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General of the Armies Hakuro walked down the corridors of the Presidential Office Complex. President Boon was in his office, gathering up his important papers and possessions for the flight to the Continuation of Government Facilities in the Central Amestrian Mountains. As Senior Full General Bradley had suggested, the Central Military Command had been granted Emergency Powers and were ready to implement Martial Law if necessary. All efforts were being taken by the Military Central Command to defend Amestria from Foreign Attack.

“Sir, it is time to go.”

“I’m coming Full General.”

Soon, they were underneath the Mountains, impervious to any enemy decapitation attack.

The Continuation of Government Facility: A series of Bunker complexes under the Central Amestrian Mountains able to accommodate well over 20,000 people. It is impervious to aerial bombardment or a nuclear attack. The Continuation Facility is connected by landlines to every Military and Important Civil Facility in Amestria. It is designed to be the Governments center of operations during wartime.


Amestrian Military Movements

The Airforce and Navy are placed on Elevated Alert. 6,000 Fighter Aircraft and 6,000 Strike Aircraft are prepared for preemptive defensive action.

The Amestrian Nuclear Arsenal and Arsenal of Conventional Strategic Weaponry are placed on Elevated Alert.

The Amestrian Air Defense System is placed on Elevated Alert.

Four Million reserves are called up.

Two million troops are dispatched to Amestria’s coastal areas and begin to set up coastal defenses and artillery.

The President, High Level Ministerial Officials, and the Military Central Command relocate to the Continuation of Government Facilities under the Central Amestrian Mountains.

OOC: Oh God, is this my fault in any way? Alternatively: Oh God, is this our (SWC) fault in any way?

OOC: Oh God, is this my fault in any way? Alternatively: Oh God, is this our (SWC) fault in any way?

OOC: Not at present...

I believe it's my fault ;)

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Ministry of Defense

The Government of Kahanistan is alarmed at the growing tensions in Amestria, evidenced by its military being granted emergency powers and placing its WMD arsenal on alert.

We call on all nations involved in the Torontian conflict and those unfriendly to the State of Amestria to cease hostile actions against each other IMMEDIATELY and to commit to diplomatic negotiations. The Government of Kahanistan will allow such negotiations to be held in Najaster, the capital of Kahanistan, upon notice of acceptance of this offer by both sides.

WMD warfare only ends in devastation. The Government of Amestria must know this, assisting us in cleaning up our own and AMF's WMD that was liberally deployed in the Invasion of Kahanistan. Martial law in Torontia has led to the widespread belief in Amestrian war crimes, and should it be implemented against Amestrian civilians, it will undoubtedly lead to the belief that Amestrians are being summarily executed.

For these reasons, we wish to see this conflict end peacefully. Neither side has anything to gain from warfare, so why fight?

Signed,
Margaret Delray,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Signed,
General Marcellus Q. Valens,
Minister of Defense

OOC:There is no such thing as a 'nuclear proof bunker'. Given the incredible accuracy of modern ballistic missiles, a nuclear warhead could pulverize ANY bunker.

OOC:There is no such thing as a 'nuclear proof bunker'. Given the incredible accuracy of modern ballistic missiles, a nuclear warhead could pulverize ANY bunker.

OOC: It is under a mountain range, a huge Mountain range (and no one would know its exact coordinates).

'In an unrelated story, Holy Xirnium's supreme legislature, the High Ecclesiarchy, ordered the Xirniumite Armed Forces to increased their combat readiness to Defence Condition 3 following what it called "alarmingly hostile measures” being taken in Amestria. Political analysts have expressed their fears that the Amestria government, which has just enacted several Enabling Acts in order to give extraordinarily wide emergency powers to the army, is drifting closer towards an undemocratic military dictatorship.'

-Xirnium Broadcasting Newtwork, The World News.

OOC: It is under a mountain range, a huge Mountain range (and no one would know its exact coordinates).

IMAF fields a 10 megaton bunker buster.

If someone DID find its exact coordinates, you'd probably want to have you politicians walk out and surrender themselves before a radioactive dustcloud replaces your nation.

Katherine Schleicher, the Chairwoman of the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski is shown walking behind the media room. Noticably absent is her trademark smile. There is no sparkle in her eyes, no flashing of the pearly whites, no bounce in her step. Instead she looks pale, tired, exhausted and sluggish. She walks out of a door and up to the podium.

