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To keep the thread ViZionarian Congress To Oppose Far-Right Plans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880) from being over-run w/ OOC posts, I've created this for OOC talk.

Yes! This thread is still open for more RP'ers to enter. However, if you godmod, you will promptly be booted and ignored from this RP, and chances are, everyone here WILL ignore you for the remaining life of your nation as well. Please post question in here first before posting if you have any about this war, which had gone beyond ViZion's borders and into the Med Sea, as well as into other nations borders and is turning into a pretty major war, or if you have any questions about what sort of numbers, etc you can post... and questions on how not to godmod. :)

Some info...
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/3818/italycivwarmil9zq.jpg
Red circles=Congressional Forces air and land bases
Red squares=Congressional Forces naval bases
Green circles=Presidential Forces air and land bases
Green squares=Presidential Forces naval bases

Italian Claims
http://www.freewebs.com/vizionpics/ItalyMap.JPG
Red dot on the heal=ViZion City (largest city w/ over 600 million living there; capitol city)
Blue dots=Large cities (50 million+)
Black dots=Midsize cities (5 million-49.999 million)

African Claims
http://www.freewebs.com/vizionpics/mapafrica.JPG
Blue dots=Large cities (50 million+)
Black dots=Midsize cities (5 million-49.999 million)

Antarctica Claims
http://www.freewebs.com/vizionpics/antarctica2.JPG

Kahanistan mapp
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4946/map7neo1dx.jpg
Black dots - Water treatment / desalination facilities.
Bright red dots - Cities.
Red lines - Highways.
Blue dots - Naval bases.
Dark red dots - Imperial Marine bases.
Green dots - Republic Guard ground forces' bases.
Light blue dots - Air Force (part of the Kahanistan Republic Guard) bases.

Congressional Forces (CF)=defensive; fighting against a takeover; for the old Constitutional Federal Republic government
Presidential Forces (PF)=offensive; trying to take over ViZion; for the new far right fascist dictatorship government

Congressional Forces:
CF of ViZion
Jarridia
Credonia
Kahanistan
Questers
Soviet Bloc
Yallak
Xirnium
Sarzonia
Praetonia
Dr_Twist
Please say so if you're missing and from what list!

Presidential Forces:
PF of ViZion
Doom
MP
McLeod
Tyrandis
Banduria
Please say so if you're missing from here!

Neutral:
Southeast Asia
Amestria
Please say so if you're missing from here!

There is no set outcome. This RP will determine where ViZion goes... rather it stays the same, becomes the fascist dictatorship Villian wants, or something else...

Note:
This RP does not have any rules outside of do not godmod. Nukes are allowed. If one nation has a problem with it, then the nations involved in a nuclear crisis need to deal with it. However, I will state that the defender SHOULD get the choice since he's the one under attack - unless those involved in the group agree differently.

OOC: Would you consent to me using ortillery in this conflict?

Nope, sorry, strictly modern... if we don't have the technology now or within the new 3-4 years, no can no. MT, not PMT or FT. ;) Thanks for askin though!

Well, then I can't militarily intervene, as I'm overhauling all my junk to PMT.
I'll keep my infiltration squad in, though..

Well, then I can't militarily intervene, as I'm overhauling all my junk to PMT.
I'll keep my infiltration squad in, though..
alright

NS MT stretches to a 2020 tech level, in case you forgot. My main offensive armament in orbit are rail guns which fire tungestan rods and a type of launcher which relases reentry pods filled with UPR missiles. A have anti-missile SDI systems as well, but then again, most of these technologies are sold in MT storefronts, so go figure.

NS MT stretches to a 2020 tech level, in case you forgot. My main offensive armament in orbit are rail guns which fire tungestan rods and a type of launcher which relases reentry pods filled with UPR missiles. A have anti-missile SDI systems as well, but then again, most of these technologies are sold in MT storefronts, so go figure.
some say 2010, others say 2020. Same thing w/ military figures... some say 2% of population total, some say 5% of the population... it varies. If other nations are willing to accept it, then I'll permit it. Sound good?

Nope, sorry, strictly modern... if we don't have the technology now or within the new 3-4 years, no can no. MT, not PMT or FT. ;) Thanks for askin though!

Rules me out for a direct intervention then. Bollocks.
On the other hand, I could still bankroll others...

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I've found that ortillery tends to ruin RPs with all it's wankyness. I'd object to it's use. Of course, if you just absolutely HAVE to use it, I'd break out my own...

Does this RP already have a set outcome?

On another note, I haven't been on the computer much because I've been sick the past few days.

Does this RP already have a set outcome?

On another note, I haven't been on the computer much because I've been sick the past few days.
Nope. At least ViZion didn't tell me there was one...

Doomingsland: Is your fleet near ViZion city?

Does this RP already have a set outcome?

On another note, I haven't been on the computer much because I've been sick the past few days.
Sarz, good to see you back. And check your TGs, cos I've been waiting for a response.

Doomingsland: Is your fleet near ViZion city?
I don't think so...it's like 200 miles away from the Italian coast, so I'd say not.

Well, that means I dodge you..ViZion, is there a Presidential/Congressional Forces fleet near ViZion City?

Prae, Hoggy.

How the hell did you just bypass my fleet, which has only really gotten a few miles from gibraltar?

And where are your fleets and airforces? (it's not really clear)

The end of the RP is not set at all... this RP will determine where ViZion goes... rather it's the old government remaining, a new fascist dictatorship takes over, or something else... nothing set aside from there's gonna be a big ass fight in ViZion...

Updated original post w/ maps of the rest of ViZion's claims...

Velkya, TG....

All right, maybe you guys will start actually ENGAGING the big-ass fleet that's going to make mincemeat of the Presidential allies if you keep ignoring it...

Now, I'm willing to be reasonable and edit some of my mobilization / deployment / landing posts, but I want some feedback. How far do you want this fleet scaled back? I have three big naval bases on my shoreline, a total naval strength of 1200 warships and 4000 transports (nothing even close to the size of the great naval powers) of which only 500 warships and 1200 transports will even be deployed and only 200 warships and 400 transports have been deployed.

ICly, this is to be the biggest contribution of troops in my nation's history, the current record is 1.65 million troops and 30 warships to the invasion of Xirnium by Kraven. So I won't go below 2 million troops, and I want to show off my new navy that was just rebuilt after being decimated by AMF, I want to show I'm still a force to be reckoned with. And before anyone asks, I probably have one of the biggest defense budgets for a nation my size.

Velkya,

How exactly did you manage to shoot down so many missiles (traveling at mach ten) when opening up from so close? They'd literaly close a two mile gap in a few seconds at the speeds they were going. Another thing: the fact that these were ETC guns would generally imply that these cannons are gonna have a much lower rate of fire than a conventional gun (due to quicker overheating and whatnot)

ETC weapons make horrible CIWS, which is exactly what you're using them for in that post.

You're losses seem to be pretty unreasonable.

Another thing: ViZion stated before that this was a modern mech RP, and he defined modern tech as technology being available within the next few years. Missiles with plasma warheads are DEFINATELY not modern tech by these standards. That, and the fact they have a kiloton yield means I'd have to retaliate with nuclear weapons.

If you're registered to the Draftroom, I suggest this thread on a discussion on plasma missiles Velkya: http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=546

Err... actually thats my fault. The Plasma Warheads were my design that I ripped off from the game Ace Combat 5(I discovered that those warheads were Plasma Warheads via a Ace Combat Website). I sold the designs(and the missile it requires) to Leafanistan, which is probably where Velkya picked up on it. Some people have copied my design, it also has developed two nicknames, one is Burst-Warhead, the other is N2(Non-Nuclear Bomb).

Thanks for the heads up guys; it's out of my inventory. The missiles and guns have been edited. Sorry for the problem.

And yes, Ride Tide, I got my first few missiles from Leafanistan, and reverse engineered them to my purposes and vastly expanded on the design, implanting them on submarines and even as orbital weapons.

However Doom, I recall that SCRAM jets were a PMT level technology, and Mach 10 surface to air missiles would be basically impossible to steer due to the obscenely high speeds.

Thanks for the heads up guys; it's out of my inventory. The missiles and guns have been edited. Sorry for the problem.

And yes, Ride Tide, I got my first few missiles from Leafanistan, and reverse engineered them to my purposes and vastly expanded on the design, implanting them on submarines and even as orbital weapons.

However Doom, I recall that SCRAM jets were a PMT level technology, and Mach 10 surface to air missiles would be basically impossible to steer due to the obscenely high speeds.
Scramjets aren't PMT, they exist now. In fact, they've already tested platforms that hit mach ten.

My transports most likely would have moved out of the way, SCRAM jets aren't exactly manueverable engine platforms. Say my transports are moving at 600 miles an hour, which is reasonable for a jet powered transport at the early PMT level (circa 2040-2050 tech level). This would mean that in the time in took for your SAMs to reach me, about 10 seconds at my altitude. 600miles an hour, which is 6 miles per second. My transports would have moved 60 miles in the time it took for your missiles to to get there. This is from a 90 degree angle, not the angle you've fired at me. Now, not only would a missile carrying a SCRAM engine be quite large, farther decreases it's turning ability, but also easy to hit, which is where my CICW systems come it. Even with 1,400 missiles coming at me (some of which would undoubtably knock into each other while turning to meet my planes, causing collatral damage amoung the missiles), the intense barrage of 30mm fire from the rapid firing CICW cannons would knock the majority of the missiles out of the air before they reached the transports.

You're complaining about tech levels and you're using PMT transports?

