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OOC: From now on people, please place any random OOC comments in this thread. I am TIRED of having threads ruined by people who do not contribute to the story.

So, from now on, no matter what the subject, please use this thread as a means of communicating with me OOCly. I will place this in my signature, so this way nobody can miss it.

Have comments, questions, concerns about an RP or anything in general? Post here.

Yes, this is shamelessly plagiarized from Automagfreek's Great Big 'OOC' Thread. (Is it plagiarism if you credit the original? Well, shamelessly ripped, anyway.) I hardly check my TG's, so you're more likely to get a faster response here. Of course, if you want to keep something secret, go ahead and TG me, I'll get back to you in a day or two.

Thanks,
Kahanistan

Ah, you put this up just in time,

As for your question about how Capitol Police troopers would respond to experiments it would depend on what they are, If you come up with some Experiments, I'll RP the Reaction of the Troopers, In accordance

Yes, this is shamelessly plagiarized from Automagfreek's Great Big 'OOC' Thread. (Is it plagiarism if you credit the original? Well, shamelessly ripped, anyway.) I hardly check my TG's, so you're more likely to get a faster response here. Of course, if you want to keep something secret, go ahead and TG me, I'll get back to you in a day or two.

Thanks,
Kahanistan
Or you could just make OOC threads for all of your future RPs. Increases your post count, too. :D

Kahanistan!!!! Check TG's!

Checked.

Kahanistan, are you eventually later going to replace your weapons with something more NS grade weaponry? Because I know some excellent products that can replace your MiGs and Merkavas and whatever else your military wants to retire. Check out Mac's storefront: Kriegzimmer Conglomerates (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787). The Lu-45 'Hawk' Air Superiority Fighter (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9708782&postcount=533) is a fine replacement for your MiGs, and shall serve your air force well.

Well, I'm building a SD, but beyond that... well, I don't want to cross into PMT really, I used PMT before and pretty much got ignored, so I'm sticking to MT. Most of my allies use similar weapons, too. (Well, not as much Israeli stuff as I do, but I have several allies that use F-16's and B-52's.)

Besides, the MiG's are cheaper (~30 million USD tops, and some sell for ~10 million, so for, say, a cash outlay of six billion (a tiny fraction of my defense budget, but I just invested in a nuclear deterrent that would make Praetor shit himself), I could buy either 200 - 600 MiG's or 50 Lu-45's.) I doubt an Lu-45 could survive being attacked by four MiG's.

In short, I like the stuff I have. I might add some F-15's and F-16's later, and some decent anti-ship submarines if you have any ideas, but for some reason I have a thing for MiG's.

I'm late MT myself. Besides, Macabees is MT FYI (with a MICROSCOPIC percentage of PMT in his nation). And once again, you are using the argument of for x amount of [insertNSweaponnamehere], I can buy x amount of [insertRLweaponnamehere]. Now I wonder whether Mac is going to read this....

EDIT: Also, here's a quotation from Omz222. He was responding to Aysheaia when he made a similar statement to yours (in a thread detailing a plane made by USSNA). (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9409400)
The F-15's airframe and the aircraft + system itself is already being superseded in terms of technology, and sufficient to say it's already long outdated in NS. Numerical comparisons such as stating that "I can have 4 F-15s in place of 1 [insert 5th gen fighter here]" are flawed and bears little logic, as one must consider that not only does the newer product possesses new systems and characteristics that will act as a 'force multiplier' and increase the value of the system, but that employing more of the older units when one already has the capacity to employ a smaller number of newer units serves no purpose other than perhaps gaining an upper hand in terms of numerical strength (it would be, sufficient to say, as pointless as stating that you can ditch a squadron of Eurofighters for hundreds of F-86s). If you insist on following such comparisons, do what you wish, but don't expect an upper hand in any battle when against a better-equipped opponent that can effectively employ the advantages offered by the newer system that are not seen in the older system, to his advantage.
Now, I'm not saying 'YOU MUST BUY IT, END OF STORY, NO CHOICE, YOU MUST REPLACE YOUR MIGS WITH THE LU-45', I'm just suggesting. Ultimately, it's your choice. Omz222, is an NS world leader in aircraft, and that's his professional opinion. So if I were you, I would replace the many MiG-35s you currently have with more expensive, but much more technologically advanced Lu-45. Oh, and click here for the jointly run Omz222-Adeejani storefront to ask for their opinions. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=278248)

Considering since he's MT with a bit of PMT, and the MiG 35 already being bleeding edge technology it doesn't matter much, unless you want to compare an F-22, Eurofighter and a MiG-35 there's not much point in arguing about it.

Huh....don't recall any RP's you doing....haven't said anything in them....hmm....I know you've been on here a while, so thats a given.

Oh well....ONE DAY AMF WILL BE MINE! *runs screaming*

the way i see it its like this:-

Why would he want to buy his Fighters from some elce, have them also train his Flight crews to rearm, refit, cheak the craft over etc and take an hour or so to get the plane back into the air and wait for replacements from someone elce.

when he could keep the migs he has who have ground crews who know the planes back to front can rearm, refit, refuel etc etc in half the time and a factory down the road that produces his fighters and cuts waiting/Traval time down by half.

that i think is my 2 cents.

Sos for putting in this random post but you know i thought i had a valid point.

I'm just suggesting. And he gets a lotta his stuff from DMG.

ive left you a tg

I know. I just don't have any quotes on me from officers who've seen CP first-hand. But you also wanted an OOC quote from me on what I think of them... they're dehumanized people, whose heads have been fucked with, and turned into ruthless, soulless beasts. They may be salvageable, like I'm trying to do in the Abnormal Psychology thread, but the general consensus, as expressed by Xirnium and possibly Novacom ICly, seems to be negative.

