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I have been getting PM's, IM's, and Telegrams from a few close associates telling me about complaints some FT nations have approached them with about my RP'ing. If you have something to say, say it to me and don't go this cowardly round-about method. I don't have problems with the complaints. What I have the problem with is the way you guys are going about handling them. Not only is it rude and inconsiderate, it also doesn't allow me to enhance my RP skills. Without feed-back, how is anyone going to improve? So, please, if you have a complaint about me, take it up with me and not someone else. Am I understood?

OOC: You smell funky and your mother dresses you funny. >_> *blink, scratches tail*

I have been getting PM's, IM's, and Telegrams from a few close associates telling me about complaints some FT nations have approached them with about my RP'ing. If you have something to say, say it to me and don't go this cowardly round-about method. I don't have problems with the complaints. What I have the problem with is the way you guys are going about handling them. Not only is it rude and inconsiderate, it also doesn't allow me to enhance my RP skills. Without feed-back, how is anyone going to improve? So, please, if you have a complaint about me, take it up with me and not someone else. Am I understood?

OOC: The best thing to do is ignore it all. It's just sabre-rattling. If that's the way they're going to handle things, you're much better than them.

OOC: You smell funky and your mother dresses you funny. >_> *blink, scratches tail*

Thanks for trying to chear me up, dude.

OOC: The best thing to do is ignore it all. It's just sabre-rattling. If that's the way they're going to handle things, you're much better than them.

No need to label things OOC, this is a 100% OOC thread.

As for what it is mainly about, its something about ship numbers and population size. I am not used to RP'ing with NS type restrictions. Everything I do is to make each RP I am in a good read.

And the problem is, I don't know what the complaints are as nobody has come to me about them.

No need to label things OOC, this is a 100% OOC thread.

As for what it is mainly about, its something about ship numbers and population size. I am not used to RP'ing with NS type restrictions. Everything I do is to make each RP I am in a good read.

OOC: I haven't really seen any of your numbers. I -have- seen some rediculously strange things though. People sailing around with fleets of 50+ MT warships (For example: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10202932#post10202932 In this thread, people are sending huge amounts of warships to lay claim to a relatively small piece of land.)

The one that takes the cake in that thread is the guy who sent an aircraft carrier that has over 550 jets onboard.. :headbang:

But there's plenty of other stupid stuff going on. One guy sent 48 destroyers, 23 aircraft carriers and something around 45 nuclear submarines..

No need to label things OOC, this is a 100% OOC thread.

As for what it is mainly about, its something about ship numbers and population size. I am not used to RP'ing with NS type restrictions. Everything I do is to make each RP I am in a good read.

And the problem is, I don't know what the complaints are as nobody has come to me about them.


Well, I haven't said anything, but to me, you always seemed a little arrogant, without having proven yourself well enough to BE arrogant. I may seem a little arrogant, but I've been in enough fights, and won them, to pull it off with a minimum of fuss.

Seaquest… I’m going to tell you flat out half of NS wants to kill you now. I know its not my place to tell you what tech to use or any thing but your ripping off every sci-fi genre out there and its associated fanboy stuff , that really annoys people and then going around posting post after post of copy paste stuff from web sights associated with the tech annoys a lot of people to. Mean while if you build baylon 5 your going to get some more annoyed people all I’m saying is please take this in to consideration and stick with one tech ok ? I mean you may not have time to make custom technology but try not to make your self ub3r buy using all genres.

Another tip try not to be so ooc arrogant on the forums saying the GFFA will do this or that, that really annoyed me, and annoys others to try not to hide behind an alliance so much it will make you look weak (not that I’m saying you are).

The only problem I have is that you seem to copy and paste everything and then post it. That is not good writing, hell it isn't even writing at all, just like on the daftroom boards you are able to amass a large amount of posts, with loads of content which is misleading, because near none of it is yours. I am not being snide or 'mean' but being blunt, and to keep the thread from derailing I will just make that clear.

I'm definitely agreeing with Fedral Union here. With the Draftroom forum, its obvious your nation doesn't have a theme.

For example, you posted ships from Star Wars, several different races from B5, a mecha, and some ships from sources I don't recognize.

You don't have a theme. That's one of your main problems, you look like someone who simply cobbles stuff together from a myriad of sources because that's exactly what you're doing.

Find something you like and stick with it. For example, making all your warships look Earth Alliance, not a mixture of EA/Mon Cal/Centauri/whatever.

I will attest to the effectiveness of Mongrel, or as I refer to mine, Bastard Tech. I have only lost one fight in my entire time on NS, and I won it all using modified and melded StarCraft Terrans and Protoss.

