NationStates Jolt Archive


A Call to All Future Tech Nations (Completely Open)

Thrashia
31-12-2005, 21:00
Using all forms of communications a message was sent out to the nations of the galaxy, using a translator for those nations whose languages were different from that of old earth English, or Basic. A man appeared on screens and hologram projectors everywhere.

The man smiled. He was tall and handsome, bright blue eyes, matching that of his immaculate uniform, trimmed with golden cuffs and pips. A half cape lay over his left shoulder.

“Gentlemen, leaders, emperors, nations of the galaxy, a time of final retribution has come to the face of the intergalactic community. A time has come to put aside such follies that the past has shown.

“Wars between rival nations and alliances have plagued the galaxy with dissension and endless bickering over those possessions or ideals they claim to have. Their own designs and agendas have caused for those wars to see the end of countless billions of peoples. The time has come to end that.

“I am a representative on behalf of Emperor Octavius Shadaum IV, ruler of the United Empire of Thrashia. In the near past our own nation attempted to destroy the totalitarian alliance known as the Galactic Empire and its leading evils. Our attempt was however unsuccessful, and we were forced to abandon our home system. Our allies, though valiant in their efforts to help us, were equally unsuccessful. In the end our attempt at rectifying the mistakes of the nation Unified Sith, and its leader Palpatine, failed; the attempt to recreate the Galactic Senate, in hopes of making a lasting peace for ourselves and for the galaxy did not bear fruit.

“However those aims were stopped. And now that once self proclaimed unifying force of the Galactic Federation has fallen to the dictatorship of Emperor Remiel of the Imperium of Chronosia.

“Thrashia was once part of the alliance known as the Galactic Empire, and is now presently involved in such alliances as the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances among others. The failings of these alliances are bereft of claim to the justice and security they claim to keep. Therefore the Emperor Shadaum has given thought to a new beginning, a new beginning that will be a dawn of an era of unparalleled peace and prosperity to the galaxy nations.

“The Emperor has then decided to form one final alliance, one final joining of nations that shall end all others. The Intergalactic Unified Senate, an alliance for all nations of the galaxy. A Senate bound to the ideals of peace and unity where all nations who join will be equal. Where protection of those who are weak shall be the banner for the cause against those who would threaten the peace of our galaxy, without such, the times and era of the galaxy shall simply retake the steps and paths that were once taken in the past that caused all the wars and pain and loss of that past,” said the man. The man pushed aside a lock of hair that had fallen into his eyes, and then looked back into the camera screen.

“In hopes that you as the leaders of the nations of the galaxy will join, the Emperor has designated an area of neutral space where a space station has been placed. One that shall be the first grounds for where the bringing together of nations shall begin. We make clear that no prerequisites to joining in these opening talks, those nations that are simply interested are of course welcome and are hoped that they will be satisfied with what they see and hear.”

The man nodded in farewell. “To the continued prosperity of the galaxy,” he said. The signal cut, and the image disappeared.

Space Station Liberty's location: Fifth Quadrant, 2nd Sector, unclaimed space.
Dweladelfia prime
31-12-2005, 21:26
Dweladelfia Prime would like to join this Senate. We are sending oue senator now. Is there any other things we can donate. Such as a protection force, a few distroyers?
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 21:30
The commique was responded to. The same man who had given the original message responded.

"I thank Dweladelfia Prime on behalf of the Emperor for responding to this call. Your senator will be greeted at the space station. We however request nor wish for you to think to give any such donation. The Senate must not be formed with the thought of military power as its first priority. I will see your senator there."

=Message End=
Dweladelfia prime
31-12-2005, 21:35
An ISD Mk III droped out of hyperspace ner the space station. A Tilander shuttle flnked by two TIE/ln came out of the main hanger bay.

Message to space station

This is te Tilander shuttle Fredom request permission to land and drog off the senator.
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 21:38
A single Thrashian carrier sat next to the large space station. The guidance command on the station sighted the approaching shuttle.

"Shuttle, your guidance path has just been sent. Welcome to Liberty space station."
Dweladelfia prime
31-12-2005, 21:41
"Thankyou very much liberty."

The Shuttle landed in the hanger bay of the space station. The ramp opened and senator Rober H. Apachy walked out. He was wearing a Imperial Navy uniform. He was flanked by two Dweladelfian Troopers.
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 21:53
They were greeted by the same man who had sent the original message. He was dressed in knee high black boots, white pants, a blue officers coat with golden pips and shoulder patches. On either side of him were two lines of unarmed soldiers in dress uniform.

The man bowed as the three men stepped down form the shuttle. "Welcome gentleman to the meeting of nations. I am your host, Treize Kushrenada."
Dweladelfia prime
31-12-2005, 21:56
"Thankyou very much sir. Do you mind showing me around?"
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 22:03
"Not at all. If you will follow me, I will show you to the waiting hall where you may rest and await for other delegates to arrive," said Treize. He motioned with his hand. He guided the man into the hall and through a series of doors until they came to a long hall, it was well furnished and had a long table in its center that carried a large amount of food.

"You may rest here," said Treize. "Your men may stay as well. But I ask that they keep their arms on safety." With that, he nodded and left.
Emperor Palpatine II
31-12-2005, 22:11
Open Transmission

"We on behalf of the Admiral Khan who rules over the Borain System, wish to send a delagate to this new Senate you propose. He will arrive soon."

End Transmission
Dweladelfia prime
31-12-2005, 22:14
"Not at all. If you will follow me, I will show you to the waiting hall where you may rest and await for other delegates to arrive," said Treize. He motioned with his hand. He guided the man into the hall and through a series of doors until they came to a long hall, it was well furnished and had a long table in its center that carried a large amount of food.

"You may rest here," said Treize. "Your men may stay as well. But I ask that they keep their arms on safety." With that, he nodded and left.

"Thankyou very much." He sat down and told his gaurds to sit down.

The ISD that deliverd the senetor here turned on its cloak.
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 22:23
Open Transmission

"We on behalf of the Admiral Khan who rules over the Borain System, wish to send a delagate to this new Senate you propose. He will arrive soon."

End Transmission

"Your delagate is welcome. We will expect your arrival."
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 22:49
bump
Spizania
31-12-2005, 23:01
OOC: Ive wanted to get into an FT RP for a while.

MESSAGE:
We are sending our senator to join this new senate.
END TRANSMISSION

A few hours later an three ships appeared on the outskirts of the System, two Excalibur Light Cruisers and the Heavy Cruiser Zeus, its underslung hypervelocity cannon visibly unpowered, a pair of X-Wings dropping from teh bay, followed by Lambda-Class Shuttle and 2 More X Wings,
"This is the Lambda Class Shuttle Renegade escorted by 4 X-Wings, we are requesting permission to dock inorder to transfer teh Spizanian Senator"
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 23:09
"This is the Lambda Class Shuttle Renegade escorted by 4 X-Wings, we are requesting permission to dock inorder to transfer teh Spizanian Senator"

"This is Liberty guidance command. Your approach path has been sent to you. Welcome to the Liberty Space Station."
WinTrees
31-12-2005, 23:24
HMS Prince of Wales dropped out of orbit some distance from the space station. A Raptor, along with 2 escort Vipers took off from the flight deck and headed towards Liberty.

"Hello Liberty, this is blue flight, we're carrying Lord Platt of The Wintrees Colonial Assembly, permission to land. over."
Spizania
31-12-2005, 23:35
"Roger we have course, inbound now"

The shuttle touched down and the egress ramp lowered, a tall beutiful twenty-something women glided gracefully down the ramp, escorted by two special forces soldiers.
"Greetings, I am teh elected Confederate Senator"
Thrashia
31-12-2005, 23:53
"Hello Liberty, this is blue flight, we're carrying Lord Platt of The Wintrees Colonial Assembly, permission to land. over."

"Welcome Blue Flight, this is Liberty Command. Permission is granted, your guidance path has been sent to you. We welcome the Lord Platt on behald of this Senate."

-snip-

Treize stood at the end of the ramp as the young lady came down it. He bowed to him. "Welcome Lady on behalf of the Intergalactic Senate."
WinTrees
01-01-2006, 00:03
The Raptor touched down on the deck with a clunk. The hatch opened and 2 Diplomatic Security Service officers stepped out onto the decking... they took a quick look around the hanger before nodding towards to cockpit.

Lord Platt then exited the Raptor, head held high and in a gleaming Wintrees Navy dress uniform. His worn, elderly figure seemed to be weighed down by the sheer amount of braid hanging from his shoulder. He was followed by another 2 DSS officers.

"I bring greetings from The Wintrees Colonial Assembly... and Lord Seric."
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 00:03
OOC: I'm off for the night, happy new years! Hope more people come, bump.
Kikoskriat
01-01-2006, 00:18
A message was returned, sent froma remote location deep in space. The voice speaking the message was monotone, heavily synthesized and analytical in sound. It was an audio-only communication, no picture was profided. It also bore no identification of the sender; well, none of that would have been known by anyone at that time.

<HYPERWAVE CODED MESSAGE BEGINS>

United Empire of Thrashia. Logic dictates the collapse of the empire you are attempting to create through multitude of members that will be attracted to it. Diplomatic Implosion serves no benefit to us nor to the galaxy. Refusal of your invitation to join your alliance is enclosed within the words of this message. Refusal was calculated with a 96.4% certainty for such an event occuring and all previous information on alliance structures was correlated and analyzed in the conclusion drawn before you. Message ends.

<HYPERWAVE CODED MESSAGE ENDS>
San Texario
01-01-2006, 01:11
Two Beetle class Corvette ships and 8 Harpy Class fighter/interceptors came through a jumpgate close to the space station, escorting a Spider class shuttle. "This is the Texarian delegate, Sparin. Requesting landing guidance."
Korgarein
01-01-2006, 01:59
Zalintin City, Korgara; Heart of Korgarein Space:

It was night time on Korgara and a stary lit sky was high above the planet. Star Marshal Praxis Strener made his was way to the Grand Chancellory Complex after watching the holomessage at his home. Checking in with security he made his way deep into the complex to the Grand Chancellor's office. The massive doors to the office opened and Praxis stepped forward into the room. He saw the Chancellor's large desk with the holoviewer still on. Behind the desk was a rather large high backed chair with its back turned to the Marshal.

"I assume you are here about the message Marshal." a voice bellowed from the darkness of the low lighted room.

"Yes Chancellor, I am. What is it you would like us to do?" replied Praxis as he stood at attention.

The large chair turned towards the Marshal revieling the faint image of Grand Chancellor Octherian Trokin. He sat there with his hands together fingers intertwined in front of his face with his elbos braced on the chairs armrests. "It means little to us. It is mearly a nother hopefull nation that has seen the horrors of the universe for the first time and believe that it can be changed. Good and evil are realivent terms dependent on the beliefs of those who use them. Nothing will change. Even if alliances such as the Galactic Empire fell another would only take its place."

"Yes Chancellor, I understand. What would you like us to do then." the Marshal ask.

"We will watch this alliance as we do with everything. Start a security file on them and gather as much information on it as it unfolds. As well keep attached files on all of it's members as they join up. Basicly the standard things we always do." the Chancellor Ordered.

"Very good Chancellor, we will start right away." with that said Marshal Praxis turned and exited the room and the Chancellor picked up a datapad and turned his chair back away from his desk and the door to read another report.


((OOC: Just a tag post.))
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 02:23
Two Beetle class Corvette ships and 8 Harpy Class fighter/interceptors came through a jumpgate close to the space station, escorting a Spider class shuttle. "This is the Texarian delegate, Sparin. Requesting landing guidance."

"Welcome Texarian Shuttle, and delegate Sparin. This is Liberty guidance command, we are sending you the approach course now. Proceed as your own discretion, and welcome to the first meeting of the Intergalactic Senate."
Admiral Thrawn II
01-01-2006, 02:32
Imperial Coded Message

Greetings from the Grand Admiral Thrawn. The Grand Admiral has expressed his interest in your proposed Senate and due to recent events concerning the GE, is willing to hear you speak. Our delegate will arrive soon to your meeting place.

/Beam Transmission Cut
SeaQuest
01-01-2006, 03:00
*Start Transmission*

*Begin Level 10 Multi-Encryption*

To: Thrasia
From: SeaQuest

The Imperial Nycarian Grand Navy Of SeaQuest shall be sending General Tatiana Sanying (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/MistrissDraconia/Character%20Pics/furries_01.jpg) aboard the I.S.S. Tsunami, a Mark II SeaQuest class (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10172250&postcount=181) Deep Space Research/Exploration Cruiser. She will be the SeaQuestian Empire's representative to this Senate of yours. She will also be arriving with her staff of five, so please make sure to have enough accomadations(sp?) ready for all six.

*End Multi-Encryption*

*End Transmission*
Jeshand
01-01-2006, 04:15
Reverting to realspace near the station was an old, almost archaic lump that could only be called a ship by seriously stretching the definition of the word. It shakily turned towards the station with bits and pieces flaking off of the hull. Then it sent a rather static-laden transmision over the radiowaves. "Liberty station, this is the transport Weanat. We bear the chosen representative of the Jeshandi and are requesting permission to dock."
Chronosia
01-01-2006, 04:43
The Imperium would like to remind the Thrashians that the Imperial Senate is beign reconvened; as you would have wanted; that the Sith are out of power, as you would have wanted. That the Empire is under new leadership and new authority; that change is rife and rampant, not least the re-unification of the Coreworlds. Far from being a tawdry dictatorship; I offer the Empire to those who helped to build and support it; its members.

Regardless; this endeavor interests us; and we would be...Most grateful were we able to submit a delegate, on behalf of the Imperium and the Empire.
Empryia
01-01-2006, 05:07
The Federated Monarchy of Empryia wonders what are the terms of this Galactic Senate. Are the terms binding, can each nation nullify/not follow those laws it does not wish to follow? Will they only deal with international agreements, such as trading and trade routes, boundary disputes, treatment of prisoners, etc?

Or will this Senate have to power to dictate a "Galactic Rights" initiative towards its member nations, forcing them to change their culture to "adapt" to nations which may not understand the culture upon which they are forcing these changes? Will this Senate have the power to levy economic embargos and repercussions against member nations? Will this Senate have the power to nationalize and control the individual militaries of its member nations or will this Senate have its own Military Force with which to either just defend member nations, or enforce its edicts on member and non-member nations. Will this Senate have international courts in which to try citizens of member nations?