If you really want to dig up quotes from my officers about CP, you might do a search on the forums for posts by me with the words 'Capitol Police' or 'Kraven' in them, but I can't be sure what you'd find, I have nearly a thousand posts. You might look for quotes from Xirniumite, Velkyan, or other AKA officers, too.

I know. I just don't have any quotes on me from officers who've seen CP first-hand. But you also wanted an OOC quote from me on what I think of them... they're dehumanized people, whose heads have been fucked with, and turned into ruthless, soulless beasts. They may be salvageable, like I'm trying to do in the Abnormal Psychology thread, but the general consensus, as expressed by Xirnium and possibly Novacom ICly, seems to be negative.

If you really want to dig up quotes from my officers about CP, you might do a search on the forums for posts by me with the words 'Capitol Police' or 'Kraven' in them, but I can't be sure what you'd find, I have nearly a thousand posts. You might look for quotes from Xirniumite, Velkyan, or other AKA officers, too.

Cool, Thanks it doesn't have to be something they've already said, you can just make it up on the spot, either way thanks

You could say the court is still out on the Capitol Police, The Military and the Government are split on the issue, half thinks they are akin to a new Covenant Guard and Blood Guard returned (Not Admiral Kukonois' lot, the lot from 6,500 years ago that rampaged and butchered under the "divine" edicts of the Diri E I G Ignen) the other half frequently quote an old maxim, there is hope for the one with closed eyes.

Of course the division on this is purely discussion, far greater matters haven't caused a split this one doesn't look set to unless something sinister pops up though knowing Kraven and his love of the sinister and suprising I'm keeping a contigency plan in mind.

Kahanistan, two questions:

What does the DSRK Government think of the USNSEA and its leadership?
Second, since you have a delegate at the Czardaian conference, are you planning on making more friends besides Czardas? The Silver Sky, a close friend of Czardas, actually admires your fight against Automagfreek. ;)

1. The Government of Kahanistan has had little contact with Southeast Asia, and no formal diplomatic relations or knowledge of the Government of Southeast Asia. We therefore have no opinion on them as of yet.

2. We are indeed seeking powerful allies. If The Silver Sky does indeed respect us for doing no more than what they would have done if under Freekish attack, we would be glad to learn more about them and possibly form an alliance. We actively seek allies among those who respect us, as well as among liberal and democratic nations, hence our friendly relations with the State of Amestria and the Holy Empire of Xirnium. Conversely, far-right nations and those with severe human rights problems, such as the Kraven Corporation, Automagfreek, Neoma, and Jenrak, have found that Kahanistan will fight fanatically for humanitarian reasons, and even more fanatically when we are the ones attacked.

Which is why I'm about to sling my forces in early, in the upcomming war against Xharn, I'm not about to let an ally that I couldn't help before be attacked again without my doing something about it, just wondering BTW what does Kahanistan think of Novacom?

They (the Skyians) do respect your fight against the Freeks. And they make fine NS grade weaponry...perhaps you should retire your IFVs with their M-89 Lances? And my government agrees with the views of the Kahanistanian government, though they won't immediately declare war on another nation for horrible human rights reputations, they will use diplomatic pressure. However, if those bad nations kill a Southeast Asian....all hell breaks lose.

P.S. Automagfreek does not possess a radical right wing government. It's a tribal society mixed with some modern day concepts of the check-and-balance power system, blended with advanced technology and supernatural entities.

Novacom's human rights record has strained relations with Kahanistan, but as long as people are free from being arbitrarily dragged out of their houses and killed like what happens in Kraven, Kahanistan will stay friendly. The fact that the Novans helped to rebuild Kahanistan hasn't hurt either.

The Government of Kahanistan won't usually just haul off and n00k someone for human rights abuses. For example, in the Invasion of Xirnium thread, Kahanistan first tried diplomatic condemnation and subterfuge to stop Xirnium from selling off its people for nukes. Even with Kraven, Kahanistan started off by condemning their attacks on Xirnium and urging them to withdraw, the Kahanistan deployment commander even offered to grant the Kraven Admiral asylum in Kahanistan if he would surrender, and only after all attempts at diplomacy failed did they go to war.

How about my tip to check out the Silver Sky's storefront? The M-89 Lance IFV is worth every penny, and the Kahanistanian Republic Guard will thank the Silver Skyians assistance... ;)

What Human Right's record lol, the only time when I've done anything that seemed questionable was chucking those prisoners from Admiral Kukonois at Kraven.

Novacom: I was referring to your relatively low civil liberties rating, I'm assuming you RP as a dictatorship. But that would open questions like why fight against Kraven rather than joining the Consortium?

Also, Novacom's pretty isolated from what I gather, so ICly my government may not be getting the full story and it just seems like a dictatorship from what info makes it out.

Southeast Asia: I'll check out TSS's stores, and see if there's anything I'll like, but I can't guarantee anything.

Here's the link to Silver Sky National Armanents (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458678)!

Certainly seems that way heh, Quirky how I seem to be a dictatorship the truth is far from that, the Suprainister and the Council of Ministers act as a perfect check and balance, complete power rests with neither, though since I'm slowly starting to reveal things and come out of Isolation the lack of knowledge might change, I have a Ministerial Election due soon, it might be an idea to make that public, though if you want information about the Novacom Political system you could always send a student to U.N.I and take a course in Novacom Politics or Law.

