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To whomever it may concern:

The Commonwealth of Saint Fedski issues an open contract to any nation, munitions company or corporation that can design build an aircraft to our specific specifications.

Due to a lack of interest and commitment in the upgrading of our carrier-borne F-5 Tiger IIIs (upgraded IIs) to F-5 Tiger IVs, the Security Council has opted to replace all fighter aircraft with brand new ones. The original offer still stands if it can be reached. The original idea proposed was to take all 635 active F-5 Tiger IIIs, remove the weaponry and the powerplant and replace it with new, improved equipment. The equipment requested was as follows:

A powerplant capable of a high cruising speed, an even higher max speed that can be maintained for 30-35 minutes. The powerplant should also be able to keep the aircraft flying just slow enough to keep it in the air. Long range and a high cruising speed are essential.

The new weapon systems would consist of nine new racks/brackets for missiles and bombs. The racks must be adaptable so as to fit either nine bombs, or nine missiles, or a combination.

Two 30mm cannons (capable of lighting up light-medium armour) are to be mounted in the nose of the aircraft. If possible, two more are to be mounted elsewhere.

The primary role of this aircraft will remain an interceptor/air superiority fighter. With these upgrades a new role will be added: attack fighter. The upgrades shall enable the Tiger IIIF to launch attacks, in a very limited role, against enemy ground formations and ships.

No computer or digital systems are required as the vast majority of the systems have been contracted out.

The estimated cost for the new powerplant and the new weapon brackets/mounts is around $6 million per aircraft. This price is flexible depending on the specifications and the package offered.

However, the new carrier-borne aircraft has higher requirements. They are as follows.

Minimum cruising speed of Mach 1.9
Minimum Max speed of Mach 2.5 (for at least 20 minutes)
Minimum combat range of 800km
Minumum ferry range of 2,100km
Room for only 1 crew member.

Standard armament for interceptor modification: At least two 30mm armour piercing cannons (wing mounted or nose mounted), six air-to-air missiles.

Standard armament for attack modification: At least two 30mm armour piercing cannons (wing mounted or nose mounted), two air-to-air missiles, four air-to-surface missiles and four precision guided bombs.

All aircraft shall be capable of both modifications. Modifications must be able to be made while the aircraft is on the deck or below the deck, by regular naval mechanics, under combat conditions.

Requested max price per unit: $100 million. If the Commonwealth feels that the specifications could be exceeded or the price lowered, the proposing company will be notified. This contract is open until the contract is publicly signed with one or more of the applying parties. As a bonus incentive, this contracting company will recieve an immediate order for a minimum of 200 aircraft. Also, the contracting company will recieve the next two contracts for the aircraft modernization programmes both air force and navy.

Any takers are requested to reply whenever possible.

Your's truly,
Admiral Ken Murphy, Commander in Chief Armed Forces, Commonwealth of Saint Fedski

(ooc: if there are any questions feel free to TG me.)

Check your telegrams :)

Also your specifications are impossible to meet for a fighter:

1) You probably would only be able to fit only 8 Medium Air-to-Air missile at maximum. You can then adapt. Any larger is impossible if you wish to meet the other requirements.
2) You can't mount 4 30mms. Its impossible. You could at the most mount 1x 30mm Autocannon.
3) Crusing speed is too high. You would only get a cruising speed of Mach 1.5-8. Maximum speed is fine.

Changes to be made:

Cruise speed Mach 1.9
Max Speed Mach 2.5
Max Interceptor Armament: six missiles.
Preferably Two 30mm cannons. Either nose mounted or wing mounted.

Thank you for the input. Wait a minute...did I just half design my own aircraft?

Changes to be made:

Cruise speed Mach 1.9
Max Speed Mach 2.5
Max Interceptor Armament: six missiles.
Preferably Two 30mm cannons. Either nose mounted or wing mounted.

Thank you for the input. Wait a minute...did I just half design my own aircraft?

You won't be able to stick two 30mms cannons. Only one.

Well it does say preferably after all. If 2 30's can't fit, what about 2 of a smaller size of just one of a larger size? I suppose before I make many more changes, I should wait some more input from some other....dealers as well although I'm quite conficent you are correct SU.

You won't be able to stick two 30mms cannons. Only one.

Rubbish, there are a fair numbe rof aircraft with more than 1 30mm system:
Jaguar(2), Lightning (2although later repalced with missiles), hunter (4), Sea harrier (2).

it all depends on what you mean by a 30mm cannon, if its a single barrel revolver gun for 30x113NATO or 30x165WP then more than one is perfectly possible as they can be of a similar weight to a BK-27 (of which the Tornado does and the Hawk 200 can mount 2).

personally i woudl advocate a 25 or 27mm solution but thats just me.