Public Announcement
Ladies and Gentlemen, on the eve of the biggest conference in the history of the Commonwealth there is a bigger story. Yes, a story that even makes the Conference of the Commonwealth look like a seventh page story.

The State of Amestria is preparing to attack the Republic of New McFarland. The Commonwealth of Saint Fedski will not stand and watch one of its members fight alone. Any attack on the Republic of New McFarland will be an attack upon the entire Commonwealth. If Amestria wants a fight, it will get one it cannot win. They have threatened to use nuclear weapons, but any missile will be destroyed before it can even touch the clouds. If the State of Amestria does not stand down, the Commonwealth will be forced to take retalitory actions and such actions will result in the destruction of the Amestrian economy and their ability to wage war.

Thank you.
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The Internal Security Force officers who were responsible for the security of government officials, quickly ushered the Chairwoman out of the room and into a waiting vehicle. She was on her way to the Conference of the Commonwealth.

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE STATE OF AMESTRIA

Amestria is currently on Elevated Alert, not High Alert. It is not planning to attack any Nation of the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski. Amestria's actions are aimed at self-defense and Amestria has not threatened to use nuclear weapons against anyone, nor is Amestria targeting anyone. Amestria is committed to the Kurora Conference and a peaceful resolution to the Torontian question. If war does break out it will not be because of Amestrian action. As Amestria's military deployments have been purely defensive, we do feel Saint Fedski has any cause to threaten Amestria.

[signed]
President Daniel Fitzgerald Boon of the State of Amestria

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE STATE OF AMESTRIA

Amestria is currently on Elevated Alert, not High Alert. It is not planning to attack any Nation of the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski. Amestria's actions are aimed at self-defense and Amestria has not threatened to use nuclear weapons against anyone, nor is Amestria targeting anyone. Amestria is committed to the Kurora Conference and a peaceful resolution to the Torontian question. If war does break out it will not be because of Amestrian action. As Amestria's military deployments have been purely defensive, we feel Saint Fedski has any cause to threaten Amestria.

[signed]
President Daniel Fitzgerald Boon of the State of Amestria

Following the Amestrian announcement, the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski has been put on an immediate war footing.

ooc: Amestria's demise is near.

OOC: Every nation of the Commonwealth must RP its own response thank you and SF please respond to my Minister at the Conference?

And you can't just say "immediate war footing" I am ignoring that! As the Commonwealth is made up of several nations, which you can not RP like puppets.

Public Announcement from Amestria

As we do not wish to engage in provocation, Amestria will stand down its nuclear arsenal from Elevated Alert, even though it was never targeting any Nation.

[signed]
President D.F. Boon


Amestrian Military Movements

The Nuclear arsenal stands down from Elevated alert.

[OOC: What nations are in this "commonwealth"?

OOC: Every nation of the Commonwealth must RP its own response thank you and SF please respond to my Minister at the Conference?

And you can't just say "immediate war footing" I am ignoring that! As the Commonwealth is made up of several nations, which you can not RP like puppets.
Sure I can. 1) They live in my apartment 2) They, unlike me, have better things to do with their time, 3) They will randomly disappear for days or weeks like the guy who RP's North Saint Clair just did 4) They don't care enough to respond to all of your posts 5) I can't even get all of them to come to the Conference of the Commonwealth 6) For comic relief: If they went against the commonwealth, I'd put toothpaste in their shoes.

You see how that works?

Sure I can. 1) They live in my apartment 2) They, unlike me, have better things to do with their time, 3) They will randomly disappear for days or weeks like the guy who RP's North Saint Clair just did 4) They don't care enough to respond to all of your posts 5) I can't even get all of them to come to the Conference of the Commonwealth 6) For comic relief: If they went against the commonwealth, I'd put toothpaste in their shoes.

You see how that works?

OOC: Sucks for you, too bad, you cannot RP the forces of NSC going against Amestria. If the player does not care enough too bad for you. As Amestria is not attacking I do not see why I should recognize what you say their actions are. Yallak has dropped off the NS world and it is still turning!