SEA is now officially the world and it's wife advertiser :P

Novacom, keep your snide comments to yourself.

It's not snide it's meant in jest.

Sorry about that Novacom. And the link to TSS's corporation is three posts behind this one, Kahanistan.

The Government of Kahanistan won't usually just haul off and n00k someone for human rights abuses. For example, in the Invasion of Xirnium thread, Kahanistan first tried diplomatic condemnation and subterfuge to stop Xirnium from selling off its people for nukes. Even with Kraven, Kahanistan started off by condemning their attacks on Xirnium and urging them to withdraw, the Kahanistan deployment commander even offered to grant the Kraven Admiral asylum in Kahanistan if he would surrender, and only after all attempts at diplomacy failed did they go to war.
That said, the High Ecclesiarchy has been alarmed in the past with Kahanistan's cavalier attitude to the law. For example, the random execution of a Xirniumite border guard, execution of prisoners in Torontia, lack of transperancy (even blatant coverup) over the prisoners issue, etc.

Also there is the fact that the High Ecclesiarchy is naturally distrustful of the governments of nations that don't follow the Westminster "responsible government" model and which have strong executives, but that's another issue. Plus your military seems to be unusually politically strong, though no where near as politically powerful as Amestria's which is comforting.

None of there things really get in the way of politics though, the High Ecclesiarchy will deal with anyone if it is in Holy Xirnium's interests to. Ane they do see you as one of their closest allies.

Here's the link to Silver Sky National Armanents (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458678)!
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Kahanistan, Just a reminder, In my Blood in the Streets thread your fleet is being hunted by the Xharnian Royal Navy thought you would want to Rp your fleet's movements and or reactions....

Southeast Asia, when you grow up you are going to be an arms dealer (that is my guess anyway.)

No....I plan on working for the community: charity work, government role, something that makes a beneficial difference.

I thought you were trying to make peace with Novacom and that attacking one of their allies wasn't going to help the peace deal... but I'll do something.

We are not attacking yet, We are intercepting and then we are going to tell your ships to return home or else...

Edit: My Kingdom has already determined peace with Novacom is impossiable and war is now inventable, I mean look they have over 8 Million Men ready to attack....

You've got a TG kahanistan

Actually Xharn when you factor in Logistics Navy and the 3 Air Armadas as wel as escorts for Logistics the number rises rather steeply.

Kraven am I correct in assuming that your Sardukar has (or is about to) broken loose in the Psychology thread?

Actually Xharn when you factor in Logistics Navy and the 3 Air Armadas as wel as escorts for Logistics the number rises rather steeply.

Kraven am I correct in assuming that your Sardukar has (or is about to) broken loose in the Psychology thread?

Yes :P So someone has been watching :D, The Uplink was re-established, because unlike CP you can't remove a Sardaukars Transmitter

Kahanistan, wasn't there something going on between our two nations at one point in the past? Hmm! Damn memory after pulling an all-nighter.

Oh Goody, a pity Xirnium cut and run, oh well looks like a Black Skull Enforcer and Imperial Marine team against a Sardukar, this will be interesting.:D

Kraven. Replied.

So, what did you think of TSS's sf's stuff Kahanistan?

Kraven. Replied.

Done and returned in Kind

Antanjyl: Yeah, looks like a few other nations want to get the Christians out of there too, and I don't blame them. Frankly, the more that step in, the fewer ships I have to divert from the conflict with ViZion.
SEA: Didn't think it was any better than the stuff I already have.

Oh Goody, a pity Xirnium cut and run, oh well looks like a Black Skull Enforcer and Imperial Marine team against a Sardukar, this will be interesting.:D

Why did he cut and run?

Antanjyl: Yeah, looks like a few other nations want to get the Christians out of there too, and I don't blame them. Frankly, the more that step in, the fewer ships I have to divert from the conflict with ViZion.
SEA: Didn't think it was any better than the stuff I already have.

Yeah, though I'm mainly using this as a training exercise for the Agency. The ability to quickly drag people out of their homes will be good when I need to restock on my human resources.

The ability to quickly drag people out of their homes will be good when I need to restock on my human resources.

I can help you with that ;) Just have a word with my secret Police

Project Succubus was relocated to Holy Xirnium because a leak was detected, but there will still be some Xirniumite scientists at the base (involved with various experiments).

We did not cut and run. It's just that you people don't know how to keep quiet about top secret projects, so we had to move it to where it was secure.:D

Project Succubus was relocated to Holy Xirnium because a leak was detected, but there will still be some Xirniumite scientists at the base (involved with various experiments).

Oh right, I didn't realise it was IC, I thought Novacom ment you'd abandond it

What Leak would this be?

It certainly will be interesting, the Black Skull Enforcers in question are particularly experienced, I presume that the Sardukar only has one ammo clip on him, I suspect that the rest would be removable.

My own Project had already shipped out prototypes back to the homeland, the work being carried out here is merely fine tuning the technology and of course developing a more powerful version of it..

Who was it leaked to?

And how was it leaked?

I don't know, the Inquisition has determined little else except that a leak exists:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10069457#post10069457

"There's a rumor going around that there's a secret project to conduct experiments on the Capitol Police captured in battle. Would Amestrian Intelligence have known about it? I'm sure it's supposedly classified, but things like that get out... not specifics... just rumours."

"We knew that Xirnium had captured some KC soldiers during the invasion... We were aware that they were studying them, most likely conducting experiments..."

Those are some pretty serious breaches. Needless to say that when it was discovered that some people on the base had loose lips everything of value was packed up and shipped back to Holy Xirnium.