And besides, the missiles don't actualy hit mach ten until after awhile (probably after breaking around 100,000 feet, I'm guessing, not totaly sure)

Most of the maneuvering would have been done before then, making use of thrust nozzles and whatnot. Add that to the fact that these are really big and most likely unmaneuverable transports, and i can most likely get a bead on you as I'm going at slower speeds. Yes, it is true that maneuvering becomes far more difficult at speeds exceeding mach five, but not impossible. Slight course adjustments should be possible, and from what I'm seeing from your bombers, that's all I'm gonna need.

Yes, the missiles are big, but they're fast. Quite frankly, too fast for your guns to even hope to successfully engage. CIWS is gonna have an extremely limited time to engage, and nowhere near the majority of the missiles (if any) would be hit.

And what's this crap about 90 degree angles you're talking about? These missiles are being launched from pretty damned far away, no way in hell you'd be directly over the base by the time the missiles get near.

Thrust nozzles as well? These missiles must be massive.

Reguardless of speed, that's a massive number of bullets to attempt to get through, even if my CICW systems only have seconds to engage, they'll be able to put a massive screen of hundreds of thousands of bullets up. To add to that, traveling at hypersonic speeds isn't going to aid the missiles survivability very greatly.

Even so, you have made some excellent points, I'll increase my losses to around one hundred aircraft.

OOC: sorry guys, it'll be sometime this weekend before I'll have the time to post... first week back in class w/ hw in all 3 of the classes=less time for posting... especially when I'm trying to turn things around grade wise, going from like a 1.5 or so GPA last quarter to getting hopefully a 3.5 this quarter...

Ok, Velkya, your ETC idea is friggin impossible. Here's a breakdown of why, just judging by reaction time.

The missiles are rather hard to detect on radar, and even with the best IR systems, you'd probably wouldn't detect them until they're around 50 km out. The missiles move at around 5 odd km a second, giving you roughly 10 seconds to respond. Let's break down those 10 seconds.

Detection and Classification: 1-2 seconds
After detecting the missiles, you have to make sure that they're not say... friendlies etc. You have to make sure that they're missiles.

Targeting Computation: 3 seconds, at least.
Ok, your issue is that there are so many missiles, and they're probably not coming straight at you. More likely, they're wrapping around you and coming from many different angles, making a hit so much more likely.

Pointing the weapon: 0.2 seconds.
Nuff' said.

Spin-up and charge: .4 seconds.
ETC weapons need to charge up a little first, and minigun style weapons need to spin up before firing.

After firing, even though you only destroy one missile with a burst, each plane has around 4-5 other missiles attacking it from different angles, which would play merry hell with your planes, even if you launch countermeasures along with firing your guns. And countermeasures are nearly useless on NS, due to the advanced processing systems every missile has, not to mention the fact that the missiles are already so close that they can easily differentiate between a plane and some random bits that sparkle or burn.

OOC: sorry guys, it'll be sometime this weekend before I'll have the time to post... first week back in class w/ hw in all 3 of the classes=less time for posting... especially when I'm trying to turn things around grade wise, going from like a 1.5 or so GPA last quarter to getting hopefully a 3.5 this quarter...

1.5, holy bejesus! F**k NS, hit those books, boy!

Pwnage, the ETC part was edited out about about 12 hours before your post, I've changed them to the conventional minigun

Note that each plane has 3 CICW guns, 1 under the cockpit section, 1 at the rear of the aircraft, and one topside towards the center of the plane, allowing for near complete coverage excluding a direct side attack and an attack on the tail section. Depending on the position the aircraft have taken in their particular wave (10 waves consisting of about 100 aircraft each, which would explain why the first wave would be wiped out), each plane could bring 2, possibly all three guns to bear.

Sorry for all the trouble, I'm basically a newb when it comes to weapons designs.

1.5, holy bejesus! F**k NS, hit those books, boy!
ha, ya, it wasn't exactly my best quarter... last winter quarter I got like a 3.7... so, I can do it, just had a rather rough quarter between problems at my work, 3 tough (For me) classes, feelin burnt out, and having lost interest in schooling that quarter... this quarter should prove to be much better considering 2 of my 3 classes I'm actually extremely interested in and another I know I need to take (public speaking) to get over my stage fright...

EDIT: This is ViZ, I just created this nation a couple nights ago... new nations are fun to raise, and it seems no one really wants to have a good ol' fashion war w/ 5 billion pop nations.. lol

Is it too late for Amestria to become involved?

Is it too late for Amestria to become involved?
Nah, feel free to join, just note that me AKA ViZion wont be RPing much except on the weekends, at least for a week or so because of classes...

Just to clarify, yes, Aveliot=me... :p

(ViZion, place the name ISAF in your sig, if you get what I mean.)

Can someone please put up a list of who is supporting who?

Congressional Allies:
Amestria
Hogsweat (using Questers)
Kahanistan
Praetonia
Velkya
Whyatica
Xirnium

Presidential Allies:
Doomingsland
MassPwnage

Neutral:
Macisikan
Tyrandis

Add Tyrandis in the Neutral List.

Can some one fill me in on what the Presidents forces control, what the Congressional forces control, what is outside everyones control, what are the air defenses protecting Northern ViZion, and where are all the foreign forces positioned?

I'm in the dark, too. All I can tell you is I have a fleet at the southern tip, trying to come in through the mountains, and that my fleet in Kahanistan and the nearby civil assets just came under fire from a MassPwnage fleet.

The fleet that went to Italy somehow wasn't engaged, but if they keep ignoring it they do so at their own peril, would you ignore a 200-ship armada in your waters? Anyway, it's deploying NBC-suited personnel (all Kahanistan soldiers wear NBC after the Freekish war) and chemical warfare specialists to the campus that got gassed, but they'll take a few days to get there.

Amestria will not be sending a fleet, Amestrian forces can just fly into ViZion (thus my question about the airdefenses and who controls them)...

We'd like to get in on this, if only as slient observers, besides TLA had been warned of the dangers of what could happen if ViZion became an evil empire.
(Check the fossil thread, "We warn all nations... watch out." and the posts there)

Congressional Allies:
Amestria
Kahanistan
Praetonia
Questers (Hogsweat)
Velkya
Xirnium

Presidential Allies:
Doomingsland
MassPwnage

Neutral:
Tyrandis
*coughs and points politely to the declaration of neutrality (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10198249&postcount=93) in the IC thread*
Mind sticking me in neutral as well please?

1.5, holy bejesus! F**k NS, hit those books, boy!

Pwnage, the ETC part was edited out about about 12 hours before your post, I've changed them to the conventional minigun

Note that each plane has 3 CICW guns, 1 under the cockpit section, 1 at the rear of the aircraft, and one topside towards the center of the plane, allowing for near complete coverage excluding a direct side attack and an attack on the tail section. Depending on the position the aircraft have taken in their particular wave (10 waves consisting of about 100 aircraft each, which would explain why the first wave would be wiped out), each plane could bring 2, possibly all three guns to bear.

Sorry for all the trouble, I'm basically a newb when it comes to weapons designs.
Oh, so you can change IC stuff like that but Tyrandis can't?

Dooming, where do you get off, you're quite hostile towards me, as if I'm deeply insulting you somehow. Calm down a bit.

Tyrandis has changed the information about the "Velkyan" Xeon in his IC (he made a error of to the Velkyan plane he was copying from, which was made clear to me, so I allowed it) anyhow, so your point is irrelevant.

Anyways, to all wondering what in God's name is going on, Praetonian and Velkyan airborne divisions are trying to break through the fighter and SAM cover of Doomingsland to get to the embattled ViZion City, Doom has gassed the campus with Sarin gas, and Whytica has landed a small amount of soldiers on the ViZionion coast. In addition, MassPwnage, Kahanistani, and now newly-arrived Velkyan fleets have engaged off Kahanistan's coastline. If I'm missing anything, please inform me.

Can someone tell me who, if anyone, is at the Gibralta straits?

I believe Doom's blockade fleet might attempt to pass through there, but your better off moving thru the Suez to aid allied naval forces.

I plugged up gibraltar and Prae and Hoggy are trying to enter.

I knew I was forgetting something.

Answer to Velkya's Question in the IC Thread: We're RPing this on the General earth, so i'm taking my usual earth territories and just transplanting them there.

Also, I would like to note that the keelbreaker torpedos I launched wouldn't give you enough time for the sonar decoys to react, not that they would have worked anyways given that the torpedos have LIDAR on them on their control surfaces as well.

Got it, thanks.

Velkya, I've noticed that several of your attacks are at the very least improbable and more likely blatant Godmodes. It looks to me like you should have taken a LOT more damage from torpedo and missile attacks than you did. Besides that, railguns are usually guided by GPS positioning or laser sights and are much more accurate than you have made them out to be.

I could understand if you wrote that MassPwnage's 30 inch shells were inaccurate since accuracy and range decrease once you pass a certain threshold of naval gun calibre. But you're facing attacks from three sides that I don't think you'd be able to survive as well as you've painted it.

Sounds like things have been getting pretty interesting! Tomorrow I plan on catching up (anyone up for giving me the updates? Seems like things have progressed alot!!!) so that I can post this weekend?

And I'm shocked there's still only a couple giving aid to the Presidential Forces... Mass and Doom, please feel free to call upon some of your allies to make it a bit more of an even fight! What is it, 4 on 1 or so right now? lol

We'd like to get in on this, if only as slient observers, besides TLA had been warned of the dangers of what could happen if ViZion became an evil empire.
(Check the fossil thread, "We warn all nations... watch out." and the posts there)
We warn all nations... watch out." (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432450)

There ya go! haha, I had forgotten of that thread... and note, that isn't the first time something like that has happened with ViZion at the reigns.

Trust me, things'll get REAL bloody on NS if ViZion falls into Villians sole hands... I mean, ViZion's always been pretty trigger happy and rather aggressive, but with a fascist dictator at the helm of ViZion... ViZion will go from a bit aggressive and provocative to imperialistic and deadly. Expect the international stability to go from what it is now - a bit weak - to completely unstable as ViZion begin flying bombers over nations and soldiers across borders. Not to mention a bunch of live-human scientific experiments and death camps a la Nazi Germany.

