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OOC: This meeting was started in this thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454845

IC: The X.R.I.C. Commander Dainel Leer waited for his Novacom counterpart to state what exactly Novacom wanted. The nation of Novacom already had a large sea taskforce near the coast of Xharn.


The United Holy Kingdom of Xharn had already ready for a full scale war with Novacom. The only problem would be suppressing the "Revolutionaries" That had sprung up with the sudden and very bloody death of King Azure IV. It was no secret his successor was the one to responsiable for Azure's death along with the untimely massacre of the Rolanda family leaving the throne vacant of a Rolanda Monarch.


The United Holy Kingdom of Xharn needed a leader and the old Supreme Advisor to the throne Carl Von Ericson was more than happy to fill in that gap. The Church of Xharn was divided upon the issiue. The King Azure IV had ruled with divine right to the throne but the King Carl Von Ericson claimed to be a instrument from the Dark sun to guide the people of Xharn into a new age of peace and prosperity. The people were also divided and thus the cries of "false King.", and, "traitor to the Dark Sun." was popping up in the two major Cities of Xharn. Xharnia the capital and the port city of Cova.

Valcus steepled his fingers, his brow unruffled and his eyes alert, he was the hawk of the Novacom Diplomatic Corps and he knew it, "Our demands are simple, All Xharnian Vessels are to return to port immediatly," as he goes through each point he ticks off one finger on his left hand, held aloft in the air, "any high ranking military personell involved in the Xirnium incident including any surviviors of the attempted strafing of our fleet are to be handed over to us for immediate trial,"

He pauses letting the emphasis on trial sink in, there would be a trial alright, if the defendant wasn't there to defend himself mattered little there would be a trial, only once justice had been done could the souls of the fallen rest in peace, it was his duty to get at least this point through, he takes in breath and prepares to deliver his final point, "and of course reparations for damage done to Novacom Military hardware and to the families of those who were killed by your attemptted attack, As is custom they will be the ones to decide the manner of reparation. These points are non-negotiable," His loud voice would boom a final time, he was confidence defined as he casually eyed up his counterpart for even a shred of emotion or reaction, the Black Skull Enforcer to Valcus' left was peering deep into the hapless XIRC agent's mind plumbing the depths for information.

The X.R.I.C. Commander Daniel Leer laughed out loud and then saids,

"You must be joking! The 3rd Xharnian Royal Fleet was completely destroyed and all high ranking personal were killed in your counter attack. Plus you fired upon the 4th and 2nd Xharnian Fleets. Killing not only a Fleet Marshal but also destroying a Dreadnought from his Majesty's navy. I can hardly send more innocent officers to be trialed especially with the mock trial in Xirnium. The people of Xharn are already in a state of anti-governmental establishment.

I am hardly going to let your demand make us look like the bad guys in the international stage. As for the reparadiations we have to first rebuild are damaged fleets before we will even consider paying your people for wrecking them in the first place."

The Xharnian Elite Royal Guardsmen as if on cue start tensing up thinking they may get jumped by the Novacom Enforcers...

"They Forfeited any right to such supposed innocence when they did not surrender instead continuing their unprovoked attack," The Enforcers around him finger the triggers of their Assault Rifles lovingly, the Black Skull Enforcer next to Valcus would be smiling gently, using his psychic powers to both disjoint and put at ease the XIRC Guardsmen, if an attack were to come from the Enforcers any reaction to it would be haphazard and useless.

Valcus would place both hands on the table in front of him gently ascending and looming over Daniel, "This is by no means an attempt to make you look like "Bad Guys" you certainly arn't the "good guys" not after what your doing at present, We care little for political power plays and the internal affairs of a nation that seems far more interested in interfering in other nations affairs then ensuring it's own internal stability, we already know why that fleet of yours was there, we saw right through your little hoax, now unless you want another demonstartion of our capabilities I would suggest you reconsider your position."