I can help you with that ;) Just have a word with my secret Police
Well as long as I have some left over to ritually execute via impalement in the capital...

I hope nothing about Project Torrken and Cyberax leak, certainly not the later, that is something of an acecard, let's just say there may be some cases of Amnesia and memory loss...

Though knowledge of experiment does not mean the experiment has been leaked.

Though knowledge of experiment does not mean the experiment has been leaked.
No, you're right. There may not be a leak at all. Certainly there is no evidence at all of a leak with Project Succubus But there is a possibility of a leak, and that is cause enough for alarm, when dealing with one of the most highly classified secrets of the Eternal Republic.

SEA: Didn't think it was any better than the stuff I already have.
I see. Tell me when you want to upgrade to more NS standards, and I can direct you to some good storefronts. On another note, do you have an embassy exchange thread?

What Leak would this be?

It certainly will be interesting, the Black Skull Enforcers in question are particularly experienced, I presume that the Sardukar only has one ammo clip on him, I suspect that the rest would be removable.

My own Project had already shipped out prototypes back to the homeland, the work being carried out here is merely fine tuning the technology and of course developing a more powerful version of it..

It only has one Ammo Clip left, but its weapon would have been taken off it, So Unless its lying around some where it will be using Brute force and Ignorance...

or whatever weapons it can pick up, But so far no one has seemed to Notice that one of its Chains have snapped

But so far no one has seemed to Notice that one of its Chains have snapped
Yeah.. I get the feeling that security may be a little lax at this facility. First that female doctor gets injured and now this? Maybe that's why there was a leak, if there was a leak. :D

Don't worry Kraven. Your troops are perfectly safe in Holy Xirnium, they're tightly bound and held inside reinforced steel pens, under constant video and sensor surveilance.

Nope. Could start one later, but it'd have to wait at least until the riots in the capital wind down. (Check the Amestrian / Kahanistan relations thread, the riots are just getting started. It'll make the French riots look like an overzealous frat party.)

Yes, I know about the riots. And in speaking of RL vs. NS, be it technology or social issues, there are loads of things that make RL look weak in comparison. (Here's an example: there are NS country strongholds that make Hitler's Fortress Europe look like a poorly defended encampment)

Yeah.. I get the feeling that security may be a little lax at this facility. First that female doctor gets injured and now this? Maybe that's why there was a leak, if there was a leak. :D

Don't worry Kraven. Your troops are perfectly safe in Holy Xirnium, they're tightly bound and held inside reinforced steel pens, under constant video and sensor surveilance.


Kept like the Animals they Are.

There is a reason why I myself didn't help stump up some funding for it, apart from an IC dislike of Biological weapons (which could be bordering on hypocritical when you factor in that Black Skull Enforcers could come under this heading, in the loosest of loose definitions of course) at the time there was a review of the Ministerial Secret act, which had been brought up to the surface by Destinies Herald (A highly regarded Novan newspaper) about whether the people should know about where funding goes, obviously financing a foreign nations Biological Weapons program especially on the heels of a high profile journal being published about blowback on said weapon being fairly common, was not particularly sensible, now however with the completion of the first generation Beacons, Succubus is considered low down on the list of priorities, especially as the Beacons will work against more than one enemy.

in the Psychology thread Yuri and co will have noticed something amiss, however though with them too busy poking around with potted brains, I doubt they'll be the first ones to chagre onto the scene, especially since it's a Kahanistanian facility and it wouldn't look too good diplomatically.

A far cry from Novan facilities however though, the specimens are here and Novacom doesn't possess such a resource, yet, so their making do, though it also benefits to share results, the findings about what they could mentally endure were particularly useful, it might be worthwhile to request a few of the Xirnimite scientists to assisst in the next generation of Project Torrken Devices, asking Kahanistan would be abit touchy, I'm suprised his scientists didn't freak out at a bio-weapon being created, they'd certainly freak out I suspect at something that replaces free will entirely.

Do not in future address me as 'good sir,' rumor has it that a Xirniumite border guard once made that mistake with a female convoy commander and ended up losing his head.
I know that your quote was from a silly (yet funny :D ) thread, but I feel the need to explain that only in the Xirniumite military is "Sir" used to addressed both men and women, and then only for officers of superior rank. In Xirniumite society the same titles of address as exist in any other ordinary western country are used (with the exception of noble ranks).

I don't know, the Inquisition has determined little else except that a leak exists:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10069457#post10069457

"There's a rumor going around that there's a secret project to conduct experiments on the Capitol Police captured in battle. Would Amestrian Intelligence have known about it? I'm sure it's supposedly classified, but things like that get out... not specifics... just rumours."

"We knew that Xirnium had captured some KC soldiers during the invasion... We were aware that they were studying them, most likely conducting experiments..."

Those are some pretty serious breaches. Needless to say that when it was discovered that some people on the base had loose lips everything of value was packed up and shipped back to Holy Xirnium.

Xirnium, I see you have read the "Going Home, Going to War" thread...

Xirnium, I see you have read the "Going Home, Going to War" thread...

I have, well parts of it anyway. It is extremely long.

And confusing in some places.

And confusing in some places.

What parts do you consider confusing?

I have, well parts of it anyway. It is extremely long.

It is so far my favorite RP.

Kahanistan, TG!

SEA: Got the TG, don't really feel like posting more on the Draftroom, I already have an NSWiki page devoted to my ship.

Xirnium, Novacom: If you're having trouble understanding the RP thread, I might post something on each of the main characters from the Going Home... thread. (Corrections welcome, I'm sure I got some of the info on the other characters wrong.)

