NationStates Jolt Archive

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That's right, World at War has moved to NationStates in attempt to reinvigorate itself, and under a different name and all! More accurately, all roleplaying will be done on NationStates, although it has it's own private Wiki at Modernwarstudies.net (http://modernwarstudies.net). What can you expect from MWS? A few changes were made, although similar rules apply. Nonetheless, this is a slightly futuresque roleplay, with technology leading into 2030-2040, although roleplaying and etiquette is a must; meaning, no claiming your tank cannot be knocked out. Regardless, this includes huge, ineffecient, but nonetheless awsome weapons of doom, ultimate generation main battle tanks, et cetera. Consequently, it offers the aspects of an Earth, the enjoyment of being in a good role playing community, and the entertainment of having loose bounds on weapon designs. Furthermore, unlike an Earth, each player can only play a single country, and the player takes on the role of that country - roleplaying as the country of choice, not the NS nation. However, to spice things up, we use our NS economy and population - meaning, Spain has a population of 5.5 billion+! Throughout world war history it has made for quite a success and much enjoyment.

The rules are quite simple:
1] No NBC ordnance!
2] No ignoring.
3] If inactive for two weeks you're off the list.
4] Realism with army logistics; more accurately fariness and etiquette.


Nation List [25]

Africa

Egypt: Droloon
South Africa: Willink

Asia

China: Granzi
India: Space Union
Iran: Nova Speculum
Iraq: Armacor
Israel: IDF
Japan: Tyrandis
Jordan: Dostanuot Loj
Saudi Arabia: Isolationist People

Europe

Italy: Spizania
Finland: Achleonia
France: Hyst
Germany: Habahus
Netherlands, The: The Exodians
Russia: Pushka
Spain: The Macabees
United Kingdom: CommunismRevisited-
Ukraine, The: The Kraven Corporation

North America

Canada: Riptide Monzarc
Cuba: Philanchez
Mexico: Greater Duestchland
United States of America, The: New Empire

South America

Brazil: Artitsa
Colombia: Skibereen
Paraguay: -Maghda-
Venezuela: Zarbia

Oceania

Australia: Kalmykhia

Threads
The Pax Americana (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462439)
Homage to Cataluña (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462455)
A Bolivarian
"Revolution" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462465)
A Death and Resurrection (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462469)
An Empire of Gold (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462471)
The Soviet Imperium of The Ukrainian Guard (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10207389)
The British Broadcasting Corporation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462480)
The Rising Sun (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462485)
A New Israel (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462497)
A New Stronato (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10208101#post10208101)
South African News (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10208081#post10208081)
Palestinian Liberation Movement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462507)
Colombia y España (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10209071)
International Cooperation Organization (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462610)
Presidental Meeting (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462620)
Российская Федерция (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10212018)
History of the Sauds (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462645)
...and today is the longest day of my life. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10213854)
The rise of an Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10215370)
Deutsche Demokratische Republik (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462735)

Maps

Hooray for the restart. Join now.

As for some background on my nation (the US), I'll be RPing a Tom Freidman style of government. Free trade, pretty much all welfare ends after you go through college, and a government determined to use their power in the 'interest of the free market.'

So join. Because its just awesome like that.

I would like to claim the Russian Federation.

For the Glory of the Senatus Populesque Romanus, yay Ortillery is allowed, the world shall tremble beneath the might of the Zeus Cannon

I'm in as Israel!!!! I will be of course RPing Israel the way it ought to be, a ruthless killer of fucking terrorists. The Likud party will rule my nation and make it ultra-conservative. I love huge military budgets and free economies. I also want to make sure I get all "Palestinian" land since there is no Palestine. Israel still holds the land. (IDF expelled all "Palestinians".)

Just a quick check, if I get killed in W@W, it won't affect IDF, right?

I would like to claim the Russian Federation.

Added.

For the Glory of the Senatus Populesque Romanus, yay Ortillery is allowed, the world shall tremble beneath the might of the Zeus Cannon

Assuming you can make it before someone blows it to smithereens. You honestly think anyone's going to let you build a WMD in orbit?

I would like to claim Finland

I would like to claim Finland

I think somebody that's been in the WW series for the past two years has already decided to take Finland.

Ill take Cuba.

World at War has moved to NationStates in attempt to reinvigorate itself

I think somebody that's been in the WW series for the past two years has already decided to take Finland.

You should really list the free/taken nations better, if that is so

Well, the only country is Finland - but I'll add him.