Republic of New McFarland (My nation)
Kingdom of Thornz
Republic of North Saint Clair
Allied States of the Islands
Republic of Pink
soon to be:Republic of Communist Revolution
Confederacy of the-fish

Although the fish and the islands haven't even gone to the forums yet. They're the kind that like to just check their nation and do the issues once a week.

once the commonwealth conference is done SF will have permission to do the rping himself for your little matter. if you had a bone to pick with me id do the rping for him. you see how that works?

You DO realize that it's against the rules to have one player using what may be considered "puppets" to help his nation in a war?

OOC: Exactly!! Amestria will ignore any puppets!

OOC: Exactly!! Amestria will ignore any puppets!

Same here. It's a really low tactic to try and do that; really.

If I have their permission, it is not against the rules. And if it still is, then any nation that uses DMG's rent-a-legion is using a puppet and has therefore committed an illegal act.

The Lone Alliance is alarmed at all troop mobilizations. We warn all of you, the first act of war from you willl be fatal to your nations.

(OOC: Or is it the end of you Saint Fedski.
If you do the "I have premisson to use 'INSERT NAME' Nation. Then you're still doomed Saint Fedski.

I have recently recieved the approval to use the armies of the following nations in my Region:
Imperial Empire of Severance,
The Islamic Brotherhood of GLA Army,
The Disputed Territories of The Dammed.
If it's legal for you it's legal for me.)

If I have their permission, it is not against the rules. And if it still is, then any nation that uses DMG's rent-a-legion is using a puppet and has therefore committed an illegal act.

I have taken the issue to moderation.

Using multiple puppets for a conflict IS a GODMOD. I saw it in one of the stickies but I can't find it. I'm ignoring ANY commonwealth nation who is RP'ing with minimum posts because it makes it OBVIOUS.

If SF is allowed to use puppets in a single war then i'm registering 30 puppets and crushing everyone else on NS TONIGHT.

If SF is allowed to use puppets in a single war then i'm registering 30 puppets and crushing everyone else on NS TONIGHT.
Actually I'll Give you 'Permission' to use all of my puppets to crush everyone. See that's fair right?

(BTW The army from those three nations I told about above at 1% of their population is around 188,470,000.
188 Million soldiers from nations with good Economies.)

If you think that's the case then do it. Accuse me of using puppets thats fine. I am not. In order for it to be a puppet, I would have to control the nations, which I do not. I control this one and only this one. This is the only one I have the password for. When the Conference of the Commonwealth progresses, you will see how it works. Until then, you guys can just keep running your mouths, while I sit here laughing at the immaturity you both are showing.

I have seven F#$% puppets and I can use them (and they all have over a billion)!

If you think that's the case then do it. Accuse me of using puppets thats fine. I am not. In order for it to be a puppet, I would have to control the nations, which I do not. I control this one and only this one. This is the only one I have the password for. When the Conference of the Commonwealth progresses, you will see how it works. Until then, you guys can just keep running your mouths, while I sit here laughing at the immaturity you both are showing.

Even better, you do not even control those nations yet you RP them like you do and you use them for unfair advantage!

I have seven F#$% puppets and I can use them (and they all have over a billion)!
LETS DO IT THEN!!! Since he agreed that it's okay to use puppets now in this RP. (Let him Amestria I have around 2 Billion soldiers waiting.)

OOC: IIRC, there is no rule against using puppets in a war, let alone forming an alliance consisting of your puppets. It's just that if you do, you're generally frowned upon. And Lone Alliance, respond to my TG!

Using puppets will ruin the RP... I am waiting for moderation.

Forget it. I chose to get involved with NationStates for some quality writing and stories and of course I get mixed up with the immature children of it. Have a good one.

What does that mean?

Forget it. I chose to get involved with NationStates for some quality writing and stories and of course I get mixed up with the immature children of it. Have a good one.
Hey I'm fine with fighting you using puppets, just prepare to get completely and utterly destroyed.

It's him being immature because it's not going his way. So now he's going to quit or something like that.

They post when they have time. Some people do things like work, school, socialize. Currently I'm off school, for a couple more days, but I still work. I like doing this as an evening thing before work. They like socialize a little more than I do. Why don't I just kick them out if they don't post? Yeah. I'll do that. It's a good idea.

How do we even know these people exist? (I am not calling you a liar, I believe you when you say they do, but what stops other players from creating fictional people?)