1. Sion Davenport
Age: 28
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 172
Hair: Light brown
Eyes: Blue-gray
Nationality: Velkyan
Personality traits: Witty, sarcastic, friendly.
Background: Pilot in the Velkyan Air Force. Stranded with his comrades near Amestria and interrogated by their intelligence service. Currently aboard the V.S.S. Eagle's Claw preparing for an attack on Kraven.

2. Nadia Sklenova
Age: 31
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 115
Hair: Blonde
Eyes: Gray
Nationality: Kahanistanian
Personality traits: Very passionate, somewhat withdrawn, given to rapid changes in emotion, strict about rules, especially as they apply to warfare. Carries an almost pathological hatred of Kraven.
Background: Commander of a fighter wing in the Kahanistan Republic Guard. After being wounded in Xirnium, was reassigned to St. Fedski to combat terrorist movements and when St. Fedski unveiled a new weapon, she was sent as an observer, where she met and became friends with the Amestrian then-Deputy Vice Minister of Defense (now Vice-Minister of Defense) Sara Liscel.

3. Sara Liscel
Age: 30-35 ("early 30's")
Height: Uncertain, > 5'5"
Weight: Unknown (classified? :) ), < 200
Hair: Dirty blonde
Eyes: ?
Nationality: Amestrian
Personality traits: Hedonistic, somewhat corrupt, believes that "life is short" and in making the most of the time one has.
Background: The younger daughter of the former (Communist?) dictator Charles Frederick Liscel. Her family connections impeded her political career, but she is now beginning to advance. Aided in the cover-up of Amestrian atrocities in Torontia.

Well Kahanistan, it has all the so-called 'world-leading' designers on that board, from all military branches, and they could give some useful criticism.

3. Sara Liscel
Age: 30-31
Height: 5'6"
Weight: Voluptuous, 154
Hair: Dirty blonde
Eyes: Green Eyes
Nationality: Amestrian
Personality traits: Hedonistic, cultured, intellectual, somewhat corrupt and manipulative. Believes that "life is short" and in making the most of the time one has.
Background: The younger daughter of the former Centralist (an Amestrian political party) dictator Charles Frederick Liscel (who held power for twenty years). Her family connections impeded her civil service career, but she is now beginning to advance. Aided in the cover-up of Amestrian atrocities in Torontia.

Besides, the MiG's are cheaper (~30 million USD tops, and some sell for ~10 million, so for, say, a cash outlay of six billion (a tiny fraction of my defense budget, but I just invested in a nuclear deterrent that would make Praetor shit himself), I could buy either 200 - 600 MiG's or 50 Lu-45's.) I doubt an Lu-45 could survive being attacked by four MiG's.



I was asked by Southeastasia to respond to this, so I will.

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An Lu-45, carrying beyond visual range armament [AAM.176 and foreign equivalents] will be able to engage any MiG from a greater range [by greater, I mean 200 kilometers greater], since no MiGs carry advance enough radar to engage a threat at what could be considered 100kms or more. In fact, the Lu-45 can engage with missiles that are more manueverable than their threat itself, then turn around and leave unscathed - all the MiGs might not be destroyed, but they would have found themselves with perhaps 1/5 of the original number. On a 1:6 basis a Lu-45 can fire all of its armament, which can be twelve AAM.176 missiles from a range of two hundred kilometers, and then turn around, and realistically expect for none of those MiGs to survive. A MiG is really not the aircraft to choose; if he claims that he has upgraded it, it no longer becomes a thirty million dollar aircraft, it becomes a sixty to seventy million dollar aircraft, and it's still inferior to the Hawk and equivalents.
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I would understand something like the Su-37, or even Su-47, but IMHO, the MiG is just too outdated. It's like saying, "I could equip my army with four times the amount of T-72s, and I could possibly wing". The Soviets tried to do the same thing during the Second World War, and look how that turned out. In fact, the only tanks that could stand up to German armour was the Kv series [which stopped entire advances sometimes, by itself], and the T-34 [which weren't in sufficient enough number, or didn't the crew didn't have the necessary training and leadership].

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29#Combat_service

"Many pundits such as the Federation of American Scientists recognize that in an individual match-up, the MiG-29 is potentially equal to, or better than the F-15 Eagle or F-16 Falcon."

And now, I'm using the more advanced MiG-35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-35) (basically a souped-up MiG-29.) And, with the war with Doomingsland / MassPwnage going badly, I even decided to import some NS-grade VTOL's because my runways got bombed. As soon as Otagia confirms the orders, I'll have enough NBC gear, VTOL's, and arms to possibly even go on the offensive.

BTW: RL gear != shit. AMF uses B-52's, as I've said millions of times, and nobody who took a Freekish Air Force strike would be shrugging that off anytime soon.

I was merely suggesting that the Lu-45 would be a nice NS grade aircraft to use. And yes, I know that AMF uses B-52 Stratofortresses....in fact, at least 80% of his military is RL stuff and domestically produced. AMF has said that it isn't neccessarily technology that wins battles in NS, it's the player's writing capabilities. And he's right: he seems to be able to take any weapon from any tech era and turn it into an invincible killing machine.

BTW: Did you read what I posted on the NS Draftroom about the proposed design for a new precision guided long-range stealth missile? Know any good designers who do missiles? I'm hoping that these missiles won't get me accused of g****ding.

Even though it's smaller and weaker than, say, a Tomahawk, I put the cost higher because of the stealth / precision / long range capabilities.

