NationStates Jolt Archive


The Budapest Convention (E20 RP Only)

Kordo
14-12-2005, 00:57
This convention has been called to discuss the ‘rules of war’ including, but not limited, to treatment of prisoners, civilians and the usage of poison and nerve gas. The Convention will begin as soon as a majority of the delegates arrive.
Sharina
14-12-2005, 01:53
The Chinese will be sending its newly appointed Minister of International Affairs, Lu Hong, to the conference.

Several items on Lu Hong's agenda will be limitations if not banning of chemical weapons, figuring out the consequences should a nation employ chemical weapons, and specify what constitutes a chemical weapon.
Kilani
14-12-2005, 05:01
General de Galle has been authorized to represent France at this meeting. However, there are several diplomatic aides going along with him to ensure he deosn't say anything too damaging...
Vas Pokhoronim
14-12-2005, 05:05
Aleksandra Kollontai, the Union Minister for International Affairs, arrives in Budapest, visiting first with Premier Nagy to offer her sympathies on the recent unrest and her hopes for a brighter future for the Magyar nation under a unified and peaceloving leadership.
Artitsa
14-12-2005, 05:52
Colombia is debating whether or not to send Former President Sewell. We should be discussing an end to war, not setting guidelines to fight them.
Cylea
14-12-2005, 07:00
Robert Gordon Menzies of Australia arrives in Budapest. As this is Australia's first real forray into an international political free-for-all, he will likely observe and follow the lead of Lord Halifax until he gains confidence.
Galveston Bay
14-12-2005, 07:15
Secretary of State Hull shows up and immediately makes the following proposal

(ooc which I am too rushed to write, but this link will do nicely)

http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/sbtwc/keytext/genprot.htm
Sharina
14-12-2005, 08:25
Secretary of State Hull shows up and immediately makes the following proposal

(ooc which I am too rushed to write, but this link will do nicely)

http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/sbtwc/keytext/genprot.htm

Lu Hong nodded at the American delegate.

"That is a good basis for what we need to do here today. We need to make sure that the atrocities that China suffered at the hands of Japanese gas weapons is not repeated around the world."
Lesser Ribena
14-12-2005, 11:14
The British Minister for War, Lord Halifax, arrivves at the meeting. Whilst he agrees to the text of the document proposed by Secretary of State Hull, he once more makes his objections known to the location of the signing of the treaty and asks why it can't be signed in a strictly neutral country like the usual Switzerland or even Sweden?

Lord Halifax also raises concerns as to how many countries will sign this treaty and how worthwile it will be if the rest of the world (barring those civilised nations here today) ignores the ruling of the League of Nations and this Conference and continues the barbaric practice fo chemical weapons/
Goreing
15-12-2005, 01:15
Delegate Daniel Clark has arrived in Budapest waiting for the Convention to begin. He is glad to see his other Commonwealth delegat Lord Hailfax and Robert Gordon Menzies. He is ready to discuss the matters they come to the convention.

OOC: Have chemical weapons been used any wars you have had?
Philanchez
15-12-2005, 01:31
Ramon Franco will represent the Peoples Republic of Spain.
Malkyer
15-12-2005, 02:12
Charles Swart greets his fellow Commonwealth delegates from Australia and Canada, and joins Lord Hailfax in questioning the wisdom of signing such a treaty in a nation that does not have a historical reputation of neutrality.
Kordo
15-12-2005, 04:32
Hungarian Premier assures the delegations that while Hungary has not always respected the rights of other nations, that was under a different government, indeed the actions were that of a now defunct nation. He also raises the question of the location of the signing has to do with anything. He also implies that the British delegates concerns are that of impertinous self-serving prick. He of course doesn't say this directly.

ooc: By the way, there's a good chance Hungary is going to swing towards the pacifist/isolationist side of the spectrum. Just a FYI
Vas Pokhoronim
15-12-2005, 04:48
Secretary of State Hull shows up and immediately makes the following proposal

(ooc which I am too rushed to write, but this link will do nicely)

http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/sbtwc/keytext/genprot.htm
Minister Kollontai will consent on behalf of the Union to this protocol (though I assume that for RL's "French" the E20 version should read "Hungarian").

And she agrees wholeheatedly with Premier Nagy's assessment of Mr. [sic] Halifax.
Middle Snu
15-12-2005, 05:11
OOC: Have chemical weapons been used any wars you have had?

OOC: The Japanese used them against the Chinese in the Chinese Revolution and subsequent Japanese Invasion.
Lesser Ribena
15-12-2005, 17:48
OOC: Have chemical weapons been used any wars you have had?

OOC: Not against me, or any Commonwealth nations, but I beleive the Spanish were the first to get on the wrong side of them? Or the Russians may have developed them before this, I can't remember a lot.

IC: Lord Halifax is pleased to have the support of his Commonwealth colleagues and ensures that their tables are placed next to his so that a united front can be presented and discussion can occur privately.

He presses Premier Nagy on the matter of neutrality and states clearly that Britain will not respect this convention with the same sancity that it does the Swiss ones unless Hungary can categorically state her neutrality at this moment in time and promise a swift withdrawal from all international alliances in which she is involved.

He reiterates that Britain has no legal problems with the text of the convention but just the neutrality of it's location.

OOC: Sorry to get stuck up on this, but it's just the way it's always been and we Brits are sticklers for traditionality.

