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Starting Wednesday the 14th!

Both me, and the Council of Clan (CoC), have decided to start a new RP for the American Civil war. The premiss of the RP is simple:

1: Chose a civil war General. - The General you pick can be on either side, Union or Confederate. They should be fairly high ranking for a General, as the goal is to have enough players to run a two to three front war. NB: CoC and I reserve the right to select who recieves major names in the war, such as Grant, Lee, McClellan, Stuart, Sherman, Jackson, Hooker and Forrester. Also NB: It is highly suggested that you choose a general that reflects your knowledge of the American Civil War, and the tactics thereof. i.e. don't pick a Lt.Gen. if your entire exposure to the Civil War consists of one HS social studies class.

2: Recieve orders from your superior officer(s). - Once you have chosen a General, your general will be placed within the Union or Confederate Armys' command structure. You will be given a certain number of regements under your control, the names of your direct commanding officers, and a description of the troops you have under your command (which will serve as a measure as to their combat effectiveness). At some point, your commander, be it the Jefferson Davis (me), Abraham Lincoln (CoC), or some other player will give you your orders.

3: March your troops to War... Or not - Talk to your commanders, if they want your troops moved out, and you don't think their ready for battle, tell them that. Do well, you may get promoted to Commander of the Army of the Potomic, do poorly and you'll be out west fighting Indians faster than you can say "Maybe we shouldn't have deployed with our backs to a river".

If you want to play but are unsure of who you want to be, just post which side you want to be on. Either I or CoC will be happy to find you a home.

Further information will be added over the next several days. Any constructive criticism is readily appreciated, as are links or references to civil war sites. You won't have to be a civil war buff to enjoy this RP, but knowledge of the war is crucial if you want a major placement in either army.

Any questions can either be TG'd to me or "of the Council of Clan" or posted here.

Interest so far:

United States of America - (Total Generals - 8 confirmed)
President Abraham Lincoln - of the Council of Clan
General Christopher Andrews - Ftang
Major General Don Carlos Buell - Ottoman Khaif
General George McClellan - Axinon
General John Buford - Malkyer
General William Tecumseh Sherman - Madnestan
Admiral David G. Farragut - Sharina
Brigadier General John F. Reynolds - Kilani
Brigadier General Winfield Scott Hancock - Rodenka
Major General Benjamin Franklin Butler - East Lithuania
Brigadier General John Pope - Goering (sp?)

Confederate States of America - (Total Generals - 9 confirmed)
President Jefferson Davis - Manarth
General Robert E. Lee - Gintonpar
Lt. General Joe Johnston - Whyzardia
General J.E.B. Stuart - Philanchez
General Sindney Albert Johnston - Safehaven2
General Braxton Bragg - Danard
General T.J. "Stonewall" Jackson - Van Normandy
General Pierre Tussant Beauregard - Reagonica
General Nathan Bedford Forrest - Tetris L-Shaped Block
General A.P. Hill - Mini Miehm

(?) = pending
(X) = Vacant

*Short on Union Generals! Join now and fight to preserve the Union (and end slavory if you're really gungho)!

NB: CoC and I will make final decisions reguarding those who have (?) by their names. Please TG us, explaining why you would make a good General, and give a few days for other possible people to select that general.

Suggested Resources for Players
Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Civil_War
The Struggle to Preserve the Union - http://www.swcivilwar.com/index.htm
US Goverment List of all Civil War Regements - http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/regiments.htm
Contemporary Map of Virginia - http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1862/march/virginia-civil-war-map.jpg

Links within the RP
Union Army - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10080444#post10080444
Confederate Army - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458791

July 22, 1861

The Battle of Bull Run (or Battle of Manassas, depending on who you ask) has ended in a victory for the Confederate Army. General Irvin McDowell has earned the wrath of President Lincoln for screwing up the fight, but the confederate armies faired only slightly better, prompting a massive reorganization of both Union and Rebel forces. A mini-civil war has erupted in Missouri, as the Union and Confederate Armies race to assemble a force capable of placing it in either one's fold. Kentucky has declared it's neutrality, Maryland has been placed under martial law, and it seems that the vollenteers in the Union Army are going to be fighting long past their initial 90 day commitment.

Basic Rules

Time

Time begins on July 22nd 1861 (game time) at 12:01pm Wednesday, December 14th 2005 (Eastern Time). Time will be 4X real time, except in the case of major campaigns, when it will slow down to real time.

We will attempt to get in contact with you if you have a "tactical" decision to make. If we are unable to get in contact with you in a reasonable amount of time (24 hours), we will guess at what your intentions would be. We will not kill anyone off, or doom an entire campaign based on not being able to reach you.

Combat / Troop Movements

Telegram us where you want your troops to move and what you want them to do. We will post what actually happens. If combat occurs, we will post a notice in any and all applicable threads to make sure you know about it.

In order to make this interesting, we ask that you avoid using OOC knowledge in making decisions during battles. As such, any posts we make will have a "What Your Generals Know IC" section. We ask that you act accordingly.

For an example:

General U and General C's forces run into one another in Town G at 9:00am on such and such a day. General U has 6 Brigades of battletested Infantry, 3 Brigades of raw draftees, and General S's cavalry (2 Brigades) is five hours ride away, and major reinforcements (General H's army) is about a day's hard march away. General C has 4 Brigades of Infantry, using looted Union equipment, and 3 Brigades of well equiped Cavalry (Under the command of General R), major reinforcements (General L's army) is marching up from the south, and is about 6 hours away.

What General U knows:

A union patrol in town G has run into a picket force of confederates. For them to be this far North means that they are likely the front tip of a rather large confederate force. Your patrol managed to capture one of the men, who revealled that there is at least two Brigades of Infantry and likely several more. The captured Rebel appears ragged, wearing boots two sizes to big for him (lifted off a Union soldier no less) and wielding an old hunting rifle. The Rebel army is likely to the south of town, although actual possitions are unclear at this time.

What General C knows:

Your picket force encountered a Union patrol, and has reported back with slight losses. They report that the enemy patrol was rather strong compared to the usual town garrison, especially this far North. You may have just run into the bulk of the US army. Your pickets report that the enemy is most likely camped to the East of town.

What General R knows:

General C's pickets seem to have encountered Union troops. You'll have to ask General C for more details.

I would like to join as General Christopher Andrews if possible (In the Union)

I would like to play as General Robert E. Lee of the Confederate States of America if possible.






KILL THE YANKEES!!!:sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

Bump for player updates, and first resource site.

Tag!!!