They (the designers that master at aerial stuff) will make a comment eventually. Clan Smoke Jaguar and Omz222 will probably give some helpful suggestions.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29#Combat_service

"Many pundits such as the Federation of American Scientists recognize that in an individual match-up, the MiG-29 is potentially equal to, or better than the F-15 Eagle or F-16 Falcon."


The F-15 is not really an up to date aircraft; it was defeated by the Su-37 in testing over India. You really can't compare the F-15 or F-16 to a F-18 or a F-22, the latter being the best of the series. You can kinda compare the F-22 with the Lu-45, or even the Das-2. So, the quote, in other words, doesn't really apply to the argument.


And now, I'm using the more advanced MiG-35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-35) (basically a souped-up MiG-29.) And, with the war with Doomingsland / MassPwnage going badly, I even decided to import some NS-grade VTOL's because my runways got bombed. As soon as Otagia confirms the orders, I'll have enough NBC gear, VTOL's, and arms to possibly even go on the offensive.


So why even mention the MiG-29 quote? VTOLs are great, but they also normally have lighter armaments, because of the fact that they have to take off vertically; if you're really looking into aircraft that require less runway, I would suggest short take-off and landing.


BTW: RL gear != shit. AMF uses B-52's, as I've said millions of times, and nobody who took a Freekish Air Force strike would be shrugging that off anytime soon.

AMF is also a very good role player who tends to fight nations that are less adept at prose than he is, making weapon technology rather irrelevent. But AMF has also recently designed his very own advance aircraft, new missiles, et cetera; he's slowly turning away from RL designs. The reason his airforce isn't 'shrugged off' is because he knows how to write - and write is the most important weapon of any NS war.

But combine writing capability and technological superiority....

I thank you Amestria for you creating such a situation that would result in a leak about the Abnormal Psychology thread, I have found it most useful in a little scheme of mine.

Kahanistan, which part of the military do you specialize in?

Ground forces. Before the current war, I had a numerically large but tactically inferior navy and a so-so air force, but I have loads of well-armed heavy infantry and lots of good tanks.

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N00b. Luckily I am more tolerant of n00bs than most, if it had been anyone else's OOC thread, you would have likely been reported to Moderation.

In the future, if you merely want to ramp your post count, you have access to the Spam forum. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=29) Use it.

Also, you might want to read the stickies in the International Incidents forum, but do not post such spam on them... the Mods are not as tolerant as I am.

Do you plan on NSifying your military? Because there's no way RL air supremacy fighter jets can stand up to Soviet Bloc's NS insanely surplus-to-standard (as in to say, damn well designed) air superiority fighters. Or do you plan on doing what AMF does? Have such insane literitaure skills that technology doesn't matter no more?

Well, I am working on indigenous missile designs and of course the Super-Dreadnaught, but the recent war has delayed the debut of my SD.

As for NSifying my military, I'll probably get rid of the MiG's and switch to F-22's and JSF's, as well as some imported NS-grade VTOL's, so my forces will be using a mix of RL and NS gear.

That's assuming I don't lose my sovereignty, which will happen if I lose to MassPwnage, which is looking more and more likely. If that happens, I suppose the various resistance factions in Kahanistan will be importing more NS-grade small arms in addition to the numerous AK's, M-16's and TAR-21's that float around in Kahanistan.

As for my writing skills, you're talking to someone who's spoken English for almost 24 years and gets mostly B's and C's in English class. There's only so far I can jack up my tech before it becomes PMT or Wank.

That's assuming I don't lose my sovereignty, which will happen if I lose to MassPwnage, which is looking more and more likely.
If the war is going that badly, perhaps the Supreme Soviet should offer to accept surrender terms that do not result in an occupation of sovereign Kahanistanian territory?

On writing: Same here....English is also my mother tongue.

Why not buy domestic production rights? Saves the trouble of constantly going to storefronts when you can buy the rights to make foreign arms within your nation for your army....unless you don't like to do all the extra calculation from domestically making your stuff. Oh, and on JSFs, Macabees has the Lu-25 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9056559&postcount=244): basically a souped up F-35 that has more firepower, endurance and speed.

Isn't Macabees allied with AMF? That might put a damper on trade relations with them...

As for surrender, it's quite simply not an option. Kahanistan suffered a severe blow to its military reputation when it thoroughly got the shit kicked out of it by AMF, and before that by Kraven and its allies, and the Ottoman Alliance before that. If it surrenders, it'll have no international respect left. It'll have to fight.

Production rights are fine when the nation offers them, but not all do. I think in some cases if you buy an ungodly huge quantity you get production rights, but it depends on the seller's policy.

Isn't Macabees allied with AMF? That might put a damper on trade relations with them...

Hehe, no, I supported Hogsweat in Hellfire, and even Kriegzimmer defied AMF in this Kraven War; although that was because a Velkyan missile hit my aircraft. We're neutral.

OK, glad that's cleared up, I'll take a look around Kriegzimmer, but importing will be hard because of the war...

But the trouble with Kriegzimmer is that they sell anything to anyone: even the Golden Throne's enemies. And why? Because of their economic doctrine (Absolute Capitalism, see The Macabees' sig for details).

Care to define how selling to anyone is a problem, sounds like a normal company to me.

Bring that question to Macabees' great big OOC thread on Kriegzimmer's selling policies Novacom.

No I am asking how you define that as a problem, not as how anyone else would.

Let me put it this way: would you Novacom, sell high quality weapons to anyone, including your country's enemies? That's the trouble with Absolute Capitalism....

Actually Novacom Manufacturing isn't allowed to sel much outside of the homeisles, at least in terms of anything military.