So in summary, Saint Fedski what 30mm ammo do you use? (hopes desperately that GAU-8 or 30x173mm is not mentioned as if they are SU is right).

Actually my OLD regular II nation (crookfur) might well have soemthing for you.

Rubbish, there are a fair numbe rof aircraft with more than 1 30mm system:
Jaguar(2), Lightning (2although later repalced with missiles), hunter (4), Sea harrier (2).

it all depends on what you mean by a 30mm cannon, if its a single barrel revolver gun for 30x113NATO or 30x165WP then more than one is perfectly possible as they can be of a similar weight to a BK-27 (of which the Tornado does and the Hawk 200 can mount 2).

personally i woudl advocate a 25 or 27mm solution but thats just me.

So in summary, Saint Fedski what 30mm ammo do you use? .
ummm not a clue. I don't know much about the technical aspects of this stuff. I tried searching google for those but to no avail. Then I tried FAS, but couldn't find them there either. Would you be able to explain what the differences and aspects are?

ummm not a clue. I don't know much about the technical aspects of this stuff. I tried searching google for those but to no avail. Then I tried FAS, but couldn't find them there either. Would you be able to explain what the differences and aspects are?

Ah crap the forums logged me out and ate my post that explained it all very nciely... and yes this is Strathdonia's other nation.

Anyway the short version.
30x113mm= slow but biggish round old fashioned but good for light guns in the air to ground role, probabaly best used by helicopters.
30x173mm= big fast uber powerful round used by the GAU-8 of the A-10 porbabaly far too powerful and heavy for general aircraft usage.
30x150 French and 30x165soviet= both are pretty much similar, french has faster lighter roudns and soviet has slower heavier rounds.

My choice would eb the french ammo but if you were willign to move away from 30mm then the 27x145mm ammo of the BK-27 offers mroe or less identical performance.

2 guns are perfectly feasible, if you use the old fashioned soviet single barrel mechanism you woudl trade about30% of the rate of fire for a 60% weight saving compared to more mdoern revolver gun. Even 2 of such guns woudl weight less than half of a gatling gun.

I also offered my new(ish) CFN-5F Sea Dragon carrier borne Stealthy fighter
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/Seadragon.jpg
base stats:
Max speed: mach 2.5
Max Criuse: mach1.9-2.1
Comabt range: 2000km
Ferry rnage: 2800km
Weapons:
Guns: 1 gun mount above each wing root/shoulder, designed for CFAR G34 25mm or G47 30mm CTA guns can be adapted for msot reasonable sized 25-30mm single barrel guns
Internal weapons:
Main bay: 6 medium AAMs, 6 500lb bombs, 3 1000lb bombs, 2 Stand off ASMs or 2 large AAMs
Side bays: 3 small AAMs, 2 medium AAMs, 2 500lb class bombs or 1 1000lb class bomb.
External weapons: 4 underwing hard points(2 each wing) each rated to 3000lbs.
max payload: 7000lbs

many many more details on avionics and sensors to come. Does not need reconfiguation between missions of different roles, just load on the weapons and its good to go.

Available to you for a special price of $99.99million each.

The Seadragon is nice for an Air Force, but for a Navy, probably a little big. The F-5 was perfect because it was quite small, but still quick. Hence the original reason for the upgrade. If possible, I'd prefer something quite like it while fitting my specifications...maybe if a larger wingspan is needed...folding wings? Just a thought.

We at MierTech wish to offer the following aircraft. If it doesn't meet your specifications, then please check out a wider range at our storefront (link in sig):

MTA-F03 Sparrow Fighter
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/yf-23-desert.jpg
A small, cheap fighter that is easily maintained since it doesn't include many of the high-tech systems that other MierTech aircraft have. This means a low turnaround time, plus the fact that is easy and cheap to make, means that ineveitably you will have more of these than usual. The Sparrow also doesn't have a VTOL system, further decreasing the cost.

