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New Order Third Reich Ends Isolationism

Iridian States
15-12-2005, 18:39
[OCC: This is the introductory thread for my alternative history Fatherland, by Robert Harris-inspired modern Third Reich nation. Basically, it is an attempt to roleplay a possible nation that might have existed had Germany won the Second World War. Let me first make absolutely clear from the very beginning that I myself find Nazi and racist ideology to be reprehensible, and that the in-character opinions of my state are not neccessarily my own. Now, before we begin let me point out this is an modern-tech nation. The roleplay is open to all.]

IC:

By Order of Führer Directive No 832

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From: Reich Foreign Ministry, New Order Third Reich
To: International Community

After a long period of isolationist foreign policy, the New Order Third Reich feels the time is right to promote a more active presence in international affairs.

To this end, the Führer and Reichskanzler, Hans Gerhard Fritzsche has authorised me to request formal diplomatic relations with other nations and to offer to any nation embassies within our marvellous capitol, Germania (the former Berlin).

We are also interested in establishing trade pacts and military alliances with the sovereign nations of the world.

[Signed]
Ludwig Todt
Reich Foreign Minister


Map of the New Order Third Reich and her Empire:

Link (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/IridianStates/map1.jpg)


CIA-Factbook Entry for the New Order European Union (the means by which the Third Reich controls much of its Empire, uncompleted):

The World Factbook
The New Order Union of Europa

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Introduction

Background: After the final victory of Nazi Germany in the Second World War, the Third Reich was left in the peculiar position of being the undisputed master of Europe, dominating the continent both militarily, economically and politically. In this unique aftermath, Hitler annexed to the Reich the territories he felt rightly belonged to the German people, forming Greater Germany, but the question of what to do with the rest of Europe remained unclear.

Nations that had fought for the Axis during the war were rewarded for their services with greater territories and beneficial trade pacts, while those defeated by the Wehrmact had pro-German or fascist puppet governments installed. For the next thirty years Germany and her satellites would be locked in a frightening three-way Cold War with both the Soviet Union and Anglo-Americans, a Cold War that ended with the Nazi block as a clear winner.

By the eighties internal pressure was mounting to begin allowing greater autonomy to the nations of the Nazi block, but Berlin remained hesitant to surrender too much control over its European empire, which contributed to the Third Reich’s power enormously. The Tripartite Pact was therefore evolved to form the New Order European Union, a confederation of European self-autonomous states. The respective governments of the EU handle the day-to-day running of nations with some freedom but are ultimately answerable to the Third Reich, which dominates the New Order EU by its hold of a majority of the seats in the New Order European Parliament.

All nations of the New Order European Union are required to contribute economically and military to the Third Reich. This is done through special trade agreements and due to the need to supply a set quota of troops to the rapid reaction taskforce of the New Order EU, the EuroKorps.



Geography

Location: Europe between Russia, the Ukraine, southeastern Europe, and the North Atlantic Ocean

Map references: Europe

Area: total: over 10,000,00 sq km

Maritime claims:
territorial sea: 12 nm
contiguous zone: 24 nm
exclusive economic zone: 200 nm
continental shelf: not specified

Climate: cold temperate; potentially subarctic in the north to temperate; mild wet winters; hot dry summers in the south

Terrain: fairly flat along the Baltic and Atlantic coast; mountainous in the central and southern areas

Natural resources: iron ore, arable land, natural gas, petroleum, coal, copper, lead, zinc, hydropower, uranium, potash, fish

Irrigated land: 354,000 sq km



People

Population: greater then 700,000,000

note: the population of ethnic Jews in Europe and peoples in the Eastern Economic Zones are classified as a Reich secret, though the latter does not fall within the jurisdiction of the New Order EU but instead under the direct control of Nazi Germany.

