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Conglomerate of Capitalist Entities

The Macabees
15-12-2005, 20:53
The CCE has been founded for the futher progression and institution of pure capitalism, the economic theory held to be true within the Second Empire of the Golden Throne. The Conglomerate of Capitalist Entities should be formulated by governments that already institute Absolute Capitalism, or governments that wish to be developed into said economic system. What is Absolute Capitalism, you ask?

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Absolute Capitalism, capitalized, is the union of laissz-faire and the institutional theories of Fascism. One can deduct that this is the opposite of Marx's and Hegel's dialectic, although the theory is the same. Unlike both Georg Hegel and Karl Marx, Emperor of the Golden Throne Fedor I, theorized that historical progress was marked by aggression and violence inspired by the compulsion to excel economically, as opposed to what Hegel believed, which was violence inspired through God. Regardless, the idea is that struggle brings together thesis and antithesis into a single 'new thesis', or more accurately a synthesis. Throughout history, struggle has led to the continuous development of new synthesis. But unlike Marx and Hegel, Absolute Capitalist theory does not believe that it is within itself the final synthesis; in fact, the theory is rather progressive, and this theoretical impetus is driven through the Conglomerate of Capitalist Entities, the economic board of international capitalism, founded by the Second Empire of the Golden Throne. Absolute Capitalism is a relatively new theory which attempts to capitalize, pun intended, on the theories of capitalism and the few successful ideas of fascism, all mixed with a tint of progression and iced with a layer of Verogianism.

In simplest terms, as said beforehand, Absolute Capitalism is the union between Pure Capitalism and Fascism. Laissez-faire is held to the core with belief that there should be absolutely not government intervention in localized, national or global economics, except with a single exception that will be described below. It is speculated that through trade between absolute capitalist the market will fluctuate as dictated by supply and demand, and that government regulation of goods is unnecessary simply because if the subject good is overpriced supply is reduced. In terms of necessities to survive for the common peon Absolute Capitalism dictates that either an alternative will be born of human reluctance to continue purchasing that good, or in other words alternative goods will be looked for, or there will be a natural development of an opponent. It is accepted that through human nature mistakes will result, however, absolute capitalism holds to truth that human nature also dictates that there will be an attempt to solve this mistake; absolute capitalism makes sure that the social contract theory proposed by John Locke and Thomas Hobbes is not followed when it comes to economic progression - instead, obstacles are solved by the economy itself; meaning, it is regenerative within itself. To this effect, it's admitted that David Ricardo's iron law of wages is correct, but it is not agreed that the government should provide a minimum wage. In effect, it's postulated that minimum wage will be set by itself through simple supply and demand economics. At a certain wage workers would simply refuse to work any longer and so there is a natural minimum wage; in other words, wages restrict themselves upon the inherent ability for humans to choose to work or not. Robert Michelss iron law of oligarchy theory is also followed and accepted as a truth. However, it's also believed that both the Bourgeoisie and the lower class are intertwined in economic progression and through natural law both effect said progression so that in fact the next synthesis is one that distributes the advantages to both.

Deviating from pure capitalism is when Absolute Capitalism begins to relate to Fascism's ideals on the role of the state. In essence, the end result of Absolute Capitalism should be the improvement of the state economically and socially. In other words, the success of the economy ultimately benefits the wellbeing of the state itself. The definition of state, in this case, being: the sovereign administration of a nation, or groups of nations. To this extent, the government is also an economic institution, or even conglomerate, leading to the greater support of Michels' iron law of oligarchy theory; in other words, the administration is a group of elite individuals. There is a fine line between the role of government in the economy which should be fully specified for a complete understanding of Absolute Capitalism. The government, within itself, has absolutely no role in economics, however, the success of private economics, both locally and nationally, in turn give the ability for the further progression of the state as a whole since in the end the wholesale privatization of the economy means that the government can simply hire out an industry to further social and cultural wellbeing. The government's funds come through a series of loans which a government can manipulate. Government A can accept a loan from Bank X to pay off Industry N, and then pays off Bank X by accepting a loan from Bank Y. In that form, the government is always in debt, taking into consideration Henry Clay's theories that national development takes precedence over national debt.

