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Non-aggression pact; VCO and TOA [Earth II]

Pushka
25-12-2005, 06:22
OOC: I am just going to assume that everybody who was going to show up but was too lazy to post their arrival (NG and SB) have arrived. So let the meeting begin.

IC:

Representatives from all the nations of VCO and TOA were sitting in a luxurius round conferenss room somethere in the Medvediego hotel. Russian guards armed with A-A9 assault rifles were stationed outside each of the 6 entrances into the room. The personal bodyguards of the representatives were standing against the wall behind the one they were supposed to guard. Without further waiting the meeting was going to begin. Russian representative Oleg Raskolov stood up greeting his guests.

Oleg: We have here in this room representatives from all of the most powerful nations of the world. Respected diplomats from the United Eurasian Republic, the nation of Bjornya, the Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc, the Kingdom of Norway, the United Sultanates of Elephantum, the Fourth Reich, the Empire of Layatreb, the nation of Reagonica, the nation of Hirgizstan, the nation of Neuvo Rica and myself representing the Russian Federation. Relations between our nations dictate the rules by which the world spins. We work together and we can make the world prosper beyond wildest imagination, we fight and it shall be destroyed and wiped out of all life. Recently there has been a series of unfortunate misunderstandings between our nations, today we begin the process of healing. I as representative of the will of the people of Russian Federation propose a non-aggression pact between our respective alliances. Today we discuss how we can solve our differences for the better future of the human race. I will let each one of you who wishes to speak your opening speeches to do so at this point.
N Germania
25-12-2005, 06:28
Kommandant of Foreign Relations, Dr. Albert Speer, arrived in Voronej to begin the conference.

Dr. Albert Speer: "It is most excellent to meet representatives from the most powerful nations on Earth. It is an honor. Now, since I am not hosting this Conference, perhaps another representative should begin?"
Pushka
25-12-2005, 06:30
OOC: Eh dude, i have already begun, you should foreshadow the issues from the side of TOA, after that me and my VCO buddies will respond and we try to solve the issues to satisfactory of both parties, then frame it all in a document and have everyone sign it. Take one issue at a time. We will of course express our own issues in the process, as a good host i let the TOA take the first round.
Cotland
27-12-2005, 20:51
Foreign Minister Meyer stood up and siezed the word.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, first off, allow me to thank the Russian Federation for hosting this highly required meeting. Many in my country, including the Prime Minister, the King and myself, share the Russian fear that unless we get things sorted out between our two respective alliances, the consequences will be quite devestating for the world.

"We should start this, issue by issue, and I propose we start with the Russian plans to melt the ice which surrounds their naval ports in the winter. Now, most of the nations in the world, my own included, fear that the Russian plan is flawed, and even if it works, the consequences of human, mechanical or software error, or the ever present threat of terrorism could cause devestating effects which may melt the ice caps, something which turns to the water levels rising and killing millions of people. That cannot be allowed in the eyes of my country. However, we wish to offer a sollution."

Meyer handed out a dossier to all the representatives. It read as follows:

PROSJEKT 1987 ”Isbryter”

Presentation
Project ”Isbryter” started in 1987 as an attempt to find a cost-effective and effective way of keeping iced-down ports open during the winter season. Normally, the ice in the areas affected by the seasonal event is more than one meter thick (the thickest ice measured was 2,5 meters thick), and cause a massive problem to surface vessels, both military as well as civilian. Project “Isbryter” is the results of the 18 years of research that has been conducted.

Theory 12
The project explored several ideas and theories, but in 1992, the research team settled with the idea of using icebreakers equipped with nuclear reactors and water hoses. The idea is so simple that it’s a shame that it hadn’t been considered earlier.

The plan is to take an ice breaker fitted with a nuclear reactor or two, equip it with a few hoses connected to pumps fitted in the hull of the ship. The pumps pull in seawater, which is brought to a heating system connected to the nuclear reactors where the water is heated to between 15 – 30° Celsius, and from there on to several hoses mounted on the superstructure and/or bow of the ship, where the heated and pressurized water is released on the ice. This causes the ice to reduce in strength and make it easier for the ice breaker to make its way though the ice.

To settle the needs of the Kingdom, a total of 57 ice breakers are required. With each ice breaker costing in excess of $400 million each, as well as the costs of the research, the entire price tag is expected to come to roughly $46.7 billion. However, the benefits are enormous! The nuclear reactors provide a safe and cost-effective source for the heating and the propulsion of the ice breaker, a non-polluting energy source, and no need for refuelling the ships for at least 35 years.

Conclusion
The research team, naval engineers and various experts find that this theory, which was the twelth theory presented, is the best and most viable sollution to solve the problem presented.


23.06.2005: After careful review, the Ministry of Commerce has decided to approve the project, and fund it. The price tag will come to $46.9 billion, and will be funded over a period of 16 years. The first ship will be constructed at Bergen Mekaniske Verksted, a sister-company of Laksevag Naval Shipyards, and is expected to be completed in 14 months. After it has been tested and cleared for civilian use, the remaining ships will be constructed, four per year. The total project will be completed in 16 years, with the last ship entering service.

Parts of report declassified 23.12.2005 by PST

"As you can see, the plan is simply to build ice breakers fitted with pumps and nuclear reactors which will heat the seawater which will be collected from under the ship, and spray it on the sea. This will cause the sea to melt a little, not a lot mind you, but enough for it to allow the icebreakers to pierce through the ice more easily, allowing them to open sealanes more easily. If one use more than one, and spray water on the ice to the sides, one may open rather large canals. This solve the problem of the iced-up ports, takes less time and is probably cheaper than the project presented by the Russian Federation. The Kingdom is willing to sell the technology to the Russian Federation and to help them with the implementation of the breakers. We request the Russian Federation considers this offer. Thank you."

Meyer sat back down, ready to answer any questions which might arise.

OOC I hope you guys don't mind this. Merry Christmas btw.
Pushka
27-12-2005, 22:18
Oleg stood up.