The Federated Monarchy of Empryia wishes, for the sake of all nations big and small, answers to all of these pertinent questions before it even begins to consider more thoroughly the thought of joining this Galactic Senate. Freedom of cultures, of individual and community rights, are vital and necessary, and the Federated Monarchy will stand by and defend its rights, and any other nation's right, to its existance and will not submit to a Tyranny of the Majority, where they inflict its ideas and values of their impression of a "civilized" society unto those whom they feel are "uncouth" and "barbaric". A forum for the expression of ideas we will have. A dictatorship of those who wish to influence the galaxy we will not.

Signed,

The God-Emperor of Empryia
Destartes Liomas
Martian Settlers
01-01-2006, 05:19
The ships around liberty station detect a small vessel (unescorted) moving at incredible speeds heading towards the station, as it drops out of hyperspace its sleek hull is an impressive design but its small its size paled by the giant warships surrounding the station.

A scratchy voices coughs over the communicator in slow standard
*....Liberty station this is Halcyon 6 requesting docking for the ambassador to the Marsteran Dominion....*
Kazecistan
01-01-2006, 05:30
To: Intergalactic Unified Senate
From: Kazeci Foreign Affairs

Kazecistan wishes not to join, but to become- friendly- with your group. Are such relations possible?

End
Dweladelfia prime
01-01-2006, 05:57
The Dweladelfain senator asks a few questions of the head of this Allience.

"Will we be electing a President of this Allience?"


OOC: Should we have an Allience forum?
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 10:19
-snip-
"Confirmed Grand Admiral Thrawn, we will await your delegate."

-snip-
"Our staff is alerted and their accomidations shall be met. We thank you for coming."

-snip-
"Affirmative, we will await your delegate."

-snip-
"We copy that Weanat, this is Guidance Command, permission is granted. We've just sent you to approach guidance you require. Welcome to Liberty Space Station."

-snip-
Treize, after escorting more guests to the waiting hall, took the time to respond to this message.

"Emperor Liomas, this new Intergalactic Unified Senate, when created with not be on the foundation of a federal system; but on that of a confederate one. It will be by majority rule, by democracy of free choice, that the Senate shall decide issues. All nations that join shall not have their laws infringed upon, nor their rights taken away for any reason.

"The core purpose of the Senate is to create long lasting peace, where the nations of that Senate need no longer raise arms against one another, that it will be through dialogue that disputes shall be settled. International agreements, such as trading and trade routes, boundary disputes, treatment of prisoners, etc: shall of course be brought before the Senate, where the judgement of all may weigh the case of each issue in the hope that a right path may be found.

"Once joined in this Senate, there may be times when a member nation is asked to marshal its armies on behalf of the Senate. However, that military power shall remain not with the Senate but with the individual nation, meaning that you will be asked, but are not bound by any law or edict to do so. But the ideals on which this Senate is created is such that I hope its members will see the justification and righteousness they have in protecting that ideal; defending the weak and opposing those institutions that threaten the peace of the galaxy.

"In ending my dear Emperor, I simply say that you as a soveriegn nation shall not be impenged upon in either political, economical, nor military forums; your self-soveriegnty shall be honored above all, and in turn to honor that same thing of your fellow member nations."

-snip-
"Copy that Halcyon 6, your guidance path is being sent. Welcome on behalf of the Senate to the Liberty Space Station."

-snip-
OOC: Yes, you can, but you can also send someone to sit-in on the meeting about to take place. Just because you send a person does not bind you to automatically join the Senate. This is simply a paliminary meeting.

snip

"That will be explained to everyone once the meeting has started, when we can discuss the main idea that the Emperor Shadaum has given me to impart to you," said Treize. He smild warmly at the embassador, giving him no need to worry about the event until it happened.
SeaQuest
01-01-2006, 10:54
Draconis IV - Orbit

The Tsunami peeled out of orbit around Draconis IV after the shuttle carrying General Tatiana Sanying and her staff had arrived. The sleek ship Phased into Hyperspace. The ship would meet up with her escort en route to Liberty Station.

OOC: This is the departure. I'll RP her arrival in my next post (unless I should have some reason to post something during transit instead, that is). Oh, and sorry for the short post, its 0500 and I can't think of anything else to put.
Empryia
01-01-2006, 11:44
After recieving the transmission, Destartes sent an ambassador to serve as a 'senator' and to feel out this new intergalactic government. Aboard the Battlecruiser Emperor's Guiding Light, the ambassador made ready to meet this government on the space station liberty. Its sister ships, Emperor's Providing Hand and Emperor's Devastating Sword provided escort for the ambassador's warship.

The each entered their respective wormholes, and heading for Liberty station.
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 16:13
After recieving the transmission, Destartes sent an ambassador to serve as a 'senator' and to feel out this new intergalactic government. Aboard the Battlecruiser Emperor's Guiding Light, the ambassador made ready to meet this government on the space station liberty. Its sister ships, Emperor's Providing Hand and Emperor's Devastating Sword provided escort for the ambassador's warship.

The each entered their respective wormholes, and heading for Liberty station.

"Attention Empryian vessels. This is Liberty Guidance Command, welcome. We're transmitting the coordinates now for your approach in your shuttle. Again, welcome."
Tidan
01-01-2006, 17:56
Talcor IV, a Senate Whitestar class destroyer, emerged from hyperspace. Weapons offline, the ship glided effortlessly toward the station and the growing traffic around it. On board, the representatives of the Republic of Tidan waited for their arrival.
Liberty Station, this is the Tidani Senate Whitestar Talcor IV. We are carrying our nation's representatives to your meeting, and request instruction for docking. Talcor out.
Anagonia
01-01-2006, 18:06
From - The Galactic Republic of Anagonia
To - Intergalactic Unified Senate

Anagonia is pleased to hear of these new events of an Intergalactic Senate. While we have had our own troubles with Civil War and Civil Successions, we would greatly desire to have good relations with this new alliance, to send our own delegate, and maybe become a part of this new order. However, we must have assurances that this would not interefere with current treaties, and until we talk with our Allies about treaty concerns, we cannot completely "jump in", if you will.

Until such a time, we will be greatly please to be on good relations for further future developments.

With great thanks,
-Caster Oblivion
-Chief of Foreign Affairs/Activities
END MESSAGE
Kazecistan
01-01-2006, 18:21
ooc: an ooc responce to an IC message? They won't send someone if they think it will be a waist of time.
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 20:08
snip

"Welcome Talcor IV, this is Liberty Guidance Command. Your approach vector is now being sent. Welcome to the Liberty Space Station."

snip
Treize once again took it upon himself to respond to this message.

"Foreign Affairs Minister Oblivion, I am happy to meet your aquantince, and m further pleased that the great nation of Anagonia has given thought to join this new beginning for the galaxy.

"I can assure you sir that this meeting, nor the organization it proposes to create, will interfere with your current alliances and treaties. We have no wish to impeach upon that which ties you with others of the intergalacitc community. It would even be further be of promise and understanding if perhaps you would invite along others of your allies and friends.

"Until I meet your represenative, good day."

snip
ooc: I thought that was ooc, but I will respong in ic if you wish.
Kazecistan
01-01-2006, 20:24
ooc: No, my characters are just into being concise. I'll format it into a transmission for clarification.
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 20:46
To: Intergalactic Unified Senate
From: Kazeci Foreign Affairs

Kazecistan wishes not to join, but to become- friendly- with your group. Are such relations possible?

End

Reply Transmission

"Kazecistan is of course welcome to become, to use your word, 'friendly', with the Senate, and we hope that you will send a observer to our meeting. Perhaps then after you have seen its results you may wish to join. I look forward to hearing your reply."

End Transmission
Kazecistan
01-01-2006, 21:12
Their reply was received when the Kazeci vessel arrived near the station.
Kazecistan has come to observe, become friendly with, but not join the Senate. The Super Cruiser's shields and weapons were powered down as it approached slowly. Stopping a medium distance away, they dispatched the small, fast, and agile bullet transport. Daniel, diplomat of Kazecistan, sat aboard talking to her guards, which were mostly for show, as they awaited clearance to land.
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 21:49
"Attention Kazeci vessel this is Liberty Guidance Control. Your approach vector is being sent to you. Welcome to Liberty Space Station."
Dweladelfia prime
01-01-2006, 22:17
OOC: So are we going to have a forum for this?
Empryia
01-01-2006, 22:22
The three Empryian Warships waited at the edge of the star system. The Ambassador left the Battlecruiser in his shuttle, escorted by a flight of 4 Venerator StrikeFighters. The three warships quickly left however, sent elsewhere to aid in the defense of the Federal Union. Two Heavy Cruisers and the Heavy Carrier Galciem took their places as the designated ships to protect the ambassador.

The shuttle made its way to Liberty Station. The ambassador smiled as she waited. This would be interesting.
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 22:30
OOC: So are we going to have a forum for this?
OOC: It will be here. Until we've had this first meeting, we wont decide on whether we will even need an off-NS forum.

snip

"Attention Empryian shuttle, this is Liberty Guidance Command. We're sending you your approach vector now. Welcome to Liberty Space Station."
Dweladelfia prime
01-01-2006, 22:32
When is our first meeting?
Chronosia
01-01-2006, 22:54
The Chronosian vessel tore from the warp; emerging into the Materium, resplendant in gleaming energy and crackling sigils; dancing runes that adorned the hull in teasing tattoo. On board; the Lady Elsabet Prestor stood; surveying the void; stoic and stalwart against whatever would come against them from the yawning maw of the abyss.

"Contact the Thrashians and inform them that we have arrived for the senate"

"Aye ma'am"

"Keep us steady and await their responce; we shall see what this has to offer..."
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 23:08
The technician spotted the Chronosian vessel on the sensory scopes. He pressed in a series of numbers and brought up a communications line.

"Attention Chronosian vessel, welcome to the Liberty Space Station, and the meeting of the Intergalactic Senate. I am sending you your approach vector now for docking. Again, welcome."
Thrashia
01-01-2006, 23:49
When is our first meeting?
ooc: your already at it. Attn everyone: I will be starting the meeting tommorow, this is to allow everyone to have reached the waiting room for delegates.
Tidan
02-01-2006, 00:14
"Welcome Talcor IV, this is Liberty Guidance Command. Your approach vector is now being sent. Welcome to the Liberty Space Station."
snip

Talcor IV docked and Ambassadors Lan Nalor and Rikor Helfer, Tidani and Rhinoceran respectively, entered the station with their aides.
Martian Settlers
02-01-2006, 00:28
The Thrashians envoy sent to meet the Marsteran ambassador was a young, junior officer of their diplomatic corps, left to meet his first ambassador alone as all the senior officials were busy with the multitude of senators and ambassadors from the well known core systems, his interest was mildly piqued by the fact that no one on the station had ever heard of the Marsteran dominion before. Ideas of a foreign alien species fluttered across his mind before for the more realistic assumption of a practical joke came to the fore of his mind. "probably some merchant who owns some barren moon" he thought to himself.

As he hurried into the hanger he saw before him a sleek craft with no apparent openings, a perfectly smooth hull with no apparent windows, external sensors, no sign of any weapons but strangest of all there were no apparent engines either.

As the young envoy stood to attention in front of what he assumed to be the front of the small craft he noticed the hull seemed to lose some of its substance, then, in the space of a few second he watched in awe as the ships hull turned to tendrils of light and un-weaved retracting into a bright orb in the centre of the room as the light faded he saw a single human like male standing it what was now an empty room.

"Greetings I am Theron ambassadors of the Marsteran people I bring greetings to your people and there noble cause of peace and prosperity"

Left speechless the young envoy stammered out a "f-follow me sir" and after an awkward moment he remember " the waiting rooms are this way. The first convening of the council shall begin as soon as the rest of senators arrive"
Kazecistan
02-01-2006, 00:29
Shortly after the transport landed, Danelle stepped out wearing full Kazeci diplomatic robes flanked by 4 guards in dress uniform. All of them bore intricately etched whitesilver staffs. They made their way, with guidance, to the meeting room and sat, waiting for the rest to arrive.
SeaQuest
02-01-2006, 00:47
Liberty Station

The Tsunami Phased into Real Space flanked by four Mark II Tempest class (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10117648&postcount=128) heavy cruisers, two on each side. The Tempests held back where they had Phased to Real Space while the Tsunami accelerated towards Liberty Station.

Liberty Station, this is the Imperial SeaQuestian Ship Tsunami. We are carrying the General and her staff. Requesting approach vectors.
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 01:01
snip
ooc: please keep yourself from rp'ing my men in the future MS, its rather rude, but welcome anyway.

snip

"Tsunami, this is Liberty Guidance command. We are sending you the propper approach vector coordinates now for your arrival shuttle. Welcome to Liberty Space Station."
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 01:29
bump
The Serene Death
02-01-2006, 02:42
A flash was the only warning to the Serene Death ship coming out of its jump. The smooth ovoid ship sent out a small transmission to the station, "This is the SDT Peaceful Rest requesting permission to land with the diplomats from the Serene Death."
San Texario
02-01-2006, 04:18
OOC: Too lazy for HTML

IC: The Texarian delegate stepped out of the shuttle in the docking bay with two security escorts and one advisor. Sparin Kaar was a tall, thin set man. He had white, balding hair, but his face looked still quite young. In his older age, he was still quite strong. His blue eyes surveyed the people around him as he walked into the meeting.

Meanwhile, in space outside the Liberty, the escort that had arrived with the shuttle was in Small defensive formation IV, with the two Corvettes triangular with the space station, and the fighters patroling about them, ready for a quick leave, or to spring to defense, should anyone prove hostile.
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 12:42
"This is the SDT Peaceful Rest requesting permission to land with the diplomats from the Serene Death."

"Attention SDT Peaceful Rest, this is Liberty Guidance Command. You have permission to land, we're sending you the approach vector now. Welcome to Liberty Space Station."

snip

A sensory operator detected the ships. He opened up a transmission line and began speaking.

"Attention San Texario ships, welcome to the Liberty Space Station neutral space. We will send you the correct coordinates for your delegates arrival."
Spizania
02-01-2006, 15:14
OOC: Could someone stage an attack on us or something?
Dweladelfia prime
02-01-2006, 17:51
OOC: This is an Allience meeting not a battle.
Spizania
02-01-2006, 18:30
I know, but we have all these ships gathered together, we have dignatries on what is probably a lightly armed space station, it just sems to be a very big and tempting target
SeaQuest
02-01-2006, 19:28
Messages

Acknowledged, Liberty Station. We will approach as close as possible before launching the shuttle to decrease overall travel time. We will then back-off.