Age structure:
0-14 years: 20.5%
15-64 years: 65.5%
65 years and over: 14.0%

Population growth rate: 0.5%

Net migration rate: virtually non-existent

Sex ratio:
at birth: 0.90 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 0.90 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 0.88 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.86 male(s)/female
total population: 0.88 male(s)/female (2005 est.)

Infant mortality rate:
total: 3.2 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 3.5 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 2.9 deaths/1,000 live births (2005 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 86.71 years
male: 83.89 years
female: 89.67 years (2005 est.)

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: 0.001% (2003 est.)

Nationality:
noun: Europan, Iridian (informally, after the treaty that created New Order Europe)

Ethnic groups: classified as a Reich secret

Religions: officially atheist

Official Languages: German, English and French

Literacy: definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 100%



Government

Country name:
conventional long form: The New Order Union of Europa
conventional short forms: New Order, European Union, New Order European Union, Europa
abbreviations: New Order EU, EU, NOEU

Government type: a hybrid intergovernmental and supranational organisation

Capital: Germaina (formerly, Berlin), Third Reich
note: both the New Order Council, the New Order European Parliament and the New Order Courts are located in Berlin

Administrative divisions: 23 countries: Third Reich, Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Rumania, Serbia, Slovakia , Spain, West Ruthenia.

Dependent areas: The Eastern Economic Sphere (EEC) including the Reichkommisariats of Moscow, Ukraine and Caucasus

Independence: 2 May 1982 (Iridian Treaty signed, establishing the New Order EU)

National holiday: Hitler’s Birthday, 20 April, (1889)

Suffrage: 18 years of age
TheMilleniumGroup
15-12-2005, 19:02
OOC: Ok, we RP as the Vampiric remenants of the Third Reich, hiding and building an army in South America...Now; how would our factions interact...?
Iridian States
15-12-2005, 19:07
OCC: "Temporal distortions in the space-time continuum" that allow a bridge to form between our two parallel universes (one where the Third Reich lost, and one where it won)?

But that is the least of our worries, what I want to know is how vampires can interact with a modern technology country.
TheMilleniumGroup
15-12-2005, 19:10
OOC: Quite Quite easily; Vampires can do anything a human can do, if not better. Besides; the Nazi's dabbled in the occult; taming the Vampire could easily be one of those projects (I.e, in the Hellsing Manga where I drew my nation inspiration from)
Iridian States
15-12-2005, 19:16
OCC: If you want to make yourself known to the New Order Third Reich that's fine I guess, but we will have to put some restraints on the boundaries of the RP because mine is supposed to be a realistic nation.
TheMilleniumGroup
15-12-2005, 19:18
OOC: So is mine. Mine functions entirely realistically; I won't be making any over the top claims....
TheMilleniumGroup
15-12-2005, 20:18
OOC: So, you wanna start a thread?
Iridian States
15-12-2005, 20:24
OCC: Feel free to reply in this thread if you like.
Iridian States
15-12-2005, 20:56
[OCC: Might as well put this propaganda poster here, as I don't have any other threads for my nation. Enlistment in the EuroKorps is open to foreign and NOEU citizens alike]

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Join EuroKorps Today!

Serve the Reich
EuroKorps is charged with protecting the New Order European Union and the National Socialist way of life from the Anglo-American west and the forces of Bolshevism. We protect the interests of the Third Reich through the use of military force and diplomacy. By joining EuroKorps you serve Hitler’s memory and the Reich, by joing EuroKorps you fight for your country.

Experience the change of a lifetime
Your decision to join the Third Reich’s elite EuroKorps will have life-changing implications for you. The lessons you learn in the military about yourself and the world around you will make an indelible impression on you for life, and you will rejoice in the knowledge of having been one of few to serve with the most fearsome fighting machine known to man. You will meet new people and visit new places, EuroKorps is truly the chance of a lifetime.

Receive impressive benefits
All EuroKorps soldiers receive a university education free of charge, and earn wages that are unmatched in militaries anywhere else in the free world. There are numerous other incentives to join, such as excellent health and dental packages, generous pensions upon your end of tour of duty and the chance for large land allocations in the East. All people who serve in the EuroKorps receive full citizenship in the New Order European Union.