Wicked, it's back. Time for some interesting behaviour down in South America :cool:

Well, Macabees, isn't it fortunate for me that there is no such nation anymore that's named Lynxy turd(WW forum version) or Lynyx turd

You can check for yourself, but I got the "Nation not found"-page

That's because he does not play NationStates. He is just some roleplayer guy.

I would like to claim France, if possible.

Well that explains. But if he is some random rolpleyer and doesn't play NS, he can't be a part of this RP that takes place on NS forum

He will most likely have to revive his nation; if I hear nothing from him I will take him off the list.

LOL. THis is almost like "Major League."

"Uh, the players on this list have passed their prime. Most in fact never had a prime. And this one is dead."

"Then take him off the list"

Damn you! Didn't people that play WW before get to pick first. :p

Anyways, I would like to have Australia. Time to kick-some ass in the Australian region! With Kangroos!!!!!!!!!!!

All updated; and, get a thread up when you want and just link it here and I'll add it.

Hey mac, im just comming back from my december-NS break, need some rps to get me back into the crowd, and i guess ill take South Africa.

Hey, Mac scratch that. I want to claim India. I thought for some reason someone had claimed it before me, but no one has. So could you switch my claims to India. Thanks :)

Mother India or shall I say Khalistan!

Well, since I played in a few others, I'll go with Japan. And this time I'll probably be more active because I quit the BF2 crackpipe once EA Games gave all the little kiddies who bought the expansion pack super-powerful weapon kits.

Also what's the rules on wars with NPCs and hostality with them? I want to do some imperalisms but there's really no one to fight near me except Granzi, but I won't hurt him yet. The Empire of Sikhism is now ready to strike. :p

Also what's the rules on wars with NPCs and hostality with them? I want to do some imperalisms but there's really no one to fight near me except Granzi, but I won't hurt him yet. The Empire of Sikhism is now ready to strike. :p

As far as I know, no invading of NPC territory. Feel free to violate their airspace and waters as much as you want though.

Tyrandis is correct; and all changed and updated.

He will most likely have to revive his nation; if I hear nothing from him I will take him off the list.

Well if that happens, do inform me. I'll take Finland if he doesn't show up?
How long is the timespan before you take him off the list?

As far as I know, no invading of NPC territory. Feel free to violate their airspace and waters as much as you want though.

Damn! I'm alone for now. But violating airspace is a very fun thing, I believe. Ah the endless possibilities.........

Also Tyrandis would you be interested in relations with India. :) I'm going to be making my country thread soon and I would like to first establish relations with friendly nations.

Oh yeah Granzi, same goes with you. :)

Ireland Please. Good clean wholesome fun. Or maybe I'll be Spain... whose Germany... Whose France for that matter?

I'm Spain; nobody is France or Germany as of now.

I'll give it a shot. My RPing really needs some work.

Jordan please.

Oh, in that case, I'd like to Apply for teh Germans.

Done.

I'm considering joining this, although as who im not sure, perhaps as Ukraine or Austria,

Do we stilll have the 500 million rule?

I'm Spain; nobody is France or Germany as of now.

Uh, except that I am France...? :eek:

Anyways, I was just wondering... Is the political situation from which we start this RP similar to the IRL one? Meaning, doesNATO, EU and such exist?
Or do we just start out from a clean table?

Uh, except that I am France...? :eek:

Anyways, I was just wondering... Is the political situation from which we start this RP similar to the IRL one? Meaning, doesNATO, EU and such exist?
Or do we just start out from a clean table?

They exist if you want them to. But for example, the United States is no longer a NATO member, or a member of the OECD (an international aid group), and resigned from the Geneva Conventions. So they do exist as long as there are nations that want to RP being in them.

I decided to make as if Zapatero got his wish and pulled his troops from Afghanistan, which basically means out of a NATO mission - and thus, ending Spain's involvement in NATO. So, NATO for now has lost two of main members [Spain is actually more important than you think :p ].

I claim my usual spot :-)

Let the fortification begin.

Uh, except that I am France...? :eek:



Sorry, at first I thought you had chosen the Ukraine for some reason - they I saw your post and saw France...but I've always remembered the Ukraine. Bah.

I'd like to sign up for Ukraine, if that is ok with everyone?

I'd like to sign up for Ukraine, if that is ok with everyone?

That's fine.

That's fine.

Cool, Intro Thread comming up soon

Sorry, at first I thought you had chosen the Ukraine for some reason - they I saw your post and saw France...but I've always remembered the Ukraine. Bah.

Np.


BTW Artitsa, are you going to stick with the EU? I'd like to know that before I start my own thread, considering Germany as a quite vital factor when it comes to the European Union.