Oleg: This plan presented by Gospoding Meyer will be considered and reviewed by people more qualified then me. Thank you Gospodin Meyer. However i must say something, this plan does not seem to give the results that we would like to aquire, the purpose of our project is to make it so the ice breakers would not be needed. Also our scientists have conducted all the tests necessary and concluded that there is no danger of any sort of chain reaction. Let me elaborate. Our plan is to use the heating panels and special boats fitted with hoses to melt away the area of the ice 4-6 km from our coastline. The ice itself is fresh water, with the melting point of 0 C, while sea water surrounding the ice will have a high salinity point that will allow it to have a freezing point of less then 0 C, -1.8 C to be exact. This means that after we melted away the area we wanted to melt, as long as we can keep the water temperature in between the freezing point of sea water and the melting point of ice we will not have a problem. However some critics might say that the fresh water dumped into the ocean as a result of the melting of the ice will decrease salinity level and eventually place the freezing point of the sea water at 0 celcius, which would force us to increase the temperature of the water beyond the melting point of ice that would cause a chain reaction and have catastrophic effects on the global environment. To solve this problem we use powerful pumps to immediately take away the fresh/sea water mixture into the special inland channels we have created while at the same time pumping sea water with increased level of salinity in to keep the balance. This way after the initial layer of ice is cleared we can calibrate our panels to keep the temperature of the water around the edges of the area we cleared to be between the freezing point of sea water and the melting point of ice. This way the ice won't melt and the sea water won't freeze, meanwhile we have a large cleared area through which all ships can move freely without having to rely on icebreakers. I hope my statement has explained things to the global community and they understand that there is no threat. Please anybody who has a comment or a question, feel free to express yourself.
Layarteb
27-12-2005, 23:01
The representative of the Empire stood and looked around. "It is most pressing that we are here to discuss a Non-Aggression Pact when there has been nothing but aggression. We cannot stress the importance of our phased mutual standdown. If all of our forces were still at total readiness I cannot imagine what we would be facing.

"The Empire is most concerned, however, with the actions of the Russian with concern to international waters. The original intention of this discussion concerned a Germanian military submarine, albeit a military vessel, which had been damaged in international waters. The Russians claimed full and total control over the area and had immediately become problematic with the situation. We can understand their concern but their reaction was a warrant of some action within their own waters.

"The second incident has recently been with a civilian weather vessels in the Barents Sea, whereby it was harassed by the Russian Navy. It is most unnerving that they have acted in such ways. Albeit the Germanian submarine was close to their territorial boundaries, the civilian weather vessel was far from their waters.

"Why is it that the Russians feel they can dictate the goings-ons of civilian and military vessels from other countries when they are in international waters? It seems only fair that, if this be the case, the international community can then dictate the goings-ons of civilian and military vessels inside Russian waters. This is a given that no nation would support this nor would any be expected to. You see the problem? The Empire cannot sign onto any Non-Aggression Pact when the Russians have continually been aggressive when they have no justification to be. Regardless of their claims that the Cohen was a military vessel, it was in international waters, which is of no concern to the Russian Federation. International waters are just that and the Russians continue to disrespect those boundaries nor do they respect the understanding of the term 'international waters.'

"Secondly, with concern to this Arctic project. The Empire cannot and will not support any such actions, regardless of their impact on the environment. The consequences of any failure, human or mechanical, or even an error with math, perhaps one, one thousandth of a number could complete shift and change the nature of our planet, affecting far more than just the Russian coastline. It would be a betrayal to our people and what we stand for to allow the Russians to put our coastlines, our people, and our territory in jeopardy with their plan."
Pushka
27-12-2005, 23:37
"First of all let me begin by addressing the incident with the North Germanian submarine. That submarine carried aboard it nuclear ballistic missiles, it was a direct threat to our security. Yet we have done nothing what you claim. We have not initiated any sort of situation that provoked aggression. The aggression was provoked by The Reich then they oppened fire on the Bjornyan rescue sub in the international waters without justification. It seems to me that there is some sort of double standard. While North Germania reserves the right to order and police foreign vessels in the international waters to protect its own interests, Russian Federation does not. Or atleast that is how you put it. Either way, once the Reich has attacked a Bjornyan submarine without provocation that was a clear act of war and Russian Federation bound by the treaty signed with the Voronej Cooperation Organization has moved its troops preparing for war against the North Germanian aggressor. The situation was sorted out although not without harmful interference from the side of TOA. We did not provoke anybody, we were not the initiators of the aggressive action, thenever or not you will choose to ignore that fact.

Now to the Layatrebian naval vessel, Cohen. It has been registered as an unidentified vessel and Russian VMS has sent two submarines to investigate and classify that vessel as military or civilian. During their investigation it was discovered that the vessel in question was committing an act of espeonage against the Russian Federation government. Once again we were provoked. We have dealt with that situation less drastically then Empire of Layarteb would, we did not take that action as a declaration of war, but we did do all in our power to stop the act of espeonage, which we did. The Layatrebian naval vessel has retreated from its position, and protective measures have been taken to ensure that next time a vessel of this class commiting an act of espeonage will be detected immediately, in addition there will be no second warning, next time we have such an icident it will be considered as a declaration of war by Layatrebian government and the vessel in question will be sunk immediately.

As for the Projet Liedohod, thankfully it is not up to Empire of Layatreb to decide.

We must sign a non-aggression pact in order to stabilize the world which is swinging out of controll, due to provocation from both sides. "
Layarteb
27-12-2005, 23:42
"We believe the possible theft of their weaponry provocation for their actions. They did not dictate anything about a foreign vessel but rather acted in protection of their own property, which is something you now claim the Cohen was in violation of. The Cohen is a civilian weather vessel, registered as such, and it shall remain as such. The Empire cannot be held responsible for the inability and ineptitude of those who are classifying naval craft or monitoring them.

"In light of the Arctic operation, the Empire cannot and will not sign a Non-Aggression Pact while this operation exists. This operation is an act of aggression against the world, against its populace, against its coastlines, against its environment, and against its future."
Pushka
28-12-2005, 01:17
"According to what the North Germanian government told us they have ordered the Bjornyan submarine to stop and after it has disregarded their unjustified demand they have fired on it. So yes they did attempt to dictate to the Bjornyan submarine. Either way no matter how you wish to cover it, Cohen is a military vessel, it has attempted espeonage against the Russian government and we believe that it was doing so upon orders from Layatrebian government.