On To Richmond!!!

I would like to be General George McClellan, if possible.

Interesting. I'm not sure how much free time I'll have in the coming days, so could you tentatively sign my up as General Buford (the Union guy who was in charge on the first day of Gettysburg)?

Is this just after Ft Sumter? If so then I take Captain J.E.B. Stuart...or whichever rank you would like to promote him too:D

Oh and hes a Confederate(although I hope you know that)

What a marvellous idea! Very original, which is always a great bonus. I would like to claim the William "WW2 tank" Sherman of the Union, if possible.

I would like to take Braxton Bragg.

I'm going to post my AOL IM SN.
So that the Union Generals can talk to me.

slmdhipsi3si

I would like the honor of playing General Grant or Admiral Farragut if possible. I may alter my choice at a later date once I look up other potential generals.

For ease of communication, Confederate Generals and hopefuls should contact me at KrazyKrazyKelso (AIM) Val-and-Tri@hotmail.com (MSN)

Do you and/or CoC have MSN? I have only that, except mIRC of course. For MSN it's joq2@hotmail.com

I would like to be Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson.

Go see Gods and Generals now, yeah, all eight hours.

I would like to be Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson.

Go see Gods and Generals now, yeah, all eight hours.


Could you provide us with links to previos RP's before we decide to let you be Stonewall?

I'd like to play Brigadier General John F. Reynolds, who was offered command of the Army of the Potomac just before Gettysburg but turned it down. He will, of course, fight for the union.

Information on Reynolds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fulton_Reynolds)

Gods and Generals was shite.

A few suggestions:

1) There were different "general" ranks. Yes, it's anal but not everyone was just "general". Look up what ranks your chosen officer actually held throughout the war. I have chosen Reynolds rank one month after Bull Run and the one he held for the rest of the war, up to his death on July 1st, 1863 at Gettysburg.

2) We need a map for the superior officers to plot over.

3) Do some research on your chosen officer. It will help.

Gods and Generals was shite.


I agree. I really liked the book, but they just did the movie terribly.

I'll take Brigadier General Winfield Scott Hancock.

I agree. I really liked the book, but they just did the movie terribly.


Yeah...

I'm a big Civil War buff. Heck, I reenact it. Let me dig up a picture...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/DSC00207.jpg

That's me on the right.


EDIT:

...and here's (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/P1010010.jpg) some Confederate artillery.

Yeah...

I'm a big Civil War buff. Heck, I reenact it. Let me dig up a picture...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/DSC00207.jpg

That's me on the right.

I am accutally planning on reencating when I am older.

Cool! Not to drag this off-topic, but how old are you and where in the US are you located?

Cool! Not to drag this off-topic, but how old are you and where in the US are you located?

15. Southwest PA.

16.5, just outside DC, have visited Bull Run, Antitem and Gettysburg battlefields.

15. Southwest PA.

Ah! I'm out in California. I have a few suggestions for you for when you get older:

1) Do LOTS of research and put a lot of work into your impression. Both the uniform and how you act. It will show.

2) Check out www.authentic-campaigner.com. Just browse there and read topics. The people there are dedicated to getting their impressions as correct as possible. Listen to their advice. Don't be put off by politics. I just ignore them.

16.5, just outside DC, have visited Bull Run, Antitem and Gettysburg battlefields.

Nice. I'm hoping to visit Gettysburg this coming spring.

Anyway...Go back on topic! I command thee!

Nice. I'm hoping to visit Gettysburg this coming spring.

Anyway...Go back on topic! I command thee!

I would say yes sir, but my General is Confederate. Anyway back on topic.

A few suggestions:

1) There were different "general" ranks. Yes, it's anal but not everyone was just "general". Look up what ranks your chosen officer actually held throughout the war. I have chosen Reynolds rank one month after Bull Run and the one he held for the rest of the war, up to his death on July 1st, 1863 at Gettysburg.

2) We need a map for the superior officers to plot over.

3) Do some research on your chosen officer. It will help.

Indeed research will help but heres my problem. Stuart goes from Colonel to Major General in a little over a year. Depending on starting points He will either be a Colonel Brigadier general or Major General. this also depends on "President Jefferson". Ah and its cool that you reenact. Ive been interested in going to a paintball reenactment of DDay. There is something like 3000 people there and when you get shot you go back to the "Ocean" if your an ally and wait for an hour to rush back "ashore". Tis awsome but its in another state...

I'd like to play Brigadier General John F. Reynolds, who was offered command of the Army of the Potomac just before Gettysburg but turned it down. He will, of course, fight for the union.

Information on Reynolds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fulton_Reynolds)

Gods and Generals was shite.

A few suggestions:

1) There were different "general" ranks. Yes, it's anal but not everyone was just "general". Look up what ranks your chosen officer actually held throughout the war. I have chosen Reynolds rank one month after Bull Run and the one he held for the rest of the war, up to his death on July 1st, 1863 at Gettysburg.

2) We need a map for the superior officers to plot over.

3) Do some research on your chosen officer. It will help.

1: The primary problem is that we most likely won't have enough officers to fill all the appropriate slots. Most likely we'll be sitting on two or three Lt. Generals with only a few Major Generals filling out the ranks. With that in mind, what your character actually was is only crucial in how it relates to #3, because you can bet there will be several "slightly non-historical" promotions when we start the RP.

2: Working on it.

3: YES! Please know who you are actually RPing!

We probably need a Joe Johnston or a Beuragard before we start.

I just find this ammusing:

From Wikipedia

It is alleged that some of his troops attempted to assassinate him on two occasions in August and September 1847, but he was not injured either time. In the more serious of the two incidents, one of his soldiers exploded a 12-pound artillery shell underneath his cot. Although the cot was destroyed, somehow Bragg himself emerged without a scratch.

We probably need a Joe Johnston or a Beuragard before we start.


If they are needed and no one takes them, we can always make them NPC's where the two GM's/Moderators (Myself and Manarth) will decide on how they will act.

http://www.swcivilwar.com/index.htm


A decent source that I stumbled on.

Come on folks, still need some Confederate Generals. And Gen. Lee needs to prove he's got what it takes.

Come on, I still need a General Meade. And a General Grant.

I will be General James Longstreet.

I will be General James Longstreet.

No.


And your not allowed in either. Go Away.

Finally found the thread, whens this thing starting?

Finally found the thread, whens this thing starting?

still hashing out the details. It won't be long though.

No.


And your not allowed in either. Go Away.

:eek:

Is there a reason for this?

