, discrimination, slavery, all those things widely regarded as 'bad', and I try and keep it as much to my own political views as possible.

I know there are other nations like me, because there were when I was here before, and many of them are still around. Besides, there seem to be more of them now than there were then. This sort of society of powerful, democratic nations, as far as I can tell, tries to keep the peace in the NS world, and usually fails, because dictatorships are so plentiful.

From what I've seen (I may be totally wrong, but this applied back when I was here before and seems to still), there are a hell of a lot of dictatorships in NS. Anyone who was here back when GDODAD (the good one, not the recreation) existed could tell you that. But there is, and has always been, a sort of cabal of democracies that spend much of their time fighting the dictatorships to try and 'keep democracy alive' or just establish power. Just look at my nation. Everyone can vote, I have possibly too many political and social freedoms, and I spend my time standing up for what's right. My nation opposes genocide, discrimination, slavery, all those things widely regarded as 'bad', and I try and keep it as much to my own political views as possible.

I know there are other nations like me, because there were when I was here before, and many of them are still around. Besides, there seem to be more of them now than there were then. This sort of society of powerful, democratic nations, as far as I can tell, tries to keep the peace in the NS world, and usually fails, because dictatorships are so plentiful.

As far as I know, the Woodstock Pact remains a force to contend with, and that's composed of democratic countries.

Member of the New Alliance Treaty Organization (NATO)

Who all is still in NATO? I was one of the four founding members, and we were all democratic.

Who all is still in NATO? I was one of the four founding members, and we were all democratic.

Meh. NATO's still around, even though we haven't done much recently. I believe AMF, Sigma, and Celack are around, along with the rest of the new roster. Tiburon joined, but left after we fell into our current state of apathy and inactivity.

Hmm. It's a shame it's still around, because I was going to have an RP between me, Tiburon, Celack, maybe Sigma and maybe Nik to try and restart it. So are you guys active at all, or does it only exist in name now?

Hmm. It's a shame it's still around, because I was going to have an RP between me, Tiburon, Celack, maybe Sigma and maybe Nik to try and restart it. So are you guys active at all, or does it only exist in name now?

Not really. We're still bound by a mutual defensive pact though, so if someone attacks a member, the rest of us are obligated to support him.

Heh. I'm probably the most liberal nation on II (arguably)... and I'm allied with a bunch of highly liberal democracies as well, so democracy is in good hands. ;)

Ok, I'm going to be invaded (which reminds me! SU! Get some of your ships up to the north now, TSS fell as a casualty of Real Life!), but I fully intend to survive. ;)

Heh. I'm probably the most liberal nation on II (arguably)... and I'm allied with a bunch of highly liberal democracies as well, so democracy is in good hands. ;)

Ok, I'm going to be invaded (which reminds me! SU! Get some of your ships up to the north now, TSS fell as a casualty of Real Life!), but I fully intend to survive. ;)

OOC: TSS will be back after the weekend. He's having a birthday so he said he would be busy this weekend.

Well you left out the super corporations. Like Me, WTI, Kraven, and a few others. We are nothing. Well I cant say much for Kraven but Me and WTI are nothing more then hge Corporations. We have no homeland. We just have Property.

We're a nation of Nazi Vampires....Not much room for democracy here. Just dinner

And yup; Super-Corps remind me of Shadowrun....Scary things. Worth a nibble

Well... in a place like II where you have a lot of wars, and wars are basically completley tolerated here, its much more efficent to have a dictatorship with a massive personality cult rather than some blathering democracy where everyone disagrees and nothing gets done.

Its really a question of efficency vs. 'civic empowerment' and I always prefer efficency over anything else.

Errr...no...sorry. All your citizens must be able to vote if you want to be considered a true democracies. Just cause some citizens hold shares with PRA doens't make them better than others.
Actually, yes, it usually does. And considering the amount of times PRA stock has split, you'd have to be brain-dead not to own a single share. Those that don't are usually homeless or otherwise poor, and the former usually don't vote anyway even IRL. All the stockholder system means is that some people have more votes than other, effectively purchased by buying government bonds. A simple way of rewarding those who willingly invest more in their country.