It is amazing to me that a nation as powerful as Layatrebian Empire would send to peacetalks a representatives who would discard any chance for peace because of his personal lack of understanding of the matter. Or more correctly put, refuses to understand the matter since i have just explained why the notion that there is a threat is incorrect. There is no threat, that is a fact. Why do you choose to disregard it?"
Layarteb
28-12-2005, 01:28
"If the Cohen is a military vessel then we shall return and classify any and every Russian vessel, civilian or military, as hostile and dictate how it behaves in international waters. The case of the Germanian submarine incident was protection of its own property. While the discharge of firearms was certainly unintentional, as the Reich explained, we can understand the reactions and would not expect the Russians nor any other nation to act different to protect their own property, especially one of such a secretive nature.

"With concern to your Arctic project, the Empire comprehends the situation and it also comprehends the possible risks that could occur and we feel that the risks far outweigh the benefits. We were willing to sign a Non-Aggression Pact but the aggressive acts of the Russians have persuaded us away from this. You have deployed forces back to the Germanian border, you have harassed a civilian weather vessel, and you have announced a venture that could be cataclysmic to the entire planet and have not cared to think what other nations, whose land your problem will affect should it fail, feel about the matter.

"The Russian Federation has shown, through its actions, that peace is not what it seeks. It is our notion that the Russian Federation has used the idea of a Non-Aggression Pact to lull the October Alliance into a false sense of security. The mobilization of two armies at your border, which has been met with responses from the Reich is certainly no proof to show us that you are willing to make peace."
Cotland
28-12-2005, 01:35
Meyer spoke up.

"Excuse me, but it seems to me that it is the Russian Federation who lacks a clear vision here. We have already on an earlier date established that the Germanian navy was protecting its submarine, and that the firing on the Bjornoyan sub was a mistake, one which has been settled between the Germanian and the Bjornoyan governments, and therefore aren't anything that the Russian, Layartebian or Norwegian governments, nor any other government other than the Bjornoyan and Germanian governments should bother about.

"The Cohen is a Weather Watcher ship. Yes, it is fitted with some military features, but the Layartebian government has already accounted for why it carries that. What I and my government find quite unforgivable is the Russian belief that they own the seas of the world. The Cohen was in international waters when threatened by a Russian submarine, and forced to flee. If that is how the Russian Federation wish to act, then so be it. Two can play the same game.

"When it come to the plan to melt the polar icecaps, my government finds that too totally unacceptable! Unless this plan is dropped, we will be forced to take measures to ensure that the project never begins. The project is a clear and present threat not only to the Kingdom, but to the entire world. We do not trust the Russian calculations, and we do not trust the Russian engineers. Call it biased if you wish, but we don't trust that, very much in the same way that you don't trust the word of the October Alliances members. Your refusal to seriously consider the option offered by the Kingdom is a clear signal that you have no wish of lessened tensions. The Kingdom made you a generous offer, and you all but ignored it. That was a clear insult to the Kingdom and its peace-wish.

"It is clear that the Russians are unable to look towards a peaceful sollution, and instead do their best to provoke conflict. Quite frankly, I'm fed up with the Russian attempts of warmongering, and so is my government. We will not sign any non-agression pact untill the Russian project of stopping the plan to melt the polar icecaps have been terminated. This is one thing which we will not budge a millimeter on. We have made it clear what we demand. Now, make it happen. If not, we have no further business here."
Pushka
28-12-2005, 01:37
"First of all Cohen has spied on Russian Federation, that is a fact you are ignoring. Second of all bias or not, we are going to go through with our plan and you can do little to stop us unless you wish to declare war over your nation's lack of knowledge about the matter. Third of all, the Reich has attempted to police the Bjornyan submarine and that is another fact you seem to be ignoring.

Now let me respond to our fried from Layatreb.

The mobilization of those armies was a simple misuderstanding which was fixed and for we apologized. Cohen is a military vessel that was commiting acts of espeonage against Russian Federation government on behalf of Layatrebian Empire, that is a fact, it can not be disputed with any counter argument. We have proof of our claims.

As for the Reich's submarine situation, once again double standards. While it is totally fine for Reich to police and attack a non-combatant in international waters to protect its interests it is not okay for Russian Federation submarines to do the same to a military vessel that was spying on the Russian Federation thus harming Russian Federation interests.

We do not want war, but we will not be dictated how to run our country by nations who through their provocative actions have expressed their want to undermine the Russian Federation's ability to respond to those actions peacefully. We want peace, the fact that we decided to host this meeting even after the harassment and provocation suffered by us from the side of EOL and the Fourth Reich. I have several propositions that would ensure that the non-aggression pact is effective. Would you like to hear them?
Cotland
28-12-2005, 01:39
"You have proof? Present them!"
Pushka
28-12-2005, 01:42
"We can give you the readings of the logs made by the satelite from which Cohen attempted to steal information from. Those logs were open to the public from the beggining of the incident."
Layarteb
28-12-2005, 01:42
"It is the Russians who have a double standard. Never before have Russians offered proof but bogus, unfounded, unsupported claims. The Empire has explained every aspect of the Cohen as well as public records from Weather Watchers will show. Until the Russians can present any shread of physical evidence to what they claim we will disregard it as slander and should it be in print, libel. But by all means, what does the Russian Federation have that would 'ensure' peace?"
Pushka
28-12-2005, 01:49
"If members of The October Alliance will not stop acting as though the Russian Federation is not a sovereign nation and they have a right to control its decision making, then purhapse peace between our alliances is impossible. It is pefectly clear that neither Kingdom of Norway, nor Empire of Layatreb wish for peace on reasonable terms offered to them after a line of clear cut harassments initiated by the October Alliance against VCO and Russian Federation. If that is truly what your mindset is then purhapse this whole meeting has been a mistake after all. Now would you listen to reason or is there no hope for peace?"
Layarteb
28-12-2005, 01:59
"The Empire is still waiting for the undeniable proof of the claims of the Russian Federation and it feels that, at this moment, the Russian Federation is incapable of reason or that its reasoning is twisted beyond any level we can comprehend. The Empire does not wish for war and will always support peace; however, it cannot see why the pursance of peace should continue with a nation that is hellbent on accusing the October Alliance of everything it violates itself. It is clear to us that this is all just a sham by the Russian Federation. Peace requires compromises but the Russian Federation is making no attempts at any compromise. The Kingdom of Norway offered a compromise to the situation concering Project Liedoho, which was dimissed immediately. It seems that this is a kangaroo court, whereby the Russian Federation already has the outcome in mind and wishes for nothing more than unconditional acceptance of the Russian Federation's desires with absolutely no consequence or respect given to any issue the October Alliance has."
Pushka
28-12-2005, 01:59
"We have presented to you credible evidence from our intelligence that state that Cohen was attempting to gain an unauthorized transmission from the Russian military satelite. If you wish to see those logs we have a printed our copy ready for your viewing."