The single role that government plays in Absolute Capitalism is the global revolution of the theory. There is no iron law of free trade with non-capitalist governments, or governments that favor restrictions, and consequently it should be the responsibility of the government to impose the economic system on others. This doesn't imply that government should establish restrictions, it implies that government has the role to guide the international continuation of the economic system. Although absolute capitalism is believed to be a natural occurrence it is also postulated that it is a long achieved synthesis, meaning the evolution to the system is a slow change, and thus to speed up the progression the respective government can introduce the previous anti-thesis and thesis, which then merge into Absolute Capitalism's original synthesis, or whichever synthesis is developed thereafter. Invariably, no system can be imposed and expected to survive; in other to achieve perpetual success it is thought that it must developed as a natural occurrence, and so the previous synthesis is introduced and so struggle continues and thus through natural occurrence the new synthesis is developed at the will of common morality.

You can find the Wiki article, written by myself here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Absolute_Capitalism), with the same information and an added history and conclusion.

I leave the rest up to you and any discussion on the alliance should be carried out here.

Current Members [7]:
A Few Rich People
Doomingsland
Halisnovski
Jenrak (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Jenrak)
New Ausha
Second Empire of the Golden Throne (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Second_Empire_of_the_Golden_Throne) [The Macabees]
Skibereen
Somplace
Thrashia (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Thrashia)

Forums:
CCE Official Boards (http://cce.modernwarstudies.net/index.php)
Doomingsland
15-12-2005, 21:19
Official Imperial Response

Because the Empire currently harbors warm relations with the Golden Throne and the fact that the Empire prides iself in it's superb, capitalistic economic state, falling under the category of what has been classified as 'Pure Capitalism,' we find ourselves with a painfully obvious decision. That decision is to apply to join the Congolmerate of Capitalist Entities.
Thrashia
15-12-2005, 21:25
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"Greetings to the Empire of the Golden Throne! I am Emperor Octavius Shadaum IV, ruler of the Empire of Thrashia. I am keen on such designs and alliances that aim at such directions as the one you have mentioned. While my nation is currently rebuilding itself from the loss of our home planet, we are a strong people and my nation has a strong economy. I favour trade and inter-galactic relations and any such agreement concerning the existence of Free-Trade between our great nations and fortwith of any other nation that join, I wish to present my formal request to join this alliance of trade, and will be formally sending a represenative to speak on my behalf."

-Emperor Octavius Shadaum IV
Emperor of Thrashia
Ruler of the Julian System
The Macabees
15-12-2005, 21:39
Both the entities of Dommingsland and Thrashia are welcomed into the alliance, and both of your representatives are welcomed.

[OOC: Although I suspect most of us are going to be modern tech having a future tech establishment is alright, so any differences in technology don't matter - economic systems can stay the same. So, welcome to both. I'm currently contemplating the establishment of a forum, but that really depends on the ultimate membership success of the CCE.]
Skibereen
15-12-2005, 21:47
Heading
The Skibereenian Economic Ministry

Body of Letter
With regards to the 'theory' of Absolute Capitalism as it relates to the Three Isles of the Armed Republic of Skibereen.

The school of economic thought speaking in the localized domestic capacity as struggled with finding the proper classification of the Skibereenian economic model.
After a cursory reveiw it has been determined that, it would seem the Golden Throne of Macabees proposed model is indeed more applicable in relation to our own unnamed model then any other current theory.

The basic published article has been forwarded for academic reveiw and peer evaluation.

Adoption of the terminology of this model, is in affect affirmation of use of the model itself where it applies to our nation.

We are compelled to offer a great cogratulations for such clear and open sighted break through in progressive economic theory.

