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Due to the on-going war with the Shadows, Imperial Command has decided to have a beacon network that can summon our First One allies, the Kirishiac, and perhaps other First One races, designed and built.

OOC: For the purpose of this thread, 1 RL Day = 10 NS years.

Current Project Status: 0%

Developmental Phase has begun.

Current Project Status: 5%

Current Project Status: 10%

Several SeaQuestian representatives have been sent out to locate the remaining First Ones and inform them of this project and its goals.

Current Project Status: 15%

Locations for the beacons are being plotted.

Current Project Status: 20%

Interesting plan. I'm getting a very "post count +1" vibe from this thread, so I thought I'd chime in. Good luck.

Interesting plan. I'm getting a very "post count +1" vibe from this thread, so I thought I'd chime in. Good luck.

Thanks. I just hope it isn't called godmodding when its used as I plan to use it, as a last resort, when one of the beacons is in range of a battle. I will be building some fail-safes in, like, for example, perhaps just have the First One(s) that show up stay for a little while before leaving (as their ships can technically be considered almost 'god' ships compared to those used by most nations on NS (but then, look at the time (billions of years (they were roaming the universe when mammels on Earth were no more than mere rats) the First Ones had to develop their technology).

Current Project Status: 25%

(but then, look at the time (billions of years (they were roaming the universe when mammels on Earth were no more than mere rats) the First Ones had to develop their technology).

With the exception of Lorien's race, most of Babylon 5's first ones would appear to only be millions of years old. Delenn saying things like 'billions of years' seems to be awe and hero worship, rather than actual dating.

With the exception of Lorien's race, most of Babylon 5's first ones would appear to only be millions of years old. Delenn saying things like 'billions of years' seems to be awe and hero worship, rather than actual dating.

OOC: Even still, they could whoop most Star Wars tech nations from this side of yesterday with ease. That is why I am building a time limit into this little Project.

As for the First One races' ages, all we know are that they are old, and that the Shadows and Vorlons are amoung the younger ones (and you saw how destructive their power was; just imagine how much more powerful the older ones are).

OOC: The Shadows are the second oldest race in the galaxy. The Vorlons are probably third (Lorein reffers to one of the First Ones as 'almost as old as the Vorlons' implying that the Vorlons are old, even among First Ones.)

1. *Collapses laughing*

2. What C'tan said. The Shadows and Vorlons are explicitly referred to by Lorien, as the second/ third oldest.

3. The Vorlon Planet Killer needs hours to scorch a planet's surface, and there are survivors.

The Deatstar leaves a cloud of debris, within a second.

While the difference isn't quite as drastic when it comes to normal ships - Where SW does, frankly, suck, 's far as footage is concerned - no, B5 first ones do not whoop SW ass. Lucas' wrists are quite a bit busier than JMS' wrists.

4. *Collapses laughing*

OOC:

@The Ctan: Please cite the episode (season #, episode #, episode name). Its been a few years since a Babylon 5 episode has aired in my area, so I may be a little rusty with a few facts.

@Z ha dum: The Death Stars were psychological warfare weapons. A waste of energy to destroy a planet like that when you can use missiles to turn the crust inside-out (yes, I do have a weapon like that in my arsenal).

OOC:

@The Ctan: Please cite the episode (season #, episode #, episode name). Its been a few years since a Babylon 5 episode has aired in my area, so I may be a little rusty with a few facts.

Season 4, Episode 6, Into the Fire

Lorien: They're almost as old as the Vorlons. They've not spoken to anyone outside their own race for centuries.
Ivanova: But they'll remember you?
Lorien: Oh yes.

@Z ha dum: The Death Stars were psychological warfare weapons.

And the Vorlon and Shadow Planet Killers aren't?

OOC: Ctan, how do you know he wasn't refering to the particular First One they were going to meet at that time?

Thanks for the episode info. I'll see if I can find a copy.

As for your comment on the Shadow and Vorlon Planet Killers, all planet killers and planet destroyers, like the Death Stars, inspire awe and fear of their firepower, that is true. But, the Shadow and Vorlon Planet Killers were not designed from the start to be terror weapons. They were designed to be used and not conquer without firing a shot. You have to remember that the Shadows and Vorlons had different ideals and concepts of war than the Empire. The Shadow and Vorlon planet killers are meant to get the job done and not be a waste of resources. If the Empire wanted an planet slagged without the need of fear, they would use the Base Delta Zero operation with one or more Star Destroyers.

OOC: Ctan, how do you know he wasn't refering to the particular First One they were going to meet at that time?
He was. However, the fact that he finds this worth commenting on, indicates that among the First Ones, the Vorlons are old. If the ones they had been meeting were older than the Vorlons, why would Lorien bother to say that to Ivonova, instead of 'they're even younger than the Vorlons?'
As for your comment on the Shadow and Vorlon Planet Killers, all planet killers and planet destroyers, like the Death Stars, inspire awe and fear of their firepower, that is true. But, the Shadow and Vorlon Planet Killers were not designed from the start to be terror weapons. They were designed to be used and not conquer without firing a shot. You have to remember that the Shadows and Vorlons had different ideals and concepts of war than the Empire. The Shadow and Vorlon planet killers are meant to get the job done and not be a waste of resources. If the Empire wanted an planet slagged without the need of fear, they would use the Base Delta Zero operation with one or more Star Destroyers.
The Shadow and Vorlon planet killers, especially the Shadow Planet Killer, are built for intimidation. The Shadows could have done the same job, far more simply, with something less complex. The Vorlons could quite happily have destroyed all life on a planet with their fleet - a feat even Minbar was capable of, though presumably given a greater period of time...

And for the record, the Death Star was necessery to destroy Alderann. The planet posessed shields capable of withstanding any fleet-based bombardment.