I will attest to the effectiveness of Mongrel, or as I refer to mine, Bastard Tech. I have only lost one fight in my entire time on NS, and I won it all using modified and melded StarCraft Terrans and Protoss.
Yes, but that either proves your opponents incompetence, or your total lack of respect for SC technology. Canonly speaking, the Terran and Protoss would never fuse their respective technologies together; it just does not fit with the story.

Now as far as your mongrel tech goes, this thread isn't the place to discuss it, so I suggest that from this point on we continue this in #NS on Espernet, or via TG. (This is not me trying to be an ass, or me trying to evade an argument, only me acknowledging that this is SQ's thread and that it is to address the issues people have with him... If this discussion fits in here, then I am all for it.)

It didn't stop at Terran and Protoss; he stuck 40k Necron and Dark Eldar weapons onto Zerg and covered them in Hull-plating....Ignoring the obvious issues of how they would fire the weapons, and how the Zerg would move with hull plating grafted to them....Silly boy...

I have been getting PM's, IM's, and Telegrams from a few close associates telling me about complaints some FT nations have approached them with about my RP'ing. If you have something to say, say it to me and don't go this cowardly round-about method. I don't have problems with the complaints. What I have the problem with is the way you guys are going about handling them. Not only is it rude and inconsiderate, it also doesn't allow me to enhance my RP skills. Without feed-back, how is anyone going to improve? So, please, if you have a complaint about me, take it up with me and not someone else. Am I understood?
I haven't RP'd with you much...but with what I HAVE seen out of you, it's going to be hard for your nation to stay in character. There are just too many variables.

That...and too many different techs just wouldn't work. Each one has its own logic, but some logic in some disciplines wouldn't fit with the logic of others, thus making your entire fleet or whatever spontaneously combust. Or worse.

Is this too much a radical concept for you snobby nosed bourgeosie FTers? The Proletarian demands different techs, and they will get it!

Yes, but that either proves your opponents incompetence, or your total lack of respect for SC technology. Canonly speaking, the Terran and Protoss would never fuse their respective technologies together; it just does not fit with the story.

Now as far as your mongrel tech goes, this thread isn't the place to discuss it, so I suggest that from this point on we continue this in #NS on Espernet, or via TG. (This is not me trying to be an ass, or me trying to evade an argument, only me acknowledging that this is SQ's thread and that it is to address the issues people have with him... If this discussion fits in here, then I am all for it.)

No. It shows that my foes, who are VERY competent, and generally big name players, underestimated the power of the Yamato Cannon, and the might of mix and match deadliness.

And, they just might. Tassadar, Fenix, and Raynor all joined forces, this is simply an expansion on that.

I'll only say that your mass numbers of development threads became a little annoying when they started showing up all over the front page every single day, most of the time with only a simple "20%, this tech can now do blank." thing. If there's anything that you may have done to annoy me, it's definitely that. Other than that...I'm ok with what you're doing. I won't say I like it, but... you know.

Is this too much a radical concept for you snobby nosed bourgeosie FTers? The Proletarian demands different techs, and they will get it!

That's what I'm for. Effectively integrating random tech bases since April '05.

Is this too much a radical concept for you snobby nosed bourgeosie FTers? The Proletarian demands different techs, and they will get it!

Maybe if he merged them a little more fluidly. A lot of what he has looks too much like a big mash of stuff. For example, after looking through his ships thread, I could just see this blob of ships coming to fight. Nothing that even looked threatening... >_<

I have been getting PM's, IM's, and Telegrams from a few close associates telling me about complaints some FT nations have approached them with about my RP'ing. If you have something to say, say it to me and don't go this cowardly round-about method. I don't have problems with the complaints. What I have the problem with is the way you guys are going about handling them. Not only is it rude and inconsiderate, it also doesn't allow me to enhance my RP skills. Without feed-back, how is anyone going to improve? So, please, if you have a complaint about me, take it up with me and not someone else. Am I understood?

Well, here's my 100% honest summary.

Your technology is completly inane. All of the stuff you have on your ships is treknobabble. Your crew levels are too low. You combine too many races and techs into ships. You have too much of a variety of weapons on your ships.

Your RP skills are aight, but you seem not to take sufficient losses.

No need to label things OOC, this is a 100% OOC thread.

As for what it is mainly about, its something about ship numbers and population size. I am not used to RP'ing with NS type restrictions. Everything I do is to make each RP I am in a good read.

And the problem is, I don't know what the complaints are as nobody has come to me about them
That is a slightly arrogant statement. We all strive to make our threads better reads. However, I for one know my RP skill is not very good, and if you bludgeon some of my allies, they'll eventually admit I'm not that good too. Just because we try does not mean we succeed.

Another tip try not to be so ooc arrogant on the forums saying the GFFA will do this or that, that really annoyed me, and annoys others to try not to hide behind an alliance so much it will make you look weak (not that I’m saying you are).
TFU, would you please expand on this? The GFFA is a democracy, everyone in it controls it. I for one do not want any members to sling its name around like it is a nerf gun.