Designed by: Phoenixius
Function: Fighter
Crew: 1
Length: 16m
Wing span: 11m
Height: 4m
Empty weight: 18,000kg
Payload: 7,000kg
Ceiling: 20,000m
Thrust: 35,000lbs
Max Speed: Mach 2.2
Supercruise: Mach 1.7
Range: 1,500km
Weapons:
1x MTG-01 - 800 rds
6x MTM-01
Systems:
APS
PHBVS G-III
PDCS G-II

Cost: $11mil

The Commonwealth of Saint Fedski has sixty Tiger IIs aboard the three Charles de Gualle class aircraft carriers in the Home Defence Fleet (training mostly). These were not scheduled to be replaced until well after the main task forces but your Sparrow has caused the Navy Command to become a little hot down below. An order for 100 of the MTA-F03 Sparrow Fighters will be placed.

As to the main concern of the Department of Defence, how easily can North Saint Clair's systems be implemented for use on the Sparrow? If not easily, would MierTech be able to add advanced systems to the Sparrow?

Thank you for your response,
Admiral Ken Murphy, Commander in Chief Armed Forces, Commonwealth of Saint Fedski

The Seadragon is nice for an Air Force, but for a Navy, probably a little big. The F-5 was perfect because it was quite small, but still quick. Hence the original reason for the upgrade. If possible, I'd prefer something quite like it while fitting my specifications...maybe if a larger wingspan is needed...folding wings? Just a thought.

Well Fluff wise the Sea Dragon is a purely naval fighter so it does have folding wings etc but probabaly still requires quite large carriers so i can understand your concerns, are you still interested in upgrading your tigers? if so do they still use the J85 engines? As froma a quick glance at dimensions etc you coudl probabaly fit a pair of Adour Mk106s which would give a 1.6times increase in power out put, the only possible issue would be the fact that the Adours weight about 3 times as much. Of course i'm working on a basis of keeping twin engines which would be sensible for naval aviation.

If you can upgrade the F-5s...go for it...it will be much cheaper than buying a brand new aircraft. I'd rather spend the money on new vessels. I seriously lack submarines and modern escorts.

[[SAe] Notice of Sheboygan Aerospace [SAe]]

We currently have two fight and attack aircraft that are in development. Both are able to have 2x 25MM cannons, which could likely be replaced by a 30MM or two. The AF-1.E Fighter Aircraft is a air-superiority craft, but has a strong ability to provide ground support in GS mode. The AF-2.E is a geneal purpose strike and attack craft. Both could easily be modified to your specifications as well as we could fit electronics, weapons, engines and other systems to your nation's standards. If you request information, we can deliver the prototype designs of the aircraft.

[General Comissioner, Johan Gangerfield]

[[SAe] Notice of Sheboygan Aerospace [SAe]]

We currently have two fight and attack aircraft that are in development. Both are able to have 2x 25MM cannons, which could likely be replaced by a 30MM or two. The AF-1.E Fighter Aircraft is a air-superiority craft, but has a strong ability to provide ground support in GS mode. The AF-2.E is a geneal purpose strike and attack craft. Both could easily be modified to your specifications as well as we could fit electronics, weapons, engines and other systems to your nation's standards. If you request information, we can deliver the prototype designs of the aircraft.

[General Comissioner, Johan Gangerfield]
To: Johan Gangerfield
From: Admiral Ken Murphy
Re: AF-1

We most certainly would be interested in viewing the specs and prices for the aircraft. We thank you for the offer.

[[SAe] Notice of Sheboygan Aerospace [SAe]]

The current specifications for the AF-1 are rough, but we can have them refined by the date you need them.


Sheboygan Aeronautics: AF-1 Air Superiority Fighter "Viper"

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s37/images/img3.jpg
Drawing of the AF-1M1, currently being adopted as the AF-1 air -superiority fighter.

General:

The Sheboygan Aeronautics’ AF-1 "Viper" Air Superiority Fighter is designed to clear the skies of all enemy planes, fighters included. Co-researched by Kenjei Naval to help with the Naval and Marine versions, really added to the expertise of the aircraft's design team. The Viper can be used as a ground attack plane, fighter plane, and a naval fighter plane, even though the fighter has many variations, it is still one of the best fighters in our arsenal. Current variations include a two-seated trainer, an attack plane, a naval plane and an air superiority fighter. The airframe is constructed to be extremely aerodynamic, but the only drawback is that it is highly unstable, so unstable that even computers have trouble keeping the plane in line, therefore the AF-1 has frontal canards, to help the plane to be able to fly properly, it also increases the maneuverability extremely.