Exterior

The Tsunami closed to within one-hundred meters of the station before launching a Mark III Liantra from one of the six circular ports on the spherical hanger module. After the Liantra was launched, the Tsunami backed off and rejoined the Tempests. The Liantra approached Liberty Station on the indicated path and landed in the indicated hanger space without a sound. Her Gravimetric Engines, being a non-Newtonian design, allowed ships, like the Liantras, exceptional maneuverablity. Their only fault was that the more mass a ship had, the less maneuverable it was.
The Serene Death
02-01-2006, 19:44
"Attention SDT Peaceful Rest, this is Liberty Guidance Command. You have permission to land, we're sending you the approach vector now. Welcome to Liberty Space Station."

The Comm opperator responded, "Thank you Liberty Station, we are on approach."

The sleek ship sailed into the docking bay off the station, and quietly landed. A hole opens in the front of the ship and a ramp extends down from it. A diplomat in a suit comes down the ramp first, followed by a man in plain clothes, another man in a suit, and 2 security personel.

"I mean what is the use of a diplomatic corps if you're going to make the country isolated?" the diplomat continued talking rapidly to the others as they walked through the docking area. "I mean it was a rediculous move by the president, nearly made his position obsolete afterall, but anyway now that he has opened it up and let your people in," as he nods to the other man in the suit, "this should allow us to do some good in the universe. Right?" he asks the plain-clothed man.

The plain-clothed man stopped looking around and nodded to the diplomat, still somewhat distracted by the surroundings.

The diplomat recognized the confirmation and continued on, "Well anyways, I've always loved the idea of diplomacy...."
San Texario
02-01-2006, 21:18
OOC: Thrash, you had already sent co-ords earlier in the thread, it just took me a tid to respond.
CoreWorlds
02-01-2006, 21:35
"Intruging." Master Jedi Armas Elendil said as he recieved the communique from Thrashia to enter into a Senate. Perhaps it's time we met them fully.

He called up a list of the members of the Diplomatic Corps and decided to select one of the senior apprentices of the Corps and have him ready to head to Liberty Station asap. Then, he sent off a message to Thrashia.

To: Thrashia
From: Jurai, Coreworlds
Re: Meeting

We have recieved your communique and will send a representative to this meeting.
He should arrive within two hours.
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 21:47
OOC: Sorry to make this hasty, but I'm going to start the meeting, automatically bringing all delegates together. And no, I don't think want an attack. My security forces are here, but I have no wish to test them at a meeting such as this.

IC:
All the delegates were guided from the main waiting room by men in military dress uniform, the uniform of the Specials. With great adherence to their guests the guides led the large group of delegates to another large chamber. It was a great hall, on either side flanked by great rows of seats. Every five seats were set behind a desk. On each was a computer with a holo-net connection.

All the delegates there represented the countries respectively known as: Dweladelfia prime, Commonwealth of Emperor Palpatine II, Spizania, WinTrees, San Texario, Dominion of Admiral Thrawn II, SeaQuest, Jeshand, Chronosia, Empryia, Martian Settlers, Tidan, Anagonia, Kazecistan, The Serene Death, and CoreWorlds.

Sixteen nations, seventeen if you counted Thrashia, come to this meeting place, drawn by the message sent out to the edges of the galaxy to all peoples.

At the head of the hall, a great platform was, a podium was set there. Behind the podium upon the wall was set a great projector hologram map of the known universe. Already standing at the podium was Treize Kushrenada, his calm reassuring smile on his face.

The guides escorted the respective delegates to seats. As they sat down, on the front of the desk behind which they sat, the image of their nation’s flag would appear, as well as a small banner displaying their names. The delegate’s guards or attendants were allowed to stay at their own discretion. Once everyone was seated, Treize began speaking.

“Gentlemen, Ladies, leaders and representatives from corners and races of the galaxy, welcome to this meeting hall. You have all come here, intending to investigate the message which I sent prior, and to ascertain the fruitfulness of involving yourself in what would seem another simple alliance, like so many before it.

“However, this new Intergalactic Unified Senate is not a simple horde of nations thrown together for a common and short lived cause; it is not based upon such simple terms as military protection or economical gain. The IUS will be founded on something that few nations, in reality, claim to support: Idealism. That ideal is total pacifism, of the no longer need for weapons or matters of war; for a time of peace where our soldiers need no longer fight and die in causes that are not their own. For the ideal, of the first united effort to bring together the entire galaxy and all its nations within a fold of common prosperity and advancement of technology for the betterment of those nations that joins.

“How then will all this nice idealistic talk and cultured words be translated to the language of reality? It can and will with the support of you nations. For the cooperation of a common cause, for a uniting of nations unlike any before its conception. If you nations who have come here, and those after whom I hope will join in our effort, truly wish to end the eon’s long cycle of war and destruction, to attain peace and prosperity; then there is but one thing you must do. Give your supreme effort to aid in the advancement of the Senate and support you fellow members.

“Once within the Senate, a nation is given the same power as all others. Matters of importance such as border disputes, wars, etc. shall be presented before the Senate and shall be voted upon democratically, by vote of the majority. Once created this senate shall elect a Speaker, who will present these problems that would face the Senate.

“Those within the Senate are promised an entirely non-tariff free market trade among members, military aid in the event that a member or the Senate as a whole is threatened, and support in the advancement of technology and the sharing of that technology among all members.

“No nation, no matter its alignment nor government shall be turned away from joining in this Senate. Here alone are fifteen nations. I would have it that that number multiplies beyond any alliance or organization. I would even hope for the absorption of other organizations and alliances.

“The end aim and point of this Senate, is the eventual uniting of all nations within the known galaxy as you see it behind me; that uniting in a hopefully peaceful manner, through dialogue. So that through this uniting wars will no longer become needed.

“What say you, delegates from many nations, to this proposal,” finished Treize
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 22:10
Bump
SeaQuest
02-01-2006, 22:18
"Its all well and good, in theory," said General Tatiana Sanying, "But, how do you plan to enforce such grandeouse plans?"
Spizania
02-01-2006, 22:19
"Its is all well ad god to have such ideals, but how would you defend our terriotries from those who would threaten us?"
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 22:40
"Its all well and good, in theory," said General Tatiana Sanying, "But, how do you plan to enforce such grandeouse plans?"

Treize turned to the SeaQuest represenative. "It shall be inforced only through the cooperation of all these nations presented before you today. To put aside your mis-givings and trully support it."

Another delegate spoke up. "Its is all well and good to have such ideals, but how would you defend our territories from those who would threaten us?" asked the represenative from Spizania.

Treize nodded at the comment. "Our borders, and territories of member nations shall be inviolate to outside forces, in that each member is bound upon joining to defend their fellow nation members. No matter the situation, if the lively hood of any member nation is threatened, then that invading force shall be met with the full might of our United Senate members."
Dweladelfia prime
02-01-2006, 22:44
"Will we bw electing a president?"
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 23:04
"Will we be electing a president?" asked the Dweladelfian prime represenative.

Treize shook his head. "No my good sir. The figure head of the Senate shall be an elected member of the Senate, holding the position as Speaker. The Speaker will be the one who presents the Senate with problems facing it, introduction of new nations into the Senate, and the one who will instigate meetings and times for when the Senate will need to meet and discuss such issues as pertain to an intergalactic scale."
Dweladelfia prime
02-01-2006, 23:10
OOC: What did you think I was talking about. Thats what a president is......
Thrashia
02-01-2006, 23:33
OOC: What did you think I was talking about. Thats what a president is......

ooc: The President of the US can send troops anywhere he wants without the permission of Congress, since he is the Head of the Armed Forces. The Speaker in the IUS must get approval or a declaration of war before entering a conflict, in other words the Senate votes on whether to get invovled or not.
Dweladelfia prime
03-01-2006, 00:27
OOC: Dude im not an idiot I dont mean a president of a country I mean a president of a council......
Thrashia
03-01-2006, 00:29
OOC: Dude im not an idiot I dont mean a president of a country I mean a president of a council......
ooc: Didn't imply that you were one, I thought you meant as in a head of state, and yes, the Speaker will be a sort-of president, but his title is that of Speaker, and his singular power is much more limited to the power of the Senate.
Dweladelfia prime
03-01-2006, 00:30
OOC: ok then.
Martian Settlers
03-01-2006, 00:30
The mysterious Theron stands to speak
"A truly wise and noble endeavour. and my people agree to this proposal. though i must first tell you why i am here.
My people having been watching this galaxy for some time now, even the considerable power of the empires united here, may not be enough to stop the oncoming storm.
The most powerful of my people sometimes have the ability to see vague images, flashes as it were of the future. Though vague, we have for sometime now foreseen a darkness descending on this galaxy. We know not what it is only it will consume us all. My people sought to abandon their homes to seek refuge elsewhere, but nowhere we ran would be far enough all hope seemed lost.
That was until 3 days before your message, a glimmer was foreseen by one of our elders, it emerged in the time line, some how this meeting has a very slight chance, of altering an almost concrete future of destruction. The odds are against you, hence my people have come out of hiding to offer what aid we can, we are few, and our dominion is small, but we hope you will allow our council here to aid your endeavour here so that is may succeed in saving us all."

"Although I was not yet supposed to reveal this untill we had further evidence the elder who saw the glimmer of this council he saw a name "Korgarein" we know not whether there empire is on the side of good or evil in this upcoming event, but we know they are significant in some way.

(ooc: sorry to drag you into this Korgarein but your initial post got me intrigued and sorry aout r'p ing one of your guys Thrashia i didnt think you mind a junior envoy.)
Thrashia
03-01-2006, 00:50
snip

Treize ws silent as the Martian said this. He nodded when the delegate had finished speaking.

"The future is something altogether impossible to entirely predict. I have noted your warning however, and I asure you that should we need your help we will indeed ask of that from your wise council; and I thank you for mentioning thus."

Treize looked at the other delegates that had yet to speak.

"Gentlemen and Ladies, are these terms and explenations which I have thus far given enough for you or have you more far reaching questions?"
San Texario
03-01-2006, 02:44
Sparin stood up from his seat, "I believe these terms are agreeable. Perhaps a Charter should be drafted and voted upon? A concrete form of guidlines as to our purpose."
Empryia
03-01-2006, 04:32
Praetor Lianari Jure, ambassador of the Empryian Monarchy, stood up and quickly glanced around the room of assembled delegates, "Your goals are idealistic. Superbly idealistic. However, assembling a Unified Senate of truly everyone would take... unfortunately, steps beyond what your idealism will hold. We have all come voluntarily, but many other nations, I assure you, will not. There will only be one way to bring them into the fold." She looked around the room, her cold grey eyes pausing, scanning, reading them.

"War," she said finally, "War on any scale. Economic, Politically, and Militarily. All must be considered and used forthwith. It is the only way to bring in some of the remaining seperatists into the fold. Some will join us with just on the threat of trade embargos, while others because of the threat of military conquest. However, we will need to act on our threats. Voluntary joining will only amount to some representation. For true representation, holdouts, seperatists, must be shown the error of their ways."
San Texario
03-01-2006, 04:44
Sparin stood up again, "Praetor, I do not believe war is the goal of this senate. It is foolish to do such a thing. I believe it should be left up to individual governments of the galaxy as to whether or not to join our senate. However, we should not move to purport an aggressive stance against anybody. It is impossible to create a universal government body, and to try to do so would be foolish. I think we should say 'No' to war," he said and sat back down.
Empryia
03-01-2006, 05:05
-snip-

"Then if our purpose is not to be truly representative, then why do we not just go back to our respective alliances and nations? Then our little Senate is nothing more than an alliance, not a Unified Body of the Nations of our universe (galaxy being the wrong term, since some of us are from an entirely different galaxy). My point stands sir. This Senate is a sham if not everyone is included, and some coercion may just be needed to bring in those whom do not wish to participate."
The Serene Death
03-01-2006, 10:17
The diplomat for the Serene Death stands up to gather attention. "Representatives, I believe that this council was not called to war. If the goal was to cause war to bring others under our control we would just use the alliances already in place. Instead this council has been conviened out of any who so choose to join, in an effort to bring peace."

He looks around and takes a deep breath before continuing. "If war was the goal, then diplomacy would be a falacy here. Instead it is the point. We are here to use diplomacy rather than war whether economic, political, or military. We will use words, trade, and ideas to create peace. Peace by force does not stay peace for long. Peace from peace stays. We must negotiate to have others join, not force them. They will join when they see what great things we do together without war between us, not under the threat of force."

He smiles and looks around the room as the man in plain clothes wispers into his ear. "Oh yes," he continues, "Our nation is fervently against any and all forms of free trade. We have been kept out of many treaties because of this, and will remove ourselves to observers if this is no allowed."

The man in the suit wispers into his other ear as he begins again. "Also, we would like addressed the issue of nations that have been taken over or are under some form of control by another nation within or outside of this council. We believe this council should cover this within its founding document.

As he sits down he says "Thank you."
Aust
03-01-2006, 12:08
The Emporer listened to the message, had it converted into type and then reread it. His Cousan, Prince Wilhelm secutary of Foreign affairs gulped. well The Emporer said, though his lips didn't move the words seemed to project themselves into Wilhelms mind Well

"Don't kill me sir, please."

I won't kill you. Not yet. We shall join this allience for we need help for our new spacebound empire.

"Yes, sire."

We shall join this allince. Transmit the appropriate documents now.

"Sire."

---------------
A message was sent out to Thrashia, once opened it would reveal being made of light, nothing more, just blinding white light. Words would then project themselves into the listeners head, without using sound.

I, Emporer William of Aust request entry into this senate that you are convening. My aide, Prince Wilhelm, is already on this way to your meeting place in the HMS Enzilep, be sure he is treated well.
Thrashia
03-01-2006, 14:47
Treize listened as the different delegates stood and spoke, saw the argument break out between them. He smiled to himself, seeing that some of them realized how the Senate could work.

Treize raised his hands. "Gentlemen and Ladies, I understand the point of view that Praetor Jure has said, and how much weight it holds in the scales of those respective nations which are undecided. However, under no means shall the Intergalactic Unified Senate coerce any nation into joining. All members must be allowed to enter willingly. To impeach upon the rights of those nations would be to deny the very foundation upon which this Senate would be formed. It is through dialogue and example that other nations shall be asked to join in this Senate.

“For when they see the prosperity and peace and assurance our Senate holds they will wish to join as well.”

Treize listened as the diplomat for the Serene Death stood and spoke. Treize nodded in response.

“I could not have said it better myself sir. And because this Senate is to be as liberal and open-minded as possible, all nations within the Senate can, upon entering, are given the choice of how they wish to involve themselves politically, economically, and militarily. Your nation sir shall not be forced to accept a Free Market system, nor any other terms of agreement.