ViZion, who controls the air-defense system of Northern ViZion, and what are some of the details on it...

ViZion, who controls the air-defense system of Northern ViZion, and what are some of the details on it...
At this point, I honestly do not know, as I haven't RP'd since I believe Monday, and alot has changed since then I see... so your get is as good as mine until I get an update from those who've been actively RPing...

Sounds like things have been getting pretty interesting! Tomorrow I plan on catching up (anyone up for giving me the updates? Seems like things have progressed alot!!!) so that I can post this weekend?

And I'm shocked there's still only a couple giving aid to the Presidential Forces... Mass and Doom, please feel free to call upon some of your allies to make it a bit more of an even fight! What is it, 4 on 1 or so right now? lol
To be fair a lot of the Congressional people arent posting or are just plain godmodding and will probably be ignored soon.

Congressional Allies:
Amestria
Kahanistan
Praetonia
Questers (Hogsweat)
Velkya
Xirnium

Presidential Allies:
Doomingsland
MassPwnage

Neutral:
Tyrandis

So I take it from that list Banduria isn't getting involved, that does simplify matters for me, I may get involved when things even out, I'd rather not leap onto an already overbalanced side and make things even more overbalanced.

Put me down as neutral for the moment, ICly I'd be leaning towards presidential forces, however alliances would tilt me to congressional side.

I'm supporting Velkya and Kahanistan with their fight against the MassPwnage navy, but I am not going to directly militarily intervene in ViZion.

Stick Tyrandis under Presidential Allies, he's not neutral.

To be fair, Kahanistan, some of the stuff you have tried to pull in this, and then claimed to change (the impact is still the same) is godmodding, or on the verge of godmodding. A number of players involved in this rp that I talk to on MSN, both Presidential and congressional, aren't happy with the way you are going about things, and neither am I. Please, for the sake of the RP, tidy up. If you get a whole column of replies stating what you are doing is wrong, saying your deployments are wrong, then don't just claim what they're saying is incorrect, re-evaluate it. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the betterment of an RP.

Velkya: About how your bombers managed to sustain losses of only 100 when Doom fired 1,400 SAMs at 1,200 planes... perhaps you should understand how air intercept missiles work.

Consider your post:

Having plenty of time to prepare for the arrival of the enemy missiles, at about 2 miles out from the oncoming planes, a massive display of defensive fire erupted from the formation of transports, as the behemoths opened fire with their 30mm point defense guns, spewing literally millions of rounds it the incoming missiles, as various countermeasure systems onboard activated, sending the incoming horde into mass confusion. Of course, confused targets are easy targets, and the fragmentation rounds tore through the mass of missiles. A pilot of an AWACs aircraft, which was loitering above the main formation along with a Valkyrie escort, witnessed the inferno below.

Please note that you would not have been able to detect those SAMs before they reached their final attack phase, because there were no active electromagnetic emissions during the mid-course guidance. Thus, when Doom's SCRAMjets ignited and the active seekers came online, you'd have almost no time to spin up the miniguns. Furthermore, that range on the CIWS is implausible, to say the least; two miles from a minigun? And even if the missiles were intercepted at that range, the ONC warheads would have been ignited, propelling lethal shrapnel into the soft bellies of those transports. The principle behind CIWS works wonders for ships, but not so much for aircraft, because the payload isn't a massive HE warhead, but a proximity blast that sends fragments ripping into the target.

PMT or not, they're going down at casualty rates of at LEAST 60-65%.

As for the navy thing, I haven't read enough, but suffice to say that one missile intercepting ten of MP's ASMs is unbelievable, to say the least...

I was under the impression this was MT? I've even went to the trouble of digging up the stats for my Virage Fighter Jey project and some of my other MT designs in preparation for some more IC movement where I can make an entrance.

OK, Kahanistan,

Firstly, can you at least post your losses? And I'm pretty much out of range of your battleship guns, so you're stuck launching missiles, pretty much (you might wanna tell me just what you're using to attack me rather than just say you're targetting me, unless you're doing just that and not attacking at all) Another thing, seeing as your carriers are being shelled before you can launch your aircraft, I think your flight ops would be toast before you can get more than ten fighters off the ground. Another thing: YOU CAN'T LAUNCH A B-52 OFF OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER!!!!!!!!!!!

And my guy would have responded with the attack right after he recieved the message from your's, so this is technically taking place before you declared war on me...

To be fair, Kahanistan, some of the stuff you have tried to pull in this, and then claimed to change (the impact is still the same) is godmoding, or on the verge of godmoding.

Those numbers of warships are perfectly within my defense budget. And there are nations whose fleets are far larger than mine.

A number of players involved in this RP that I talk to on MSN, both Presidential and Congressional, aren't happy with the way you are going about things, and neither am I.

I can't change anything if you don't tell me what needs changing. Be more specific.

Please, for the sake of the RP, tidy up. If you get a whole column of replies stating what you are doing is wrong, saying your deployments are wrong, then don't just claim what they're saying is incorrect, re-evaluate it.

Nobody complains when the enemy is deploying way advanced tech against me. Tell me what you want fixed, don't just say it's godmoding. I take that as a serious personal insult.

Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the betterment of an RP.

I have no objection to reducing the number of forces I'm deploying, but I won't reduce them and still field these kind of wild claims that I'm a godmoder from you.

EDIT: I reduced the ground forces in transit from 3.6 million to 2.5 million and the total fleet deployment by 60%. Also, 400,000 rather than 800,000 troops are landing, though the number will be even lower with the recent attack.

If that's not a big enough cut, then T.S.

Kahanistan, really..US and Russian equipment won't do it against NS grade gear..

MassPwnage, this is MT. 1000 mile railguns are improbable to say the least, unless someone can correct me on that one...

Oh, he can have them, they'll just take a whole power planet to power and be impossible to fire accuratly.

ooc: Alrighty.... not responding to anyone's posts until some serious, serious issues are resolved.

The biggest issues come first:

Velkya: Velkya, your fleet is dead. There is seriously no way in hell any of your units, especially your carriers and airplanes could have survived. Because your carriers are being shelled, they wouldn't be able to launch any aircraft, and seeing as how a shell or HE-AP railgun slug bursting nearby would probably destroy a plane trying to take off. That and railgun fire is highly accurate due to their easy to predict trajectories and low travel times (so gravity and wind won't act on them as much). Besides, the size of your carriers alone would guarantee a hit or several hits to their flight decks, which would render them useless. Hell, even fragments from an airbursting shell would render the decks useless because the layers of tarmac (even if polmyer based) on the flight deck would be penetrated. An armored flight deck would keep your ships from getting sunk by Kamikaze aircraft or by a light anti-shipping missile, but it would still render the deck useless and something as large as 20 in. railgun slug would definitely go right through the deck armor unless you want your ship to sink.

As for your airplanes, they wouldn't have been able to outmaneuver the missiles I launched, unless they're capable of pulling 50Gs each. As well, even a close detonation (within a kilometer) of a missile would fill your planes up with literally millions of fragments moving at mach 10.

The torpedos are not fooled by sonar decoys and can only be hardkilled via explosives or ASHUM guns.

Overall, you haven't taken enough losses. Your fleet shouldn't even exist anymore.

And no, I don't need an entire power plant to power such a railgun, (Whyatica, your Argentine class Galleons have railguns LARGER than the shore railguns i'm using and they're smaller to boot, correct your own hypocrisy before attacking my technology.)

Kahanistan:

Your can't launch B-52s from carrier decks, they simply don't have enough thrust to accelerate off the deck unless you want them to crash into the sea.

Tanatulm armor? From region of your ass did you pull THAT out of? Even if your actual missile batteries didn't get destroyed, any sensor systems they had would have gotten fried by the thermite that my missiles dispensed. And more of your civilians would have died, because there would be no hospitals left, after all, they're infrastructure and as such, would get targeted.

The MIGs and B-52s that you sent, you have yet to report losses on them.

And no, I don't need an entire power plant to power such a railgun, (Whyatica, your Argentine class Galleons have railguns LARGER than the shore railguns i'm using and they're smaller to boot, correct your own hypocrisy before attacking my technology.)



I wasn't claiming they shouldn't exist.

I was claiming that they should not have thousand mile ranges.

I do not claim that my Argentines have thousand mile range railguns, as that's ridiculous.

You can have the railguns on the Red Sea; I don't care. They blow up the same. I don't really mind that I'm not sure if you should actually HAVE all this land along the Red Sea for bases.

They do not have thousand mile ranges. Fix it.

Kahanistan: According to Google, the cost of pure tantalum is $100 a gram. This translates to millions of dollars necessary for every building you reinforce with it. Furthermore, it will not protect you from MP's naval gunfire; a HE-AP shell will tear into it easily as hell. You might as well have gone with tungsten carbide for all the good it'd have done; those composites are considerably cheaper and have similar physical characteristics.

The takeoff distance for a Boeing B-52 is simply too high for it to be launched off a carrier; as MP stated previously, they would fall into the ocean.

And as for using B-52s in an attack on a fleet in any case... expect every single one of them to be shot down before they make it on target. The BUFF is a slow, easily detected obsolete POS that really has no place trying to launch a bomb raid on a modern fleet. If it were launched ALCMs from a stand-off range, perhaps it'd be better, but they'd still be repulsed with an attrition rate of at least 80-90%, if not completely destroyed.

Lastly Velkya, your orbital railguns are bullshit. The low mass of a satellite would not be able to stand up to the recoil of a railgun and the slug would just burn up in the atmosphere.