Design:

The AF-1 came about from the Afrikaphiter Program, founded by the Afrikaan Government for a domestic air superiority fighter craft. The airframe is a smooth frame with room for canards, two ITV engines, and various weapons. The craft can carry up to one missile on each wing tip, to maximize the amount of missiles carried. The craft also has an internal bay, and external [optional mounts] mounts. The internal bay is added for stealth attack missions, and the external mounts are used in non-stealthy missions, such as air defence, and close support. There are no tail elevators. And the wing is in the delta shape, with an indent in the back at one point. The entire airplane is structured with a Radar Absorbant Material [RAM] and along with heat signature elimnators. This allows the plane a quite of stealth when using all internal weapons and removing all external mounts. The new CIR cloaking system allows the plane to literally disappear from visual sights. The skin has a coat of project able materials, which have the reverse image from the other side to let it blend in, it isn't perfect and is rather heavy. However, it can really give the pilot a combat edge if the other pilot can't see him.

Cockpit:

The cockpit, depending on the variation, has one or two seats. The one seat version is the version used for conventional missions, but in order to train the craft can have a second seat for the trainer. The cockpit has a visualization of each essential thing and the two main screens can be switched from one to the other depending on the needs. But the most of the HUD is in the helmet. Put on your helmet and turn it on, and plug in the back-up cable for transfer of essential information, then you can see all you need to know! The HUD uses the helmet screen as the projection screen, and the sensors keep track of all targets for the pilot, if the pilot turns their head, the HUD follows, allows the pilot to target planes behind or to the side of themselves much easier. The HUD Helmet [HUDH] is some of the best technology available for the fighter pilot; of course the traditional HUD can still be installed.

Weapons:

Missiles possible to mount are literally all NATO approved missiles, all Afrikaan Missiles and Israeli missiles, there are even adapters included to change the mounts to non-traditional Soviet-style mounts.

An AIM-9 size missile can be mounted on the wing tip mounts. The AIM-7 size missiles can be mounted on any external mount and/or the two side internal mounts. The Maverick sized missiles can be put on the middle internal mounts, the side external mounts and all other external mounts. There are a total of ten points. Two wing mounts, two-side fuselage mounts, two center wing mounts, and four internal mounts. All mounts accept the wing tip, and external side of fuselage mounts can carry two missiles or bombs [light]. The external side fuselage can only carry bombs and the wing tip only missiles [light].

Counter-Measures:

The aircraft's defensive sub-system (DSS) is accommodated within the aircraft structure and integrated with the avionics system. DSS responds to single or multiple threats. DSS includes an electronic countermeasures, front and rear missile approach warningss, supersonically capable towed decoy systems, laser warning receivers and chaff and flare dispensing system. The avionics system is based on a NATO standard data bus with fibre optic highways.

Sensors:

The craft sensors are equipped with a multiple mode X-band micro pulse Doppler radar. The radar has three different channels for processing. The third channel is used for jammer classification, interference blanking and side lobe nulling. The PIE [Passive Infrared Equipment] is mounted on the port side of the fuselage, forward of the windscreen. PIE operates in both 3-5 and 8-11 micron spectral bands. When used with the radar in an air-to-air role, it functions as an Infrared Searching and Tracking system ([RST], providing passive target detection and tracking. In an air-to-surface role, it performs multiple target acquisition and identification, as well as providing a navigation and landing aid. PIE provides a steer able image to the pilot's helmet-mounted display.

Navigation - Communications:

The CNI communications, navigation and identification system includes an intra-flight data link, joint tactical information distribution system link and an identification system. The system is a very powerful computing system that allows the pilot to manage all possibilities in contact with enemies and allies, to receive all data. The system can try to identify the craft by its radar signature, infrared signature and other things, along with visual confirmation by software. Of course the planes signatures are sent to the database within the planes computers and then tells the pilot the suspected plane type, and the friend or foe status.

Targeting:

The targeting system uses a diamond to track all targeted crafts. All friendly craft are circles and unknowns are squared, the colors also affect this, targets red, unknown yellow, and green are friendly. The pilot touching the plan on the radar screen confirms the targeting system, or when the automatic identification system identifies it as hostile.

Engines:

Powered by two SYE-ITV engines pushing roughly forty-two thousand pounds of thrust each accelerates the plane quickly. The airplane can fly on one engine, if needed, and the computers can control the plane on one engine. The engines are powerful enough to "super-cruise" at about mach one and a half, without the after burners. Another new technology used in the SYE-ITV engine is that they have independent thrust vectoring technology which allows the engine to move freely to co-operate with the turn, allowing the plane to do turns and climbs and dives quicker than most other fighters out there. The ITV system allows the engine to "vector" its thrust in any way in a 3D matrix, such as up, down, left, right, or even a combination of them.