EDIT:Is this too much a radical concept for you snobby nosed bourgeosie FTers? The Proletarian demands different techs, and they will get it!
So you would try to combine a B52, an An9, and a B2? Or how about a Challenger II, T34, and M1? That's what it's like when you combine completly different tech levels, and why you should make CUSTOM when possible.

Don't get me wrong, you can do the weapons mix-and-match. But do not expect the parts for a Leopard II to work in an Arleigh Burke destroyer or a Huey helicopter. Along those lines, don't expect to be able to combine Star Wars and Star Trek electronics. (Plasma tubes+electric panels=bad bad bad)

Maybe if he merged them a little more fluidly. A lot of what he has looks too much like a big mash of stuff. For example, after looking through his ships thread, I could just see this blob of ships coming to fight. Nothing that even looked threatening... >_<

So if he got different technologies and made 'em work, would that be all right?

Your technology is completly inane. All of the stuff you have on your ships is treknobabble.

Who cares? If that's what he wants he can have it. The point of RPing is to have fun.

Your crew levels are too low.

And FT ships don't need to have the same crew density as a Nimitz-class CVN.

You combine too many races and techs into ships. You have too much of a variety of weapons on your ships.

Again, so what? If that's what he wants let him do it.

Who cares? If that's what he wants he can have it. The point of RPing is to have fun.

And FT ships don't need to have the same crew density as a Nimitz-class CVN.

Again, so what? If that's what he wants let him do it.

You realize he wants to know what the criticism of him is? Just saying "so what" to everyone's criticism is not going to help.

I'd hate to ask what people think of me. >_> *nibbles tail*

"He's a weird little furry! RAR! GETTEM!"

Who cares? If that's what he wants he can have it. The point of RPing is to have fun.

And FT ships don't need to have the same crew density as a Nimitz-class CVN.

Again, so what? If that's what he wants let him do it.

He can have it if he wants. However, if I was in a competetive RP with him, I would have serious doubts about the combat abilities of such ships. Logistics is amazingly complex on vessels like that. FT ships might not have the same crew density, but for a ship 2km long and 1 km wide, I expect to see a little more than 250 people onboard.

Shift this to MT. Rose, you're MT. Would you have a *large* land assault vehicle with two 5.52 guns, a 7.62 ball in the front, a 50cal coax, two different sized grenade launchers turret mounted externally, and a 120mm main gun? Of course not! Imagine the logistics train needed for that thing!

So if he got different technologies and made 'em work, would that be all right?

Yes, I just feel it would be easier for him if anything. As Xess says above, he can do what he wants. But if those RPing with him have a hard time making effective responses to his posts because of his lack of uniformity or whatever reason, then he's just making things harder on himself than they need to be. And judging from the posts so far, it seems to be leaning that way.

@Seaquest: Please note that these are just my opinions, and your massed development threads are my only issue.

EDIT: Though recently, you've been pretty easy going with them, so it's not as much of an issue as before.

He can have it if he wants. However, if I was in a competetive RP with him, I would have serious doubts about the combat abilities of such ships. Logistics is amazingly complex on vessels like that. FT ships might not have the same crew density, but for a ship 2km long and 1 km wide, I expect to see a little more than 250 people onboard.

Shift this to MT. Rose, you're MT. Would you have a *large* land assault vehicle with two 5.52 guns, a 7.62 ball in the front, a 50cal coax, two different sized grenade launchers turret mounted externally, and a 120mm main gun? Of course not! Imagine the logistics train needed for that thing!

Thank you for justifying why my FT Xenos use standardized equipment. The "one size kicks all ass" approach, if you will.

Thank you for justifying why my FT Xenos use standardized equipment. The "one size kicks all ass" approach, if you will.

Heh. I use beam-tubes and standard torp tubes. Kyanges uses Rep-Tubes, by far one of the coolest ideas ever at eliminating logistics.

That's the catcher. Make it great in as many places as possible without overdoing it and screwing logistics.

...your ripping off every sci-fi genre out there and its associated fanboy stuff , that really annoys people and then going around posting post after post of copy paste stuff from web sights associated with the tech annoys a lot of people to. Mean while if you build baylon 5 your going to get some more annoyed people all I’m saying is please take this in to consideration and stick with one tech ok ? I mean you may not have time to make custom technology but try not to make your self ub3r buy using all genres.Just a note that I've gotten word of people in the NS Draftroom making the same complaints about you "tech spamming" by posting copies and pastes of tech.

Yes, the Draftroom is intended for the posting of technology, but it was intended to be a forum for players to post original custom technology to get feedback from other players on ways to improve it for roleplay. It's not intended for someone to post C&Ps of stuff from say Babylon 5 or Star Trek. And it's definitely not a place where ripoffs of technology used by other players are welcome. The former gets you dirty looks; the latter would get you banned from the Draftroom.