Alright, I'd like to ask that you guys come to a compromise... cut down a bit on the tech and numbers to settle the issue you guys are having. Let's keep this RP on track please...

And once again, can someone give me an update more detailed then there's a buncha fighting going on between you guys in the Red Sea and Med Sea? So I can actually get involved again? Thanks a million!

Sorry ViZion that i didn't get round to posting anything yet - is it too late for me to join in??

Sorry ViZion that i didn't get round to posting anything yet - is it too late for me to join in??
It's not too late. But remember the nations I told you about Yallak, Doomingsland and MassPwnage? Members of the CAD alliance? They're going to be tough challenges....

It's not too late. But remember the nations I told you about Yallak, Doomingsland and MassPwnage? Members of the CAD alliance? They're going to be tough challenges....

I think i can survive - i have all my Torontian assests now free for the using.

SEA, can you give me a quick update on what has happened so far?

Alright, I'd like to ask that you guys come to a compromise... cut down a bit on the tech and numbers to settle the issue you guys are having. Let's keep this RP on track please...

And once again, can someone give me an update more detailed then there's a buncha fighting going on between you guys in the Red Sea and Med Sea? So I can actually get involved again? Thanks a million!
Well, if you wanna get involved so badly, respond to my post with the chemical weapons strike on the university.

Alright, I'd like to ask that you guys come to a compromise... cut down a bit on the tech and numbers to settle the issue you guys are having. Let's keep this RP on track please...

And once again, can someone give me an update more detailed then there's a buncha fighting going on between you guys in the Red Sea and Med Sea? So I can actually get involved again? Thanks a million!

I hate it when a good RP is ruined by people who arm their machine guns with exact facts and exact science instead of bullets.

Anyhow, MP, I plan on my fleet suffering heavy losses and retreating, not being obliterated by missile/railgun/torpedo spam. I'm trying to make this an exicting naval engagement, not a "I SPAMMED YOUR FLEET WITH MISSILES AND 1000 MILE RAILGUNS SO YOUR DEAD" battle. I don't mind if I lose, I just want to have a bit of fun doing it, ok?

At any rate, these "satellites" are larger orbital emplacements, not some little spy satellite. Also, wouldn't your rail slugs suffer the same fate as my own, seeing as you post them as going into LEO?

Anyhow, Kahanistan, you still haven't learned from the war with AMF that real life ship, aircraft, and vehicle types are bascially moot against NS grade gear. Look at the stats of a Tyrandisian Xeon compared to those of a F-14 or even a F-22, and you'll see my point.

Another thing, BUFF stands for Big Ugly Fat F**ker, not Big Ugly Flying Fortress (if thats what you said). Unless, of course, that was your intent. :D

the kettle is calling the pot black, this is rich I remember you wailing that some stuff of Admiral Kukonois wasn't a hundred percent realistic and because you had "perfect" defences, this will be an interesting read.

Well, the good Admiral tried to attack a carrier in the middle of a massive fleet with a mass of mobile suits and boarding helicopters, it's a bit different than missile spam.

Velkya:

I agree with you that it is a smart idea to scrap all your RL weaponry as soon as you get enough money to replace them with NS grade weaponry, but it's Kahanistan's choice at the end. I offered him The Macabees' Lu-45 Hawk, but he turned it down because of three reasons: first, MiG-35s are one of his favorite aircraft (or something along those lines), second, he favors quantity over quality (he doubts that an Lu-45 could beat half a squadron (US categorization IIRC, they put twelve plane for every squadron, IIRC) of MiG-35s, and lastly, he feels they are a bit expensive. Check his OOC thread to see what I wrote.

Also, I'd like you to know this: it isn't who has the most advanced technology (or in NS slang terms, outwank) that wins. It's tactics and detail. Automagfreek said that a bunch of farmers armed with Soviet-era rifles could beat a group of highly seasoned, soldiers with better equipment if they had better tactics and the writer could make it sound convincing enough.

Yallak:

Let's just say that the renegade President's armed forces and allies are being dogpiled by the Congressionalist supporters, and IIRC, earlier on, some rp'ers said that they really don't need more people to dogpile on.

But if you still wish to get involved, TG ViZion and ask for permission to join the rp...oh wait, you're allies with Kahanistan, never mind. So far the Pwnage and Doomingslandis are fairing off with their long-time foes, the Praetonians, the Sarzonians and the Questerians (actually Hogsweat in case you don't know), both sides with nationalistic passion for their nation and utter lust for spilling their foes' blood. As the Pwnage forces and Doomingslandi forces are well trained and well equipped like the Sarzonians and the Praetonians and the Questerians, so far, it seems to be a bit of a stalemate.

The Kahanistanian Navy has gained some experience thanks to Freekish destruction of the entire navy, and have a better chance at emerging victorious with Doomingsland, in hopes of showing they are still a force to be reckoned with, outnumber and outgun Doomingsland. The only trouble is, Doomingsland, while nowhere the likes of the Praetonians/Questerians/Sarzonians when it comes to the navy, have better equipment and better tactics than the DSRK. While they are highly challenging opposition Yallak, you still have a not-too-decent, not-too-bad chance of beating Doomingsland and MassPwnage at sea. But ascend to the skies and the lands...you're pretty much cannon-fodder. Look at Sarzonia in the Inkana Civil War, despite the fact that he is merely one hundred million less people than you Yallak, he got his head handed over on a silver platter to the Republican Inkanans who were backed by Doomingsland and Generic Empire (not sure if MassPwnage was involved in Hellfire).

Good luck....

Ok thanks. I'll TG ViZion anyway just to make sure before I get involved.

The chances of Yallak beating me on the water is.... slim.
The only person that I'm really afraid would win a naval victory against me is Sarzonia.

And Kahanistan, could you hold off on posting in the Red Sea theater? I've been a bit busy lately.

Anyhow, MP, I plan on my fleet suffering heavy losses and retreating, not being obliterated by missile/railgun/torpedo spam. I'm trying to make this an exicting naval engagement, not a "I SPAMMED YOUR FLEET WITH MISSILES AND 1000 MILE RAILGUNS SO YOUR DEAD" battle. I don't mind if I lose, I just want to have a bit of fun doing it, ok?

What the? Velkya, you want to "have fun" or whatever? You're making this RP unfun for the rest of the players, I'm sure those condemnations from Doomingsland, Sarzonia and Tyrandis mean absolutely nothing to you. You are clearly, clearly godmoding just so that you can have this RP go the way YOU want it to. Just because you dislike my tactics doesn't mean that you can refuse to take losses.

Yallak and Doom... you have TG's. Hope you're willing to accept...

Got it and replyed, check your TGs. It's a favorable response :)

Got it and replyed, check your TGs. It's a favorable response :)
Thanks :) that'll help out alot w/ the RP... replied w/ some info...

Look at Sarzonia in the Inkana Civil War, despite the fact that he is merely one hundred million less people than you Yallak, he got his head handed over on a silver platter to the Republican Inkanans who were backed by Doomingsland and Generic Empire (not sure if MassPwnage was involved in Hellfire).

Good luck....
Dude, read the RP before you refer to it, seriously.

In Sarz's own words (over MSN), I "did all the heavy lifting in that war". Inkana fought Isselemere and himself, mostly, I don't think he actualy fought Sarzonia at all that entire war.

Me, on the other hand. Every battle Sarz fought in was against me, pretty much, and I did kick his ass quite badly. Even the one battle I lost was because he outnumbered me more than ten to one and he had armored support. I used one infantry squad to kill off a rather large chunk of a mechanized company. And don't forget about my airforce slaughtering his on numerous occasions. Ah, good times.

Oh, another thing: IT WASN'T DURING HELLFIRE!!!!!!!

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but can you at least try to get your facts straight before you start refering to my past wars (from what I've seen, on a pretty frequent basis, with all the people TGing me telling me that you told them I'd help them or whatever, and numerous posts that are quite similar to the one you just made)

What the? Velkya, you want to "have fun" or whatever? You're making this RP unfun for the rest of the players, I'm sure those condemnations from Doomingsland, Sarzonia and Tyrandis mean absolutely nothing to you. You are clearly, clearly godmoding just so that you can have this RP go the way YOU want it to. Just because you dislike my tactics doesn't mean that you can refuse to take losses.

Seriously Velkya, trying to "have fun" by doing things that don't fit in with the RP is no way to endear yourself to players who are trying their damnest to write a great story. That's the sort of behaviour that leads to ignores and ridicule from players. Have you heard the stories about the war between me and two of my allies (namely Praetonia and Artitsa) against Roach-Busters, Generic Empire, and The Parthians)? That war was ruined by that sort of behaviour, namely, people breaking the closed RP rules to suit their whims. You are treading very close to having players ignore you.

If you didn't want to face missile spam or torpedo spam, you should have contacted Mass Pwnage about that and worked that out. You'd be surprised what sort of misunderstandings can be avoided with communication.

As a corollary to SEA's recap, a Tyrandis Precision Machine Import/Export Corporation U-2R spy plane was shot down by a TSF-620A Xeon, painted in Velkyan colors. Pending evidence from MassPwnage's autopsies and Doomingslandi RADAR records, the Imperium will enter the war, and present damning claims that Congressional forces are committing atrocities against pro-Villain noncombatants. Of course, this is all a huge fabrication, set up by TPMI/EC.

MassPwnage, you can consider my naval missile strike to have never happened, I'm sick of the bickering in this thread, and I'd prefer to be out of it.

Doom: My last post - Five EMP bombs targeted on each of four targets, for a total of twenty EMP bombs, plus 60 ICBM's without warheads to act as decoys for whatever anti-ICBM defenses you have. The four targets are the fleet off the Kahanistan coast, the fleet off the ViZion coast, the blockade fleet at Gibraltar, and the capital, Doomanum Nova I think it's called. Hope that clears things up for you.