“As to nations under the dominion of others; this Senate will be founded on the ideal of total pacifism, peace, and a democratic system so that all those nations within have equal power. However, in the case you mentioned, the Senate will bring to the fore the problem facing them. Should it be between members, of one controlling another, then the controlling nation will be asked to relinquish that control over the said nation. If the nation refuses it can be brought before the Senate as a whole and then be judge upon by all. For the Senate shall be both judge and jury for cases of intergalactic disputes.

“All this shall be included in a charter, which shall be made by the founding members of this new Senate.”
Aust
03-01-2006, 16:51
Can i ahve a reply plese Thrashia?
WinTrees
03-01-2006, 17:52
Lord Platt stood, "The Wintrees Colonial Assembly pledges full support behind the notion of a Senate. It does however wish to know what the provision would be in the case of another Senate member making an aggressive act, armed or otherwise, against another member state or a 3rd party."

"In addition, will military assets belong to the senate or the member states?"
San Texario
03-01-2006, 18:26
In response, Sparin stood back up, "It is my understanding, correct me if I am mistaken, that this Senate is to promote peace. Therefore, I believe that in order to prevent the escalation to an empire status, as well as to remain unaggressive, we should leave military power up to member states. However, as a peaceful gathering of planets and systems, we should also promote non-aggression towards other member states or third parties. Our duty, as understood, is to spread peace, justice, and freedom throughout the universe. I believe our responsability is to take peaceful actions to benefit the many races and peoples of all of our planets, systems, etc. or, should need be defend them.

"However, there should be, should need arise, a system to coordinate the armed forces of all member nations. Should an aggressor, third party or member state, move unto a member state for unjust purpose, or should within the senate arise an aggressive seperatist (meaning one who is for gaining full, dictatorial control over the senate) we should be able to coordinate a fast response as to all of our strength. I also believe that should it serve the correct purpose, for us to possibly stand in between two third parties to prevent escalations from affecting our own member states."

He sat down, and his advisor whispered something in his ear, and Sparin nodded to him.
Thrashia
03-01-2006, 22:30
"Mr. Sparin would be correct in his line of thinking. Once a member of the Senate member nations are expected to never in future pretentions make war upon another member. Any such aggreivments between member nations shall be absolved through dialogue until both nations are satisfied in agreement.

"The Senate itself shall be non-agressive as a whole. Those nations who wish for singular expansion are welcome to do so, but if they enter upon conflict through that wish to expand, the Senate shall not intervene on their behalf, for their intentions are not that of the Senate's charter towards peaceful negotiation. However those members who feel the need to help that member nation that started expansion, are free to act in that form.

"Besides the position of Speaker, who will moderate the day-to-day running and operating of the Senate, there shall be another position: that of Consul. The Senate shall elect a member of the Senate to act as military advisor and general. In the need of a united military action, the Consul shall be given powers to organize the combined armies of the Senate. The Consul is chosen by the Speaker, but elected by the Senate. The post of Consul shall only be held by that member for a limited time."

Treize looked to the two delegates.

"Does this meet with your approval?"
San Texario
03-01-2006, 22:33
Sparin's adviser whispered into his ear. Sparin shook his head as the advisor whispered something else, then he nodded and stood up, "Aye. We find those terms quite agreeable."
Thrashia
04-01-2006, 08:01
bump
The Serene Death
04-01-2006, 08:28
The diplomat speaks up. "On behalf of the Serene Death and our autonomous region Fallen Earth, for whom we asked the question earlier, we accept this. The Serene Death will join as a member, and Fallen Earth would like to join as an observer only; thus not causing conflict with the rules on one nation's rule over another."

The man in a suit to the diplomat's side stands up to speak. "As representative of the Free People's Commonwealth of Fallen Earth, I concur with the Serene Death representative. We will seek only observer status, and any operations or issues we have in the organization we will work through the Serene Death representative."
Thrashia
04-01-2006, 13:42
"I thank you sir for your nation's support. However we have not heard the council and concerns that other nations would give to this meeting." Treize turned to the represenatives from Chronosia and Anagonia, and all those who had yet to speak.
Aust
04-01-2006, 17:30
Bumpy, bumpy, waity for reaply.
WinTrees
04-01-2006, 18:01
Lord Platt quickly stands "Wintrees supports the creation of the Senate, we have no other concerns.. pending the paper work."
Thrashia
04-01-2006, 18:49
Bumpy, bumpy, waity for reaply.

ooc: sorry aust, your message has already been confirmed. I don't have time to write up a post. Best thing to do is just have your delegate already there to save time.
Thrashia
04-01-2006, 22:31
bump
The Serene Death
05-01-2006, 07:53
OOC: bump
Thrashia
05-01-2006, 09:22
OOC: bump

ooc: think maybe that you could find out what those nations who haven't spoken are doing?
The Serene Death
05-01-2006, 09:47
OOC: Sure, I guess....meanwhile....


The Serene Death diplomat stood up and cleared his throat. "Since most are in agreeance over the basics of this organization, what shall we call it? I have heard many names thrown around."
Empryia
05-01-2006, 11:28
Lianari looked around the Senate floor. Her proposal had been shot down, and she had hoped so. Had her proposal been accepted at all, she would have immediatly contacted the Emperor and told him of this evil body that was slowly building its web of deceit. However, she now needed to contact the Emperor to tell him of the supposed "good faith" of the Senate members. She instructed her scribe to send word.

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, the Empryian Monarchy still needs time to see if it will join this hall of benevolent rulers. I am sorry if we are holding up these proceedings."

The scribe brought her the tablet she was going to send. She made one attachment, a small P.S, to the bottom of the message.

Your Majesty, we should wish to join this Senate, but make friends elswhere. We could be entering the Viper's den. You remember your father's words, "Work towards the best, but make plans for the worst."

With Love,
Lianari


She encrypted the transmission thrice, then thrice more, then compounded the encryption thirteen times, then gave it to her scribe. The scribe walked off with four guards in tow. Lianari waited for the response.
Aust
05-01-2006, 17:14
OOC: Thanks

IC: Prince Wilhelm was nervious as he walked into the senate, ready to take his place as Austs representive. He didn't want to fail the Emporer, if he did then he would die. And his familly would die. He didn't want that.

Theyw ehre already having a debate as he came in so he took his seat and waited for a oppertunity to find out what they where talking about.
Chronosia
05-01-2006, 17:16
Elsabet stepped forward; black robes fluttering and billowing; body adorned in jewels and sigils, adorned in tight armor and gleaming, hissing energy; she watching, vaguely amused at the proceedings.

"The Imperium has watched and it has listened; and we are intrigued by your proposals; we shall join this endeavor; and support it to the fullest of our objectives." A wry smirk gracing his delicately beautiful features; a soft, almost mewling pout as she observed still. "What say you?"
Aust
05-01-2006, 17:38
Wilhelm had finally managed to catch the tread of the debate and was about to suggest a name when Elsabet took to the stage, disrupting his train of though entirly. She scared him a slight bit with her jewels and pedents but he looked down at his gleaming white Austian uniform and took confidence from it.

"Though I am new to this organisation, I would say that having you join would be a good idea. From my nations limited space experience we have heard much about your people and the fear they instal in opponents hearts. Though fear is not a honourable, or desirable, trait I feel that such a powerful nation would a of benfit to this allince."
Aust
05-01-2006, 17:50
Wilhelm had finally managed to catch the tread of the debate and was about to suggest a name when Elsabet took to the stage, disrupting his train of though entirly. She scared him a slight bit with her jewels and pedents but he looked down at his gleaming white Austian uniform and took confidence from it.

"Though I am new to this organisation, I would say that having you join would be a good idea. From my nations limited space experience we have heard much about your people and the fear they instal in opponents hearts. Though fear is not a honourable, or desirable, trait I feel that such a powerful nation would a of benfit to this allince."
Chronosia
05-01-2006, 18:44
"Fear is a point of view brought about by those who do not understand something; and thus fear it for its difference. While we are vast and mighty, many will fear us; having only heard whispers of our names and our activities." She smiled slightly, evidently taking great pleasure in the idea of inspiring fear.

"Those who fear us and brand us as evil, would just as easily take up the spoils of our Empire when the fires of their zealots war had ceased; those who decry us, would just as readily embrace damnation and not judge themselves by the same standards. We are nothing, if not the Imperium; agents of the God-Emperor; servants of the Four Powers. We pledge ourselves to this organisation; and our word is our bond. Does this answer your query? Calm your mind?"
Tidan
05-01-2006, 19:40
The Tidani ambassador rolled his eyes, and decided now would be as good a time as any to speak. "I really don't see anything special in this organization. It is simply another alliance which in my opinion is modeled after the Galactic Federation. You say you seek peace above all, but only for your own members. Is this not merely a mutual defense pact? Will you intervene in other nation's wars to create peace? I would think not."

Then he turned to the Chronosian. "We respect your desire for peace, sudden as it may be." Then he addressed the assembly as a whole again. "Be watchful though, that the servants of chaos do not bring more trouble than peace. Let us hope their crusades are over now, and they can be satisfied with ultimate control over the billions of slaves in the Empire."
Chronosia
05-01-2006, 20:15
"We are satisfied; and we do desire peace; but you will note that the Thrashians modelled this on neither Empire nor federations; they seek to be seperate from those idiotic squabbles of the past. We respect this entirely; intending to forge ahead in reforging and remaking the Empire; no longer the tyrannical domain of the Sith, but a more...open-ended institution. Thus, we have pledged ourselves to this endeavor; and hope that it shall bring benefits instead of maladies to us all"
The Serene Death
05-01-2006, 23:54
The diplomat decided to speak. "This is not a mutual defense pact, but a non-agression pact and mutual cooperation pact. We will talk, rather than fight amongst ourselves. Our fighting will give way to negotiations. We will bring civility to the universe. Our troubles will be lessened with help from others. We will become brothers."
Thrashia
06-01-2006, 10:08
"The peace which you so carefully stated, is not in any means reserved for only us within this organization," said Treize. He was grateful for the support of the Chronosian represenative, but a little annoyed at other statements; he however kept his face serene and a mask. "Once created our Senate will promote peace for other nations and ourselves; ask others to solve their issues through dialogue rather than armed conflict."
Aust
06-01-2006, 19:09
"Solving issues and non-agression is all very well," Wilhelm interjected, "But what of those nations and planets that are not in this pact, whatof those outside our allince that would seek war against us, what if one of our nations falls into archany? What do we do then? Do we sit and watch or fight? I balive that we need to create another clause to this allince, a comittment to aid others if attacked and to support a nations intrests."

"I would also request a trading agreement be added into this pact, free trade between each nation in this pact without tariffs or boarders."
San Texario
07-01-2006, 00:57
Sparin stood up at Wilhelm's statement, "I have stated before that I do believe, in agreeance with Wilhelm. As part of this pact, we need to step in, when appropriate, to defend members of this senate."
The Serene Death
07-01-2006, 03:27
"Gentlemen, the idea is not to make ourselves defended by the other members, but to make sure that the other members are there for us to help make the universe safer and more peaceful. If there is a rebellion in a member nation, it is not the goal of this council to defend or help the member or the rebellion. It is the goal to find a peaceful solution to the problems of those who are members and of those not members."

The diplomat collects himself and takes a deep breath before continuing. "We are not here to make another Alliance. We are not here to make another Defense Pact. We are here to create a place to air differences. A place to discuss, and a place to expand friendship. We will be enemies, we will be allies, and we will have differences, but we will get through them. We cannot shun outsiders and drive them away with mutual defence pacts and free trade. Non-aggression and terriff reduction are much better and get us along the way to friendship and more members."
Thrashia
08-01-2006, 09:21
"Solving issues and non-agression is all very well," Wilhelm interjected, "But what of those nations and planets that are not in this pact, whatof those outside our allince that would seek war against us, what if one of our nations falls into archany? What do we do then? Do we sit and watch or fight? I balive that we need to create another clause to this allince, a comittment to aid others if attacked and to support a nations intrests."

"I would also request a trading agreement be added into this pact, free trade between each nation in this pact without tariffs or boarders."

Treize leveled his gazed at Wilhelm. "Young man, your absence from the earlier moments of this meeting has perhaps caused you not to hear the answer to that question that I have already given.

"The Senate shall remain in a permanant stage of defense. We shall never move from a position of defense to offense. We would seek to have peace through dialogue with nations outside our Senate, and remember it is no mere alliance, but in the scenario which you have brought to the fore once again I tell you that should this Senate come under attack or its members threatened by an outside force the Senate as a whole shall counter that threat.

"Should one of our members nations collapse internally, then the Senate shall elect a member nation to take control temporarily and solve the issues pertaining to it, then put the old ruling class back into power, or whatever it takes to solve the issue and put that government or planet back into order and proper action. And if that nation which was elected to help presumes to take control of this other country, the Senate shall exact punishment.

And a clause concerning the military operations of this body has already been discussed. The full notes are recorded already on the computer in front of you, free for your perusal."
Sandeya
09-01-2006, 01:51
A primitive-looking space shuttle dropped out of warp space in Liberty Station's neutral zone. It was painted deep black like the space behind it and was armed with a few crude rifles that had gone out of date centuries ago on most worlds sticking out of small holes in the hull. Its bumpy and wastefull warp-drive grinded to a halt as it approached the station.

"Liberty, this is Sharpeye of the Sandeyan vessel Ikanhulta's Prophet. The princess of Sandeya has recieved your message and has sent a representative on board this vessel: me. Do we have permission to dock?"
Thrashia
09-01-2006, 09:16
A primitive-looking space shuttle dropped out of warp space in Liberty Station's neutral zone. It was painted deep black like the space behind it and was armed with a few crude rifles that had gone out of date centuries ago on most worlds sticking out of small holes in the hull. Its bumpy and wastefull warp-drive grinded to a halt as it approached the station.

"Liberty, this is Sharpeye of the Sandeyan vessel Ikanhulta's Prophet. The princess of Sandeya has recieved your message and has sent a representative on board this vessel: me. Do we have permission to dock?"

"Ikanhulta's Prophet, this is Liberty Command, welcome. You have docking clearance, we're sending you your approach vector."

ooc: now you can just rp walking into the senate chamber.
Aust
09-01-2006, 17:02
Treize leveled his gazed at Wilhelm. "Young man, your absence from the earlier moments of this meeting has perhaps caused you not to hear the answer to that question that I have already given.

"The Senate shall remain in a permanant stage of defense. We shall never move from a position of defense to offense. We would seek to have peace through dialogue with nations outside our Senate, and remember it is no mere alliance, but in the scenario which you have brought to the fore once again I tell you that should this Senate come under attack or its members threatened by an outside force the Senate as a whole shall counter that threat.