I can't speak to the whole arrogance issue because I don't do FT roleplay and haven't done it regularly since about 1995. However, no matter how long you've been roleplaying or how good you are, you can always improve. Hell, I still have a lot I can learn about playing this game and I've been at it since March of '04.

what i mean is hes posted one time in the CG thread that the GFFA will kick my ass, if i fire the first shot now thats a bit arrogant.

Shift this to MT. Rose, you're MT. Would you have a *large* land assault vehicle with two 5.52 guns, a 7.62 ball in the front, a 50cal coax, two different sized grenade launchers turret mounted externally, and a 120mm main gun? Of course not! Imagine the logistics train needed for that thing!

If it's rhetorical, don't ask me! :p

But seriously, that's friggen expensive, and large. And something that as soon as you'd turn on would break. But it's in my opinion that you can use what the FUNK you want, it just has to make sense. In FT terms. Where it's science fiction. That means it's REAL. Sarcasm!

Heh. I use beam-tubes and standard torp tubes. Kyanges uses Rep-Tubes, by far one of the coolest ideas ever at eliminating logistics.

That's the catcher. Make it great in as many places as possible without overdoing it and screwing logistics.

I'm doing the same thing with my MT nation now. I'm basicly using custom, standardized equipment and ammunition, which I can easily keep track of. Instead of having 30 different types anti-ship missiles, it's just 1. Well, 2. There's a land based version and an air based version of the same missile. ^.^

This seems a little trivial to warrent a thread Seaquest. Perhaps you should TM these people in question.

Sarzonia, how would I join the Draftroom. It sounds intriguing.

Sarzonia, how would I join the Draftroom. It sounds intriguing.Register here (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom) with your NS name (Xessmithia). Since I'm the administrator, I'll verify your account and you can check it out.

No. It shows that my foes, who are VERY competent, and generally big name players, underestimated the power of the Yamato Cannon, and the might of mix and match deadliness.

This is not the place for a discussion of the effectiveness (or lacktherof) of the Yamato Cannon or any other tech you may be using. As I said, that is something for a TG or another thread.

And, they just might. Tassadar, Fenix, and Raynor all joined forces, this is simply an expansion on that.


It is not a simple expansion, it is a far stretch of logic concerning starcraft canon. The protoss may allow the Terrans to fight by their side, but giving them technology, or accepting technology from the Terrans (General technology) is a dubious situation at best.

This is not the place for a discussion of the effectiveness (or lacktherof) of the Yamato Cannon or any other tech you may be using. As I said, that is something for a TG or another thread.




It is not a simple expansion, it is a far stretch of logic concerning starcraft canon. The protoss may allow the Terrans to fight by their side, but giving them technology, or accepting technology from the Terrans (General technology) is a dubious situation at best.

Sure it is, I only actually mixed their tech on 2 ships, and one of those won't be finished for several weeks... Other thanb that the Terran Dominion and the Conclave just fight together with brutal efficiency against the forces of Chaos, TheSith, and various other not pleasant people, though that's changing soon...

That's why I did my own technology. >_>

And why I stick to one core technology...I wuv my Chaos....

Chaos.. pfft, says I.

And why I stick to one core technology...I wuv my Chaos....

Keep your bizarre fetishes out of this man...:p

Of course, I doubt many MT nations will want to interact with mine. Since it's a nation of furrys, pretty much. >_<

Chaos, yay says I! You better not bastardise 40k! If I find out you're wearing a Bronzie without having served...I'll come after you.

(Name that reference!)

MT Chronosia'd interact with you; they have WoD Vampires and Werewolves :)

WoD .. >_> *cry* Played that for a loooong time.

I'll stick to my furrys. What I need to find is a very open-minded female RPer on this board who has IRC and RPing experience and doesn't mind bukka-.. nevermind. *nibbles tail innocently*

Of course, I doubt many MT nations will want to interact with mine. Since it's a nation of furrys, pretty much. >_<

If I'm not lazy, the RP is good, and the technology isn't insane, I'll interact with you.

Our RP is powered by anti-matter; harvested from the minds of terrible RPers! Does that qualify?

WoD .. >_> *cry* Played that for a loooong time.

I'll stick to my furrys. What I need to find is a very open-minded female RPer on this board who has IRC and RPing experience and doesn't mind bukka-.. nevermind. *nibbles tail innocently*

Same as I told Chron goes for you...