Enquire with your nearest SS-Hauptscharführer for further details.

[Signed]
Ernst Spengler
SS-Gruppenführer, EuroKorps (Germany)
Juche Resistance
15-12-2005, 21:02
[OOC: I would like to note that for official religion, it would probably be a modern form of paganism/occultism addapted for a centralized state. There is extensive evidence that the Nazi Inner Party wanted to establish a Neo-Nordic Pagan religion.]
Call to power
15-12-2005, 21:06
ooc: I take it Jewish persecution is still used but concentration camps aren't known?
Iridian States
15-12-2005, 21:09
[OOC: I would like to note that for official religion, it would probably be a modern form of paganism/occultism addapted for a centralized state. There is extensive evidence that the Nazi Inner Party wanted to establish a Neo-Nordic Pagan religion.]
OCC: I considered this, but in my opinion the bizzare views of Himmler and those next to him where not nearly widespread enough to warrant the belief that the Nazi state would have invented a "Neo-Nordic" religion.

In my opinion, Hitlers and others drew on such symbolism and devices for the "heroic Aryan mythology and history" that it conjured, one that didn't exist, not as any serious religious belief (Himmler excluded).
Iridian States
15-12-2005, 21:13
ooc: I take it Jewish persecution is still used but concentration camps aren't known?
OCC:
In this nation the Final Solution was completed by the end of the 40s. The Reich government maintains the lie that the Jews have merely been relocated to the East, and not exterminated, which is why all census data of ethnic Jews in Europe are classified as state secrets. Furthermore, all population information for the Eastern territories is similarly classified due to the massive program of depopulation through starvation, lack of provision of basic medical care and amenities, reprisals for partisan activity and overwork that was conducted there from the 40s to the 60s, which the Reich doesn't want the world to know of.
Tocrowkia
15-12-2005, 21:35
From: (Tocrowkian) Reich Foreign Ministry
To: Reich Foreign Ministry

Greetings, Third Reich.

While we Tocrowkian's have long thought German society quite inferior to our own, the fact cannot be denied that we share some things in common. While Tocrowkia has long been a sovereign nation, and the Tocrowkian people and Culture are different entities entirely from German, our language is based on German, and our economic polices could be similar to that of your own. So therefore, we offer you a military alliance with the Tocrowkian Reich. Few nations are blessed with this privilege, so we look forward to your reply. Some of the benefits of a Military alliance with the Tocrowkian Reich are:

1) A massive, potent Navy, Army, and Luftwaffe protecting your land and borders and interests.

2) A MAD pact between us. Should anyone use nuclear arms against you, which is doubtful considering we would shoot it down long before it reached any of your interests, we will glass their nation entirely.

3) And of course, the mental factor of being allied with the Tocrowkian Reich. The very fact that you are allied with us could, and probably will, deter any invasions on it’s own.

As we have stated, we look forward to your reply.
Juche Resistance
15-12-2005, 21:36
ooc: I take it Jewish persecution is still used but concentration camps aren't known?

OOC: The Jewish population would've been exterminated by the early 1950s. In fact, at the rate that the extermination camps and the Einsatzgruppen (sp?) were going, I would guess that the European Jews, Roma (gypsies), Communists, and other 'undesireables' would've been 'liquidated' as early as 1947.
Findan
15-12-2005, 21:40
OOC; What about China, South AMerica, Australia, USA etc? what happend to them?
Iridian States
15-12-2005, 22:01
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From: Reich Foreign Ministry, New Order Third Reich
To: Reich Foreign Ministry, Tocrowkian

Greetings to the Tocrowkian Reich Foreign Ministry.

The Führer is always willing to establishi alliances between the many Volksdeutsche nations, and we would be honoured to forge a pact of friendship with your noble nation.

