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Bwahaha I sort of copied that other fellow's format for 2010 RPG

2008-Dick Cheney defeats John Edwards and becomes president despite wide remarks of voter fraud, vote buying, disenfranchisment and so on. He promises to move the country further to the right.
2011-On 17 April, Israel bombs an Iranian power plant (like they did to Iraq once). Iran's Ayatollah issues a fatwa against Israel and Iran declares war. Then, Syria pledges to back up Iran in war. The US decides it is necessary to intervene and Cheney asks Congress to declare war and they do. Britain pledges to aid the US and help protect Israel. China, still booming economically and now with a strong military as well, declares war on the US and will support Iran in its fight against the US. Russia aids Iran and Syria, but does not yet declare war. North Korea now sees the opening and attempts to reunify South Korea.

The war will erupt as soon as all necessary powers are taken. If you can figure out a way to include another nation, please tell me.

Positions Open:
Britain-
Israel-Sel Appa
South Korea-
United States-
China-
Iran-
North Korea-
Russia-
Syria-

Some needed adjustments




2008-Dick Cheney defeats John Edwards and becomes president despite wide remarks of voter fraud, vote buying, disenfranchisment and so on. He promises to move the country further to the right.


Dick Cheney will probably be retiring his political carrer by the end of Bush's term and John Edwards so FUBARed his talking to Dick Cheney in the open house discussion that no right minded democrat would ever support him.




2011-On 17 April, Israel bombs an Iranian power plant (like they did to Iraq once).

A more convincing person would be Syria or Sadui Arabia, both more militeristic (we are finding out more and more of Syria and it's assinations) and have the whole Middle East behind them. So the best would be Sadui Arabia being the leading member in OPEC and since oil is such a hot topic these days.


China, still booming economically and now with a strong military as well, declares war on the US and will support Iran in its fight against the US.

Why? US is the lead importer of Chinese made goods by almost double if not more.



Russia aids Iran and Syria, but does not yet declare war.

With what? Iran already has nukes and besides, the Russian ones are to big to be transported in a briefcase and to old not to be shot down by the US Missle Shield.


North Korea now sees the opening and attempts to reunify South Korea.


Now and days North Korea is so backwards Singapore could singly handly out match it much less US/Japan backed economicaly better SK.

Here's a more plausible storyline.

2007-Reconstruction is officially completed in Iraq, and Coalition soldiers begin the final journey home, leaving behind
2008-Hilary Clinton (:D ) defeats Connie Rice and wins the presidental election, the first women to ever do so. She steers a left leaning course for the next 2 years.
2010- North Korea, after suffering a stalling economy and mass famine, collaspes into anarchy. China sends troops over the border on a "peacekeeping" mission, reaching the former capital in days. SK and UN forces move in through the 38th parallel, and the two armies meet near Pyongyang. Rebel forces comprising of former NK army units strike into the invaders (or liberators), creating an Iraq-like situation.
2011- Reports of skirmishes between SK and Chinese forces grow, however the UN denies involvement. In Saudi Arabia, freedom regins as a student-led rebellion against the oppresive royal government suceeds in taking control of the country. U.S. troops on Saudi soil begin to feel the heat.
2012- The democratic Saudi Arabia forms an alliance with Isreal. Eygpt joins later. Iraq, also a democratic nation, enters the alliance in 2013. Iran, Syria, and Jordan begin massing troops on the borders of Saudi Arabia and Isreal. The United States sends the 101st Airborne division into action, dispatching them to the Middle East.
2013- T-90s and Merkavas clash in the deserts of Isreal!

i'm sorry but the machup as set is way to far in faver of one side. the United States can be mached in military power(more or less) by any of the three listed here

China
North Korea
Russia

even if one of them is not a full match all three could probably take out anyone aside from an allied EU and US force.


after that, China would not fight a war with the US, they would lose so much in traid...

North Korea can't do shit against the US and Russia has disarmed well enough that they'd lose in the long run. China wouldn't risk war with the USA.

Sorry, but this is hardly realistic.

i'm sorry but the machup as set is way to far in faver of one side. the United States can be mached in military power(more or less) by any of the three listed here

China
North Korea
Russia

even if one of them is not a full match all three could probably take out anyone aside from an allied EU and US force.


after that, China would not fight a war with the US, they would lose so much in traid...