!@&^$%& Furry's...

all discussions about tech and crap in a thread will lead to flamefests in the first degree, i mean try to work the thread out before hand ya know that way you will minimize the bitch fest


(on and other note hey The Xeno, your a fur wow! i never knew furs were on ns that’s good to know i love furries! Heh I’m one my self oocly )

Of course, I doubt many MT nations will want to interact with mine. Since it's a nation of furrys, pretty much. >_<
I'd be glad to interact with you, unfortunately you're too democratic for any of the rps to go well for you. Now if you were imperialistic furries...

I'd be glad to interact with you, unfortunately you're too democratic for any of the rps to go well for you. Now if you were imperialistic furries...

Err.. well, they did suddenly rise against the humans who had enslaved them, and had every last human shipped out of the country. >_>

Of course, I doubt many MT nations will want to interact with mine. Since it's a nation of furrys, pretty much. >_<

Furrys are awesome... I would RP with ya (though I am not a female RPer who doesn't mind bukka- :p )

Meh. I'd be happy with someone showing interest in my storefront. >_>

While I am no mod, nor the OP, I hereby request all talk about tech/furriness, unless directed at SeaQuest, be terminated. Take it to TG or make a new thread before this one is derailed any further.

I tried making my own tech using random images and such when it came to my fleet. Though I'll probably change some things around in awhile. My factbook is currently a mess and I can't design things on MS paint. I'll probably need to get a sketchpad thing.

Seaquest, you should just stick with a theme, or at least a small group of themes which would easily go together. Though if you don't want to thats pretty alright as long as you don't wank with numbers and random technology on a constant basis.

@TFU: Understood. I have said it multiple times. My fleet is in flux while I get my stuff worked out. I'm sure it took you some time to work out the exact ships you wanted when you first started RP'ing. My smaller fleet database thread is what I am going to be using (with maybe a few NPCs of the longer one). As for the arrogance, I'll try better, but everyone has bad days

@Mini Miehm: I have had tons of non-NS RP experience. I first started RPG'ing on the first AFC RPG, and I was on the Council that was in charge of the second.

@ElectronX: How many times do I have to say it: My modeling skills suck. My friends that can model usually are already commited to projects and don't have time to help me with models.

@Vernii: I am. The Operation Phoenix ships were something I drew on originally during the Shadow War (an RP by Abh) when I was getting my new-to-NS rear end handed to me on a silver platter by an NPC group.

@All: Thanks for all the in-put, everyone. All the constructive criticisim will not only help me become a better RP'er, but it will also allow me to perfect my fleets.

I'll only say that your mass numbers of development threads became a little annoying when they started showing up all over the front page every single day, most of the time with only a simple "20%, this tech can now do blank." thing. If there's anything that you may have done to annoy me, it's definitely that. Other than that...I'm ok with what you're doing. I won't say I like it, but... you know.

Understood. Consider it finished. I never liked that way of doing things anyway. I'm going to remove some RP's while I phase out my old ships and phase in my smaller, leaner ships. I can provide the link to the thread where I have all the ships I have planned to use listed, except for my command level ship (I'm still working on the stats).

He can have it if he wants. However, if I was in a competetive RP with him, I would have serious doubts about the combat abilities of such ships. Logistics is amazingly complex on vessels like that. FT ships might not have the same crew density, but for a ship 2km long and 1 km wide, I expect to see a little more than 250 people onboard.

Shift this to MT. Rose, you're MT. Would you have a *large* land assault vehicle with two 5.52 guns, a 7.62 ball in the front, a 50cal coax, two different sized grenade launchers turret mounted externally, and a 120mm main gun? Of course not! Imagine the logistics train needed for that thing!

Like I said in a previous post. That was when I was operating under Babylon 5 themed Earth Alliance style crew levels. If you check my current Imperial Grand Navy fleet database thread, you will see I am no longer operationg under that way.

As for the weapons on the ships I design, I always am open to suggestions. Before I started my nation, I only designed ships for fun, so please excuse me if I am a little new at doing it for RP's.

what i mean is hes posted one time in the CG thread that the GFFA will kick my ass, if i fire the first shot now thats a bit arrogant.

You misunderstood my post. I said that SeaQuest, MY nation, would aid the GFFA member nation involed (Godular, I think). The only thing I said about the GFFA was that if Godular asked for aid on the GFFA forums, that it would be considered. It was NZ who said that Godular is the GFFA military head and could bring the might of the GFFA to bear.

Just a note that I've gotten word of people in the NS Draftroom making the same complaints about you "tech spamming" by posting copies and pastes of tech.

Yes, the Draftroom is intended for the posting of technology, but it was intended to be a forum for players to post original custom technology to get feedback from other players on ways to improve it for roleplay. It's not intended for someone to post C&Ps of stuff from say Babylon 5 or Star Trek. And it's definitely not a place where ripoffs of technology used by other players are welcome. The former gets you dirty looks; the latter would get you banned from the Draftroom.