Oleg motioned to the guard and he passed out folders to everyone in the room. The folders had papers in them that showed the logs taken by the satelites, which indicated the time of the transaction and the coordinates of the receiver at that time. Also in the folder were coordinates of Cohen at that time.
Pushka
28-12-2005, 02:02
"And you seem to want the complete opposite. You want Russian Federation to accept blame for interfering with your attempts to compromise Russian security.

The compromise offered by Cotland was not disregarded, it simply takes more then several minutes to make such a decision, our scientists will analyze it in the next few weeks and then we will make a decision on that."
Layarteb
28-12-2005, 02:03
The representative surveyed the documents and had an immediate response ready. "What I see here is that a signal from a satellite going to Russian submarines, apparently, somehow got recieved by both submarines and the Cohen. The Cohen was, at the time, running a very intensive program to determine upper ozone levels in the Arctic, which could explain why the signal was accidentally recovered by the ship. The equipment used is highly sensitive. If you were not aware, the equipment can determine the exact composition of the air it is monitoring, which includes any waves that may be traveling through it at that given time. The Cohen also picked up several signals from citizens band radios, FM stations, and even, as odd as this is, a cellular phone call. We cannot explain what these waves were doing there but this was all recieved. It just so happened that that signal was coming through its monitoring zone as it was downloading data. This is we call a coincidence." He pushed across the information he just read and showed everyone at the table what had been recovered.
N Germania
28-12-2005, 02:12
The German Foreign Minister, Dr. Albert Speer, rose from his seat and spoke.

Dr. Albert Speer: "In light of the recent mobilization of hostile Russian troops to Reich borders in response to the 5th Reichsmarine Fleet being mobilized to the Norwegian Sea, far from Russian soil, to participate in wargames has caused great concern within the Reichstag.

"These actions were entirely uncalled, entirely hostile in nature, and only a weak explanation was given. That explanation was that Russian High Command did not know what the fleet was doing and felt threatened. If for every time a foreign fleet or army was mobilized somewhere far from the Reich and having nothing to do with it an army of the Reich was sent to that nation's borders, we would be at war with half of the planet.

"By no means do I, nor the Führer, the Reichsleiter, the Reichsführer, the Reichsadmiral, and Reichsgeneral believe the reason given to us by the Russian Federation for the mobilization of their armies. However, as rational people of sound mind did not match this movement with our armies, although off the record it is my opinion we should have. It was only when the Führer gave the Russian Government an explanation for the movement of the 5th Reichsmarine Fleet were their armies ordered to backdown. I do not believe for one instant that the Russian Federation desires peace.

"As far as the attack on the Bjornoyan submarine, we had just cause. Why were foreign submersibles tampering with our sunken submarine in international waters? Why is the 38th nuclear weapon still missing? Furthermore, when the Bjornoyan submersibles were requested to stop so that our divers could question their presence around our nuclear submarine in international waters, they immediately left at full speed. What were they hiding?

"The Russian response to this tiny incident was the movement of several armies to the Reich's borders, prepared to attempt an invasion. That does not represent a nation which wishes for peace.

"Now, to address Proyekt Liedoho. Tampering with nature, especially such a delicate aspect, is a terrible idea that could have unpredictable repercussions. In response to the very real possibility of global flooding, the Führer has issued an embargo on the Russian Federation. We, however, did not mobilize our armies as you would most likely have done if you were in our place.

"Furthermore, the numerous insults thrown at the Reich by the Russian Federation have infuriated the Reichskanzler. Because of the aforementioned incidents, I will not sign any form of Non-Aggression Pact, nor would the Führer expect me to. The only way an NAP would be signed would be if the following conditions were met:

1) An official apology to the Reich for the first mobilization of Russian Armies to Reich borders be made.

2) An official apology to the Reich for the second mobilization of Russian Armies to Reich borders be made.

3) The immediate cancellation of Proyekt Liedoho.

4) An official apology to the Führer for numerous insults to the Reich.

5) The return of all Reichsvolk (Reich citizens) in Russia to Reich lands.

6) The creation of a Demilitarized Zone along all Russian/Reich borders.

"Until these demands are met, no such Non-Aggression Pact will be signed by the Reich. Furthermore, the Führer has ordered me to give you the following message: Should another unwarranted Russian Army movement occur near Reich borders, we will attack."

Dr. Albert Speer sat back down, sipped a glass of water, and lit a cigarette.
Pushka
28-12-2005, 02:41
"Well then it seems to me that the Reich doesn't want peace although that was expected.