The Reich Foreign Ministry is confident that our alliance shall lead only to great things.

[Signed]
Ludwig Todt
Reich Foreign Minister


OOC; What about China, South AMerica, Australia, USA etc? what happend to them?
OCC:

I’m not entirely sure, but this is what I was thinking. I stress that it is only the vaguest of outlines.

The US suffers a catastrophic defeat at Midway Island from which it never recovers, losing all of its carriers for the damage of only one Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft carrier. Imperial Japan goes on to expand throughout Southeast Asia, invading parts of Australia, India, and the Hawaiian Islands, causing the US to sue for peace. They complete the defeat of China in a bloody war that lasts well into the fifties and the Japanese Greater East-Asia Co-prosperity sphere consists of Japanese colonies and puppet states throughout the Pacific and Asia.

The Second World War comes to an end in Europe with the dropping of the Atomic Bomb on Manchester by the Third Reich, which leads to a bitter peace.

South America and Africa are marred by countless proxy wars throughout the following decades during the three-way Cold War between the Anglo-American alliance, the Soviet Union and the economically and militarily powerful Nazi block, which wins the space race and the Cold War, becoming the only remaining superpower by the turn of the 21st Century.
Velkya
15-12-2005, 22:57
OOC: Don't want to burst your bubble here, but have you checked out all those swastikas with the mods yet, posting them could be serious trouble.
TheMilleniumGroup
16-12-2005, 01:32
"Ja, ja, it is working mein Fuhrer; the device is largely based on American researches which led to the Philadelphia Project; and other extra-dimensional experimentations; if I am correct-" The white clad figure paused, chewing nervously on his gloved fingers; pulling at it with fanged teeth as he observed the whirling vortex, stabilised between great archways of metal and glimmering techno-arcane runes. "-We should be able to facilitate the mass transport of troops and materials from one location to the other..."

"Excellent; you never cease to dissapoint, my dear Doctror"

"My thanks, Mein Fuhrer; my surest thanks..."

The whirling gateway undulates and seethes; hissing and crackling with energies unfathomable; power unknowable. There is a flash, a crackling wave of energy; and a tremendous sound....Then a tremendous silence. The gateway fizzles out of existence; despite repeated kickings from the Doctor; the Major sighs softly; turning, almost as soon as the message from the Reich erupts over the radios; a message from a Reich who never lost?

Instantly, they respond.

To: Reich Foreign Ministry New Order Third Reich
From: Millenium High Command.

Greetings, brothers in the Reich. In accordance withthe late Fuhrer's executive order 666; we of Millenium report our successful survival in the face of the Reich's destruction; while remaining somewhat confused as to your...Wholeness. As a representitive of the Millenium Organisation, and a surviving member of the Schutzstaffel; I offer my hand in friendship and prosperity between our nations.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!

HEIL!

Yours,

The Major.
Asgartha
16-12-2005, 04:52
Abwehr Headquarters, Neuer Asgartha“What do you know,” asked Oberst Karl von Seydlitz, choosing his words with extreme care, “Of Führer-Ordnung No. 666?”

SS Grüppeführer Klaus Fischer looked at him with narrowed eyes. “Why do you ask?”

“We intercepted a radio broadcast from the surface; it was transmitted from somewhere in South America,” von Seydlitz said.

Fischer frowned, shifted in his seat, and then looked the Luftwaffe Oberst in the eye. “Wait here and I will fetch something,” he said, and then rose. “I will be back in ten minutes. In the meantime … FrauleinMüller, could you fetch the Oberst here some refreshment?” And with that, the SS Grüppeführer excused himself.

Ten minutes later, he returned with an aged, battered folder. Untying the strings that held it closed, he reached in and withdrew a yellowed, typewritten sheet of paper.

He handed it to Oberst von Seydlitz, and then patiently sipped a cup of herb tea as he waited for the Luftwaffe officer to finish reading.

