NationStates Jolt Archive

My Military ORBAT and equipment will eventually go here, but for now heres some eye candy.

Ato-Saran Weapons:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/P10.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/R-12.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/R-3SCarbine.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/P-4.png


Ato-Saran Vehicles:
Silverback MBT
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/SilverbackMBTjungle.png
Screecher IFV
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/UtanIFVjungle.png
Howler S/ST
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/HowlerSSTjungle.png

Ato-Saran Ships:
Jiang-Wei Type III frigate
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/jiangwei-III.png
Scylla GOPV
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/Scyllaclassattackboat.png

Ato-Saran Aircraft:
Ka-83 'Arable'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/roflopter3.png
Ka-82 'Anon'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/roflopter2.png
Ka-80 'Atilla'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/roflopter.png
Gan Ning Type II LR-SSM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/GanNingTypeIILRSSM.png

With the exception of the FN P90, weapons in the bullpup configuration have not been very popular with infantry rifle squads. The P90 has become the standard submachine gun for police tactical and military special units operating in close combat or urban environments, however supplies are limited. Weapons and 5.7X28 Armour piercing rounds are expensive and supplied mostly to our police units. We do have an (unlicensed) P90 knockoff in the more compatible 5.56 NATO cartridge which we call the PK90. These are available for immediate purchase.
For our infantry, airborne recon and mountain units we have developed a modernized and accurized version of the AK47, designated the AK77. For our long range recon and sniper-scout units we have developed an accurized version of the Dragunov SVD sniper rifle in 7.62 NATO equipped with a Unertl 5-10x44mm scope and a bolt action rifle based on the Savage 111 long action 7mm Remington Magnum equipped with 8.5-25x50mm scopes. We find the rifles that we have developed and the expert marksmen who are trained to use them are force multipliers.
Rgds,
Ministry of Defense of Karokestan

Well thanks for that info, ill be sure to bear it mind.
If you wish to comment further on some of these weapons please head over to http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx an comment in the Urban Assault Recon Weapons thread

With the exception of the FN P90, weapons in the bullpup configuration have not been very popular with infantry rifle squads. The P90 has become the standard submachine gun for police tactical and military special units operating in close combat or urban environments, however supplies are limited. Weapons and 5.7X28 Armour piercing rounds are expensive and supplied mostly to our police units. We do have an (unlicensed) P90 knockoff in the more compatible 5.56 NATO cartridge which we call the PK90. These are available for immediate purchase.
For our infantry, airborne recon and mountain units we have developed a modernized and accurized version of the AK47, designated the AK77. For our long range recon and sniper-scout units we have developed an accurized version of the Dragunov SVD sniper rifle in 7.62 NATO equipped with a Unertl 5-10x44mm scope and a bolt action rifle based on the Savage 111 long action 7mm Remington Magnum equipped with 8.5-25x50mm scopes. We find the rifles that we have developed and the expert marksmen who are trained to use them are force multipliers.
Rgds,
Ministry of Defense of Karokestan


and since when does what hapens in your nations militery apply to his.

oh and there is a reson the Ak-47 has 47 its because the weapon was made in 1947 and AK stands for Automotive Kalashnikov. so having a wepon called the Ak-77 is just silly

and re-tooling a P-90 for 5.56 NATO means that it isn't really the same weapon

and a Dragunov SVD is a russian weapon and the 7.62 NATO cartridge is well NATO which makes your weapon a comletaly different one to the original one

and AK stands for Automotive Kalashnikov
No, actualy it stands for Avtomat Kalashnikov. Get your facts straight before you rip on people.

oh well i got that wrong but i am pretty shure that i am right on the rest. if i am not well just ignore every thing i said.

and since when does what hapens in your nations militery apply to his.

oh and there is a reson the Ak-47 has 47 its because the weapon was made in 1947 and AK stands for Automotive Kalashnikov. so having a wepon called the Ak-77 is just silly

and re-tooling a P-90 for 5.56 NATO means that it isn't really the same weapon

and a Dragunov SVD is a russian weapon and the 7.62 NATO cartridge is well NATO which makes your weapon a comletaly different one to the original one

Thanks for your input, we welcome input from almost anyone sometimes.