Your first demand is ridiculus, you attacked our ally and our mobilization was completely justified. As for the second demand we have already apologized for that incident however i must add that we also had justification since very threatening comments were made by EOL just before the deployment of Reich's troops. We will not cancel Proyekt Liedohod simply because TOA wishes to believe that there is a threat then there is none. We can give you our data, make your own calculations if you wish, this project is completely feasible. We will not apologize for any insults since the Reich has thrown plenty at us as well. We can not possibly force the citizens of Reich that live in the Russian Federation out of the country, we are much more civilized then that, our democratic system does not allow for any legislation that would let the government treat the citizens or immigrants to our nation as some non-living object that we can toss aside then we wish to. Those who wish to leave are free to do so as they always were. A creation of demilitarized zone is acceptable infact it reflects our own proposition that i was going to make was i not interrupted. If you don't wish to discuss a reasonable compromise then indeed the peace is not possible because you simply do not wish it. If you attack simply because there are troops moving along your border then that will be considered by members of VCO and the more reasonable part of global community as an unprovoked attack.

Now to our Layatrebian friend. Even if that was a misunderstanding our actions were still justified by the information we had at the time, however i doubt your word, of course my personal feelings don't reflect the position of the Russian Federation but still. We will have to do more investigations in this situation, for that we will require your cooperation.
Layarteb
28-12-2005, 02:57
OOC: Bedtime. Up at 0500 again tomorrow. I probably won't be around much either, going to hang out at my friends' house after work.
Pushka
28-12-2005, 07:15
"Now back to Mr. Meyer. You said something about taking measures that would cause our project to never begin. I would like to know what those measures would be. Also it is amazing to me how in our day and age irrational prejudice against an ethnic group has made its way into the global politics. You Mr. Meyer have threatened us and have demonstrated your racist behavior. Our scientists are just as capable as yours i assure you. I have permission to give out all data we have on this project and its workings to however would inquire for them. If you do not trust our calculations, take our data and do your own. It is seriously astonishing that simple ignorance can escalate a world towards a global conflict. Either way, i am forced to once again remind you that Russian Federation citizens and government are not subject to the rule made by the Kingdom of Norway. Just because you propose a project to us, does not mean that we are obligated to accept your offer right away before even doing some of our own research into your solution. Also from what you said it seems to me that your solution will not be as effective as project Liedohod, but this is again my personal educated opinion and not the position of the Russian Federation, that said position will be determined in the following weeks."

A body guard walked over to Oleg and handed him a note.

"It seems that I have just received a message and it seems that Norwegian government considers Russian Federation a hostile nation. Is that correct?

Let me finish before you reply gospodin Meyer. Let us summarize before we continue. North Germania wants us to apologize for our troop movements, we have apologized for the second one, but we will not for the first one since it was completely justified. We have finally come to starting to settle the Cohen issue in a calm manner, which is good. And all of the TOA members that already have spoken demand that Proyekt Leidohod be stopped. In the process expressing irrational fear, and throwing threats that compromise the reason for this meeting.

This is a really sad state of affairs ladies and gentlemen, really sad indeed. Is there any hope for this to be solved in a rational manner? Or will we choose to let this instability continue until the world's end which with current happenings might not be that far away.

Mr.Meyer, please follow the example of your Layatrebian counterpart and try to talk calmly next time. We are not here for a shouting match."
Cotland
28-12-2005, 16:23
Meyer was pissed off now, but the diplomat inside him took control, and he smiled. This Russian had to think that he was stupid.

"First off, I and my government consider the Russian arrogance regrettable, and fear that unless the Russian Federation preform a reality check, further negotiations are futile.

"As for the question regarding the Russian Federations status in the Kingdom. Yes, after the events over the past few weeks, the Kingdom has decided that the Russian Federation is a hostile nation, and it would look with favourable eyes on a shift in the regime. As a result of the Kingdoms decision to declare the Russian Federation a hostile nation, we will ban all Russian vessels and aircraft from entering Norwegian territory, it be airspace, territorial waters or land. Any violation, no matter how minor, will result in the defaulter being terminated. We have the means and the will to carry out that new policy, so don't test our patience unless you want Russian lives to be lost. Another result of the Russian actions is the immediate deportation of all Russian citizens from the Kingdom.

"As for the measures, they will be known to you when they take place, mister Oleg. I also find it amusing to see that when the Russian Federation do something which threatens the Kingdom, its all right, but when the Kingdom does exactly the same thing, we are accused of being racists. Instead of being aggrivated by it, I find that the accusations describe exactly how poor the Russian position and arguments really are, when one cannot place the problem under debate without being called racists.

"But let's look beyond the insults. If the Russian Federation continues with these prepostorous plans, we will have no choise other than to act in order to protect the security of the Kingdom and its citizens. We consider this an act of arrogance and warmongering if the Russian Federation do not cease the project immediately. You have three weeks to completely terminate the project. We find that the timespan offered is a generous amount, and we expect the Russian Federation to get its head out of its ass and face reality. Thank you."

He had said it all in a calm, neutral tone, despite the harsh words. Now, it was up to the Russians to seal the fate of the world.
Cotland
28-12-2005, 20:15
"You clearly don't want any objections to your plans, nor any critizism," Meyer said, scowling slightly. He wasn't too fond of foreigners, and especially not Russians. He couldn't explain it, but he just disliked them.

"The reasons why my nation is unhappy with the Russian plans to heat up the ocean is simply put that we fear that you won't be able to prevent the warm water from melting the surrounding ice, something which will cause the waterlevels to rise by many meters, which again will effectively drown more than 80% of the worlds major cities. Layarteb City, London, Berlin, Oslo, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, Amsterdam, Sydney, Kreynopolis, Arkhangelsk. Those are just a few of the cities which will be flooded in the event of melting the polar ice caps. Several nations and islands will disappear completely from the world map. One example is the islands in Kiribati. They have lost more than half their territory already to global warming, and if the trend continues with rising waters, Kiribati will be completely drowned. Millions may die if our fears come true, and for what? A naval port? Surely a naval port cannot be worth the lives of millions.

"Now, I've read through your documentation, and you appear to cover the problems, but how do you intend to keep the dense saline contents of the water under the ice from dispersing? Our scientists tell us that if that happens, the thermal currents which keep among others Norway warm enough to support human life will disappear, as well as allowing the water to rise, giving the effects I've explained earlier. Please go into detail," he said graciously, maintaining the polite smile. He would have to remember to send someone else the next time. He did not want to go to Russia one more time.