Amestria is a Liberal Democracy, although its internal workings are complex and there are some rather undemocratic features... Some have accused Amestria of having an over mighty State and the Military has some influence in policymaking.

Not all dictatorships are evil! Well mine is, but not all of them are.;)

But on the whole, Tyrandis, you have Kraven, AMF, Doomingsland, Whytica, Comatica, Bretton, Otagia (the PMT one), yourself, etc. Those are just off the top of my head, there's a whole lot more. Not to mention there's hardly any FT democracies, if there indeed are any.



OOC: Yeah, but does anyone do it better? ;)

Your average Tocrowkian:

"Democracy? What the flick is that?"

In the International Incidents forums. It will seem like this world has been taken over by blood thirsty dictators, everywhere I look there is an repressive law there, a genocide there and an silencing of democracy somewhere else. With me withdrawing from the Czardas due to my inability to have decent MT to battle the enemy, I can only witness as democracy slowly wither away. Is NS a site where dictators gather?
It's just because people choose to RP as bloody-thirsty dictatorships. It's perfectly easy to RP as a democracy as well, if that is what you want to do. Also, the dictatorships nowadays have become somewhat more sophisticated than the random genocide sprees that they used to be/

Oh yes RC, it's also quite badass as a big shadow, evil, megacorporations run by sadistic and selfish CEOs that care about stuffing their already stuffed pockets with even more dough. True, there are a lot of totalitarian dictatorships in II, but I don't think that NS "punishes" users for rping as democracies (which my nation is one of them BTW, and as a Southeast Asian myself and the RL Southeast Asia is generally anti-globalizationist, it'd be pretty much a rhetorical question why my current government abhors Joint Conglomerates and The Kraven Corporation).

IMO, it's more like the pro-human rights, democratic rp'ers out there punish the players that rp as crackpot totalitarian states. But it doesn't mean my nation abhors dictatorships: my very first ally (Bastion Prime) rps as a benevolent dictatorship with an Imperial Senate to make sure that the Emperor doesn't get absolutely everything he wants, and the Council of Moffs and the Imperial Military Council are pretty much brutally efficient when rooting out corruption.

My nation is one of the truest democracies in existance, founded on the principle of one person, one vote. I am the person, and I have the one vote (to rule them all...:) ). Now that I've blown the dust off that old joke, and choked every sensible person on this thread...

Many of us, my fellow dictators, are endeavoring to create a better world that is free from the chaos of democracy. In many nations where terms are as short as 4 years, a candidate generally spends their first year connecting with the bureacracy, the second cleaning up the half done mess of the previous tenant, then the third actually preparing their own progroms, only to have to halt them in the fourth to concentrate on being re-elected. Chaos.

Now, I will admit that my nation has it's problems, but I have established an advisory council made up of elected representatives, to reintroduce the more positive aspects of democracy. My economy is weak, however, so I imagine I will be returning some more political freedoms in an effort to stimulate some growth.

On a final note, can anyone actually tell me of any TRUE democracies opperating today RL. I only know of Constitutional Monarchies (Monarch-Dictator, a matter of generations), and Republics such as the U.S., both of which are governed by REPRESENTATIVE democracies.

Signed: A loyal subject of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Third, Queen of England, Australia and New Zealand, and beloved monarch/dictator.

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Signed: A loyal subject of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Third, Queen of England, Australia and New Zealand, and beloved monarch/dictator.[/QUOTE]

also Queen of Canada, if i remember rightly. and technicly, as no one else claimes it, could list "empress of india" in her titles.

and i belive she's "Queen Elizabeth the Second" in scotland, because one of englands queen elizabeths wasn't queen of scotland. she's also queen of a few other random places, includeing an island where there is.. well.. i belive she's the queen, and that's all there is. but it's small enough to still pretty well run it's self, most of the time. could be wrong.

hehe "one man, one vote" ... Discworld referance, among other things.

heh. my government is a weird hybrid fudal/representative democracy/monarchy/corperation thing.

the whole system works on a series of councles, and an over all prince.. but everything has checks and balances, and becomeing a member of a councle means being appointed reprisentative of a groupe htat controls 0.5% of the population of the area that councle controls, so long as no more than 49% of that overlaps with the same other group also represented. reps are apointed by whatever means that group uses, which is anything from ellection to assasination, depending on who you're dealing with. the "groups" could be guilds, land owners with sufficiant tennants, city segments, clubs, societys, anything.