Indeed. North Korea, with it's modern army, superior air force, and massive navy is easily able to challenge the most powerful military machine in the world.

Russia is still quite a military power, and is slowly on the road to recovery, but I don't see a war with the United States anytime soon.

China's economy would be devestated should it attack the US, and their military is still not quite on par with the United States's, despite what you may hear.

Let's face it everyone, there is no hole-proof recipe for a modern world war by conventional means. The only way we would have a mass world war is if a coalition force asymmetricly attacked either the EU or the United States

Indeed. North Korea, with it's modern army, superior air force, and massive navy is easily able to challenge the most powerful military machine in the world.

Russia is still quite a military power, and is slowly on the road to recovery, but I don't see a war with the United States anytime soon.

China's economy would be devestated should it attack the US, and their military is still not quite on par with the United States's, despite what you may hear.

North Korea, though poor is still has one of the best armies in the world, and Russia and China could take on the US together.

hell, if China and the US where to go to war both would have problems. China loses traid, US prices go up

North Korea's army looks tough, but they have next to no food, fuel or ammunition. Their million man army is poorly trained conscripts, and aging tanks and IFVs. They have no usuable air force, and hardly even have a navy.

Compared to a nation with a similar sized, highly trained, volunteer army, advanced armor (remember 73 Eastings) , the best air force in the world, and a massive navy.

They're situation is similar to pre 1991 Iraq in which you'd think they'd put up a decent fight, but they get completly creamed instead, not to mention we have South Korea and their own advanced military on our side.

On top of that, Russia and China have no reason to work together, that's the problem. Russia has got it's own battles to fight in Chechnya, and they are basically broke, while China enjoys a booming profitable trade with the West.

North Korea, though poor is still has one of the best armies in the world, and Russia and China could take on the US together.

hell, if China and the US where to go to war both would have problems. China loses traid, US prices go up

I agree with you there; however the effects would probably be. worse in China than the U.S. just because the U.S. is one of the leading buyers of Chineese goods.

This might be enough to buckle China's rapidly increasing economy. Also lets face it the Chineese must know what a war with the U.S. and South Korea would mean; especially if the UN got involved because that means that many EU nations will get involved. I think that the Chineese realize what that would do to their economy.

Militarilly though they may hold off and be able to force a stalemate; especially if the war starts with an invasion of DPRK by RoK (and most likely Japan and the US at least). Korea is just to small for the kind of large fronted aromored warfare the US army, as well as most western armies, excell at.

Which is not to say I would mind China getting its ass kicked!;)

2012- The democratic Saudi Arabia forms an alliance with Isreal. Eygpt joins later. Iraq, also a democratic nation, enters the alliance in

Why would any democratic nation support such a undemocratic country as Israel.
Britain and the EU would be civilised and oppose the US-Israel Alliance.

The United States is also good at kicking the shit out of third-world air forces. In Iraq, the air war nearly completley destoryed the regular armored forces of the Iraqis.

Naysayers...can't we just go along with it and play. If you want to debate its plausibility, there is a topic for that I made in General.

Why would any democratic nation support such a undemocratic country as Israel.
Britain and the EU would be civilised and oppose the US-Israel Alliance.

I would have to wonder how you define a "democratic" nation if Israel isnt one. And how you can justify not helping the country you helped bring about through the Holocaust (by you I mean Europeans).

This scenario is mostly unrealistic for a simple reason. Nor russia, nor North korea, not more than China would take the risk of going in a war for syria and/or Iran.

Even there, lets say it happens like that... the conventionnal power of the U.S. army, U.S. Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps is well known. Even combining the not-so-bad weaponed Chinese army (3M soldiers), the wannabe North Korean army (1M soldiers) and russia (wow, now talk about an army that almost dont exists anymore) wouldnt beat, as i see it even only U.S. and Israël.

technical facts:
1) U.S. Air Force Owns. period. even the newest russian prototypes (Mig 1.44, S-38 Berkut...) are only a match for the usual U.S. crafts (F-15, 16, 18...). And were not talking about new U.S. fighters like the F-22 not more than the U.S. unmatched stealth capabilities (F-117, B-2A). So when ur talking about the good north korean air force (same for chine), try think that these are armed with old generation fighters, like the Su-17, Mig-19, or Mig-25... etc. Theyd just get (censored).