I can't speak to the whole arrogance issue because I don't do FT roleplay and haven't done it regularly since about 1995. However, no matter how long you've been roleplaying or how good you are, you can always improve. Hell, I still have a lot I can learn about playing this game and I've been at it since March of '04.

Once again, they don't come to ME with any complaints. That is what they should do instead of going behind my back like that. Now, I don't mind complaints, they allow me to grow as a RP'er and as a person, but I don't like when they go around me and don't give it to me straight.

I dont see any thing wrong with how your rp. You may use more tech and races then others may like but hell its rping. Maybe have one development and research thread not sure i thought you had a bunch on I.I the way you do it on the G.F.F.A fourm is fine but here maybe one or two R&D threads just so its easier for people like me who get on at spuradic hours when not in a major rp to find. But thats just nit picking.

To sum it up your rping is very good and you post alot which is good. You will get better as you go along too. When i stared i claimed to have 5,000 ships and half were 150 km long. I have come along way since then lol.

This seems a little trivial to warrent a thread Seaquest. Perhaps you should TM these people in question.

That's the problem, I don't know who has the complaints or what the exact complaints are. I only know that they exist.

You misunderstood my post. I said that SeaQuest, MY nation, would aid the GFFA member nation involed (Godular, I think). The only thing I said about the GFFA was that if Godular asked for aid on the GFFA forums, that it would be considered. It was NZ who said that Godular is the GFFA military head and could bring the might of the GFFA to bear. Which i must say agian is true. There are a few things that will get the G.F.F.A to attack. And shooting on the head of the G.F.F.A military is a damn good way to doo it:D

Even the members who want to avoid war would call for it if he was attacked for just putting post up to moniter any attempt at trying to start a war.

I tried making my own tech using random images and such when it came to my fleet. Though I'll probably change some things around in awhile. My factbook is currently a mess and I can't design things on MS paint. I'll probably need to get a sketchpad thing.

Seaquest, you should just stick with a theme, or at least a small group of themes which would easily go together. Though if you don't want to thats pretty alright as long as you don't wank with numbers and random technology on a constant basis.

My 'theme', as you put it, was in flux while I settled into the NS world. Its settling down now.

@NZ: Thanks for the support man. Its much appreciated.

@Everyone Else: This thread has gone off-topic. Please, no more discussion about Yamato Cannons, Furries, WH40k, or anything but the central issue, which is now pretty much resolved.

The only thing left is to figure out why none of the people with complaints have come straight to me with them but gone to someone else.

Once again, they don't come to ME with any complaints. That is what they should do instead of going behind my back like that. Now, I don't mind complaints, they allow me to grow as a RP'er and as a person, but I don't like when they go around me and don't give it to me straight.Look at the complaints I've distilled from what I've heard third hand. If you'd like, I will voice them myself. I think you've gone overboard with the new threads on the Draftroom.

If you develop technology and you're seeking feedback, feel free to post, but if you're doing copies and pastes you're getting from sources that aren't your own work, please don't.

@All: These are the ships I will be using. After I make this post, I will go threw and add how much each one costs me per unit. Also, when I am finished with my dreadnaught, I will post it, and I will have no future units planned.

Here is the link: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461545

If you want help getting renders of ships, you can create them with DOGA L3.

http://www.doga.co.jp/english/

That is the link to the english web site. It is one of the most commonly used programs in FT for ship renders. Be careful though, you will become a Dogs Addict and spend lots of time on it creating things.

As far as the way you run your tech, remember the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none". Find something and stick to it. If you have to, stick to it and become the best in the field. That is what I did with Dimensional Technology.

If you want help getting renders of ships, you can create them with DOGA L3.

http://www.doga.co.jp/english/

That is the link to the english web site. It is one of the most commonly used programs in FT for ship renders. Be careful though, you will become a Dogs Addict and spend lots of time on it creating things.

As far as the way you run your tech, remember the old saying "Jack of all trades, master of none". Find something and stick to it. If you have to, stick to it and become the best in the field. That is what I did with Dimensional Technology.

When I tried modeling before, it was with MS3D. Thanks for the link. Who knows, maybe I'll be better with DOGA.

No being good at modeling is no real excuse SQ. You either keep working till your skills improve, or you fuck it all and use pictures found on the internet using as much originality in the description as possible. Both work wonderfully well, and are much more prefered than copying and pasting 213141234234234 lines of text in a thread.

No being good at modeling is no real excuse SQ. You either keep working till yoru skills improve, or you fuck it all and use pictures found on the internet using as much originality in the description as possible. Both work wonderfully well, and are much more prefered than copying and pasting 213141234234234 lines of text in a thread.

I've been working at model making since I started playing Armada I & II. I lost count of the exact number of years. I even was once trying to make a mod of my own for those games, but was only able to get one poly intensive model that looked anywhere near good (though I did get one that looked like Dr. Evil's rocket from the Austin Power's second movie).