I'd like to proudly say I made the first thread to kick off this version of Modern War Studies.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10207228#post10207228

Whoohoo!

Artitsa changed to Brazil over AIM. Spain is still European Union, however, since Zapatero seems to agree with staying in the EU [and he remains in power until 2011].

I'd like to proudly say I made the first thread to kick off this version of Modern War Studies.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10207228#post10207228

Whoohoo!

Actually no, New Empire already created the first IC thread. :p

do we need to post tech again?

do we need to post tech again?

If it's in a storefront no; if not, then put it in the Wiki.

also put Isolationist People down as Saudi - he was muttering about it...

Will do; how do you want to treat Iraq? Does the USA and the UK have men there? I thought NE said he pulled out, but I don't really remember.

DAMN YOU... deleting my previous tech threads... :-( - ok can repost i guess... need to find now...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462469

The Capitalist Revolution in Cuba!

OCC: Could I watch? Space Union and CommunismRevisited-, I hope you use Gurkhas/Gorkhas in your RPs.

Draw your attention to my thread:

An Empire of Gold (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10207396#post10207396)

Spain, US, Russia, Japan, China are all invited to this. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10207389

Here we go, my nations Introduction, and an Invitation for world leaders to come and veiw my military display over the next few days

EDIT: And heres my Map

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/HorusGodEmperor/Modern%20War%20Studies/Ukrainemap.png

OCC: Could I watch? Space Union and CommunismRevisited-, I hope you use Gurkhas/Gorkhas in your RPs.

Ah, no problem but what are Gorkhas? I know what Gurkhas are, but what's that? Is that another name for Gurkhas?

Ah, no problem but what are Gorkhas? I know what Gurkhas are, but what's that? Is that another name for Gurkhas?

Yes. India renamed Gurkhas to Gorkhas. The Brits still maintain the name Gurkhas. Their is also another name: Ghoorkhas.

I'm in as Israel!!!! I will be of course RPing Israel the way it ought to be, a ruthless killer of fucking terrorists. The Likud party will rule my nation and make it ultra-conservative. I love huge military budgets and free economies. I also want to make sure I get all "Palestinian" land since there is no Palestine. Israel still holds the land. (IDF expelled all "Palestinians".)

Just a quick check, if I get killed in W@W, it won't affect IDF, right?

Just because I can, I'd like to play Palestine and the Palestinian Liberation movement.

It's really up to you and IDF to work things out. For now, I have no clue whether IDF decides that a Palestinian state is created or not, since it has not happened yet in RL, and is up to him whether or not it will happen between 2006 and 2015. If not, you could always be the PLO or Hizbollah.

It's really up to you and IDF to work things out. For now, I have no clue whether IDF decides that a Palestinian state is created or not, since it has not happened yet in RL, and is up to him whether or not it will happen between 2006 and 2015. If not, you could always be the PLO or Hizbollah.

I figured that. If there is no Palestinian state, I will play the various factions of the Palestinian resistance, including one of my own invention that I hope will really change the way things are done in the region. Based on his claiming post I'd say he won't want a Palestinian state, so would it be alright if I begin with resistance?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10207557#post10207557

Thanks Armacor for getting Saudi for me. Thought SM's player wanted it, but guess you got here first.


I'll try to get an opening thread up shortly.

Well, I'd think that since the Israel of W@W expelled all the Palestinian refugees, the PLO would need a base of operations to run their attacks from. You'd have to get another mid-east country to base and supply your fighters, but if you can do that, I figure it's OK in the rules. Just know that generally speaking, non-governmental forces generally die out within two weeks or so.

to the one who wants to be a Palistinian force... just be Syria... (or Lebanon)

Well, I'd think that since the Israel of W@W expelled all the Palestinian refugees, the PLO would need a base of operations to run their attacks from. You'd have to get another mid-east country to base and supply your fighters, but if you can do that, I figure it's OK in the rules. Just know that generally speaking, non-governmental forces generally die out within two weeks or so.

Well, there are still Palestinian ethnics in Isreal as Isreali citizens, right? I'll make it work. The PLO will continue.

If possible, sign me up as Paraguay.

Done.

Get on MSN, Mac. :)

Just because I can, I'd like to play Palestine and the Palestinian Liberation movement.
YOu know what, you can be Palestine, but don't be surprised if I wipe you out.

thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10208081#post10208081

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10208101#post10208101

My thread^ (I know it's lame, but it's all I've got)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462497

Sort of based on recent events. I figured this is a good way for me to start on MWS as having Netanyahu as a leader makes the move to the right I want to make quite plausible. (Besides, it ought to make it interesting with the Palestinians.)