Doom: My last post - Five EMP bombs targeted on each of four targets, for a total of twenty EMP bombs, plus 60 ICBM's without warheads to act as decoys for whatever anti-ICBM defenses you have. The four targets are the fleet off the Kahanistan coast, the fleet off the ViZion coast, the blockade fleet at Gibraltar, and the capital, Doomanum Nova I think it's called. Hope that clears things up for you.
Ahhh, that clears things up, I kidna got confused. The ICBM launch would have occured after the air battle, tho, I think, so I'll post damage from that after we top that off. Doomanum Nova is my colony in Hoggy's colony region, my capital is Doom City, for the record.

Doom, hope you got the info you need. Now all we need is part II: Yallak to be willing to do the other side during the week.

Like I said, weekends I can do it, but weekdays not.

Velkya, are you willing to compromise for the sake of the RP? I hope so. I've had to do that at times when others have called me out for godmod or other issues, and I hope you'll do the same, even if you feel you are not. So what do ya say? Compromise for the sake of the RP?

Dude, read the RP before you refer to it, seriously.

In Sarz's own words (over MSN), I "did all the heavy lifting in that war". Inkana fought Isselemere and himself, mostly, I don't think he actualy fought Sarzonia at all that entire war.

Me, on the other hand. Every battle Sarz fought in was against me, pretty much, and I did kick his ass quite badly. Even the one battle I lost was because he outnumbered me more than ten to one and he had armored support. I used one infantry squad to kill off a rather large chunk of a mechanized company. And don't forget about my airforce slaughtering his on numerous occasions. Ah, good times.

Oh, another thing: IT WASN'T DURING HELLFIRE!!!!!!!

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but can you at least try to get your facts straight before you start refering to my past wars (from what I've seen, on a pretty frequent basis, with all the people TGing me telling me that you told them I'd help them or whatever, and numerous posts that are quite similar to the one you just made)
Oh. Sorry for getting my facts incorrect. And those people misinterpreted me. VL and his friends thought that I had TGed one of the CAD members, when I meant that I was considering to TG you and your involvement would make the rp more interesting.

Ok, since both Yallak and Doom have agreed...

During the week, since I dont get to RP much thx to school for the time being, Doom will also be RPing ViZion's Presidential Forces, while Yallak will be RPing ViZion's Congressional Forces... during the weekend, however, I will be able to take over... I suspect Doom will be doing some reading to catch up, Yallak already said he's tryin to catch up before he posts...

Thanks guys! That'll help this RP out alot... in the next couple weeks, hopefully I'll be able to RP during the week more once I get all adjusted to my new classes...

ViZion, mind if my government states official neutrality?

ViZion, mind if my government states official neutrality?
Thats fine... everyone is free to back or not back any side of the conflict... hell, for all I care, all the nations involved in the fighting to switch sides...

Thanks ViZion, now can you please add the list of nations supporting which factions on the first post of the thread?

We all know that the main disadvantage of NS is fuzzy geography. So here is a question that is now quite relevant as ViZion’s Presidential forces are actively trying to stop refugees from fleeing the country.

Does Amestria share a western border with ViZion? And if Amestria is not on ViZion's western border, then which natioln is?

Amestria, how does your nation look like on the map? You said your language was based off French and German, so I assume that Amestria on the political map is a conglomeration of France and Germany?

Kahanistan, can you please reread my post where I bombarded you. I didn't use ONLY gas shells; in fact, that was only a small portion of what I threw at you. I mostly used explosive, but threw gas in there to make sure anyone who's NBC gear had been comprimised by shrapnel or whatever got a healthy dosage of gas.

With ViZion's permission, I'm following Whyatica's example and pulling out of this RP, I have business with the second Kraven war and my impending transfer to Future Tech, and I have lost what little interest I have had in this. Any engagements between Velkyan and hostile forces and communications between Velkyan forces and allied forces are assumed to have never occured.

Thank you.

With ViZion's permission, I'm following Whyatica's example and pulling out of this RP, I have business with the second Kraven war and my impending transfer to Future Tech, and I have lost what little interest I have had in this. Any engagements between Velkyan and hostile forces and communications between Velkyan forces and allied forces are assumed to have never occured.


You can't really do that, as much of the RP has adjusted to Velkya's involvement... I suggest you negotiate OOC an IC Velkyan withdrawal. That way the RP can maintain continuity without extensive rewriting... It is rather bad form to come in, change the dynamic, alter the story, then step back when one is tired of it and say "never happened."

For example, if Amestria because of an OOC dispute had said Torontia "never happened" it would have ruined the entire RP because everything would have thus become meaningless (every post in some way was a reaction to Amestrian involvement). One cannot just retrocon RP's one has been heavily involved in because one becomes tired of one involvement.

The same would be true of the Going Home thread if you decided you were tired of it and just up and retoconed it... 50% of the RP (20+ pages) would have continuity issues and have to be ignored/rewritten...

Is Yallak still RPing? He hasnt posted for ages and he hasnt even logged in for the past 2 days.

Is Yallak still RPing? He hasnt posted for ages and he hasnt even logged in for the past 2 days.

He comes and goes (RL issues I believe)...

Kahanistan, I don't RP with nukes, could you retcon the nuclear load detonation in the Suez?

OK, a conventional explosive would suffice for these purposes... I'm only trying to keep the wrecks there as long as I can, not kill the world.

Kahanistan, can you please reread my post where I bombarded you. I didn't use ONLY gas shells; in fact, that was only a small portion of what I threw at you. I mostly used explosive, but threw gas in there to make sure anyone who's NBC gear had been comprimised by shrapnel or whatever got a healthy dosage of gas.
Not sure if you saw this...

Is Yallak still RPing? He hasnt posted for ages and he hasnt even logged in for the past 2 days.

Yeah sorry about that. As I haven't had much time this week to get into the forums just TG me a link to anything that requires my attention that i may have missed.

Edit: In regards to your last post i'm just waiting on a tg from ViZion before i can make a reply.

Saw it. Read it. Reread your post. Edited mine so the distress call referred to "gas shells and other munitions." By the way, you wouldn't still happen to be at war with Otagia, would you?

Saw it. Read it. Reread your post. Edited mine so the distress call referred to "gas shells and other munitions." By the way, you wouldn't still happen to be at war with Otagia, would you?
That RP kinda...died...

EDIT:And can you please post your losses from the shelling? I'm not quite sure the base would be capable of withstanding such a bombardment.

And can you please post your losses from the shelling? I'm not quite sure the base would be capable of withstanding such a bombardment.

I would have thought the forces on the lower levels of the base would be safer, but it would be unreasonable to take NO losses. Post edited.

Responded to that (last post of the previous page (in the war thread))

Yeah sorry about that. As I haven't had much time this week to get into the forums just TG me a link to anything that requires my attention that i may have missed.

Edit: In regards to your last post i'm just waiting on a tg from ViZion before i can make a reply.
Ah no problem then. It's a shame ViZion cant be more active... he did start the RP afterall...

ooc: Kahanistan, Doomingsland did not attack your cities, just reiterating what he said.

Clearly godmoding (determining someone elses losses).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10287759&postcount=201


Kahanistan: TG

Plus, if you guys keep it up with the PMT, I might have to break out some ubertech too, and then this will degenerate into a massive example of techwank that you cannot hope to win. I've stayed MT so far, and quite frankly I'm sick of railguns and warplanes that are grossly overpowered for MT, and you guys losing hardly any ships while I'm losing half my fleet.

Also, I need to know your current strengths.

Kahanistan - ViZion Front

Original Strength: 200 capital ships, 400 transports, 400,000 ground troops.

Losses: Almost all capships sunk, the few not sunk are beached. Same goes for the transports. Roughly 300,000 troops are floating in the sea awaiting rescue from allied naval powers.

Current strength: 0 capital ships, 40,000 ground troops, about 100 MiG-35's, 30 B-52's.

Kahanistan - Home Front

Original Strength: The rest of the Kahanistan fleet. About 1,000 warships and 3,600 transports. However, only 300 warships actually engaged in the battle due to space constraints, the others mostly lined up neatly inside the naval base, where they made easy pickings for enemy fire.

Losses: All warships, including reserve fleets, destroyed or sunk. However, some are beached and contribute to the barrier an invader would have to penetrate. Roughly half of the coastal artillery is disabled.

Current strength: About 7 million full-time soldiers, about 40 million reservists, 600 MiG-35's remain on the ground. Over 50 heavy gun emplacements of the coastal defense system survive.

Kahanistan is right. Mass/Doom, you need to state your combined total losses so far and your future losses from now on... Reading ones post one has little idea how much damage the Kahanistan fleets and coastal defenses have done.

Mass/Doom, what have been your losses?

(bump)

I'm still waiting for Hogsweat to respond to my attack... does anyone know if he's still moving house? He hasn't been very active lately.

Also, Kahanistan... railguns are PMT? I put them as MT in my rather loose definition (i.e. everything that could be built today or in the near future, but hasn't been quite yet) ... same goes for Mach 3+ warplanes, Super Dreadnaughts, pebblebed nuclear reactors, ortillery, actually just about everything I have except for the Shadowers, which are the only real example of unmistakable PMT I have. (Even they are feasible right now, but not on such a large scale.)

I'm still waiting for Hogsweat to respond to my attack... does anyone know if he's still moving house? He hasn't been very active lately.

Also, Kahanistan... railguns are PMT? I put them as MT in my rather loose definition (i.e. everything that could be built today or in the near future, but hasn't been quite yet) ... same goes for Mach 3+ warplanes, Super Dreadnaughts, pebblebed nuclear reactors, ortillery, actually just about everything I have except for the Shadowers, which are the only real example of unmistakable PMT I have. (Even they are feasible right now, but not on such a large scale.)