OOC My sources are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming, http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/qthinice.asp, http://www.issues2000.org/askme/ice_caps.htm, my science teacher at Secondary School, the textbook at the same school and a lot of news reports in Norwegian medias.
Pushka
28-12-2005, 20:44
"I think i have already explained why the water will not rise. I seriously don't see why the thermal currents would disappear, increased salinite content will only increase their freezing point. Of course i am not a scientist, but i am sure that we have a solution for that, i will have to check with those responsible for engineering Proyekt Liedohod before i come back to you with a definite answer.

However it seems to me that the presence of the powerful pumps in the area that would rotate the water, would keep the salt from dispersing any further."
Marimaia
28-12-2005, 23:46
Vice-Premier Dinh looked at Foreign Minister Bei with exasperation, receiving a shrug of the shoulders in return. The two Eastasians quietly went back to making notes on the matters being discussed, choosing not to intervene at this moment in time.
Elephantum
29-12-2005, 00:03
The Elephanti Delegate had sat quietly through the whole meeting, watching the Russians, Layartebians, Germanians, and Norweigans bicker and argue. It was time for him to speak up. His English was not perfect, Russian and German being his foreign languages of choice, but he would manage.

"The lack of anything but debate in this meeting has brought us to a difficult...choice. We joined the Voronej Cooperation Organization with the promise of international cooperation, as the name would...imply. This is not what we have found."

"Since joining the Organization, we have found the Russian government bring us, unwillingly, into a pair of debates that nearly escalated into a bloody war, which would kill many innocents on both sides. While the Russians were not solely to blame over the submarine incident, Operation Liekhod was the fault of Russia and Russia alone. However, members of the October Alliance were quick to denounce the Russian Federation in both cases. Patience, and a level head would be ideal skills for all nations here, some more than others."

He paused for a moment before adding,

"We cannot remain in an alliance that compromises Elephanti security, and as such I must unfortunately announce the Elephanti withdrawl from the VCO."
Pushka
29-12-2005, 00:29
"Is there any hope for convincing you to stay in the alliance?"
Elephantum
29-12-2005, 00:31
"We have been in this alliance for an incredibly small amount of time, and already we have been pulled to the brink of war twice. I fear the consequences of remaining in this any longer."
Pushka
29-12-2005, 00:34
"If you pulling out is a direct result of Project Liedohod, then purhapse we might be forced to comply with wishes of the october alliance after all. Remember please that this is a non-aggression pact meeting and it is designed to keep any more aggressive instances from happening. I once again ask is there any way that we can keep you within the alliance?"
Pushka
29-12-2005, 01:01
"Excuse me for a second i need to make a phone call."

Oleg exited the room, few minutes later he came back.

"This changes the whole situation. Project Liedohod is to be canceled if an equally effective measure is found. The project proposed by Kingdom of Norway is not an equally effective measure. If members of TOA want this project terminated then they will help us find another way that suits their own perceptions of what is safe yet is as effective as the Project Liedohod."
Cotland
29-12-2005, 02:06
"As mentioned, the Kingdom is willing to help fund Project 1987 if the Russian Federation choose to accept it. We are thinking along the lines of 25 - 30 percent of the total cost, plus building the ice breakers in Norway. While it may not be as effective, it is a lot quicker and cheaper than the current method of removing the ice, as well as less damaging to the nature."

Meyer held his breath, waiting for the Russian reply.
Pushka
29-12-2005, 05:14
"As i said your proposal is under review by our scientists. We wish to hear what representatives from other nations have to propose once we know all our options we will make our deicision. Your proposal is however appreciated."
RomeW
29-12-2005, 07:56
OOC: Pushka said I was here. This post will have to be short since I'm signing off soon.

IC:

Quintus Marcus Tulus was quiet so far at the meeting. He was worried that the process would dissolve into chaos and he'd need to chime in, but fortunately cooler heads prevailed. He did chime in shortly after the Russian delegate finished talking:

"The Roman Government will join in with the Norwegian government in providing funding for Project 1987, as we believe it is a more sensible solution than Projet Liedohod."
Pushka
29-12-2005, 08:35
"May i remind you that sensibility of Project Liedohod is not discussed here anymore, all opposition failed to put up a coherent argument against the logic of the project. It would be much more efficient, effective and benefiting for us and the world if Project Liedohod was to go on. The only reason we are looking for a different solution is because of the political pressure. As i said Project 1987 will be compared to all other proposals offered and the better will be chosen, if however non of the projects offered meet our specifications then we will be forced to reconsider our cancelation of Project Liedohod."
Marimaia
29-12-2005, 11:53
Minister Bei couldn't help smiling to himself as the Elephanti delegate announced that his nation was leaving the VCO; he raised his hand after a brief discussion with Vice-Premier Dinh.

"The UER will also provide funding for Project 1987, assuming that the Russian Federation accepts it. Regarding the announcement by the honourable delegate of Elephantum.....we fully understand his nation's motivation. The facts are that the United Eastasian Republic had to call a crisis meeting with the Empire of Layarteb due to actions being carried out by members of both alliances, and we had to apply pressure to certain parties to ensure peace in that instance. Now we find ourselves embroiled in yet another dispute; regardless of whether Project Liedohod is viable or not, the fact that we have been dragged into another dispute between the Russian Federation and the October Alliance, something which we do not and cannot tolerate any more.

We are here to sign a non-aggression pact; are we ever going to do so? Thus far, our two groupings seem to have had violent swings in tension thanks to the efforts of a very small number of nations. Get the damn non-aggression pact signed, or we shall happily walk out of this meeting. Premier Zhao is already hinting at a re-evaluation of foreign relations; after what we have seen here, I am very tempted to recommend that we go ahead with it. We made a conscious effort to reach out to the world after the revolution; at present, I am beginning to wonder why we even bothered.

All it has been is October Alliance this, Russian Federation that, VCO build-ups, TOA build-ups; the United Eastasian Republic has much better things to do with our time, so either we get down to business or one of the largest nations of our world will decide that trying to talk to other nations is a waste of time."
Pushka
29-12-2005, 16:15
OOC: Geez guys, thanks for all your voiced support. Seriously guys what the hell? You suddenly starting to back out without warning? Just a week ago you were cool with the idea of war initiated by TOA and so was Ele.