With regards to the Conglomerate of Capitalist Entities,
The Nation of Skibereen will petition to be recognized as already operating under the essential principles of the ACT(Abosulte Capitialism Theory).

Under the strict understanding that in recognition of divergence from all 'models' natural function will often prove unpredictable and outside of clinical projections.
The protectionist tools employed by Skibereen are to defend its economic structure from corrupt systems which might suerve to corrupt our model.

With Regards,
Minister of Economics
Signed
Abdul-Malik Aziz
Scandinavian Duchies
15-12-2005, 21:58
There exists already a capitalistic organisation called the ACCEL (alliance of capitalists, conservatives, and economic libertarians).
Halisnovski
15-12-2005, 22:03
To: The Golden Throne
From: Halsinovskite Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The City-State Republic of Halisnovski wishes to join this Conglomerate. Granted, our armed forces are weak, our economy is still stuck in a Socialist ice age (which we are fixing due to the efforts of Prime Minister Cornelius) and our country is small, we will somehow be invaluable in the future. We also have many corporations (all private) but the main one is the H Corporation which can be considered the Acme of the City.

So therefore, we humbly request that you let us in. We will help this Organization and we won't be like those stinking liberal Rosians who think that Socialism works.

Yours,
Natalie Britannica
Minister of Foreign Affairs

(This is TIOR so you know what you're gettin' :p)
The Macabees
15-12-2005, 22:18
To: Abdul-Malik Aziz, Skibereen
Indeed, it has been high time for a progressive capitalism theory, which includes the tenets of pure capitalism, arises, and in the future it will be the job of us higher entities, if you will, to educate the rest. Within the context of the CCE I think that this will be one of many priorities of the conglomeration, apart from a unified progression and development of new synthesis and such. If you would like you are to be included into the ranks of the CCE, and you are already listed as such. Thank you for your continued interest.

[signed]Jench Fersas, Foreign Advisor

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To: Natalie Britannica, Halisnovski
Yes, of course, a socialist nation with the intention to transform itself will be allowed. Under the guidance of Prime Minister Cornelius there is no doubt that Halisnovski can be turned into a capitalist haven. The only big breakthrough needed is the reduction of all tarrifs which are relevent to nations within the CCE. Through this our companies can intercede, unopposed, into your own economy and quickly provide you with the grounds for struggle necessary - thesis and antithesis - and with a push from your own argument the required synthesis will be created. Regardless, welcome to the CCE.

[signed]Jench Fersas, Foreign Advisor
The Macabees
15-12-2005, 23:01
bump
Jenrak
15-12-2005, 23:28
The Dark Children of Jenrak prize an economic power above all others, and would wish to join this if at all possible.
Otagia
15-12-2005, 23:44
OOC: I'm slightly confused. How would such a government be able to sustain itself if its only source of revenue is loans? Eventually, banks would simply stop giving the government money as it's never going to really pay them back.
The Macabees
15-12-2005, 23:51
OOC: I'm slightly confused. How would such a government be able to sustain itself if its only source of revenue is loans? Eventually, banks would simply stop giving the government money as it's never going to really pay them back.

OOC: Of course it pays it back; it's just an ongoing national debt, much like what the United States has today. There's not much difference in the operation of the government when it comes to such thing, except the government has no economic role whatsoever. In the end, even the banks profit from giving loans so there would be no reason for them to tell the government 'no', as when the government takes out a loan there is a certain interest; so the next loan must be amount that the government ows the last bank. In that sense, banks make profit off each other and it's a somewhat of a circle effect - nonstop. In the end, what will reduce or heighten the national debt would be supply and demand; the government might find a loan with less of an interest rate, and so national debt would drop. In the end, however, there is a government revenue which is formulated through taxes on the individual and perhaps even foreign tribute and such. There just wouldn't be any taxes on business within itself.
Doomingsland
16-12-2005, 00:06
OOC: I'm slightly confused. How would such a government be able to sustain itself if its only source of revenue is loans? Eventually, banks would simply stop giving the government money as it's never going to really pay them back.
OOC:We're still waiting for you to post in the war thread...
Otagia
16-12-2005, 00:14
OOC:We're still waiting for you to post in the war thread...
Working on one as we speak. I had a nice long one typed up, but it got eaten.
Somplace
16-12-2005, 00:32
The capitalistic empire of Somplace would like to offer its support in this endevor. We support capitalism and enforce it in our laws. THus we will join if an invitaion is granted us.