Avionics Systems:

The plane is flown entirely by fly-by-wire programs and allows the plane to turn and maneuver properly. The craft is a very unstable airframe and need the AF-1 FBW program to fly. The AF-1 has the computer aid program which assists in tracking ground, and air targets without the pilots input. Even the locking can be done automatically, allows the pilot to choose exactly when he wants to fire. The pilot also can do manual lock-ons with the computer's radar system. The CRS, or computer radar system can track up to twenty different targets at a time. The CRS uses GPS and radar to calculate the range of the target, and the target's speed.

Statistics:

[i]Wing Area: 735FT
Engine Thrust Class: 42,000LB
Total Length: 52FT
Wing Span: 43FT
Total Height: 14FT
Engines: SYE-ITV38K
Weapons:
6 Hard-points[Soviet, NATO, French, and other weapons]
2x 25MM Rotary Cannons
Max. Takeoff Weight: 58,000LB
Max. External Stores: 12,000LB
Weight Empty: 27,500LB
Ceiling: 48,500FT
Crew: 1 pilot
G Limit: + 9G[Airframe]
Production Cost: [Domestic + 2,000,000] 54,000,000 USD
Cost: [Export] 60,000,000 USD

Variations:
AS - Air Support Version
GS - Ground Support Version


[General Comissioner, Johan Gangerfield]

We thank you for your interest in the Naval Air Program. Your specifications will be kept a classified binder until it is time for us to make a decision. If the outcome is favourable, an order will be placed, if the outcome is negative the document will be destroyed, completely. We expect a decision in a few short weeks while other competitors provide us with their details. Once again, thank you for the interest and you can look forward to hearing back from us in due time.

We can offer a modified version of our forthcoming Bearcat, that would eliminate the RIO and offer a single 30mm cannon in the nose. The modified version for your nation would be the BF14J-1 Bearcat.

Specs of the unmodified version:
Crew: 2, Pilot and Radar Intercept Officer
Length: 64 feet, 3 inches
Wingspan: 70 feet
Height: 17 feet
Loaded: 62,000 pounds
Maximum speed: Mach 3.3
Cruising speed: Mach 3.1
Service ceiling: 70,200 feet
Rate of climb: 60,000 feet per minute
Combat Range: 1,400nm
Power: 2x 46,000lb turbofans
Armament:
6 R-33
6 AIM-120D
12 AIM-9X
12 Small Diameter Bomb
Or mix

Cost: $70 million

[[SAe]Notice of Sheboygan Aerospace[SAe]]

Please note, that this is the prototype version of the AF-1.E[Naval], we hope to have the finished AF-1.E[Naval] by next week[RL].

[General Comissioner, Johan Gangerfield]

While the Commonwealth of Saint Fedski appreciates the interest expressed by Civitas Americae, we respectfully decline the offer for the following reason: it is much to large. The Bearcat is over twice the size of our current F-5s. While it seems to be a superb heavy fighter/bomber, our navy is looking more towards a simple, carrier-borne light-medium fighter. We thank you for the interest expressed, but we are sorry we have to decline the offer.

Your's regretfully,
Admiral Ken Murphy, CiC, Armed Forces, Commonwealth of Saint Fedski

[[SAe]Notice of Sheboygan Aerospace[SAe]]

We have completed a batch of 12 AF-1.M2NS Naval Fighters. These are the second generation prototypes, we hope these will help develop into the fighter we wish to sell to you and your navy. The new statistics will be out as soon as you request them.

[Requirements]
Minimum cruising speed of Mach 1.9 - Completed, Mach 1.95
Minimum Max speed of Mach 2.5 - Completed, Mach 2.7
Minimum combat range of 800km - Completed, 805KM
Minumum ferry range of 2,100km - Uncompleted, 2,025KM
Room for only 1 crew member. - Completed, 1 crew member

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su37/images/su-37_2.jpg
Prototype AF-1.M2NS, with dual 30MM cannons.


[General Comissioner, Johan Gangerfield]

We shall send the aircraft to you immediately. We are glad you thought it was an excellent aircraft. The systems onboard are easily changed - they were designed to allow for minimum turnaround if any systems malfunctioned.

Comissioner Gangerfield, would it be possible for members of the Commonwealth Advanced Fighter Pilots School of Art to have a test run of these aircraft? Pending positive feedback, the twelve aircraft will then be purchased and used in combat as soon as possible. If they prove to meet the standards of our pilots, we will purchase more, if they fail to meet the standards, they will be relegated to training/reserve duties. However, before any of this, we should review the specs.