Taking one last almost mournful look at the pathetic man he withdrew, leaning back in his chair casually checking his fingernails for grime, leering over them he would cut in again, "I would think that putting rebuilding of those ships on hold and appeasing us would be far better for your nation in the long term, We do not joke on maters like this, I am not particularly bothered where in the command chain those orders to attack us came from, what I am bothered with is that link and all the links that relayed those orders brought to justice, they forfeited innocence when they did not realise that those orders could have lead to war, as it stands since war did not break out the Death Penalty is not a factor, you have that assurance at least,"

Snapping a pair of fingers at an Enforcer and murmuring a few words in Novan to him, the Enforcer would salute and bark out," A Soldier's Duty is to serve his country and people, if orders were given that directly or indirectly endangered his country and nation those orders can must and will be disregarded, Sir!"

Pausing to take a sip of tea before setting it back down on the table with an audible clunk he turns to his Black Skull Enforcer friend before laughing a hollow sinister chuckle, "As you just heard, you've just had a Soldiers Duty defined for you, though, Of course with your nation teetering on the brink of anarchy perhaps we would be better of discussing this matter with the Rebels, I'm sure they would be more agreeable, though if you decide to see sense and come to terms with our demands then this debacle will be over and you'll be free to go kill each other in your streets, or whatever the latest craze in your nation is," The Last statement was derogatory and meant as such, his voice was literally oozing with venom, while still maintaining a diplomatic facade.

The X.R.I.C. Commander Daniel Leer replies bitterly,

"For that comment alone. I should leave these "Peace talks." and head back to Xharn with recommendations to launch half our aresenal of Mark IV missiles at your nation. I am sure you would only get a few shots from your beam weapon before one of our Defenses knocks out your orbital satelites.

However, The new King has given me the authority to authorize a fair reparadation to the familes but the trail. Will not be tolerated especially after your Fleet tried to bully ours out of international waters. If we had been another large military power you would never had dared such a bold move.

We see this act as a threat to war thus if the men on board the third fleet believed that you were pushing for war it is only natural that they defend the Kingdom and the throne of Xharn from your vile attempt at harrassment on international waters.

Even now you show even more will to warmonger our Kingdom by placeing an armada close to our coast!

The King Carl Von Ericson is losing his patience over this matter and will allow the Nuclear weapons to be employed in the defense of Xharn should your forces try to invade soverign Xharnian territory!"


The Xharnian Royal Guardsmen were trained from the young age of ten to fight with these weapons even with a psyhic attack. They would still be able to shoot to kill they reaction time however would be considerably slowed...

OOC: Remember said Beam Weapon is still unrevealed to anyone yet, Also the Relay Satalites were designed to be undetectable even if you managed to find 1 it wouldn't even knock out the potential, there are at present over 500 of the things in orbit, and there are certain failsafes built into the system. Also do you have your military numbers sorted, I want to try and make this fair on you without completly outnumbering you.

IC: Laughing coldly, Valcus would turn back round placing his large hands back on the table, "On the Contrary, they will stand trial, whether they are there to defend themselves will be another matter, I warn you however, in the Novacom Justice System being tried in absentia brings in heavier sentancing."

Leaning Forward giving Daniel an evil glare, before nearly shouting, "Go ahead I dare you to launch your Nuclear Missiles, then see how much of the International Community you'll bring down upon your heads, we wouldn't need to invade to set your country in order, once they'd be done with it we'd be hard pressed to find a grain of sand left of your nation," Laughing coldly at this he leans back in his chair before downing the remainder of his tea in a single gulp.

"We wouldn't have had to deploy those forces anywhere near you if you had seen sense instead of trying to deposit agents into Xirnium, and then afterwards attack our fleet You lost all right to complain when you dared enter Xirnium territory, We will reach agreement or your nation will be put under permanent Blockade, any attempt to break or run this Blockade will result in war, We are being reasonable, we are giving peace one last chance, War is not something we eagerly march to, but if war must be fought it must be fought with a steadfast heart." The Enforcers around him salute at the last phrase, it was one of the Sayings of the Armed forces, a creed if you will.