I might be interested in signing up if I could play Britain actually recognising the Confederacy and actively looking to break the blockade. Perhaps a third Anglo-American war would be in the offing?

:eek:

Is there a reason for this?


Yes, I've RP'd with Comstan before.

He is a moron.

I might be interested in signing up if I could play Britain actually recognising the Confederacy and actively looking to break the blockade. Perhaps a third Anglo-American war would be in the offing?

well that would only happen IF, and its a big IF the confederacy was really kicking the crap out of the Union.

This would be a wait and see sort of situation.

I'll take General Pierre Tussant Beauregard, if that's ok.

Yes, I've RP'd with Comstan before.

He is a moron.

Roger that. No further questions.

I might be interested in signing up if I could play Britain actually recognising the Confederacy and actively looking to break the blockade. Perhaps a third Anglo-American war would be in the offing?

There would be a high risk for the unwanted escalation of the conflict (and the RP), if we take other nations in, I think. I mean, what makes this idea IMO so original and cool is that it consentrates on generals and details of the war instead of the usual *add a number*-Earth thingy. If we take England, isn't it rather natural to take in France and Germany too, as they would propably be very interrested/concerned about British intervention in the States? And there we have a international conflict of great powers, instead of detailed down-to-the-regiment level warfare of USCW.

I'll take General Pierre Tussant Beauregard, if that's ok.


I'll let you know.


Oh could you TG me Links of other RP's you've been in or any other NS nations that you have.

Your nation is rather young and I can't find much out about it.

well that would only happen IF, and its a big IF the confederacy was really kicking the crap out of the Union.

This would be a wait and see sort of situation.
Well if some iciot hadnt left lees battle plans laying around at chancellorsville i believe it was, then the confederates would have kicked the crap out of the union and Britain would have sided with them...

Well if some iciot hadnt left lees battle plans laying around at chancellorsville i believe it was, then the confederates would have kicked the crap out of the union and Britain would have sided with them...

But that is not the question. The question is, do we want an American Civil War RP, or do we want a Earth 242348374789 World War RP? I'd preferr the first option.

Thats if, Hooker hadn't recoginized that he could have rolled Lee up in Chancellerville.


There are a lot of Iffs. Don't forget that.

But that is not the question. The question is, do we want an American Civil War RP, or do we want a Earth 242348374789 World War RP? I'd preferr the first option.


Me and Manarth Agreed that if the confedercacy is winning enough that England and France recognize it, than the RP is over with the south a free and independent nation.


Don't worry about the politics, thats mine and manarths job. Be true generals and kick ass.

Sounds fair enough. :rolleyes:

Me and Manarth are still trying to figure out when to declare Union Victory.


Because, we might let it get down into guerilla warfare and reconstruction.

- Come on Southerners! We're short on Confederate Generals! Forrester is still available, as are any number of Brigadier and Major Generals.



If by Forrester you mean Nathan Bedford Forrest, I volunteer to fill his role.

Or, if you would prefer someone with extensive Civil War knowledge (but sadly little NS roleplaying experience) for a Confederate Lt. General I would play the role of Joe Johnston or PGT Beauregard.

Or heck, for that matter just make me any Confederate General you need filled.

Is it possible that i can take the position of Nathan Forrest, The great tenesee cavalry commander?

Beauregard is still up in the air on whether or not someone has it.


I'll leave this one up to manrath to decide.

BUMP for recruits! Want to get this goin ASAP, as all the info I've been running to today considering the USCW has made me really anxious... Can't wait to get my men in the fight! :p

One question. In the RP, should we try and correctly emulate the tactics of the general we are RPing or should we try and use the best tactics possible for the time and armies of the USCW. I'm just asking this because in general the USCW generals used many manuvers that were wholly innefective (Pickett's charge, for example). Also, the general I'm slated to RP (McClellan) was notible in part for his extreme caution, which caused him to let multible oppertunities to deal major blows to the South slip through his fingers.

I just need to know this so I can plan my strategies accordingly...

Good question... Up to the Creators of course, but my personal opinion is that we all should be willing to do mistakes, even intentionally and even rather bad ones, and to suffer defeats receive beating, because it
1.is very realistic.
2. It makes it much more fun when everybody misunderstands orders, underestimates their enemy and do stupid things instead of starting the horrible debate about which one should have won some skirmish.

Now, whether this should be done by doing exactly like the actual general did, I dunno, but I really vote for playing for what's best for the fluid RP isntead of what's best for the generals reputation and your army.

One question. In the RP, should we try and correctly emulate the tactics of the general we are RPing or should we try and use the best tactics possible for the time and armies of the USCW. I'm just asking this because in general the USCW generals used many manuvers that were wholly innefective (Pickett's charge, for example). Also, the general I'm slated to RP (McClellan) was notible in part for his extreme caution, which caused him to let multible oppertunities to deal major blows to the South slip through his fingers.

I just need to know this so I can plan my strategies accordingly...


Do you want this to be an RP or a History Lesson ;-)

Beauregard?

If he is free...

He is a minor general and as I am fairly busy I will be able to keep fully up to date with him as opposed to a larger general.

Beauregard?

If he is free...

He is a minor general and as I am fairly busy I will be able to keep fully up to date with him as opposed to a larger general.


Beauregard is taken.

Bump for recruitment.

Some generals I haven't heard anybody ask for yet.

CSA: Joe Johnston, Hill (D.H. and A.P.), John Bell Hood, Jubal Early.

USA: Meade, Fitz John Porter, Grant, George Thomas, Philip Kearny, Nathaniel Lyon, Sumner, Burnside, Hooker, Howard, Rosecrans, Butler.

And, uh, Grant?

Opps, missed him somehow.

Added to available generals above.

Okay, now I feel like a complete idiot. For some reason I've gotten into my head that the Nathan Bedford Forrest is Nathan Bedford Forrester. I still don't know what possessed me to add the extra -er. That's what I get for thinking I'm perfect and not fact checking everything.

I'm updating the front page as we speak to add the updates.

Once we start this, how will we rp it? Will we have threads for the different battles and campeigns?

I've envisioned it as two major threads: One Union, one Confederate, to discuss various things. Then minor threads for the various armies, ect.

In a few minutes I'll have the basic rules up on the front page. I'm talking via phone to the CoC now.

What happened to Cullpeper Verginia (the guy who was going to RP Lee)?

w00t.