I agree. Railguns can be considered MT - the only thing stopping them from being used effectively now is the fact that they massively large power supplies and some other minor issues which i won't go into. As it is the US navy should have them in service somewhere between 2007 - 2011.

ooc: Ok losses. I'm generally quite strapped for time so my posts aren't going to be good anyway.

8th Fleet:

Heavily damaged, over 44 destroyers, 39 submarines, 50 frigates, 4 arsenal ships, 8 cruisers, 5 battleships sunk, 3 of the carriers mission killed. Great deal of the ships heavily damaged, some of them, including one of the SDs taking on water, aircraft losses are minor, perhaps 30 aircraft lost, with only a few frames totally written off.

2nd Fleet Group: Damaged rather lightly, 22 destroyers, 19 frigates, 3 cruisers, 1 arsenal ship, 1 battleship, sunk by enemy fire, not many of the ships are very heavily damaged, 79 fighters, 112 UCAVs and 50 bombers lost, supply lines are rock solid.

1 RRA: 39 bombers and 15 fighters lost to Kahanistani AA fire, 22 ground attack UCAVs lost to Kahanistani AA fire.

4th Marine Army: None as of yet.

ooc: Retconned last post. My apologies.

Mach 3 planes exist IRL. There are no theoretical or practical problems with pebblebeds, the world atm is just irrationally afraid of nuclear reactors. Ortillery exists IRL, albeit with nuclear weapons rather than tungsten rods (which are in fact harder to make. Railguns on the otherhand have serious practical problems, ie. the rails fuse together after a few shots.

PS. Yallak can you post linking up the Congressional forces with my men?

It is evident to all thinking men that the people of ViZion overwhelmingly support Mr. Villain, and yet you insist on claiming him a psychotic dictator.
Wowa, wait? How did that happen?

I know at the begining they were almost completely for the Congressional Forces... what happened?

Sorry I haven't been able to RP, thus others have had to fill in for me... College is tryin to kick my ass w/ all these marketing papers and projects as well as presentations and what not... ugg.

Wowa, wait? How did that happen?

I know at the begining they were almost completely for the Congressional Forces... what happened?


Nothing happened, Tyrandis has got the wrong impression or is using propoganda.

Nothing happened, Tyrandis has got the wrong impression.

No, it's all propaganda for my nefarious purposes. I set up the whole incident w/ genocide of civilians as well.

No, it's all propaganda for my nefarious purposes. I set up the whole incident w/ genocide of civilians as well.

I know... At first I thought the remark ViZion was quoting was made on the OOC thread...

Ahh, k, gotchya... I haven't had time to be keeping up and I saw that and went "WTF??" lol Alright, thx for clearin that up... :p

MassPwnage: I'll respond to the paratroopers when they actually attack something or run into a roving ground patrol.

Ok here are the convoys if you guys are still interested

Entry to Kaha: 400 supply trucks, 80 transports.

Post MP's bombing: 100 supply trucks, no transports left

also I am planning to send about 200 F/22 air superiority and anti naval bomber fighters. They are modified with the laser that the americans have been developing, so if you got a bone to pick with the lasers should I use them this will be my justification and napalm bombs with the ability to detonate midair if needed. Also I am sending a fleet of 4 super destroyers and submarines. They are self explanitory with Super destroyers being able to take out aircraft or submarines an navy of about 40 ships of their caliber can handle and you get the idea for submarines purpose in war(a rough estimate mind you I like my machines simple to understand). And MP sorry about the godmode. Just caculate the missiles I fired if you still want to respond

MassPwnage: I'll respond to the paratroopers when they actually attack something or run into a roving ground patrol.

Psst. You might have missed that diplomatic message condemning the whole human rights thing:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10293411&postcount=214

Kahanistan, I'm shelling the troops in your base with artillery and bombing them as well.

PS. Yallak can you post linking up the Congressional forces with my men?

Sorry about the delay..been at work *grumble grumble stupid stocktake* and have been trying to find out from ViZion what congressional forces are actually near the city: so i will write up a post when i get up tomorrow.

I posted my losses in the IC post, so I don't think I need to repost them here...

Just wondering though, what is/was Questers' total fleet strength?

Yallak, TG (not related to this subject).

Sorry about the delay..been at work *grumble grumble stupid stocktake* and have been trying to find out from ViZion what congressional forces are actually near the city: so i will write up a post when i get up tomorrow.
I realise it's not your fault, but if he doesnt tell you by tomorrow can you just make it up? It's really holding up the RP.

Gyrobot, still ignored. You utterly failed to post transit of your forces.

I realise it's not your fault, but if he doesnt tell you by tomorrow can you just make it up? It's really holding up the RP.
I sent ya a TG Yallak... roughly 10 million infanty are within a day of the city, at least before college stepped in and you guys took over.

Kahan... TG for ya...

Credonia: I just tried to get ahold of you on AIM, didn't get much of a response. TG me with whatever you wanted to ask me.

Could everyone who's willing to, post your MSN's and AIM's?

Mine...
AIM: PunkAssKidThe1st
MSN: Hiro55cool@www.com

Mine's in my profile, but what the hell.

AIM: False God Apophis

MSN: caracas_gottunterwelt@hotmail.com

Yallak, out of curiousity (and sorry to everyone else for taking this off-topic,) are you German or of German descent?

kinda.. i was born in Australia (and my mum's australian) but my dad was Prussian (or half Prussian or something like that). So yeah im part German

I don't have AIM or MSN... will that be a big problem?

In short Banduria: Yes, it will be a problem. Just download them, after all, they're free.

MSN: yixinli88@hotmail.com
AIM: SoyaBorealis

MSN: Matt.labunda@gmail.com

Not a major problem, but it makes things much easier, which is why I'm asking... ;)
http://www.aim.com and http://messenger.msn.com

They're both free and easy... and no ad/spyware attached! :D

MSN: jagnese@sbcglobal.net

Kahanistan, I hate to say it, but your last post (regarding me) was bullshitted to the twentieth power,

I let it go when you said some of the men escaped the bunker when I hit it with the thermobaric rounds, tried to be reasonable. But 35,000? THAT is a godmod, my friend. There is no way in hell you'd be able to evacuate anywhere NEAR that many men in under five minutes! Then they all somehow survive being shelled as they're exiting the bunker after I literally covered the ENITRE BASE in cluster munitions! There is no way in hell they'd be able to escape that base without being mostly annihilated, not with a constant bombardment going on, not to mention they'd all be bunched together at first.

Look at it this way: at least you won't have to worry about surrendering troops in Italy for the peace treaty.

As for that airforce thing of your's, please answer me this: if Praetonia's fighters, vastly more advanced than your MiGs in all aspects, are incapable of detecting my fighters with all their sensor systems, HOW THE HELL CAN YOUR MIGs SEE THEM?

Consider the 35,000 troops a goof in intelligence. There are about 4,000 survivors, out of an original landing strength of 70,000.

Consider the 35,000 troops a goof in intelligence. There are about 4,000 survivors, out of an original landing strength of 70,000.
Alright, I can accept that. I added you to MSN and AIM, btw. And can you answer my question about the fighters? (I'm not asking you to change your losses or anything, I just wanna avoid mix ups in the future)

To be frank, anything that far ahead of the MiG-35 (one of the newest and most advanced fighter planes in the world) would have to be PMT, and anything capable of eluding such a plane's radar would have to either be very slow (think F-117 Nighthawks) or deep PMT, if not outright FT. We're supposedly RPing modern tech.

To be frank, anything that far ahead of the MiG-35 (one of the newest and most advanced fighter planes in the world) would have to be PMT, and anything capable of eluding such a plane's radar would have to either be very slow (think F-117 Nighthawks) or deep PMT, if not outright FT. We're supposedly RPing modern tech.

The F-117's technology is something like thirty years old. While yes, the MiG is relatively new by RL standards, it was cancelled in 1997. Not only that, the RADAR set is terrible; according to my sources, it's only able to detect something with an RCS of 5 sq. meters at around 100 kilometers, and lock-on at 85. For reference, the RL Raptor has an RCS around 0.025 sq. meters. And the technologies Doom and I use make our fighters are far, FAR stealthier then anything the USAF has...

I'm assuming this is all still open. For reference, i am located somewhere near the Mid Atlantic ridge. After a few updates, i will be able to post the latest map of the country, and show you the location of bases and ports etc.

I should be able to get on most days, especially once exams are over and I can go back to my usual lazy student life.

Welcome back McLeod! Ya, it's still open... feel free to jump on in. :)

I'm assuming this is all still open. For reference, i am located somewhere near the Mid Atlantic ridge. After a few updates, i will be able to post the latest map of the country, and show you the location of bases and ports etc.

I should be able to get on most days, especially once exams are over and I can go back to my usual lazy student life.
Wow, what an ironic turn of events. You're actualy on my side for once!

Wow, what an ironic turn of events. You're actualy on my side for once!

Hmm. There's plenty of time for some blue-on-blue yet mate, have no fear......

Jarridia, the Suez Canal was destroyed in fighting between MP and Kahanistan.

Jarridia, the Suez Canal was destroyed in fighting between MP and Kahanistan.
He won't be happy... lol

And Doom, do you know what page the attack on the college is on? I'll go ahead and reply to that now...

Oh, and can we get a recount on the support to each side?

I know this for a fact:

Congressional Forces:
CF of ViZion
Jarridia
Credonia
Kahanistan
Questers
Soviet Bloc
Yallak
Xirnium
Sarzonia
Praetonia
And I'm sure I'm missing some... sorry! Please say so if you're missing and from what list!

Presidential Forces:
PF of ViZion
Doom
MP
McLeod
Tyrandis
Banduria
And once again, I'm pretty sure I'm missing some... sorry! Please say so if you're missing from here!