2) U.S. is the only world power capable of projecting its power everywhere on the planet (with its carriers all around the world). yea, chinese, north koreans and russia have large armies, but they can't send them anywhere. So technically, U.S. would be able to hit its enemies, while they would have trouble hitting the U.S.. Moreover, to fight on a real battlefield, these enemies would have to get through all russia, then Turkia... then who knows what. Huge logistic problem.

3) U.S.Navy is the most powerful around. They overpower not only in quality, but also in quantity their opponents.

4) U.S. ground troops are here again more powerful than their opponents. better trained, and better armed. Note that the armmored forces of U.S. are far more powerful than their russian counterparts wich arms all those nations (M1A1 Abrams tank just owns T-92 EM).

Have i forgot something? oh yea
5) U.S. Strategic forces are still the #1 ex-aequo with Russia atomic power so whatever it goes on, were all scr**ed. Fact aigains the U.S.: their missile shield is like swiss cheese: almost only holes. Test have succeded an interception only once on 10 and with easier conditions (no decoys, an IFF transponder in the target).

U call that a war? i say a bloodbath.
If u doubt my infos just make some searchs about these countries' armies. I havent even thought about Israël, which forces are dominent in the sector, and wich aviation is the best on this planet.

Naysayers...can't we just go along with it and play. If you want to debate its plausibility, there is a topic for that I made in General.

How bout we stop trying to rip his idea to shreds?

Id like to join, but I dont know enough about any of these countries militaries.

I would have to wonder how you define a "democratic" nation if Israel isnt one. And how you can justify not helping the country you helped bring about through the Holocaust (by you I mean Europeans).

You call the persecution of the Palestinians Democracy
and the stealing of the land
Democracy would be creating a single state where Jews, Muslims and Christians could live in peace with equal rights.
And I hope that you aren’t suggesting that all Europeans are responsible for the Holocaust since my country was fighting the Nazi whilst the yanks where making a profit from the war.

Why not do an alternate history?? Forget the Soviet collapse ever occured or change something else in the past. What if Hitler had won? Change enough history and you could get it pretty even on both sides.

You call the persecution of the Palestinians Democracy
and the stealing of the land


I find most interesting that their was no violence when the Arab Nations controlled those pieces of land, besides Isreal is puling out of the Gaza and West Bank.


Democracy would be creating a single state where Jews, Muslims and Christians could live in peace with equal rights.


Can't happen, I am not being racist but Muslims think that ladies must go around wearing a hood all day and need to be treated like poo. Christians think that ladies are on par (maybe a little lower) with men. Muslims can have 100+ wives if they feel like it while most Jews would rather die than have more than one (or maybe just Christians would die). So to some equel would be in human.


And I hope that you aren’t suggesting that all Europeans are responsible for the Holocaust since my country was fighting the Nazi whilst the yanks where making a profit from the war.

Actually France and Poland should be held semi-accountable for the Treaty of Versailes and its way of forcing Germany to bite back. (Poland couldn't have accepted Danzig which would leave Hitler with little if no reason to get too much power over Germany).


How bout we stop trying to rip his idea to shreds?

Anyhow I though this was labeled "Planning Room", some plans need to be adjusted and I especially like


Hilary Clinton defeats Connie Rice and wins the presidental election, the first women to ever do so. She steers a left leaning course for the next 2 years.


I didn't think about that and it is so RL that I think that is what is going to happen in the coming election. I give Velkya's idea a 10/10.


the United States can be mached in military power(more or less) by any of the three listed here

China
North Korea
Russia


In one National Geographic issue "Divided Korea", it labels the GDP of NK and SK. NK's is very low and it spends 31% of it on it's army. Now SK spends 3% and is about the same as the 1082000 combined force (Air, Land, and Sea Branches) of NK. Now that is almost all in the Army with almost no mechanized equipment, mostly using the over so popular Russian Tactic of using your troops to suck up your enemies ammo. So hard to belive NK could even take on one American division.

Russia I think we have talked to deth but it is a no.

Now China, we could make China have paroxy war in Korea while acting like they are perfectly horrified (while giving arms, an army, and funds) at the war.