OOC: I'm posting just to make sure I don't lose China. Was gone for most of the break so I couldn't post. Will whip up something soon.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462507

Palestinian Liberation Movement thread.

Colombian Threads:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10209071#post10209071

Well, as I said I'm claiming The Netherlands(Including it's "colonies") for this again. I'll link to threads as soon as there is something to link to...

Updated.

I'd like to join as Germany.

I'd like to join as Germany.

Go right ahead!

I'm just wondering if you have even informent Lynyx Turd about MWS. I sent you a telegram but you probably didn't notice it yet.

I'm sorry if I'm being a pain in the ass, but this just looks so promising and I really would like to be Finland

I left a link on the old forums and he hasn't followed it yet. I'm inclined to give Finland to you, so I will.

Just one more question, what year is this supposed to start? Then I know how far dates and stuff can go in a factbook and the such ;)

Just one more question, what year is this supposed to start? Then I know how far dates and stuff can go in a factbook and the such ;)

2015.

AAARGH! While the old site is crashed i missed this link, and also my chance to sign up as the UK *cries*.

Ah well, I will go for Persia again then I guess (aka, Iran)

You could come in as Slovenia or Portugal, i want an alliance and I want you close by for the purchasing of good quality helos

Unfortunately, due the IRl happenings lately it seems I cannot take active part to this RP (as I will not have acces to internet) for couple of weeks. Therefore, I must cancel my claim.

Terribly sorry for the inconvenience.

oh, just before i was going to attack

Pushka, if you're still watching what happens in this thread, check your telegrams. By the way, have you started your starting thread yet?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10211659#post10211659

International Cooperation Organization


Everybody welcome to come.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10211881#post10211881

That's mine. Hurrah!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10212018#post10212018


Российская Федерция

switch encoding to cyrillic if you can't read.

Seriously, I go away for three days and you start the war without me... Space Union had me worried there for a wee while, but luckily, Australia isn't taken. So I'll have her again, if ya don't mind Mac. And here's hoping I've finally gotten broadband in my apartment now, cos otherwise it'll make things annoying...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10212909#post10212909

Saudi opening thread. Just a small history so far.

About populations, why do we really need to have billions of people? I mean realistically Spain for example can't sustain 5 billion people, unless they're all midgits and you stuck them sideways. And the army, are we supposed to do the 6-7 or 4 percent thing? Cause i'd have a 100 mil army, and no realistic economy can sustain that much. An army should be somethere around 40 mil with logistics, thats not really real but its realish. Either way so how do we do the percent thing with our NS populations? Cause that would be a mess and will promote some bad RPing. I say how about we do this, every nation has 200-500 million people, thats enough to have a realistically compact enough military and a land mass one nation controlls can usually sustain that amount of people. What you think?

Well, our way has been working with some pretty good roleplaying for the last two years, so I don't think a change is necessarilly what this needs. Spain can very well sustain, in terms of space, five billion people, but regardless, it's largely ignored, as well as the economic matter, since we are using NS economies; the entire premise is simply to use RL geography, and somewhat RL politics [only with more war and death, which everyone agrees to love].

This is what we do:

NS population, NS economic stats. Natural resources (including food) are determined by RL geography and scaled up.

The only exception being microstates like the Vatican, etc.

It really isn't going to change, its one of the various things that keeps the RP fresh and unique from others.

Anyone going to come along and Enjoy boar and Vodka in Kradensk?

Well, our way has been working with some pretty good roleplaying for the last two years, so I don't think a change is necessarilly what this needs. Spain can very well sustain, in terms of space, five billion people, but regardless, it's largely ignored, as well as the economic matter, since we are using NS economies; the entire premise is simply to use RL geography, and somewhat RL politics [only with more war and death, which everyone agrees to love].

So you want 300 million people armies?

So you want 300 million people armies?

Yes. If you have enough population, you can field as many troops as your economy can realistically support.

Look, W@W has been through this before. We aren't gonna change it anytime soon...

The people that can support such armies are normally experienced enough to not.

Yes. If you have enough population, you can field as many troops as your economy can realistically support.

Look, W@W has been through this before. We aren't gonna change it anytime soon...

But that is ridiculus, people with smaller populations won't survive no matter how good they RP. And although what Mac said is noted, looking at what you said it seems you'd be one of the people who abuse that flaw in the NS system and provide for some really crappy RPing because of that. Or am i wrong in your case? I mean whats better realism or being able to say "my uber army is 10 times bigger then yours, and fully equipped so you can't win a war against me", eh?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10213854#post10213854

This is possibly the 1st actual major RP here that is not an introduction. Fans of "24" will probably like where I take this. This will be a fun false flag operation.