Neutral:
Southeast Asia
Amestria
And once again, I'm pretty sure I'm missing some... sorry! Please say so if you're missing from here!

If any of that is incorrect or I'm missing anyone... please let me know... once I have the final product... I'll be posting it at the begining of the thread...

I think MP's cleared most of the wrecks I sunk in there by now.

Also, would a Kahanistanian soldier on the ground in ViZion be able to see the Doomingslandian ELINT monitoring the area / shoot it with a shoulder-fired anti-aircraft weapon?

Yallak and Xirnium are still in....with the Congressionalists Add in Sarzonia and Praetonia for the ViZionarian Congress as well. Stick me as a neutral (officially).

Alright, anyone else?

Damn, this is a bad night... please see my sig...

Yargh.

My prayers go out to him, hope he's okay.

*sigh*

Not again. Please change my name ViZion to Southeast Asia....don't want to explain the reasons why right now.

EDIT: While I haven't met Jarridia IRL, nor have have I rped with him, I wish that it is not a brain tumor and if it is, it isn't lethal and he can recover swiftly...

I'll pass on the word to him for you two wishing him good luck. I know he'll appreciate it more then words can say...

They're gonna be doin more tests to find out for sure if its that or not, and if it is, if it's cancer or not, and how far along... hopefully it's caught soon enough so they can possibly remove it (it's at the top of his spine at the back bottom of his brain apparently... well, so his GF told me...) or do something to get rid of it...

Southeast Asia... sorry about that... shoulda known better, it happens to me with "imported_ViZion" lol

Put Amestria down as Neutral.

Kahanistan... plz post link to a map of your country if you have any and I'll put it on first page in here since you've become a major hotspot in this war... thanks! :)

ViZ, i probably should have checked before, but you don't use cable TV do you? In your nation that is. If so, i've just wiped out some poor civilians expensive weather satellite.

ViZ, i probably should have checked before, but you don't use cable TV do you? In your nation that is. If so, i've just wiped out some poor civilians expensive weather satellite.
Just like in America, people have cable, satelite, etc...

Edit:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4946/map7neo1dx.jpg

Map of Kahanistan.

Black dots - Water treatment / desalination facilities.
Bright red dots - Cities.
Red lines - Highways.
Blue dots - Naval bases.
Dark red dots - Imperial Marine bases.
Green dots - Republic Guard ground forces' bases.
Light blue dots - Air Force (part of the Kahanistan Republic Guard) bases.

The sea to the northwest is the Med, the sea at the northern end of the eastern canal is the Dead Sea.

I know the map is a little complicated, but it should be enough to help move troops around in Kahanistan.

OCC:

Vizion is next door to the Dr_Twist empires. As such the Bulgarian and Austrian Parliaments have given permission to other nations to begin Stationing and launch of strikes into Vizion territories from Dr_Twist lands in Europe.

Lands in Europe control by Dr_Twist.

Bulgarian Empire.

Bulgaria
Croatia
Bosnia
Serbia
Albania
Greece
Macedonia
Romania
Moldova

Austrian Empire.

Austria
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Hungary
Slovenia

Dr_Twist.

Dr_Twist, this is the OOC discussion thread. The IC thread is right here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880). Transfer your leader's statement there.

Dr_Twist, this is the OOC discussion thread. The IC thread is right here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880). Transfer your leader's statement there.

sorry i couldn't find the IC thread :P

Yay, i get to bomb Twist. Get in.

*Pets FAE gently, smiling like a lunatic*

Yay, i get to bomb Twist. Get in.

*Pets FAE gently, smiling like a lunatic*

We'll see :P

Damn, can you say NWO rendezvous? lol

WB DT!

You NWO pansies.

Hang on a minute, so was I.....

Die NWO scum.

hahahaha

You NWO pansies.

Hang on a minute, so was I.....

Die NWO scum.

Come on NWO did a lot of good in its time, would be nice to see its return.

So I assume you're awaiting your execution, Mr. McLeod? After all, if you were in NWO, you too would be what you call 'NWO scum' ;) lol

So I assume you're awaiting your execution, Mr. McLeod? After all, if you were in NWO, you too would be what you call 'NWO scum' ;) lol

Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no...

See, everyone except me, obviously. And for that, i might slip and blow something up in your country.

Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no...

See, everyone except me, obviously. And for that, i might slip and blow something up in your country.
Now now, you know the rules... no bringing OOC problems IC... ;) lol

And you sounded like my cousin there in your last post... scary.

Now now, you know the rules... no bringing OOC problems IC... ;) lol

And you sounded like my cousin there in your last post... scary.

Damn you and your rules.

Still, blowing things up is fun....

Ooh, desalination plants.....

Damn you and your rules.

Still, blowing things up is fun....

Ooh, desalination plants.....
hehehe...

well, I'm off to bed... looks lke I might be able to fall asleep on a decent note and sleep off this horrid day... I fell, I need a new car (shop confirmed what I suspected: almost dead tranny), my computer keeps gettin worse, and Jarridia, my best NS friend and a RL friend as well (met him while he was up here in Seattle for a day..)

Morning all!

Well, today started off well.. both of my wrists feel like they're broken from my fall last night... and now our furnace (sp) is broken!

So...
broken tranny (need new car)
Jarridia's in the hospital
I fell last night
My wrists feel like they're broken
Our furnace is broken
And... damn, I'm missing somethin... to much to list has happened over the past 16 or so hours... wonderful, just wonderful!

Ugg...

On the upnote... I heard Jarridia is doing ok. :D

GREAT NEWS!

I got an update... they don't think it is a brain tumor after all! They're doin more tests and what not, and he's still in the hospital, but as of right now, they don't think it is!

Kahanistan, could you reply to posts
#231 and #236?

I already responded to 231, in 232.

As for 236... I don't generally respond to one-line messages.

Just talked to Jarridia's ex-girl friend... he entered a minor coma for a few hours today after the last update this morning... he's now apparently OUT (*scratches head*) of the coma, but doesn't remember a thing...?

I donno... I'm gonna try and get a hold of his parents and find out the straight facts... I'll keep everyone updated! Please give him a prayer if you pray!

You might as well take me out of the list for the RP. After the problems earlier in the thread, I lost interest in it.

Update on Jarridia!

I've talked to his parents and Jarridia himself on the phone a little bit ago.. he's at home, HE'S FINE!!!! No coma... no amnesia... that was all incorrect information passed on by his ex (upset at him maybe??)... Anyway, he's just fine.. he was in the hospital for a day or so to be checked up on because of some neck pains and what nt, but he's FINE!!! :D :D :D :D

ooc: Yallak, where are you coming from Earthwise?

And ViZion, on General Earths, I own the Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, the Seychelles, and the Comoros Islands in Africa

In the Indian Ocean I own, Chagos and theAndaman and Nicobar Islands.

In Asia, I own Malaysia, Sinagpore, Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Taiwan, the Spratlys and Brunei.

No wonder I'm getting clobbered, you own half the world and I have a patch of overpopulated semi-barren desert.

Oh well... after this war I'm upgrading my Air Force again... and digging up info on naval tactics. I've been meaning to do that for quite a while.

Kahanistan, what about the Marines on the beach?

(The paras at Al-Qamar are seperate from the paras at the beach, which are Marine Paras)

Oh yea, Kahanistan, I would like to note that I have air coverage over your ENTIRE nation, so if you attempted to clean up your water or rebuild your naval bases, my planes would attack you.

I claim Canada, Australia, South Africa, Falklands, Kuwait, Palestine, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Gibraltar and some Carribean places. These are not confirmed by anyone in any Earth thread, it's just how I RP, so be I'll giving precedence to MP on the territories that we both share claims to.

You still haven't taken notice of my response to your offer of peace. To be honest, I'd like to get out and rebuild my navy, but ICly I'm not about to surrender to someone that bombed civilians and risk losing the respect of my allies, so I'll stay on until I can find a good IC reason to get out and free up millions of enemy troops to go fight in ViZion.

(And no, the deaths of millions of people aren't a reason! In fact, that's a reason to fight on, a la the Battle of Britain.)

How about the fact that I really used only token amounts of force to absoultely spit roast your ass?

Look, in all seriousness Kahanistan, if you don't surrender, I WILL remove your sovereignity. This is a promise, and I think ICly, your leaders know it. Besides, your population is basically dying of thirst, because you probably can't repair all your water supplies in time to distribute it to everyone, your population is also starving because food shipments are being blocked, and soon enough, major epidemics of various diseases are going to break out because your medical and public works infrastructure has utterly collapsed. The most serious of these diseases, which will probably be Cholera, would be near impossible to treat without uncontaminated water sources, so millions up millions of people are going to die unless you start fixing the water supplies, and you really can't do so with my planes loitering about, occasionally firing JDAMs at groups larger than six.

So yea, just think about that while you keep up your refusal to surrender.

ooc; Kahanistan, I thought I already landed on the beaches.... and that I had you encircled.

You mean, like an occupation? That might be an interesting story arc, if Yallak's godmoded fleet doesn't show up to spoil your fun. 600 ships... I seem to remember being called out by my allies for using 500.

Anyway, I pretty much wing it, I have no specific plans for my nation as of now...

You mean, like an occupation? That might be an interesting story arc, if Yallak's godmoded fleet doesn't show up to spoil your fun. 600 ships... I seem to remember being called out by my allies for using 500.

I would have sent all 1400 but you told me to keep the numbers down.

Anyway hold on im coming - and if others keep there word then i won't be alone (and i may get Xirnium to send his fleet in with me - hes always good in a fight)

lol, you just bumped into the fleet i was going to use to invade Questarian South Africa...

Oh well. Life's a bitch, ain't it?

Btw, Kahanistan, what are your total number of civilians and soldiers killed/wounded so far?