“Is this … is this genuine?” asked the Oberst, clearly taken aback.

“Quite,” replied Fischer, not batting an eye.

“So…” von Seydlitz said, “The Führer ordered research into the use of ... necromancy ... in defence of the Reich.” He paused, raised an eyebrow, and asked. “I suppose that I should take it as a given that the effort failed utterly?”

“You should not,” said Fischer in an even voice. “Here.”

The Oberst scanned the document the SS officer had handed him. Midway through, he lowered the document, a look of mixed shock and horror on his face.

“They succeeded?” gasped von Seydlitz.

“Yes,” said the Grüppenführer. “They began with zombies and proceeded to vampires, although we do not know if the created any of the latter; zombies, on the other hand, they most certainly did create. They were also experimenting with lycanthropy. And hexes of various kinds.”

“Gott in Himmel!” exclaimed the Luftwaffe officer. “That was sixty years ago. How far have they gotten since then?!?”

But Fischer wasn’t looking at von Seydlitz. He was looking out the window at the vastness of Neuer Asgartha – literally, “New Asgard”. He was watching the monorails streak along the soaring tracks between the massive buildings and the personal Flugscheiben whizzing through the air. The vast metropolis gleamed in the darkness, lit by power generated by the Reich’s many atomic power stations. The panorama was breathtaking.

“Probably,” he whispered softly, “As far as we have.”OOC: To get a sense of the look and feel of the city, imagine a Nazi version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!Ja, aber dessen Führer (Yes, but whose Führer)?
Iridian States
16-12-2005, 04:55
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From: SS-Führungshauptamt, New Order Third Reich
To: Millennium High Command

Greetings from the New Order.

The Führer is most curious of your claims, as no records exist in our files of a directive No 666 nor a Millennium Group Hauptämt within the SS.

That said, if you really are a forgotten remnant of the glorious Reich and its ever loyal SS, we are always willing to extend the hand of friendship and establish an alliance with you. Indeed, we would be honoured to hammer out a pact of steel between our nations.

As a surviving member of the Schutzstaffel, SS-Sturmbannführer, you are still considered under the nominal command of the operational headquarters of the SS by the New Order Iridian Third Reich, though we have no desire to reign in your self-autonomy. You are directed by your Commander-in-Chief to send a representative to the New Order Third Reich.

[Signed]
Wilhelm Lammerding
Reichsführer-SS, New Order Thrid Reich
TheMilleniumGroup
16-12-2005, 05:05
To: SS-Führungshauptamt, New Order Third Reich
From: Millennium High Command

As you wish, so it shall be done. As you have stated, you have no desire to rid us of our autonomy; nor have we any desire to give it up. Simply put, ReichFuhrer, the Fuhrer's executive Order 666 supercedes all existing command structures.

We shall, of course, send a representative; Leutenant Rip Van Winkle shall attend; accompanied, perhaps, by Warrant Officer Schrodinger.

You can expect them to arrive by Zeppelin, within one to two days, once coordinates are provided. For the glory of the Reich and the Fuhrer, we are glad to have found you once again, brethern.

Yours,

The Major;
Acting Fuhrer.
Asgartha
16-12-2005, 05:16
A Luftwaffe Listening Post in Asgartha, Somewhere Near the Antarctic Holehttp://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/IridianStates/SS.jpg

From: SS-Führungshauptamt, New Order Third Reich
To: Millennium High Command

Greetings from the New Order.

The Führer is most curious of your claims, as no records exist in our files of a directive No 666 nor a Millennium Group Hauptämt within the SS.

That said, if you really are a forgotten remnant of the glorious Reich and its ever loyal SS, we are always willing to extend the hand of friendship and establish an alliance with you, we would be honoured to hammer out a pact of steel between our nations.

As a surviving member of the Schutzstaffel, SS-Sturmbannführer, you are still under the command of the operational headquarters of the SS, though we have no desire to reign in your self-autonomy. You are directed by your Commander-in-Chief to send a representative to the New Order Third Reich.