Then it does not apply to you Novacom.

Oh and Kahanistan, Doomingsland and the Second Empire of the Golden Throne are allied nations, so if you know this ICly, you may not want to buy from Kriegzimmer (though it sells to anyone anything), perhaps you want to talk to Praetonia's ally's company to NSify your weapons (Isselmere).

It would be interesting to know if there's an NS MiG Company, I really couldn't imagine Kahanistan without Soviet style weaponry.

I don't buy equipment from anyone else anyway, I'm quite happy with Hijir Tokons and my other designs, though I think I have decided on my Hijir's successor...

You can get MiG-29's from Roman Republic and DMG, and DMG also has MiG-31's. MiG-35's are more recent and I haven't found anyone that sells them, so I've had to produce domestically.

I might actually have less and less Soviet-style weapons as time goes on, once this war ends I'll try to phase out the MiG's in favor of F-22 Raptors and other, superior fighters. I already use a lot of Israeli stuff on the ground (Merkava tanks, TAR-21 assault rifles) in addition to the US and Soviet small arms found in my arsenal (RPG-7's, M-16's, AK-74's, etc.)

Thanks for tipping me off about Kriegzimmer, I can't imagine my leadership NOT knowing ICly about Absolute Capitalism and the alliance between Doom and Mac.

I was actually referring to the MiG Company, Migoyev Goyvegen or something like that, and there is a fair deal of arguing over whether the MiG-35 is better than the F-22, at the moment it's a 3 way tie between those 2 and the Eurofighter.

Mekugian aircraft are an artistic blend between Soviet and Western aircraft, if you're interested.

I might actually have less and less Soviet-style weapons as time goes on, once this war ends I'll try to phase out the MiG's in favor of F-22 Raptors and other, superior fighters.
If you want Kahanistan to have, as SEA likes to call it "NS-grade" weaponry, why not have, for example, the Kahanistan regional office of MiG Company produce a fighter that you can make indigenously (call it the MiG-[insert arbitrarily random number here]). You can design it so that it matches or exceeds the abilities of your enemies.

Your nation is certainly large and capable enough to be able to do something like that.

Xirnium: Don't blame me, blame Hal, he had a huge influence in my NS military. :p

Kahanistan: Agh, can't believe I forgot to link to you replacements for Kriegzimmer. Here's the link to Isselmere's airplane company (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380088) (check out his DAS-6) and Omz222's nationalized weapons company (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=278248). (See Omz222's F-120A "Darkhawk") Good NS planes for you from democratic megapowers!

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Argh, can't believe Mac didn't link to you a sample of Mekugi's work. Meet the F-33 Raven! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458071)

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I think I've found my new frontline fighter.

Don't you use Tyrandis' TSF-620 as your frontline fighter, Velkya?

*bumps up thread so that he can read the alternative NSified unit arms companies*

Don't you use Tyrandis' TSF-620 as your frontline fighter, Velkya?

Actually, I use the ISF-4 Xeon as the Air Force's frontline air superiority fighter. I use the ISF-2H as my naval fighter, the ISF-6 as the naval interceptor, and the ISF-2B as my Air Force's interceptor. I'm trying to add a bit of variety in my forces.

Kahanistan, TG for you.

TG again, Kahanistan.

Read.

Kahanistan concerning our mini-war thread. Please go ahead and post again about your special forces movements and such. There is no need for me to post any kind of 'defense' until you make your move.

Thanks.

Kahanistan, can we wait a little more for more arms candidates?

OK... what other candidates did you have in mind?

Just one more: Isselmere. He has yet to make a presence himself at the conference, and has a few nice tools of his own that he'll show himself, giving me a break from storefront-advertisement.

Well, there's only so long I'm willing to wait. The thread is completely open, he can post whenever his schedule allows... I suppose I could TG him if he's generally active and hasn't been posting...

He said he'd post latest by Monday (note: I'm on GMT + 8.00 time).

I'm on GMT - 5.00, so 13 hours behind you. I don't know what time zome he's in. But I'll wait until Tuesday to begin wrapping up and switching the topic to tactics.

Kahanistan, TG.

Read and replied.

Responded, Kahanistan.

TG, Kahanistan.

TG, Kahanistan.

Read, replied, hope it answered your questions.

Yes, certainly. Thank you very much.

Xirnium, TG.

Kahanistan, TG.

Kahanistan, TG response, please.

SEA: Replied.

Excellent. Let's keep the conversation going.

Kahanistan, TG response, please.

Could I and my friend (Aust) join? We were planning to be involed and I was involved in Imperial Fist but since it has been retconned...I was wondering if we could join here?

If you're asking about the military reforms thread, it's 100% open still, so sure. I can always use more input.

I think he means the Kraven invasion of your country.

I think he means the Kraven invasion of your country.
Thanks, Southeastasia, I should have been more specific, yes I do mean the Kravente invasion.

The thread creator put "Closed" in the title, so I wouldn't try to bust in.

Kahanistan, TG response, please.
Kahanistan, yet another TG for you.

ok. I'll see what Kraven says though. I wa shoping to might him in Imperial Fist but Pythogria retconned it.

Kahanistan, TG.

Replied.

Replied. Let's keep the talk going.

TG again, Kahanistan.

I'm curious - how much have the various wars you've fought affected the appearance of your nation's cities? In other words, are they all now heavily fortified? Do bullet holes still show? That sort of thing...
I'm asking because I want to add a bit of atmosphere to the arrival of my commandos, and out of curiosity.