"Should one of our members nations collapse internally, then the Senate shall elect a member nation to take control temporarily and solve the issues pertaining to it, then put the old ruling class back into power, or whatever it takes to solve the issue and put that government or planet back into order and proper action. And if that nation which was elected to help presumes to take control of this other country, the Senate shall exact punishment.

And a clause concerning the military operations of this body has already been discussed. The full notes are recorded already on the computer in front of you, free for your perusal."
"If that is so then I can agree with you on that fact. But what of trade and my suggestion of a free-trade area?"
Thrashia
09-01-2006, 20:32
"Once again, you bring up already answered questions. Free Trade shall be the main thing that the Senate shall promote amongst its members, however this system of trade will not be forced upon any nation whose economical system is not one based upon free trade; but tarrifs between member nations would be made void," said Treize. He turned to those represenatives that had not yet spoken and those had already.
Sandeya
10-01-2006, 04:06
When the Ikanhulta's Prophet docked two Sandeyans(visualy, think Hispanic with green eyes.) armed with primitive rifles stepped down the loading ramp of Ikanhulta's Prophet onto the station. They were closely followed by Sharpeye in his billowing linen robes and undone dust-mask. Next to him walked his similarly clad wife, Worm(pronounced like the city, more like Vorm than Worm.) The couple were both over the age of forty; old for Sandeyans. Their guard were much younger.

One guard and Worm left for<wherever the guests are staying> while Sharpeye the Brazen(that's his title. Sandeyans love titles.) and his guard walked down to the senate chamber. He entered just as the senators were discussing something about free trade and whatnot. Sharpeye sat down and waited his turn.
SeaQuest
10-01-2006, 06:30
OOC: Thras, mind if I have one of my MA guys show up?

IC: General Tatiana Sanying spoke up for the first time in several minutes, "Talking things out between two groups is all well and good, if both sides agree to it. What are you going to do if a Senate member is being attacked by a nation or group with the objective of taking over for pure expansionist reasons, for the fun of it, or both?"
The Serene Death
10-01-2006, 09:26
"As I said before, my nation will not be party to a removal of terrifs. We will allow a reduction of terriffs. As for the belligerant non-members, we will rally around our own, though we do not require it. My nation, despite our usual isolationism, will help in any defensive action that we feel we are needed. Otherwise, we will still aid in non-military ways to those in which we do not feel we are needed. We will, as a member of this council, always be of aid to all other members in times of need."
Thrashia
10-01-2006, 20:58
Treize nodded in agreement to what the represenative from The Serene Death said. "We as a intergalactic Senate shall not sit idle while such events of imperalism are inacted against us. Rather we will rally around our united banner and prove ourselves dangerous to the enemies that would threaten our peace.

"As to tarrifs, that will yet be discussed when we draw up the Senate's charter."
Sandeya
10-01-2006, 22:39
OOC: So what will this involve, technicaly? Will the Senate have an on-site region, or will we have an off-site forum? Or both?
Martian Settlers
11-01-2006, 00:17
The mysterious Theron stands forth once more

All of this talk about defences and free trade is nothing new, it is simply the Thrashians way of sustaining a large-scale affiliation/friendship treaty even if this is not their intention this is what it is turning out to be.

What this senates needs to succeed where all other equally pitiful attempts have failed is... Planets, not just lumps of rocks but populated worlds that answer only too the senate, politically, nationally and morally and not just some imperialistic empire’s which use votes too their own benefit, of which many off you here are part of, I mean no disrespect but the truth must be told.

The only way too ensure that a world is loyal to the senate they must not be directly influenced by any empire. Secondly they must join the senate of their own free will.

There is only one way in which this will happen the ceding and liberation of subjugated worlds, here is a list of candidate worlds currently under the control of empires in this room
**A list of planets and the respective empires flashes on to all the monitors in the room**.
I do not expect you all to surrender these planets easily as many have great strategically and resource values, that, could cripple empires if torn away all at once.
But all planets are valuable, and a great sacrifice on the empires in this room must be made if we are to succeed, Once planets are freed these planets should see (with the help of senate diplomates), that the senate is the best way for these planets to maintain there newly acquired freedom. And with the senate the reason for this freedom they should give their loyalty to it.

These worlds, while boosting the influence of the senate would not have the recourses to maintain influence for long that is why we will in time have to take a second step.

The second list I am sending now **another list appears on the screens around the room** is subjugated worlds out side of the senate that would likely give us their loyalty if, as a united force (as to give no single empire the favour of the liberated worlds) we lead an offensive campaign to liberate their people, though this would lead the senate down a slippery slope of making the senate a direct target for enemies, ones who might unite to vanquish this emerging threat.
Sandeya
11-01-2006, 02:24
Sharpeye stood and faced Theron. He raised his left hand next to his own head with the index and middle finger bent at an angle--the Sandeyan gesture for honesty. "Stategically, Senator, your plan makes sense. What better way to win the loyalty of an individual or a people than to give them what they have lost and miss. In this case freedom.

In practice, however, such a strategy would be very costly. What it sounds to me like your saying is that we should liberate any world, that we think would be loyal to our cause from their opressors. But why would any nation outside the Senate allow for this to happen? You must realise that all it would to to a foreign colonial empire would be to weaken its power. No empire would allow its colonies to be given to a rival faction willingly.

Thus the only way for you plan to succeed would be if we, all the nations represented here, were to fight a war of an unimaginable scale. We would be seen as a threat to our enemies. Is this senate, young and unorganized as it currently is, ready for such a campaign of conquest? I think not.

Such a campaign would work to the opposite of what the Senate is really trying to achieve; that is, a lasting peace.

If, however, this plan, mad as it seems, were to be activated, you can be sure of Sandeya's commitment. My people, I'm sure, would be willing and capable to fight along side any of yours," he made a broad, sweeping gesture towards the gathered delegates, "It has been proven through combat that a single Sandeyan infantryman, trained by the dessert, diciplined by a struggle for survival, and tested by superior forces and voracious dessert beasts, is worth two outlander tanks. While I may not like it, I do not doubt my monarch or my people's willingness to go to war if the Senate declares it neccessary."

Sharpeye sat.
Chronosia
11-01-2006, 02:37
"The People of the Imperium are trained for war; bred and fattened upon it. From the Imperial Guardsmen to the genetically-enhanced legions of the Space Marines; we are prepared to wage war upon any terrain; against any foe. Countless are the warriors and the weapons of the Imperium; it's vehicles and ships bastions of glorious warfare. It's technology maintained by the arcane Adeptus Mechanicus. The great Titan Legions stride across the galaxy, bringing fire and doom to all who would oppose them."

A smirk crosses her ruby red lips; before she begins to speak again; determined; commited; a beautiful and deadly noble who has lived her entire life dedicated to the Imperium; the vast organisation she is an esteemed and respected part of.

"However; the Imperium shall cede none of it's worlds; worlds won hard in the fires of war; worlds taken from enemies, or claimed as our own. Such worlds provide us with income, resources and warrior-stock for our Legions. Such places are not be cast aside on a fools whim. Not to be gambled so carelessly.
The Serene Death
11-01-2006, 04:54
"The Serene Death agrees with the representative of Chronosia. We will not give our people, our resources, or our planets directly to this organization. We will aid its endevors, but not like that. We also will oppose any form of the plan put forward by Theron."

The diplomat sits back and sighs. The man in a suit hands him a list.

"Here is what I an my collegue have come up with so far. for this organization:

1. This organization is not a mutual defense pact. Members are not required to join in the defense of each other. Members are encouraged to help each other in times of need.
2. This organization is a non-aggression pact. Members are required not to fight each other. Members are encouraged to negotiate their diffferences through this organization.
3. This organization is not a free trade aggrement, nor does it create a free trade zone. Members have control over the flow of trade between each other.
4. This organization requires all terriffs between members to be reduced to no more than 15% of the item's value. A member may have lower terriffs or stop trade partially or completely between another member.

5. This organization will be an council where every member gets 1 vote in all organizaitonal votes."

He puts the paper down and sighs again. "The fifth and beyond still needs to be worked out, since we haven't mentioned how this will be organized. We will have a leader who will organize everything. We will have a council of some sort. We will have votes. Will it be a majority or super majority to pass things? 2/3rds, 3/4ths, 4/5ths? Will all things passed be binding or recomended?

These are things we still need to work on, and we are bickering over great plans for this organization to absorb the universe. This is not what we signed on for."
Martian Settlers
11-01-2006, 06:29
Theron replies
Then I am in the wrong place. if we are simply signing non-aggression pacts, whatever peace there comes of this (if any) will not last. For most people here already have allies against enemies, peace with peaceful neighbours, this council is useless unless it brings us a new, viable means of making peace not simply encouraging it.
as is you are no better then bickering buricrates you will not achive a solid peace and this galaxy will fall to the coming darkness.

i must go now and help my people prepare to depart this galaxy, we will run from the future that approches in hope of finding some one somewhere will help us find a means to stop the coming darkness.

with that theron leaves the meeting room.
The Serene Death
12-01-2006, 05:03
"Well since he is gone, how does everyone else see this? I think his departure could speed things along."
Martian Settlers
12-01-2006, 06:05
OOC: i will check up on this post a couple of times over the coming week if someone wants to drag me back into it

Theron returns to meditate in his waiting room before his long journey
Aust
12-01-2006, 17:13
"I balive Aust could agree on points 1,2, and 5, but not on point 3, I balive that a Free-trade zone would be not only a added incentive to nations to join, but also help our nations develop.. I also agree that point 5, the organisation of the senate, needs to be redrawn."
Thrashia
12-01-2006, 19:09
"Gentlemen, ladies, I must again stress for those who still do not understand. This is indeed not a simple non-aggression pact between nations," said Treize. He was unsettled that the Martian Settlers had, for all their supposed knowledge, had not grasped what he had stated now three times.

"Our purpose in this senate is not some idealistic jihad to free every world of the universe from tyranny in all its guises. Rather, our purpose is a pilgrimage. Our banner and champion of this senate shall from its creation to the end of time, shall remain that of Peace.

"Under no such guise nor falacy shall this body of respected nations assume to create war purely for the sake of "freeing" a world. And under no condition what-so-ever shall it ever be in the power of the Senate to strip member nations of thier past conquests and their present holdings. Such would destroy the principle of free will; which is another thing which this Senate is founded upon.

"And, my dear represenative of The Serene Death, your points are well founded and accurate to but one. One point which I must make clear as that of new fashioned glass...this Senate is not a non-aggression pact and it shall never be so. Our nation members are asked to fully forget such pretentions or aims at the destruction of another member nation. Civil War of the Universe is all that ensues from such adventures; it is a waste in men, resources, and time; and the fruits of such labors are bitter-sweet.

"I would now however like to bring this group to the thinking of what the Charter shall say, in what wording, and in form. I now wish to here the opinions and suggestions of those represenatives who have them concerning the things brought up in the 5 points of The Serene Death."
Telepany
12-01-2006, 20:34
Open transmission

We of the Star Kingdom of Telepany wish to join this senate. We apologise for the late entry but as our system lies in the Ionic Nebula beyond what most consider the fringe of civilised space all non-shielded electrical systems and signals are weakened if not rendered inoperable. The signal took some time to reach us and we had to greatly clean it up before we were able to decipher it.

If the senate is still accepting members we would like to join.
End transmission

ooc: This is my first time attempting to RP so if I messed up please let me know, and so no one later accuses me of godmoding the nebula disrupts shields, sensors anything that relies on external energy. My nation having needed to survive in it has countered this to an extent and restored about 10% of shields and about 75% to sensores and has a sensor net.
Thrashia
13-01-2006, 12:32
snip

ooc:...your home planet's shielding is of no concern of this meeting...so don't worry...

IC:

Reply Transmission

Understood Star Kingdom of Telepany. This is Colonel Halabert of the Thrashian Diplomatic Corp. We would welcome any represenative you choose to send. If you're quick in your passage, he/she may arrive before the first meeting is over.

End Transmission
Sandeya
14-01-2006, 01:03
ooc: This is my first time attempting to RP so if I messed up please let me know, and so no one later accuses me of godmoding the nebula disrupts shields, sensors anything that relies on external energy. My nation having needed to survive in it has countered this to an extent and restored about 10% of shields and about 75% to sensores and has a sensor net.

OOC: It's fine. The first few posts you write should be something like that. In any case, since NationStates is about building nations, it is only sensible that you would be allowed to invent your nation's geography.

IC:"As general of the Llarra Clan's army during the Sandeyan Crusades," Sharpeye said as he stood again with his honesty-gesture, "I have viewed the dire consequences of multinational warfare first-hand. I have seen men killed, women raped, children enslaved, and peoples squashed on the front. When I returned home I witnessed the domestic price: women without thier sons and husbands; children without their parents; and a crippling economic collapse.

That was a time, not six years ago, that all of what would become the Sandeyan Empire was at war. When the Desert found peace again, the new ruler, Sand Princess, began taking steps to modernize our people, among these steps space travel. I became Admiral of the nation's fledgling starfleet.

In space, myself and those under my command encountered more hostile enemies then we thought it possible could inhabit the universe.

We held our own, and are now taking steps to become a major player in the intergalactic community. But I remember the horrors and price of hatred--of war, and I swear to you, on behalf of my homeworld, that we will do all we can to create peace in the universe."

Sharpeye was wheezing now; he had not spoken like this in a long time, and he was old, "Seven years ago, the Sandeyan Desert was populated by nearly a hundred-and-fifty scattered tribes. Within five-and-twenty kilometers one could find several different languages, religions, and cultures. Each clan regularly went to war with one another, tolerance was unheared of, and trade was zilch.

Now however, we are united. My people are unified under one language, one religion, one currencey, one ruler. No longer do we make war with one another. Where once the average lifespan of a Sandeyan was five-amd-twenty years, now it is fifty years. Our quality of life has improved in peace.

To see such a thing happen on a much larger scale: that is my dream, my monarch's dream, and my peoples' dream. And that is why I pleadge my alleigance to this senate and its ideals."

Wheezing and breathing rapidly, Sharpeye sat down.
Astral Romia
14-01-2006, 01:59
The Romian Prime Minister Montir Perdamon watched the original transmission from Thrashia with interest. He discussed it with some of his advisors and decided upon sending a representative to this council. Harucen Glomi, one of the Prime Minister's closest advisors, personally volunteered to be sent as the representative. Before long, he was sent on his way to the space station Liberty and a transmission was sent to inform the Thrashians of his arrival.