First Note: The general percentage we use at W@W is closer between one and two percent, with five as the sky limit.

Second Note: IDF, there is a message pending your responce in the Palestine thread. Should you agree it can be used as a segway for your chemical attack setup RP that you mentioned above. While I would not serve as the primary role (it would seem that will fall to the PLO player, it could serve as the looming threat keeping Mossad on a timetable, needing to stay one step ahead of the inspection team).

But that is ridiculus, people with smaller populations won't survive no matter how good they RP. And although what Mac said is noted, looking at what you said it seems you'd be one of the people who abuse that flaw in the NS system and provide for some really crappy RPing because of that. Or am i wrong in your case? I mean whats better realism or being able to say "my uber army is 10 times bigger then yours, and fully equipped so you can't win a war against me", eh?
Since we demand realism in Combat and tactics to a degree--and have excellent RP moderation--- Wankers usually get raped.

If your attack is based on smash and grab--your fecked. There are always people who will attempt to abuse the system---and they will always fail.

Good roleplay involves good Authority over rules--Mac and his Mates provide that, it involves desire to tell a good story, and co-operation.

Wankers have none of those three things going for them.

If someone requires numbers to make them a good RPer(small numbers or large numbers it makes no difference) then they are not really that good.

Which brings up a question, mostly for Jon. How are we gonna mod it here? Do we rely on the NS mods, or do we just do some self modding, with a couple from our group responsible for making sure things go alright?


Pushka, once things get going you'll see that its not as bad as you might think. I believe the highest amount of foot soldiers / frontline soldiers (those that do the actual fighting, compared to X number in the whole army) ever fielded in the W@W's was about 25-30 million. Most of the several billion pop people only use a few million as foot soldiers. I think my army only has 4 million. Its actually a lot easier than your thinking.

You've been very busy since I left for the holidays Mac. This is Jagada (new account now), if you have forgotten. Well...considering I've always wanted to play a fanatical islamic nations bent on slaying just about everyone and everything in any civilization society (no offense meant of coarse to any Moslems), I'd like to join up a Egypt. Thanks.

Hyst here, I would like to join up as La Republiqué de Françe.

My first Thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10215370#post10215370)

Tell me what you think about it, more like this will follow soon enough.

Introduction:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462735

Updated

Do you have to come up with an introduction thread or is it just reccomended, are we allowing nuclear powered vehicles like the Morrigan?
Mac, im waiting on you at the moment, i need that army designation stuff.

Well, I told I really didn't know how to complete it around the legion, and I gave you a couple of starting points; you were going to add your tanks as the alae...beyond that, I really A. don't have the time B. don't really know how, to design the organization of your military - if that's what you meant. I can't even catch up designing the new designs for my military. :(

And yes, SHBTs are allowed.

Considering most of the persons are doing it, I do recommend that introduction, if only to give an idea of how your country works in political/economical sense and the such. ;)

And now the two of you mention it, I'd better get some organizational plans ready to, those 20 million men aren't going to organize themselves...

Its a modernised Late Republic/Early Imperial Rome, you know sithering cauldron of political intrigue and corruption

Meaning that the person with the most money becomes the 'Emperor' as he/she can hire in more soldiers than his/her opponents. Interesting ;)

As you might have noticed, I'm going for something original, Unification. Should work out alright I think...

My news thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462767

But that is ridiculus, people with smaller populations won't survive no matter how good they RP. And although what Mac said is noted, looking at what you said it seems you'd be one of the people who abuse that flaw in the NS system and provide for some really crappy RPing because of that. Or am i wrong in your case? I mean whats better realism or being able to say "my uber army is 10 times bigger then yours, and fully equipped so you can't win a war against me", eh?

Well, before I tell you why this has worked, let me lay something out for you.

I do not like to brag about my RP, and I do not think I am the best RPer here. But if you think I'm a crappy RPer, I'd suggest you think again. I have never fielded a W@W single-theater army over 2 million, and even then only a fraction are combat personnel. Yes, I do rely on equipment, training and planned strategics to make it difficult for smaller nations to defeat me. That's kind of how it works. The only unwinnable situations are ones that an RPer forces themself into. There is no guaranteed victory in W@W, much less NS.