[Signed]
Wilhelm Lammerding
Reichsführer-SS”Ernst, give me some idea of what’s going on here,” commanded Oberst von Sedlitz.

Dr. Ernst Bauer touched his lips with steepled fingers and reflected for a minute. Finally, he pronounced a verdict.

“Parallel universes,” he said.

Von Seydlitz arched an eyebrow.

“We know they exist,” offered the scientist in the way of explanation. “Quantum physics proves that.” He took off his glasses and cleaned them. Then, donning them again, he gave a wry smile and added, “Not to mention the classified incident involving that Serbian group.”

“They came from the surface,” von Seydlitz objected.

“But they didn’t go back to the surface, did they?” Dr. Bauer reminded the Luftwaffe officer. “We know that because we followed them to that accursed plain – what was it, Leng or Tsang or something Tibetan?” He shook his head. “Wherever it was, it wasn’t our world.”

“So what do you suggest?” asked the Oberst.

“This first group we should avoid until we know more,” said the scientist without a moment’s hesitation. “The occult experiments were never resumed when we arrived here because the creatures we produced were … unreliable. The magic, of course, we are still trying to recreate.”

“But this other Reich,” continued Dr. Bauer, “Once convinced that they are living in a different world – one in which we won the war instead of losing it – might be willing to treat us as an equal partner. After all,” he concluded, “They can’t claim that we’re a lost command that is only now reporting in: we are entirely different nations on separate worlds.”

The Oberst nodded. “I agree with your assessment and will take it up the chain of command.”
Iridian States
16-12-2005, 07:20
[OOC: If other nations would rather condemn the New Order rather then seek to forge relations with it that is fine too ;) ]

IC:
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From: SS-Führungshauptamt, New Order Third Reich
To: Millennium High Command

Very well, SS-Sturmbannführer, we look forward to meeting with our lost National Sozialistische kameraden of the so-called Millenium Hauptamt, for too long estranged from the bright light of the New Order Third Reich.

SS-Obersturmführer Van Winkle and her entourage are cleared to land at Tempelhof International Airport, in Germania (the former Berlin), where facilities exist for your Zeppelin to land. There their superior officers will meet with them.

[Signed]
Wilhelm Lammerding
Reichsführer-SS, New Order Thrid Reich

OCC:
OOC: Don't want to burst your bubble here, but have you checked out all those swastikas with the mods yet, posting them could be serious trouble.
I have, though I didn't receive an offical reply.

OOC: To get a sense of the look and feel of the city, imagine a Nazi version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis.
The cities of the New Order European Union are basically a curious mix of Speer's grand plans to remake Berlin (for example like this (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/IridianStates/Germania.jpg) plan) and ultramodern and impressive buildings and skyscrapers.
Findan
16-12-2005, 16:37
To: The New Order Reich
From:Foriegn Ministry, Imperial Land of Findan
Subject: Diplomatic relation with the Reich

To whom it may concern:
The Imperial Land of Findan is unsure of our postition vis-a-vis with the Reich and would like to dispatch a diplomatic team coinsisitng of a Consul and a Millitray Attache to determine what the best course would be. We in Findan have always been troubled by Nazism and the rumors of the genocide of Europe's Jewish population. We would like to determine if Jews and Slavs and other groups have indeed exterminated by the Reich.

Sincerly,
Emperor Samuel II

Foreign Minister Baron Sir Charles Hassahoff

Defense Minister Lord Sir Reginald Cooper
Allemande
16-12-2005, 17:25
OOC: Hmmmm. I have a logical problem with this situation.

The United States of Allemande would like to open diplomatic relations with the Reich (although they will be difficult; we will, for example, “ask” you to account for the missing nationalities, and when you fail, we will probably impose trade sanctions on you). Unfortunately, Allemande’s history contradicts that of the New Order Third Reich.