July 22, 1861

The Battle of Bull Run (or Battle of Manassas, depending on who you ask) has ended in a victory for the Confederate Army. General Irvin McDowell has earned the wrath of President Lincoln for screwing up the fight, but the confederate armies faired only slightly better, prompting a massive reorganization of both Union and Rebel forces. A mini-civil war has erupted in Missouri, as the Union and Confederate Armies race to assemble a force capable of placing it in either one's fold. Kentucky has declared it's neutrality, Maryland has been placed under martial law, and it seems that the vollenteers in the Union Army are going to be fighting long past their initial 90 day commitment.

OOC

RP officially starts Wednesday. And Cullpeper Verginia never got back to me, thus I decided not to waste Lee on him. Hopefully we'll have a Lee very soon.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10080444#post10080444

Union Army thread.

since it is not up there... is there a way i can choos Usyless S. Grant from the Union Army... and what does the X next to Robert E. Lee's name mean?

EDIT: sry.... i will take Robert E. Lee please?

since it is not up there... is there a way i can choos Usyless S. Grant from the Union Army... and what does the X next to Robert E. Lee's name mean?

EDIT: sry.... i will take Robert E. Lee please?

how does General Butler sound?

July 22, 1861

The Battle of Bull Run (or Battle of Manassas, depending on who you ask) has ended in a victory for the Confederate Army. General Irvin McDowell has earned the wrath of President Lincoln for screwing up the fight, but the confederate armies faired only slightly better, prompting a massive reorganization of both Union and Rebel forces. A mini-civil war has erupted in Missouri, as the Union and Confederate Armies race to assemble a force capable of placing it in either one's fold. Kentucky has declared it's neutrality, Maryland has been placed under martial law, and it seems that the vollenteers in the Union Army are going to be fighting long past their initial 90 day commitment.

OOC

RP officially starts Wednesday. And Cullpeper Verginia never got back to me, thus I decided not to waste Lee on him. Hopefully we'll have a Lee very soon.


Now I have a couple of questions. Is everyone supposed to start out where and at what rank they were at this point in the war? And if so would it help to put together a list everybody's rank and location immediately after the battle? A lot of people who are being roleplayed do not have much rank yet and are not in the locations the people playing them might expect, Sherman is a Colonel commanding a brigade in McDowell's army for example while Lee, who is outranked by Joe Johnston, is off in the West Virginia mountains.

At this point I think we need a someone to play Johnston since he's the highest ranked General in the East. I would really prefer to RP Forrest (so many possibilities there) but will take Johnston if nobody with more RP experience wants him.

how does General Butler sound?

thats fine, o well... Lee woulda been cool

Now I have a couple of questions. Is everyone supposed to start out where and at what rank they were at this point in the war? And if so would it help to put together a list everybody's rank and location immediately after the battle? A lot of people who are being roleplayed do not have much rank yet and are not in the locations the people playing them might expect, Sherman is a Colonel commanding a brigade in McDowell's army for example while Lee, who is outranked by Joe Johnston, is off in the West Virginia mountains.

At this point I think we need a someone to play Johnston since he's the highest ranked General in the East. I would really prefer to RP Forrest (so many possibilities there) but will take Johnston if nobody with more RP experience wants him.

1: Is everyone to start out where and at what rank they were at this point in the war?

It depends. For the CSA I'm guessing yes, barring any major lacks in the CSA armed forces by PCs. As for the US, after that disaster at Bull Run, I'd say it's all up for grabs.

2: Put together a list of Rank?

That would be great, if you want to do it.

Are there any other Confederate generals left? I'd be happy to take one.

So, I spotted this, and I saw Forrest was taken, ans was Jackson, but that leaves General A.P. Hill still open, I'll take him if that's alright with yall.

Okay, executive decision time:

Gintonpar - I'm making you Gen. Robert E. Lee, because I need one and, because I RP'd with you before, I'm hoping you can handle it.

Whyzardia - I'm confirming you at Gen. Joe Johnston, and leaving you in command of the Army of Northern Virginia, don't let me down.

Here goes nothing.

I won't let you down. Expect orders soon commanders.

Let me know when you guys are ready to start the RP, work out the system, and everything. Looking forward to some nice naval battles playing as Admiral Farragut. :)

Yeah, the Confederates will get right to work... building an actual navy for you to destroy.

One thing on your order of battle Manarth. Why would Albert Sydny Johnston, the highest ranking Confedrate officer at the time, be a corps commader under Lee?

I won't let you down. Expect orders soon commanders.

Just to reiterate, please check your respective side's IC thread for the respective orders. Lt. Gen Lee is currently in command of "The Army of Tennessee" which is to say, it's fighting like hell to hold onto Western Virginia.

In case you don't have them, we have the Union thread - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458788

And the Confederate thread - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458791

One thing on your order of battle Manarth. Why would Albert Sydny Johnston, the highest ranking Confedrate officer at the time, be a corps commader under Lee?

Ah, that's why it's tenative. Good question, let's fix it.

Edit: Fixed. Lt. Gen. Albert Sydny Johnston has been reassigned to the Army of Tennessee, which is currently trying to hold onto the Western part of Virginia.

Lt. Gen. Joe Johnston has been given Command of the Northern Virginian theater.

With the orders to push the "Damn Yankees" out of Missouri, Lt. Gen. P. T. Beauregard has been given command of the Army of Mississippi.

All other PC's have been given Corps commands, because frankly I'm notoriously lazy. If you'd rather start at a Brigade or Divisional command, let me know and I'll demote you a step or two.

So Lee does not have a theater command?

I've brought this up in the CSA thread but surely Lee held a theater command? I realise not above Johnston but surely somewhere he held theater command. Would Johnston not have central control over the entire strategy of the army?

There is another corps in the army of Missisipi other than mine isn't there? it would not be fun to fight alone (though I would enjoy the chalange).

Not that it was in my business or anything, but I just felt like pointing out that Van Normandy, our Stonewall Jackson, has posted one single post during his time in NS, and that was the claiming of the mentioned character.

I have doubts whether we will hear about him ever again... :rolleyes:

Gah! Okay, let's see here... At the outbreak of war he was appointed to command all of Virginia's forces, and then as one of the first five full generals of Confederate forces.

So... What to do with him then?

After commanding Confederate forces in western Virginia, and then in charge of coastal defenses along the Carolina seaboards, he became military adviser to Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, whom he knew from West Point.

*All taken from Wikipedia's biography on Lee.

So, at this point I'm going to move a few things around again. We'll see how this works.

Not that it was in my business or anything, but I just felt like pointing out that Van Normandy, our Stonewall Jackson, has posted one single post during his time in NS, and that was the claiming of the mentioned character.