Nearly 1 million soldiers, 50 - 60 million civilians out of a population of nearly 1.4 billion. (total casualties)

About 600,000 military and 20 million civilians actually dead, the balance is wounded, sick, disabled, etc.

Guys, I think we ought to organize our deployments or something because this thing is confusing as all hell right now.

Right now, I have twenty five individual hunter-killer fighter groups spread out around Southern Italy, along with dedicated airborne RADAR elements and tanker support. These assets are around 100 kilometers due south from ViZion City, and have been ordered to intercept and destroy every plane affiliated with the Congressional side. Each hunter-killer unit is comprised of four TSF-620A (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454946) Xeon air superiority fighters, and a single TEF-622 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465764) Sparrow electronic warfare derivative. There are also four TE-10 AEW planes (converted A380 airframe), and six SKC-3 aerial refueling platforms (again, converted A380s) to support this force.

So this makes my deployment -

100x TSF-620A fighter aircraft
25x TEF-622 jammer aircraft
4x TE-10 AWACS aircraft
6x SKC-3 tanker aircraft

An air assault division is also going to be ferried to the area later.

I hear that the PF is winning right now, huh?

lol, you just bumped into the fleet i was going to use to invade Questarian South Africa...

Oh well. Life's a bitch, ain't it?

Btw, Kahanistan, what are your total number of civilians and soldiers killed/wounded so far?

You what?

I'm fighting a wee bit dirtier than normal, besides, I figured that I could use my enormous naval assets to great effect by hitting you where you aren't, not where you are.

I have a battlegroup at Cape Town >.> South Africa is one of my best defended colonies <.<

Ok, I need to clear some stuff up: I have been away for ages because I had flu, which was terrible earlier this week and is now better enough for me to have the energy to type up long posts again, so I'll reply to the thread later today. Apologies to people I was RPing with who have had the RP put on hold for ages, notably Doom but also to MP and Yallak. I hope it wont happen again.

ooc: prae, don't post any more in ViZion today, I can't post today, and I want to reply to what you posted, but later.

Ok, I need to clear some stuff up: I have been away for ages because I had flu, which was terrible earlier this week and is now better enough for me to have the energy to type up long posts again, so I'll reply to the thread later today. Apologies to people I was RPing with who have had the RP put on hold for ages, notably Doom but also to MP and Yallak. I hope it wont happen again.

No worries. Hope your feeling better.

When you get the chance though i made a post about Congress linking up with your soldiers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10299845&postcount=230) that requires your reply.

Sorry if anything i typed about your forces is wrong/doesn't make sense - it was the best way to do it: its suppost to be one of your rooks.

I've replied to it in my second from last post.

Guys, I think we ought to organize our deployments or something because this thing is confusing as all hell right now.
All right. I have one task force attacking Hoggy at Gibraltar and another one on the way to intercept him outside of Questaria's mainland. The TF at Gibraltar is about 760 strong now, while the reinforcements are 588 or so. I also have 120,000 troops, 4,500 tanks, 4,000+ aircrafts, and about 1 million Fanatics or so (I might airdrop them into Kahanistan or someplace if they won't do any good in ViZion. XD)

Banduria, Gibraltar is neutral, you might want to retcon the attack on it.

Though I'm a neutral party, I think everyone's land claims is gonna effect me....Singapore's my nation's capital dammit!

Though I'm a neutral party, I think everyone's land claims is gonna effect me....Singapore's my nation's capital dammit!

This is the NS Earth, there is always the possibility that there is more then one Singapore...

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me Amestria. Never mind....

Just as assuredly that the American Continent is in NS earth propably of a greater geographical mass than the entirety of RL earth.

Hmm, how's the war goin? What's the update?

And haha, ya, it's NS Earth... and honestly, I don't even accept "Earth II" and so forth for MT and PMT... in my mind, everyone's all on NS Earth.

Tag

Just as long as any pro-Congressional or pro-Presidential forces get into my waters, I'll be maintaining neutrality.

Kahanistan, see previous ooc comment about nuclear weapons.

-tagged-

Kahanistan, see previous ooc comment about nuclear weapons.

At this point, I really don't care. I'm on the defensive here, barely able to replace fallen troops as fast as they're killed, my air defenses are shit (they weren't great before the war, just your standard SAM bases), I have little chance of getting the enemy out of my territory at this point, and I have no IC reason NOT to use nuclear devices as a survival measure. (The political climate in Kahanistan won't allow surrender.)

Besides, I haven't used them yet, they'll detonate if you breach the final defense line around the capital (wiping out anything chasing the defenders), so we have a little ways to go before you even get nuked, or more accurately, since this is my turf, before I get nuked. We can talk about this then.

Kahanistan, if a RP has rules prohibiting nuclear weapons, you DON'T use nuclear weapons. Period. Trying to force their use against a player who explicity forbids them is a good way to get you ignored.

MP, please answer my question from AIM about your homeland. If you want a war against me, we're going to have to discuss some ground rules first.

Does the ViZion RP actually have rules prohibiting nukes? WMD's (chemical weapons and fire bombs) have been used already without complaint...

Also, the invasion of Kahanistan by Mass. could be considered separate from the ViZion conflict...

(Amestria is neutral so it really does not affect me.)

Does the ViZion RP actually have rules prohibiting nukes? WMD's (chemical weapons and fire bombs) have been used already without complaint...
Firebombs aren't WMDs...

Firebombs aren't WMDs...

That is your opinion, but it has been proven that strategically dropping firebombs around a city could kill as many people (perhaps more) as a direct hit by a nuclear weapon… Also, by fire bombs I include napalm (also a chemical weapon)… If it is a weapon and causes Mass Destruction, then it can be defined as a WMD…

(One could argue that the term WMD is too general to the point of meaninglessness.)

That is your opinion, but it has been proven that strategically dropping firebombs around a city could kill as many people (perhaps more) as a direct hit by a nuclear weapon… Also, by fire bombs I include napalm (also a chemical weapon)… If it is a weapon and causes Mass Destruction, then it can be defined as a WMD…

(One could argue that the term WMD is too general to the point of meaninglessness.)
History has also proven that strategically dropping conventional bombs around a city can kill as many as a direct hit from a nuclear weapon...And generally, air or artillery launched ordnance tend to cause mass destruction, so one could argue that a 2000lb JDAM is a WMD...meh.

I don't think the point of this thread is to argue the semantics of weapons of mass destruction. The point is that using nuclear weapons is especially touchy for RPers in a way that other WsMD aren't.

Keep in mind Kahanistan is not launching them at Mass's home nation or any of his holdings. He is proposing he use them on HIS own nation's territory as a weapon of last resort to stop the Mass advance...

The problem is, if MP doesn't agree to the use of nukes, he can't do it or he risks an ignore. Or he risks a disporportionate response.

Kahanistan. No nukes means no nukes. Period. Just because you're doing poorly in ICly doesn't mean that you break the rules. And if I choose to wipe out your nation, tough shit, you should have said something earlier when I mentioned no nukes to you. Besides, if I wanted a nuclear war, I woud have started out by carpet nuking you flat and then rendering your territory uninhabitable with persistent radiation bombs.

Mass you could just pull out of Kahanistan (and thus this whole issue of nukes no longer matters), he has already agreed to pull out of the ViZion conflict, and lets face it, you utterly creamed his military and destroyed his nations ability to project military power (for the time being).

I would also like to point out that I do not believe that this RP has any "rules" in regards to nukes and that the only reason they have not been used is Kahanistan OOC listening to your OOC request... It is an agreement between players.

Kahanistan, if a RP has rules prohibiting nuclear weapons, you DON'T use nuclear weapons. Period. Trying to force their use against a player who explicity forbids them is a good way to get you ignored.
I do not believe that one can arbitrarily extend the boundaries of any RP to include any conflict. This RP began as a civil war in and around ViZion. The destruction of Kahanistan is a separate conflict well outside the original premise of the RP, and if Kahanistan wants to defend his nation with nuclear weaponry then it is absurd that he should be stoped from doing so merely because of the "rules" of an invader.

The fact is Kahanistan is a nuclear power which is having its citizens slaughtered on a huge scale. A nuclear response is entirely reasonable, if the invader is not happy with that then he or she should come to terms not OOCly negate the threat.

*1. The RP does NOT have any rules against nukes. You're the only one with rules against nukes.
*2. I've already let you talk me out of it once, before the situation was this desperate. I'm not going to be talked down that easily again.
*3. It's really the only option I have, as I said, the IC political climate won't allow surrender and the loss of what military reputation I have. (This is a nation that's lost most of the wars it's gotten involved in, and militarily it's starting to look like the NS equivalent of France.)
*4. If you ignore my defenses, expect the same shit when one side is insisting that half your invasion force is a pile of radioactive glass and the other side is claiming that you breached my final defense line and stormed the capital unmolested.
*5. Let's just get back to the RP, the nukes haven't even been triggered yet.

And if I choose to wipe out your nation, tough shit.Dude, you're starting to piss me off with this. You've defeated him on the battlefield. He's agreed to pull out of ViZion. Don't try to feed your ego by beating up on someone who can't fight back conventionally.

That's the kind of thing that leads to OOC resentment ala the RB war.

Well, tbh, I'm just kinda peeved because I stated quite explicitly that I did not RP with nuclear weapons.

Oh well then, I'm willing to drop this, let's just continue on with the RP.

Guys, regarding the nuclear issue, please refer to my just-added note at the bottom of the first post of this thread.

Thanks!

Xirnian, Questarian and Praetonian anti-satellite assets would all be hit at once.
Just making sure, but you realise that Xirnium has been maintaining non-belligerence in this war so far, right?

Why would the MassPwnage government randomly attack a neutral nation?

Damn it, Velkya shouldn't have moved outta the rp.