Romians are known to take their time in everything they do, including space travel. By the time Harucen had arrived, he found that the meeting had already begun. He took the seat that had been prepared for him.

(OOC: If I skipped ahead too much let me know. I just thought you wanted to save time so I pretended you had already greeted my character and showed him his seat.)
The Serene Death
14-01-2006, 12:07
"I'm sorry if my words have come out wrong, I did not mean to say this was a non-agression pact. I ment that by joining, members pledge to end hostilities. Let me try to restate the second point:
2. All members to this council shall be subject to a non-aggression pact with each other to end any and all hostilites amongst each other. Our nation members are asked to fully forget such pretentions or aims as to the destruction of another member nation. Civil War of the Universe is all that ensues from such adventures; it is a waste in people, resources, and time; and the fruits of such labors are bitter-sweet at best."

The diplomat rubs his chin and stares at the Aust representaive for a moment before continuing.

"My nation will not be party to a free trade agreement. However, it seems your nation will not be party to an agreement which doesn't include free trade. I believe there is a way around this. The creation of a free trade pact within the foundation of this organization could work out our differences. Lets see how this goes:

3. All members of this council are party to the <council name> General Tariff Agreement, which reduces all tariffs between members to no more than 10% of the trade item's value. A member may have lower terriffs, or stop trade both partially or completely between another member.
3a. A free trade zone will be created amongst all members who so wish to join it to better strengthen the economy and community of this council. Those who consent to the <council name> Free Trade Zone will have free trade amongst each other, and will be under the provisions of the <councl name> General Tariff Agreement for trade with members not party to the <council name> Free Trade Zone.
3b. Upon joining the council, all member nations shall submit a list of items which cannot be imported to their nation. This is to lessen the chance of a trade incident by allowing all members to be aware of such information.
3c. This information, along will the signatures of all members of the <council name> Free Trade Zone will be listed in a paralell document know as the <council name> Trade Document at the time of this council's founding. Making changes to the trade document will be the job of the council's administrator, and will not require council approval."

The diplomat sits down and takes a breath. "There, that should allow all nations to have trade as they want it between each other. Those who join the free trade zone can allow free trade to all members simply by reducing their tariffs to 0%, and this will still allow those who are not members of the FTZ to keep the level of trade they want. I've added the "do not import" clause because many nations have things they do not want imported such as drugs, weapons, certain hazardous materials, and other such things for various concerns. The Trade Document is just so that the main founding document will not be cluttered up and needed to be updated all the time to keep it up to date on all our nation's economic standings will each other. The council's administrator can do that without the hassle of having to put it up to a vote every time there is a slight change."
Aust
14-01-2006, 19:25
"I'm sorry if my words have come out wrong, I did not mean to say this was a non-agression pact. I ment that by joining, members pledge to end hostilities. Let me try to restate the second point:
2. All members to this council shall be subject to a non-aggression pact with each other to end any and all hostilites amongst each other. Our nation members are asked to fully forget such pretentions or aims as to the destruction of another member nation. Civil War of the Universe is all that ensues from such adventures; it is a waste in people, resources, and time; and the fruits of such labors are bitter-sweet at best."

The diplomat rubs his chin and stares at the Aust representaive for a moment before continuing.

"My nation will not be party to a free trade agreement. However, it seems your nation will not be party to an agreement which doesn't include free trade. I believe there is a way around this. The creation of a free trade pact within the foundation of this organization could work out our differences. Lets see how this goes:

3. All members of this council are party to the <council name> General Tariff Agreement, which reduces all tariffs between members to no more than 10% of the trade item's value. A member may have lower terriffs, or stop trade both partially or completely between another member.
3a. A free trade zone will be created amongst all members who so wish to join it to better strengthen the economy and community of this council. Those who consent to the <council name> Free Trade Zone will have free trade amongst each other, and will be under the provisions of the <councl name> General Tariff Agreement for trade with members not party to the <council name> Free Trade Zone.
3b. Upon joining the council, all member nations shall submit a list of items which cannot be imported to their nation. This is to lessen the chance of a trade incident by allowing all members to be aware of such information.
3c. This information, along will the signatures of all members of the <council name> Free Trade Zone will be listed in a paralell document know as the <council name> Trade Document at the time of this council's founding. Making changes to the trade document will be the job of the council's administrator, and will not require council approval."

The diplomat sits down and takes a breath. "There, that should allow all nations to have trade as they want it between each other. Those who join the free trade zone can allow free trade to all members simply by reducing their tariffs to 0%, and this will still allow those who are not members of the FTZ to keep the level of trade they want. I've added the "do not import" clause because many nations have things they do not want imported such as drugs, weapons, certain hazardous materials, and other such things for various concerns. The Trade Document is just so that the main founding document will not be cluttered up and needed to be updated all the time to keep it up to date on all our nation's economic standings will each other. The council's administrator can do that without the hassle of having to put it up to a vote every time there is a slight change."
"I feel that would be...adiquet." Wilhelm replied.
Thrashia
15-01-2006, 19:52
"Indeed that would be agreeable. However, perhaps a change of wording? Instead of "non-agression pact" which is often mis-understood, as the represenative from the Martian Settlers has shown, you could say: "a state of non-agression". Then there is no allusion that the Intergalacitc Unified Senate is a simple run of the mill NAP," said Treize.
The Serene Death
16-01-2006, 01:11
"That would be all well and good. This is simply semantics we can work out once we finish with adding what we want and need in this organization. What else do we need?"

OOC: looking at the downtime this forum has had lately, an offsite forum for internal work would be a good idea
Sandeya
16-01-2006, 02:50
OOC: So what will this involve, technicaly? Will the Senate have an on-site region, or will we have an off-site forum? Or both?
I restate my question. If we are making a region here, I'm not moving Sandeya to it. Perhaps, however, I could found a nation called "The Dominion of Senator Sharpeye" and put it there.
The Serene Death
16-01-2006, 06:46
OOC: We're not making a region. This will be across regions, ideologies and species. We just need to decide if we will make an off-site forum for discussions while all our actions will be on this forum, or if all our actions and discussions will be done on this forum.
Chronosia
16-01-2006, 06:47
OOC: Offsite forum sounds good; and like what we need
Thrashia
16-01-2006, 09:08
OOC: Yes, an off-site forum will be created for the purpose.
Sandeya
16-01-2006, 18:15
OOC: Offsite discussion sounds good. However, I suppose we should have our actuall actions posted on the NS International Incidents. This would give us our private discussions, but when the Senate actually acted, other nations would be able to interact.
Thrashia
16-01-2006, 18:22
OOC: Offsite discussion sounds good. However, I suppose we should have our actuall actions posted on the NS International Incidents. This would give us our private discussions, but when the Senate actually acted, other nations would be able to interact.

OOC: That is indeed what I intend. It will take me a few days before I am able to. School and all is getting heavy.
Jeshand
16-01-2006, 19:13
An elderly man, his face wrinkled and his head shaved except for a white topknot heaved himself to his feet. "My name is Couladin, and I speak for the Jeshandi.The clans shall join this...group. However, I have some questions. Where will this organization be headquartered? It must be somewhere strong and defensible, so if it can hold out should the worst happen. Yet if it were based on a member's world, that world should not be too definsible so if said member is tempted to sieze it, they cannot hold it from us."

OOC: I thought Treize Kushrenada was an advocate of unity and peace by force, while Zex Marquis advocated unity peace by tragedy.
Aust
16-01-2006, 19:48
OOC: off sight forum would be good, we can set up a proper organisation there. We need to get some of the more senior nations together to draw up a contrutuion, as of the moment we ahve a few small agreements but no real structure. I'd say each senior nation (Decided on which basis I don't know, posts? Experience? Population) has three or 4 weeks as Senate leader. Then it passes onto the next nation. We'd have a senior council to deal with crisis quickly and easly and a general senate to pass laws/smaller issues that don't need to be acted on quickly. I'd also say that a group of commited senior nations would be in charge of recruitment.

This is absed, basically, upon the old RWC structure, that worked well until the allince fell to peices after the threat of NATO passed. The only diffrence is that we had one leader (Guffingford), 2 vice-presidents (Myself and The Macbees), they made the quick decisions. Then you had the recruitment wing (Headed by myself), the intellagence wing (Hgosweat) and a general council.
Germanische Zustande
16-01-2006, 19:53
In recent centuries, the UFGZ has found itself at war with many larger nations, and at times, two of the largest alliances ever known to the universe. We have rallied to the banners of our allies, and our allies have rallied to our banner. Great and glorious were those battles of old, and though there may have been no clear victor, our nation has always stood against those who would seek more power.

We do not wish to join this alliance at this time, however, we wish to extend to your organization as a whole, an offer of friendship. In not so many words, an Alliance.

The Alliance would be in its essence a Mutual Defense Pact, as the UFGZ at this time cannot trade with outside entities, and above all, wishes not to be held to any sort of all-encompassing legal code. We do not act rashly and honorlessly, and we have our own moral and ethical codes. Be assured we will not cross you, however, we simply do not like restrictions.

We hope that a relationship between our parties can be cultivated, and await your decision.

-Signed,

Yohanne Schutgart,
Chancellor of the UFGZ,
Atheos Prime
Telepany
16-01-2006, 22:28
OOC: off sight forum would be good, we can set up a proper organisation there. We need to get some of the more senior nations together to draw up a contrutuion, as of the moment we ahve a few small agreements but no real structure. I'd say each senior nation (Decided on which basis I don't know, posts? Experience? Population) has three or 4 weeks as Senate leader. Then it passes onto the next nation. We'd have a senior council to deal with crisis quickly and easly and a general senate to pass laws/smaller issues that don't need to be acted on quickly. I'd also say that a group of commited senior nations would be in charge of recruitment.

This is absed, basically, upon the old RWC structure, that worked well until the allince fell to peices after the threat of NATO passed. The only diffrence is that we had one leader (Guffingford), 2 vice-presidents (Myself and The Macbees), they made the quick decisions. Then you had the recruitment wing (Headed by myself), the intellagence wing (Hgosweat) and a general council.

OOC: With the way that this senate is seeming to turn out, a leader would not be needed except in the event of another large entity attacking it. The senate seems to be (at this stage) more interesetd on working on peaceful issues like trade. However, since it probably will be attacked in the future we should have something set up so when it happens we could resopnd promptly.
Sandeya
17-01-2006, 00:02
OOC: With the way that this senate is seeming to turn out, a leader would not be needed except in the event of another large entity attacking it. The senate seems to be (at this stage) more interesetd on working on peaceful issues like trade. However, since it probably will be attacked in the future we should have something set up so when it happens we could resopnd promptly.
Perhaps when the Senate as a whole is under attack, we could vote on a nation to be the "President." The President would make desicions necessary for victory until the war is over.
Germanische Zustande
17-01-2006, 04:54
Perhaps when the Senate as a whole is under attack, we could vote on a nation to be the "President." The President would make desicions necessary for victory until the war is over.

As an observer, I would simply like to point out that this same thinking led to Palpatine's eventual rise to power.
The Serene Death
17-01-2006, 05:18
We are trying to make a new organization, not copy old ones. I believe the best would be to have one person as the president, elected by the other members. The president is only an secretarial role during peacetime, making sure everything is in order and taking care of votes and new memberships. During wartime he is in charge of military organization and operations or all members who join the operations.

During need for a judicial trial or adjucation, the president picks 3 of the senior members (whatever those are) to oversee the trial or adjucation. The president does not declare war, but carries out the will of the organization's members and helps lead it. When the council calls for the end of hostilities, the president stops the military actions. All major acts must be run through the council/senate.

Organs such as head of intel and head of recruitment can be useful, but are not neccessary with small organizations. If this organization grows, then such positions may be useful. The position of vice-president is likewise not needed.
Thrashia
17-01-2006, 09:35
We are trying to make a new organization, not copy old ones. I believe the best would be to have one person as the president, elected by the other members. The president is only an secretarial role during peacetime, making sure everything is in order and taking care of votes and new memberships. During wartime he is in charge of military organization and operations or all members who join the operations.

During need for a judicial trial or adjucation, the president picks 3 of the senior members (whatever those are) to oversee the trial or adjucation. The president does not declare war, but carries out the will of the organization's members and helps lead it. When the council calls for the end of hostilities, the president stops the military actions. All major acts must be run through the council/senate.

Organs such as head of intel and head of recruitment can be useful, but are not neccessary with small organizations. If this organization grows, then such positions may be useful. The position of vice-president is likewise not needed.


Such is why I created the post of Speaker, who is a figure head of the Senate, handling things for the Senate as you said. But in times of war, another is elected to take the post of Consul. Like the old Roman Senate. Except we have no Legions for that Consul to march across the Rubicon.
Aust
17-01-2006, 18:21
Clever, I admire you Thrash!
Libratonia
17-01-2006, 18:34
The states of Libratonia are weak, currently, having had no need for the military for 1046 years. The Government is trying to recruit tech-mages for the newly-formed Libratonian Armed Forces - wait, it's now Pepsi Presents: Libratonian Armed Forces - but the presence of an army is uncomforting for a significant minority of the populace, resulting in a shortage of men.

In short: Libratonia badly needs the protection that only a Galactic Senate can provide. Our senator - Chester Elegante - is on his way to the Space Station.
Libratonia
17-01-2006, 18:35
The states of Libratonia are weak, currently, having had no need for the military for 1046 years. The Government is trying to recruit tech-mages for the newly-formed Libratonian Armed Forces - wait, it's now Pepsi Presents: Libratonian Armed Forces - but the presence of an army is uncomforting for a significant minority of the populace, resulting in a shortage of men.

In short: Libratonia badly needs the protection that only a Galactic Senate can provide. Our senator - Chester Elegante - is on his way to the Space Station.
The Serene Death
17-01-2006, 20:37
Such is why I created the post of Speaker, who is a figure head of the Senate, handling things for the Senate as you said. But in times of war, another is elected to take the post of Consul. Like the old Roman Senate. Except we have no Legions for that Consul to march across the Rubicon.
And the legions would come from member nations. It would work fine that way.
Chronosia
17-01-2006, 20:42
A half-hidden chuckle brazenly echoing. "The Imperium has legions to march across the galaxy already; we would be happy to contribute at least some men at arms towards a standing Senatorial Military; we even have access to the cloning facilities of Empire and Imperium. We suggest that a bill be put forward for the formation and maintaining of a standing Senatorial Military force; with technology and soldiers from member states."
Telepany
17-01-2006, 20:49
Such is why I created the post of Speaker, who is a figure head of the Senate, handling things for the Senate as you said. But in times of war, another is elected to take the post of Consul. Like the old Roman Senate. Except we have no Legions for that Consul to march across the Rubicon.