I have doubts whether we will hear about him ever again... :rolleyes:

Heh, if he never comes back, I'd be happy to command Jacksons Foot Cavalry... Jackson Forrest and Hill are my three generals that I know alot about, and they all three kicked serious ass...

I've posted on our thread requesting orders from Johnston. If anything major is going to happen please give me time to respond as I will be on next this time tomorrow. If a quick decision needs to be taken on my behalf, the ball is in your court Manarth.

Again, for people who didn't catch it, the game officially starts on Wednesday.

As for Van Normandy, although he hasn't posted, I have been talking to him on AIM, so I imagine he'll still be in.

Does the Army of Mississippi have a second corps?

So Lee does not have a theater command?

I've brought this up in the CSA thread but surely Lee held a theater command? I realise not above Johnston but surely somewhere he held theater command. Would Johnston not have central control over the entire strategy of the army?

Nope, not yet. Lee was 'military advisor' to Davis until Johnston was wounded in the fighting at Seven Pines, shortly before the Seven Days. Since he kept asking for a command in the field he was sent off to the west Virginia mountains to try and salvage the hopeless situation there, an effort he ultimately failed in, and then off to the Carolina coast to do the same thing.

Really at this point Davis has direct control over the army as a whole, with the two Johnstons in command of the eastern and western theaters. I see our Davis has already taken action in promoting all of our players to the rank of Major General... the questions of seniority amongst them will have to be worked out I guess.

Keep in mind ya'll that the question of rank and seniority is very important to these men, often a general would refuse to follow orders from someone who did not outrank him and Joe Johnston threw an awful snit when the list of Leut. Generals was published and he found himself outranked by everybody but Beauregard. After all in the old army he had held the rank of General and nobody else was higher than a Colonel.

Confederate War-room is now open for business. Telegram me for the password. The'll be no union spies on my watch.

http://www.chatzy.com/337757484262

I'm here, and I usually check this board every 3 hours or so. I'm not going anywhere either.

ATTENTION: The Union Chatzy now has a password. TG me for it.

I'm here, and I usually check this board every 3 hours or so. I'm not going anywhere either.

Great! Hope you didn't mind my what I said, just that I have seen so sad number of newbies of that type who just somehow find their way to here and sign in the first RP they see, then disappearing to eternity....

Glad you weren't one of them. :p

hey, yeah, I only meant that last part as a warning to those who would set foot upon our native soil. No quarter to the invaders. I can't wait for this. I have a 16 hour drive on Wednesday night or Thursday morning from Chicago to Nashville, TN then to Lake Charles, LA so I hope to not miss too much or at least log on at the hotel.

Oh yeah, the only reason I would not post is if I do get in a wreck or something on the long drive back through the snow. But Jackson knew that his death was predestined, so I'm not too worried about that.

I'm here, and I usually check this board every 3 hours or so. I'm not going anywhere either.

Glad to hear it, I've got big plans in store for old Stonewall and I'd like to know he's actually around before issuing orders to him.

The password to chatzy is CASE SENSITIVE! Please enter the password exactly as it is TG'd to you, minus the quotations. Also, do not be alarmed that Lincoln (CoC) is posting in our war room, neither of us are always IC.

I have some links at work that provide information on damn near every regiment from every state that fought in the Civil War (including the various tribal regiments from the Indian Territory).

I will post it for you guys tomorrow

you need a Confederate Navy commander.. I recommend Buchanan (commanded at Mobile Bay, and also the CSS Virginia)

This site
Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System
http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/regiments.htm

allows you to look up regiments by state, type and number or just 2 of the 3 to get a list of all of the infantry regiments for a state (or the regular army for that matter)

this one is specifically for the Confederates
http://www.tarleton.edu/~kjones/confeds.html

doing a search by state (Illinois infantry regiments of the Civil War) is invariably successful as well

the Dictionary of American Fighting Ships online (look under the Old Navy section) has a complete list of every significant warship used by either side, plus information on the ship itself.
http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/

Reagonica, Do you approve of my deployments (in Chatzy)?

Can I play Brigadier General John Pope? He assumed control of District of North and Central Missouri, with operational control along a portion the Mississippi River.

This thread sucks it already died.

Can I play or not? You need another Union General and John Pope was certainly a good one.

This thread sucks it already died.

No it hasn't. CoC rejected you so stop posting here.

This thread sucks it already died.


well posting in the chatzy and planning has been going on behind the scenes


Of course you wouldn't know this because your not privy to that info, and besides, didn't i tell you to leave?

Can I play or not? You need another Union General and John Pope was certainly a good one.

Its up to one of the mods. Just be paitiant, they will get to you.

Can I play Brigadier General John Pope? He assumed control of District of North and Central Missouri, with operational control along a portion the Mississippi River.


you've got him.

http://www.chatzy.com/992501880364 thats our chatzy. and i'll be sending you the Pword here in a bit

Can someone give me the password?

Check your telegrams in NS to see if CoC gave the password already. If not, telegram him and ask him for it.

Can't you just tell me Danard?

I'm Confederate so I don't know what it is (both sides have separate Chatzys).

Oh sorry about that.

Its OK. I look forward to fighting you out west.

The same with you.

It may start to get messy very quickly.

You're pretty much the opposite of my self during the Civil War.

Extra special thanks to Galveston Bay... He might not be playing, but he saved me the trouble of posting all those sites that I'd told CoC I'd be posting but never got around to posting due to a combination of lazyness and forgetfulness. Bravo!

And Goreing, I completely mispelled your name on the first post for confirmed generals. I promise to fix it the next time I update the page.

Confederate generals, I'd like to ask you to be patient with any major movements or such. CoC haven't posted our Orders of Battle just yet, though he has pretty good explanations for that. Work, work, work.

Anyways, please don't do anything drastical just yet, please! It would be very hard to respond without knowing what troops do we have.

Can I be Brigader General John P. Hatch ?

OOC: I'm off to visit my girlfriend's family for a few days (4), and for that time my internet access will be downgraded to the prehistoric times of phonecords and something called a "modem". At any rate, in the event that I can't post for a while, CoC can run the moderation part of the show by himself. Gen. Joe Johnston can handle the confirmation of CSA generals and battleplans while I'm away.

IC: Jefferson Davis has come down with a nasty case of dysentary, putting him on bedrest for at least two weeks, doctors orders. While he has vowed to do everything in his power to continue advising his Generals in the event of another push by the Union forces, he will be unable for consultation on a regular basis.

OOC: Good luck folks, and don't lose Richmond before I get back.