I've been working at model making since I started playing Armada I & II. I lost count of the exact number of years. I even was once trying to make a mod of my own for those games, but was only able to get one poly intensive model that looked anywhere near good (though I did get one that looked like Dr. Evil's rocket from the Austin Power's second movie).

Armada? As in Star Trek: Armada?

Armada? As in Star Trek: Armada?

That is correct. I am great at playing it, but horrible at making models for it (at least I was using MS3D).

That is correct. I am great at playing it, but horrible at making models for it (at least I was using MS3D).

I've only played ST: Armada II... I beat the thing pretty quickly, and it was my favorite computer game before I found the Command and Conquer series... But I digress.

On the subject of those countless development thread hoards, and your planned course of action: Thank you.

Good luck with your modeling attempts, and good job with your "theme" work so far.

Note, I have gone through and edited the stats of the ships in my Imperial Grand Navy Fleet Database thread to include how much it costs me to build a unit of each class. All that is left is to add my dreadnaught class to the list, and then my fleet will be complete.

I've only played ST: Armada II... I beat the thing pretty quickly, and it was my favorite computer game before I found the Command and Conquer series... But I digress.

On the subject of those countless development thread hoards, and your planned course of action: Thank you.

Good luck with your modeling attempts, and good job with your "theme" work so far.

Thanks for the support.

As for my fleet, I'm thinking about starting fresh using my smaller, slimmer, sleaker fleet. What do you guys think of that?

AS LONG AS YOU KEEP IT DOWN TO ONE BLOODY THREAD!

I told you to keep it down, so don't say I sat in the back and grumbled about it. There's too many threads. WAY too many threads. For the love of god and all that is holy and whatever the heck else people say when they need to invoke a higher level deity, WAAAAAY too many threads.

I am trying to help you out. I am trying to give you pointers. I told you that if you weren't sure of a theme just pick and stick, and change little by little until you come down to something you actually like. Take the whole thing slow and there won't be an issue. You keep trying to bring in new stuff at least once a day, and you keep these threads up too. All of these threads would well and truly constitute spamming, and that's a legitimate cause for moderator action. I told you this.

You said you heard, you said you understood, yet you kept doing it.

I know you're eager to learn and improve your RPing skills. That much is plainly obvious. But you need to remember that listening, truly paying attention, is the key to doing so.

I really must apologize if I'm sounding too harsh here, I do not mean to, I just can't think of another way to phrase it.

If I haven't ruffled too many feathers, I would like to suggest three things:

1 ) Pick a theme... REALLY... PICK A THEME. Star Trek, Star Wars, WH40k Necrons, WH40k T'au (Truth be told I'd think the T'au would be a very good fit for you if you're willing to do the research), or something. Just pick it, and stick with it. The sooner you settle on ONE theme, the sooner you can get into the spirit of actually RPing.

2 ) When responding to others, do not make a separate post with respect to each person you wish to respond to. You can see previous posts on the post reply page, so there shouldn't be any issue with not being able to keep track of what others have said.

3 ) LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN. Keep your ears and mind open to people trying to help you out. It'll help you greatly during RPs, and it'll help you make your RPs even better. You may be good at beating Armada 1&2, Homeworld, and the like, but the key point is that those are one player games. NS is most definitely not.

Again I apologize if this sounds harsh. I am only trying to help you. So please, just, take, it, slow... -er.

@Godular:

Slow, going to have to work on that more. Might also need to switch to decaf (lol, jk).

As for the slowly changing till I get my theme, I actually have no recollection of you ever saying that (if you did, I must have either missed it or forgotten about it).

As for the development threads, those are now dead. I have already started an intro thread (which is what I should have done long ago). From now on, I'm only going to use the ships in the Imperial Grand Navy Fleet Database thread.

The tech database thread is finished. I currently have no desire to add anything to it. I covered engines, stealth systems, offenses, defenses, power, and all the different things a ship needs.

As for this T'au thing, I'll take a look.

As for the use of the edit button, I know I need to work on that.

As for it sounding harsh, not in my opinion. It was honest, and to the point. The kind of stuff I need to know.

Pick a theme... REALLY... PICK A THEME. Star Trek, Star Wars, WH40k Necrons,
For the love of god, all his angels and saints, and all that is otherwise holy, please, please, please don't use them. Or I'll have to come and kill/assimilate you IC. Besides. Stock necrons are far too twinky for anyone to actually RP with. 100% enlistment and all.
WH40k T'au
Tau. T'au is their homeworld.

Now, in general, yes, randomly using the B5 stuff and Star Trek stuff and god knows what makes you look bad and incompetant. It makes you seem indecisive, and only interested in trying to be uber. If you're going Star Trek, go and do it, and take either nothing, or very little from other sources.