One thing that we need to be clear on now is in the event of a war dose each nation retain control of its military, or are our collective miltaries going to be all under one "Senate Admiral". Foresight is a good thing, especially aginst the inevitable.
The Serene Death
17-01-2006, 21:16
"A standing army would not be needed. What is an army for? Taking and keeping territory. This senate is not in the business of doing that. We are here to defend our own territory, and so only need to call up a military when we are threatened."
Astral Romia
18-01-2006, 00:28
"Romia's military is not large, as it comprises of less than one tenth of one percent of our population. We may not be able to contribute large ammounts of troops to the Senate's defensive military endeavors, but we will contribute what we can. Our fleets are much larger in comparison because they require less crew than most other ships their size. Also, Romia has an automated star system defense array that we can share with other Senate members to provide better protection."
Sandeya
18-01-2006, 03:26
As an observer, I would simply like to point out that this same thinking led to Palpatine's eventual rise to power.
Ya, but that was fictional. This is...wait. No! This IS fictional!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aust
20-01-2006, 17:20
"Aust would contrabute men, say around 100 legions, to the senates armies, should a war come about. However we are not the most technically advanced of peoples, despite our numbers. WE don;'t see why a standing army would be needed unless the sanate came under attack.
Thrashia
20-01-2006, 18:52
"Indeed my dear friend, a standing army is something we the Senate shall not even consider. To do so would cross the line which we set in establishing a universal peace effort. No, the Senate shall have no such army onto itself."

"I now ask perhaps that we decide on the points in the Charter we will write up."
Aust
20-01-2006, 22:47
"First we must decided upon an organisational structure, then move onto the charter itself."
United Earthlings
20-01-2006, 23:30
Using all forms of communications a message was sent out to the nations of the galaxy, using a translator for those nations whose languages were different from that of old earth English, or Basic. A man appeared on screens and hologram projectors everywhere.

The man smiled. He was tall and handsome, bright blue eyes, matching that of his immaculate uniform, trimmed with golden cuffs and pips. A half cape lay over his left shoulder.

“Gentlemen, leaders, emperors, nations of the galaxy, a time of final retribution has come to the face of the intergalactic community. A time has come to put aside such follies that the past has shown.

“Wars between rival nations and alliances have plagued the galaxy with dissension and endless bickering over those possessions or ideals they claim to have. Their own designs and agendas have caused for those wars to see the end of countless billions of peoples. The time has come to end that.

“I am a representative on behalf of Emperor Octavius Shadaum IV, ruler of the United Empire of Thrashia. In the near past our own nation attempted to destroy the totalitarian alliance known as the Galactic Empire and its leading evils. Our attempt was however unsuccessful, and we were forced to abandon our home system. Our allies, though valiant in their efforts to help us, were equally unsuccessful. In the end our attempt at rectifying the mistakes of the nation Unified Sith, and its leader Palpatine, failed; the attempt to recreate the Galactic Senate, in hopes of making a lasting peace for ourselves and for the galaxy did not bear fruit.

“However those aims were stopped. And now that once self proclaimed unifying force of the Galactic Federation has fallen to the dictatorship of Emperor Remiel of the Imperium of Chronosia.

“Thrashia was once part of the alliance known as the Galactic Empire, and is now presently involved in such alliances as the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances among others. The failings of these alliances are bereft of claim to the justice and security they claim to keep. Therefore the Emperor Shadaum has given thought to a new beginning, a new beginning that will be a dawn of an era of unparalleled peace and prosperity to the galaxy nations.

“The Emperor has then decided to form one final alliance, one final joining of nations that shall end all others. The Intergalactic Unified Senate, an alliance for all nations of the galaxy. A Senate bound to the ideals of peace and unity where all nations who join will be equal. Where protection of those who are weak shall be the banner for the cause against those who would threaten the peace of our galaxy, without such, the times and era of the galaxy shall simply retake the steps and paths that were once taken in the past that caused all the wars and pain and loss of that past,” said the man. The man pushed aside a lock of hair that had fallen into his eyes, and then looked back into the camera screen.

“In hopes that you as the leaders of the nations of the galaxy will join, the Emperor has designated an area of neutral space where a space station has been placed. One that shall be the first grounds for where the bringing together of nations shall begin. We make clear that no prerequisites to joining in these opening talks, those nations that are simply interested are of course welcome and are hoped that they will be satisfied with what they see and hear.”

The man nodded in farewell. “To the continued prosperity of the galaxy,” he said. The signal cut, and the image disappeared.

Space Station Liberty's location: Fifth Quadrant, 2nd Sector, unclaimed space.

Replying to the message recieved just a few days ago, The Governor-General of the Democratic-Republic of United Earthlings, Winston Spearhead replys- "While we understand the need for peace- most nations do not understand what peace is and only understand the power of force. As such we find this whole idea of a peaceful galatic senate a useless cause- but our civilization is always interested in anyway in maintaining peace, while we agree to support the formation of this senate we do not agree to support it should it come under attack which were sure will be sooner or later. As such, we won't be sending anyone- however we will keep in touch and keep track of the happens. We wish all nations involved the best of luck and peace and prosperity."

End Transmission
SeaQuest
21-01-2006, 23:09
A half-hidden chuckle brazenly echoing. "The Imperium has legions to march across the galaxy already; we would be happy to contribute at least some men at arms towards a standing Senatorial Military; we even have access to the cloning facilities of Empire and Imperium. We suggest that a bill be put forward for the formation and maintaining of a standing Senatorial Military force; with technology and soldiers from member states."

"I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on part of that," replied the SeaQuestian delegate, "I would think it would not be in a nation's best interest if technology was shared only to find its way into the hands of a deadly enemy for use against the nation that first shared it. That would be unacceptable in my book."
The Serene Death
24-01-2006, 04:59
"I believe that we do not need to share technologies. Also we have the form of this organization. A forum led by an majority vote, an administrator elected by majority, a military leader elected by majority during a time of war. What else do we need?"
Telepany
25-01-2006, 00:32
"I believe that we do not need to share technologies. Also we have the form of this organization. A forum led by an majority vote, an administrator elected by majority, a military leader elected by majority during a time of war. What else do we need?"

I agree with Serene Death except we need to decide, if in a time of war, do our fleets come under one command or do wee retain control of our fleets?
Thrashia
25-01-2006, 08:10
"Indeed, gentlemen. Perhaps at a time when we need not fear our fellows and are better ready to accept the peace which we will work to, may we share our technology with one another for the betterment of all," said Treize. He turned to the represenative from the Serene Death.

"I ask perhaps if you sir will draw up a rough-draft of what we have said and discussed here. Once done, we will revise it as a whole and perhaps be able to define the Charter."
The Serene Death
25-01-2006, 09:11
Treaties
1. This organization is not a mutual defense pact. Members are not required to join in the defense of each other. However, members are encouraged to help each other in times of need.
2. All members to this council shall be subject to a state of non-aggression with each other to end any and all hostilities amongst each other. Our nation members are asked to fully forget such pretensions or aims as to the destruction of another member nation. Civil War of the universe is all that ensues from such adventures; it is a waste in people, resources, and time; and the fruits of such labors are bitter-sweet at best.
3. All members of this council are party to the <council name> General Tariff Agreement, which reduces all tariffs between members to no more than 10% of the trade item's value. A member may have lower tariffs, or stop trade both partially or completely between another member.
3a. A free trade zone will be created amongst all members who so wish to join it to better strengthen the economy and community of this council. Those who consent to the <council name> Free Trade Zone will have free trade amongst each other, and will be under the provisions of the <council name> General Tariff Agreement for trade with members not party to the <council name> Free Trade Zone.
3b. Upon joining the assembly, all member nations shall submit a list of items which cannot be imported to their nation. This is to lessen the chance of a trade incident by allowing all members to be aware of such information.
3c. This information, along will the signatures of all members of the <council name> Free Trade Zone will be listed in a parallel document know as the <council name> Trade Document at the time of this council's founding. Making changes to the trade document will be the job of the council's administrator, and will not require assembly approval.

Structure
1. Every member of this organization will be a member of the Assembly, and will have 1 vote on all matters brought before the assembled nations.
2. The members will elect a Speaker by majority vote, who will be the administrator of the organization. He will make sure all documents are up to date and will run all votes as well as the day to day work of the organization.
3. In a time when the members of the Assembly decide to fight together, they shall elect by majority vote a Consul, which will lead all of the forces summoned by the members of the Assembly. He may lead them as a united force, or may divide them as he sees fit.
4. All votes are to be carried out by majority vote after all sides have been heard on an issue. All votes passed in such fashion are not binding.
4a. To add an Amendment to this document, a super-majority of 80% must be reached in order to add the amendment to the document. All Amendments are binding to the organization.
The Serene Death
25-01-2006, 09:12
"While writing this, I decided that coucil or senate are too over-used, and so chose Assembly as a term which I believe is more appropriate and will fit any size or type of group we have here. Also, I think it may be a good name for the orgnaization. Possibly just 'The Assembly' or 'Assembly of Systems' or something of that nature."
Aust
25-01-2006, 17:25
"Aust concurs with the above treaty and would be glad to sign it, should others retify it."
Telepany
25-01-2006, 20:15
Treaties
1. This organization is not a mutual defense pact. Members are not required to join in the defense of each other. However, members are encouraged to help each other in times of need.
2. All members to this council shall be subject to a state of non-aggression with each other to end any and all hostilities amongst each other. Our nation members are asked to fully forget such pretensions or aims as to the destruction of another member nation. Civil War of the universe is all that ensues from such adventures; it is a waste in people, resources, and time; and the fruits of such labors are bitter-sweet at best.
3. All members of this council are party to the <council name> General Tariff Agreement, which reduces all tariffs between members to no more than 10% of the trade item's value. A member may have lower tariffs, or stop trade both partially or completely between another member.
3a. A free trade zone will be created amongst all members who so wish to join it to better strengthen the economy and community of this council. Those who consent to the <council name> Free Trade Zone will have free trade amongst each other, and will be under the provisions of the <council name> General Tariff Agreement for trade with members not party to the <council name> Free Trade Zone.
3b. Upon joining the assembly, all member nations shall submit a list of items which cannot be imported to their nation. This is to lessen the chance of a trade incident by allowing all members to be aware of such information.
3c. This information, along will the signatures of all members of the <council name> Free Trade Zone will be listed in a parallel document know as the <council name> Trade Document at the time of this council's founding. Making changes to the trade document will be the job of the council's administrator, and will not require assembly approval.

Structure
1. Every member of this organization will be a member of the Assembly, and will have 1 vote on all matters brought before the assembled nations.
2. The members will elect a Speaker by majority vote, who will be the administrator of the organization. He will make sure all documents are up to date and will run all votes as well as the day to day work of the organization.
3. In a time when the members of the Assembly decide to fight together, they shall elect by majority vote a Consul, which will lead all of the forces summoned by the members of the Assembly. He may lead them as a united force, or may divide them as he sees fit.
4. All votes are to be carried out by majority vote after all sides have been heard on an issue. All votes passed in such fashion are not binding.
4a. To add an Amendment to this document, a super-majority of 80% must be reached in order to add the amendment to the document. All Amendments are binding to the organization.


The Star Kingdom of Telepany would be willing to join this Assembly if the following issues we cleared up.

1. If the member nations are not required to defend each other, where dose the consul come in?
2. In the event that we miss something in the list of contraband for our nation, do we re-sumit another or are we out of luck?
3. 10% of the trade items value where? On a planet that desperately needs it with a high price? On the world where the merchant came from? Or, the items value where it is to be sold?
4. OOC: There was talk of an off-site forum, will this happen on it, and if so when will it be up?

If these issues were solved we would be happy to join the Assembly
The Serene Death
26-01-2006, 02:11
The Star Kingdom of Telepany would be willing to join this Assembly if the following issues we cleared up.

1. If the member nations are not required to defend each other, where dose the consul come in?
2. In the event that we miss something in the list of contraband for our nation, do we re-sumit another or are we out of luck?
3. 10% of the trade items value where? On a planet that desperately needs it with a high price? On the world where the merchant came from? Or, the items value where it is to be sold?
4. OOC: There was talk of an off-site forum, will this happen on it, and if so when will it be up?

If these issues were solved we would be happy to join the Assembly

"Hmm....let me rewrite a few of those....

To your first concern:
Structure
3. In a time when the members of the Assembly decide to fight together, they shall elect by majority vote a Consul, which will lead all of the forces summoned by the members of the Assembly. He may lead them as a united force, or may divide them as he sees fit.
3a. When the Assembly decides to fight to defend itself or its members, every member will send a list of forces and other aid it is sending to help the efforts. All this aid will be under the control of the Consul to do as he sees fit.
3b. A member may choose to send no aid to the combined forces and aid under the control of the Consul. No member may aid the enemies of the Assembly.

As for your second:
Treaties
3b. Upon joining the assembly, all member nations shall submit a list of items which cannot be imported to their nation. This is to lessen the chance of a trade incident by allowing all members to be aware of such information. This list may be updated or removed at any time by the member sending a message to the Speaker outlining the changes.

And for your third I think this would be appropriate:
3. All members of this council are party to the <council name> General Tariff Agreement, which reduces all tariffs between members to no more than 10% of the trade item's average value within the nation they are entering. A member may have lower tariffs, or stop trade both partially or completely between another member.

There, if a trade item is normally worth 50 of whatever kind of money you use, then the tariff for it can be no more than 5 of that money. But if the price jumps to 150, then the tariff can be up to 15. I am not an economist, but this seems simple and fair enough for all of us. My nation normally requires a fair trade agreement with other nations, but we believe we need to do this to further along this organization."

(OOC: thanks for catching all that, i was rushing to do that in the middle of the night. As for #4, I think we should set it up as soon as we finallize this, if not before it. Thrashia started this whole thing, maybe he should open up the forum :P )
Telepany
26-01-2006, 11:08
"Hmm....let me rewrite a few of those....

To your first concern:
Structure
3. In a time when the members of the Assembly decide to fight together, they shall elect by majority vote a Consul, which will lead all of the forces summoned by the members of the Assembly. He may lead them as a united force, or may divide them as he sees fit.
3a. When the Assembly decides to fight to defend itself or its members, every member will send a list of forces and other aid it is sending to help the efforts. All this aid will be under the control of the Consul to do as he sees fit.
3b. A member may choose to send no aid to the combined forces and aid under the control of the Consul. No member may aid the enemies of the Assembly.