Now I would like to be Germany, mostly so that the EU will have to be active (since Germany is the most powerfull member and me so active on NS) and the UN Security Council (Is Germany on the UN Security Council?).

Why not do an alternate history?? Forget the Soviet collapse ever occured or change something else in the past. What if Hitler had won? Change enough history and you could get it pretty even on both sides.
Genius! This thread is messed up anyway. MAybe Hitler wins Stalingrad...or USSR doesnt collapse. Ill make a poll!

EDIT: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460456

Id just like to point out a few things.
1. The Middle East, and Iran, despise each other. Iranian's do not consider themselves Arabic, and actually despise the Arabic people. Iran allying themselves with Syria, makes little to no sense.

2. Any Communist nation, or nation that claims to be communistic, will never find themselves allied with a muslim nation. So the North Korea + China threory of teaming up with Arabs... not gonna work.

3. North Korea could not do shit against the United States. Nor could China. The technology gap between the US and China is so great, China should not be feared any more than a group of North Korea's.

But eh, your RP.

You call the persecution of the Palestinians Democracy
and the stealing of the land
Democracy would be creating a single state where Jews, Muslims and Christians could live in peace with equal rights.
And I hope that you aren’t suggesting that all Europeans are responsible for the Holocaust since my country was fighting the Nazi whilst the yanks where making a profit from the war.

I am by no means saying that ALL Europeans are responsible for the holocaust; as that would be irresponsible and incorrect. However, I do believe several prominent countries in Europe are indirectly responsible for it. I would include the French and English predominantly in this list. I do not however, blame the people currently living in these countries for this; but you should have a sense of Morals and helping the Israeli's control their OWN territory is, or rather should be at the top of this list.

In addition to this I do not blame the Israeli's for holding on to the territory they captured, in reality it made strategic sense. It takes some real brass balls for them to hand back the territory the have captured in multiple wars back to the previous owners at risk to their own country.

Finally in respect to the Israeli's I think the Arabs living in Israel created their own problems about how they are treated. When you control a nation despised of by your neighbors just because of what religion is predominant there and people who control those nations surrounding you are sending RELIGIOUS FANATICS TO ATTACK YOUR COUNTRY how do you think you would treat them? If the Muslims who dislike living under Israeli rule would just leave and stop blowing themselves up then it would make things much easier for the very few which dont mind.

Id just like to point out a few things.........of North Korea's.


Well I will like to point out a few things, they include....

1.) We are not doing this RP anymore.
2.) Instead of posting some facts posted several times you could have said I agree with.....

But anyhow I would like to see you in the RP being continued in the hyperlink that Sel Appa has provided.

I am by no means saying that ALL Europeans are responsible for the holocaust; as that would be irresponsible and incorrect. However, I do believe several prominent countries in Europe are indirectly responsible for it. I would include the French....


I pretty much say "Kudos" for you and agree.


and English predominantly in this list.

No, Lloyd George in the end wanted to let the Germans go almost scott free but the French kept pushing for a stake drivin into Germany's heart.


I do not however, blame the people currently living in these countries for this; but you should have a sense of Morals and helping the Israeli's control their OWN territory is, or rather should be at the top of this list.
In addition to this I do not blame the Israeli's for holding on to the territory they captured, in reality it made strategic sense. It takes some real brass balls for them to hand back the territory the have captured in multiple wars back to the previous owners at risk to their own country.
Finally in respect to the Israeli's I think the Arabs living in Israel created their own problems about how they are treated. When you control a nation despised of by your neighbors just because of what religion is predominant there and people who control those nations surrounding you are sending RELIGIOUS FANATICS TO ATTACK YOUR COUNTRY how do you think you would treat them? If the Muslims who dislike living under Israeli rule would just leave and stop blowing themselves up then it would make things much easier for the very few which dont mind.

Well know that he (Bautzen) won this we can continue. A few comments, I totally agree and all of the points he presented I couldn't have disagreed with facts nor with my opinions.

I think that it would be possible that the INLA would do some attacks in defience of the British because many of the British soldiers would be away. Many old IRA people take up arms in support of the INLA

(Note: The IRA has dissarmed and Northern Ireland is still in Englands hands)