And as I (under another name) posted in another thread, if you're going to cut and paste statistics from elsewhere, make sure you understand what they mean first.

For the love of god, all his angels and saints, and all that is otherwise holy, please, please, please don't use them. Or I'll have to come and kill/assimilate you IC. Besides. Stock necrons are far too twinky for anyone to actually RP with. 100% enlistment and all.
Tau. T'au is their homeworld.

Now, in general, yes, randomly using the B5 stuff and Star Trek stuff and god knows what makes you look bad and incompetant. It makes you seem indecisive, and only interested in trying to be uber. If you're going Star Trek, go and do it, and take either nothing, or very little from other forces.

And as I (under another name) posted in another thread, if you're going to cut and paste statistics from elsewhere, make sure you understand what they mean first.

Hehehe... The Ctan and the Necrons... Funny story there, I actually play Necrons RL, and considered using them on NS when I joined...

Hehehe... The Ctan and the Necrons... Funny story there, I actually play Necrons RL, and considered using them on NS when I joined...

I remember your damned Necrons and your "Present", I don't think I can ever forget that.

Hehehe... The Ctan and the Necrons... Funny story there, I actually play Necrons RL, and considered using them on NS when I joined...

That would be better than merging necrontyr technology (ripoffs) with zerg, for which you deserve to be broiled in your own blood. Grr. <insert smilie here>

I remember your damned Necrons and your "Present", I don't think I can ever forget that.

Heh, that was a pretty good one, wasn't it???

Remember, I may technically qualify as a good guy, but I'm also one of the most vicious, evil, and bloody minded people you're ever liable to meet... I make Father look friendly...

@Ctan: Shut up. I stopped doing that long ago, and, I doubt you'd even be ablew to pull it off anyway.

Getting back on topic...

Frankly, Seaquest I don't think it's the numberous concepts being mashed together that is entirely annoying other posters, I've been RPing Iuthia for a long time and there are a number of technologies and ideas that have been taken, sometimes directly, from other fictions and then applied to my nations concept... it works so long as you aren't blatant about it. Thats just it really; you need to change things a bit to fit your nations concept, the basic overall idea you have of your nation that shouldn't just be "all my favorite sci-fi combined". Try thinking of your nations politics, the people and their culture and then apply things to suit that... if it doesn't fit then it's probably better not to us it.

I'm not of the opinion, like many others in this thread, that a nation should either be original or pick one fiction. I beleive that if someone wants to play their nation as a Smurfs in a society like 1984 with Star Trek technology then they can... so long as they can RP their concept smoothly enough to RP with them.

Also, bare in mind the power you are building your nation up to be... if you make it so you are an FT nation capable of destroying worlds then frankly a fair few of people just won't want to RP with you, exceptions to this would be other FT nations that have huge powerful claims. The idea being that they don't think it's fair that they've been building up their nation over time only for a newer nation to just claim they are more powerful because of their concept/technology. That said, it depends on the poster, there are those who will RP with anyone so long as they are reasonable.

As for some of the others, seriously, keep this on topic.

Getting back on topic...

Frankly, Seaquest I don't think it's the numberous concepts being mashed together that is entirely annoying other posters, I've been RPing Iuthia for a long time and there are a number of technologies and ideas that have been taken, sometimes directly, from other fictions and then applied to my nations concept... it works so long as you aren't blatant about it. Thats just it really; you need to change things a bit to fit your nations concept, the basic overall idea you have of your nation that shouldn't just be "all my favorite sci-fi combined". Try thinking of your nations politics, the people and their culture and then apply things to suit that... if it doesn't fit then it's probably better not to us it.

I'm not of the opinion, like many others in this thread, that a nation should either be original or pick one fiction. I beleive that if someone wants to play their nation as a Smurfs in a society like 1984 with Star Trek technology then they can... so long as they can RP their concept smoothly enough to RP with them.

Also, bare in mind the power you are building your nation up to be... if you make it so you are an FT nation capable of destroying worlds then frankly a fair few of people just won't want to RP with you, exceptions to this would be other FT nations that have huge powerful claims. The idea being that they don't think it's fair that they've been building up their nation over time only for a newer nation to just claim they are more powerful because of their concept/technology. That said, it depends on the poster, there are those who will RP with anyone so long as they are reasonable.

As for some of the others, seriously, keep this on topic.

Destroying worlds, now that is a tech I am seriously considering dropping. With the new set-up I have in my galaxy, that would just be against the whole point of everything that's going on. It also would go against my ethics.

Frankly, I'm using Babylon 5 universe Earthforce style tech, mostly, with a few Star Trek universe Federation style tech thrown in on my ships (which are from neither universe), as of now at least. The 'bad guys' I created for my galaxy, use pure Star Wars Imperial tech.