IC:
"Either way, this issue will not be solved at this meeting, we will need weeks to determine which project is better. Either way as Mr. Bei has said, we are here to a sign a non-aggression pact. How about we do just that?

I believe that the only way to have assured peace would be to first create a non-militarized zone along our borders and next jointly co-develop infrastructures between our respective nations that would put the interests of our nations at harm shall one of our nations attack the other.

The first step is simple, all we have to do is to determine how big the demilitarized zone would be, i say maybe it should begin at the border and end 20 kilometers outwards.

Now the second step, purhapse we should start with Eurasian line. Russia is prepared to lower its oil retail prices, if we are allowed to transport oil via that said line. This would create an interest for us in the Fourth Reich that would keep us from considering invasion of that said Reich. In addition to that we improve our national relations, we go on a cultural exchange program, meanwhile we start co working on various constructing projects, and joint wargames. All of these will promote friendship between our nations and disintegrate the need for tension.

Also i propose the creation of the interalliance committee, which would meet annualy to discuss the problems that are arising between our respective alliances. A meeting place can be discussed. Any comments?"
Hirgizstan
29-12-2005, 17:42
The Hirgizstanian Deputy Secretary of State had been notably silent while the shouting match had ensued between the delegates. A former intelligence Officer in the Celtayoshi military he kept his poker face on the whole time.

The man, David Sumpter, had emigrated to Cape Verde in his retirement and had helped the revoltuion there, being promoted for his actions. Now he had a good job and the war was behind him. Politics was the game now, and who better to enter politics than someone who could dig up dirt on almost anyone?

Proposals were now being put forward for Project 1987 and Sumpter decided to speak up now. "Naturally the Commonwealth will help fund this project and we will probably send a contingent of scientists to do research around and actually help the project along. I believe it could provide some excellent sceintific knowledge. On other matters I think an inter-alliance committee is a good idea, as it will provide a legitimate forum to pose questions and address greivances between the two biggest blocs in the world. Our two alliances have the potential to create a better world, but as long as we are at each others throats it isn't going to happen. These Alliances are home to some of the biggest and most powerful nations on earth, and we cannot simply jump to military alerts everytime somebody moves a tank. The interalliance committee would provide the right atmosphere for co-operation."
Layarteb
29-12-2005, 18:34
OOC: Be good with the OOC insults guys. All TOA members, please check our forums.

The Layartebian represenative stood. "The words of the Elephanti government and the UER have never been truer. We have been brought to the brink of total war twice. Now, with terms of what we are here for. The cancellation of Project Liedohod is good news and thus our reason for not signing the NAP has eroded. We will confirm with our allies on the other terms but the Empire hereby is willing to sign. With concerns for the DMZ, the Empire shares no border with Russia so we have no stay in that decision. With concerns to the Eurasia Line, we believe that we have little to say in the matter as it is a project of the Reich, mainly. In so far as an interalliance committee needs to be established, perhaps, once again we will confer with our allies.

"We do, however, propose a short intercession. Tempers and tensions have flared here and we believe everyone could use ten minutes to simply 'cool down.' We don't need our emotions running the show here."
Pushka
29-12-2005, 20:17
Igor stood up.

"Agreed, we will meet in 40 minutes after we had lunch. Enjoy your meal genlemen."
Pushka
01-01-2006, 17:37
After a lunch break everybody got back into the room. Beside each of the representative lay a folder with the draft of the non aggression pact.

"Please everybody open your folders and look over them."

The papers inside the folders read.

Non-Aggression Pact

Participating alliances: Voronej Cooperation Organization, The October Alliance

Points:

1. Obligation by each member of each alliance to not attack the members of the VCO and TOA unless this NAP is nulified.

2. Creation of a 30 km demilitarized zones everywhere a nation belonging to VCO borders a nation belonging to TOA or vice versa.

3. Creation of a interalliance security council that would meet annualy to discuss world matters impacting the NAP and coming up with solutions on how to solve developing problems. In case of an emergency a meeting can be called at any time by any member of the security council.

Print Name:

Signature:

"Is anybody ready to sign or does anyone have anything to add?"
Hirgizstan
01-01-2006, 19:55
David Sumpter shook his head quietly and was acknwoledged by the Pushkan.

He read thoroughly over the document and used a mini-scanner to send it back to the State Department Offices in Praia, along with a copy sent to the Foreign Affairs Department. Some minutes later he receivd an email over his PDA giving the go ahead to sign the document on behalf of the COH.



Non-Aggression Pact

Participating Alliances: Voronej Cooperation Organization, The October Alliance

Points:

1. Obligation by each member of each alliance to not attack the members of the VCO and TOA unless this NAP is nulified.

2. Creation of a 30 km demilitarized zones everywhere a nation belonging to VCO borders a nation belonging to TOA or vice versa.

3. Creation of a interalliance security council that would meet annualy to discuss world matters impacting the NAP and coming up with solutions on how to solve developing problems. In case of an emergency a meeting can be called at any time by any member of the security council.

Print Name:

Deputy Secretary Of State David Sumpter, Commonwealth of Hirgizstan

Signature:

David Sumpter
Layarteb
01-01-2006, 23:52
The representative of the Empire looked around and nodded to the representatives of the October Alliance. He was ready to sign.

Non-Aggression Pact

Participating alliances: Voronej Cooperation Organization, The October Alliance

Points:

1. Obligation by each member of each alliance to not attack the members of the VCO and TOA unless this NAP is nulified.

2. Creation of a 30 km demilitarized zones everywhere a nation belonging to VCO borders a nation belonging to TOA or vice versa.

3. Creation of a interalliance security council that would meet annualy to discuss world matters impacting the NAP and coming up with solutions on how to solve developing problems. In case of an emergency a meeting can be called at any time by any member of the security council.