And for that reason we have the population rules. If you think its unfair that some nations are bigger than others, you're free to do so. But the thing is, we here at W@W have had years of successful RPing with these rules, and even small nations who get caught in unfortunate circumstances simply change their RP to adapt. Of course we can never guarantee it's 100% fair. But the fairest way is to base it on your NS nation. Its not like RL is on a level playing field either. If this was RL the nation I'm RPing now would be even MORE powerful. We're using the W@W rules because they work. If you have a problem with them, that's fine, but the people who run and have supported the RP aren't going to change them now, and assuming they must suck at RP isn't going to help your cause any further.

Ok, may I just let this be known to everyone:

What Modern War Studies is looking for is good RP quality. If someone can write a beautiful post with description and feeling, that is definitely a plus. I personally hate reading a couple small, shitty paragraphs with no detail. Put some effort into your shit or get out of the roleplay. Simple as that.

It takes more than 10 minutes to type up a quality post, usually it takes me 45 minutes to an hour to post something that I am satisfied with. That includes editing, using an online dictionary or thesaurus, and thinking about what I want readers to think or feel when they view what I have written.

Don't just post some half ass piece of crap because you feel you need to get a post in. Take your time and make it look good. :)

Red Star, Black Star (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462841)
The rise to power of the workers' unions in Australia. A historical thread. Australian factbook style thread to follow shortly (ie, tomorrow or Sunday).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462849
Applepie and Baseball

My first thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10215757#post10215757

Its an admittedly crappy internal RP but I had to rush to get it finished.

Its an admittedly crappy internal RP but I had to rush to get it finished.

Wow...I just...OK.

Wow...I just...OK.

lol, I know. I plan on embellishing it somewhat for my factbook (which now needs updating; current stuff in there is from the last W@W). I dont know how often I will be able to get on here in the near future however, so I wanted to get those basics down.

EDIT: OK, added a bit more padding to that. Its still not great but at 2am it will do...

Mac: What is happening on the old page? (I dont want to post there as i got 17 repeats last time...) Also who are those new members (the last 4...) and finally if we get this settled here, and get the other page php working again can we PLEASE go back? :-) (its not advertising if we just go away again is it?) (Also note for any NS mods - i didnt mention the name or adress of any previous site so this cant be an ad, can it...)


PS... my nation intro thread... um... It will be up when i find the txt file again...

Mac: What is happening on the old page? (I dont want to post there as i got 17 repeats last time...) Also who are those new members (the last 4...) and finally if we get this settled here, and get the other page php working again can we PLEASE go back? :-) (its not advertising if we just go away again is it?) (Also note for any NS mods - i didnt mention the name or adress of any previous site so this cant be an ad, can it...)


PS... my nation intro thread... um... It will be up when i find the txt file again...

Sorry but I think we should go back as well. If, of course, it can be fixed...

War against the Russian Federation has started

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10248748#post10248748

What is the actual reason for that attack on Russia? If it's just because they took a bit of land years ago, I almost feel obliged to help them. If there's something deeper behind this, I might not...

(I joined this to fight a war, and fight a war I will!) ;)

He claims that Petsamo and Korelia belong to Finland, which they don't. Infact they only belonged to Finland for 20 years in between the world wars, before that they have always been a part of Russia (well, atleast the eastern part of them was always a part of Russia), either way, i am all for war and stuff but the motivation is kind of shaky, its like his whole government woke up one day and decided that they were gonna be insane from then on.

Hey Achel, do you have like a listing of your military or something? Mine is in my sig. Also i am still awaiting your response to the turning off of gas and oil supplies. You do realize that Finland is completely reliant on Russian for natural gas and is reliant on russian for a good share of its oil? And its winter, and your citizens already are having problems with heating. In a Real Life situation you'd probably have a lot of negative reaction from the public towards your government. Plus even your military forces, the price on oil has risen for them, fighting a war will be harder and thats if i don't navaly blockade you and cut you off from oil supplies completely, which will make it impossible for you to fight a war.

Time for some legions to be tested in combat and for them to earn titles.... But who to support...

Me of course, i am the guy who gives you your natural gas.

Alrighty, he got here first, what do you want?
Is there some area your worried about?
Airbourne, Mechanised, CAS, Strategic Bombers?

North Korea open?

Pushka, you overestimate Finland's need of Russia's natural resources.
True, we get MOST of our gas and oil from Russia, but Finland probably would have a backup plan for something of this sorts to happen. We get natural gas from Europe, the pipe going all the way throught Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which you would have to conquer to put us into complate blockade, and we cane alway ship oil from Middle-East(Most countries from there haven't stated if they're neutral or not) or buy it from Norway.