As for your second:
Treaties
3b. Upon joining the assembly, all member nations shall submit a list of items which cannot be imported to their nation. This is to lessen the chance of a trade incident by allowing all members to be aware of such information. This list may be updated or removed at any time by the member sending a message to the Speaker outlining the changes.

And for your third I think this would be appropriate:
3. All members of this council are party to the <council name> General Tariff Agreement, which reduces all tariffs between members to no more than 10% of the trade item's average value within the nation they are entering. A member may have lower tariffs, or stop trade both partially or completely between another member.

There, if a trade item is normally worth 50 of whatever kind of money you use, then the tariff for it can be no more than 5 of that money. But if the price jumps to 150, then the tariff can be up to 15. I am not an economist, but this seems simple and fair enough for all of us. My nation normally requires a fair trade agreement with other nations, but we believe we need to do this to further along this organization."

(OOC: thanks for catching all that, i was rushing to do that in the middle of the night. As for #4, I think we should set it up as soon as we finallize this, if not before it. Thrashia started this whole thing, maybe he should open up the forum :P )

Thank you for clearing that up, the Star Kingdom of Telepany will join this Assembly.
OOC: no problem on catching those things, I'm good at spotting problems before they occur.
Chronosia
26-01-2006, 13:27
"A pity that you do not see the merit of our ideals; rooted in defence and survival as they are. We are, rather competant at it." A smirk, soft and teasing. "The Imperium unconditionally reserves it's right to command of it's own forces. Too tumultous and-" pausing; letting eyes drift in searing glare at the Seaquestrian delegate "-Treacherous are the times; that the Imperium shall not let it's fleets and armies slip into the command of another. In these days when peace is cast aside like dust; when treaties are smote by fools and weaklings."
Aust
26-01-2006, 17:47
"A pity that you do not see the merit of our ideals; rooted in defence and survival as they are. We are, rather competant at it." A smirk, soft and teasing. "The Imperium unconditionally reserves it's right to command of it's own forces. Too tumultous and-" pausing; letting eyes drift in searing glare at the Seaquestrian delegate "-Treacherous are the times; that the Imperium shall not let it's fleets and armies slip into the command of another. In these days when peace is cast aside like dust; when treaties are smote by fools and weaklings."
"i balive that every nation here si competant at defending itself. Aust has never lost a war, though we have forght nations like Automagfreek and Phalnix. We have been invade, yes, but never defeated. I preopose that although overall command is given to a representive, the consul, for stratigic positionings, ect, the command of the actual troops is from that of there natuion. For instance Uatsian troops will be commanded by a Austian general, but positioned by the Consul. The consul just decideds stratagy and will be assisted by the generals."
Emperor Palpatine II
26-01-2006, 23:32
Admiral Khan stood up after having sat silent for the entire time. "I on behalf of my system would support this new charter and the United Assembly it claims to uphold. Such an ideal has merits." Khan glanced at the Chronosian embassador.

"And like those who are in agreement, I will not have my armies under the command of another. But as the young man said, perhaps the Consul will be in strategic command, but not in reality able to order troops of individual nations, more like a military advisor to the united armies of the Assembly." Khan sat down.
The Serene Death
27-01-2006, 06:11
"How about this rewrite of the section that seems to to bothering everyone:

3. In a time when the members of the Assembly decide to fight together, they shall elect by majority vote a Consul, which will lead all of the forces summoned by the members of the Assembly. Will lead the overall strategy of the combined forces, but will allow individual tactics to be left up to the military leaders of the individual nations.

does that suit your nations?"
Aust
27-01-2006, 17:52
"I feel that would be adiquate." William answered.
Dweladelfia prime
27-01-2006, 19:46
Do we have a forum yet?
Telepany
27-01-2006, 19:57
Why is everyone so fired up about the consuls power? This Assembly is little more than a non-aggression and low-tariff pact with a free trade pact being highly suggested. We have to vote to decide if we are going to go to war with an outside entity even if we're under attack as individuals or as a group. So can anyone tell me why we are bitching about the consuls power if were not going to accept some of Chronosias suggestions and be much more than a group of nations that can't fight one another?
The Serene Death
27-01-2006, 23:58
"Because in the case that we decide to fight as a collective, we do not want to be squabling over how everything is run when we should be planning and carrying out attacks."

OOC: if we have a forum, we should finalize this treaty, all sign it, and then carry the organization over to the new forum.
Astral Romia
28-01-2006, 03:40
"With the addition of the mentioned revisions, the charter looks perfect for an organization like the one we are planning. It has my support." Harucen turned to the diplomat from Serene Death. "Thank you for drafting this for us."
Aust
28-01-2006, 10:30
OOC: Hows the forum coming on Thrash, any good?
The Serene Death
28-01-2006, 12:11
"Since we're all in agreeance over the wordings, I would like to submit this as the final version to found The Assembly. I have changed section 1 of Structure to make it more clear how discussions and votes are carried out, but otherwise the rest of the document remains what we have agreed upon above:

The Assembly

Treaties
1. This organization is not a mutual defense pact. Members are not required to join in the defense of each other. However, members are encouraged to help each other in times of need.
2. All members to this assembly shall be subject to a state of non-aggression with each other to end any and all hostilities amongst each other. Our nation members are asked to fully forget such pretensions or aims as to the destruction of another member nation. Civil War of the universe is all that ensues from such adventures; it is a waste in people, resources, and time; and the fruits of such labors are bitter-sweet at best.
3. All members of this assembly are party to the Assembly General Tariff Agreement, which reduces all tariffs between members to no more than 10% of the trade item's average value within the nation they are entering. A member may have lower tariffs, or stop trade both partially or completely between another member.
3a. A free trade zone will be created amongst all members who so wish to join it to better strengthen the economy and community of this council. Those who consent to the Assembly Free Trade Zone will have free trade amongst each other, and will be under the provisions of the Assembly General Tariff Agreement for trade with members not party to the Assembly Free Trade Zone.
3b. Upon joining the assembly, all member nations shall submit a list of items which cannot be imported to their nation. This is to lessen the chance of a trade incident by allowing all members to be aware of such information. This list may be updated or removed at any time by the member sending a message to the Speaker outlining the changes.
3c. This information, along will the signatures of all members of the Assembly Free Trade Zone will be listed in a parallel document know as the Assembly Trade Document at the time of this council's founding. Making changes to the trade document will be the job of the council's administrator, and will not require assembly approval.

Structure
1. Every member of this organization will be a member of the Assembly, which discusses and votes on all issues before the Assembly.
1a. All members will have 1 vote on all matters brought before the assembled nations.
1b. All members will be able to submit disscussions and votes to the Assembly. A vote must first be submitted to the Speaker, who will then submit it to the Assembly.
2. The members will elect a Speaker by majority vote, who will be the administrator of the organization. He will make sure all documents are up to date and will run all votes as well as the day to day work of the organization.
3. In a time when the members of the Assembly decide to fight together, they shall elect by majority vote a Consul, which will lead all of the forces summoned by the members of the Assembly. Will lead the overall strategy of the combined forces, but will allow individual tactics to be left up to the military leaders of the individual nations.
3a. When the Assembly decides to fight to defend itself or its members, every member will send a list of forces and other aid it is sending to help the efforts. All this aid will be under the control of the Consul to do as he sees fit.
3b. A member may choose to send no aid to the combined forces and aid under the control of the Consul. No member may aid the enemies of the Assembly.4. All votes are to be carried out by majority vote after all sides have been heard on an issue. All votes passed in such fashion are not binding.
4a. To add an Amendment to this document, a super-majority of 80% must be reached in order to add the amendment to the document. All Amendments are binding to the organization.
Thrashia
28-01-2006, 16:06
ooc: forum is so far a no-go. Job is pretty busy right now, so give me some slack.

IC:

Treize nodded to the man of Serene Death. "Indeed, I am quite satisfied with your draft, but perhaps we can add something?" Treize waved his arm in an encomposing way across the room from his vantage of standing at the podium.

"Each of us here are trying to establish the birth of an unprecidented organization. One that is not bent on war or under the dictatorship of a single large nation. Rather we are united in this by our wish for peace. A peace that will hopefully spread. I ask that perhaps instead of simply being called "The Assembly" we call this group of esteemed nations, The United Assembly. To express how the nations within it are not under a hierarchy but all equal in our effort in being here."
Sandeya
28-01-2006, 16:50
IC:


"Each of us here are trying to establish the birth of an unprecidented organization. One that is not bent on war or under the dictatorship of a single large nation. Rather we are united in this by our wish for peace. A peace that will hopefully spread. I ask that perhaps instead of simply being called "The Assembly" we call this group of esteemed nations, The United Assembly. To express how the nations within it are not under a hierarchy but all equal in our effort in being here."
IC: "That makes sense." said Sharpeye simpley.
OOC:Then a region filled with our puppet nations?
Telepany
28-01-2006, 18:51
ooc: forum is so far a no-go. Job is pretty busy right now, so give me some slack.

IC:

Treize nodded to the man of Serene Death. "Indeed, I am quite satisfied with your draft, but perhaps we can add something?" Treize waved his arm in an encomposing way across the room from his vantage of standing at the podium.

"Each of us here are trying to establish the birth of an unprecidented organization. One that is not bent on war or under the dictatorship of a single large nation. Rather we are united in this by our wish for peace. A peace that will hopefully spread. I ask that perhaps instead of simply being called "The Assembly" we call this group of esteemed nations, The United Assembly. To express how the nations within it are not under a hierarchy but all equal in our effort in being here."


In my expirence the less adorned the name the less bs it is.
Aust
28-01-2006, 19:26
"i would agree with the United Assemble, while the name, The Assemply is unadorned and simple this one reflects that we are united, and equal. No one ntion is above another in an essambly."

OOC: Bad luck about the forum.
SeaQuest
28-01-2006, 20:33
"A pity that you do not see the merit of our ideals; rooted in defence and survival as they are. We are, rather competant at it." A smirk, soft and teasing. "The Imperium unconditionally reserves it's right to command of it's own forces. Too tumultous and-" pausing; letting eyes drift in searing glare at the Seaquestrian delegate "-Treacherous are the times; that the Imperium shall not let it's fleets and armies slip into the command of another. In these days when peace is cast aside like dust; when treaties are smote by fools and weaklings."

"Agreed," replied the SeaQuestian delegate, "Peace is a rare commodity these days and is something that we should work for. Trust, like anything else, must come with time.

"On that note, I see nothing wrong with the current 'document' thus far."
SeaQuest
28-01-2006, 20:34
Do we have a forum yet?

OOC: Patience is a virtue. All things come to he who waits.

I'm in a proverb quoting mode right now.
SeaQuest
28-01-2006, 20:36
ooc: forum is so far a no-go. Job is pretty busy right now, so give me some slack.
*Snip*

OOC: Just give the word and I'll take care of it.
Dweladelfia prime
28-01-2006, 20:57
I could help out to.
The Serene Death
28-01-2006, 21:59
OOC: I'll make a free one....give me a minute

EDIT: Done http://s15.invisionfree.com/The_United_Assembly/index.php (http://s15.invisionfree.com/The_United_Assembly/index.php)
Zanarkaand
29-01-2006, 00:36
In the distance, not far from the Liberty Space Station the Pride of Ulrik (http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Imperial_Emperor_Class_Battleship.gif), a Class 3 Imperial Emperor Cruiser of the Space Wolves chapter came out of the warp. The massive vessel slid through space like a silent hunter, coming within hailing distance of the station.


"Captain Logan we have exited the space warp and are in radio distance of the station," said the servator sitting at the helm. Standing behind the servator was the very large, broad shouldered Captain Logan. The captain nodded and stared off into the distance at the space station.

"Open up a transmission connection to the station and alert them on our approach. Tell them we wish to land, bringing our delegate for meeting."

THe servator nodded, swiveled back to the control panel, and beat away at the keys of his station.
Automagfreek
29-01-2006, 02:30
i balive that every nation here si competant at defending itself. Aust has never lost a war, though we have forght nations like Automagfreek and Phalnix. We have been invade, yes, but never defeated.

OOC: To be accurate, we have never directly engaged eachother.
The Black Agents
29-01-2006, 02:40
OOC: I never knew you RPed FT..... when did this happen?
Aust
29-01-2006, 14:37
OOC: To be accurate, we have never directly engaged eachother.
OOC: Point, but we where at war....kinda....then Findan pulled out and it became a sorry mess, still i didn't lose...
Thrashia
29-01-2006, 14:42
OOC: I'll make a free one....give me a minute

EDIT: Done http://s15.invisionfree.com/The_United_Assembly/index.php (http://s15.invisionfree.com/The_United_Assembly/index.php)


ooc: I've registered as 'Thrashia' and I was trying to post up the Charter, but for some reason it said I am not allowed. I would like it if you would provide me with admin status. (I am the founder of this thing afterall)
Sandeya
29-01-2006, 15:02
OOC: Well, now we have that done, so maybye someone should copy-and-paste the United Assembly Charter into the "Documents" part. I tried, but it said there was some sort of error and that I couldn't post in that particular category or something like that.
Thrashia
29-01-2006, 15:08
OOC: Well, now we have that done, so maybye someone should copy-and-paste the United Assembly Charter into the "Documents" part. I tried, but it said there was some sort of error and that I couldn't post in that particular category or something like that.

ooc: same here.
The Serene Death
30-01-2006, 08:13
ooc: I've registered as 'Thrashia' and I was trying to post up the Charter, but for some reason it said I am not allowed. I would like it if you would provide me with admin status. (I am the founder of this thing afterall)
OOC: Woops, sorry about that....made you an admin...I think....
The Serene Death
30-01-2006, 08:24
You may now sign the document in the Documents section.
Thrashia
30-01-2006, 08:57
OOC: Woops, sorry about that....made you an admin...I think....

nope...still just labelled as a "new member" in the group part of my thing.
SeaQuest
30-01-2006, 20:37
nope...still just labelled as a "new member" in the group part of my thing.

OOC: You looking at where it says "Group: " or above the bar section (which I can replace with some cool ass pips if you want) where it gives post count rank?
The Serene Death
31-01-2006, 06:15
nope...still just labelled as a "new member" in the group part of my thing.
OOC: You're a new member until you hit 25 posts....

I gave you the admin permissions, but now I'll make you an admin on the board.
SeaQuest
31-01-2006, 06:22
OOC: Let me know if you want me to put in some pips on the forums (so they don't use the basic Invision rank bar things).
The Serene Death
03-02-2006, 02:15
I have started a nomination for speaker of the Assembly on the board.