there is an overall monarch, and his vote in the national councle counts for about 1/4 of the total votes, except if the issue is his removal, in wich case it counts for 0

that's right, he can be removed by a vote of no confidance. however, unless that happens, and it can't happen for three years after a new prince is appointed, one way or another, he is replaced upon death or retirement by whoever he appoints, or failing that, his closest blood relitive.

what does that make me? *laughs*

some sephrion democorcy whats that?

all praise the empire

im an ft dictatorship

Angermanland: i belive he was actually tlaking about soem sort of future hypothetical Queen Elizabeth.
The current Queen is Elizabeth II in engald and Elizabeth I in scotland (just to annoy the post office).

I'm sure in terms of over all NS there are more democracies but in II it is the dictators and mad corperatiosn who steal the limelight.

Crookfur was always a parilemtary democracy (but with a weird combined monarchy/foreign office and significant upper hosue power being held by the orders Militant (templars, hospitilars)), not that any of you remeber Crookfur...

As for Strathdonia, in AMW it is a fairly standard 2 house commonwaelth democracy although the upper echelons of the military and the upper house do sort of gell together but that has more to do with the Swiss style militia and it is probabaly liekly fairly similar if i ever branch it off into mainstream II.

you know, i have no idea how i missed that number thing? still, appart from taht, my points are valid, no? :)

"Does NS 'punish' users for being Democratic"

No... Just me...

No, NS punishes users far more for being a communist or socialist state, from what I can tell. I'll relate you to the Union Canada dogpile.

OOC: Yeah, but does anyone do it better?

Does that really need to be asked? :D

To be perfectly honest, there are probably the same amount of 'good' players as 'evil' players if you want to factor in any sort of quality. Nearly every single 'evil' character I've seen passing through NS is poorly developed and totally unbelievable. There are a few excellent exceptions to the rule, but not many unfortunately. The reason that democracies aren't so popular is probably because they are simply harder to do -- you need to develop a much more complicated governmental system for them, and you need to have all sorts of processes and checks in place. With a dictatorship, you can just have that one person say 'do it', and it's done. Given how many people are here to wage war and nothing else, the appeal of a dictatorship becomes even more apparent -- you no longer have to consider the human cost! Evil baby-eaters don't give a damn about the lives lost, and nobody's going to vote them out of power for destroying their economy and killing their relatives, so it's ideal!

As for dictatorships being normal in FT, 'Dark Evil Lords' seem to be 'the norm' for sci-fi. I'm not one of them, but then, I gave up RPing in FT a long time ago simply because of how boring and unbelievable it is. Too many penis length competitions, not enough RPing.

No, NS punishes users far more for being a communist or socialist state, from what I can tell. I'll relate you to the Union Canada dogpile.



Yes, what the hell is it, occupy the communist month ?

Yes, what the hell is it, occupy the communist month ?

Seriously. I'm two steps from getting involved in the Kravania affair myself.

Seriously. I'm two steps from getting involved in the Kravania affair myself.


Kravania is in the right mind to do anything, he nuked his own people, for nearly no reason. The real danger right now is the RB fleet and the Parthia.

Anti-communist rhetoric is still around till this day, probably thanks to American propaganda and the fact that NS warfare and politics (ESPECIALLY those that reside in International Incidents) is stuck in a Cold War like state. Velkya, TG....

Hey, I'm a democracy! Sorta... It's still a democracy if only part of the population can vote, correct?

Thats plutocracy.

Nah, that'd be rule by the wealthy. This is rule by the stockholders, many of whom are, in fact, not wealthy. Admittedly, sixty seven percent of the stock is in the hands of the Quetzal family, but they barely ever vote.

On a final note, can anyone actually tell me of any TRUE democracies opperating today RL.
If by "TRUE democracies" you actually mean direct democracies, Switzerland is a good example because of the presence of citizen initiated referenda.

Signed: A loyal subject of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Third, Queen of England, Australia and New Zealand, and beloved monarch/dictator.
The English Queen is not a dictator under any definition of the term, since she has virtually no political power at all (as opposed to total political power, which is what a dictator usually has). The English Queen really only has theoretically strong legal power, but in actuality the Parliament is supreme.