We are a Western Pacific nation (but a settler state, like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the U.S., 95% of whose population is European) located near the Phillipines and New Guinea; we were invaded in WW2 and partly overrun by the Japanese. Our fleet escaped and joined the USN for the Solomons Campaign while our army fought an intense ground war (includings some of the only armour-on-armour battles fought by the Japanese against the Allies). Eventually, Macarthur’s forces landed and helped liberate the occupied portions of our country. We then accompanied the Allies on their continued offensive to defeat Japan, from the Phillipines through Okinawa to the final surrender.

In your alternate history, we don’t exist – we were overrun by the Japanese and are now part of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. Therefore I’m wondering: is it even possible for our two nations to interact?
Iridian States
16-12-2005, 17:29
Warning! Message contains references to European Jewry, rerouting query to SS Economics and Administrative Department under direct order of the Reichsführer-SS:

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From: SS-Wirtschafts- und verwaltungshauptamt, New Order Third Reich
To: Foriegn Ministry, Imperial Land of Findan

Greetings from the New Order European Union!

Firstly I can assure you that the lies spread by Bolshevik propaganda hinting at any mistreatment of ethnic Jews in Europe to be wholly without basis in fact. The real truth is far more mundane, namely that, in order for the Jews to live more joyful and prosperous lives, the Third Reich generously provided for their relocation to the fertile areas of the East after the end of WWII, where they live happily and successfully.

The SS would only be too willing to allay your fears by allowing you to tour certain Reich-designated areas of the Eastern Economic Sphere. Of course, we will have to limit the visit to certain selected locations due to the ever present danger of partisan activity. Fear not, however, for we shall provide your entourage with a heavy Gestapo escort.

I must stress that the Jewish districts are out-of-bounds to foreigners however, under order of the Führer, because of the recent surge in partisan activity. No doubt this is for their own protection.

We look forward to meeting you at Tempelhof International Airport, Germania, Third Reich.

[Signed]
Sophie von Stein
SS-Obergruppenführer, New Order Third Reich
Iridian States
16-12-2005, 17:34
OOC: Hmmmm. I have a logical problem with this situation.

The United States of Allemande would like to open diplomatic relations with the Reich (although they will be difficult; we will, for example, “ask” you to account for the missing nationalities, and when you fail, we will probably impose trade sanctions on you). Unfortunately, Allemande’s history contradicts that of the New Order Third Reich.

We are a Western Pacific nation (but a settler state, like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the U.S., 95% of whose population is European) located near the Phillipines and New Guinea; we were invaded in WW2 and partly overrun by the Japanese. Our fleet escaped and joined the USN for the Solomons Campaign while our army fought an intense ground war (includings some of the only armour-on-armour battles fought by the Japanese against the Allies). Eventually, Macarthur’s forces landed and helped liberate the occupied portions of our country. We then accompanied the Allies on their continued offensive to defeat Japan, from the Phillipines through Okinawa to the final surrender.

In your alternate history, we don’t exist – we were overrun by the Japanese and are now part of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. Therefore I’m wondering: is it even possible for our two nations to interact?

OOC: It appears that top-secret experiments conducted by "the Doctor" of the Millenium Group have somehow caused our two alternate realities to collide, and therefore travel and communications are now indeed possible, though we be from different universes. It's not really important how or why this occurs, just go with the flow.. ;) (By the way, Millenium, that was an excellent post, I like how you manage to link different occult/conspiracy theories together in your posts)

The world of my hypothetical Nazi victory is thus fully accessible to even those with conflicting histories.
Findan
16-12-2005, 20:19
Imperial Palace, Granton, Findan

Emperor Samuel II said "So the Iridians won't let us see there Jewish areas. I just don't trust them. I don't trust Nazis period. Let say we take them up on their offer, whats to stop them from showing us exactly what they want us to see."