The drawbacks of some bullpup designs are general knowledge. Some bullpup configurations are extremely well done and have there merits. For general rifle teams though, the complaints I have heard (especially from the UK):
The discharge of shell casings and gasses are too close to the shooter's face. This makes it impossible for a left handed shooter to shoot a right handed weapon, and makes switching hands impossible. (often it is necessary for a right hander to fire left handed around corners to avoid exposing his body to enemy fire) Some designs have solved this problem by making the discharge chute field switchable. The P90 avoids this problem by discharging casings down and to the front of the weapon. Another issue is the length of the weapon. Bullpup configuration is meant to make a more compact weapon while allowing a longer barrel than typical submachine guns like the UZI.
Shortening the weapon reduces the natural aiming ability of the shooter, but it allows for easier portablity and makes for a less cumbersome weapons. So there are some trade offs.

Our AK47 VARIANT's full designation is AKHBC77A, but that is generally shortened to AK77. We don't have the rights to the AK47 design or name, so in order to make use of the brand recognition without violating the trade name, we have named it similarly. You will note that Russia has since produced the AK-74, AKS-74 and AK-74M, the AKM (Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovannyj), the Nikonov AN94 , the AK-103 all of which are modified or modernized AK47 variants and most are produced in russia by IZHMASH.
There are more AK variants in production at IZHMASH and licensed to other companies as well
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/

Some improvements we have made over the AK47:
Heavy stainless steel fluted barrel with muzzle brake/flash suppressor
Ambidextrous
Top mounted Weaver style tactical rails
Gas operated, rotating bolt
Composite stock
We have maintained the reliability and simplicity of the AK47 while significicantly increasing the accuracy and operation.

As for our P90 variant, the PK90: while it has a similar design and operating principle, it is not simply a P90 rechambered for the 5.56, as this would be impossible, expensive and not at all worth the effort. The PK90 is a weapon we designed from the ground up. The 5.56 NATO round was chosen to make NATO adoption of the weapon as a standard more likely. FN's weapon is more expensive and uses ammunition that is not widely available in smaller, out of the way countries.

The Izhmash SVD and SVDS sniper rifles use the Russian 7.62 x 54R round. As we are not fond of the Russian round, and not impressed with the accuracy of the SVD, we built a rifle that outperforms it with 7.62 NATO (7.62 x 51) ammunition. Again the standard NATO rounds were chosen for availability. Although there is always talk of NATO adopting new ammunition, we find that this is just defense industry rumor and ammunition manufacturers trying to hype up their latest creations.

I find all this talk tiring and frustrating as it is -15 degrees out here and getting any weapons testing done will be extremely uncomfortable, if not impossible until the weather improves. Have a good day.

Regards,
Ministry of Defense of Karokestan

so having a wepon called the Ak-77 is just silly.

and re-tooling a P-90 for 5.56 NATO means that it isn't really the same weapon

and a Dragunov SVD is a russian weapon and the 7.62 NATO cartridge is well NATO which makes your weapon a comletaly different one to the original one

Why does naming an AK-47 variant AK-77 sound silly? And no, retooling a P-90 for use of NATO ammunition is not making it a different weapon, it just changes the caliber and might affect the killing power and range of the weapon, but an entirely different weapon? no.

That fact that there are variations of hundreds of weapons means that there are going to be similar and different, but on basis the same weapon. I find it rather bothersome that you'd post in a message to just to tell a guy who created his own weapons specifics that he's being silly. I think that is silly.

Anyway, well done Atp-Sara, I like the tanks especially.

The drawbacks of some bullpup designs are general knowledge. Some bullpup configurations are extremely well done and have there merits. For general rifle teams though, the complaints I have heard (especially from the UK):
The discharge of shell casings and gasses are too close to the shooter's face. This makes it impossible for a left handed shooter to shoot a right handed weapon, and makes switching hands impossible. (often it is necessary for a right hander to fire left handed around corners to avoid exposing his body to enemy fire) Some designs have solved this problem by making the discharge chute field switchable. The P90 avoids this problem by discharging casings down and to the front of the weapon. Another issue is the length of the weapon. Bullpup configuration is meant to make a more compact weapon while allowing a longer barrel than typical submachine guns like the UZI.
Shortening the weapon reduces the natural aiming ability of the shooter, but it allows for easier portablity and makes for a less cumbersome weapons. So there are some trade offs.



The problem with the shell ejection in the R series has been solved by using the 7.62x51mm caseless ammunition that is standerd for Ato-Saran armed forces and those of the Federation as a whole.
The P10 and P-4 Tactical also use caseles ammunition the 9x18mm calibre to be exact.
As for concerns about aiming, the R and P series are both part of the Urban Assault Recon Weapons project (UARW) that was recently initiated by the CSC logistics departemnt.
This project called for portable weapons with a high rate of fire in response to increasing amount of Urban warzones in and around the federation that the FASA and Jade Guard are being deployed to.

We thank you for you inquires into the Central Strategic Commmand Logistics Department.