Then again, there's no such person as Queen Elizabeth III in real life, so who am I to say she couldn't be a dictator.

Mine's a Democracy. And look how much trouble it gets into with the Facist nations.

Yes, what the hell is it, occupy the communist month ?
Seriously. I'm two steps from getting involved in the Kravania affair myself.
Kravania is in the right mind to do anything, he nuked his own people, for nearly no reason. The real danger right now is the RB fleet and the Parthia.

Yeah Kravania's a nut, but RB and Parthia will be the death of me. They aren't Democractic governments that's for sure.

what does that make me? *laughs*
A constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy...or was that a rhetorical question?

*blinks* bah, you're right. still, it's an unuseual variant, if i explained it in full detial. and here i thought i was being different *laughs*

then again, given the amount of democracys, communist states, and facist dictatorships, as well as the abundance of theocracys, i suppose i Am a little different.

Not from what I know. My nation is a semi-presidential democracy, but I have fought on the side of some dictatorships, because of my stance against declaring war on a nation because of its government.

It seems about equally split between democratic nations jumping down the throats of dictators whenever they take any action and dictators jumping down the throats of communists when they try to take any action. The only thing that can unite the entire political spectrum is a n00b making their first post.

I'm an extremely liberal democracy (As if you haven't already noticed). And my people actually inform themselves and vote more often then not. But it seems like a lot of the dictatorships aren't there so much because they're easier to play as because they want to get the democracies mad at them ("My nation executes 50,000 communists/PETA/ACLU/gays!").

The Trinity Empire use to be the Religious Commonwealth. A very-conservative democracy, but a real democracy nonetheless. Everyone was allowed to vote, women had rights (excluding abortion), there was enthusanisa bills, and I at one time came just a hair from legalizing civil unions (but that lapse in sanity wore off). The problem was...every other democracy in the NS world that RP at least semi-good was this uber-liberal democracy that either was Staunch Secularist (like McKagen and his 'silencing' Christians) or were Libertarian Police States where religious peoples did have freedom, the player just didn't have a lot of religious people. Which is fine and all, but it pretty much makes being a humble, nice, and fair Religious Democracy VERY boring. You're shunned by dictatorships for being democratic, and your disliked by democracies for being converstive-religious.

So, who do you side with? Well, I wasn't very well going to turn secular-atheist--I don't see very many real religious nations on NS. Save Jenrak who just werid...cannibalism, werid 'Church'. But seriously no Christian nation that is more theocratic than democratic. Espically no Prostestant nations that I can recall. Most Christian nations on NS spend their time is isolated regions no getting involved the morass of I.I. Wars. I wanted to change that and be a true representative of God by roleplaying a nice Christian nation.

Anywho, the dictatorships like Roach-Buster (or until JL went insane and liberal), The Macabees, and others who at least had 'Conservative' ideals, I decided they would probably be more capable of RPing with and forging alliances with than the liberal and libertarian democracies. So I decided to go Religious-Extremeist and thats how I got to be the Trinity Empire.

The above may not be the case at all and I may have made a horrid mistake in judgement, but nontheless its what I precieved.

So, who do you side with? Well, I wasn't very well going to turn secular-atheist--I don't see very many real religious nations on NS. Save Jenrak who just werid...cannibalism, werid 'Church'.

I resent that.

Good theocracies are hard to pull off when it comes to developing good plots and characters.

I never heard anything about Jenrak being a cannibal nation, and Kahanistan and Jenrak briefly crossed swords some time ago.

Being both a socialist and democratic nation, most of my enemies tend to be human rights abusers (e.g. Kraven, Doom, possibly Jagada), allied to one (MassPwnage), or fanatical NatSov Nazis (AMF), and many of them tend to fall into two or three of the above categories simultaneously. And almost all of them tend to have way bigger defense budgets than I do.

Nickmasykstan was once a "democratic socialist" state, like what some describe themselves as. It was a dark time indeed... rampant crime. Corrupt politics. Homelessness. Poverty. And on every street corner, crusty, bearded hippies spouting leftist nonsense on how we need to "go back to nature". We almost slipped into a second Dark Age.