Can I be Brigader General John P. Hatch ?

OK your confirmed and in command of all Cavalry in the Army of the Potomac

And Promoted to Major General

http://www.chatzy.com/992501880364

Union War Room


Check your Telegrams for the Password, got to keep those pesky Confed spies from seeing our plans

Mo......dem...? :confused:

I'm still suprised no one has taken Grant.

I'm still suprised no one has taken Grant.

Grabt was a butcher, he had no tactical sense, and just threw troops at the problem until something gives... I'd personally be embarrassed to pick Grant.

Grabt was a butcher, he had no tactical sense, and just threw troops at the problem until something gives... I'd personally be embarrassed to pick Grant.

study the Vicksburg, Ft Donalson/Ft Henry, and Lookout Mountain campaigns more carefully, and then also look very carefully at what the principal objectives were in 1864 - 65 (eliminate Lee's army and destroy the capacity of the South to continue the war).

Grant is the only man (maybe Sherman) who could win the war, and did so. Lincoln would not have been able to get reelected without Grants plan to concentre resources on Atlanta and Lee.

OOC:

I'm still here, waiting for the go-ahead to start RP'ing my Navy.

By the way, I haven't got the password for the Union chatzy yet, so could CoC TG me the chatzy link and password?

study the Vicksburg, Ft Donalson/Ft Henry, and Lookout Mountain campaigns more carefully, and then also look very carefully at what the principal objectives were in 1864 - 65 (eliminate Lee's army and destroy the capacity of the South to continue the war).

Grant is the only man (maybe Sherman) who could win the war, and did so. Lincoln would not have been able to get reelected without Grants plan to concentre resources on Atlanta and Lee.

There are better ways to win a fight than throwing troops at a problem. He may have won, but he didn't use skill, he used a bigger hammer, there's a reason the Union lost so many troops for every confederate loss, and it's not because the confederates were better fighters either... They were badly outnumbered, and they were poorly trained, but in almost every battle that I can think of commanded by Grant, the losses were numerically in the Confederacy's favor.

There are better ways to win a fight than throwing troops at a problem. He may have won, but he didn't use skill, he used a bigger hammer, there's a reason the Union lost so many troops for every confederate loss, and it's not because the confederates were better fighters either... They were badly outnumbered, and they were poorly trained, but in almost every battle that I can think of commanded by Grant, the losses were numerically in the Confederacy's favor.

of course they were.. Grant had to attack in every battle and in the Civil War period the defender had a huge advantage over the attacker.

You want to talk casualties, Lee, my personal hero, and one of the most brilliant generals in American military (and world military) history consistantly had far higher proportional and frequently higher numerical casualties than his Union opponents 1862-63, because he was usually doing the attacking.

As to training, both armies were at the same level of training initially (with a slight advantage to the Rebels who had larger proportional numbers of formed State Militia units) but by 1863 both armies were equally well trained and experienced.

I have studied Civil War history my entire life, and most historians writing since 1950 agree that Grant was not a butcher, and that given the tactical limitations of the day, he had no real choice to win the way he did in 1864 because of sound political and military reasons. The objective was to destroy Lee's army, and that objective was reached.

Just like in the American Revolution, Lee (like Washington) and his army were the real basis of the Rebellion, and without the Army of Northern Virginia and General Lee, the South had no chance of winning or even surviving. As events after Appomatox proved. Grant and Lincoln realized this, because after all, they studied Washington and the Revolution too, and thus they won the war by focusing on the principal objective.

Although casualties were frightfully high in 1864-65, if that strategy had been implemented in 1862 by McClellan, the war would have ended at the end of the Pennesula Campaign with heavy casualties, but without the huge numbers (nearly 300,000 more deaths) of casualties that occured 1863-65.

At least Grant accomplished something with the deaths of his men. Something Hooker, McClellan, Burnside and Pope didn't do.

GB - You going to pick a general and play the game, or just offer criticsm?

Seriously though, Grant won the war because he recognized the major advantage the Union had over the Confederacy, their quantity of troops. To put it in simple internet terms "OMG ZERG RUSH!!11". Yes, winning is the goal of all generals, but Grant didn't go about it in a nice, aestetically pleasing manner.

The result is undesputable, Grant drives headlong at the Confederates, takes heavy casualties, but bleeds their army dry. He then goes on to have one of the worst presidencies ever with no less than 4 major scandals including his Vice President, Secretary of State and his own brother indicted in at least one each. The man was a good general, he was able to lead his troops after all, and ultimately won the civil war. The man was fearcly loyal, as indicated during his presidency alone (he is famous for asking his friends, when indicted, if they were guilty. When they said "no", he believed them, in spite of the evidence otherwise). However, Grant was not what you would call an intellectual, failing at every job he'd had, until the civil war, and arguably failing the presidency aftewords.

In other words, yes GB, it's nice that Grant actually managed to put together a sucessful campaign by relentlessly throwing his army at fortified Confederate possitions. But I aggree with Mini Miehm when he says that Grant didn't go about doing so in a particularly dramatic fashion.

GB - You going to pick a general and play the game, or just offer criticsm? .

I will play either the Confederate Secretary of the Navy (Mallory) or Grant (who doesn't really do anything until mid 1862 when the Donalson/Henry campaign starts)

Well you are approved for Grant.



Welcome to the Union.

Hoorah!

I will play either the Confederate Secretary of the Navy (Mallory) or Grant (who doesn't really do anything until mid 1862 when the Donalson/Henry campaign starts)

Galveston Bay here, I will be using New Shiron as my screen name for this RP (so I can keep track of my posts differently for the ones in the othe RP I am in)

OOC: I'm off to visit my girlfriend's family for a few days (4), and for that time my internet access will be downgraded to the prehistoric times of phonecords and something called a "modem". At any rate, in the event that I can't post for a while, CoC can run the moderation part of the show by himself. Gen. Joe Johnston can handle the confirmation of CSA generals and battleplans while I'm away.

IC: Jefferson Davis has come down with a nasty case of dysentary, putting him on bedrest for at least two weeks, doctors orders. While he has vowed to do everything in his power to continue advising his Generals in the event of another push by the Union forces, he will be unable for consultation on a regular basis.

OOC: Good luck folks, and don't lose Richmond before I get back.

OOC: Thanks to a horrific ice storm in the Carolinas I was without power here from 7:00 AM Thursday until about 20 minutes ago... so I have been in even more prehistoric times here, using something called "candles." At least I am slowly getting back into the modern world, although I'm shackled to one of these "modem" contraptions for a while myself.