Well If they were ficticious, that would involve me logging off as this character, then logging in as another, then back out, and back in and out and in and so on. I may be just a little far too lazy for that mess. And you will see that over the next couple days at the conference of the Commonwealth.

Then surly they can all log on for something as important as war...

NSC can make it most times, Thorns, works two jobs and has school for another month..then he will be able to do it a bit more, the islands and the fish, Ii don't even know where they are. Probably went up North again. Hopefully they won't run out of money this times. Communist Revolution is around quite a bit just hasn't seen anything worth posting about. He will be posting once the conference starts.

We all have OOC lives, school starts for me on the 15th and we try to take that into account so everyone has a good time. That however is not an excuse for RPing the combined forces of several nations you do not control (using them effectivily as puppets) against me when I have not cleared it...

Well If they were ficticious, that would involve me logging off as this character, then logging in as another, then back out, and back in and out and in and so on. I may be just a little far too lazy for that mess. And you will see that over the next couple days at the conference of the Commonwealth.
Actually, if they were ficticious people, you would not do that mess of logging off and on and stuff, as that would get you discorvered more easily. (I am probably about to have my foot in my mouth as someone proves me wrong, but it is 3:30 AM here, so what the hell).

As for this situation you have gotten yourself into, I don't have sympathy for you. You are RPing for countries that have other people that own them. Just because they are not available, or will not be for a few days does not let you RP for them. I remember way back I was in an RP with Torontia, and he was gone for days, if not weeks at a time. We did not RP for him.

It leads to a slippery slope. If we let you RP for those friendly nations just because their owners are unavailable, then we open the door for people to RP enemies because they have been unavailable for days, or other problems. Best to leave the door shut, and not RP for nations you do not own, even if you are well intentioned or feel you have good reason.

Oh but you did clear it. A couple times though. Of course it wasn't public and I didn't ask for it be because I trusted you wouldn't pull something like this, but you did and once again I am making a claim that can't be proven either way. One of the other reasons why we're RPing as a combined unit is so the time doesn't get messed with 3 units of PLayers A, B, and C moving at the same time. Player A moves unit A1 at 10am (RL time) but player B and C aren't around so player D, the enemy makes a post at 10:15am that effectively blocks B and C from moving because they haven't posted yet.
Player B posts the movement of unit B1 into the zone that player D just moved into. Player D protests because they were not given a chance to defend against the movement when in reality, player D shouldn't have even moved yet. Player B tries to explain but player D continues calling god mode. Player B can't support this because Player A is gone and Player C isn't there and the agreement was made via TG or MSN as opposed to in a forum. Then starts the OOC bickering, the changing of past posts, the ruining of what could have been an excellent RP and the disgust of all the participants.

Sure I can. 1) They live in my apartment 2) They, unlike me, have better things to do with their time, 3) They will randomly disappear for days or weeks like the guy who RP's North Saint Clair just did 4) They don't care enough to respond to all of your posts 5) I can't even get all of them to come to the Conference of the Commonwealth 6) For comic relief: If they went against the commonwealth, I'd put toothpaste in their shoes.

You see how that works?


I may have no part here but please refrain from RPing the actions of nations you don't control, even if you're sure of what they would do and have their offline permission, this is called Godmoding and is patently illegal in NS, please have the actual controllers post that they give command of their military (Or some part thereof) to you. A simple post like "The nation of X Sends Y number of Divisions to the aid of Nation Z, We give nation Z complete control of these units as long as their use is nescesary to end the current crisis" will do.

Then starts the OOC bickering, the changing of past posts, the ruining of what could have been an excellent RP and the disgust of all the participants.

You already have that with this little attempt of yours to gang up several nations you do not control (but post their movements and positions) upon me!

I may have no part here but please refrain from RPing the actions of nations you don't control, even if you're sure of what they would do and have their offline permission, this is called Godmoding and is patently illegal in NS, please have the actual controllers post that they give command of their military (Or some part thereof) to you. A simple post like "The nation of X Sends Y number of Divisions to the aid of Nation Z, We give nation Z complete control of these units as long as their use is nescesary to end the current crisis" will do.
Exactly what we plan on doing with the upcoming Conference of the Commonwealth. Establishing the limits of military control. I believe it was Thorns who posted the permission not too long ago, which was vetoed and mocked by the Lone Alliance, McKagan and Amestria.