But through the ashes rose a leader. A leader who did more than just pay ideals lip service. A leader who did not meekly ask for change but demanded it at the point of a gun. A leader who was both just and fair, wise and strong, and focused on the task at hand: saving Nickmasykstan.

The leader I speak of, of course, is Nicholas, who would become the first Emperor of what would become the Empire of Nickmasykstan.

It wasn't an easy path. The corrupt inner circle of the 'democracy' fought, and fought hard. Millions died in the civil war to come, and millions more perished afterwards in the famines caused by the Democrat's bombings of the food supplies. Many feared that Nickmasykstan would perish. But not Nicholas.

He had a dream. A dream of a united Nickmasykstan, a Nickmasykstan where citizens could live without fear of poverty or war. A Nickmasykstan that was strong and proud, something to be emulated by neighboring nations.

We have achieved all that and more. Nickmasykstan is the greatest Empire to ever have existed, and her flame will burn eternally. Learn to follow our example. Save yourselves from the evils of Communism and free thinking.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

fanatical NatSov Nazis (AMF)
On the fanatical national sovereigntist part, you are correct Kahanistan. On the Nazi part....you're off by a few million light years. Dreadfire resembles the Vikings and other warrior-like civilizations that stuck by a strong code of honor more than a Nazi.

On the fanatical national sovereigntist part, you are correct Kahanistan. On the Nazi part....you're off by a few million light years. Dreadfire resembles the Vikings and other warrior-like civilizations that stuck by a strong code of honor more than a Nazi.

I agree there, AMF Does come across as Vikings.... with Guns... and tanks...

I resent that.

Hey, we all know about your cannibalistic prietesses. I read about it in the Prince of Blades, when she was talking to that guy. They need human flesh to stay alive. :p

On the fanatical national sovereigntist part, you are correct Kahanistan. On the Nazi part....you're off by a few million light years. Dreadfire resembles the Vikings and other warrior-like civilizations that stuck by a strong code of honor more than a Nazi.

Really? AMF, for me, comes across more as more of a 'Screwyoutocracy'. I mean his razing of anything above a foot in Kahanistan was sheer genious in terms of warfare--but still, its like the old saying "Its all fun and games still AMF turns on you".

Hey, we all know about your cannibalistic prietesses. I read about it in the Prince of Blades, when she was talking to that guy. They need human flesh to stay alive. :p

What's so wrong about that...?

As far as I know, the Woodstock Pact remains a force to contend with, and that's composed of democratic countries.

Bam! There's your answer. The day the WP falls, democracy falls. (I feel proud of being a founding member!)

Bam! There's your answer. The day the WP falls, democracy falls. (I feel proud of being a founding member!)

Excellent, it must commence...

Nothing wrong with it Jenrak, you just don't find that in most Modern Tech nations. I'd expect a religion like that to be forged around a Future Tech nation.

Don't worry, its still good for RPing and stuff.

I could go into a long rant about dictators and democracies on NS, but I think it's because people just want to do something different from what they're used to, in a nutshell. I'm a democracy in MT, but in FT I'm a dictatorship.

Animarnia is a democracy :) we're very libral in our policys...well saying that we have elections coming up when I finish fleshing out the candidates profiles, heck in my nation voteing is compulsary.

Nothing wrong with it Jenrak, you just don't find that in most Modern Tech nations. I'd expect a religion like that to be forged around a Future Tech nation.

Don't worry, its still good for RPing and stuff.

It keeps my nation interesting - instead of RPing as a faceless, emotionless, psychotic nation killing it's people (which every other dictator seems to lean towards), I always try to keep a fact that perhaps my characters are puppets of a more interesting divine power, or that their means and their methods interesting in a way.

To clear it up, I'm trying not to kill for killing's sake, which is what most do - I'm doing it to show a very (warped) unique stance on life.

I don't RP all that much anymore, but the Halladi Workers Republic is a democracy.

Im a Liberal Democratic Republic. My people can actually walk into the President's office and talk to him. Im also old, im been democratic since 1957 BC.

Assassination attempts anyone?

Assassination attempts anyone?

Pft. Too much effort.