Things are already going against us, first President Davis gets ill and then the General-in-Chief is rendered incommunicado by an ice storm in the middle of July. I sure hope this isn't an omen of things to come....

OOC: Others have already asked this but I haven't seen a reply. So, should we start seperate threads for the different campaigns? I'm inclined to say yes because it will make keeping track of them easier but on the other hand things are already moving over in the Union army thread. Manarth and CoC, this is ya'lls idea so I guess you should make the decision, and soon.

study the Vicksburg, Ft Donalson/Ft Henry, and Lookout Mountain campaigns more carefully, and then also look very carefully at what the principal objectives were in 1864 - 65 (eliminate Lee's army and destroy the capacity of the South to continue the war).

Grant is the only man (maybe Sherman) who could win the war, and did so. Lincoln would not have been able to get reelected without Grants plan to concentre resources on Atlanta and Lee.

I agree but you left out his most telling campaign, Vicksburg. What he did there rivals anything that Stonewall Jackson did in the East.

Colonel John McArthur, 12th Illinois Infantry. Later became Brigadier General and commanded the 6th Division of the 17th corp under General Andrew J. Smith. (union)

Not to late to sign up? and can I just have him already at the head of a division or keep him at colonel and in command of the 12th infantry brigade.

Reynold's Begins Virginia Campaign (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10113890#post10113890)


It's not really up to me, but I could use a Corp commander.

Goreing you have been kicked out of this RP.

Reasons.

1. Your Comstan, we are sure of it.
Get Out, stay out. Take a Fucking Hint, you are not wanted here.

All posts for John Pope are now ignored.


You are the weakest link goodbye

If you need another general for the Union side, I noticed one of your number just got kicked out, but if you need another general, I know plenty about tactics and would be happy to help you.

We still need a General Meade.


We've also picked up a Burnside so we also need a Hooker.

Colonel John McArthur, 12th Illinois Infantry. Later became Brigadier General and commanded the 6th Division of the 17th corp under General Andrew J. Smith. (union)

Not to late to sign up? and can I just have him already at the head of a division or keep him at colonel and in command of the 12th infantry brigade.


Ok your confirmed. I'll figure out where to place you later, prolly as a Corps COmmander of the Army of the Potomac

How are you sure of it?

100%


Leave, Be gone. And if you wish to appeal my decision to Manarth, he'll be back in a few days. I think he said the 20th, anyway as of about an hour ago, your not in this RP.


GO AWAY

I'd be more than happy to take on the role of Gen. Meade.

I've RPed for a long time but am relatively new to this forum, so bear with me if I'm a bit of a newb.

Thanks.

I presume I'll be taking orders from Gen. Reynolds?

sure, your confirmed.

Ok your confirmed. I'll figure out where to place you later, prolly as a Corps COmmander of the Army of the Potomac

Thanks. If possible could you provide with information petaining to the men under my command or links thereof and who it is I will be subordinate to.

Thanks. If possible could you provide with information petaining to the men under my command or links thereof and who it is I will be subordinate to.

What he said.

Well, it looks like my computer won't support the chatzy chatroom system, so unless y'all feel like telegramming me my orders, I must bow out of this campaign. Good luck and godspeed to Gen. McClellan. Death to the Rebels

outstanding online map source can be found here

http://www.civil-war.ws/images/

maps are period, and show all major campaigns

Well, it looks like my computer won't support the chatzy chatroom system, so unless y'all feel like telegramming me my orders, I must bow out of this campaign. Good luck and godspeed to Gen. McClellan. Death to the Rebels

chatzy was being flaky earlier, so maybe try again? If all else fails, telegrams will work to

outstanding online map source can be found here

http://www.civil-war.ws/images/

maps are period, and show all major campaigns

Thanks for that link, there are some great maps there.

I especially recommend that all of the participating generals look over map2.jpg since it shows the railroad network and these, along with the rivers, will be important for movement and supply purposes. Hauling supplies more than 50 miles or so from a railroad or navigable river in friendly control will be difficult, especially in mountains. General Lee's troops in western Virginia for instance are so far up in the mountains from any railroad that they are probably starving. Those in the two armies marching down on him soon will be too, especially if the B & O Railroad through Maryland is broken.

Remember guys, this was a railroad war and a river war. That's why it was fought the way it was and why some very obscure places that had good railroad or river connections became famous - like Vicksburg, Chattanooga, and Shiloh.

Thanks for that link, there are some great maps there.

I especially recommend that all of the participating generals look over map2.jpg since it shows the railroad network and these, along with the rivers, will be important for movement and supply purposes. Hauling supplies more than 50 miles or so from a railroad or navigable river in friendly control will be difficult, especially in mountains. General Lee's troops in western Virginia for instance are so far up in the mountains from any railroad that they are probably starving. Those in the two armies marching down on him soon will be too, especially if the B & O Railroad through Maryland is broken.

Remember guys, this was a railroad war and a river war. That's why it was fought the way it was and why some very obscure places that had good railroad or river connections became famous - like Vicksburg, Chattanooga, and Shiloh.

I agree completely, although in West Virginia the Union troops under Hancock have the advantage of being close to a navigable river (The Ohio) while Grant is considerably closer to the railroad lines coming from Pittsburgh into Clarkesburg (and then over to Harpers Ferry). Lee is a long way from any railroad though.

That being said, offensive operations out of West Virginia into Virginia aren't practical for terrain and logistics reasons.

I agree completely, although in West Virginia the Union troops under Hancock have the advantage of being close to a navigable river (The Ohio) while Grant is considerably closer to the railroad lines coming from Pittsburgh into Clarkesburg (and then over to Harpers Ferry). Lee is a long way from any railroad though.

That being said, offensive operations out of West Virginia into Virginia aren't practical for terrain and logistics reasons.

This is true, but Union forces can not move south without first defeating or containing Lee. To leave him be and skip on south would leave Union supply lines clear for cutting and for Lee to advance more on washington.

If hancock were to move east, it could let any Confederate launch into Kentucky, and without Hancock to help support could make gains.

The first objective of the Union army would be to engage and destroy Lee's army, unless it is possible to out manuever him. Not very likely though, since his army knows the ground and he can find a place of his own choosing to stand and turn, forcing any Union army with the choice to either attack or withdraw.

Kentucky is a non issue at the moment due to its neutrality.

This is true, but Union forces can not move south without first defeating or containing Lee. To leave him be and skip on south would leave Union supply lines clear for cutting and for Lee to advance more on washington.