Print Name: The Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Empire of Layarteb

Signature: The Empire of Layarteb
Cotland
02-01-2006, 00:07
Meyer looked at the document, then to the Layartebian and the Hirgizstanian, who had already signed. Reading it thurroughly, he decided that it fullfiled the demands of the Kingdom. With a single gracious movement, he pulled out a pen and signed.

Non-Aggression Pact

Participating alliances: Voronej Cooperation Organization, The October Alliance

Points:

1. Obligation by each member of each alliance to not attack the members of the VCO and TOA unless this NAP is nulified.

2. Creation of a 30 km demilitarized zones everywhere a nation belonging to VCO borders a nation belonging to TOA or vice versa.

3. Creation of a interalliance security council that would meet annualy to discuss world matters impacting the NAP and coming up with solutions on how to solve developing problems. In case of an emergency a meeting can be called at any time by any member of the security council.

Print Name: Minister of Foreign Affairs Morten A. Meyer, Kingdom of Norway

Signature: Morten Andreas Meyer
Marimaia
03-01-2006, 15:27
Vice-Premier Dinh looked over the document; after conferring with Foreign Minister Bei, he put pen to paper.




Non-Aggression Pact

Participating alliances: Voronej Cooperation Organization, The October Alliance

Points:

1. Obligation by each member of each alliance to not attack the members of the VCO and TOA unless this NAP is nulified.

2. Creation of a 30 km demilitarized zones everywhere a nation belonging to VCO borders a nation belonging to TOA or vice versa.

3. Creation of a interalliance security council that would meet annualy to discuss world matters impacting the NAP and coming up with solutions on how to solve developing problems. In case of an emergency a meeting can be called at any time by any member of the security council.

Print Name: Vice-Premier Lanh Xuan Dinh of the United Eastasian Republic

Signature: Lanh Xuan Dinh
Fernetti
03-01-2006, 15:44
Fernetti sent their official representative, Secretary of international affairs, Sefenito Meyers, to the meeting. “Gentlemen, I think I speak for all of us, when we say we must put and end to our wars and just discuss our problems. War and Violence are no good. We have to make an alliance to not get out of hands. I have developed a system for solving conflicts and I think it will be useful. If two nations within the alliance have a problem with each other, the whole alliance must meet and discuss what would be a fair solution, so the nations have neutral countries to say who is right and who is wrong.” He paused and continued “That being said, Fernetti would be glad to join the alliance and help spread it to put an end to hate and make sure that others are part of the peace. So what are your opinions on my idea?”

Non-Aggression Pact

Participating alliances: Voronej Cooperation Organization, The October Alliance

Points:

1. Obligation by each member of each alliance to not attack the members of the VCO and TOA unless this NAP is nulified.

2. Creation of a 30 km demilitarized zones everywhere a nation belonging to VCO borders a nation belonging to TOA or vice versa.

3. Creation of a interalliance security council that would meet annualy to discuss world matters impacting the NAP and coming up with solutions on how to solve developing problems. In case of an emergency a meeting can be called at any time by any member of the security council.

Print Name: Secretary of international affairs Sefenito B. Meyers from The Liberal Intelligence empire of Fernetti

Signature: Sefenito Meyers
Hirgizstan
03-01-2006, 16:13
OOC: Dude, I think you stumbled onto the wrong thread. You ain't part of either Alliance, and I can't see your name on Earth II anywhere.
Elephantum
11-01-2006, 00:25
The Elephanti delegate, who had been in the restroom (on the phone with Manama) for much of the meeting, was appalled by the sight of the treaty. A 30 km demilitarized zone, outrageous!

"Excuse me, friends, but I was not feeling well. I see you have made great progress on the treaty while I was away, but there is one thing I must object on. Elephantum would be required to construct a de-militarized zone in two areas, our border with Norway in Israel, and our border with the Reich in Oman. We have been allied with the Cots, and later the Norwiegians, before we were allied with any other nation here. This border would impede trade between our nations, and make it difficult for pious Norwegians to visit holy places like Jericho and Jerusalem.

Worse is the DMZ with Oman. The border goes through the Rub al-Khali, or Empty Quarter, which is one of the most inhospitable areas on the face of this planet. We maintain a total presence of twenty-six in facilities on the border. There is no direct water or power lines, and three paved roads connecting the area. All of the patrols are done by air. Establishing a signifigant presence would require building power stations, major facilities and airstrips, along with the difficult task of bringing water to the facilities. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to bring water into the middle of the desert? Besides, it is depressing to be stuck in the middle of a desert, where all you can see in any direction is sand?
Layarteb
11-01-2006, 01:53
"The Empire does not question the intentions or motivations with the Elephanti government. They have not shown themselves to be any aggressor here. We also agree that the UER are in the same status. Our main focus is towards Russia."
Pushka
11-01-2006, 02:55
"If both of the opposing nations agree not to hold a demlitarized zone i say we should let them. The aggression from The October Alliance was shown mostly towards the Russian Federation and Bjornya if other members of VCO would like to keep their borders undemilitarized and their TOA counterparts agree i don't see any reason why this shouldn't be followed through. Are there any objections to the addition of that clause to the treaty by those who already signed?"
Cotland
11-01-2006, 10:09
Meyer smiled.

”We don’t agree that the TOA is the aggressors in the cases presented but rather the Russian Federation, but we shall not dwelve in that any further. We allow for the clause to be added," he said to the Russian representative. He then turned to the Elephanti representative with a smile.

"With the permission from the Elephanti Government, the Kingdoms border along those areas where we share a border with Elephantum will remain militarised, but with no intent to engage in hostile actions with the United Sultanates of Elephantum. Naturally, we shall have no concerns with the Elephanti government doing the same. We also hope to retain our long-lasting friendship with Elephantum, and maintain our trade relations. We also hope to continue for the Elephnati government to allow Norwegian pilgrims to pass over the border to the holy places.”
Pushka
12-01-2006, 01:06
"To save time, if anybody has any objections please speak up if not we will add the clause."
Layarteb
20-01-2006, 16:14
The Empire does not feel anyone has a voice except the two nations involved in said clause, Norway and Elephantum, therefore we care not.