This brand-new nation of Maeri is a democracy.
My other nations are:
Shalaam - an FT democracy influenced by Judaism and Islam - for example, adultery (not pre-marital sex, just cheating on your spouse) gets jail time.
Mirkana - a PMT dictatorship that claims that democracy is inefficient, and therefore inferior. Not the most articulate, but their army is killer.
The Far Realms - a land of insanity and evil cults to Great Cthulhu.

Pft. Too much effort.
Actually, you're right. *slaps own face*

From what I've seen the dictatorships rarely face the consequences for policies that limit the flow of information. Although they limit the individual citizens' abilities to access certain information (I assume) they still have uber-high tech military. Take a look at the world today and tell me who has the most high-tech military; those in free-market economies or totalitarian regimes? I'm equating a free-market economy with democracy, I suppose their could be a free-market economy in non-democratic society (corporate republic) but people aren't willing to face the consequences of this either. If a handful of corporations independent of the central government was entirelly responsible for the creation of the 'national' military wouldn't the CEOs of those corporations get some 'ideas?' Wouldn't their competitive nature lead them to destroy their comptetion in far more efficient ways? Wouldn't this then lead to not a corporate-republic but a nation-wide monoply with an efficiency no better than a governmentally run economy?

Anyway, dictatorships often fail to analyze or overestimate the efficiency of their governments, especially in relation to the private industries of their nations.

Well said Bjornoya.

Thats one reason why we have Nation-States. Look at this for example, World War Two Japan, and Germany, both dictatorships. Both had booming economies, to the best of my knowledge, both were doing very well. Germany was, for a good part of World War Two, far more technically advanced than most of the Allies.

There are dictatorships in NS such as Roach-Busters, or AMF, for example who have capitalism. Then you have The Macabees and their Absolute Capitalism. In reality all it depends on is the society of that said nation. If the people want to be ruled by a dictatorship, if they want to trade freedom for peace and security--then they would work just as well and be just as content in an dictatorship as they would a democracy.

The fun thing with NS is you can be whatever you want and it can be 'realistic' to some extent. Its one reason why we have nations like Kahanistan who are Communist, but have very good economies.

But just my two cents, you do have a point though. Then again, have you ever noticed how very few nations, myself included, rarely ever RP their populations unwillingness to go to war? I mean sure they may make a footnote about war weariness if they begin to loose the RP, but ever seen a nation NOT go to war because outside the Presidents Office there are 1 million protests telling him not to--or dictator for that matter.

Then again, a lot may do that and I just don't see it.

Actually Jagada, Kahanistan is more of a socialist nation, a la today's People Republic of China.

But just my two cents, you do have a point though. Then again, have you ever noticed how very few nations, myself included, rarely ever RP their populations unwillingness to go to war? I mean sure they may make a footnote about war weariness if they begin to loose the RP, but ever seen a nation NOT go to war because outside the Presidents Office there are 1 million protests telling him not to--or dictator for that matter.
I can see your point to an extent, but I RP'd my country's population being against the war when my boys were fighting in Inkana, complete with anti-war protests and a Parliament that was loath to allocate funds to the war effort.

Of course, I was also RPing my army being complete dumbarses so the parallels to Vietnam ended there. But such a thing can be a great angle to RP and it set the stage for other RPs I've done since then.

Actually Jagada, Kahanistan is more of a socialist nation, a la today's People Republic of China.

Authoritarian, you mean.

I can see your point to an extent, but I RP'd my country's population being against the war when my boys were fighting in Inkana, complete with anti-war protests and a Parliament that was loath to allocate funds to the war effort.

Of course, I was also RPing my army being complete dumbarses so the parallels to Vietnam ended there. But such a thing can be a great angle to RP and it set the stage for other RPs I've done since then.


the question of the parralals ending there depends entirely on who's army you're compairing yourself to. some of them.. that's true to form.

Actually Jagada, Kahanistan is more of a socialist nation, a la today's People Republic of China.

No, Kahanistan's closer to a western democracy, seeing as it has extensive civil rights and elects a legislative and excutive body freely and openly. In addition, it has a slightly limited free market.

I was refering to it's economic policy, not it's political freedoms and civil rights records Velkya.