If hancock were to move east, it could let any Confederate launch into Kentucky, and without Hancock to help support could make gains.

The first objective of the Union army would be to engage and destroy Lee's army, unless it is possible to out manuever him. Not very likely though, since his army knows the ground and he can find a place of his own choosing to stand and turn, forcing any Union army with the choice to either attack or withdraw.


It looks like us confederates are adopting a defensive position at Sutton and waiting for the Federals to attack. What has knocked me a bit is the massive number disparity between confederate and union brigades. If I'd known this earlier I would not have engaged and I'm a bit hacked off personally about it.

Nevertheless, my men are told not to fight an attacking battle, they will only fight if it's on the defensive. (just reminding you, battle moderators, my guys won't go on the offensive. If they get to Sutton and the Federal's are already there they are not attacking if it is a ridiculous situation)

It looks like us confederates are adopting a defensive position at Sutton and waiting for the Federals to attack. What has knocked me a bit is the massive number disparity between confederate and union brigades. If I'd known this earlier I would not have engaged and I'm a bit hacked off personally about it.

Nevertheless, my men are told not to fight an attacking battle, they will only fight if it's on the defensive. (just reminding you, battle moderators, my guys won't go on the offensive. If they get to Sutton and the Federal's are already there they are not attacking if it is a ridiculous situation)

actually we will see how the race goes... Lee starts 66 miles from Sutton, and Grant starts 60 miles from Sutton.. it could just as easily be a meeting engagement (like Gettysburg)

I'm new to this whole thing. I joined today because one of my friends told me about nationstates. When looking threw the forums I found this forum. This seems very intresting can I join? Also what side needs more generals on it.

I'm new to this whole thing. I joined today because one of my friends told me about nationstates. When looking threw the forums I found this forum. This seems very intresting can I join? Also what side needs more generals on it.

I would suggest, since you have only recently created your country, you provide a reference as to who referred you ... we have had problems with someone and they were ejected from this RP.

I'm new to this whole thing. I joined today because one of my friends told me about nationstates. When looking threw the forums I found this forum. This seems very intresting can I join? Also what side needs more generals on it.


we've got enough generals on both sides

And we're not letting anyone in for a while.

we've got enough generals on both sides

And we're not letting anyone in for a while.

Sounds pretty clear to me, Scand... :(

May I please be Genral Braxton Bragg on the Confederate side.

Quick copy and paste:
Genral Braxton Bragg: The Scandinvans


1. we already have a Bragg

2. No new entrants.

I agree with the general sentiment of settling with the numbers we have now (seems to be complicated enough) but I know a guy who has exstensive Civil War knowledge and would bring a lot to the game. Had his NS nation deleted so he's making a new one. Understanding he can take a minor role for the time being (brig general or something) is it cool if he joins?

Also, pretty soon I should be posting the invasion thread for the Confederate Invasion of Missouri; I've only recently had the time to get in depth with it, and I didn't want to overwhelm anyone, with the whole invasion east.

He can have mine if Council of the Clan approves; Buford wasn't really important except for the first day of Gettysburg.

I'm going to leave this roleplay, because, quite honestly, I'm not active enough. Having a general, unimportant though he may be, who doesn't do anything isn't fair to the Union when they can give that spot to someone who will actually use.

I'll continue to read this, but I realize that I won't keep up with it as other RPs come up.

Since I can't join this thread. Do any of you have any other good threads I can join? The Scandinvans should be able to join now so you should TG him and tell him.

Also, pretty soon I should be posting the invasion thread for the Confederate Invasion of Missouri; I've only recently had the time to get in depth with it, and I didn't want to overwhelm anyone, with the whole invasion east.

Actually, I (Sherman) have been attacking to south for days now, but have been told to wait untill everything is settled in the east. I persume this means the time has stopped in the Western threater... Otherwise it would make us look quite silly, not to mention my armies who have been marching for a week without moving an inch.

Since I can't join this thread. Do any of you have any other good threads I can join? The Scandinvans should be able to join now so you should TG him and tell him.


nope.


NO NEW PLAYERS

Since I can't join this thread. Do any of you have any other good threads I can join? The Scandinvans should be able to join now so you should TG him and tell him.

careful with posts like this... this is considered SPAMMING by the Nationstates staff. It can result in game sanction of you by them.

OOC:

ALL MOVES FREEZE.


I will be on tonight. and I PROMISE that I'll get both the Western and Northern Virginia Battles finished.


Everyone please have patience. Our system was designed by manarth and he's the one that fully understands it. And due to his absence for almost a week now, i'm not going to keep you waiting. I've been stalling because I was hoping he'd be back on soon, but he's already a day late on that so I'm just going to wing it.


Each of your units does have a combat rating, and I don't have the exact numbers per unit. But since there has been a lot of manevuer on both sides Position and strength will mean more than morale for now. So tonight i'm going to wing it. and Lastly I'd like to apologize to all those players that have been impatient. Yes I put the western theatre on hold so hold your horses, literally ;-) you've manevered close enough to each other in both Virginia fronts that I can take over on the posting to show the results of the battle. Thankfully i've got everyone's general orders. And if an oppurtunity shows up for a tactical decision, depending on how much that decision effects the battle i will contact you. If its minor i'm going to make it for you. But if it could mean winning or losing, i'll contact the general who needs to make said decision.


Thank you for your patience.

Hey Council, just take my earlier plans as the same plans now. I think I'll just meet Grant head on, for better or for worse. I'll have to fight eventually. My earlier orders stand.

OOC: Finally I'm back in civilization :-p Took long enough. I'm sorry for my absence, I'll have to take a day or so to figure out what's been happening and whatnot.

IC: President Davis has made a full recovery from his illness and has begun reading up on the various moves made by his generals. He hopes to be up to date by the end of the week.

Anything new going on here?

Anything new going on here?

I think it died.

along time ago by the looks, first post is august 03

along time ago by the looks, first post is august 03

First post is like september 05. Last post was in December 05, hasn't died all that long ago man.

Lol I was reading the join date. Oops.

I think it died.

I don't think it did just yet - it's just a christmas/new year's break. Many of us have been/are on holidays, and social life etc crap is disturbing the RP'ing, but I am confident it'll get going again as our Moderators and others come back.

Great news, hopefully it works out.

I'm sorry but I have to announce that I'm suspending this RP till further notice


My co-moderator hasn't been online in 8 days as well as not answering the phone so i don't know whats going on there.


Hopefully when he gets back we can start, but i won't be holding my breath


sorry for the disappointment.

damn, and I had Bobby Lee cornered too