Phoenixius, there will more likely than not, future orders of said aircraft from other members of the Commonwealth. It would be greatly appreciated if you could send a rep of MierTech to a small, yet unannounced conference the Commonwealth will be holding in the near future. We expect a couple delegates from other industries to attend.

[[SAe]Notice of Sheboygan Aerospace[SAe]]

We have produced a further twelve aircraft, these will be given to the Afrikaan Naval Air Force. The earlier twelve will be shipped to your nation on a lease program. These aircraft can be leased for two years without payment, we hope that this will encourage your Navy to purchase these craft.

[General Comissioner, Johan Gangerfield]

In order to make the process smoother, would it be possible to have a team from Sheboygan Aerospace accompany the aircraft? Room and board will be provided by The Commonwealth of Saint Fedski. Transportation will also be provided as well as meals, and a tour of the Commonwealth Air Program. Conflict permitting, the team will have the chance to view the aircraft in combat.

[OOC: Need a conflict huh? lol]

[[SAe]Notice of Sheboygan Aerospace[SAe]]

A team of 12 pilots, 36 engineers, and 24 maintainence experts have been assmebled by Sheboygan Aerospace. We will fly them over to the Commonwealth's Air Headquaters within a day, and we expect to have your crews flying with the planes by [RL] next week.

[General Comissioner, Johan Gangerfield]

Greetings. The Avali-Burton Corporation has read over your requests and decided to place a bid for the contract.

At one time the Imperial McKagan Air Force was forced to field the inferior F22 design. The concept behind the Raptor is that no enemy will see it until it is upon them and able to destroy it with its missiles. However, in modern combat, the Raptor lacks the Stealth abilities to perform with the current generation of fighters fielded by powers around the world.

But IMAF didn't want to completly abolish their use. Thus, they were sting to A-B for evaluation to see if the design was still aplicable to current warfare. Well, we decided it wasn't. BUT, during the research it was decided that a manned fighter, a generation AHEAD of the Raptor, could be easily designed and put to use as a Light Interceptor.

Max speed: mach 2.5
Max Criuse: Mach 2 - 2.5
Combat range: 2090km
Ferry rnage: 2900km
Weapons:
Guns: 2 Mali-HT 27mm Aeronautical Machine Guns
Internal Bay: 8 GY-3 Long Range AAMs, 1700lb storage,
Tactical Bays: (Small, outer): 3 GY-2 Short Range AAMs, 1 500lb bomb -or- extra fuel
External weapons: 4 underwing hard points for either Medium Range AAM's or extra fuel

Another important thing is that the pilots chances of survival in the chance the aircraft is hit is VERY high. We accomplished this by making a great jump in cockpit ejection technology. At least in our own planes, the idea of ejecting the entier cockpit is new. That's what happens with this plane. Inside is room for food (for up to 5 days,) a Personal Defense Weapon (Pistol or P90 type weapon,) flashlight, and small medkit. The cockpit IS seaworthy, and has a small parachute to ensure it survives landing.


That's not all. Because this company has the ability to gather raw materials VERY cheaply, we can offer this for a low 85 million USD! We won't lie to you, this isn't a very cheap aircraft. This again, we have the ability to underprice our units; which shows this is a VERY valuable plane.

This design is NOT named. Thus, if it is chosen by the Saint Fedski Air Forces, that name would be adopted.

In reference to the Requirement for the upgrading of the existing F-5IIIF fleet to a Proposed F-5IVF, Crookfur Areospace have begun detailed planing and initial protyping (using a small number of F-5IIs we picked up years ago) of a proposal to fufil this requirement.

Details of this Requirement are in This Document (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/files/Saint%20Fedski%20Tiger%20Upgrade%20project.doc) (sorry its a bit complicated trying to get the comparision table working outside of word. If you can't open word files i can try a plain text version or convert it to openoffice or pdf if required).

For Full project go ahead Crookfur Areospace would require 5 of your existing inventory of F-5IIIFs as prototypes and test beds to ensure a smooth upgrade path, these aircraft can either be loaned and later returned fully upgraded for a nominal fee or Crookfur Aerospace will purchase all 5. After a proposed 6month protyping peroid followed by a teting and evaluation program lasting 1 year inital full rate upgrades can be carried out at the rate of 150 aircraft per year.

Very well. Send MierTech the location for this conference and we'll send some men to show up.