Besides, your whole plan of keeping Finnish from coming over to your side is pretty loose. Finnish have come throught before and they shall do it again. Also, there's the thing that the whole border isn't swampland(And even if it would be, the swamp would be on ice, since it's winter). We also want Petsamo, and in winter time, our ski-soldiers can travel pretty fast and silent into our old border. You won't know what hit you when we come throught.

See, your defence plan has more holes than swiss cheese

EDIT:

Karelia belongs to Finland and Petsamo belongs to Finland

Karelia was first part of Finland(that was under Swedish rule) in 1617. This lasted until 1721.
Then it was again ours in 1812 when Russia added Karelia into Finland.
Then in 1917, Soviet-Russia grants Finland independency and Petsamo is added as a shield between Norway and Russia.
In Tarto peace treaty, 1920, Soviet-Russia confirms these borders as a part of Finland.
Then, in Paris peace treaty, this all is taken away from us. Lenin granted these areas to us and Stalin took them away.
Just because there are now 18 ethnic groups in Karelia and Petsamo, you cannot deny that it does not belong to us. Russia has a history of Viking rule and then Mongolian rule. What you are saying is, that if we can't have Karelia and Petsamo because of the short time we ruled there, you should give your areas to the Mongols and the Vikings because they ruled the Russian territories way longer than you have as an independent nation

*Thinks*

By joining on Ruslands side I can cut off even more of Finland's supplies, by joining Finland's side I can 'undo' the blockade. Decisions, decisions... ;)

*Realises something*

I forgot to 'buy my army' untill now, that's quite a problem... :eek: Now I need to think about how to solve that as soon as I can. Would it be an idea to transfer my MWS army from there to avoid troubles?

Pushka, you overestimate Finland's need of Russia's natural resources.
True, we get MOST of our gas and oil from Russia, but Finland probably would have a backup plan for something of this sorts to happen. We get natural gas from Europe, the pipe going all the way throught Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which you would have to conquer to put us into complate blockade, and we cane alway ship oil from Middle-East(Most countries from there haven't stated if they're neutral or not) or buy it from Norway.

Besides, your whole plan of keeping Finnish from coming over to your side is pretty loose. Finnish have come throught before and they shall do it again. Also, there's the thing that the whole border isn't swampland(And even if it would be, the swamp would be on ice, since it's winter). We also want Petsamo, and in winter time, our ski-soldiers can travel pretty fast and silent into our old border. You won't know what hit you when we come throught.

See, your defence plan has more holes than swiss cheese

Well, not really, if you going to try to invade me with light ifantry on skies, it'll be a massacre. FInland is not hooked up to the European pipeline and even if it was, Russia controlls a lot of energy supplies going into Europe.

EDIT:

Karelia belongs to Finland and Petsamo belongs to Finland


Think what you want but that land does not belong to Finland, only has for 20 years, just google for the history of the place its not that difficult.

Your going to put light infantry with skis and man portable weapons agsint mechanised heavy infantry with massive Close Air Support? The ice wastes will run red with Finnish Blood, this isnt 1940, this is 2030.

Where the hell is New Empire? Shit doesn't hit the fan by itself, sillypants!

2018, actually. And I'm not putting them alone on skis. Finland has aircrafts too, you know. And the mechanized divisons can follow in a sort of Blitzkrieg style attack if it comes to it. You'll see my strategy later in the main thread

2018, actually. And I'm not putting them alone on skis. Finland has aircrafts too, you know. And the mechanized divisons can follow in a sort of Blitzkrieg style attack if it comes to it. You'll see my strategy later in the main thread
No offence, but they have a point. Your infantry will be slow and weak. Men on skis can't hope to keep up with modern armour. By the time the your men get to where you want them, the Russians will have already had a chance to get into position with heavy forces. Why not use the mechanized divisions in the first place, and give the mounted infanty skis to increase their tactical mobility? The only advantage of ski-troops is that they improve their strategic mobility - they won't be as fast, but they can go anywhere, which is important in the woods of Karelia.

2018, actually. And I'm not putting them alone on skis. Finland has aircrafts too, you know. And the mechanized divisons can follow in a sort of Blitzkrieg style attack if it comes to it. You'll see my strategy later in the main thread

To be honest i like the idea of using Ski Infantry, its different, Everyone says you have to have a certain element to your military to be effective, then everyone ends up having clone armies, Ive seen it in Warhammer as well, at Tornaments, the amount of Space Marine players i've played against who all have identical armies is stupid. Its refreshing to see someone use something thats against the norm.