OOC: VP, international legal documents have always been signed in French and English, even when in other countries. I don't really know why (except that most countries will have people speaking one of these languages) but it's just the way it's always been. It's the same reason that pre-EU european passports had text in English and French as well as the native language. I think a similar thing is on every other passport in the world, but i'm fairly sure the US has Spanish on it as well.

Anyway, I am sure there will be no uproar to a Hungarian text being made as long as the traditional French and English texts are compiled as well.
Galveston Bay
15-12-2005, 19:11
ooc
first use of chemical weapons (this timeline) was during the Spanish Civil War just before the 2nd Great War broke out. Oddly enough, they were not used during the 2nd Great War (mutual deterence I suppose) although some plans were made but never implimented to use them against civilian cities. The Japanese use of them was primarily on the battlefield, although some urban bombardment occured just prior to a major offensive.

IC
The United States urges the nations present to sign the convention as proposed.

Japan signs, as does the US, Morocco, the Netherlands, Norway, Siam, the Central American nations (all the NPC Latin American nations as a matter of fact), and Portugal.
Independent Macedonia
15-12-2005, 19:18
Yugoslavia sends Radivoje Jankovic to sign the treaty, Yugoslavia, being one of the first nations to lose men to the chemical weapons, is very hopeful that they will be outlawed. Radivoje doesn't really care where it gets signed, as long as it gets signed.
Ato-Sara
15-12-2005, 19:58
The USEA's reprsentative His Royal highness King Norodom Sihanouk will sign the convention.
Sharina
15-12-2005, 21:03
China signs without question.
Jensai
15-12-2005, 22:18
De Gaulle affixes his name to the document.
Kordo
15-12-2005, 22:48
Hungary signs this document as well.
Abbassia
15-12-2005, 22:53
Ali Ibn Yasir will be representing Algeria in this meeting and also signs the agreement
Goreing
16-12-2005, 01:36
Canada will sign.
Cylea
16-12-2005, 17:11
Then Australia will sign also (ooc: easiest convention ever)
Lesser Ribena
16-12-2005, 17:31
Lord Halifax puts his name to the document in representation of the British Government, though he publically adds that Britiain will maintain her current chemical weapon capabilities in order to retaliate against any non-signatory who uses them against His Majesty's troops or civilians.
Sharina
16-12-2005, 17:47
OOC:

I'm not sure if we have biological weapons at this point in time. I do recall that biological and germ warfare were actually used during the Middle Ages in which the attacker loads up corpses and rotten stuff into catapults and trebuchets, then fling them into the defender's castle or town.

However, I'm not sure when we'll have WMD biological weapons, as in bacteria spores or such like anthrax.
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 17:52
ooc
the capability is very easily generated at tech level 6.. All of the major powers during World War II developed this capability, although mercifully it was not used on a wide scale and only Japan actually attempted to use it at all (Black Plague in China, Unit 617 experiments).

An entire island of the British coast was unhabitable for years due to anthrax experiments.
Sharina
16-12-2005, 19:05
ooc
the capability is very easily generated at tech level 6.. All of the major powers during World War II developed this capability, although mercifully it was not used on a wide scale and only Japan actually attempted to use it at all (Black Plague in China, Unit 617 experiments).

An entire island of the British coast was unhabitable for years due to anthrax experiments.

OOC:

In this case...

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IC:

The Chinese diplomat, Lu Hong, spoke at the conference.

"China would also like to address biological weapons. As China understands it, biological weapons are atrocious weapons based off bacteria, viruses, and synthetic organisms. Some instances of what would classify a biological weapon would include anthrax, bubonic plaque, influzena, and so forth.

Chemical weapons are basically gases made by man. Examples of this include mustard gas, nerve gas, poison gas, and so forth.

These two categories of atrocity weapons must be banned. Who believes that this should be incorporated into the new treaty?"
Galveston Bay
16-12-2005, 19:10
OOC:

In this case...

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IC:

The Chinese diplomat, Lu Hong, spoke at the conference.

"China would also like to address biological weapons. As China understands it, biological weapons are atrocious weapons based off bacteria, viruses, and synthetic organisms. Some instances of what would classify a biological weapon would include anthrax, bubonic plaque, influzena, and so forth.

Chemical weapons are basically gases made by man. Examples of this include mustard gas, nerve gas, poison gas, and so forth.

These two categories of atrocity weapons must be banned. Who believes that this should be incorporated into the new treaty?"

The US points out that they are indeed specifically mentioned in the treaty
Sharina
16-12-2005, 19:36
The US points out that they are indeed specifically mentioned in the treaty

Lu Hong nodded.

"Thank you, Mr. Secretary of State Hull, for pointing that out. That has relieved me somewhat.

Now what kind of punishment should we consider for those who violate this treaty by employing these horrific weapons aganist military targets and civilians? I believe that the punishment for biological and chemical use aganist civilians should be more severe than aganist military targets."
Malkyer
21-12-2005, 00:15
Swart declines to add his signature at the moment, citing both South Africa's lack of a chemical weapons stockpile and the fact that the UoSA would not use such weapons except in retaliation against a similar attack. Swart also agrees with the Chinese delegate that some form of punishment is needed for those who use chemical weapons against civilians. He says nothing similar regarding military targets.