OOC: How would we not know about the satelite beam weapon. You used it to destroy the X.R.S. Dreadnought of the Royal Xharnian 2nd Fleet. We may not be able to tell which ones are yours but we could start shooting down any that are not registered as Xharn or allied since the International Community is trying to destroy my nation. The Military numbers are nearly complete, I styled the Coast to be like a massive D-Day beach head effect execpt with PMT weapons on stand by...

IC:

The X.R.I.C. Commander replies,

"The United Holy Kingdom of Xharn will not send any of our officers to your nation to be put through another mock trial and mostly likely be tortured especially when they are needed to defend the Kingdom and the throne from foriegn Aggressiors like yourselves.


The United Holy Kingdom of Xharn will only pay the reparadations if you agree to pull back your fleet and allow us to continue our trading bussiness in order to keep our economy going otherwise. It is going to take awhile before we can offically pay anything to you.

The United Holy Kingdom of Xharn is not afraid of your nations patheic attempts at indimatation. If your ships so much as advance another ten natical miles. The Coastal Defense forces will fire upon your ships with extreme prejudice."

OOC: I thought I'd mentioned it then but oh well, the beam cannon on the Jindrax class Sky Fortress is derived from Damocles, minus the redirection phase, indeed you'll find nearly all of my Beam Weaponry systems have in their designation the abbreviation DD, meaning Damocles Derivative, I haven't actually fired the real Damocles at anything yet I'm planning something very spectacular for it's first shot. Also the perks to this being invite is you can keep the entire of the international community of your back if you wish, Also if you could get a map and put your capitol and cities on I'd appreciate it, it's so I can show where our forces move. Remember though you can't defend all of your coast line with batteries, only some of it, otherwise you'd be spending a ton of your military budget on maintaining the defences, I'm not terribly picky just pointing that out because someone else will pick up on it.

IC: "Torture? Torture," Valcus laughs rapping the table with his left hand, Mr Leer you are such a Comedian, there hasn't been torture in Novacom for over 6,000 years, what a joke, Torture he says, ha" He continues laughing for another few minutes before calming down.

"We don't care about your throne get it, it doesn't matter to us who sits in it if anyone, just as long as they have the good sense not to cuase trouble for other nations. Our ships being well within International Waters will continue their Manoeveres, we unlike you have not intruded in anyone's territorial water without express invitation, and it is you who need to drop any ideas of intimidation, it is not our way." He draws himself up folding his arms and fixes the Xharnian with a glare, as if to make clear he was insulted about accusations of intimidation.

OOC: I don't know how to make a map. I had one sort of made by Usea-Jason but it does not show Cities or anything, It was more for our border conflict....

IC: The X.R.I.C. Commander Daniel Leer gives the Novacom Ambassador a returning glare of a man who is used to seeing torture and mass executions.

Commander Daniel Leer after several minutes finally saids, " Do not play innocent game with me Valcus.

I am going to give you this ultimatium. Your nation is to pull all your naval forces out of Xharn's home region in one weeks time faliure to do so, will result in a state of war between our two nations."


The X.R.I.C. Commander starts to stand up from his seated postion. His Xharnian Elite Royal Guardsmen escort start to form up in postion to defend there Commander to the personal Jet of X.R.I.C. Commander Leer...

OOC: Just use paint, it's fairly simple, the only maps I can find of the Normandy beaches have the British and German battleplans scrawled all over them.

IC: "Honestly I don't know what you mean, We haven't had torture in these lands for over 6,000 years," He's starting to look upset now, he's serious and very sincere about this, it's insulting and upsetting to be accussed of torture when there hasn't been any torture in Novacom for 6,000 years, indeed it's not in the Novacom Cultural makeup.

"If you leave now you will guarantee war, choose peace and live long, or choose war and condemn your nation to destruction." His voice hard and cold, his mind racing, so it will come to war after all, Waving his hand in dismissal the Enforcers prepared to escort the fool out, out of this room and out of the nation.

The X.R.I.C. Commander Daniel Leer mutters under his breathe, "D_mn Novacon Ambassador seemed he wanted war from the begining."