I tried it here but my Thread and presence seems to have Disappeared without much notice.

Why, thank you Kraven.

The point of ski infantry is that they are silent, swift on short distances and that they can blend into the white landscape easily. Their strenght is especially against clumsy armoured units that can't travel in deep snow or travel that fast in woodlands. Thats how the battle on Raate road was won in 1940 with 6,000 Finnish ski soldiers against the 25,000 Russian troops. I know it's "ancient history" and that his is the 21st century we're talking about, but the agility of armours hasn't changed since then that much

Why, thank you Kraven.

The point of ski infantry is that they are silent, swift on short distances and that they can blend into the white landscape easily.

*cough*thermal imaging*cough*

Finland, your infantry will get massacred in this situation.

@Tyrandis, if you don't suspect anyone being there, would you use thermal goggles?

@IDF, might be so, might not be so. We shall see what happens

@Tyrandis, if you don't suspect anyone being there, would you use thermal goggles?

@IDF, might be so, might not be so. We shall see what happens

Most sane militaries do. I for one have each soldier issued a thermal goggles if they ever need them. And if a military is smart, they will look at the place where the enemy is most likely not going to be.

@Tyrandis, if you don't suspect anyone being there, would you use thermal goggles?

The thing is why wouldn't i expect them? Also there are such "advanced" technologies as aerial thermal imaging and so on and so forth and also my soldiers do use battlesuits (well not battlesuits, more like the Land Warrior except with better protection and a more integrated software and a better gun) which have thermal scanning equipment included. Either way, i am going to wait for you to respond to the cruise missile before i post, and also so are you attacking me with the skiers first or not? And how many of them are there?

And what about the natural gas situation? Finland is not hooked up to the rest of europe by any pipelines i know off (that means its not hooked up to the rest of Europe), by 2013 it would probably be connected to the seabed pipeline going to UK that is being costructed now, but that pipeline starts in Russia so we can turn you off. Just i mean, atleast mention a bit of civil unrest over your government's rush decision and this current hardships your citizens are having.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10267414#post10267414
I'm bombing Germany (I needed a war)

I've updated the map (it's on the Wiki) but I haven't uploaded it yet...on the auxiliary computer. But I will soon upload it and update the labels.

Woohoo! Things are gonna be picking up soon....

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464405

(Also known as The Beginning of The End for Socialist Canada, and Indeed Socialism Around The World)

What I'm wondering the most is, why hasn't the UN stepped in to try and smooth talk all of us out the war that soon is threathening the whole Europe and Middle-East(especially Israel)?

Is The Macabees even trying to run and update this thing anymore?

UNITED NATIONS?!?!?! We don't have a fucking UN here. War is the name of the game.

Success! I updated the map!

http://modernwarstudies.net/index.php?title=World_Map

To tell you the truth; I really don't like the idea of this on Jolt. That's why I haven't shown up in a while. But, alas, we can't advertise the real game.

Yeah man, Jolt sucks and really discourages me from even posting. I really don't want to play here, it's unorganized and impossible.

Can we jsut start on a new forum and continue all the threads we've started to date there?

Can we jsut start on a new forum and continue all the threads we've started to date there?

We could; but the NS mods would shut this thread, and any advertisement thread, down.

Lets Kill The Ns Mods!!!!

Yeah... i too am having issues with here... too many unrelated threads - no way to know who a poster is representing... :-(

I want to go back - but the pHp has collapsed again (still) got to be the first thing to fix i guess :-)

I'm boycotting MWS until it gets moved off of Jolt! WHO'S WITH ME? ;)

I'm boycotting MWS until it gets moved off of Jolt! WHO'S WITH ME? ;)
Nah, I wouldn't be in favour of that... I think it'd be a good idea to get the forum and everything fixed up, and then maybe start back off-site, but keep this one going AS WELL. That way, we aren't breaking Jolt rules (as far as I know, please inform me if I am - the rule is no advertisement, yeah? And this wouldn't be advertisement) and we can garner new members, but at the same time enjoy the cool, refreshing forum at Mac's personal Server of War (TM).
Whatcha think of that idea?

To be honest I am having trouble here as well and i was all for it...well not being here. Blech.

But, for W@W starting fresh.

So were a lot of people...just look at the list of names.

It seems fundamentally absurd to me that the Mods would close the thread.

They should be happy that NS spun off such well organized and popular phenom, not be draconian asses about it.

I will try to get more active here---NOT as active as I would be off site.

But, more.

I say we see how many want to get an organized ......mirror RP ......set up else where---as MAc has a site perfect I believe......