Actually, if they were ficticious people, you would not do that mess of logging off and on and stuff, as that would get you discorvered more easily. (I am probably about to have my foot in my mouth as someone proves me wrong, but it is 3:30 AM here, so what the hell).

As for this situation you have gotten yourself into, I don't have sympathy for you. You are RPing for countries that have other people that own them. Just because they are not available, or will not be for a few days does not let you RP for them. I remember way back I was in an RP with Torontia, and he was gone for days, if not weeks at a time. We did not RP for him.

It leads to a slippery slope. If we let you RP for those friendly nations just because their owners are unavailable, then we open the door for people to RP enemies because they have been unavailable for days, or other problems. Best to leave the door shut, and not RP for nations you do not own, even if you are well intentioned or feel you have good reason.

Exactly what we plan on doing with the upcoming Conference of the Commonwealth. Establishing the limits of military control. I believe it was Thorns who posted the permission not too long ago, which was vetoed and mocked by the Lone Alliance, McKagan and Amestria.

That is because 1) We do not approve. 2) We agree with Mannatopia's position.

Following the Amestrian announcement, the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski has been put on an immediate war footing.

ooc: Amestria's demise is near.

Since SF is attacking me I feel I have the right to veto his use of puppets!

Without his puppets SF would not attack me!

We're not attacking you though. We may, infact we probably will, but we have not attacked yet nor have we made any preparations to.

We're not attacking you though. We may, infact we probably will, but we have not attacked yet nor have we made any preparations to.

OOC: Saying "Amestria's demise is near" does not give that impression. Your puppets will not be attacking me unless their players actually take charge and RP each and every one of their own moves! Because I veto you moving/RPing those nations units for them!

Each nation will move their own units. However, you or anyone else for that matter, may not make a single IC post until the others have posted their movements and until we have finished RPing the move, including any dialogue that takes place between the two. If you do make a movement before they do, it will be overlooked.

As it stands SF can't use any forces except his own. Technically he may use the forces granted to him by other nations (Such as thornz) But since that's effectively using using puppets (In this situation) Then the nation these forces are being used against has the right to to deny the aggressor those gifted forces. To avoid this (And the situation where people start OOCing over who moved where when/why/how) the 'Commonwealth' should (Since they apparently live int he same appartment) Just get together and decide posting orders and troop movements and then post them individually in the agreed upon order.

ICly (Because the conflict sounds interesting, Squabbling aside):

The Mondothian 10th fleet has been ordered to the Amestria theater in order to monitor the situation and as a potential Neutral ground for the possibility that a peace conference should be required. The Fleet is fully authorized to defend its neutral status with all necesary and proper force.

In the meantime answer my ambassadors at the peace conference.

Also that post where you put the whole Commonwealth on War footing is ignored (as it RPs all those other nations) and Amestria has gone off its nuclear alert without incident.

ICly (Because the conflict sounds interesting, Squabbling aside):

The Mondothian 10th fleet has been ordered to the Amestria theater in order to monitor the situation and as a potential Neutral ground for the possibility that a peace conference should be required. The Fleet is fully authorized to defend its neutral status with all necesary and proper force.

OOC: There is no conflict and no war is currently happening!

I feel the person who insults another persons maturity first is the one who lacks something. But that's just me.

Anyway, it's bullshit how SF wants us to wait for every single commonwealth member to respond first. If they're not going to be an active member of this RP and when they do it's only showing up to help SF, it's just not worth it. Why doesn't SF just find him some allies that actually bother to play the game?

They will most. Just I will post now...and you can't respond for a couple hours until they post. That kind of thing. I'm not going to ask you to wait for days.

Let me make myself clear, since there seems to be some sort of confusion. I do NOT have trouble over Nation A saying "Nation A offers Nation B our military forces and can use them as they see fit." I can see that happening. NOW, that doesn't mean Nation A sends their entier military away. That IS puppet wanking. It'll hurt the RP once we have to wait to respond, and I'm not willing to have that happen. I say you just get the nations in the commonwealth to send a few of their troops each to SF and forget about those nations actually RP'ing anything.

Is this acceptable? This is part of the re-organization that will be revealed at the upcoming Conference of the Commonwealth.