The Xharnian Elite Royal Guardsmen just continue there marching in step and do not pretend to notice. They are still shouldering the M-16 A2 rifles ready to pull and fire upon a momments notice.


The X.R.I.C. Jet was preped and ready to go and the two C-14 Stealth Fighters were also ready to fly back to Xharnia and notify the King that diplomatic talks failed terriably.

OOC: I take it we're ready for the war now, please do try to whip up at least a brief military summary and if you can post up that basic map you had for your border war and in paint label on where cities and ports are, and if you can describe the terrain, Once that's ready the war can begin in ernest.

IC: The door would close silently behind the Xharnian and his entourage as they were swiftly hustled out and back on to their jets, they would find themselves quickly dismissed, away into the brewing electrical storm, all over Divango residents prepared for trouble as the black storm clouds brewed and whirled in the bright sky.

"So Xharn though they actually had a negotiation position, strange since they didn't even have a leg to stand on, Inform the Suprainister the talks went as expected and be quick about it," Valcus bellowed and an Aide literally ran out of the room in haste to carry out the order, War was comming, once more back to war.

"Interesting, so the talks went as expected, the Xharnians are fools then, at least we gave peace a chance, which after Xirnium is more than what they deserved, Instruct General Kivak that he will begin his attack 2 hours after the Xharn Delegates Plane has landed,"

Rising from his Desk the Suprainister heads for the shining door of his office before turning to his aide,

"let them know that we think of their Ultimatum, I'll be in the war room if needed,"

With a Billow of tunic he exits and enters a tall lift, which goes plumetting down beneath the earth soon, he would be in the War Room and things would get dire for Xharn, Dire indeed.

((((OOC: Just to let you all know before war is considered compeltely imminent, Vrak ( A LARGE and intelligent diplomatic couintry) has started a conference for this situation and the Xharn conflict in general. They've started in the "Blood in the streets!" thread and maybe a nice diplomatic talk would be a good thing before open war))))

OOC: I noticed it and I'm sending a delegation, like I've said at the very least it will provide for a post war Xharn, right now nothing will stop the war now, the only delay now is a map and statistics, things have gone too far too stop now and it's a contest of wills, one that neither side will give up on.

OOC: Not entirely, I have the map sort of completed. The problem is dividing the Military with logistics.

I am having trouble breaking down an Military of roughly 3,528,000 men...


IC: The Flight was bumpy to say the least the electric storm was making the Jets finer luxaries like the T.V. not work or the pay phone which angried X.R.I.C. Commander Daniel Leer greatly.

He was cursing this land for it's stubborn people and stupid weather problems for half the flight. and the Flight was quarter towards Xharn's airspace...

OOC: rule of thumb is generally about half or a third of your military is logistics, however though since your on your home turf you could propably settle for a quarter, and propably add a bit more to your military in the form of home guard and the like, I intend to outnumber you by no more than 3 to 1, more than likely 2 to 1 since a third of the force will be in reserve, giving you a fair chance, Post it up at your earliest convinience, that way I can begin whipping up force deployments and dividing my forces up into field commands.

I intend to outnumber you by no more than 3 to 1, more than likely 2 to 1 since a third of the force will be in reserve, giving you a fair chance...

OOC: Just a few brief notes to help out the underdog here, I don't like interupting with OOC but I imagine I can get away with it if it helps things along. Firstly I would suggest not worrying about every detail in your military Xharn, so long as you don't go overboard and accept that you are outnumbered you shouldn't need to go into specifics... this isn't a math game afterall, it's about RPing a war between two nation. Be reasonable and you'll do just fine.

Talking about logicists, I agree that a large amount of your army will be logicistal support, less so for your army then your navy and air force, but it's still very significant. That said, your logistics are much easier then Novacom... outnumbering you as much as he does, it doesn't change the fact that he's got huge logistical problems to overcome as an invader, but I won't go into it unless you actually want me to... let me just say that simply outnumbering a nation 3-1 may not be enough. I would think you would need to seriously outmatch a nation in several ways in order to pull it off. There is just too much stacked against you, from the nightmare logicists of sending so much over to the other nation, the fact that until you land and secure a deep water port (or similar) you simply can't have a large army doing anything in their nation, the fact they are defending with everything while you have to hold back in order to keep your nation secure from counter attack. In truth it's easier to just take our their ability to make war instead of trying to occupy them. But meh, thats just my opinion.