Foriegn Minister Bron Sir Charles Hassahoff said "Well, nothiong, your Grace, nothing I can see though Minister Goldstein can give you more help on this than I can."

Intellegence Minister Randolph Goldstein was a twenty-three year veteran of the Intellegence Ministry. He was a very muscular and looked more like an athlete than a Minister of Intellegence. His list of infiltrations was long and the Reich was on it. He spoke up " I belive that they did exterminate the Jews there. This whole relocation deal is just a smokescreen to keep international pressure off their backs."

Defense Minister Lord Sir Reginald Cooper spoke up, "I'm not saying I don't belive you, but how can we confirm this?"

"Well," Goldstein responded, "My father was hidden by his nieghbors when he was living in Hamburg and afteer the war he was able to sighn on a merchantman under an assumed name and when the ship was a stop in Stockholm he stoleaway on a Pavilostan flagged ship and then got off board in Granton, where he lives todday. Also the Ministry probably has evidence buried deep in files somewhere, if I dig I can find them."

"Thank you for that insight, Randolph," said the Emperor, "Start lookign for any evidence of genocide right away. Unfortunatly we cannnot do anything untill after the election, hopefully the Crown Centrists will have a majority again. Would your father be willing to testify in Parliment if it came to that?"

"Yes he would, Your Grace."

"Good."
****
To:SS-Wirtschafts- und verwaltungshauptamt, New Order Third Reich
From: Foriegn Ministry, Imperial Land of Findan

We shal send our team in two weeks. To see if we want to begin diplomatic relationship with the Reich.


Sir Charles Hassahoff, Baron, Foreign Minister
TheMilleniumGroup
17-12-2005, 02:38
The mighty zeppelin filled the skies over Tempelhof airport; Germania; a vast and heabing beast of a vessel; hovering; steadying as it lowered; a great ramp unfolding; stairs lowering; as Rip strode forth, clad in black Uniform; flanked by black coated SS officers; a musket slung over one shoulder; as the curious form of Schrodinger followed behind her.

Clad in a Hitler Youth uniform, the boy seemed young, beautiful; as though formed by some omnipotent hand; flawless, save the wolf (or were they cat?) ears that protruded from his head; and the sleek, almost animal grin, that dwelt, teasingly, upon his face. Each soldier, accokmpanied by Rip and Schrodinger, ground to a halt at the bottom of the ramp; raising their arms in almost automatic crisp salute.

"HEIL!"

"On behalf of the Major, and Millenium; we extend our greetings and our allegience. It is a fine sight to see the Reich again; a fine experience to breath Aryan air" Rip bowed little, the curl of hair at the centre of her forehead bobbing slightly in contrast with the rest of her flowing locks; she, the wielder of the Magic Bullets; yet almost like Caspar, doomed to be haunted by vague fears of the demon Hunter, Samiel...Petty fears; easily shaken off as she hummed along to Der Freischutz; before smiling, near impishly, at the guards who greeted us.

"Who comes to greet us in the name of the Reich, I wonder?"
New Dornalia
17-12-2005, 03:05
OOC: Fatherland was a good novel, I had the audiobook narrated by Werner Klemperer. Might as well be the first to condemn you, anyway...

IC:

The Unified Peoples of Upper Xen is surprised at the existence of a fully functional Nazi German Government; we had assumed the Allied Forces defeated it in 1945.

As it is, the recent reappearance of one leads us to react to this new force. We find Nazism, Fabusism, and National Communism to be awful horrors, and the fact that Nazi Germany still exists is an evil we cannot ignore. We also have heard rumors as well that the European Jewish population has been "disspeared." Until we can get evidence that the Jews are not as such, we will in no way trade or deal with you.

Gordon Lew
President
Unified Peoples of Upper Xen
TheMilleniumGroup
05-03-2006, 13:49
Bump?
Brydog
05-03-2006, 15:01
To: NWO
From: Liberal Democratic Republic of Brydog

We are suprise, that there are more of you idiots.