Imperator du Somplace,
Ershuude De' Qurrora, Second Imperator, First Royal line, etc.
Of Pyron, Pironic Continent, Pyronne(planet), Pyronian System, Sector 11-7, Fanged Star Galactic Republic
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 00:39
OOC: Admitted, oocly. I don't want to spend time with IC replies...for future information, activity is a must. I think I'll put up a forum if we ever hit thirty nations, and then those that join will be deemed real members and active members. Hopefully, this will kick off.
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 01:12
To increase the relative activity of this thread I've decided that perhaps the members should start working on a treaties which we would all agree on and would form the crux of the reason for joining the CCE [as a quasi-charter]; this can later be posted publicly for a general international trade treaty that both CCE and non-CCE members can sign and agree to, forming a general merchant treatise. Any thoughts?
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 02:03
Screw it! I'm putting up the forums anyways, that way I may get more applicants.
A Few Rich People
16-12-2005, 02:14
From: Director Morecraft, leader of New Mikosolf
To: The Second Empire of the Golden Throne

Despite our nations fractured state , the more or less fifth we here at New Mikosolf control are already instituting something much like your statement describes.

Therefore we would be delited if you would allow us into this wonderful organization.

Signed
Morecraft
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 03:30
http://cce.modernwarstudies.net/index.php - register if you're truly interested!
Halisnovski
16-12-2005, 03:33
WoW is still goin' on? Wow.
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 03:51
WoW is still goin' on? Wow.

Unfortunately it's dying, which is why we're making a move back to Jolt.
Halisnovski
16-12-2005, 03:56
I see.

Ah well. I just hope this Alliance gets goin', and maybe my new nation can get a springboard for new RPs...
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 04:01
Yea, the economic role playing should provide a change to the RAWR I declare war on you!!!
Halisnovski
16-12-2005, 04:06
And you have me, of course >_>
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 04:15
Of course!
New Ausha
16-12-2005, 04:19
New Ausha was founded on the virtues and benefits of capitalism. I would like to file an application, for our nation to join the Conglomerate.

Alexander Warolof- Minister of Foreign Affairs
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 04:21
To: Alexander Warolof, New Ausha

Of course, we have witnessed your fervent support for capitalism and your absolute idealogical battles against communism. You would make a perfect member of the CCE. Please, send a delegate as soon as possible [register on the forums], for talks on our first treaty have already begun! Welcome to the CCE!

[signed]Jench Fersas
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 04:48
bump
Tocrowkia
16-12-2005, 06:10
Surely, Macabees, you know we, the Tocrowkian Reich, are devout capitalists and strict anti-Marxists. We would be honored to join this alliance.

-Reign Foreign Ministry-
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 06:16
To: Reich Foreign Ministry
By all means, of course, you are a wonderful addition to the CCE. Please, send a delegate [register on the boards] so that you may instantly be included in the progression of the first treaty we are drafting to formally introduce the CCE and Absolute Capitalism to the world.

[signed]Jench Fersas
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 19:04
Bump
The Macabees
16-12-2005, 20:07
A new synthesis is being developed for administrational income...
The Macabees
17-12-2005, 00:22
up!
The Macabees
19-12-2005, 02:02
Bump
Weapons-Tech incorp
19-12-2005, 02:10
As a part owner of the UIFC we are glad to see others share our thirst for a profit. So as part owner I would like to begin descussions on a neutral pact between us so as we are not to begin stabbing each other in the back...