OOC: no problems the talks are over so this can be a miscellaneous dumping ground for OOC really, I'm aware of the logistical problems, how my nations industry is run simplfies things slightly, needless to say however I'll be deploying a considerable Logistics effort, making extensive use of aerial transit methods and the like, Plus my military is somewhat unusual in some respects, making logistical supplies nessacery for Aerial forces and ground forces largely the same, I am however planning on fielding a large logistics operation and making sure it is well protected, and routing it through a relativley, (and by that I mean in relation to the distance back again to Novacom) Close Military Island Base. Not that the statistics terribly bother me I'm an advocate of Story > Statistics the only reason I'm asking for numbers this time is to be fair and give him a fighting chance.

I would however appreciate any other concerns that would crop up as well as possible soloutions, so I can see if there's anything I've missed or might work better than what I have planned, everythings a learning experience after all.

OOC: I am however planning on fielding a large logistics operation and making sure it is well protected, and routing it through a relativley, (and by that I mean in relation to the distance back again to Novacom) Close Military Island Base.

OOC: You actually RP that? Usually it's hard to just 'find' handy empty islands for staging forces on, whats more this island has all the requirements for supporting a large military force? Like solid runways for large aircraft (I'm fairly sure a long dirt runway wouldn't be suitable for this) or deep water ports for any heavy loading? Realistically if you are going to stage your forces somewhere it's usually allies that you know are significantly closer, or at least enemies of your enemies... it's not often you'll just find such a place, unclaimed and ready for use, it defeats the whole point of fighting (like in most real wars) for such places and creates something of a dues ex solution to a problem which most players concider unfair, so unless you've actually RPed it and it's been accepted, I wouldn't claim something like that unless it doesn't provide any substantial advantage like say it's still pretty far from the nation (i.e several days) and it provides a handy concentration of troops for the enemy to attack without the added defence of your home nation.

As for your logistics... thats entirely up to you two to work out, I'm sure there are loads of interesting ways to do it and I'm an advocate of freeform RP thats more about plot then the win, so long as it isn't abusive. Just try and keep in mind that there is only so much you can do with aircraft such as wieght and the fact that soldiers use up alot of supplies. Generally I would stick to taking over important objectives that allow the invasion to progress. For example; small force land/drops and takes over a deep-water port using local superiourity, then start deploying the real army, taking over airports and more ports in order to further secure my foothold, following by then progressing along making use of the nations own transport system by securing important logistical objectives like train stations.

Of course, thats looks dull so it would probably vary a bit to make for much better story telling... which is ok so long as when you get do something that may be unrealistic or over the top, it should be done for plot and not to win. People don't have to deal with logistics too much, just don't forget that it limits you.

OOC: Hey, Novacom how do you post a paint object on here?

OOC Use with Square Brackets instead of round ones (IMG) (/IMG) THe Main Problem with NS is that everyone can pretty much place their nation anywhere so it's hard to guess which ally is closer, for arguments sake I'm considering myself fairly remote and as such accepting the problems asociated with that, the Military base aforementioned I have in a copy of my history (not sure if I've posted this piece up yet) and was copied from the Rogue forces of Rebel Admiral Kukonois, it's not exactly close but it's a lot closer than my homeislands, I devote about 20% of my Military to homeland defence and have a whole host of defence schemes in place though one of the largest advantages is also a disadvantage in some cases, mainly the large Bermuda Triangle like electrical storms that frequent the region, most of my equipment is harded against is but storms still play havoc with Naval and any airborne elements.

Oh I'm sure I'll be able to make some strategic strikes sound interesting, if it's well told it won't be boring, I am very careful with anything godmodish since I sometimes feel that half of my stuff could be considered godmod despite having genuine weaknessess in them.

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