Just to put in my two cents, a lot of stuff would be new and built quickly on the cheap. There would be construction equipment everywere and many structures would have a half finished quality to them, lacking paint for instance. Dust would be everywere (given the battles, construction, and the fact the place is in the middle of a desert). Given the need to put stuff back up quickly there would also be a certain uniformity (think Soviet or Soviet dominated Eastern Europe architecture).

Well, civilian infrastructure (buildings, for example) tends to be very tall, and made of very strong substances (reinforced concrete, tungsten carbide, etc.) because not all enemies follow the rules of war (in fact, with the exception of the Ottoman Alliance, NOT ONE of my enemies has cared about civilian casualties.) The roads look pretty normal, but they're very wide because of the traffic volume. (Kahanistan's a little over 30,000 square kilometers, about the size of Belgium. [Or if you're from the U.S.A, about the size of the state of Maryland.] It has about 2 billion people now. That makes for a LOT of traffic.)

Most citizens live in apartment buildings well over 100 stories, think an Empire State Building at every city block and you get the idea. Amestria's fairly accurate in envisioning it, mainly because we've been RP'ing a lot together. :)

Given the instability, frequent destructive wars and mass death which have occurred in Kahanistan, I can only imagine that the general standard of mental health in the nation (in addition to the incidence of mental illnesses within the population) would be rather alarming. Fear, despair and pessimism would likely be common problematic Kahanistanian psychological traits. One would assume an almost overburdened psychiatric nursing system from those unable to cope with the nearly constant, excessively high tension generated by a nation either at war or expecting to very soon be at war (not to mention depression resulting from having loved ones killed), and I imagine that suicide cases would be very high.

What’s less clear is how having a society with an alarmingly high percentage of people suffering clinical depression, other, anxiety-related, psychological problems and just a general feeling of helplessness would affect Kahanistanian culture and the economy, though.

It would be interesting to know how the Kahanistanian government has attempted to tackle the problem of public mental health.

Xirnium, you just summed up one of the very good reasons I don't get involved in wars very often: the healthcare industry. Think of the poor psychiatrists and the economy!

Xirnium, you just summed up one of the very good reasons I don't get involved in wars very often: the healthcare industry. Think of the poor psychiatrists and the economy!
And the butcher’s bill, which is something that Xirnium, at least, is not prepared to pay (except, of course, in cases where the Eternal Republic's own intrests are at stake). The High Ecclesiarchy cannot stomach war, it's uncivilised and crude - politics offer a much more effective alternative.

Sorry, Kahanistan, for taking your thread off-topic.

Ah yes. The butcher's bill. In Southeast Asia, where it has a generally peaceable and pacifistic populace, war is not viewed highly upon (with the exception of the ultra-nationalists who are in the minority) - in fact, it is loathed and detested. But however, in Southeast Asia, if they have to fight and all oppurtunities for peace have been extinguished, they aren't afraid to kill others in order to protect the country.

Xirnium: Don't worry about it, I don't mind the level of healthy discussion in my thread that characterized your OOC thread.

As for the psychological problems in Kahanistan, the defense spending has been cut from 36% (preceding the CAD conflict) to 22% of the budget, and much of the spending has been rerouted to health care (which is now tied with social equality for third place.)

Even with that, many Kahanistanians use drugs and alcohol to dull the pain. (Luckily, the Flying Restaurant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-25#Description) is considered obsolete and no longer in service in the Republic Guard. :) ) Drugs are legal and therefore not "cut," or tainted by unscrupulous dealers looking to inflate the volume of their product, nor sold at inflated prices by shady characters in back alleys.

Kahanistan, do you want to role-play the entire discussion about the RSIN satellite plant, then the construction, then the grand opening, etc?

Whichever gets me a satellite plant faster, I don't think Isselmere has a lot of time on his / her hands. A few posts involving UKIN ships coming to construct a port, and maybe a KMI facility and / or naval base in the UKIN, should suffice.

Isselmere said in a TG to me that he'd agreed to establish a satellite plant. And I personally think that it would be better if you two were to role-play it out, despite the lack of time on Isselmere's hands.

Why? Makes it a lot more realistic.

BTW, the MiG-25's primary purpose is to eliminate enemy bombers (at high altitudes and reconaissance), and since the Republic Guard has retired it, is it looking for a good successor?

Sure, as long as he starts the thread. (If I do, it'll sit at the bottom for days without a response.)

Kahanistan currently uses the MiG-31 as its primary interceptor. It'll do now.

Kahanistan, in speaking of the shipyard, and should the plans, construction and all that you-know-what get role-played out, would you mind using fluid time? It actually DOESN'T hurt your head once you get used to it.

After all, I severely doubt that the Isselmere-Nielanders would want to build facilities in a nation which has had the tar beaten out of it so many times over and it would give them the impression that the DSRK is not a socially safe environment....

Kahanistan, check your TG's.

Alright, I was planing on dropping in on your open, post invasion thread...

However your wiki and the regional Haven map have nothing in common. My reasons for action are based on the Haven map but since that is no where near the geography of the NSwiki map I am a bit lost....:confused:

My nation was originally in the Negev Desert. I only relocated to Haven after being occupied by Doomingsland. That's why there's little resemblance with Haven.

Do you still want to enter the occupied territories in the Middle East? That's where the insurgency is going on.

The only reason I have for involving myself has to do with your Haven location.

(Although I suppose I could be negotiated into sending supplies to the insurgents as part of a Haven deal)

So your homeless (and jobless) masses are in Haven correct?

Well, any aid to either is welcome, yes, the refugees are in Haven, about 600 million of them.