First Combined Commonwealth Army
Lieutenant General Jared Fedora
First Corps (New McFarland)
Second Corps (New McFarland)
Third Corps (North Saint Clair)
Fourth Corps (North Saint Clair)

Second Combined Commonwealth Army
Lieutenant General Tony Mezatesta
Fifth Corps (New McFarland)
Sixth Corps (New McFarland)
Seventh Corps (North Saint Clair)
Eighth Corps (Thorns)

I don't see why not.

Who will be RP'ing this?

Will SF just RP everything from the Saint Fedski account?

That's what I did in Torontia for myself and North Saint Clair. As you can see, the first Army is what is deployed in Torontia. Is it acceptable? I can get them to do some unilateral action if thats what you're looking for.

I think it is; but i'm not the only member of the RP.

The SF naval fleet in Torontia is more then a few loaned units, it is huge, thus each ship (and ship launced aircraft) must be RPed by the Nation which controls it.

Same with any invasion fleet/army sent against Amestria or any third country.

^
Why do you have to make this so complicated? I'd accept SF RP'ing units from those nations as long as they IC said those units would be under his command.

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Why do you have to make this so complicated? I'd accept SF RP'ing units from those nations as long as they IC said those units would be under his command.

I am the one being invaded, being put IC under his command means they are puppets, no doubts, no own thoughts/actions: They do what ever McFarland wants. Unacceptable!

The land forces in Torontia are one thing (I can see those being RPed under a united action) but any larger multilateral force (such as the SF fleet deployed in Torontia and the SF invasion fleet/army) must have each the units RPed by their player.

Also, if one of the Commonwealth nations is invaded then that player must RP his defenses, they can’t be done under united action.

SF has allies, not puppets, allies and if he intends to bring them into this they shall be RPed by their players in large multilateral deployments and home defense. Wars involving large amounts of nations/allies is alway complicated.

If you were to invade say...the Kingdom of Thorns, Thornz would be the one taking control of the units. But because of the proximity to the other Commonwealth Nations, it would be quite unnecessary. In WWII the invasion of Normandy was conducted in a unified action. One guy controlled 3 nations' armed forces. You didn't hear Hitler complaining about that.

If you were to invade say...the Kingdom of Thorns, Thornz would be the one taking control of the units. But because of the proximity to the other Commonwealth Nations, it would be quite unnecessary. In WWII the invasion of Normandy was conducted in a unified action. One guy controlled 3 nations' armed forces. You didn't hear Hitler complaining about that.

I have made myself clear... No puppets!

If the Commonwealth cannot act as one, then you cannot use even a single nuke.

If the Commonwealth cannot act as one, then you cannot use even a single nuke.

I will use as many nukes as I want as I am the one being attacked. You don't like the fact you can't use puppets and I want to keep the nuclear opition open then don't attack!

If the Commonwealth cannot act as one, then you cannot use even a single nuke.

This is not a debate or trade off, no puppets period. The Commonwealth memberstates are each RPed by their respective players or ignored. No debate, that is the reality!

The Commonwealth is an alliance, not a Nation, it is an alliance!

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RIGHT.

When the SWC member nations get into a fight we don't hold the RP off until everyone posts. Whoever is online and CAN posts does. SF has NO RIGHT to tell Amestria he cannot use nukes when AMESTRIA IS THE ONE UNDER ATTACK. SF has NO RIGHT to declare the RP cannot advance until everyone posts. It's the MEMBER'S job to come online and post.

Anyway, it's bullshit how SF wants us to wait for every single commonwealth member to respond first. If they're not going to be an active member of this RP and when they do it's only showing up to help SF, it's just not worth it. Why doesn't SF just find him some allies that actually bother to play the game?
As for this situation you have gotten yourself into, I don't have sympathy for you. You are RPing for countries that have other people that own them. Just because they are not available, or will not be for a few days does not let you RP for them. I remember way back I was in an RP with Torontia, and he was gone for days, if not weeks at a time. We did not RP for him.

It leads to a slippery slope. If we let you RP for those friendly nations just because their owners are unavailable, then we open the door for people to RP enemies because they have been unavailable for days, or other problems. Best to leave the door shut, and not RP for nations you do not own, even if you are well intentioned or feel you have good reason.
OOC: Sorry SF, but I have to agree with McKagan and Mannatopia. If your friends have other interests or don't like to rp, then you'd might as well find allies online that actually do help you out.